00:00 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You're never going to be like oh, how can I lose this? Oh, I can still lose this, actually, if it goes to like OT, and then you don't want to talk about that. You don't want to talk about the fact that the other team could come get a two-point conversion and then beat you in OT and the things. Like you'll just leave that, like I don't want to talk about this. This play is just like forget it out of your mind. 

00:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But when you're on the positive side of it, you're two-piece miss, two-point conversion comeback field goal we covered. 

00:28 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, I wish I could say that I agree with you, but I don't. Come on, let's go. You think I'm gonna come on here and put one of the one of the aussies in the elite here? 

00:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'd vote for rob of 25 000 I, I wouldn't vote for you. I can basically just cheat and get the same bets that they're getting, and it's weird because you can also pay your bills at the same place where you bet. I mean, you're a short guy, what? 

00:50 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
This guy talks a lot of trash. He's talked a lot of trash about me, Rob, a lot of people in the community, but he's refusing to show his face. 

00:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Clouting yourself as a pretty good NFL gambler. I thought you were an idiot. Say testing, testing, I'm a cuck. One, two, three, four. 

01:04 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Aussies going head to head with the Aussies. That's what I grew up for and I said get him Kirk. 

01:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And they call me a mean-spirited name. 

01:11 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I don't hang out with them. 

01:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The Toronto Maple Leafs at 14-1 are staring me dead in the face. 

01:17 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I'm already getting you know a lot of early. 

01:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This could be the best Circles Off episode that's ever been done. Welcome to Circles Off, episode number 174. Right here, part of the Hammer Betting Network and presented by Pinnacle Sportsbook, I am Rob Pizzola, joined by Johnny from BetStamp. 

01:37 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
How's it going Before we get into it. You should be betting at Pinnacle and you should have an account at BetStamp for tracking and if you bet props, you should have an account at bet stand for tracking and if you bet props, you should have the best and player props tool right off the gate. You got to get that out of the way. I was on my list crossing that off. 

01:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You hit it immediately. Yeah, I got some stuff on my list as well. Start by smashing the like button down below right away. You don't have to do it later. Just smash that like button. Get those likes up. Let youtube know that you're enjoying the content they serve. Serve it to other people. That gets us going. I'm not going to lie, it's going to be hard for me to sit today comfortably. My lower back is killing me. I played in a buddy's softball playoffs this weekend and it's sad when you're 37 years old, you play a couple softball games in a day and you're just. Are you good at softball? I'm not good, but I'm not bad. Like I can fill in on someone's team and I'll I'll be in place. Uh, you know, usually they'll put me at catcher or first base. I hate like part of it is playing catcher because I don't exercise much anymore. 

02:38 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So, like my legs I'm squatting catcher like the. It can't be a real, is it real catcher? 

02:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
squat down and softball there's pitching, so it's modified slow pitch. So there's a pitcher. He cannot do like a full windmill, he can only take it back up to about this level, like shoulder height, and then they whip it in. So it's decent, like you'll get good pitchers. Pitchers will pitch fastball and changeup, and sometimes you look like an asshole. You know swinging at the changeup, and sometimes you look like an asshole, you know swinging at the changeup or whatever. There's enough good pitchers that you need a catcher. Usually the arms are bruised though, because, like you're blocking stuff all the time. 

03:16 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Yo ultimate negative EV has to be playing catcher immensely. Nothing, anything. 

03:23 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You know what? It's worse than goalie. 

03:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Honestly, it is terrible. I don't know who wants to do it. There's nothing worse than standing in the on deck circle with like the, the shin pads on, like because there's two outs in the inning and you like have to get half ready. The guy before you gets on base and you're like gee, like couldn't you have grounded out or something, so I could don't. You got to take them off, go bat. And you're like gee, couldn't you have grounded out or something, so I could don't. You got to take them off, go bat. Now you're like now you feel extra pressure because if you're the last out of the inning, you got to go back to the dugout and get that gear on so quickly. Everyone's like come on, let's go. 

04:00
It's just a nightmare Men's league. I do like softball, but my friends they take this like way too seriously for the league. It's a fine league Like everybody's played baseball before. There's not a lot of errors in the field, it's good. But like these guys go nuts. Like we played a game where one of their guys got on base. One of their players is on base. He pulled a pack. He's smoking a dart got on base. One of their players is on base. He pulled a pack. He was smoking a dart at first base he took like three hacks and then put it up Like we do not need to take it. These guys don't care. Like the other team, I'm up to bat First. 

04:37
At bat of the day, first pitch Ripped it To right field, just happened to be direct liner, right at where the guy the right fielder was standing. Honestly, one of the hardest hit balls of my life. Okay, I'm walking back to the dugout. They're like ah, I gotta, gotta see some pitches. Gotta see, like dude, it was a pitch right down the middle of plate which I roped right at a guy. I gotta, I'm like gotta take pitch. Like this isn't major league baseball where guys are throwing 100 mile an hour fastball. You want to work, work the count a little bit, get the pitch count. Like this softball, they never replace the pitcher unless he's playing really badly. Like what is the point of not swinging at strikes? Anyways, that was my weekend. 

05:16 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I'm sore, a little bit upset, uh, but life goes on oh tough uh, yeah, I, I um, I've never played baseball, yeah can't say never once played in an organized game of ball. I definitely hit a couple liners and caught some. Pop flies on the beach, you know when I was younger, but uh never, never once, played in an organized game of baseball I gave up. 

05:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
When I was young. I played soccer and baseball at the same time and then I eventually got to be rep both and my dad was like well, actually I don't think I even got rep baseball, it was just soccer. But he's like we can't do both of these anymore. And I played soccer and then eventually it was soccer overlapping with summer hockey and it's like you got to pick one. I'm like I'll just play summer hockey. 

06:02 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Speaking of soccer baseball. Have you ever played soccer baseball? 

06:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, yeah, dude, what a game. We used to rent out the soccer center to play soccer baseball. What an absolutely incredible game. It's actually amazing. You just have to make sure that the bases are really far apart, or else it's way too easy to just leg out a grounder. No, but if you've ever played with guys that were like kind of good, where you can actually catch the, the kicks, oh yeah, it's amazing, what? What you should do is play the base. There should be no outfield. The base, the second base, should be in center field, deepest part of center field, because that way you have a lot of running to do in between. Or else it's so hard, especially with that dodgeball, like you, you you hit a grounder to a guy at third it on like a regular baseball field, you will beat it out every time. In soccer baseball there's no chance that guy's throwing from that, that he has to catch the ball and like throw that dodgeball across the dot. 

06:58
It ain't happening, it's not happening uh, all-time gym elementary school soccer baseball was really really fun back in the day, but anyways. 

07:07 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
We should do more drafts. We should do some more drafts. What drafts? Like what we did with the beer draft. The beer draft, the best elementary school game to play. 

07:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, elementary school yard games. Okay, my school yard games are very. I'm like a decade older than you, but did you? 

07:26 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
guys ever play red rover at school. 

07:27 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Oh yeah, you're talking to the red rover champ. 

07:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, but but but think about in hindsight how fucking dumb red rover is of a game. Oh, first of all, if you're like a skinny guy like I am, everyone's gonna run at you, no matter what toast you're toast, you're just. You're just like hoping your shoulder doesn't fall. Literally you're holding hands with some other person and just hoping you don't like, you don't break your shoulder. 

07:55 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It's all about where you position. You got to go high, yeah, you got to go high, and then they can't, they, they can't get by if a size matters a lot in that game, let's just put it that way. 

08:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's one we used to play Red Ass against the wall Very fun game. Just don't want to be the guy that has to go up and get whipped. 

08:12 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I don't know if that happens anymore. Did you ever? 

08:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
play British Bulldog. Oh, british Bulldog, what a banger. You know what? The worst game is for self-esteem of children has to be Duck Duck Goose. Because the fattest kid in the class always gets picked Like if you're walking around you don't know, duck, duck Goose. No. 

08:28
I never played it. It's a really young kid's game. You just walk around tapping people on the shoulder or head and you say Duck, duck, duck. As soon as you say Goose, that person has to get up you have to race around the circle and sit back down in the spot. 

08:48 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
That. How can anyone not? How can you not get back to the seat quick? 

08:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
well, yes because me and you are fast but like, if you're a big person, yeah, you're gonna. It's trouble getting around that circle against another, so it just turns into a gate, like I hate to say but one guy's starting from a standstill and he, he's you're pre're prepped, you're ready to jump? 

