00:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Welcome to Circles Off presented by Underdog. I'm Rob Pizzola, joined to my right Uncle K Joey Kanish from Hit the Books YouTube channel. How are things? 

00:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Live in the studio, baby Feeling good here, looking forward to this being a part of America and us all being one country here soon. 

00:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know you like this whole shtick of like the man of the people, which I've kind of been stealing as well, but we have to point out you did lose a bet. That's why you're here. 

00:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's not like a man of the people. 

00:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm here in studio for the. You know the sanctity of everyone getting everyone's good graces. I had nothing to do with that. 

00:40 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I might. Hey, once we're all Americans I might relocate up here. So we'll see. 

00:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, that's not happening. Jacob producing behind the glass here as well. This is going to be a Q&A episode and a lot of people will say well, rob, how are you doing a Q&A? I didn't see the tweet that went out with questions. I didn't see you guys post anything on the YouTube communities, anything like that. We'll let a little secret come into play here, but we didn't read every Q&A question that we've ever gotten in the history of the show. So typically in the past, my co-host, johnny. He would organize this whole episode. The questions would go to him, but sometimes we record and there's just way too many questions to get to, so some got cut off. Sometimes neither of us had like valuable experience with the. You know what was being asked and we didn't want to answer it. But what we've done. We've gone back about 18 months now and looked at questions that we didn't cover in our Q and A's and we're going to get those into the episode today. So, uncle K, joey Knish, myself, bobby Pizza, answering your questions Before we get into it. 

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03:06 - Joey Knish (Guest)
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03:29 - Joey Knish (Guest)
All right, yeah, I like that BetStamp shirt on you by the way, you know what A company man throwing through. 

03:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean BetStamp's, not our company. Well, I mean Supporting, yeah, supporting friends, it's all right. 

03:45 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It's all one you know conglomerate that were uh all right, let's get to the hard-hitting questions, the ones that some would say johnny wouldn't answer. I love john couldn't answer. 

03:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's a great friend of mine. Some things he didn't want to speak to publicly for obvious reasons. You said I don't want to answer that, so we're not going to answer that. Some just not his area of expertise, like if it's a, I'm not not gonna ask you like sophisticated modeling questions or Well, you don't want me to show you up with a thing. 

04:08 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It's not because it's too boring. Yeah, I get it Exactly. 

04:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right, so betting related questions. 

04:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
These are the band questions. What did it say the last tapes? 

04:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's gotta be the title of the episode. We're not going far enough with the clickbaity titles. Yeah, I agree, we got to go hard. Clickbait title for this. Yeah, the questions nobody would answer that's good. 

04:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I was looking for the right wording. I would have found it, I think, at some point, but I think that might be it. 

04:37 - Joey Knish (Guest)
We had to get a guy up here from Detroit to answer some of these Oof. 

04:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, what is the biggest bet you've ever placed and how did? 

04:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
it go who's? 

04:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
starting one of us. Okay, so I've. I've publicly stated this before, but for the record, this sounds incredibly dumb it might be that it actually might be the same. 

05:02
I'm interested to see now if it's the biggest bet I've ever placed was a Super Bowl national anthem when Pink was singing. I don't know if it was the same year as you, that's what I was going to say. It was Pink, yeah. So how did it go? It went really, really well. It was extremely lucrative to know the outcome and then be able to bet on it. And at that time I had a relationship with another Canadian bookie who was only taking bets from like high profile clients and he used to always give me a bet every year on the Anthem and people would be like this this is so stupid, like why would they ever do that? He literally would give me a huge bet on the Anthem so that he knew what the right side of the Anthem was I gotcha. And then he was taking some other high profile bets on that. So the biggest bet I've ever placed was as much of as some people would consider an illiquid market was a Super Bowl national anthem with pink. 

05:55 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It's. It's funny because I thought you were going to say it was the same year, that year, yeah. So this is before all the you know the video came out that that one guy did where nobody offered, like you could get down. I remember it like specifically that night, probably maybe two hours before, the game Bookmaker had it up for $1,000 hits with rebets and somebody was constantly betting the other side, like people would just come in and keep betting the other side, right, and this is like we've already had the info before it's won, before we think it's good. I'm sitting there like on the screen already with a big position, but someone's betting. This is like if you think you know Aaron Rodgers in his prime is is gonna be out and the line's gonna move, you know 14 points in your favor and someone else is jamming the other side at you. 

06:50
I'm like we already know the answer. You're like we are, assume 99.9 probability, uh, and someone's betting the other side, so ended up with yeah, a yeah, do you want? 

07:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, do you want to say I don't like to give exact monetary amounts. 

07:04 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I'm not even sure I know the exact because it was spread through a number of different. I'll say that it was over. It was close to $100,000. Okay yeah. 

07:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So people, I think think that I bet more than I do. I'm just going to put it out there. I bet a significant amount of money on games but I'm not betting. You know, like Sean Perry comes on, the spaces is like, ah, you know, if I was betting, he's telling Spanky. If I, you know, if I was betting 100k, I'd blow my brains out and stuff like that. I'm not betting 100k a game. That would be a significant bet for me. 

07:35
But I have had what, um, plenty of what I call bridge jumpers, yeah, before, yeah Before, where it was like you know, 150 K to win 5k, 10 K, stuff like that. Those are, uh, I wouldn't recommend them to everyone but, like, technically, those would be my biggest bets that I've made and those are just things that are incredibly mispriced. And, um, you know, some people would say that betting LeBron James 10 plus points is the biggest bets they've ever had in their life because people are throwing down so much money at minus 7,000 and stuff like that. Tough question to answer for sure. Hey guys, big fan of the show, listening a while, love how honest and transparent you are about the ups and downs of betting, appreciate that. I wanted to ask what's the biggest misconception that recreational bettors have about the sports betting world? Is there something you hear a lot that makes you think, man, people just don't get it. Thanks for everything, jake. 

08:34 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I don't know if it applies as much right now in today's climate, but for the majority of my life I would have said fading the public, or like the bet percentage, because I remember and you've talked about this before when I was first getting into betting I thought I was like this is the golden goose, like our. I get it. So like, oh my god, someone in sweden, others 89 on the stealers, yeah it's free money on the other side it. 

08:59
I don't know if that's as prevalent like it doesn't seem like the gen z's, yeah, are that into it. Maybe it's because there is no opposite side of uh, you know, a six game sgp, um, but that to me for the majority of my lifetime was was info, that one I thought was relevant for for a portion of my career? Uh, and then now, like up until sgps took over everything, uh, that that seemed to be the thing that people would be like oh, you can't, and you still, in water cooler conversation, you still hear people like hi, everybody seems to be on that side for me, the biggest misconception. 

09:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I used to think stuff like that all the time. I don't, I don't know that. I hear the public betting yeah so much anymore. 

09:44 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Seems to have died in the last couple of years. Not dead, but it's not as popular as it once was. 

09:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know the reason for that, but I agree, For me, the weirdest thing that I hear from rec bettors is that they actually don't believe that there is such thing as a pro bettor. Have you not seen that more and more with the guys in the spaces now where they're responding to your tweets? It's like yeah, pro, better, ha ha ha. There's just the assumption that everyone loses and that the sportsbooks are going to win in the long run, no matter what. I see more and more of that these days, which I find really, really weird. 

10:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Can I give one actually? Yeah, I think the biggest misconception. I'm obviously not a pro bettor, but when I tell people I work in sports betting media, the assumption is like I can just oh so who's going to win tonight? Who should I bet tonight? So, like I'm sure you get this as well, if you tell people you're a bettor, they probably ask who's going to win tonight. 

10:37 - Joey Knish (Guest)
The normies want to know what the side is. If you're a pro bettor, if you're in media, then give me a winner you make. You make money for a living on this stuff. Who's winning thursday night football tonight, exactly, exactly, yeah, here's, yeah, here. Let me do 30 minutes on why it's uh, yeah, why. That doesn't make sense, but no, yeah, you, just well, yeah you can't exactly. 

10:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You can't. You know I I golf on thursdays a lot um in september and then I do thursday night football live stream and the guys I'm golfing with are my dad's buddies and it's always the same thing. Who's playing tonight, who do you like on the spread? And I'm not going to sit there for 45 minutes and explain to them how the betting market works. I'm going to be like I didn't bet the game. If I had to bet the game, I'd bet this side. That's always the usual answer. This one might be up your what's the weirdest prop bet that you've ever made? 

11:27 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I'll let you think about this for one second. I got it already, Okay let's go. It. Honestly, it came to me as soon as you said it the Miss Universe contest Like maybe it's got to be four or five years ago now, you know what. 

11:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm about to do a telegram. Uh, search of miss universe. Yeah, because I I briefly recall, I like you. You, if you don't want to name names, don't name names. You name as much of the story as you want to here. 

11:57 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It was posted by uh, you want me to say the book? Yeah, go for it, it was. It was my bookie. Yeah, back when before, uh, when they were like kind of starting out and our uh, a mutual person we know I would not call a friend, uh, but was the yes, yes, the uh, the head bookmaker there, um, and they posted I want to say it was. It was either miss costa rica, miss dominican republic and me, and then I'll give him a shout out my, but he's a canadian guy, uh, jackson shoop. He goes by on twitter, I know him. Yeah, uh, actually started watch. There was like a youtube of of people that were breaking down this contest and we could kind of get gander of what the. 

12:45
There was some prelims or something like some pre-miss universe prelims of who was actually had a chance to win and they had. He was either miss costa rica, mister, at 50 to 1 yeah, when she probably should have been like 3 to 1 right, and I sent this. This is when I I sent this around to like like a lot of people and I might have had a few. Everybody in the Knish family had a MyBookie account at that point and that one maybe it was like a $50 or $100 max, but there was a lot of bets on that. I want to say it's Miss Dominican Republic when she won Miss Universe. So that was my favorite Because it's not like we. This was not like National Anthem where we knew the winner. There was actually legitimate handicapping going involved in this and it was just a bad price that they had posted and especially the fact that we got won over on that book with that person was very gratifying. 

13:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it was Miss Mexico. 

13:55 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It was definitely a South American, Central American country. 

13:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, because so it was Denmark won this year, nicaragua. The year before Was it Nicaragua? No, it might even go back US, india, mexico, south Africa, philippines, south Africa, philippines. It was Philippines. That's the one 2018. 

14:13 - Joey Knish (Guest)
That's the one, yes, miss Philippines. 

14:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That is the one. 

14:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yes, yes, now the name rings a bell. That is the one I got to date myself seven years ago now. But, yeah, that is the one, miss Philippines, the one that got away. If I wish, I could tell her the story myself one time. But yeah, that is the one that and I don't think they think they posted that anymore. There's a tweet. You can't really search on that trash app anymore, but if search joey universe, uh, you should be able to find it in some capacity, because I think I actually gave it out on twitter that like, literally, like, like, right the day before, like we had already loaded up. I think the contest was that night and I like tweeted it out earlier. Uh, yeah, and when that hit, um, that was, that was a good one all right. 

15:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Um, for me, it's not a great story like that. That's a great story, yeah. When I was in my early 20s, I was working late nights as a radio producer and, um, I used to play poker at the same time. Party poker also had party bets at that time and I used to bet on the last digit of the closing price of the Nikkei stock index. That's the Nikkei. Nikkei N-I-K-K-E-I, I think it's, I don't know if it's Japanese. 

15:34 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I was gonna say is that the Japan stock market? 

15:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's like it's, let's look it up right. The Nikkei stock exchange, or the Nikkei 225, is a stock market index for the Tokyo Stock Exchange, so I used to bet on the last digit of the closing price of that market. 

15:54 - Joey Knish (Guest)
And the time difference are probably lined up where, like there was nothing else going on. 

15:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, so I'd be at the office at like two in the morning. Yeah, yeah, and it just became like an office thing at that point where there was nothing else left to bet. Live betting wasn't as prevalent at that time. Yeah, so you'd bet the late baseball games or the you know the late starts, but after that there was nothing going on. Um, so, yeah, I definitely did not make money what were the odds? 

16:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
you were getting not good. Not good like bad dude, like I know, obviously bad, but it's like there's like a 20 hold on the market, but when you're a 20 year old kid. 

16:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You don't know where was it posted? At party bets. Okay, all right, because I I would. I mean, I'm ashamed to say this, but I would play poker at at work when the show was happening on air right, what do you think I'm doing? I was like I was like a, a secondary producer. Um I I you know how elf has like that intern BJ covers just to like document the show. 

16:47
Yeah, yeah, yeah I was like doing that type of stuff, but I'd always be playing poker in the background as well, and if I had a good night on party. 

16:54 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, then it's time to hit the Nikkei. 

16:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I had to hit the Nikkei index. All right, what's the wildest thing that you've ever done to get a bet down? I don't have wild betting stories. You probably have someone who pushed people over at the kiosks and shit to get bets in. 

17:15 - Joey Knish (Guest)
There was a bet. It's actually. It happened. Probably it was in this country where I live, across, uh, it's like 15 minutes from the border and um, there was. So you drove to canada place of bed, drove to canada, but it was in the, not the current pro line days, but the old ones, old, the old, yeah, the convenience store days, yeah, where before, even before the scan and app, where you had to fill out manually, fill out the tickets, the Scantron card, yeah, so it would be like Friday night they'd have some college football going Saturday morning and it would be. I'm not even going to say I mean, we're talking like maybe a point and a half across a key number or something. They'd have four and a half, the market be three, yep, and I would just go on friday night, you know. 

18:09
But the thrilling life that I have and just the first time I remember it specifically, I didn't know that one, the, the cards were a hundred dollar max and b you had to hand fill them out. So, like my wrist the next day, like was like in, like throbbing, and pay because I had to hand fill them out. So, like my wrist the next day, like was like in, like throbbing, because I had to fill out so many, I'd take them to the counter and they'd be like you want how many of these? And I was like just as many as you can give them to me. So that and I mean we're talking, that was a lot of labor to get down, maybe like $5,000. 

18:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So your five thousand dollars. So your boy that. So you once did an episode with me on this channel where it was, uh, best and worst gambling twitter accounts. Yeah, that we talked about. Yeah, and you give that was popular positivo as one of the worst yeah, he wouldn't like that he would have to do what you were doing every single day. 

18:55
That's I, and I respect it a lot. They made a lot doing that, but yeah, it's, it's like carpal tunnel type of stuff. Right after a while, uh, there ended up being some automated solutions for that where you could just feed the cards through a printer, okay, and it would automatically get the ink in the proper spot. Yeah, yeah, before that filling those up by hand, my man, yeah, I would. 

19:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
There was a. They're all about the same as like I've driven to the west side of Michigan for a casino, I've driven to the west side of Michigan for a casino, I've driven to Ohio, indiana, to get bets down that were state-specific or like bonuses there. But they're all kind of that same ilk of just going a long distance to get something down. 

19:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I don't have any wild stories Like. The closest I would say to a wild story it's not wild, it's just kind of ironic is when you have to to use someone that you don't like, like you truly despise, to help you get down an event because they're the best person for that, and I've had that happen a couple times before. 

19:55 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Aside from that, yeah, there was some times where not these were not people I didn't like, but but they were people in like Australia, yeah that like they would have a certain market. I remember years ago, like NFL Draft, they would have some stuff up in the UK and Australia that was either not available in the States or was way off market. Yeah, be like. You know six degrees of separation of like this person knows this person who knows somebody in england or knows somebody in australia to be able to get me down. 

20:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
you know three thousand on an nfl draft prop yeah, because, like, I'm not executing most of these bets, so, like it, there's. There's always like the, the mad scramble that happens whenever you get a piece of info, or like this is really good, this is mispriced. Yeah, I just am. I just basically am passing that off to somebody else. Yeah, in exchange for a percentage of the overall bet, because I don't have a huge market to bet it myself. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but I know the right person to talk to. So there's just there's no, there's no wild betting stories there. Um, let's keep it moving here. 

20:59
Who is the sharpest better that you've ever met and what did you learn from them? Uh, for me, at bet bash last year, I met shelco. Shelco, I'm gonna butcher his his last name, so I'm not even gonna try it, but, um, I think he's australian and now lives in london. Uhko made tons from blackjack, keno, but then horse racing and then got into sports, got to talk with him. That's actually a shameless plug for Bet Bash. I mean, I don't make anything off Bet Bash, but I attend every year. I think if you find sports betting interesting, you want to network with people. That's the place to go. 

21:44
The one thing I did learn from him because he's in his 60s now the best bet like to achieve that level of betting. These guys never lose their drive. Yeah, like it's never enough, yep. And to hear him talk like it's like why are you here? Yeah, you're probably a billionaire. Yep, you're slumming it up with people who are way beneath you and he's just like. I'm always looking for new originators. If somebody has an edge in something, I can help them out. And it's like I cannot imagine if I was in my 60s with that level of wealth showing up to bet bash. 

22:31 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You know, having grp come up to introduce himself to you and having no, he doesn't know who you are exactly. 

22:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, and he's telling you about his. 

22:38 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You know he thinks that him meeting you is something of course showing you his, his nfl futures portfolio right. 

22:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So for me, yeah, I mean I guess it's that to achieve that level of greatness in betting, you just have to have that drive to constantly keep going. And, yeah, he was a great guy to chat with. 

22:57 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Just to add to that in, I want to call it maybe about five years ago I used to have I'd still run some PPH accounts, but not the volume that I used to call it. Maybe about five years ago I used to have I'd still run some PPH accounts, but not the volume that I used to. Zelko's horses were getting botted, the PPHs were posting horse matchups and his stuff was basically getting into it. It was the best stuff I've ever seen in terms of like the win ROI was. This ROI never there was. You would never have a losing week with this. It was just like how long could you keep this going? So I, uh, I owe a small percentage of, uh, my net worth to to Jelko. 

23:36
So, yeah, his, his stuff was, was, I think, the best I've seen. Uh, across across the PPH thing for a while. Um, I hate, I hate to give this guy his flowers because he's never going to. Let me hear the end of it. But call customer service who you've had on. We met a while ago on a networking trip and started doing business together and he's a little older than I am, a lot less hair than I have. Well, I'm talking to somebody who's you know not exactly who's holding on. 

24:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Let's not go down this path than I have. 

24:05 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Well, I'm talking to somebody who's, you know, not exactly holding on, but he he's taught me a lot about. I just modeled after how he did and we still do business together to this day, but in, in how he was moving, how he kind of approached, looking for for new people, we still, I mean we talk, maybe like at length once a month, months, a month of just you know how things are going, what the next thing is, that type of thing. So, and again, you can listen to that episode Thurkleback that he's been on before company man here with the promo. It was one of my favorite episodes to do. 

24:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Now. I know him well. 

24:45 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I just I saw him this past week um in Boston as well, um in terms of I would just a person that I don't know, that I've never met, uh with Hagrin who's who's kind of on Twitter, like there's, and not to promote another uh, you know show on there's. There's an episode of a podcast he did. That is about. I want to say it was two and a half hours and I've never been so mind blown in terms of. 

25:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Hagrin is my white whale for this podcast and this is not to disrespect anyone else. Everyone wants to hear Haralabob. Haralabob recently did a pod and I would love to interview Haralabob. Haral Abab recently did a pod. Yeah, like you got to get him and I do. I would love to interview Haral Abab, don't get me wrong, but Hagrin is like, for me, most interesting man in the world that I know nothing about. 

