00:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
On this week's episode of Circles Off. We're talking pick releases from content creators and from pick services. Whether or not people have a right to be upset about that Aaron Rodgers injury how does that impact the NFL? But also how does it impact sports books and what they have to do to house rules going forwards All that and more. This week's episode of Circles Off starts now. Welcome to Circles Off episode number 119, right here on the Hammer Bet network. I'm rob azzola, joined by johnny from betstamp. How goes? 

00:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
been great man. Week one in the books. 

00:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Just nice to be back it is very nice to be back. I see you're rocking the italia gear. It's been, uh, really depressing. Pants too, hey, rob pants as well, which are not seen on the yeah, yeah it's a full track suit and one one draw with north macedonia was a very very rough one for the italianos this week? 

00:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
italia, italia. Yeah, it's a struggle, not the best right now. What about canada and the us? 

00:56 - Zack Phillips (Other)
yeah basketball. 

00:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh man, that was electric bronze medal game. Who's gonna? 

01:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
wait, who won who's? 

01:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
gonna win, canada won no, no, I'm saying that the whole thing, oh, it's over. I watched the finals. Yeah, who won? Uh, germany beat serbia. They, they did it. Yeah, they did it for suma they did it for suma, the germans won it. He was at like some local soccer game. I was messaging him. I'm like you watching this right now. He's like no, what's going on? Who do they even? Have uh, I, they have dennis schroeder yeah, dennis schroeder was just like ripping it up man yeah, he's. 

01:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Uh, I saw like a redraft of that year yeah, it's like one of the most putrid years. Oh yeah, like schroeder was like re, if you redo everything, he was like fifth overall yeah, it was a rough draft it was a rough draft. It was a rough, rough draft I think, janice was like one, yeah, and then everyone else was not good yeah it's been a good week in sports. 

01:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Just having football back, uh, seeing you know knish make a stance on colorado in the off season and then watching them start to a no, that brings a lot of uh, a lot of joy, a lot of joy into my life. Nfl is back. This is episode number 19 and you know we saw the first game of the year. Cadarious tony number 19 drop about 69 balls directed his way over the course of that game that was. 

02:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That was pathetic. That was 19, a big hockey number. Not anymore, not anymore. Not many people were in 19 anymore. They've swapped it over the old 91 around my age group. But prior to that, growing up, yep sakic, yep eiserman, yep jumbo. Joe thordon, yep all incredible jonathan taves too, another canadian center more, more, more recent. 

02:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but 19 is like the canadian centerman number. Yeah, joe sakic man like canada, also a very good front office guy now yeah, it's really is he. 

02:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is he, though is eiserman, a good front office guy that's well, I guess. 

02:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe what? What constitutes being good? Is it relative to your peers? Because it's relative to your peers, right, like I'm sure eiserman makes a lot of mistakes, as does sakic but relative to who else is in the league, I think those are some pretty solid guys there. 

03:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean sakic. Sakic's not bad, but you don't really know what these guys, if they're actually calling the shots or not. 

03:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Another 19. Different sports, but also Canadian, and we do give love to Canadians on this program. Joey Votto, joe Votto, number 19. From around here, yeah. 

03:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Wow, just down the street, jason. Arnar the pride of Wasega Beach Ontario. 

03:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm tired of Wasega Beach, ontario. Yeah, I'm telling you All these Canadian players growing up 19. Larry Robinson. 

03:27 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Brian Trocci, yeah. 

03:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Nick Backstrom In the NFL right now. He got one of the most. 

03:31 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Doesn't. 

03:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Matthew Kachuk wear 19 right now. 

03:34 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I'm not sure, I think he does. 

03:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So we got also in the NFL one of the top players. However, I don't know if he's that good anymore for fantasy, but Debo Samuel very talented. 

03:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The hamstrings are a real problem for Debo. I hope he stays healthy because I'd like to see him at his full potential. But between Debo, Samuel and Darren Waller those guys have hamstrings of people who've ran marathons for the last 198 years. Yeah, there you go. 

04:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's just really rough for those guys, speaking of people who have been around for a while. 

04:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
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04:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
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05:07
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05:57
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06:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Totally agree with everything Johnny said. And one more thing people often say why would I want to bet with a sharp sports book? I was telling Johnny off air I'm not going to mention what sports book, but I actually lost a bunch of money at one sports book this week, went to place a bet yesterday and I'm limited at that book despite having lost a substantial amount of money Overtime. So you're down overall, down overall, and now I have $8 limits. Pinnacle's not gonna limit you. 

06:49
And on top of that, for those who tuned into Forward Progress, on Sunday night, the first one of the year, with myself and Clive, we pulled up the Pinnacle openers on screen which are giving you like 500 bucks a pop. They go up to a thousand bucks pretty quickly. Look at those lines versus where they're at now. Like people think oh, sharp sports book, why would I bet there? I can't beat them those. The lines still move just like everywhere else. You can get in on lines early on, get some good closing line value and you can actually get a real bet on top of it. 

07:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What's not to like Absolutely, absolutely, and and also you can beat every sports book. 

07:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Of course, every sports book can be beat in some capacity. Some of the people beating these sports books now are the ones that are doing early week release shows, people who are doing client releases early in the week with their tout services, and this has caused what I would deem a shitstorm in the gambling Twitter community. Market moving, the markets are moving earlier and earlier. Trav he hate me on Twitter, so we're releasing edges to the public on Mondays. Now Can't we just call your mom and dad and ask if she's proud of you? There's gotta be a better way to get validation, guys. That's one Brett Favre 444, one of the most respected football bettors, or justs overall, I would say on the planet. Every service has cut each other in line to the point where they're now all just releasing Monday am, and betters have retaliated by firing even earlier. It's a disaster. 

08:14
More from Brett far 444 replying to our release show on the hammer hit the books with Brad Powers. The reply is a total at Monday 6 am Pacific time, before Chris Offshore Sportsbook has even bothered to post numbers. You, the man Brad, you, the man Brad, you, the man Brad. And then we got Live Dog Luke, spanky's head trader. Luke, the man Luke the man, luke, the man, luke the man. Is that what we're going? 

08:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
with. That's what I call him now. Okay, luke, the man I told you I'm sick of the whole. Like you know, he's his own guy, you don't get to make your own name. 

08:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're the man. I don't know where Live Dog Luke came from, but if he made that himself, you don't just get to coin your own nickname. So we'll go with Luke the man. A new low for YouTube release shows, as Brad releases a college. Chris even has a line. What's next? Best bets on FCS games before the line is hung? Oh wait, any links to a Barstool Sports? They actually put that up. Yes, nice, yes. So obviously a lot of people are upset about this, nice, and naturally I think that makes sense. If you're a winning better, you're going to be upset if other people are messing around with the market, and especially if you think that those people are also long-term winners as well, or winners Because, as a better, if there was a bunch of early week releases and like client releases shows happening and the lines were moving in direction where it was opening up value for you, I'm pretty sure you'd shut your mouth and not say anything. Most likely. 

09:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So obviously in this instance we're getting this, but Brad plug our release show actually Cause the fact that so many people are criticized. It must be some value in there and I know it's free, it moves a lot. 

09:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not I know it's a free. 

09:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's a free show. Everyone should be tuned in, as if you're betting college football. So at least you get a banger. 

09:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Play Rob, hit the books on YouTube or in podcast form, but you're going to want to watch live on YouTube because this number is going to be gone very quickly once Brad gives it out 9 am Eastern time, 6 am Pacific, every single Monday and usually gives we're planning two to four plays roughly in that range every single week which he's going to come on and give out. Now, granted, there's going to be times, like this week, where maybe a market-making sportsbook hasn't opened the game yet and you know what. I can understand the frustration for someone who might be waiting to get a play and they're like holy fuck, this guy gave out this play. It was going to be a big edge. Couldn't he have waited? Wish he would shut up. But this provides immense value for everyone else that's watching the broadcast, like, if you're a small time, better someone who doesn't originate yourself and you're going to get a line that's going to beat the close by a mile. It provides value. 

10:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So absolute true value because you're getting closing line value on a monday game. Again, there's different ways to evaluate this and with accounts and depending on how much you're betting and stuff like that. But the plays here they're getting the clv. Clv is what wins, end of story. We've mentioned it multiple times yeah. 

11:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So like I completely understand the standpoint of the better who's doing well, is betting a lot and says like, like the market just keeps moving earlier and earlier. I got to that point with NHL Full transparency, right. Like I used to wake up in the morning, look through the NHL board 7.30 am, limits were going to come up, circles off. We're going to, you know, happen 8.30, 9 am in the morning and we would be able to bet the board. Basically there's like every game had some edge and some capacity. Now it's not like that. It's like two or three games that you can bet when circles are off, sometimes none on some days. It's like a waste of time even waking up because people are betting earlier and earlier. 

11:57
But this is just the nature of the market. Like you have to. It's adapt or die mentality, right. At the end of the day, it is what it is Now. In terms of content creators, I do run a content network in the hammer. I get the frustration, but we're serving an audience. Like if nobody watched this stuff, we wouldn't do it. Ethically, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. 

12:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I mean realistically, like for this powers release show. Um, you got it like. This is a perfect opportunity. Show up to work 10 minutes early on monday morning, gonna look like a hero. Your boss is gonna get in at nine. You're already gonna be there at 8 45 getting all your accounts set up on the screen, obviously. Hopefully your computer can't be seen by anyone else. 9 am, you're already ready to go. Bam bam, bam, bam bam. 

12:48
You just made extra money for the day by 9, 15 by 9 by 9 15 you got five plays in, yeah, slap those all in, bet stamp, track them so you get to clv by the end of the week and you can uh, you know keep checking that back throughout the week. And then there you go. Man, what, what a concept. It's actually great for a lot of people, obviously understanding anyone who's trying to make a serious living off betting college football. It's a little frustrating, but at the end of the day, that's going to happen regardless. People are going to bet those regardless. 

13:14 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I just had the question of, like I can see, because of having talked to you guys and seeing all the stuff on Twitter and being around some of these people, the frustration of having something put out there that you're kind of waiting for, especially because you're waiting for the limit to come later. But my only question to you guys is, like in a lot of these instances so yesterday brad gives out one one play, he gives out under 46 and a half in the yukon uh fiu game. It's at 42 and a half right now, at least on the sports book that I bet it out or whatever. If these people are sitting there waiting later in the week, if people are still piling on to that, isn't the opportunity to just go back the other way, going to open up on some of these, with that higher limit coming available, if, like, if it's being beaten too far one way or the other, like those things come up, or is it just kind of like it's it the edges eroded? 

13:59
of course, like what that was the confusion that I had when I was seeing some of this response to it. 

14:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, brad Powers Right Angle Sports. Previously Adam Chernoff Telegram, joey Toons Telegram. Barry Horse Telegram, clev TA Telegram. Like there's just a million out there now that have like a tangible market. 

14:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Las Vegas, chris, we had on last week LVCc you know he puts out a client release. 

14:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's going to move the market like there's. Just it's different back in the day and I haven't. Like I say back in the day, like I've been betting for 40 years, I haven't. But even in the span of like three or four years, the market changes a lot and this is the way that the market is heading. And, yes, there are a lot of bettors who are trying to monetize in ways that aren't just betting. 

14:47
I would be one of those. Completely upfront with people. I've mentioned it a million times before, it's not as easy for me to win money doing what I do or win the amount of money that I used to with the way that the market has moved. And the problem is like do I just sit there and hope it changes or do I figure out a way where I can continue to earn in some capacity? Right, whether that's me personally having to bet earlier, maybe finding different sports to bet because you know they're flying under the radar a little bit more, but you have to adapt as a better, I totally understand this viewpoint. I think it's entirely fair. I think if you're a better that makes all of your income off of betting, I totally understand why there's an extreme level of frustration with how this market is evolving and what you're seeing. I get it. 

15:41
This also, though, probably has an adverse effect, in that it probably draws even more attention to the fact that this is happening, like if there's not a lot of interaction on these tweets. Like 281 views, right, whatever. Like it's not a lot, but anyone who didn't know that there was a Brad Powers release show at 9 am Eastern on Mondays now now knows it, and it's probably gonna go into an end, because they're going to guess what they're going to say hey, four games are going to move like three or four points. Why am I not going to get in on this? 

16:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
One of the things I want to note on these is, like for anyone saying it again, it's no shots at anyone, anyone saying like, oh, chris didn't even post a line yet. Like who the F's get in these plays? Like who's actually even betting this for any real money? Like honestly, no one, no one's betting it for any massive amounts of money. But what it's doing is, like you know the people, you know, like producer zach, for example, throwing some money on it, one for a full unit size for you, and then you have a bunch of other people who are watching the show. 

16:37
We're throwing like 10 bucks, 20, 50, 100 and you can get 100 limits at a lot of these books. You can get money down. That's one unit for a lot of people. And if 400 people are doing that for 10, 20 bucks each, it's providing value, it's providing them entertainment and that's what we're trying to do, obviously, with the company. So I know, obviously it's frustrating because you're not going to be able to hammer that Chris didn't even post yet, definitely not something you're going to be able to hammer 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 dimes on. But it is what it is well, like, like. 

17:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So forget about the hammer for a second. It's part of the the thing. 

17:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But like right angle sports puts out, I think four nfl plays on monday this week yeah, if you guys still want a right angle sports promo code, we have one for the show. We can get you a discount versus the regular. Uh, the regular service couple people emailed and messaged yesterday. Hit the twitter, twitter DMs. We'll send that code to you guys. 

17:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, the circle's off HQ on Twitter. So right now, sports releases four plays on Monday and people are like what the hell's going on here? Like this is Monday NFL. Now, the Monday NFL market is not nothing Like. If somebody wanted to get down like 20K on an NFL side on Monday, they could easily do that with all the shops that are open on NFL. Maybe easily is not the right word, because, like, how many people actually have access to Circa in Las Vegas? How many people actually have access to Pinnacle in Ontario? Let's scale the back that number that I threw out there. But like you can get a bet, it's not nothing, but the end of the day-. 

18:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But even at an offshore local, whatever. 

18:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Whatever end of the day, but even at an offshore, local, whatever, whatever you can get money down, you can figure out a way to get money down. But it's supply and demand. Like if if there was a bunch of people subscribing to the right angle sports service who are not getting value out of these monday plays would be like I can't bet these, I can't do this. Guess what? They would lose subscribers going forward. The service wouldn't do as well. Like Like right now there is a demand and people are meeting the demand in market and it upsets a lot of people who bet for a living. I totally understand that. I get that viewpoint because we're all going to look at it from our own perspective. Right, it's tunnel vision in the betting industry. How does this affect me personally? That's how everyone is going to react and form their opinions. It's not just betting, it's life. For the most part. There's very few people that are able to just take a step outside of their own shoes and put themselves in someone else's position and see someone else's viewpoint. This is the world as it stands right now. So I get that viewpoint. But right now there is a massive demand for this type of stuff in market being able to get good prices. More people are becoming price sensitive. More people of stuff in market being able to get good prices. More people are becoming price sensitive. More people are understanding to bet earlier. And as a better, as a full-time better, you got to figure it out and there are a lot of full-time betters who are gravitating towards secondary means of income, and that's totally fine. 

19:16
And if there's people who want to say, oh, you're a tout for doing this, okay, whatever, that's your prerogative, it doesn't matter, it doesn't bother me when people call me a tout. In fact, I touted for years. You can argue that what I'm doing now is touting. I don't give a shit, it doesn't bother me. But at the end of the day, if you're in a position to meet the demand, like you can create a supply of content that people want or picks that people are looking for you're foolish to not jump on that Again, provided that there's not any ethical or moral concerns and for me I don't view this as one Some people might say well, it's unethical to release plays early in the week. You're affecting people's ability to get down later in the week. It's like guess what Market moves. You can play back on it. 

20:05 - Zack Phillips (Other)
you have the option to play back yeah, that was my only thing is like you can go back well, I mean, listen there. 

20:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sometimes there might not be value the other way, or whatever sometimes. But this is just how markets work. Like you, you got to react in real time well, we'll move on from this one. 

20:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We've got another topic that came up on the backs of the old A Rogers Torn Achilles. It's official now we're recording this podcast. This will be Tuesday, september 12th. Release date on this one will be Thursday, so if any news has changed after that, we apologize. 

20:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Were you watching it in real time? 

20:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, and I knew we tore his achilles right away, two seconds. 

20:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Everyone did uh, no, no, we, we did, we. 

20:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I know you're running a live stream, I was tuning in, but um didn't have it on the volume there. But here's the thing. You didn't have. You weren't listening to me no, I was listening to the broadcast. I wanted to see if rogers would return. But seriously, yeah, like I, I listen. I always put it on my phone and then I'll have it on the headphones when you guys are doing the live streams, just to you know. 

21:06
Support it's no, but it's it's also fun to to hear these guys and then occasionally I'll message some of them like whether it be, I don't know, even jason or whatever, if anyone's there, but for this one I had to turn the tv volume on so I wanted to see. Basically, you know, when they come with the early update okay, roger's not going to be returning what it was. As soon as they showed that replay looked right away like it was a torn achilles popped up. And then in my um fantasy group chat one of the guys that's like always lights out with all info and everything's like yeah, that's an achilles. And then it came out. They said on the broadcast that he injured his ankle and he was going for x-rays. And my buddy said the same guy don't even care what they just said about the ankle, I'm 100% sure it's a torn Achilles. And sure enough he was right, he was dead on there. So yeah, I think I knew he was going to be out for the game. Pretty clearly there. 

21:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, we had all the internet doctors in the Hammer live stream of that game trying to diagnose it in real time. We actually didn't even have a real doctor in the stream, but we did have a dentist who was very convinced it was an ankle injury and I'm like I don't know about this buddy. He's like trust me. 

22:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think it was ankle, because he saw the way it popped up. 

22:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know, Jim, I don't know. 

22:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Jim, that's probably it for him. Tough, very sad to see. That's probably it for his career. That's what I was. Makes a comeback, but definitely he's up for the season now. Toffee played, was it three? 

22:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
snaps, one in completion, one sack and then one handoff. Was it three or four, I don't know, maybe four, I think I think was four, because he was pressured three times on all three dropbacks. He definitely didn't complete a pass. No, it was, it was. 

22:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It was rough to watch tough for the fantasy owners that had him in and lost the matchup by a half point or whatever. Those always gonna Also tough for we're getting into the segment here the bettors who had Aaron Rodgers Maybe you had him to score a touchdown, whatever First off wanted to say this thank the Lord that there was no DraftKings super boost for. 

22:57 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Aaron. 

22:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Rodgers to get one yard, because I would not have been able to handle that if that happened. 

23:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There was the 9-11 boost for two hours. That existed, by the way, listen, like you know, I bet at a variety of sports books, as I recommend that a lot of people do, obviously Pinnacle being one of them. But with that like I, I can't imagine there has to be some sort of a process where that goes through multiple people. 

23:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know how many people saw that. It was like, yeah, I'm betting this, so like at the end of the day it's kanisha's dad. No, but there's, there's probably there. It said 800, better, whatever. But I'm sure there was even more that people who were just like talking about that in the group chats and then it just fired up it's just that. 

23:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, 9-11 in new york, I gotta go with the jets, like that's, but for that, for that boost to go up. I don't know the process at sportsbooks, maybe I'm wrong about this, but like this was a big marketing one, right? I figure that multiple people had to have known about that before it went live and everyone just said, yeah, like this is a good idea, let let's do it Like how? 

23:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
how is this even? I don't think I don't think that many people look over it. 

24:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, Maybe it has it. 

24:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
maybe it was just like a one road guy I've done, we've done bet stamp, custom boosts with different books where we'll send it in and then we we label it and whatever. So yeah, if I'm being honest, like at the end of the day, stuff's gonna happen, um, but realistically, like if you think I'm telling you right now, if you think that goes through like a seven day approval process, no, no definitely, and they had it in the marking plan. Like, okay, the boost for monday is gonna be this. Like I don't think it works. 

24:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like it definitely does not like. I remember when me and zach were doing them a couple years ago. Yeah, you just, you just fire it off on your mail. 

24:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The guys like I'm gonna put this up and then you're like, hey, make sure the odds are this, because this has this. We want vladdy guerrero to hit a homer. And then you put it on and the next thing you know it's like, yeah, vladdy, super bomb, yes. 

24:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And then you're like, oh, we got, we got canceled yeah, of course you never know, but, and then it's done. But in that process it was just actually a literal email to a trader saying we want one of these three. Here's the current best number in market. The odds have to be better than this. That was it. And the guy just respond like yeah, I'll get it up. Yeah, who knows what they're gonna name it or whatever. 

25:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But obviously this is a horrible idea, like I know what they were trying to do, but like it couldn't have backfired anymore. Yeah, I don't really get offended that much stuff. I'm not offended at all by the slightest. Like, yeah, it is what it is. If people are going to get mad, yeah, you've got, I guess, as a brand be more a little conservative. But I don't, I don't, I don't care about this at all. 

25:33
I was going to say more offended, but issue is that Listen, if that was my company and I was looking at that, I obviously wouldn't have put that up 100%. That's all I'm saying 100% would not have put that up, but. 

25:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not offended. The issue is that you are using a tragic event to encourage more betting Like you just don't do Like this was a tragedy, it's like's for me. 

25:57 - Zack Phillips (Other)
This was my negative ev of the week. By the way, it was using a tragedy to. 

26:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was 15 years old, I was in high school. I'll never forget this day for the rest of like. The entire day is more ingrained in my memory than any other day of my life. Like people you don't, you do not use that day to to encourage people to throw down bets on games like I'm sorry you do not. Yeah, fair enough, it's just a, anyways, fair, fair enough so I got. 

26:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, I was gonna say thank. Thankfully there was no aaron rogers over half a half a yard super boost for opening monday, because that would have just been the conspiracies that would have been floating around about how that happened. Would have been nuts. But uh, definitely some some stuff still popped off. People are, you know, demanding refunds. Couple books did offer the refunds and the issues there. We said it before, you can't really depend on this. Guys are going to get injured. Also, sometimes you're going to have an and a guy gets injured and you win it. Sometimes you're going to have an under and the game goes into triple overtime in the NBA and you lose by one rebound and you're like, are you kidding me? They basically played an extra quarter. It happens, man. 

27:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It happens. People, these are two-way markets. You can bet overs, you can bet unders in games period. That it's. It's that simple. Anyone who bet the aaron rogers under like, if you, you can bet the under like. Just just remember that every single time now like this, the what I'm, what I find very, very interesting about this. I'm not going to mention specific sportsbook names because it doesn't matter here, but there is ones that in the past were very adamant of not paying out the, the winners or, sorry, the like, the refunds. There was ones in the past that were always refunding and now there's like no consistency anymore in that they've all changed their tone on the situation. So you have sports books from in the past. They're like okay, this person's injured, we're issuing a refund. Now they're not issuing a refund anymore. And then ones in the past that were like no, no, no, no, no, this is fair game. Who are now issuing refunds and again the people have no idea and this causes like so from remember. 

28:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I explained this before I actually I nailed it, though, because I told you there's never going to be consistency, because they're just going to look at what that prop is going to do to their bottom line and then they're going to say, all right, this is only going to cost us 78,000 and we can get this much PR, so like, we'll do this, but if it was going to cost them 1.5 mil, they wouldn't do it. 

28:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, but it's just arbitrary. Is the problem right? So, like we, I remember we had this conversation right and this isn't the first time we had it on circles off. But my whole thing was like build this If you want to issue refunds for certain things or whatever, build it into your house rules, because what inevitably happens is like okay, Aaron Rodgers gets injured in the first quarter of this game and you issue a refund to everyone else. Now what happens next week if, insert random quarterback Ryan Tannehill gets injured on the last play of the first quarter? Are you paying that out to all the people who bet the? Are you refunding anyone who bet the overs? What if it's a lesser known player? What? 

28:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
if it's. 

28:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Nico Collins, Exactly right. 

28:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like what if it's, by the way, that guy's not a lesser known player he's a good player. Well, he's definitely lesser known than Aaron Rodgers. No, but I'm saying like you know. 

29:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not trying to get money. I don't like the arbitrary nature of this, and because it's so arbitrary, you just get the Twitter stuff all the time where people are just begging the sports book. Am I getting a refund? This is a screw job. This is this, this is that and it's not right. Like it's it's. People are like what, why? Why do we care? Why do you care? And honestly, I can't explain why, other than just I've been betting for a long time and this is like the nut low of the betting population, the ones that will ask for a refund, not only ask demand, like they're entitled to, when they could have just bet the opposite side yeah, well, I mean at the end of the day. 

30:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You mentioned terms and conditions. That is what it is like. The most terms and conditions in most of the books almost all of them actually right now for nfl player props is player must play one snap for action. So if they didn't play a snap for the entire game, considered inactive. Void any bets over unders, touchdown, no touchdown, whatever it is, you play one snap as soon as you're on there for that. One snap, that's active, meaning if you had the under on aaron rogers yards, you win. Right, you're not going to then get that voided. You win and then, if you had the over, you lose. So it is what it is, speaking of, terms and conditions. Though one other one that I know you you had on the list here yeah. 

30:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I saw this this week which came across my my timeline, and this was uh, for sunday night football. So, chelly, who's part of the bucket crew? Uh, fan duels not paying dallas defense first td out because it doesn't clarify d slash, special teams scumbag move. This picked up a lot of visibility. Here's what I did upon seeing this tweet. It took me approximately two minutes. I went to Google. I typed in FanDuel Sportsbook House Rules. There's rules for different states. So you'll get a bunch of different ones Connecticut, whatever, all the way down. Click any of them. So you'll get a bunch of different ones, connecticut, whatever, all the way down. Click any of them. I searched like control F on my computer first touchdown score. I don't think I got anything, so maybe I tried NFL. I found the rules Very explicitly states in the rules that defense and special teams is not a part of this. Like explicitly 100%. Scroll down on the tweet, zach. It's right there. Someone puts it that defense and special teams is not a part of this like explicitly 100. 

31:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's the scroll down on the tweet. It's right there someone puts it. If, if someone actually responded to this tweet. No, no, he he. So someone told him and he did it look, click it. It's not even yeah, click it right there, zach. Yeah, the defense selection does not include special teams. Now listen, this rule could have more clarity. 

31:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I totally agree with that. But like you're gonna take to Twitter to just annihilate a sports book for your own personal mistake is what it comes down to. Like you have to be aware of house rules when betting. There's listen, I know that every shop has different rules. Nobody wants to read through every single thing, but if you're going to bet specific markets where things can be interpreted in different ways, at least know, because this prop is priced differently depending on whether special teams is included or not. It's not a big difference, but you will price it difference differently, so be aware of that. 

32:40 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Well, also I I've seen, like most sports books that I've seen, say d slash, special teams, yes, and if you just see defense, I wouldn't naturally assume, oh, this must include special teams, like I would try to find out if it did before I just went away and was like, oh, this is going to include that. 

32:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The challenge here is that a lot of people won't even think about it, right? They'll just be like, ah, I think the Dallas defense is going to score. Like, did he think that the special teams was part of it? No, because DST is fantasy, right, exactly? 

33:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fantasy is DST, so you associate with that. Exactly, there's a lot of other. 

33:11
Reality is just shop and honestly like just there you go the way I see it is this okay, when you're looking at this stuff, be sharp, be fucking sharp. Okay, look at it and be like Dallas defense Does it include it? I'll give you guys another one right now. So FanDuel does the same thing. When you're betting a UFC fighter, it'll say buy TKO KO. All the other books say tko ko dq. 

33:39
When a guy gets disqualified from an eye poke and the other guy wins and then people say are you kidding me? What the hell? How did he not win on this? He won on every other book. Be sharp, that's in. That's in the thing. Like, look at it and actually read it before you place a bet. And if you're not happy with that, don't place your tko ko bets on fando. Place them somewhere else where you get the, where you get the free dq, because one in every hundred of those you're gonna win instead of a loss. Let's say it's like plus 200 on average. There you go, that's, that's massive to your total roi. So just the way you'd shop for a line, shop for these little, these little things because it matters man, like defense slash, special team sure, how often does a special teams titter happen like versus for for the first touchdown, like I'm imagine. 

34:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Imagine they return the opening kick off to the house and you think you want like doesn't stop yeah, listen, like my, my emphasis with this one is what really got me this, this we don't do tweets that trigger me or trigger us anymore. I don't really know what happened. We just kind of fell by the wayside. This would have been a tweet that triggers us because of the final two words, which is scumbag move, as if, like, it's in the terms, it's in the terms of the book you're betting. It's different if it's not and it's like open to interpretation. 

34:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, like that plus CV analytics thing. Absolute scumbag move. 

34:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That is a scumbag move, but like, ultimately, you know it's there. 

35:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So this guy's defense, by the way, because I don't want to roast him Like this kid he put this up. He realized right after that it wasn't a scumbag move and like whatever. So it is what it is. He realized like that. But yeah, my advice on this to everybody, everybody is be sharp, look at it, figure out what the actual bet includes, because there's a I mentioned that UFC, tko KO situation. There's plenty of other ones that are like this across multiple sports. So just be careful. 

35:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The one thing I will say is that I don't find that ruling in the sports book rules to be satisfying enough for me, so I'll explain. But let's say a team tried a fake punt and the first score got returned to the house on interception. How would this have been ruled? Let's say the New York Giants are punting, they do a fake punt, they throw the ball, it gets intercepted and returned for a touchdown so, yeah, they're gonna have to. 

35:58
They're gonna have to classify it as yeah, honestly, that's the one scenario where you don't know if it's d or st, so this so my, my thing is like, while I, while I don't like this tweet in specific, I also I'm not willing to say, like all the sports books, do it right. There are things that are in there that need to be ironed out. I'm not sure if that situation, when the last time that situation happened was, but then you would have, then you could take to twitter, in my opinion, and be like this is not covered in the rules. I assume that this is a defensive touchdown for the cowboys scumbag move. 

36:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
My two cents on the situation there's not that one is impossible to tell what that is. Yeah, I don't. 

36:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't actually know what that class is classified a fake punt is probably special teams yes, but when it's in return for a touchdown via interception defensive score. 

36:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, so I pick six. That's a defensive score, but what if it was, what? If it was a? Like a punter went to throw it. Before he threw it he got sack mumble six, I don't know man but that's what it's that deer st crazy. 

37:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I am available to review every sportsbooks rules, by the way, house rules and find all of the stuff that's missing, because I do this naturally for a fee. 

37:10
I do well, of course, you think I'm doing this for free, and I'm not the only person who does this. Another foire, completely the wrong word. My English sucks. I don't even want to say beef, but let's say just an interaction on Twitter that I found interesting this week was with RxGamble. Rxgamble says tweets. 

37:31
I like to wind down after a long day by reading terms and conditions A story about one sportsbook's error, and then it's an article on unabatedcom about getting a teaser edge by reading Terms and Conditions. A story about one sportsbook's error, and then it's an article on unabatedcom about getting a teaser edge at a specific sportsbook which she found strictly by reading the Terms and Conditions, abnormally Dissed. Who we had on previously pretty well respected better in the space replied to this and said isn't that kind of scummy? I know these are mean multinational corporations, sure, but we should still have a moral compass Arguing that there is some sort of integrity issue with doing stuff like this. And I'm going to side with Rx Gamble on this one because ultimately, I think as a better, you're looking for ways to get an edge. 

38:24
I don't know, though, because I can, on different days, I can see how someone might compare it to like poker and maybe doing things at a poker table that are considered maybe not wrong but a little bit unethical Calling the clock on somebody after you know a short amount of time when they're making a decision, or stuff like that. But ultimately, like you're in the business of trying to win when you're betting. Some people aren't, some people are in the business of entertainment, but if you're trying to win, I think everything is fair game. Like, is this a clear and obvious error that someone's trying to take advantage of? Or is it just like this is the sports book put out, put out these rules? Like it's almost one of the first things I do If I'm, if I have downtime. It's like how can I find an edge? 

39:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I got a question for you. Yes, this is a good one. Okay, let's say you have a call it a betting partner in this scenario. Yep, he, you're, you're. You have like a figure each way. Yep, okay, for the simplicity of the figure, we're going to go with $10,000. Okay, so it's not. It's not something that's like life-changing money, but it's also not a hundred bucks. Okay, 10 grand. You're confirming the figure at the end of the week. 10 grand. You're confirming the figure at the end of the week. 

39:45
This guy says rob, I owe you 10 grand, but really he doesn't owe you anything. You confirm on your figures it's actually a wash. Yep, so he's giving you a 10k error in your favor. Okay, hear me out though. Yep, this is the kind of guy where you believe in your mind, if the rules were reversed, he would take that 10k from you. Yep, so what do you do? Do you message him and say, uh, yep, check on the figure, send me the 10k? Or do you say, actually, figures wrong, we're washed this week. Keep in mind, this is a person who you believe would take the 10K from you. So this scenario, it is very much related to that. What would you do in this scenario? 

40:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would honestly give the money back, like you would give the money back or not collect the money. That's the honest truth. 

40:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You'd say no, figure, doesn't check, we're washed. 

40:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, I mean, that's how you do figures, generally speaking, right? Someone reaches out to you here's the figure for the week, confirm. And then the other party would confirm and say like I got the same or I don't. There have been times before where people like over, report what they owe me, and I'll go back to them and be like, no, this is not what, this is not matching what I have, and you get to the bottom line. I don't know. That's just the way that I generally do business, because I, even if I don't like the person and, believe me, I deal with people that I don't like all the time fair enough but like from this point of view. 

41:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So then, why wouldn't you just tell the sports book? 

41:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah, it's wrong. 

41:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You overpaid me. I mean because because again the sports book wouldn't, it, wouldn't tell you oh, you accidentally deposited twice, we forgot about it. Whatever it's in the thing, they're not gonna. 

41:26 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Nothing's gonna happen, man, they're gonna keep that money I would say I have a thought on this, though I think the difference in this one is almost like more the thing I would relate it to be like the nhl example of the salary cap, where the nhl is the league like the sports book and then you've got other players that you're playing against within that yep. So, rob, johnny, rx, gamble abnormally diss. You guys are all players within the market of fan duel being the nhl here. Well, the nhl sets a salary cap. The tampa bay lightning put a bunch of players on the injured reserve and go against so that they don't have to face the cap penalty. They can go over the cap for the entire regular season and then bring those guys back in the playoffs because it doesn't count. 

42:07
Is that maybe a scummy move to the other players who are looking at it and can't get to that or can't find the Leafs or whatever? They can't use the cap, the salary cap relief? Well, it's up to the NHL to change that. They can't use the cap, the salary cap relief? Well, it's up to the nhl to change that. It's up to fan duel to change that rule, not the player themselves to say that they're playing within the rules. The rules allow them to do that yeah, I largely agree with that. 

42:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You, you want to win a board game. 

42:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You look at the rules and you find the head dodgers and you go of course, but like that's how I, that's how I ascribed, uh, subscribe to life, basically so that. 

42:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But that's why I'm asking you this one is in this scenario, you can pretty much know that the book is not going to return that favor to you, right, correct? So that's why I asked you if it was a betting partner, would you, would you take the money or would you wash it? 

42:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you said you'd wash it, so you should probably wash it with the book well, I've been thinking about it for a couple minutes now and I still would wash it like that's, that's. But I think why I have this belief is because dealing with a person versus a sports book Versus a company yeah, conglomerate, exactly it's very different, like. I'll give you an example. 

43:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But you know that person wouldn't do the same for you. 

43:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, of course, Same way the book would, but here's an example, right so why is it different? I'll explain. Let me try to think of like a real life example that I can use here. Okay, here's, here's one. I deal with other betters all the time who will quote me prices on games? Right, because, as as betters like, let's say, we like the opposite sides of an NHL NFL game this weekend, we could just handshake, deal for a hundred bucks and like we don't pay big. Yeah, right, give me the bears, give me the packers. 

43:36 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, exactly. 

43:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So, we don't have any money, okay. 

43:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Why am I going to go back to the sports book and pay, you know, whatever, and you do the same thing. It doesn't make any sense, handshake, deal, whatever. So that happens a lot in this space, where I just get quoted prices from other people or people tell me who they like, sort of midpoint price, whatever. Now let's say I'll use a real life example. I think this is fine to tell at this point because it's not ruining an edge and it happened in real life. This is where we get the real info. 

44:10
Okay, the NHL All-Star game that happened in Las Vegas a couple years ago. One of the events was filmed prior to the actual broadcast. The old predetermined event yeah, it was at the fountains or whatever. The winner was why we Pavelski? Joe Pavelski was the winner, was widely known that he was going to be the winner. It was up everywhere at sportsbooks and we bet that. I bet that. I made a lot of money off of that, got paid at a variety of different books that had that. That particular was like a shooting challenge. It was the shooting stars. 

44:46
Uh, pelagio vegas, yeah, yeah on the water right if someone else had reached out to me and like, let's say, I was just dealing with another person I normally deal with and said, hey, rob, here's, here are some odds for the nhl all-star game, or I like this guy for the, the, the shooting challenge, or whatever. I would have just said to them, like I'm not going to take your money, like this outcome is already known. I would have actually said that to the person. But in the case of the sports book, I'm going out and betting it. It's because I don't associate that sports book with humans, for some reason. 

45:18
You know what I'm getting at. It doesn't feel like I'm taking money from other humans, even though you kind of are. It just doesn't feel that way. We're conditioned to like want to beat the sports books, not to like take money from other people. 

45:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's natural. I mean like listen, I don't, I agree. Like people will feel fine stealing a thing from walmart but not from a buddy. Yeah, it's just that same mentality they're like oh like what do I care if I steal from walmart? They're not even gonna notice? Like that's what people say. 

45:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm saying that's crazy this came up like this thread came up in a side chat of mine with some friends and they were throwing out like other examples that pertain to poker, like some angle shooting and stuff like that, where like people intentionally don't pretend like they don't know it's it's on them and like they act out of turn to mislead other people, like I don't think that these are apples to apples comparison. 

46:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're saying people like putting in chips into the pot when it's not their turn, then that guy folds before exactly making it look like they're strong or making it. 

46:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know that there's. There's all sorts of that stuff that happened, like poker players, you know. I know I don't want to say anything derogatory about poker players, I'm not. I'm not sure that every poker player is a scumbag, but like there's a lot of stuff that happens in poker, that is not like a real comparison to sports and I don't know. I would still suggest to anyone out there that if you were to read through a sports book's rules and you found something that you can exploit, try to exploit it. I'm not the guy that's going to be messaging the book every single time they have a bad price and be like hey, your price is way off market on this. Like, what are we doing? Like, where do we draw the line on what we can and can't do? 

46:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
are you the guy who's going to be messaging the book saying, hey, can you put up odds for joe pavelski to win this year? 

46:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
hey, I noticed that you don't have the odds on joe pavelski in this waterfall shootout that they're having at the bellagio? Yeah, I mean like, where do you draw the line? Right she's. She's taking advantage of something that's mispriced. So when you're betting, aren't you trying to do the exact same with everything else, aren't you like? 

47:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
you're trying to take advantage of stuff that's mispriced I once messaged an prominent offshore to put up odds for uh for a specific event, like hey, put up the odds for this already, and then they responded back saying no period. And and you know exactly why did. 

47:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I hope you didn't do it from your actual real name or account. 

47:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't have Pro tip if you're going to ever message a sportsbook for a market to go up. 

47:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Do not ever do it from your own account. Like don't contact customer service. 

47:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't have my own social. 

47:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but from customer service, from your own account, like talking to an agent. Hey, can we please get this market? That's a surefire way of getting you profiled and limited Surefire way of getting you profiled and limited Surefire except for at Pinnacle, they don't limit you. 

48:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right. What else we got here, Rob? How long have we been going here, Zach? About 50 minutes, 50?. You want to go plus EV? Negative EV Close it off. Yeah, All right, Zach. So I know you already used up your negative EV but you got your plus. 

48:18 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, plus EV. Your uh, your negative ev, but you got your. You got your plus. Um, yeah, plus ev. This is the first time that I really got to do this and it was pretty sick. Now, living in our own apartment like at home, my dad dolphins fan. He wants to watch the dolphins, that's it. So other to me what to watch any other games it's up to me. Um, we had the multi tv setup going and like that's my plus it's legit, the plus tv it's. 

48:38
It's the best thing ever, because all you have to do is we had one tv on red zone and then we had the big tv on the game that we wanted to watch and we were just flipping back and forth between channels and then, outside of that, it was like had another tv, had other laptops going, with other stuff going on, and it's like this is it can't get any better than this at this point. Sat down on the couch, spent the whole day there sitting there watching games. 

49:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The dream beautiful it was the, the actual dream are you guys matching on plus evs for this week? So that was my plus ev, but now I'm opening my phone so I can grab another one because I gotta pivot. Maybe I can make it. My negative ev could be watching only one game and just inverse that shit, but seriously, that is the most plus ev thing. Imagine watching only one nfl game, it's it's hard, it's you gotta deal with the commercials too. 

49:25
Like you know how brutal commercials are in the nfl, like you look at the prime times man, they'll literally get you with the old. Sometimes they'll get you with the old um, two minute warning punt commercial back to back. So you went to the commercial, then you go, then it's a punt or like a kickoff or something. Yeah, and then they rip you another and then and then they'll come back and you'll see a good time other we'll be back in 30 seconds. Like, are you kidding me? I haven't seen a snap in 17 minutes dude. 

49:52 - Zack Phillips (Other)
My, my roommate's a texas fan and we were watching the texas alabama game and it was like that was the one that was on the TV. You didn't want to switch off Cause he didn't want to miss any snaps and it's like commercial for like two minutes on commercials. They come back Exactly what you said Punt commercial. 

50:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They get you. 

50:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They get you. Sometimes that's very sour. You know, when I was growing up like we didn't have red zone I don't want to make this I'm like I'm not much older than you guys, but like a decade more than older than Zach, and I used to basically run a version of red zone from my own house, like yeah, that's what I do now I had the laptop. 

50:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm not. I'm not a believer in red zone, by the way. 

50:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like red zone, but it's it's because of needing to do content that night. You know what I'm saying. Like if I was not doing anything other than just betting, I would only pick the games that I've bet on and I would have those up and everything else I would just watch the next day or consume afterwards. But because I'm doing betting content the night of, I have to kind of be in tune with everything that happens over the course of the day. So it changes my perspective. 

51:00
You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, absolutely but back in the day I used to open up cbs sports line on my laptop in front of me before. This is the sickness that I had before the day started and my friends got over. I memorized the channels of which each game was going to be on, so anytime a team got into red zone or something happened, I was able to. I was running red zone like a one-man show for my own house. My friends were like this is like we're coming here every week. There's no way we're going back to bruno's house next week to watch you know two games on one on this little dinky tv. Like yeah, this ain't happening, can't do it Okay. 

51:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So, with that being said, that's my negative EV move of the week, then, because I've logged some hours with buddies here throughout the years. Negative EV move of the week is being the TV remote guy for NFL, especially with a four screen. So I've only had a good buddy of mine who's got a five screen setup occasionally go over there. I used to have the three screen setup back at my old place. Now I roll with the four screener. The problem is you just really got to be so precise on the remote going up with the box, otherwise you're going to change two. And that's an issue here with Rogers over in Canada. If you're the guy who's changing the remote, I'm working on a rogers sponsorship right now that would be great. 

52:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We gotta cut that. 

52:19 - Zack Phillips (Other)
We gotta cut that off okay, no, I'm just, I'm just johnny my backup is doubling down on your negative ev here as well. I'm not kidding, okay. 

52:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So so hear me out, though. Hear me out when we look at this. And you're the guy doing the remote. You have betting. You have what game's a good game? Especially near the end of the games, man, near the end of the games, because there's people who have there's all. There's, like you know, 10 guys watching. Let's say, multiple people have bets on different things. There's a couple guys are oppo on each other. 

52:45
You got fantasy matchups where a guy wants to watch this guy in the red zone and on top of that sometimes you'll have a game where you just want to watch the end of that game. Right, like, oh, is this going ot? Like it's a good game. You have four screens. You're flying guys like put on the cardinals game. Another guy's like you piece of shit, why are we gonna watch? The cardinals game is nothing. He's like no, I got the redskins for a backdoor live bet cover and you can never make anyone happy. You're just there just getting shit on all day. At the end of the day, you've literally never made anyone happy and everyone somehow is mad at you for being the tv remote guy. And and you dealt with the stress Plus. If you fuck up, once hit the guide and then you hit all four TVs on the guide they're literally losing it on you. 

53:24
It's actually insane. 

53:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like being the remote guy, but it's because I do it well. 

53:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Tough job. It's a hard job. 

53:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like the pressure, listen, listen. 

53:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
A good remote guy on a Sunday, invaluable. Of course, man. They should be paying. I would pay. I'd pay a remote guy Ice in his veins. I actually would pay a good remote guy on a. 

53:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sunday who else is going to memorize the channels? Know exactly where we're going, that's easy. Anyone can memorize. Well, of course they can. But who's going to do it? 

53:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Nobody pre-plans like I do for the one o'clockers and then by, like man, by mid first quarter, you got those of course. Of course that's exactly where you're going. So that's my negative ev move of the week. Positive ev move of the week staying on the football sunday thing here positive ev move this was the first sunday yep of my life. 

54:10
I think that I didn't eat a tremendous amount of just horrible for you food. Okay, for sunday football. Yeah, normally every year prior it's like, oh, yeah, you do. Basically what happens is you go in the morning you're getting some bets in someone's like you want mcdonald's breakfast, you want tim's breakfast, you're getting a farmer's wrap, you're getting a couple egg mcmuffins, breakfast bagels, ice cap, whatever. So you already have that in the morning, which is a disgusting breakfast. 

54:39
And then literally as soon as one o'clock hits and the game start, like as soon as you turn on like the first game kicks off, someone's like let's order a pizza, like you have to. So someone's gonna order a couple of pizzas. Got the garlic dips, wings, whatever, just again, gross food. You pig out. And then for the night, midway through, for those Canadians like you're obviously getting a Timbo's run, you're getting a couple. You're getting 10 bits ice caps, whatever Guy might bring the take 12. If you know, you know. And then at night you may even still get like veal sandwiches or like something at night as well. 