09:05 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, but he doesn't know it's going to be him, I know, but you're ready to go, so they run opposite directions and then you go to the thing. Yeah, I'd say it's a fine game. 

09:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not really. You're just picking out the heaviest person in the class all the time, because you know that even if they were standing, they can't beat you elementary school? 

09:23 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I swear I just played regular sports like football, little foot hockey, little foot hockey, little foot, hockey man. 

09:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What I would do for a game of, it's basically foot hockey is basically soccer with a tennis ball and the goalie takes off their jacket. 

09:36 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
No, and his cap, we used to be able to bring we used to be able to bring the composite sticks, the mini sticks for me I was old. I was young enough, I guess, for the mini sticks to come through in elementary school, so we'd use those. But then you get the kids who came with the like composite ones. You guys ever see those? 

09:52 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
yeah, I know, of course, those things, those were those were near the end of my many six days. But, bro, when the composites got involved, I'll say this. I'll be gladly saying this on the air. Listen, I'm decent. I'm pretty good at sports, like decent at all sports. You know some. I haven't played whatever but mini sticks. I was actually at a class of its own. Oh yeah, many sticks in many sticks. 

10:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm this isn't, this is not a joke, I'll tell you guys some stories after sticks at the old office. Very briefly, mini sticks is very fun. A hotel like mini sticks when you're with your hockey team away on like a road trip if it's mini, sticks with with body contact, which is what I played. 

10:28 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah I was legitimately a force to be reckoned with. 

10:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Dude, I was hacking people behind the plays all the time with the mini sticks. 2v2. How many times you get? You get hit in the nuts with a mini stick intentionally so how many times does someone hit you intentionally? It happens every game, game, yeah, 100%. It's part of their game. It's part of mini sticks is fun, but I can't do it anymore. I can't be on like your body just can't do these. I'm like I'm sure if you played mini sticks now you would feel it. Oh for sure for sure. 

11:08 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
But no, actually, no, I wouldn't, because I'm conditioned. Any sticks that I'll be, I'll be clean. You get up like the next day your knees are all burned but you guys don't even know the moves. I would pull, like rolling around on my back and stomach to like dive and go and one hand, and literally one hand, backhand something bar down on a mini net, like if they had highlights available, you guys would be bro. 

11:18 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
It would have been a legitimately highlight pack yeah, but if we did like uh rankings or something, there could be a draft. There could be some contention about what number one would be. 

11:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, the problem is like we're we're all Torontonians. We grew up in like greater Toronto area. Yeah, rob and I went to the same high school. Yeah, we went to the same high school. There are probably people listening to this and like the Southern U S right now and we do have a following there that like what the hell are these canadians taught foot hockey, where you take off your hat and your jacket and you're like yeah they have no clue, it's but those were like hat is your glove, is that is the literally essentially like your windbreaker, you take it off and you would have that in front of you. 

12:00
This is when I grew up and you just like use that to save things. And every now and then someone shoots it along the ground and your jacket's not directly on the ground, it just goes right under. You feel like such an idiot. Those were the days. Those were the days Speaking of 25 years ago. 25 years ago, 12 years old. I mean, this is a great segue by you right there. 25 years ago, pinnacle came into existence. People have been betting there ever since because it's a great sports book. Pro bettors know this, recreational bettors now know this as well Just a great product offering, most importantly for a lot of you watching out there. 

12:37
If you have trouble with limits, you're not going to have those problems. At Pinnacle, they post the limits right there for you. You know what you're going to get on every single wager and, of course, it's easy to get money in and out. Great betting menu as well. So check out Pinnacle if you haven't already. If you're in Canada, use code HAMMER to sign up. It does support us here on the Circles Off podcast. And of course, you must be 19 plus, not available in the US and, as always, please play responsibly. 

13:07
We got more questions Q&A questions that we got to go through Got a ton last week. Thank you everyone for submitting them. Appreciate all of that Gives us great content. The evolution of this program Remember when we first started? We talked about this before but me and you, kind of like, sat down and planned out these are all the topics we want to go through. After like 10 episodes we're like fuck man, this is going to be really hard. We're out of time. This makes it a lot easier to put together content. So do appreciate all of you out there who submit these questions because, honestly, a lot of them are good. Can't say all of them are. A lot of them are good and they give us some stuff to go through that might inform uh, you know better, inform your betting moving forward. 

13:48 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So we'll get into it we're getting into it right now. First one is the vig allocated differently to odds for favorites versus underdogs. I heard more vig is placed on the underdog slash low probability events. Do you recommend a specific method of removing VIG? 

14:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll leave this to you to answer. Okay, well, we've interviewed several bookmakers or former bookmakers on Circles Off before. It's pretty unanimous that they've talked about. Yes, it's not evenly distributed across all markets. For example, a boxing market, let's say, where you might have a minus 2,500 favorite, is very unlikely that a lot of recreational bettors are going to want to bet that favorite. So in some cases there might actually be zero VIG on that favorite and all the VIG is attached to the underdog. We don't really have a way of knowing exactly what it is for each individual bet. You can kind of price shop around different sportsbooks as well. That might give you a little bit of a hint, but there are a lot of instances, yes, where the VIG is more substantial on one side than the other. 

15:00 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, I'll leave it at that. I don't have too much to add there. 

15:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
In terms of a specific method of removing margin, there's tons of D-Vig calculators out there nowadays, Like there's tons. There's one in the Discord that we have. There's all sorts you can just. I mean, it's a quick Google, but yeah, you can use a D-Vig-er. 

15:18 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I'm modeling one here for Rob. Hey guys, big fan of the show, appreciate how you've helped me get um, how you've helped me get from beginner to still bad, but not a beginner. How do you approach games where your model heavily disagrees with the public's perception? Does public sentiment ever cause you to doubt your model or do you rely strictly on the math? 

15:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
um, I don't know that. I fully get that question Like what do you do when your model disagrees with public perception? First and foremost, I actually don't even give a shit about public perception. That's the real truth. I've talked about this. There is a video here on the Circles Off channel which is stop using public bet percentages. It's where I talk about. 

16:04
You talk about the reasons for not doing that, but, simply put I say this all the time right, people want to be on the side of the sportsbook because the general consensus amongst a lot of the rec bettors casual bettors is like well, the sportsbooks always win. So whenever the sportsbook needs a side, I want to be on that side. The problem is, if I want to bet a team, let's use an example from two weeks ago Sunday night football. It was a heavy public versus. You know it was Chiefs Falcons, yeah, and it was everyone's betting the Chiefs sports books-Falcons At minus three, minus 110. That means the sportsbook is getting the other side. They're getting Falcons plus three, plus 110. That's the key Plus three plus 110. If you want to bet the Falcons in that game, you don't get plus 110. You pay minus 110. This is why I've never cared about the public is on this, because you're getting a very different price from the sports book. At plus 110, the sports book only needs 47.6% to break even. At minus 110, you need 52.4%. It's almost a 5% difference, so I don't care about that. 

17:39
So for me, I've always been modeling games. I get my outputs, I get my number and then I just bet them whenever they're different from market. Now if it's substantially different, I might look into it a little bit more and be like okay, why is my number this far off? I think that's important to do, but I have never, as a successful bettor, I have never put stock into the public's opinion. I will occasionally put stock into the market's opinion. If you're betting something the market's moving against you regularly, like, then you gotta start saying "'Okay, I gotta take notice. Like, why am I getting bad numbers on all these NFL games'? Right, but public percentage, what regular people are betting what the sportsbook is rooting for? Never in since I I transitioned from a rec better to someone who actually earns from betting, I've never considered it and you're right to do so. 

18:38 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I think I mean people argue with me about it listen. 

18:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
even we had trench on and he said there there is a little bit of signal for him. In public bet percentages, every now and then, when used appropriately, they can be successful. I posted a tweet a few weeks back. I took three sites. I took Action Network, I took VEASAN, I took pregame. I went to look at the public bet percentages for games there. They are so wildly different than one another. It's the same game. People are now responding to me and saying that there's reasons for this. It's just how do you use this information to be valuable when one site's reporting 86% of bets on one side and another's reporting 78% of bets on another side and we're late in the week? What are you doing there? I'll tell you what you're doing. You're picking the site that's gonna validate. Whichever team you like is likely what you're doing, but it's-. 