25:34 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, that I would love to converse with yes, I think that would be an all-timer if you could get him. 

25:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, hey Rob and Johnny, not Johnny. No, hey Rob and Uncle K Yep. Well, you know what. This one makes way more sense for you. I could see why Johnny didn't do this one. I really enjoy the pod. I've learned a ton from listening. I've been betting on sports for a few years now, mostly recreationally, but I'm trying to take it more seriously. I've heard you talk about movers and betting groups before. I've always wondered how does someone get into that world? Do movers do most movers start out betting solo, or do they usually have connections from the start? What advice would you give to someone trying to break into that side of the business? Appreciate your insights, alex. 

26:19 - Joey Knish (Guest)
This might be moreto maybe yeah, moreto, will look at the. He was gonna say yeah, late, late to the office and, uh, you know, not trying to figure out how to be a mover, um. 

26:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know. Listen, I, I I've, again I don't. I don't bet for other people, I never have, so I I can't answer. 

26:35 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It's. I'll try and give it as quick as possible. I think the first thing you need is is access to a ton of accounts and liquidity. So when I was starting it was like a three pronged. I had like I was able to start acquiring a bunch of PPH accounts to get down in that route. I had local Michigan legalized, so then I had local actual casino liquidity and also then app liquidity from the state. So there was another. You know you'd have your six to eight PPH books and as many accounts as you can on there. I'd have my three casinos that I could go to all in person and kiosks there. Then I'd have all the rest of the apps that there might not be a casino located both closely, but you'd have the apps and then connections I had built over the year where if I couldn't get down something I mean even earlier today as I'm sitting here in that you'd have the apps and then connections I had built over the year where if I couldn't get down something I mean even earlier today as I'm sitting here in studio people have sent me stuff and I might not be able to fill it right now but I can send it to somebody who I know, will All of that said to be. 

27:39
It takes a lot of capital then to have that, and I've seen the biggest issue I've seen with movers over the years when it goes bad is they're they don't know what good stuff is, they're over betting stuff or they're not fully capitalized. And I say I I said this a long time ago on a podcast and I still mean to this day where if I lost every single bet I made that day for you know, numerous people moving it wouldn't again. Would that day suck? Yes, would I. Would I still be fine, capital wise? Yes, and I think a lot of people, um, especially that I've seen go bust with the mover route is they don't have the right amount of capital to do it or they don't have the span of accounts and liquidity to actually be able to to really help. Um, the last piece is probably identifying people that can actually win. 

28:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah. 

28:29 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Which that's more art than science too, because you know, someone shows me you guys talked about it on. If someone shows me a picket record, that's not doing nothing for me, right? Like, yeah, that's so. There's just ways that I can't even fully explain where you can tell, probably early on, if this person is a winner. And then why do they need the last, why do they need me? Why do we need each other? Because if you're betting NFL sides, you don't need me. 

29:03
And so if you're saying that, that would be the biggest red flag. If you're saying, well, I beat NFL side, need a mover, no, fuck, you don't need me. And so if you're safe, that that would be the biggest red flag. If you tell, well, I beat, nfl side need a move, or no, you, you really don't. It's um, what kind of markets can you beat? Some of the niche stuff that I still do? How early in the week do you bet um and those type of things that all play into it? As a, it's been very beneficial for me, but I had a lot of things a social media presence to be able to get accounts, michigan legalizing at the right time being in the span of casinos. I had all those things lined up to make it work. If you don't have that, it's going to be a lot tougher. 

29:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right. Hey guys, love the podcast. I've been listening since the early episodes. Really appreciate the insight you bring to the sports betting world. This since the early episodes. Really appreciate the insight you bring to the sports betting world. This is real here. I have a question that I'd love for you to get to Kanish. Hey, here we go, you got. Hey, when was this asked? I think Mike from Philly's been waiting, I think over a year, but we finally got the question to Kanish Mike from Philly. 

30:00 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Baby, I came in just to you for the studio to answer this baby. 

30:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've been following Kanish for a while on Twitter. I know you guys said he made a name for himself as a mover. I get the basic concept of moving lines, but I'd love to hear more about how it works on a deeper level. So you've answered some of this. Are you coordinating with other bettors or is it more of a solo operation? How do you manage keeping books from catching on to what you're doing, though? 

30:23 - Joey Knish (Guest)
so part of, I would say part of the benefit of being a, what the mover brings is to try and get down without destroying the market. Uh, so some of that, especially like anybody couldn't go to chris or pinney or bet online or any of those and start jamming the screen. So you need kind of one of the benefits there, or like what I would bring to the table is, if somebody wants to get down on, you know, like a WNBA overnight or something would be to be able to get them a respectable position and not move the number at all that way. 

31:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That would be the end and that that number is not going to be, you know also to and like frankly, also to get a position for yourself, correct, correct, it's not just their position. Yes, it's not. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not doing it. 

31:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I'm not, mother theresa, I'm not doing it out of the joy of my heart it's that I know this stuff is good, it's going to win long term and it it can get a position at a premium number that's not going to then destroy, because if this person then wants to go and maybe bet it in the morning, maybe bet it something more day, maybe get some more down, if I go right to the screen and click the number, they could do that themselves. So that's part of it. I would say there are times when I'll coordinate with other people, depending on how good something is or if we all want to try and get the same number. That's on a case-by-case basis, though, because the more you do that, the more people that, the more heat that that play is going to bring then? 

32:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, totally understand that. One more moving question here, guys, guys, big fan of the show, I always appreciate the mix of sharp betting, insight and just shooting the shit. It makes for a great listen. Uh, do appreciate that. Uh, I've always wondered when someone's moving lines for a betting group, how often do they find themselves disagreeing with the plays that they're being asked to bet on? Do movers ever pass on a move because they don't like the position, or is it always strictly business? Thank you for the great content, sarah. Sarah, one of the one percent of a female female listeners yeah, appreciate you, sarah. 

32:39
Hope you're subbed. Um, do you ever pass on positions because you think it's shit or like someone wanted to bet against the lions? You, you know what are you doing. 

32:48 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Here's where self-awareness plays a big key, because I know that outside of college football, which is the one sport where I'll take an opinion, I don't know shit about fucking shit. You know what I'm saying. I'm glad you said it. I would have yeah, you would have backed up here. So I have to take that's a great soundbite. 

33:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Honestly, we should put that on the board. That's a great soundbite. 

33:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Are you fucking kidding me from GRP? It's Kanish saying I don't know shit about shit. That's great. 

33:14 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I would say you've really got to take your opinion out of it and as the occasional opinion on a college football side or total I'd agree with. Now, some people might take that and you know, if somebody wants a 5K position and they might just book that position, I wouldn't recommend doing that. 

33:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We would not recommend booking anything illegally on this program. 

33:46 - Joey Knish (Guest)
But if you have that opinion, that strong opinion, then you know you, there's that option, which, again, we don't recommend. For myself it's, it's the self-awareness, uh, just to know that I, I shouldn't even have an opinion, right, I don't have enough, though, like there's not enough. Uh, most of the sports I'm doing either, I'm not paying attention, I'm not modeling any of that stuff, um, so why would I have an opinion on something that it's kind of like you just got to be very strict with the I'm just gonna do. You get yourself into a, a bad place if you start taking opinions, uh, on stuff that you really shouldn't have an opinion on. 

34:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, Is there a favorite way for you guys to disguise your action? Okay, I mean, generally I like to bet stuff that's not going to get. This is counterintuitive to everything that you teach people about betting. Right, I really respect the closing line In everything I do. I want to get closing line value. However, I want to find ways to bet where I'm actually not getting closing line value, and I know that's a lot for people to unpack, right. But if you could bet in a spot, that's, you know, 10 cents off market at post and you can get in a click where the number at that sports book is not going to move, yep, I like to do stuff like that. So, ultimately for me, like the favorite way to disguise action listen, there's some things you're just going to bet that are going to get good close Like there's nothing you can do about it. You know, if I want to bet an NHL game at eight in the morning and there's only so much liquidity, you bet it out. The market's going to move, that's that. 

35:39 - Joey Knish (Guest)
But I think generally I do like getting what I know is a good position that doesn't close well yep, I would say my favorite way to try and mask action is to use a kiosk at a non-market moving book with no player's card. So it would be. You learned that from man in the library, right? Yeah, I'm on the spaces, yeah you learn it all the time. 

36:06
Where, if you're, you can hit something at a book that you know is not going to move the line unless the market moves, uh, and not have it linked to your card. And then there's other ways to go about, you know, keeping that rolling or cashing the tickets and stuff. Um, that's probably the most, that's probably the most concrete way I've seen moving stuff to mask the action. Now, it might be tough to get a lot of liquid down and there might be some blowback from the place you're doing it at. So I'm not going to say that's the end-all, be-all for masking action, but it's one of the strategies I've used. 

36:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
See, I have very little experience with kiosk betting. Uh, when I was at encore boston they had the sports book, like the ohio state the sports book. They're taking 300. Yeah, um, at the kiosk with no players card and it's just like. At that point I don't really want to go down that endeavor any further. 

37:10 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Well, that means you're standing there for 30 more minutes, and that's what I'm saying Getting them for 300 a piece. Exactly, yeah. 

37:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Very time. Consuming. 

37:18 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Well, I was going to say, the time I've spent in front of a kiosk screen has yeah A lot of years off. 

37:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I believe it. Yeah, I mean, if you actually did the math on that, yeah, I hope I You'd be sick. 

37:31 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yes, I was going to say yeah, I hope. I'm glad no one can do it. 

37:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like in January. I did the math on how much money I spent on coffee last year, yeah, and when I saw the amount, yeah, it was really disturbing. Yeah, it's a gut punch. Get me some help please. That can't be the right price. Now I see why Fez uses the fucking comps. Yeah, right, right, right. Honestly, I shit on it, but I should be doing that. 

37:56
What's the most underrated tool or resource for bettors? Okay, well, this is a great time for me to plug BetStamp Pro. I'll tell you that right now. I do believe BetStamp Pro is the best player props odd screen on the market right now, with more innovation coming. I know you've used it for sure. Yes, it is really, really good. There's very limited licenses on it. I wouldn't be wearing the shirt if I didn't like it. There you go. 

38:22
I mean, the problem with a lot of these top-down tools nowadays is they're so mass market that a bet gets sent out. Yes, thousands of people bet it. The numbers move. You get limited real quick. Betstamp Pro, because it's designed by other pro bettors. You're not going to run into those same types of problems. That's not to say you're never going to get limited. You're never going to have issues getting a number, but we try to work around that a lot. So to me, that's that. Now, price point is very high. It's not for everyone. If you're serious about betting, it's gonna be a useful tool. We'll drop the link down in the description below if you wanna click that. The most underrated tool or resource, though, is gonna really depend on what kind of better you are. Yeah, I would agree. I mean technically. For me, the most underrated tool, I think, is Google. I was that. 

39:10 - Joey Knish (Guest)
That is where I was going to go with. This was people don't. 

39:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Google shit enough. Yeah, they just send messages to one another buddies on the side and it's like even DMS I get on Twitter. I respond to them. I don't want to be the asshole. That's like did you try Googling it? 

39:24 - Joey Knish (Guest)
The reality is like did you try Google Right and like so I'm not. I'm not the biggest math guy in the world, as you know, many would suffice. 

39:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would have never suspected. 

39:32 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, you know. But, like, if I want to calculate the probability on something or a money line conversion or a theoretical hold, you don't have to be a fucking genius to do it, you just type it, go into Google, you find some link that has like a lot of any type, what you want and put it in there and it gives the number for you, right? So that's one that I think is underutilized, just in terms of like basic math, to like either convert probabilities or do whole percentage or any of that type of stuff. How much VIG am I paying? How much is it? Should this half point be worth? Right? Those are all. That information is all accessible, right, that you can just go out there and get it. And I didn't listen, I, joey k, didn't. Uh, I'm not teaching stats 101 here at the local community college to figure out. 

40:19
You're not even teaching second grade, no I'm just punching it in and uh, getting the answer, and so that's. 

40:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Hey, I feel like that's uh, yeah, betting tools are great online now, especially free ones like dvig calculators, all sorts of stuff like that, like that's, that's um. So yeah, for me it's a. I feel like that's a. Yeah, betting tools are great online now especially free ones like DVG calculators, all sorts of stuff like that. Like that's, that's um. So yeah, for me it's it's Google. I mean, it really depends on what you want to do, honestly. Um, here's an interesting one. Choose one early morning bets or late night bets. 

40:48 - Joey Knish (Guest)
This has changed. I like my entire life flipped uh upside, like down a few. Where I used to be, especially during COVID was working from home, yep, I would be up until the wee hours, like late nights, uh of the morning, like not waking up early in that. And now it has shifted where kind of the I'm up up earlier in the morning because of Joey corporate, and the first thing I'm doing when I'm starting kind of off the day, even before I'm like in the shower and stuff, is like I'll take, I'll check my telegram messages, take a stock of like where anything I need to fill, where the mark does that, pull up the screen real quick and all that. Um, and usually I've, I've fired out some stuff within 15, 30 minutes of being awake. 

41:33
I don't do as much of the. I did late night for a long time. But I think there's more value in terms of North American, what time we're on and when events happen, of getting up and placing earlier than placing very late, like if you want to bet overnights. But you can bet overnights at, you know, seven, eight, nine pm, not doesn't have to be two in the morning, right, whereas, uh, you can kind of wake up early and get before before. Some limits raise places. So yeah, where you add on that well. 

42:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I make way more early morning bets, yeah, but my preference is late night, like if I, if I, if if the market was just created equal. Yes, like I, I hate getting up in the morning. I'm notoriously very, very um morning challenged, so to speak. It's hard like I set alarms an hour before I have to wake up. I sleep through alarms sometimes. I mean I don't like being up in the morning, but you know, sports betting, the way that I do it. Morning is more valuable to me than late night and again, doing both. I'd love for it to be reversed, because I am up till at least 1 am every single night, if not later than that. That's how I live. 

42:52 - Joey Knish (Guest)
The only times where I saw a bunch of late-night. I'll just tell the story. People want good content, so I'll tell the story. There was casinos in town that would only staff until midnight, and so that means like the kiosks were then unguarded per se after midnight, so I could go down at any time past midnight and it was go to town. I could go to town. It was. It was go to town until somebody some trader, and across the world saw that someone had been standing there for 30 minutes at one in the morning. So so yeah, there were some big payoffs for certain nights, but again, that's one in a great while and that's one that also they catch on to sooner than later. 

43:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's tough yeah tough business, All right. Hey guys love the podcast. I've been learning a ton from you. Appreciate the mix of sharp insights and fun stories, so you got a little fun story right there. I'm curious when it comes to bankroll management, how strict are you with your own rules? Do you ever break your own guidelines if you really love a bet, or is that a slippery slope? Keep up the awesome work. So I wanna preface what I'm gonna say. 

44:15 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You can go here first. No, I wanna, cause I think we're gonna say and we're gonna sound out of touch. Well, let me just say this we're gonna sound this is gonna be like a bet the process segment here we're gonna sound aloof. 

44:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
For most bettors, bankroll management is extremely important, agreed, right, you need to have this down to a science, right? You can't be going nuts. You can't be placing one unit on this and then 28 units on something else. Game of the Like, you can't do that. But I think you get to a point where the bankroll management almost becomes innate, like you don't even think about it anymore. It's you know to your story at the beginning, right? Which is it anymore? It's you know to your story at the beginning, right, which is like, if I lose every bet today, it's going to be a terrible day, yeah, but I'm going to be fine. 

44:56 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, you've just kind of learned to do that and I would say some of the stuff I'm betting on, there's there's no realistic amount of liquidity. Yep, that's even going to get me to like one unit of my you know what I'll call, you know, net worth theoretical bankroll, like I had this. It's hard to do this without sounding like a huge douche, but um I mean yeah people, people know it doesn't. 

45:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah where it's like there's. I mean, yes, if I wanted, if I wanted to bet Sunday NFL for you know 250K a pop, then I'd have to be you know be, you know be, that the bankroll thing would be back. But I'm not doing that, so it's I don't. I no longer have like this separate, like I don't pot of money, that's you know 10K, that I'm doing units and a percentage of that. You're kind of trying to get down what you can get on a play. 

45:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's bad advice for the average person, but it's just the reality of our situations. I mean to answer the question. Let's say I was even just a slightly positive winning bettor or a casual or somebody who just found an edge. Would I ever break my own guidelines if I really loved a bet? No, I would not recommend someone do it, unless it was like you are actually certain about the edge. 

46:23
You know someone sends you. Hey, rob, they filmed this NHL All-Star game thing yesterday in Vegas, shooting pucks in the fountains at the Bellagio. You're like, yeah, okay, this guy's always sent me info and it's always been right. I'm going to go, I'm going to mash this thing, but if it's, you think you have a bigger edge because Max Scherzer's on the mound tonight and you love Max Scherzer pump. You know it's you know, pump the brakes. 

46:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I always use this comparison your life and your happiness. When you go from $0 to a million dollars, the difference in that is so significant and change. Yep, the difference from one to two or two to three is minute or almost nothing. So if you go from a million to zero, that that, that to me, is kind of what I always think of in my head as and. So if you're even if you're, you know you're using a, a $5,000 bankroll or something, if you lost all like if you go from 5,000 to zero, that pain and that angst and that is going to be significantly more than if you went from, in one night, 5,000 to 7,000. 

47:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Totally agree. Totally agree. Love the show. I have a question that might be a bit outside the box. What's something in your life that you approach with the same analytical mindset as sports betting? Whether it's finances, maybe an an everyday decision, do you always have that edge mentality? 

47:57 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I have a few examples. Yeah, I know you're gonna have a few. I would say when I'm now shopping, we'll use it as like a top-down approach. When I'm gonna buy something, especially if I know if it's not like a product that would be at multiple places, I'm gonna do. You know, it's not like there's no Walmart, kmart, odd screen or any of those, but I will look around to you know eight, ten different sites just to check. You know just. I mean you can do one of those searches in. You know five minutes, yeah, yeah. So I will always shop for the best price for anything that I'm buying. 

48:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You heard it, joey corporate infinite bankroll still shops, it's just, it's ingrained. 

48:38 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Why would I pay if the exact same product is a 99, 99, you know one place and it's 120 everywhere else? Why would I not then buy the? And so yeah, yeah, it's just, it's just now a way of life yeah, um, okay. 

48:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I think a few things for me. One one is one is golf. So from an analytical mindset, a lot of people know this about me. Johnny used to roast me for this on the podcast. Every time I track every single golf shot. I make Every single shot Distance. It went. 

49:14 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Oh, I didn't know, it was that. 

49:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Where it went. Because when I go to practice I want to like you usually have a general idea Like you'll play around and you're like, ah, you know I was, you know, hooking everything today. You can go and you can work on that, but sometimes you really don't know. It's even times where you're playing well. You don't know where your misses are coming from. You think back on the round. So for me, if I'm playing four or five rounds a week, I track everything because it helps me practice going forward. It's no different than how I track everything in sports betting, because I want to know where I'm at with everything. Do I push this further and not? So that's one thing. 