55:15
So every year for the past like 12 years, I've or like something at night as well. So every year for the past like 12 years, I just been eating like complete shit on sundays. Finally this sunday packed a lunch oh my god, salad and some chicken. And let me tell you positive eevee move of my life, I went home and didn't feel like shit for the first time in sunday history during an nfl season and I'm going to try to keep it up as much as I can. Healthiest man alive right here, maybe a little bit under the weather right now, but actually is that maybe it's because it's just the chicken and salad. 

55:47 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I should have got a reach's ponzo you should have got a ponzo, I should have got a reach's your body was sitting there saying my body's like what is this? What is this? 

55:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
it's sunday yeah they're like I didn't even know and it's mindset, because you're watching those games and as soon as you're watching it, it's like you're back in the same setting of NFL Check my fantasy matchup and I'm like I need some garlic dip and a pizza dough. Yes, it's tough man. Anyways, I'm done, I'm done. Those are my positive and negative EV. I had to ad lib them for this week. I didn't have those prepped, but there you go, okay, positive. 

56:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
EV, I'll piggyback off your health kick. I'm not the healthiest person. I'm diabetic. I don't really eat super well for a diabetic, but I manage my diabetes well. But lately I've been packing on a pons here. You can't really. People look at me. They're like, oh, he's skinny, whatever. He's like 175 pounds, soaking wet, which is true. But the stomach is getting big and I keep telling myself every day I'm like you got to walk, man, you got to just go for walks, like get out of the house or whatever. But the time comes to like will yourself to. I don't have the willpower. So here's what I did. I'm the biggest geek, huge nerd. I can open myself up to fire for this one. I downloaded Pokemon Go on my phone. 

57:08
It is the plus EV move of life because it is such a good walking companion game that I can get out and go on literally five kilometer walks with this game and it feels like I'm honestly embarrassed for it. 

57:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Rob, I know I could not. Okay, you know what? Imagine thinking you need pokemon go. I do. 

57:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I need to do exercise, but okay okay, it will not feel like exercise at all. It's different. Like I Like I have a home gym, right, I'm in my house. It's very different. It's not like it's bare bones, pull up, bar chest stuff, whatever, you know, like I can do stuff there and as I walk by that during football season I'll find myself exercising because it's there. But to actually get out of the house and go for a walk and do cardio, that's a completely different story. And with access to a companion app where it feels like you're just playing a game instead of actually walking, you end up going out a lot more and you have FOMO when you're at home because you're like, ah, fuck, like I'm not gonna be able to get this. Like this gym battle and whatever it's completely changed everything for me. I walked 35 kilometers last week. 

58:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Man, like I don't do that regularly. I'll say this and I genuinely mean it if we lost you as a subscriber, that's, that's honestly okay. That's fine by me and and listen, I hope, I hope you stay. No, no, no, no I hope you stay. 

58:34 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I hope I hope people are walking around right now catching pokemon. Go, yeah, listening to this if you want to get some good exercise in to do? 

58:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
open your phone and smash that like button, absolutely obliterate that subscribe button, but you only want to do it once, though. Don't keep pressing it, because then it goes on and off, and on and off. 

58:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So just one smash make sure you smash that like and subscribe button. We appreciate you. Are we missing one more? 

58:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, we got my minus EV, Go ahead, Okay, minus EV. If the first when you sit down in your car you're going to go out for a drive, Doesn't matter where you're going to go. If the first thing you do is not type in where you're going on the GPS that gives you like live traffic and whatever, could not agree more with this. 

59:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is the best guaranteed you redeemed yourself from the last one. 

59:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So this is. These all come from personal experiences. Obviously, you redeemed yourself big time. 

59:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is the most. This is I guess a plus EV move to do it negative, to not do it yeah. 

59:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It could have, could have went either way. But the first thing you should do is always put in your destination on your GPS if it's directly in your car, on your phone, whatever Because there will be times where there's a road closure or there's some sort of accident or there's like a bike marathon there's all sorts of shit going on where you think that you're doing an eight minute drive to the same place you've gone to. You've made the same drive a million times over, you know exactly where you're going and that eight minute drive turns into 45 minutes because you didn't check your phone. Don't be stupid, like I've been before. Just type it in, Even if it's anywhere. Just make it a habit. First thing you do because your time is very valuable and there's nothing worse than just being log, jammed in traffic and being like why the fuck did I not just take this other road? And it's because he didn't know. 

01:00:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But not even before, not even as soon as you get in the car, before you even leave, just know exactly how long it's going to take. Because we get up to date traffic now via map apps, which, Because we get up-to-date traffic now via map apps, which is just phenomenal, Imagine back in the day you had to go print it out online how to get somewhere. 

01:00:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you don't know how to get there you have no idea of the traffic. I did an entire East Coast road trip three and a half weeks Eastern Canada, quebec City, through Halifax up to PEI, came back down, ended up in Bostonoston. I did an entire three and a half week road trip using only printed out maps from map quest. 

01:01:03
Yeah, back in the day I ended up on a logging trail on the bay of fundy and I'm like I don't think we should be here. And everyone in the car is like no, no, it's good, it's maps have been good or whatever. I'm just going further and further in. I'm like, nah, I'm pretty sure this isn't even a road like that at this point, like the possibility of flat tire and us dying out here is increasing. They're like no, no, keep going, I'm sure it's gonna open up. I just ended up so deep on this logging trail it took like two hours to reverse out of it. Crazy, it's nuts. It's like we're. I was in the suv at the time, but yes, those days you need the maps you need the maps. 

01:01:42
You definitely need the maps and you definitely need to subscribe here. As zach pulls up his pokemon go on his phone. 

01:01:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Thank you, zach, for supporting it's 2v1 like no, no, buddy, dude 2v1, you're never gonna get me on plane of a phone game in general, because you, let alone pokemon. Go and saying and it's not even that you play it that I'm mad about, I'm not mad. I'm not mad. It's not that you play it, it's that you said this is a good move for me to get exercise. Yeah, imagine being so weak-minded that you needed to download pokemon. Go to go for a walk. Yes, and that is just a disappointment. We're going to close it off right there's episode 119. 

01:02:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Admittedly it is very I I will admit it's very disappointing that I literally cannot go for a walk like. I take my dog for a walk, but he's old and he's like he doesn't want to go more than a block, so it's like I gotta take him around, drop him off at home. Then I'm not gonna keep going out myself like it's. 

01:02:37 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I don't do it for I'm also the strongest man on the podcast. 

01:02:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
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