19:40 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You know, what's also funny is like, let's say it was between like a couple of sharp bookmakers there's like Pinnacle and another sharp bookmaker and each of them was shading one side. Then they actually would have more handle on that side that they're shading. Yes, so like it's possible that sharp book A has 91% on the Eagles, sharp book B has 91% on the Falcons, for example, because that's actually like they're shading that side, the best price and market on that side, anyone who's sharp and who wants a bet size is going to go take that number there. So it makes sense that they'd even be different across books, which is even funnier. 

20:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I feel very strongly about this. I said in last week's episode, you have to try not to think in absolutes, and I do agree. There's exceptions to the rule for everything, so I won't state this as an absolute, but probably upwards of 99% of the time. If you're watching sports betting content, you're scrolling through Twitter and someone is basing their opinion on a game, on what the public bet percentages are or where the handle is or how the line is moved. They're not worth listening to. I feel very, very strongly about that, like the people, especially when you're using, when you're waiting for the market to move to tell you who the sharps are on and then you're betting it at the worst price that no other sharps are now betting it already lost, you've lost, so like just avoid that that crap? 

21:00 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
uh, quick one. This is just about the same amount of value. Do you believe in any betting curses, like the idea that you'll lose if you talk too confidently about this team before it hits? 

21:16 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
I'll actually take this one quick Okay. 

21:19 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I don't believe in any betting curses. Obviously, However, you will not see me grading a bet as a win before it's officially over. 

21:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Agreed. Are you familiar with Pascal's wager? No, you ever heard of that concept. So it's about believing in God and I'm not making this like a religious thing, but it's like, okay, let's draw out like the possibilities here. Right, you don't believe in God and God doesn't exist. What did you get out of it? Like nothing. Basically. You don't believe in God, god does exist and you don't get an afterlife. Well, now you're screwed. You believe in God and God exists. You're happy. You believe in God and God doesn't exist. What was the downside? Like you believed in God, type of thing. I kind of feel like that. 

22:11
This is so stupid, and I know how stupid this sounds, but I have some superstitions. When it comes to sports betting, I've talked about it. I had a trip to Scotland before where I had the lowest and this is not to the lowest amount of euros. I was carrying in my pocket were $50 euros, and I passed by like a couple of homeless people. I had to give them a 50 euros because I had so much NHL action that night that I thought, if I don't give this person this money now I'm toast. I'm toast. It's things like that. It plays with my mind, but my whole thing is like yeah, I kind of do, I bounce around where I sit on an NFL Sunday, like if I'm sitting in a spot and things start to go poorly, I move to another spot on my couch. I don't know why I do this, but in my head I feel like I know it's so stupid. 

23:01 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It makes you feel better about it. 

23:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I do kind of I don't believe in curses, but I don't dismiss them as nonsense, because what if they are real? I don't want to mess with the gambling. 

23:13 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I prematurely grade losers as losers. 

23:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Same. 

23:17 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So let's say I have like a minus 16 and a half in football and the game's tied going into the fourth. I'm like, oh, this lost, I'll grade it as a loser, even though, like you know, there's technically you know you get touchdown, pick six, garbage time, field goal. You can do it right. And but if the team was up, if I had the exact same scenario where I had a plus 17 and a half and it's going into the fourth quarter tied, I'm like I will not grade that as a hundred percent I'm with. 

23:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I grade nfl losers in the first quarter. I'm not exaggerating, I'm like. I will not grade that as a hundred percent. I'm with. I grade nfl losers in the first quarter. I'm not exaggerating, I'm like, because then I can look at my balance sheet and be like okay, it's not looking good and it can only be better and you know what I'm like. 

23:54
okay, you know what, if it goes this way and I I lose x amount, it's gonna suck. But now when I lose less than that feels great Because I thought I was going to be down so much. Or you get like the one game that swings in your favor. Two weeks ago, rams 49ers. I was big on the Rams and you know I marked that an L. It was 14-0, 49ers. I'm like Rams are toast dude. They're done. They come back. They win the game that. 

24:20 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
but I do. I was on the other side and I didn't market a dub. Yeah, there you go. 

24:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I do. I would be lying to you. If I didn't put some, it's not because I believe in it. Let me clarify that. I know that this is dumb, I know the superstitions are stupid, but there's like the what if? What if it's not? It's like such a small chance that it like, but what if? 

24:48 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
so I'll give you another example. Actually for the same thing. When I'm let's say so, let's say I'm, uh, we're down in a bet, I'm losing a bet and, um, like you're talking about it with buddies, say, you, say you have, let's say you each have the same bet, and you're like, okay, how can we win this? You're always going to talk about it. You're going to be like okay, we, basically we need to kick off for a turn here, get a stop. Three outs, quick three and out. Go here, get it, go for two, send it to OT. It's not dead. Like we still can cover the four and a half, something like that. 

25:18
You're going to say something stupid, right, but if it's the other way around, you're never going to be like, oh, how can I lose this? Oh, I can still lose this. Actually, if it goes to like OT. And then you don't want to talk about that. You don't want to talk about the fact that the other team could come get a two-point conversion and then beat you in OT and the things like you'll just leave that, like I don't want to talk about this. This play is just like okay, come on, missed two-point conversion, comeback field goal. We covered. 

25:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I wish I could say that I agree with you, but I don't. I think of every possible way. 

25:50 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I could lose. Those are bad, those will kill you. What if it hits against you? It kills you, you know. 

25:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't remember the Pinnacle head trader's name. I've met him before. I should remember the head live guy. But I've met many people from Pinnacle before. It's been Toronto based meetups. 

26:08
I like a lot of people that work for the company. I consider some of them my friends and I always ask them, like what makes this live trader so good for Pinnacle? Like why I mean if you've done any studies on live odds or anything like that Pinnacle truly has like some of the sharpest in market altogether and they're like this guy is like Rain man with the way that he can see like certain outcomes unfolding in games. Like a team will be on their own 20 yard line and he's already pricing the probability in his head of like them taking a safety based off of the score in the game and stuff like that line, and he's already pricing the probability in his head of like them taking a safety based off of the score in the game and stuff like that. And he's able to do this all in real time. 

26:50
I'm kind of like that. Like I can, I just see the stuff happening, all the outcomes, whether I'm winning, whether I'm losing when I'm winning. It's the way that I can lose when I'm winning, whether I'm losing. When I'm winning, it's the way that I can lose. When I'm losing, it's the way that I can win, and you just, I don't know, it's the way the mind works sometimes, and you just go from there, just go from there. 

27:12 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, a couple other questions. We got to knock through some of these here. So this guy's asking, saying he's got a couple like exchange books now, where the pricing is. I mean he's saying it's minus 03 plus 03. I would encourage you, first off, to like add on the commissions involved in those as well, because it's never going to be minus 03 plus 03, but let's say minus 05 plus 02, whatever, even something like that. Still very tight, tight juice there. But what he's saying is like those are both best site, best price in market, so on each of those. 

27:42
So how does he know which side to bet? And honestly, it's a good question. But I'd say that the answer there is you have to identify which books in the market are the sharp books and then you got to identify how much you need to beat those in order to win and profit. So just taking like the midpoint average of one of the books and then saying, oh, this is the better than the midpoint average of one book, like that's oftentimes for the major markets, I'd say it's a losing strategy. You really want to take an average of like seven of the sharpest books and if you're beating the midpoint average of all of those by a certain margin, then you might be okay, yep totally agree with that. 

28:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
In some case listen again not in apps. In some cases one or two books will work. But I would recommend, with Johnny Like, if you know that XYZ are market-making books or sharp in this particular bet type or whatever, you're gonna wanna look at all of them and try to do like a consensus number, true line, so to speak. 

28:48 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Exactly, exactly. Is adjusting your priors more of a science or art form? How do you know when your priors are incorrect? Seeing as how I don't really do too much of this these days, rob it's up to you. 

29:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I want to preface this by saying that I answer a lot of questions on this show. Some of the questions could potentially give away some edges that I have in sports. There are people who are of the opinion that priors are extremely important, especially in the NFL. This has to be an NFL-related question. I think it's probably NFL. This has to be an NFL-related question. I think it's probably NFL Probably, where they'll stick to their priors for like six, seven, eight weeks and then slowly start moving off of those into this year's data. 