49:50
From a pure analytics mindset, this is actually insane behavior. I'm embarrassed to even say this out loud, but I designed like a model for buying wine, okay, okay. So I get a box of wine delivered to my house every like one or two months. Yeah, I like to drink wine. I'm not a wine connoisseur by any stretch of the imagination. I like to think I could tell the difference between like an expensive bottle and like an $8 bottle. I'm pretty certain I could do that. But what I've done is I have a scraper that scrapes all the prices from the LCBO, which is our in Ontario where we buy our alcohol Okay, the LCBO. And I have another scraper that scrapes wine reviews from a website called Vivino and I basically buy what I consider to be the best reviewed wines for the price that they're currently at, and I do this for every wine purchase. I know it's insane. That's incredible. 

50:58 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I really like yeah, I didn't know where you're going with that one. 

51:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I wasn't expecting it to go there, so I get when I go to the liquor store, right, I can buy beer easily, I know what I like. I buy seltzers, I like high noons, like I know that. But from a wine perspective, I get it's like overload for me, right, Because I know nothing about wine. It's like it's Argentina and Chile and Australia, canadian wine, napa, whatever, and I'm like I don't fucking know. 

51:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You know, most people just like search this on Reddit wine recommendations. 

51:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But that doesn't work. I went down, so here's what happened. I was getting frustrated with people who would like. Buddies of mine are like oh you gotta, you gotta try this wine. Whatever that'd be like, I don't know yeah so, so I've gone down this path. There's there's also another element to this, which is once. I've tried it once. Yeah, I don't care what it's, whether or not my wife enjoyed it or not. I do mark that as well. So, if you know, I'll buy repeats. 

51:58 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Okay, she liked it, if we both liked it, but yeah it's a, it's a scientific the crux of the question has your wine enjoyment increased since you've started? 

52:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
without a doubt, okay I very rarely have a bottle now where like that was bad okay extremely rarely relative to previous wine purchases in life. What I've learned is that I feel like there's like a the price of wine Side business there. 

52:24 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Well, I don't know if you-. 

52:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like you'll go to a liquor store and there'll be 200 bottles of wine that are in 20 bucks. Yeah, how are you deciphering between all of those if you know nothing about it? So I just wanted to get it down to like a more. If you're leaving reviews on Vivino like you're a wine snob. Like you're like right, that is fair. 

52:47 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You know what I'm saying so, that's it. 

52:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So, yes, that's my edge mentality. Can I have a couple here? Yeah? 

52:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
give Okay. So first one I learned this off, johnny, actually, oh well maybe we're not going to like that one. Well, he, he would calculate the expected value of paying for insurance and something like a car rental. Okay, so how much would it cost if you got into a fender bender to fix the car, and then what's the percentage chance you would give yourself to get into a car accident? 

53:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, you're pricing out your entire life now. 

53:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You price it out. There was a real life, no accident. But he did price it out in real life, in front of me, which made me think so. And for insurance. I won't maybe necessarily make an exact calculation, but I'll like try to guess based on the percentage chance of me getting in a crash. Another thing I don't know. I'll let you go to the other thing in a second Go ahead. 

53:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know that I love that one because like really dark and jaded here, but like what if you're in Florida and you're like have to price the percentage chance that your house gets devastated by a hurricane? 

53:50 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Like you're not gonna take out insurance because you mispriced the probability. 

53:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But like betting, let's say I have like a, like you said earlier, if I have a monster edge on something, I plug it in like Kelly and it tells me to bet like 20 units. 

54:03 - Joey Knish (Guest)
There hasn't been a storm here in 23 years. 

54:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's a 6% chance that my house gets taken out. 

54:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, but I'm not going to bet 20 units on something that. 

54:11
Kelly says bet 20 units on Fair enough. So in that case, yeah, if I broke, yes, and put all my bankroll on this, so that that's basically you're betting your entire bankroll when you're not insuring your house but for something like car insurance, when you're doing a small trip, you could price it in so like, so, like betting, you could decide if it's just not worth the risk of losing going bust. Essentially right, uh. Second thing I think it applies to a lot of sports, but specifically I play a lot of darts and darts is all about math. Because of the combinations, you need to get down to something you can finish on to check out, because you have to finish on a double right. So you need to give yourself the best possible opportunity to leave something at which you can hit a double. 

54:53
It's hard to explain to people who don't follow darts. No, I know exactly what you're saying, but you need to hit the outer ring. But in order to hit the outer ring, you need to be on a number that can leave you a combination which gets you to the outer ring to hit a double. So, for instance, 166, you cannot check out because treble 20, treble 20 leaves 46. But 170, you can do treble 20, treble 20, bullseye 167,. You can do treble 20, treble 19, bullseye. So you need to leave specific combinations. So as I'm playing I look at surface areas of different parts of the dartboard and I try to, in my head on the fly, kind of guesstimate essentially what is the highest percentage shot to leave myself something that I can finish on. 

55:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So that's where I would have like that's one you can really apply Some Rain man shit right there. Man, no, honestly, though, you'd have to play like that, because everyone, like every pro, plays like that I was going to say I'm not sure every pro is doing that. 

55:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It sounds like complicated, but also you've Through experience. If you're playing enough, you see what number you have, you know what to where to throw, but when you're initially starting, just figuring that out is complicated. 

56:01 - Joey Knish (Guest)
rental car insurance let me give you. So I rented a u-haul like 10 years ago to move. Okay, yeah, and I was going to a different as I took out the insurance. Okay, as, thankfully as I'm taking it back, I'm pulling out of, uh, one of the driveway and scrape a pillar and the pretty bang up this u-haul pretty good, took it back to the. It was still drivable and all that took it back. They're like do you take the insurance? I was like, yeah, yeah, I paid for it. Okay, all right, good to go. I mean plus cv. It probably saved me a good 10 grand there, because that side of you all was, I guess, the idea is over time. 

56:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Would I have it's like now. You could definitely, from personal experience, price the expected value of not paying for a streetcar or something like that, because if the ticket's like $100 and I'm paying like $4 a time, am I going to go 20 times on the streetcar without getting checked? Maybe two years ago, but definitely not, definitely not now in Toronto. 

57:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean, I do a lot of those things as well. I mean parking downstairs, I do that all the time, yeah, but I'm really lazy too, and sometimes I don't want to walk to the machine and wait for it to connect and get a ticket, so that happens. We'll do a few more here and then we'll wrap it up. If you enjoyed the episode, make sure you smash that like button down below. Make sure you're subbed to your own circles off. 50% of you watching today are not subbed. I don't understand what your problem is. It's easy Just click that subscribe button Like what you do. That you seem like a guy that would watch a lot of YouTube content and not sub to the channels. 

57:38 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, I do, I am that. Yeah. Yeah, you pinged me Scumbag, but not for this show, though Not for this company Subbed Of our five brands that we actively run. 

57:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

57:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
How many am I subbed to? 

57:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I'd set the over-under at two and a half, with uh under being favored. I would take what do you take the? 

57:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
over on two and a half I mean, it comes down to forward progress. 

58:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're not sub to edge work no, and the board, no. Your your sub circles off yeah, and you're sub to your own channel yeah, of course. So it comes down to forward progress I think you would be see, I think he's a competitive enough guy yeah, that he wouldn't want to give forward progress the sub. 

58:17 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You're right, because we were going head-to-head last year for most subs. So no, I'm not. 

58:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say it's easier for us to grow, because it's nfl, but you're not right, correct, so you're two of five yeah yeah, it's pathetic yeah, the two that I'm on what a narcissist sean perry. 

58:35
Uh level narcissism here. Okay, I know a lot of bettors are super data-driven, but I wanted to ask if you ever bet purely based on your gut feelings Maybe it's a team you love or a situation that just feels right Is that kind of stuff a total no-go for you? Thanks, and keep the episodes coming. Jared from Toronto. I've talked about this many times. I will often bet on stuff that is just gut feeling or like I want some extra enjoyment In the summer. Here I'm going to go to Blue Jays games, probably go to 20 games. I'm going to bet the Jays or the over in every one of those 20 games just to give myself a little bit extra excitement. 

59:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Sometimes live betting too. I might not excitement, sometimes live betting too. I might not be running a live betting model, but they're, you know and college football is one I can use as an example where all of a sudden I'll see a defense makes a significant adjustment, where, let's say, they're playing cover two and now all of a sudden they're loading the box and it's giving the other team a bunch of trouble. I'm sure there's a model out there that maybe you know be able to like mix that in, but Joey K doesn't have it. But there'll be something where if I'm watching a game and I see something change, like that, or JK, you know, in an NBA game, where a team you know changes away, they're playing a pick and roll or something, and you're watching you say, oh, they're really struggling with this person on the bench. So yeah, those type of scenarios, uh you'll bet them all the time. 

59:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You could see that with the dog jumping across your vision screen all the time yeah, yeah, yeah. 

01:00:02 - Joey Knish (Guest)
So well, you know, if I'm peeking around her and then she's not wanting, uh, you know the, you know, give a little scratchies then, then yeah what do you do when you come out here with the dog? Uh, I all my family's in town got it, so there, is any animal I'm curious. 

01:00:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't want any animal cruelty stuff. 

01:00:18 - Joey Knish (Guest)
No, no, I'm not leaving her solo for 48 hours with no Some sick stuff. 

01:00:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, yeah, all right, this one's a lengthy question. I had a buddy who said I should get off of the offshore sites because now that the US has legalized sports betting in many states, it would not be profitable for the offshore sites to continue to do business in the US, as all bettors would bet using the legal US apps. But he seems to think that sports betting is such a large part of their business that they will just pack up and take all the customer deposits once they exit the US. So what is your opinion on the offshore sites disappearing due to the influx of legal sites? Sorry if this been answered already. 

01:01:01 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Uh, thanks, and keep up the good work, d um, I've got a strong opinion on this, but I want to I gotta be a little well political on how I'm gonna say it no, you don't have to. 

01:01:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You don't have to be. I mean, I I'd rather you just be honest, like me. The offshore sites will end once all the legal sites provide the stuff that the offshore sites can and right now they can't In some cases a lot of like. I'm a big fan of good products, right Like the products we promote at Hammer here now. I'm always looking for something where they have like a unique selling proposition. So previously was Pinnacle for this channel High limits, never gonna ban you Underdog. Now very different type of game, right, like more of a. It's definitely a rec game, but like innovative good run right. 

01:01:50
FanDuel's another one of our partners, really, in my opinion, really well-run sports book. I still see some of that in the offshore space and in fact I would say like a lot of the offshores run their sites better than the the all these legal apps. Plus on top of that, I mean, there are still benefits for users to go offshore bonuses, especially like deposit bonuses, stuff like that. To me it's got. It's got to be on each individual US state to get their act together and say no, no, no, we don't want money going offshore anymore. I don't see that happening any time in the future. 

01:02:26
I also don't think that most of these sites would just pack up and take all the customer deposits. I don't think so. But it is disclaimer, it is in the realm of possibility. 

01:02:38 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It's happened before. It feels like it's been a long time. Yeah, like in the early, like you know heyday of offshore betting, there were some sites that that happened to. There might be some fringe ones that maybe you could see that in a scenario, but all of the big brand offshores, I think also they have such a a customer base built up over a long time and don't have the overhead cost of the of the domestic legals right where I, I just think they're, I think they're making a lot more money. Well, they don't pay taxes, yeah, and I I don't think you have to spend gambling licenses as much on marketing. They've already got a massive book of players. So there's just a lot of advantages that especially the big brand offshores have that. 

01:03:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I'm a big believer in betting in a lot of spots. Obviously, this doesn't go for every person, but like someone like Kanish would have you know tons of outs available to them. Most bettors, I guess they can't divide up their bankroll by like 40 different spots or something like that and have that available, but having you know three to five is fine. I think that there are some offshore sites that still have a good product and are worthwhile. But if you're ever concerned about that and I do think I don't want to dismiss it as not being a valid concern, it is a valid concern Just don't run up a huge balance with these sites. It's not like you need to have like 20K in every offshore site. You don't need to do that, especially if you're depositing in crypto. You can get money in and out really quickly anyway. So if that's a concern, just don't have a huge figure with these sites. 

01:04:20 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, especially with a couple of the big ones. I still have a very healthy balance at a number of offshore, so I don't think that feels like a long way away, if ever, in terms of a couple of the main offshores maybe not existing Got it If you wanted to pull money out of your account and continuously put it back in so you don't have too much money in the account. 

01:04:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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01:04:52 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You might be in line for a promotion or a raise or something like that, putting it right up on the platter. Senior producer, of course. Executive producer. 

01:05:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
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01:05:15 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I was skeptical on this specific company the first time I heard about it. 

01:05:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
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01:05:56 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, thank you. Edge Boost, yeah, edge Boost. Oh, my God, edge Work. Well, I'm on Edge Work now. Yeah, one day a week. Well, I know, I replaced. 

01:06:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Albert. Albert got hired by Fliff. Yeah, if I could short a company, if I could short Fliff with Albert there. Yeah, I don't mean that if his employers see that. I do like the kid, he is one of the biggest mushes. Everyone's got that one guy. 

01:06:23 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Hope it works out. You're going to need an edge boost, yeah. 

01:06:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean edge work. Wednesdays, if you want to catch me giving out hockey picks. 

01:06:31 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Big upgrade, maybe the biggest upgrade in the history of any content going from Albert to the Pizza man. 

01:06:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, in terms of plays that might actually win yeah, if you talk to Shipper, he would say going from Jeff Feinberg to Joey Kanish on Circle. Back it was yeah, I wonder why Johnny never picked this question. I think it's because he doesn't watch movies. It's the question is what's your favorite movie of all time? It's a great question. Johnny's not a favorite movie of all time I saw a great question. 

01:06:59
Johnny's not a big guy. Well, like I don't think he, I don't think he does much outside of like he's like he's doing some training, some sparring, okay, like that, like outside of that I don't think he watches like TV or movies, he's not into pop culture stuff it's what powers Brad powers from hit the books, who I do the show with. 

01:07:19 - Joey Knish (Guest)
uh, great college football show on this network. Uh, who has has had a lot of like takes on twitter in the last year or two about how movies in general seem to have, like the the market changed, right, yeah, where you used to have, movies used to be super popular, there used to be all different spans of types of movies and now it became like it was either like indie niche film with no budget, or massive Marvel superhero movie, and now even the Marvel superhero movies aren't as doing as well. It's like I don't know. It feels like movies are at an all-time. But to answer the question, token answer for rounders is obviously one of my favorites. Yeah, you mean you're based off of. 

01:08:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
John Turturro's character. Yes, who, the younger Gen Z's actually. They thought when you joined the first Twitter spaces. You were like a real Joey Kanish in life. 

01:08:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yes, yes. 

01:08:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like a poker grinder, a rounder. 

01:08:18 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Right, right. So I will say though Heat with Pacino. 

01:08:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
De Niro. 

01:08:25 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Love. Oh my God, that movie was probably 20 years ahead of its time in terms of like. If you watched that in like 2015, you'd be like, oh, this just came out, like you know, a month ago. 

01:08:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What's the podcast that Bill Simmons does? 

01:08:41 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Oh yeah, they've done like three episodes on Heat Rewatchables, the Rewatchables. 

01:08:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The Heat ones. Yeah, I've watched Heat. It's in my top 10 for the amount of times I've watched it in my life. I love Heat. Oh my God, really good movie. I hope they don't ruin it with the next installment that's coming out. Are they doing another one? Yeah, they are Okay, same, I don't know. Okay, have you ever seen Wayne? 

01:09:05 - Joey Knish (Guest)
grow in like anything else ever again. A couple of things Okay, but they were very niche roles again, similar to where how he was in that where he's just kind of pick a favorite movie. 

01:09:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think Goodfellas is my favorite movie. Okay, um, and the next one, like another one that I would debate. People will say I'm insane. They'd be like how could you put like? This is a disrespect, sacrilegious to even bring this up. But because I've watched it so many times and I don't think that there will ever be another comedy like it. Dumb and dumber is one of my favorite movies of all time. I fucking love dumb and dumber. I can recite it from start to finish and I still laugh at all the jokes. 

01:09:48 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It's as you said, like I feel this way kind of about how, like um, like the will farrell prime, yeah, and like the vince, like the old, schools and the super bads and stuff. 

01:09:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, like, yes, that's not coming back. You know what I'm saying? It's like you still get that Like yeah. 

01:10:02 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Like you won't get a dumb and dumber movie any ever again. I don't think so. I don't think so. Like that genre of comedy or that style of comedy is not yeah. 

01:10:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But Goodfellas. I'll officially say Goodfellas as my favorite. All right, just a couple more and then we're really going to wrap it up. These are like more personal, so I like to always end with the person. If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be? Don't say Detroit. I'm living where I want to live. Yeah, yeah, michigan man for life, yeah, Detroit man for life. 

01:10:38 - Joey Knish (Guest)
See, there's a few things. If what I do now wasn't a thing right Like I've always dreamed of, you know, having a place in Hawaii or like the Hawaiian Islands, and that you and Simon Hunt both. But you can't really be a great mover when you're out on a Hawaiian island. 

01:10:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's really weird how that I need to get to the bottom of that story. Yeah, I was hoping I would run into Chad Millman in Boston because I saw Jeff Ma and I said, like you're not moderating this year, you're an actual panelist. He's like, yeah, chad Millman is my moderator. I'm like, hey, have him reach out to me and see if we meet up. It didn't happen. Whatever, I need to know that Simon Hunter Hawaii story. Like I need air. 

01:11:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
More than I need it. 

01:11:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Cause I just need to know how this guy who was in Jersey or Philly, one of those that area got sent to Hawaii, apparently like all expenses paid trip where they were mad at him. None, where some other bettors were mad at it, I don't know, but someone really should have pressed him on that. Yeah, I need to know the answer. Yep, it's one of the like got the seven wonders of the world. That's one of the seven like Simon Hunter wonders. Yep, I also need to get to the bottom of that draft day story that he had, or the draft room story, I believe. I believe, because I already talked to Eager about this he didn't consult for the Panthers on the draft, so it must have been the Texans. 

01:12:22
If anyone has an insider in the Houston Texans organization that can confirm that he did not consult for the Texans at this time, reach out to me at Rob Pizzola on Twitter because he claims that he was trying to get them. I believe the story is was trying to get them. I believe the story is he tried to get them. To take Richardson Anthony Richardson. Yeah, yeah, yes, he went into the boardroom as he described it. He pitched Richard and the whole room went quiet is what he said. 

01:12:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It went quiet for a reason because it turns out he's not a very good quarterback. There was nobody in this boardroom and he was at like a you know, a WeWork by himself. Yeah, that, that, uh, that too I would tell you. I always thought there was a time during COVID, yeah, I thought about uh going to a few like like Medellin and a couple of like South America mostly for the Latina women Gringo pig yeah. 

01:13:15
I actually I talked to him frequently at that time but, uh, just to be able to like go through a few like central and south american and, um, sleep with as many latina women as I possibly could, that would be a zero, yeah um, all right, last one where's yours? 