29:34
There's people that are of another school of thought where once a season starts, they've seen a few games, they think that they know what the teams are and they forget about the priors. I think the answer to a lot of questions in sports betting, especially for the NFL, are team dependent, so I wouldn't treat every single team the same. One of my pet peeves is like when people say, well, just, you know, apply one and a half points of home field advantage for this team. It's like no, it's not the same for every team in every game period. There are times where home field advantage might be worth nothing. There are times where it might be worth more. Same would go with priors. 

30:16
I would look at personnel from the year before, I would look at coaching from the year before specifically. You know and this is just common sense but if a team is returning all of their entire coaching staff from the previous year, and the quarterback as well, it's likely that the priors are going to matter a lot more because they're less likely to diverge from their previous season all that much, whereas if it's a team with new OC, new DC, new quarterback, like you're prior on that team, who gives a shit at that point? So I would say the answer is team dependent. That's how I approach it. I don't really want to give away more than that, but that should be more than enough to get you thinking about it. 

31:02 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Interesting. It's cool with all this stuff. It's like you can try to model a lot of the stuff and price it. I don't know if that's what you need to do with anything, but a lot of it is just like you know, potentially even news-based stuff too. Like if you can see how teams are talking about different like early on in the season. At least you know how are they talking about different schemes, different things. For sure News-based. 

31:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I do want to point out, like this might not be the right answer, this is my. This is my reality. I've been modeling sports for I don't know, uh, even less than a decade successfully, like eight years successfully. Um, this is my reality, what works for me. Somebody might listen to this who's a strong originator in the nfl and be like what the hell is rob talking about? This is so stupid and that's their opinion. This is what works for me. So it's tough to answer these questions, but personally I think priors matter in some capacity. You can't get carried away by a one or two game sample size a lot of times in the NFL, but there's going to be situations where you do have to move on and say, like this is not the same team we saw last year, no matter what our numbers tell us going into the year. So there is some subjectivity to that. Your goal is to try to like remove the subjectivity and make it a science, but I think you need to evaluate on a per team basis question for rob um. 

32:22 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You talked about the pros and cons of content creation in the betting space. Does creating content impact your own betting strategy? Like, are there bets you don't make because they might seem too contrarian to your audience? 

32:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Actually, that's a really good question. So, yeah, the answer is that yes. So, like I bet frequently, big favorites Minus 1,000. This player not to score a goal. 

32:48 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, you just don't want to give those out on the show. 

32:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, first of all it's not necessarily the First of all I don't want somebody to tail that bet, lose it and then potentially press on other stuff. 

33:06 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Worst thing you can do is give out a bet on a random ass guy Jonathan, class A, no home run, minus 1,300, and he hits a homer. You're in the worst spot ever. 

33:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, I will say I've lost tons of these bets, Tons of them Overall. You might even be up, but just giving that out it doesn't. 

33:25 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I'm definitely up on these bets, tons of them Overall. You might even be up, but just giving that out it doesn't, yeah, I'm definitely up on these bets. 

33:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It doesn't work, or else I wouldn't bet them. I think there, like somebody asked about the VIG on big favorites and like in a lot of these cases, betting the minus 1,000, minus 2,000 outcome is valuable, you get to a point where, okay, yeah, maybe I don't want to go minus 8,000 on Purdue, money line type of thing, you know, because at that point there's negative EV to give that out on media. But that's it too Like so. 

33:54 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Wait, remember we had the running joke going where, like everyone would ask for like a bet and be like yeah, max home a no, no win. 

34:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That was, that was that was. That was like 5500. That was a running. I think it was pat. 

34:11 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
It was julian packer, ceo cto of bet stamp who made that joke and homo won the first tournament after yeah, I would come in the office in the morning and packer would be like you know what the best bet on the board is today? Max homa no win, minus no win at the Texas Valero. 

34:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Open. I don't remember what tournament it was, but he definitely won it that week, which is hilarious yeah can't give those out, it does impact me because Negative free roll For me. 

34:36
I've lost so many of those in my life. Seriously, I've lost so many of those that I'm kind of numb to the pain of losing one because I know pretty strongly I'm kind of numb to the pain of losing one because I know pretty strongly I'm going to win in the long run by betting. You know finding an edge and betting those. However, it does suck when you give it out. Other people tail. They may not have proper bankroll management. They may hold it against you. It's now public record and everyone that hates you on the internet is going to point to that forever. 

35:10
It 100% impacts what I give and don't give out. You know, a few weeks ago I was gonna give out Carolina as a best bet instead of Tennessee. It would have won. But like I did not want I had already used Carolina as a best bet in week one of the season they got smoked. I'm like I had already used Carolina as a best bet in week one of the season they got smoked. I'm like I can't give this out because of what could possibly happen in this game. It does impact you. It really does. 

35:36 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So you just couldn't deal with another like a loss and people being like wow, this guy sucks. 

35:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's a complete idiot. Like we already get that and I don't care. Like I think the people who watch this show and they watch our other Hammer content, I don't know, I mean they might be tailing for the picks, they might be for the analysis of other winning people who do this for a living or bet semi-professionally. There's reasons people consume content. But on my end it's a fair question and it's true you do think about the perception as much as I shouldn't when I bet on my own I don't care If I make a bad bet and it loses by 50 points. 

36:16
I move on to the next bet. That's how I personally deal with it. It sucks, but I've now moved on because I've had so many of those in my life before. That's not the way the average person takes it, so it does make it challenging. Honestly, it really does make it challenging. 

36:32 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Do you guys want to hear something good, quick, just based on the no's you guys are talking about. I get some funny DMs from people who listen to this hit the books and edge work and I appreciate those. Keep them coming. But this guy DMed me one time and he said that he has been priming accounts by just full fading book at Trent's uh cards and he's like it actually seems to be working whatever he sends me this one the one day and book at Trent put out a four leg. No home run parlay in the summer no chance they all, they all, they all hit a home run. 

37:03
I remember that that day Four for four Home runs. And then it was like a while later the guy I think he did like a two-man no home run parlay. And the guy sent me again he goes no way. This hits again. Hit again On the reverse yes, home runs, yeah. 

37:20 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I thought it was funny. That's a feat to be studied. 

37:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The other thing, too, is I do this for my livelihood, like I bet for money, like people all the time are like, oh yeah, like my money comes from betting. So you also have to toe the line with what you can and can't give away, like I already hit an SGP this year which I'm not doing this to pat myself on the back, I'm just doing it to tell a story. If I hit an SGP this year which I'm not doing this to pat myself on the back, I'm just doing to tell a story but I hit an SGP on a forward progress live watch along. That has been an edge for a while, which now everybody knows is an edge and it's fine, I don't care. I'm actually glad other people were able to tail and win some money off that, but the edge still exists. It's not shut down yet but I can tell you that it reduced the likelihood of it staying yeah yeah, for sure, for sure. 

38:13
All these things matter, so I take them all into consideration. It's a balance of providing people with real value, versus, one, not making yourself look like an asshole and two, trying to preserve some edges. There's lots of edges in sports. I can't just go and give away every single one. No, of course. 

38:34 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Good question here that came in was where and how do syndicates place their bets? Guessing, not in your typical commercial books like DK. Also, safe to say, they bet them early for the game, yada, yada, yada. And this is something where I think we get a ton of questions. I mean, literally our biggest question now, I'd say, is like hey, I got limited on this book, what do I do? You know, I can't play. I can only play like 60 bucks and only $100. I want to bet $1,000. What can I do? And I think a lot of people don't necessarily know this and there's probably not too much I can say on the air here. Feel free to DM if you have any other questions. 

39:11
But there are a lot of books that will not limit you, and one of them and the one we recommend the most, we couldn't recommend higher enough is Pinnacle, which is our show sponsor. You can beat Pinnacle or lose to Pinnacle. They will not treat you any differently and they will not cut you off. Or lose to Pinnacle, they will not treat you any differently and they will not cut you off. And what I mean by that is like even on props, even on. You know, whatever you want, whatever you think you can. You know steam chase top down you can have it and they'll always honor that limit. There are also a lot of other. You know different books like that in the space, maybe you know, potentially in the offshore space, not necessarily in the regulated space, that will not limit you and if you can combine and sometimes it's really hard to get these accounts, but if you can combine five or six of these, you actually will be able to have a decent. 

39:56
Let's say you put them all on a screen. Then let's say you want to take some shots at NFL or college football or college basketball or NBA even. You can basically line shop at these books and these are ones that are not going to limit you and you can have your pick within maybe minus O2, minus O2 aside, and I think at that level it's possible to win sustainably if you have a little edge, it might be. You don't have to necessarily model these games from the ground up. You might have a little edge in something you found with some referees or some home court or some travel rest or something like that, where you know how to beat NBA. And at that level where you're betting potentially into a minus one, oh one minus one, oh one, or maybe minus oh two minus oh two it's actually possible to gain an edge and win, and that's actually sustainable. Earn is those books are not going to cut you off. 

40:40
So if you want to learn, I mean like there's not really too much I can say, and it's not books that, um, you know, are in the regulated market outside of pinnacle, which is, which is the one that everyone, if you're in Canada, should be signing up for right away, because that's one out that you need to have, uh, but if you're looking to learn more, potentially shoot a message and we might be able to help you out, depending on your level. 

41:01
But it's uh, it's something that not a lot of people talk about in this space, not a lot of people know about, but there is a way for guys who are sharp to try to get down more money. But, like I said and this is another one, don't expect to go, be signing up at these shops and then having crazy SGPs and touchdown scores that you can take advantage of, and it's like, yeah, you're not going to be able to just easily beat them on shitty player props like you can do with all these other books You're going to have to find something. It'll be mostly major markets and stuff like that, but it's possible to add that as an additional earn. 

41:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The challenge with this question is that it references syndicates, right? Syndicates are very different. They could be a two-man operation that's looking to bet 5,000 to 10,000 a game. It could be a 40-man operation that's looking to bet a million a game. It could be anything. 

41:56
I think the common theme with syndicates is trying to fill the volume that they need at the best possible price. Sometimes that will happen with recreational sports books. It can happen you lose accounts. But hey, you know what. This book is off market. I log in, I can hit it for a couple of dimes. I might take that. Sometimes it happens with sharp books, sometimes it happens with exchanges, sometimes it's PPH, whatever. But it really comes down to what you're betting, how much volume you need. And there's people that will bet exclusively into sharp books because, hey, if I need 5,000 on a game, I can fill that just by betting pinnacle. But if I need 50,000 on a game early in the week, okay, that's a different story. Now I got to take first. I got to bet into the outs that are not going, are not gonna move the market and I gotta take as much as I can get on those that could be pph shops, but there's also books that'll take 100. 

42:55
A click on nfl that are not sure, but say you're let's as an example, say you're betting um monday nfl and you want to fill 50k just right with, with, literally with, like a nice array of accounts. 

43:08 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, um, that again, most people that listen to this will not have, and will not have, access to it's a cheap but with a nice array of accounts you can fill, I'd say, 50k a monday on monday, and then probably, like you know, 100 on wednesday, more than that, and then on sunday you're filling. I mean it'd be tough to keep pricing and get like three mil, but like, yeah, you can easily, easily, easily. If you're filling, I mean it'd be tough to keep pricing and get like three mil, but like, yeah, you can easily, easily, easily. If you're price sensitive, you can easily fill a hundred thousand. 

43:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh yeah, without a doubt, it's very, it's very achievable. The only point I'm making is it just really depends on what you're betting. Like you know, the biggest syndicate I know they're they're betting in every single place humanly possible. Like they're betting in every single place humanly possible. Like they're betting so much money on a game that they have to bet it everywhere. And they're going to start with places that aren't going to move the line. Because, like you know, if you bet into pinnacle and other market making books first, well, guess what? The rest of the books on the planet are just going to copy those lines anyways, and now you've not fulfilled the bet at those. So they might actually start by betting the recreational outs. They're seeding exchanges, they're getting everything that they can and then, boom, they blast the market at once. So it depends, right, because every syndicate is very different, exactly. 

44:19 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Exactly Another one here and this is, you know, actually this kind of relates A lot of people asking about the sweepstakes stuff. After we had the big, big buck hunter on the Novig exchange there People are asking like if these sites are trustworthy. So I do want to like mention stuff on there. You got to do your own research. With anything. Ok, if you are betting into the regulated market meaning you want to bet at a site that's regulated by the governing entity of your state or region you still have risk with that because we've seen what these regulators will do there. 

44:53
It's not necessarily like every issue is being solved. We had our friend matt plus cv analytics on here. He talked about his case where he was clearly in the right, got got screwed out of some money, even in a regulated industry. So anytime you're depositing money anywhere, anytime you're playing anywhere, you have to be careful and you have to do your own analysis and research on what you think is good. Playing in a regulated industry is what we would recommend because it is the most safe. It is the most safe for getting your money and making sure that they're not going to stiff you and they're going to pay up. But even that is not guaranteed. 

45:27
So what I would say is, if you wanted to explore these sweepstakes or offshores, you need to treat them with caution and make sure you're doing your own research if you're going to go. Do that, because some of these could easily go out of business and stiff you the money, and we saw a lot of this with the DFS companies. You had a couple of the main ones that are still running and they're paying out, and then you had a couple of smaller ones where they started losing some money Like whoops okay, balance is gone, deposit's gone. Stiffing players I won this. Well, they're not even responding on customer service. You have nowhere to go, you have nothing to do. No reflection on, like the big buck hunter or novig which we just had on that like omit this from the conversation. This is a general piece of advice for me is wherever you're depositing money, make sure you're actually doing some research and analysis onto that, because you it's your money and you don't want to just get stiffed or lose money yep, I'm with you. 

46:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, yeah, just really well said I mean this. This this happens. Right Like I was stiffed a large amount from a sports book in the offshore space which I'm not even going to name the name, but a lot of people were that happens. You just got to be careful where you play and a lot of it's risk reward as well. Right Like, don't let balances get too high, things of that nature. But with this model in particular, there's a legal opinion that's out there on sweepstakes models it's allowed, but you're not dealing with a regulated sports book, so treat it the same way you would an offshore Yep. 

46:56 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I agree and make your own decision from there? Yeah, fair enough there, fair enough. What else we got here, rob? How do you differentiate between variance and genuinely bad bets? In other words, what metrics or mental checks do you use to determine if a losing streak is bad luck or a flaw in your process? 

47:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, good question. Depends on what you bet. Again, first and foremost, the only thing I'll say for future q and a's if you provide specifics it's a lot easier. Uh, major markets can be different from props. I still use closing line value as a really solid indicator. 

47:35
But I like to to come up with secondary metrics for every sport. So, for example, I do my own um expected score for nfl when it's done, so I can take the box score. I remove some garbage time plays, strip that out of the play-by-play data and I run some analysis to say this is what the score should have been based off of this final. So you can run some checks on that. Hockey, I do the same thing. 

48:03
There's expected goals out there. There's some public models. They're not great but they give a decent enough indicator of whether or not you should have won your bet, what the probability was of winning. So, closing line value plus some secondary metrics that measure luck, I would say wherever possible and I track as much of that as possible and I just start to look for if I'm ever going off the rip, like if I notice, hey, like these results are, you know, I've been getting really lucky here I might go back to the drawing board and be like okay, is there something to this? Is it just variance? But I like a combo of that. 

48:43 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Oh, fair enough. I think the only advice I'd have is just track everything and then just play around with it on like a slicer or on on your bet stamp account, for example, like go into the analysis tool, do, sort by all the filters and see what you can find. The only advice I really have is that track and figure it out. Obviously, clv is a good indicator, but at the end of the day let's say you're if you're like, oh, I'm 30% on this and you're betting straights, then yeah, you're definitely not expected to lose 30%, but chances are you're probably still doing something wrong if it's over a long enough sample size. So just be careful. Don't attribute everything to variance. Good or bad, it converges to the norm quicker than I think a lot of people understand. 

49:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, it's a common mistake that a casual better makes is that they think that when they're losing this, this is like a fundamental flaw with every rec better. When you're losing it's you're unlucky, but when you're winning you're on a hot streak. You're seeing the board clearly. Like that doesn't matter unless you're measuring closing line value, any secondary metrics. You actually have no idea whether you're lucky or unlucky. And, by the way, like don't even get me started on the hot streak and cold streak like oh, I'm seeing the board clearly this week, guys like you gotta tail my picks. I'm nine to know. It's like it's just, it's, it's nothing, it's you're not doing anything differently from what you were previously doing hilarious. 