01:13:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
you didn't answer. Oh, that's a good point. So, um, I'm actually living where I want to be right now here we go. 

01:13:39 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You told me not to say detroit and you're gonna stand for the 51st detroit man. 

01:13:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, sorry, I like toronto a lot more than I mean. I've been to detroit several times. Listen to each their own. Um, no, I do have dreams of living in europe someday. Um, but this would be post betting. Yeah, because it's a little bit more challenging. I love the european culture a lot more. Uh, my favorite trips I like all you know, I've taken lots of great trips, but I've had the best times in europe where I don't know um. You know, scandinavian countries are viewed as, like, the best spots to live. Yeah, sweden especially. Um, not scandinavian, but a lot of people talk about switzerland as well. I haven't visited these places, so I don't know um, but I don't see that being the spot, because the issue I have in toronto is the climate. Right, I don't like the winters. Okay, I like to get away. So for me, it's going to be somewhere that is um, you're not going to like Sweden. No, I'm not. I'm like, maybe South of Southern Spain, something like that. 

01:14:43 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Do you feel and I hear what you're saying with some of those, do you feel like and when I've gone to like Mexico or one of the the, everything is just like slower, like there's's less, especially if you go to one of those like there's less going on. Do you think that lifestyle would be like when you live in a bigger city in North America? Yeah, there's kind of a very fast paced yep like productivity style, like life that I mean. We really it. Just as we're working here, like everything, everything going off, we'll do some other stuff. 

01:15:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Do you think you'd be able to adjust to the wind down of a Me personally, yes, okay, so like there was a period of my life where I prioritized nightlife as, like my number one. I lived in the downtown core, like a couple blocks from here, with my girlfriend and who's now my wife, but we love. I love that for a long time. Now, you know, I go away and I meet friends for three days and I'm like I can't do that again. I prefer the more relaxed vibe, right, like for me, a place where I can golf, a place that has a beach. Well, I just I like to live comfortably and eat well, and that's going to be the most important. It's like a spot that is known for food, so very different, and that might change five years from now. But yeah, it's an interesting question. Like, ideally, I'd like to have two different spots. Yeah, I love Toronto. I love this city in the spring and summer. Yeah, I put it up there with the best in the world. I tell people all the time don't visit Toronto in the winter. Why do you want to do that to yourself? It's not even that cold, but it's colder. You can't enjoy the city as much. So I love Toronto in the summer. It's just like those winter months. I need to be somewhere else. I do need to be somewhere else. Last question, then we're wrapping Very introspective question what's something that people would be surprised to learn about you? 

01:16:51
If it's going to take you time, I can give mine. Yeah, go ahead. So people don't realize I'm. I'm like, uh, I'm a very emotional person. So people I think I come across as being like a hard ass. It's the way I talk. It's a little bit arrogant, I get it, but I'm actually extremely emotional, like I'm the type of guy that cries in movies, tv shows when, like a main character, I was. I mean, no spoiler, I don't want to give spoilers, but I was watching Red Wedding. Well, red Wedding I knew was going to happen. Red Wedding I had read the books before the Red Wedding happened. I lived that through my wife who did not know what was gonna happen. That was a rough one for her. Yeah, but, um, what's that? The show was sterling k brown on disney plus. Right now I can't remember what it's called. Um, I was watching that with my wife and, uh, there's a emotional tear jerker episode. 

01:17:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But I'm like, I'm that guy I'm a I'm a very emotional paradise that's the one uh interesting concept. 

01:17:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
One episode is just like really got me, but that that's I. I think people would be really surprised to know that I will say this is low 20s. 

01:18:05 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Before I got into betting, I was like obsessed with fitness, Uh, and like to a point of I mean this is surprising, I know. Surprise where great answer, where, like I, I mean I could for my weight, like I could bench over like 350 pounds, Like I was weightlifting at like that, I don't know, I mean for a few, like probably from 18 to 23 at like an obsessive. I might've take some substances that can help you with weightlifting and I was like they also do the shrinkage. Well, you know that-. 

01:18:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's your prime, where you you know like the girls are excited because you're chiseled, but then they see the goods and you get a little underwhelmed yeah. 

01:18:52 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah, that you can be, uh, you know that's when, when, not the first time it happened, but uh, yeah, that and I, where I was, you know just uh, it even caused me some issues where I was taking so much of the uh substances. For a while it actually was like enlarging my heart a bit. Like I went to the doctor and they were like you have to stop like with, and so that took me out of and for kind of a long time I was out of it and I've gotten back. If you've watched the progress on Hit the Books over the last few years, you know a little back. 

01:19:26
But there was a time where it was like the main component of my life, um, and I'm not really sure I didn't, you know, it was like I was broke, I didn't have a lot going on. It gave me like a sense of self-worth, just being like, you know, being in really good shape, being able to lift a ton of weight and that Um, and so, yeah, that that was uh, it was a period of a life that I do it a little different now, a little bit healthier Now you do your bicep curls with bags of money. 

01:19:56
Yeah, or just but it it for somebody who was, uh, you know when you're you're battling some stuff in your your younger days. It gave me, I don't know, a sense of purpose. Um, and I just I probably took it to an extreme. That was, it was definitely unhealthy. 

01:20:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm honestly really surprised about that. It's not. I'm not just making a joke. It doesn't seem in character for you. I mean, that was a long time ago, but yeah, yeah, that was something that you wouldn't and I don't. I'm number one to. It's something that you wouldn't and I don't. 

01:20:27 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I'm number one to I don't. I never liked sharing fit. This is before now. Honestly, I go to the gym now and literally like you don't have to say honestly to me no, but I believe you. 

01:20:38
No, no, no, but like half the people there are in some fashion like recording themselves, I know, or doing this is so I worked out out pre heavily like pre this era, and so I was never big on like posting about it, talking, you know, about it, doing social media or any of that stuff, because it was kind of before that time. And now it's like you know, maybe you know joey k would have been, uh, you know, the, the old, the new, bradley, martin, joey influencer at that some point in life. 

01:21:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
so should we get you a fight at rough and round I was gonna say yeah, can you? 

01:21:08 - Joey Knish (Guest)
book uh in the ring uh, moretto, uh, jace, jason, um, or people that don't work for this company. 

01:21:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think you're oh for two in both of those. You think I lose both. Jason does like kickboxing. He, I think jason will mess you up. Jason does muay thai. 

01:21:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
yeah, he'llay Thai, he'll mess you up. 

01:21:28 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I'm taking him out. 

01:21:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Moreno's got significant reach on you. 

01:21:33 - Joey Knish (Guest)
He's like a beanpole. 

01:21:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's like 150 pounds. 

01:21:36 - Joey Knish (Guest)
If we're doing UFC, I get him on the ground. 

01:21:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
it's over Rough and Rowdy's just boxing matches, right, because I remember Nadeau fighting Jersey Jerry. 

01:21:43 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I know, I remember that that was a really tough watch. 

01:21:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Moreno's one of those guys. You just put a hand on your head and keep you at distance. 

01:21:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It might be boxing would be a little tougher. I'm still taking him out, though, like I'm still 2-0 there. 

01:21:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Who's your arch nemesis outside of the hammer? 

01:21:56 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Outside of the hammer Somebody I'd love to actually swing at. It's funny, you know, as I've gotten older, a lot of these old beefs. You know who I'd love to go at Spanky, you know, get his old ass in the ring and shut him up. You know the little chirping I've always said for the right amount of money at Bet Bash, I would fight him. 

01:22:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think he would KO you within a minute. But if he didn't, I mean there's no great way of saying this, but I get it. It's just, cardio is not not that good, Like I don't know how many rounds Spanky can go. 

01:22:33 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I don't know, I mean I. If, like you, put a ring at bat. I feel like he's a little bit missed opportunity there, but like I love to throw Again to me, it'd be worth that I've heard that there it's possible. 

01:22:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's possible. Well then you have to get the fights like sanctioned and stuff like that. 

01:22:50 - Joey Knish (Guest)
There's a lot of things I don't know. 

01:22:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You can't Right, right, right, but I've heard that they've been really seriously looking into the possibility of hosting some fights at Bed Bath Beyond. 

01:23:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I gotta tell you that would be. I'm excited, that would be so electric. And if they booked action on it, oh my god, yeah, oh my god I would love, I would johnny's trained boxing like a couple years yeah, he hasn't had an official fight, right? 

01:23:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think they're just waiting for some duster to throw his way so he can get like his confidence up in this first fight because he's a serious gym. I would love to watch johnny like ko man of the library or something man, a library would be a great one to like watch that fedora fly off his head, yeah, as johnny just fucking rips him in the jaw. 

01:23:33 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Oh, man honestly bonus question. 

01:23:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
What would be your answer for this rob? Who would you fight? 

01:23:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
so listen, this is a huge cop-out. It's like this a enormous cop-out. I can't see, I cannot. I can't wear contact lenses because I have such a bad stigmatism that it bothers my eyes so much, and I can't not wear glasses so I cannot actually fight someone. 

01:23:55 - Joey Knish (Guest)
When I was younger, I you wear like the what's the NBA player that you like? I do Horace Grant, I do wear those for basketball, yeah. 

01:24:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's a Blue Jays pitcher like Brett Cecil, who used to wear these. They're not even goggles. They they're not even goggles, they're more like. But getting hit with those on. 

01:24:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The Edgar Davids. Yeah, there's so many players along those lines. 

01:24:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I can't. So this is just fictional. But if I wanted to fight someone I don't know who are my enemies it's Simon Hunter's. That would be great. He's way bigger than me. He'd rock me. I got to be real, I think so. I guess I don't that guy's got at least 100 pounds on me, Like he's. 

01:24:37 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You think he's 100 pounds smaller, I mean you're definitely taller than him. 