50:04 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Uh, a couple more and then we'll close up here. Hey guys, I've had a really tough time figuring out which books, uh, which book or books are sharp when it comes to player props. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, listen, we have the player props tool. Yeah, that does it all for you. It's expensive but it wins the best advice I can give you on that question. Answer it, um, dm us, email contact at betstampapp or dm us or dm betstamp. Set up a meeting on the player props tool. Take a look at it and, uh, that's going to help you beat player props at like a significantly higher margin than anything you're going to do on your own. We have that available. Yeah, so that is a plug, but that's, it is what it is. That's the main thing. If you really wanted to do on your own, we have that available. Yeah, so that is a plug, but that's, it is what it is. That's the main thing. 

50:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you really wanted to do this work for yourself it's extremely cumbersome You'd have to get a line histories of like whatever prop market you're analyzing from every sports book and then run some error metrics on those like, basically determine which one had a higher correlation with success over the long run. It's not easy to do. It's above a lot of people's pay grade. It's really hard to find those data sets for one. A lot of them have, like broken prop data. So I mean, listen. 

51:21 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
I also have all the answers but I just don't give them out for free, and we don't give them out at all. 

51:25 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Actually, you can use the tool and it'll be in there, but it's, it's not even like you can just go back. I'll say one thing like we've done the research and it's actually different for every sport and market type, right, so you can't just say like, oh, it's pinnacle sharp on player props. Like, yeah, they're, they're relatively sharp, but other books, um, that offer other bet types, are sharper on those bet types. And this all factors in basically just like a variety of line history over the past couple of years. And when you really start to dig and drill into it, there's reasons as to why certain books might be sharper on certain bet types. And those are just conclusions that people can draw once they actually get into it. But for the most part, if you're looking for you know, hey, which books are the sharpest, and it's just like a recreational thing you're doing the sharp books for the other things are still the sharp books for props. Just, you can drill down into it and really start to win more than that One. 

52:17
One last question and then we'll get into plus EV, minus EV. So I really like I wish I actually thought of this question myself If you woke up tomorrow, back to the day you turned 18, what's the first thing you would bet Like Biff in Back to the Future. Never saw that movie. Is that a thing you don't know? Back to the Future no, I never watched it. 

52:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's before your time, so I won't put. 

52:38 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Like Biff in Back to the Future, but without the almanac, and all you have is your memories and, presumably at 18, a paltry bankroll. How do you get rich, bearing in mind that as soon as you act, it could cause the timeline to deviate from your original timeline that you remember? 

52:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow, I didn't see this question beforehand. It's very loaded. So okay, if you woke up tomorrow, back to the day you turned 18. 

53:05 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So you're 18, you have the same like money and everything as the time you're 18, but you have the knowledge you have. Now, how do you make money? Well, that's obvious. If you're gonna just go into like investing in Bitcoin and stuff like that, or like investing stuff that went up. 

53:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I'm gonna assume this is just-. Well, you have your memories, you know what's going to happen, so I'll tell you right now. This is very easy. 

53:25 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You just bet this parlay the championship winners for all the games. Yeah, massive parlay, sure At every book and just make like literally billions. 

53:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I was 18 in 2004. Do you remember who won the Euros in 2004? Greece. 

53:41 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Greece did there you go At like 150 to 1. 

53:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would have bet, like Greece, everywhere, and if I could parlay them with other championship winners, I'd do like I can't think of another bigger payout, but that's definitely the way to max. I was always thinking the problem though. Here's the problem If I did that when I was 18, it would be street books, it would be offshore, you wouldn't have got paid. I wouldn't have got paid on shit dude, I wouldn't have got paid. I wouldn't have got paid on shit dude, I wouldn't have got paid on shit. There was no regulated market where they had to pay me and I could parlay these winners. So it's actually way more complicated question. I would have had to bet it literally at pinnacle at the time because they were like paying out regularly. 

54:18
You wouldn't have won that much, but that much Like a max bet on Greece to win the Euros. 

54:24 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Wow, the euros. Wow, I was thinking if you just knew the results for like tonight's games, you had the box scores already pulled. Yeah, how much do you think you could make realistically? 

54:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
oh, tonight's games, if I were doing like major league baseball. 

54:36 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
No, no, all you know is you have the access to the box score for the two. Let's say it's a double monday night football game. Okay, you have the access to the box scores for those two Monday night football games. So you can do whatever you want. You can SGP anything. You can bet in straights, you can bet the games. You can parlay just those two games. You know the exact results. You can parlay with other stuff that you don't know the results of. So I have to think about one how much money? 

55:03
I have liquid right now, and how much money can you get access to within the next five hours? 

55:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, because you would use your entire network 50 million, easy. 

55:15 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Okay, I was going to say I think I could make wait definitely more than 50 million. 

55:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Easy. 

55:20 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
That's just like my own 50 million. I can make 50 million on my own. Sure, 50 million is like using your entire network, like me messaging Rob and saying, hey, here are the two box scores. You go nuts, that's gonna be an additional. Because what? Yeah, yeah, but again no. But how would you trust me, though? 

55:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, first of all, you're not gonna tell your buddies I know what the final, the box scores are gonna be, because, for one, they going to think you're in an insane person, like you're going to think if you had the box scores and you could just do correlated SGPs or in correlated SGPs, but I couldn't do that when I was 18. 

55:53 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
That's the problem. Right now, though, let's say today, yeah, even if your account was severely limited and all you can bet was five dollars, you don't need to do. 

56:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You could literally do five dollars, up to a million but you don't need to do correlated SGgps, you just need to find the extremes so like if a player goes off for 150 receiving yards, you can play them all to receiving yards over on everything. If a player gets two sacks, you can put them like yeah, no, no exact. 

56:16 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You can do the exact score of the game and put that in your parlay, that alone will just bump it. Yeah, yeah, it's exact score you could do like. Then you know you could do anything you can do like first touchdown score, last touchdown score, all the, any times two plus all in one parlay with the exact score with all receiving, like do this one pile of your dollar to win, like you, just whatever the player to score td in second. 

56:40 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
You would single-handedly like you. You could bet, you would literally bankrupt the sportsbook industry. 

56:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, like you could actually take so much money that you could break the industry. 

56:51 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm not exaggerating, you could bankrupt the stocks Like you could bankrupt the companies. 

56:56 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
I would have a good year to go back to it 18, I was 20, I was 18, it was 2016. You know what year that was for the NBA Cavaliers down 3-1. 

57:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Cavs down 3 one nba finals oh yeah, yeah, uh, I'm fascinating if you. What year did lester win the epl? 

57:15 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
oh yeah but you don't even need this like. This is bad, like getting the futures results. It's not about. All you need is the results of. All you need is the box score for one nfl game. That'll make you more money than knowing every other championship. 

57:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But Lester was like absurd, like we're talking 500 to one 5,000 to one. 

57:32 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, it wouldn't be 5,000 to one, it was 5,000 to one. 

57:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They were brought up from the division below Legends. Yeah, it will never. Say never. Don't speak in absolutes, but it's very, very unlikely to ever happen again. That was 2015-16. You would only need to bet. Why would I waste any time betting anything else? I'll just bet that literally everywhere and ride off into the sunset at the end of the year. 

57:55 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
But that's only 5,000 to one. 

57:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I know, but you're betting it everywhere. 

57:59 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yes, but does that change the outcome of the game? Does that change If you're gonna literally win a billion dollars? If they win and these books can't pay out, does that change the outcome? 

58:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I don't know stuff getting into a lot food for thought plus ev. 

58:16 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Minus ev moves of the week. I got the first one here. Negative ev move of the week is posting a screenshot of a bet on twitter and this is why you literally can't win. There's no upside to doing it and only downside. A guy who we've had on the podcast, mr limited, had an amazing tweet weeks ago it's one of the best tweets, but basically, no matter what you post online, you're going to get flamed for it. 

58:46
If you post a screenshot where the limits were like you know it's $100. Everyone's going to be like ha-ha, you're betting $100. If you post $20,000, they're going to say ha-ha, the sportsbook let you bet $20,000. You're a square. If you win it, they're going to be like why are you posting this online pumping your wins? If you lose it, they're going to be like hi, you suck at betting. There's no upside. And the thing that got me the most on his tweet was actually the funniest part. He's like and if it's everything where it's like you found something, it's a good bet, it's a plus. If you move, it wins everything good. They're then going to be like why are you blowing up edges on Twitter? Yep. So basically, posting a screenshot online is just completely negative EV. Nothing good can come of it. 

59:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
How do you feel about blacking out, obviously, the ticket number? Don't post a ticket. People ask all the time like why not post it? So again, when I was, the number is zero on the board. But when I was consulting for books, if somebody posted like a bet at one of the books and they had the ticket number, you could find it. Like this Instantaneous trader can go find it. Limit boom, like see you later. Don't post that. If you bet a spread in an NFL game for a hundred bucks, there's hundreds of other people who have bet it for the same amount as you. It's very hard to track that down. As soon as you have the account ticket number, easy, easy hide the ticket number. But what if you just hide the bet amount? What if you just black out the bet amount? 

01:00:12 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
on the ticket. But if you're gonna black out the bet amount I would and you're gonna black out the ticket number, then just don't even post a screenshot. Just post, say, I bet the raiders because you, because you could have very well bet every side, every game for for $1. 

01:00:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But happy responses are going to be slip question mark. That's the new thing now. 

01:00:27 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
But here's what I'm saying If I really want to be a hero, then, using that, I'll just bet every game either side for $1. 

01:00:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's the Vegas. 

01:00:34 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Dave. 

01:00:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And then I'll just put all the winners. 

01:00:37 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
And I'll just black out the bet amounts. 

01:00:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's the Vegas. Dave Bet every single MLB team to win the World Series for like a thousand bucks. The Vig is just marketing. He's going to win, he's going to use that to market. It's genius, but, yes, easily could do that, no good. If I wanted to market myself, I could bet both sides of the same game for 5,000 a pop and I could probably find enough spots where I would only take like Couple hundred dollar loss. Yeah, marketing, just to get that screenshot. I wouldn't do that because I'm not a piece of shit. 

01:01:10 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I know more than enough guys betting that I could just ask them for screenshots and have a screenshot of every big win anyways. Yeah, same, like you're telling me, if you combine all both of our networks, all the people we know betting, we couldn't get a screenshot of at least a thousand dollars or $5,000 on every NFL game. 

01:01:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, without a doubt, like the account this week alone, every day of the week you can find a big winner somewhere from someone. Yeah, within our network. 

01:01:39 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It's a sham don't post screenshots online and don't. Don't trust people posting screenshots online and don't even, like I'm not saying, go trust the people, sorry, but just don't trust those screenshots. Yeah, you don't, you don't know it's like instagram, right? 

01:01:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
instagram, everybody's posting their best life all the time. 

01:01:52 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So yeah, that's my negative EV move. 

01:01:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know it's tough Negative EV. Okay, this one is another. Sports sports, like playing sports related. One Minus EV move. Don't agree to fill in on a sports team if you don't know the level of play. Okay, I hate this more than anything. It's like when we're looking for guys for, like you know, our, our men's league hockey game, and one guy is like oh yeah, I know, I got a guy that I'll bring him out. And then they bring him out and this guy is like he hasn't, he hasn't played hockey in 14 years, can't skate or nothing like that. 

01:02:25 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
And then you know everyone did he come and say does anyone have extra gloves? Yeah, you know somebody bring me a homie, like I don't know if I want this guy playing it's a simple question. 

01:02:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If someone invites you out to play, listen, you want to get exercise, I get it. Maybe you haven't played a sport since you're younger. You want to play. Just ask, like, the level of competition. So you're not out there one making an ass of yourself, but two, kind of ruining the experience for everyone else because, like then everyone is just really uncomfortable. You don't know how to tell this guy like I know it's just like a men's league game, but you can't go out of there again like you don't want to do stuff like that. So don't fill in. For this is very, very specific. That might not ever happen in anyone's life. Don't fill in unless you know the level of play. 

01:03:08
I feel very strongly about that I, I would agree largely agree and I wouldn't want to do that either, like if I wouldn't want to go play like any sport game where I'm gonna be the worst person on the field by a mile, like that's not gonna be fun for, or the best, by the way yeah, same thing. 

01:03:24 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It's not as you gotta play around your level. 

01:03:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Every now and then it is. 

01:03:27 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It is fun to be the best to be the best at the sport, yeah ah, it's annoying. 

01:03:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Come on, you ever go to a bowling team when you have like a 150 average and they're all at like 90 and you, just you, you're like pete weber jr dude not bowling, johnny and I did it by accident. 

01:03:41 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
I guess I had hockey one time. I played for johnny's team and we're by far the best players on the ice, the two of us. 

01:03:46 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It's no, it's good, it's, it's fine, it's whatever, it's more just you gotta do it every now and then. Yeah but then you can't really try. 

01:03:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like no, no, but but I like, I like playing I'll tell you this though you're not trying, I enjoy playing sports. 

01:03:59 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
if I'm gonna go play a sport, I much prefer the sport to be competitive, where everybody's trying I agree, versus like the whole, oh, this is a co-ed volleyball. It's like we're just here to have a drink and fun. It's like, okay, that's fine as well, but like then you're not even really playing the sport because it's like you're just going to have fun, like hit around you might as well, just go-. 

01:04:18 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Yeah, you're just going to drink some beers, you might as well. 

01:04:19 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Go toss around the old pigskin, you know you might have a beer in the hand, yeah. So I prefer when the game, when you can go and you can try, yeah, and it's actually kind of fun. If it's not fun, um, sorry if you're, if you're not trying, whatever, it could still be fun. But like you got to know that going in. So like I feel, I feel you, you know it's a cool move. Actually I just thought of this. Right now you want to win men's league hockey. You know there's like, yeah, you can't get better players for the playoffs. Like, like you can't get ringers. You got to. You know you can only play with your roster. They have to play a certain amount of games. Whatever, bro, you just get a rent-a-goalie, a sick rent-a-goalie for the player. No one can complain. It's like, yo, they didn't have a goalie. 

01:05:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They have to play. Did you see this he did. He allowed two Genos, but he won. They rented him for a men's league finals. 

01:05:10 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
But there's literally better goalies than that that you can go to. 

01:05:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sure, I'm sure there is, but it's actually hilarious, no, I don't even think they rented him. 

01:05:15 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I think he just showed up for fun. 

01:05:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know the full story. 

01:05:18 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, that was crazy. But I'm saying, if you get a legit rent-a-goalie, okay who and he plays on your men's league team, you automatically will win, because everyone knows how men's league is. You need a couple good players, you need two good scorers and a good goalie. That's it. Yeah, goalie is great. So if you play like that, like you're a men's league rent-a-goalie, bro, if you're a good men's league rent-a-goalie, you can make a bank, yeah, and you could win. 

01:05:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You've got a lot of trophies at home and you make. What does it cost to rent goalies? Nowadays a couple hundred bucks, yeah a hundred bucks. 

01:05:53 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It's fun, though you go out for a game, it's a workout too. It's a workout if you know the guys, if it's like a pretty trash team. 

01:05:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Nothing worse than when you rent the ice with a bunch of buddies, you rent a couple goalies because nobody plays goalie is way better than the other, nothing worse than that. That's a really, really bad experience for renting with the buddies. 

01:06:13 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:06:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Tough break. 

01:06:15 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Zach, you got Zach Phil LLC. You got the law firm. You got anything. 

01:06:21 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Plus, ev is working out in the morning to start your day, a couple of things that just kind of gets out of the way. You get up, feel good and you're kind of woken up to start the day. Then the other thing is that it just like frees up the rest of the day in terms of, like, I like to work out every day. I know, johnny, you're working out a lot as well. I don't know, rob, if you're getting in the gym. 

01:06:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But once football season starts, it's over. But you still gotta take care of your health. Buddy, I still run. I just don't, I don't. I don't do weights in the in the. Fair enough, yeah. 

01:06:54 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
But then the other thing is like if you're kind of go through the day working and then you're like, oh, now I got to go to the gym or I got to fit this in, if anything else pops up during the rest of the day, it can start to feel like congested tight in terms of how much time you have get up. Do it in the morning Good way to start the day, I think. Plus EV, it's not bad. 

01:07:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would agree. I mean, when I was exercising a lot more, I liked doing it in the morning and I just feel better about the whole day. Get it out of the way, get it done. Um, in the same, I mean similar vein, uh, for me, plus EV, just one thing, because we're like changing seasons Now we're going to go summer into fall I think it's very important, uh, to find yourself a hobby for each season of the year, because I feel like a lot of people do something in the summer or in the winter and that really works for them, and then seasons change and listen, everybody goes through like depression or you know, you just don't feel yourself. 