01:24:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
How is he, Rob? I don't know. 

01:24:41 - Joey Knish (Guest)
We're going to have to get the I feel like you think, if you spent six months at Johnny's gym for a boxing match with Simon Hunter. 

01:24:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, also, here's the problem. I know myself right. So even if I was in one of these fights, I wouldn't have it in me to train for it. I would just view it as a colossal waste of time. Through the summer, I'm going to knock golf so I can go to the gym and spar with people To lose you aren't signed up, I fight. Hitman. I want to fight Hitman. I want to fight Hitman. I'm pretty sure I could rock Hitman's world. 

01:25:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I just want to put a disclaimer Neither Kanish or Rob are saying they want to fight some people. Oh, I would fight Spanky for the right dollar amount, I mean there's a price for everything. I don't want people taking the Simon Hunter one out of context. Like oh, Rob's calling Simon Hunter to fight him. 

01:25:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, they can. Whatever it's good for engagement. 

01:25:28 - Joey Knish (Guest)
If I'm getting booked at Bet Bash for the right amount of money, then I'm spending like I'm signing up for a boxing gym. I'm spending the entire summer training for that baby. 

01:25:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
See like the people you have that vendetta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would not let myself lose without giving a million percent. 

01:25:45 - Joey Knish (Guest)
They're going to have to like, yeah, knock me out and at least I'll go down with. It's not going to be like you know they do in Jersey, jerry, where it's like the like, no, it's going to be. 

01:25:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
If I lose, I put everything. I possibly can to make sure I did it. So I have to just say all right, I lost. 

01:26:01 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Like I can take the L, but I'm going in, like I'm giving it everything I got into that See into that. 

01:26:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
See, like all my internet wars have been with people who are much larger than me. Now that I think about it, like that guy, that that farley bets, chris farley yeah he's. He's pretty physically like he was in the military, like he's gonna fuck me up if we ever fought. I don't want to fight him. You think you beat up philly godfather? He's always right philly godfather, fuck up, fuck him up. Yanni the greek, I will fuck. They'll rock those dentures right out of his mouth. 

01:26:29 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I was going to say some of those guys now are pushing like. I don't know, I don't know. They've been around a long time. I think Fezzik would fuck me up though. 

01:26:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Fezzik's big and he's like, because I don't know how the age difference affects this. Right Like I'm in my late 30s, if you're fighting someone in in their 60s and they're in peak physical condition, who has the edge? 

01:26:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I don't know, I don't know why, tyson, I was going to say we taught Tyson Paul Right, but Tyson was in a wheelchair six months prior to that fight and Paul's training every day? 

01:26:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah Right, I don't know. I would love to see fights that don't involve me at Bad Bash. 

01:27:04 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I got to tell you if they ever pull that off. 

01:27:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean Zilbo wants to fight Book at Trent. He's been on that for he's been challenging him to a fight for a long time. 

01:27:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is such a good idea. If they could execute it, it's like yeah. 

01:27:16 - Joey Knish (Guest)
It would legitimately, especially because the clientele that you would have interest in has a lot of capital. 

01:27:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You know what I'm saying. This would be a lucrative investment of time. 

01:27:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If Zilbo fights Trent, I want to be in Zilbo's corner. Let's say all right let's say they have a I want to be like if you go down right now like all you've worked for that documented record of the last 10 years, it's gone. 

01:27:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Nobody will remember that You're going to give him the 2.5K to not go down. You're going. 

01:27:44 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Bilbo's like a cup man and they're like the manager the guy. 

01:27:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's like giving them the in-between. 

01:27:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'll put the mouth guard in his mouth before he goes in and everything Full of marinara. 

01:27:56 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Full Like. Oh, is he bleeding. 

01:27:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like oh no, just a little, marinara, he's got on his face. 

01:28:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We got it through the rounds, he would actually smoke like he would rip a cigarette between rounds 100%. 

01:28:07 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Legit Bet cigarette between routes 100. Legit bet bash. I mean, what's the the real? Like people are paying a thousand dollar ticket for a full slate of bet. Bash fights right like are you if you've got a full? 

01:28:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
next. So like spanky's always done levels of tickets, right there's a general admission and yeah it's probably like the top tier, where they throw in a few because that money's got to go towards the fighters, right, right easy. 

01:28:32 - Joey Knish (Guest)
A thousand dollars, a per a thousand dollar, whatever up on that ticket price for for fight night it depends on what um and who, what the card is. 

01:28:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I need to know the card yeah, beforehand. 

01:28:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, you gotta get a good card but I mean I'm not like a a. 

01:28:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
UFC guy anymore. I used to love it when I was growing up. I just can't keep up with it. Events are late at night. Yeah, when I'm doing shit with my wife, I can't do it. 

01:28:55 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I mean, maybe you get a little like Taylor Mathis versus Amanda Vance, like WWE style, like lingerie match. You know you get you went straight to the cat, yeah well that. I mean, you put that on there, you've got. You know, I don't think that's going to happen. 

01:29:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, probably not, but I think Taylor Mathis is like due around that time. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, fighting as a mom of a newborn would be great. 

01:29:20 - Joey Knish (Guest)
But hey, I mean just throwing that out. That's one of the ideas out there for the card. Then you get I don't know you get spain like jeff ma. 

01:29:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Who doesn't want to throw a punch at jeff ma? 

01:29:33 - Joey Knish (Guest)
john high slop and kirk evans, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or kirk and tunes, just uh, you know no one. 

01:29:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If you see tunes, no one is going to want to fight tunes no, no, but I'm saying they're withdrawing from that fight or they're not. They're not making weight or something. Yeah, yeah, this is a great idea. 

01:29:49 - Joey Knish (Guest)
If anybody ever is able to pull it off, it'd be like the most unforgettable night in gambling history in the industry. 

01:30:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Years ago I would have been like 21 years old. I fought just for content. Yeah, robin Black who is a trained MMA fighter but never good like bottom of the barrel type of MMA fighter For content, where we were like an octagon and it was how many times could he submit me in five minutes? And then we were in a boxing ring sparring. We had the headgear on and it was how many times can he, you know, force me to go down in like five minutes? It was kickboxing, by the way, I can't see, dude. So I'm like literally like trying to spar this guy. I have no fucking clue, dude. Does this video still exist on the internet? I actually have a DVD copy of it. Yeah, I'll bring it in. I do have a DVD copy. I'll never forget. I had like no gym equipment. This was like this was pre-planned without me knowing, so I just like showed up at work. 

01:30:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You had to have gotten like concussed Mildly. He submitted me four times in five minutes. 

01:31:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's actually not, but he, in fairness, he tried to submit me different ways. Okay, I will say the leg lock that he put me in caused damage for like a month afterwards. Yeah, my quad I don't even know what happened, but it was fucked up. Like at least when he put me in an arm bar or a choke. I was tapping that leg lock on me for like one minute, fucking killed the sparring. After a while I gave up. 

01:31:28 - Joey Knish (Guest)
I was going to say that seems more intense than the submitting. 

01:31:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, the real problem is when you're fighting like a trained like kickboxer, they can get you in any way possible. So he's punching me in the head and you know it's not like he's trying to hurt me Right. But he's giving me shots in the head and then you know you put your arms up to like make sure you and it's kickboxing guys and you know what like when a kickboxer kicks you in the legs, even when they kick you at like half yeah, you have no idea how much getting kicked the leg hurts and they put their the whip of, like the hip into it. 

01:31:58
You want to die, dude. There was no way I was ever going to protect. Protect my face again. After getting a couple kicks, my arms are just dropped. 

01:32:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Did you not have shin pads for this? No, that's honest, that's crazy. 

01:32:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I convinced myself at one point. I'm like next time I get rocked in the head, I'm going down and I'm staying down, and they're trying to get me up off the mat. Cam Stewart is like get up Pizzle. I'm like shut up, you get in the fucking ring, man, I'm done with this. So yeah, I'm not a fan. 

01:32:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But I yeah. 

01:32:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's like hard to be. It's just all a blur, everything's a blur. You know, if somebody's standing two feet in front of me without my glasses on and they hold up fingers, I can't tell you how many fingers they're holding up. That's how bad the vision is, so could never do it. Anyways, that's going to be it. Yeah, appreciate you joining us. Yeah, that was good, even though it was only more than worth the trip. 

01:32:54 - Joey Knish (Guest)
You don't know that, but you're going to have to pay tariffs on that one across the border. I hope we're all united as one sooner than later. 

01:33:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would. I don't want to be like. I'd like to be united as one again where, like, we go back to the same relationship Canadians had with Americans. This was like a gentle, friendly rivalry, but we got along. That's what I'm hoping for. I don't want to be one as a country. 

01:33:14 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Next time I come up, I was thinking of doing like a just like you know, walk the streets and like in some like USA swag and just ask people their you know their opinions on joining America. 

01:33:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it's like safe to do that. 

01:33:29 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Yeah. 

01:33:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We're still Canadians at heart. 

01:33:31 - Joey Knish (Guest)
Right, yeah, no one's going to want to throw down, maybe a couple crazies, you'll meet some people that agree with it. 

01:33:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, exactly you will. You'll meet a lot of people that are that will be on the. They'd like to be part of the audience. Anyways, all right, that's going to be it. Those circles off. If you enjoyed the episode, smash the like button, make sure you're subbed here. Of course, go over to hit the books and sub there as well, but also go over to forward progress and sub there as well. We're not just giving hit the books, all the love, forward progress, lots of draft the board edge work, all of it. Draft stuff coming up for NFL as well, which will be released released in the next couple weeks. So you'll want to check that out back next week with a brand new circle back and circles off. Peace out, everyone. Enjoy the week.