01:07:46
I think if you can find yourself something to do for each season of the year, it's just really good mentally for you. Could be anything honestly Like if you want to run in the fall because the weather's great, sure, just like. It gives you something to do as a fallback rather than you just killing time doing nothing. I think it's a good thing. That's my personal opinion, but it's worked for me. Each season of the year I got something new going on. That's it. 

01:08:16 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Not too bad. I think I guess my plus EV would be not too bad. Not too bad. Not too bad. I mean, yeah, like what? If you have an all-year-round hobby, does that count? 

01:08:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's totally fine as well. Skiing in the winter and in the summer you do this Golf in the summer, golf in the summer, and then golf season's done. That's why I said not that You've got to figure out something else. 

01:08:41 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I guess mine would be don't get attached and tied to stuff. You've got to be able to lose all of your stuff right now and you don't care. Physical items, physical stuff. To like lose all of your stuff right now and you don't care. Like physical items. Physical physical stuff, yeah, like like, for example, these are my signed helmets. Like if I lose these tomorrow, I don't care and I have to not care about that. People get too attached to things. Yeah, they're like holy. Like yeah, I can't, I can't operate without. Like imagine I lost my like ps5s. Like just chill, you know. I mean you have to be willing to. If you lost all of your clothes except for the set of clothes on your back today, then like you should be able to just be okay with that and live and not get attached to any of this stuff. I think you everyone would be like a little more happy if they acted like that. 

01:09:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I see too many people getting attached to stuff I think I also think people like hold on to their stuff way too long and they just there's like a refusal to let it go, for nostalgic reasons or whatever. Like I, you know, I could throw away half the things in my house, seriously, and I probably I wouldn't even realize it for years. Yeah, it's true, like it does, they just don't affect me in any way. But when I stumble upon it and I find it, it's, it's a challenge to like get rid of it, like ah, I, ah, I forgot that I had these. I lived without it for like three years. 

01:09:53 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
How many board games do you have on your shelf? You probably haven't played half those in years. 

01:09:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The ones. So when I buy a board game, if I don't like it on first play, I'll give it to somebody else. So I don't keep games that I don't like. But yeah, I mean. 

01:10:07 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I have. 

01:10:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You gotta have like 20 games. I have more than that. I have 30 or 50 games, yeah, yeah. So I'm saying there's no way you played, there's no way you played all those games in the past year uh, no, no, definitely not definitely. 

01:10:18 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
How much board, how many board games is this guy playing? It's impossible. 

01:10:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, I do, I do board. It's one of my things that I do in fall and winter no, I know you like it I play board games every friday night with friends, different groups sometimes, and different groups like different types of games, I for sure. 100% agree with you. I have not played every single one of those. I actually have unplayed board games there that I've bought before In wrapper. Haven't played yet. Yeah, but that's it Not bad. 

01:10:44 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
In wrapper Last thing, before we go random topic, I'm considering making a like a pretty decent sized investment. I want to buy up all of the rookie cards of a specific player. I want to just buy up all a bunch of cards of a specific player, like someone who's they had their rookie season already and like it was kind of I wouldn't say an underwhelming season, but their value went down from the peak, yeah, and then I want to bet on a rebound and this guy to have a sick career and those rookie cards to like 10 to 100 x. So you want, I'm looking for a player and I want everybody to list in the comments what who I could potentially buy. 

01:11:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So you missed the boat but, like, sam darnold would have been an example of that. 

01:11:29 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Gino Smith. Gino Smith would have been a perfect one. I got all of Gino Smith's rookie cards in the gutter and now he actually plays a 10-year career and they're not worth nothing. They went up a lot, but he's not even that good A guy. 

01:11:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I kind of— no, no, no, I know, but it's still like you could have got those after the Jets like both Darnold and Smith they were, you could have picked up those rookie cards. Like nothing Literally people didn't even want it. They were throwing them out because they were so disgusted with those players Like you could have bought them for like dollars a couple bucks. Yeah, got to find that hidden gem. 

01:12:02 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
So, yeah, what I'm saying is like I'm looking for that. I haven't been tied to a specific sport. You know, I I would be willing to do hockey, baseball, basketball or football. Um, looking for the major leagues and uh, listen, I'm gonna do this. And uh, I'm hoping anyone on the show could help me out with a specific player. But yeah, I'm looking at corner the market and buy up the rookie cards of all these players, of this one player sorry, I'm just gonna go in on one guy dirt cheap right now. 

01:12:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That has like real upside with an o-line. I can't believe. 

01:12:38 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I'm gonna say this out loud, but is will levis will levis, will, levis, like an example would actually be to pick up all to just absolutely mash the Bryce Young market right now. 

01:12:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know, but I don't actually think Bryce Young can ever be good. I think he has physical limitations, like people convince themselves he was going to be like Russell Wilson 2.0. He's way smaller than Russell Wilson. He's inaccurate, like can Bryce Young be fixed? He was drafted first overall, but I don't know that he can. I don't know that he can. Will Levis is complete dog shit. 

01:13:18 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
It's also got to be a QB or a wide receiver if it's football, because the other guys just don't really hold value. They don't have that long careers. It can't be a running back. 

01:13:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is actually a really good one. Put it in the comments down below. I'm very interested in what we'll get as options for this. 

01:13:34 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I wonder if I'm just looking at last year's NFL draft. Yeah, I feel like Jackson Smith and the Jigba is a good one. 

01:13:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But nobody's given up on him yet. But he went down. 

01:13:50 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
His value definitely went down. 

01:13:51 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
The value of his cards, Quentin. 

01:13:52 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Johnston. The value of his cards went down Before this season. You pick up Quentin Johnston dirt cheap. Oh yeah, big time. 

01:13:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like where you're at. I like where your head's at. I'm going to be really into this for the next few weeks. 

01:14:06 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
You want to go to buy a guy's card. 

01:14:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't, I don't really Bro we're not, we're talking like we just talked about how, like don't own stuff and now we're going to go add more rookie cards. 

01:14:14 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
This is an investment. No, I didn't say don't own stuff. I said don't get attached to your stuff Like if it if you lose it, in a way, hedge our bets. 

01:14:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let's put a GRP portfolio together. 

01:14:33 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
We'll get the cards up in studio. I'll go four or five guys and those will be our guys. We can update them every week on how those guys are doing. 

01:14:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe we pick four guys, one from each sport Because like Tannehill in his career would have been a guy Now obviously he. But like that type of guy, who was a failure in one spot gets another shot elsewhere. 

01:14:51 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Like the NHL. This happens all the time. Man Guys get given up on and then they're good again Would have been like yours. 

01:14:58 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Slavkovski yeah, I don't think he's a fucking bomb. 

01:15:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not doing any abs. 

01:15:01 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, no, it's gotta be a guy in a major market. 

01:15:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Don't recommend any abs stuff please In the comments down below. Don't want it. Don't want it, Joseph. 

01:15:09 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
Wall Guys. Please comment some guys. What I'm talking about here is I'm going to buy potentially I'll just find the best rookie card of the guy it might be like seven bucks and then I'll just buy like 160 of those, yeah you got to go in bulk. 

01:15:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You just take your shot, shoot, or shoot. 

01:15:29 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I'm going to buy 160 of the same card. It'll just be right here in a box and we'll put a couple of them up. Shoot or shoot. It was like you on the Fezzik episode. 

01:15:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Man Just draining those threes according to Kanish right. Just draining those threes. Should we go in? 

01:15:39 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
on Sam Darnold Darnold no it's too late. He's not even going to play. 

01:15:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know, but he might pick up another spot elsewhere afterwards because he'd be a free agent, sign a deal. Who knows? I don't think he's the guy now. I think it's too late. On Darnold. 

01:15:57 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
I think it's too late. You know who? Maybe we go for? Danny Dimes. He's got to be all-time in the gutter. 

01:16:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
right now he is but he's not getting out of the gutter, you don't think he? 

01:16:06 - Johnny from Betstamp  (Co-host)
gets out of the gutter. He stinks. 

01:16:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's gutter for life. Trey Lance, no, no chance for these guys. They're so bad. They're so bad. No, yeah, I'm thinking about it more. Put comments down below. I have some thoughts we can talk off air. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you smash that like button If you're listening in audio form. Haven't got a lot of reviews lately. Rate and review five stars goes a long way for people to find us on spotify, on apple podcasts as well. Everyone, enjoy your week. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Peace out.