00:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
On this week's episode of Circles Off. We recap Johnny's big bomb banger losing bet on Jake Paul against Tommy Fury. We'll also talk a little bit about niche sports and whether we can see one grow and become big in the gambling space. All that and more on this week's episode of Circles Off. Come on, let's go. Welcome to Circles Off, episode number 91 here on the hammer betting network, the circles off youtube channel. You can also check us out in audio format on spotify and apple podcast, rob pazola, joined by johnny from betstamp. How are things? 91 and there's lots of 90. 

00:40
My own personal hockey number really you are 91 war 91, I had you a big Sergey Fedorov fan growing up. 

00:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, I just liked. I started off with 71, then I moved to 81, then I moved to 91. 

00:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're not born in 91 either, so no, just like the number it was before. 

00:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like Stamkos Tavares, tyler Sagan were in the league, so it wasn't that coffee Tar. So it was. It wasn't erisenko 91 too. 

01:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, he was way later. Senko, uh, nfl, there's like 91s, but they're all one of my personal favorites for no reason other than he played in the cfl and then went to the nfl and he was dominant was cameron wake cammy wake 91 fins, but it's like a very defensive line. Trey hendrickson wears 91 now. A guy I used to hate back in the day was justin tuck, because I'm a cowboys fan, so I remember him wearing 91. Uh, and one of the most famous ones would be dennis rodman with the bulls or 91 yeah, for a few years with the bulls there. 

01:34
That's pretty cool, but uh, we're good, we're. It's getting sad now because we're gonna. We're like I don't know what we're gonna do when we get to 100 you, maybe we just start again. 

01:43 - Zack Phillips (Other)
We start at like a 1, 2, 3. 

01:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Again though we only started at episode 60. 

01:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I feel like we have to keep it going because Kanishk hates it so much that we have to. 

01:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Did anyone wear 100? Has anyone wore a triple digit? No, it just means double zero. 

02:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's been double zeros in sports. 

02:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
There's guys who wore triple digits on stupid stuff. 

02:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would love to see somebody wear triple digit numbers. It's not allowed. There's got to be a ref. 

02:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That was triple digits in the NFL. 

02:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The NFL definitely does not allow this. Like they fine people for wearing the wrong color cleats. Like there's no way they're letting you roll out there with a 107. 

02:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But it would be better. The worst is the NFL. You get a penalty if you have two guys on the field the same Jersey number and you're allowed to have two guys on the team same number as long as they don't play on the field at the same time. What coach is allowing that? There's been like, if your team gets a penalty for having two number four teens on the field because one guy, who's undoubtedly a special teamer yeah, didn, who's undoubtedly a special teamer yeah, didn't want to just wear a random number. Buddy, pick a number. You're not risking a penalty for this. Here's my move if I'm a special teamer. 

02:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, I'm going to look around the league at the most widely worn quarterback number and I'm going to try to take that for my team. That way, if that QB ever gets traded to my team you're like you know, I love this number give me x amount of dollars, like yeah, you know, and I'll let it go a watch, or else the team has to like literally cut you and pay. 

03:17
Well, it's not guaranteed, no, they could just tell you whatever but yeah, yeah, but it's one of those right like 20 grand even it would also be like very bad like pr for the team if they cut you because you wouldn't give up your number, like then you would go to every, so like you would just go on like this pr nightmare campaign for the team. 

03:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What were the like back in the day. I think we used to hear like people who were like no, I wasn't giving up my number yeah, like I I've never like. 

03:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm born de 12, 12. I've worn 12 my whole life, but you wouldn't give up that number for Tom Brady. 

03:48
But I would. I honestly don't care, like I after. You know, when I played rep hockey I'd go to a team one year where somebody else wanted 12. I'd never put up. I don't really ever care about my number. But when you're in the pros and there's like actual dollars and cents on the line, like you hear the stories of like oh, the quarterback took the guy out for like a really nice dinner, it's like who cares a nice dinner? You know I'm not giving up my number for a nice dinner when this quarterback's making 40 million guaranteed number 23 23 nba. 

04:21
I don't nba is very hard for me to tell number 23. I don't know. 

04:25 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I don't watch fred van vliet lebron, james lebron james oh, that's right, not not jordan. 

04:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
First guy you said oh, you're talking about right now, no, no, I wasn't well, technically you did say fred van vliet, so he's the goat well, local market, local market yeah, interesting rob, you've been doing some uh, some putt putt commentary lately. What's going on? 

04:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
uh, I'm enjoying this quite a bit I I like how you've started with this instead of, uh, of paul fury, by the way, you're trying to let people like we can't, we cannot start with that job. 

04:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The fix was in. I don't know what else to say. I dropped the wrong script. 

05:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I dropped a big bomb banger on jake paul at Pinnacle Sportsbook. No, just Pinnacle minus. I didn't even get a good. Honestly, you messaged me, you're like hey, just want to remind you. Like, this fight's not tonight, it's actually coming up in half an hour and I was mad scrambling and I have my Pinnacle account funded for like so we'll post the bet slip afterwards. I'll hide the amounts and whatever, but I literally post the bet slip afterwards. I'll hide the amounts and whatever, but I literally bet ball and uh, you know, I bet him at pinnacle, the world's sharpest sports book now available to residents in ontario. Find out, where professional bettors have known for decades. Pinnacles, where the best bettors play. You must be 19 plus. Please play responsibly, like I did as well on the weekend. But I bet it and, uh, I mean, no good could have gone either way, split decision loser no good I don't know what else to say. 

05:49
Well, I know what to say. You have to redeem yourself at some point I gotta give another pick what this is. If this was like a five unit banger, you're gonna have to give a 10 unit at some point. 

05:59
I will have to give a 10 unit bang, it doesn't have to be today, but like and if that doesn't win, then we'll have a 20 unit banger whale play. 20 unit great beluga whale play. Great white shark base bomb bang. I love the creative creativity of the names, though in the sense that nobody's creative with the names. They just continuously use the same things over and over double down this weekend. 

06:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
John jones, surreal gone. Fight goes to decision. Yes, good to any number, don't even ask me for a price. Good to any number, fight goes to decision. Fight goes to decision. 

06:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, heavyweight fight so is that five rounder? Is it a main event? Five round, main event, five rounder? Wow that's. That's ballsy man I don't watch a lot of ufc anymore, but back in the day john jones just was fucking stopping people, man and including machine right those elbows man yeah, he was he was ripping elbows non-stop he got dq'd once against matt hamill for like ripping, yeah elbows downwards yeah, 12-6, greatest of all time by a mile. 

07:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, now that we've got that out of the way, well, okay, go ask me any other questions no, I don't want to ask you questions, but I actually really look at, listen. 

07:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I lost money, legitimate money, on the fight. Am I sour with Johnny? Of course I am, 100% I am, but I'm not going to let him know it because he'll redeem himself at some point or another. But I like these events. 

07:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And I don events and I don't know. This one wasn't that. It wasn't that it sucked, the event itself sucked, boxing sucks. That's what it is. 

07:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Boxing legitimately sucks and and I will say it and like, sorry to the, sorry to the hardcore boxing fans, we're gonna get roasted it sucks everything and I'm a fan I'm. 

07:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm saying this as a boxing fan who watches events. By the way, it's so slow in production and it's just hard. It's very, very like forget about the actual fight itself. It's very hard to like sustain a full thing, like even when they're just doing the walkouts. Like it's slow, it's not entertaining. 

07:54
They gotta do all these reads like it's not a thing that you could just get together with your buddies and be like, yeah, let's watch this for the whole night. Like it's. It's not that. Ufc does a much better job of that, mma in general, much better job of that. And then during the actual fight, these typical events, they, they, they don't make them as much of a gimmick Like they should for, like Jake Paul, tommy Fury, they should make it more. Like you know you're getting guys who don't watch boxing, so just give the commentary to like more of a guy who can dude. Let dave portnoy comment sure that the fights like he was for some of those other ones like just make it a bit like portnoy and big cat commentated one of the events, the jake paul events. Yeah, with tommy fury on the under. 

08:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm pretty sure port portnoy had jake paul pretty big this weekend too. I think he did. He was looked like he was sweating. That makes that it all makes. I'm kidding, I know, I know he did but look, it's just too traditional. 

08:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're coming in like and, by the way, for anyone who's like oh, how did they like? What was the scoring in the fight? Whatever, dude, that's how it is. That's how boxing is. Complete randomness on the scorecard. Good luck trying to guess any scorecard. 

09:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So many split decisions oh yeah like ridiculous well, and then also you complicate the the it even further with docking points from each foot. By the way, that ref again, I don't watch a lot of boxing so this is not my element or whatever, but like this was like nfl replacement refs type. 

09:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
at least he evened it out At least he evened it out. 

09:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like what the hell is going on here. But yeah, I remember like when it was going to scorecards I had a few friends message me. Friends bet different things on the fight or whatever. And I'm like you know, I told them I have Jake Paul and they're like what do you think? 

09:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm like I think he lost but but there's a pretty like the chance he's gonna win 50, 50. Yeah, I have no idea what, how this will be ruled. If you, if you went into the, if you went into the decision thinking that the draw wasn't favored, the draw, the draw, honestly, was like it wasn't. I don't know if it was favored, but I think honestly that the draw going into the decision was probably the most likely outcome. These guys are. It's. It's ridiculous how much people just make like put a draw on the scorecard and these, especially in these main event ones, it's crazy. 

10:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I didn't find like the fight enjoyable itself. Those are, these guys were hugging each other a lot. They're clearly gas very early. It's. It's tough, right, and, by the the way, like I'm not talking about their athleticism like it's frigging tough to be to go through 24 minutes, barely do 50 pushups. I mean like, come on, that's tough. 

10:32
But the event itself and I guess this is the benefit of social media nowadays, right, just seeing so many different opinions on what's happening, some people scoring it differently from others, but people just being together on Twitter and like coming together to talk about what's going on in real time, it's really changed. Like I struggle to think about even 10 years ago, 15 years ago, how I watch sports because it's so different now, right, like you just watch it on your own. If this was a fight back in the day 15 years ago, how I watch sports because it's so different now, right, like you just watch it on your own. If this was a fight back in the day 15 years ago, I probably had friends over my house, we'd watch it. But like you don't have anything outside of that until you go into work on Monday, y'all stand around having a coffee Group chats and stuff. 

11:19
But not even like in 20. Well, back then you're saying even like in 20. Back then you're saying, yeah, nothing, there's nothing, and like I wouldn't. How did? How did I live like that? 

11:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
like we obviously didn't know. How did you even know what to bet on back then covers forum? 

11:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
that was it I listen, I, I, I vividly remember watching like the sopranos finale and I have all my friends over my place we're watching. I felt like the power went out at the end of the finale because it's fades to black and we're just talking about it and like I'm like that was really shit, like we all think it was really shit. But like you have no outside perspective and then you know you go in to work on monday and I was like oh, that was crazy sick ending or whatever. I'm like what the hell are you talking about? Did we watch the same thing? Like there's no real time, other perspective that you have, and it's really weird. Nowadays you kind of get both sides of things and they're really extreme. But I don't know, I found it fun. Maybe the timing of it was what was great. Sunday, yeah, just like late afternoon. It's way better than like saturday night. You think, bro, the saturday night ones. I can't remember if the tyson fight was like saturday night most of the main, like the main brutal. 

12:30
I stayed up to like staying out. 

12:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They stay a bit too late. 

12:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is a little annoying it was good, I'm look, I would like again I we had to watch a rematch of that I would. And I would bet it again, probably. And what would you bet? 

12:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
it depends on the line I going to pull it up right now. 

12:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually think a few offshores posted it right away at minus 115, both sides Like a true pick-up Really. 

12:52 - Zack Phillips (Other)
A true pick-up Guys. Just FYI, we have breaking news. It's showtime Patrick Kane is now officially a New York Ranger. 

13:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Wow, eh. 

13:05 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Trade deadline's coming up this week as well. 

13:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Trade deadlines are coming up this week as well, which is always like. Obviously, with us being in Canada, it's a little bit, and the affinity for the NHL there's a lot of talk this week Really frustrates me. Actually, lots of the stuff that goes around, Tommy Fury minus 150. Jake Paulul plus 120 so fury took money yeah that's. 

13:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's like a little bit of basically a reversal of the first fight so that's that's relatively close. 

13:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I personally like these types of events, which is quite literally why, on the hammer h on YouTube this week, we live streamed some World Putting League events. Now, I'm not comparing the World Putting League to Boxing Fight, it's a little more entertaining. 

13:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's way better it was. We're recording this on Tuesday, the day Patrick Kane just got traded to the Rangers, the moment Patrick Kane just got traded to the Rangers. 

14:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll be streaming the knockout bracket of the World Putting League tonight, which I'm very much looking forward to. 

14:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Live at 5 Eastern 6.20. Live at 6.20 Eastern Tune in tonight. No, just kidding. Honestly, this is going to come out on. 

14:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know it'd be two days ago. So I knew nothing about the World Putting League. And they'd reached out and said, hey, you know we. I knew nothing about the World Putting League and they reached out and said, hey, you know, we're doing this event in Myrtle Beach. Is there any interest? And I'm like, hmm, you know what? What time is this event happening? They told me. I'm like I got nothing going on Sounds interesting. Can we get some odds up? They're like, yeah, we're working with sportsbooks now to get odds up. I'm like you get me odds at a North American sports book, I'll do it. They did. I did this event Honestly, not exaggerating I could not pull myself. 

14:55
I had to go to a massage appointment. I did. It went longer. The the like. The prelim round went longer than longer than expected. I could not pull myself away from this and when I first started streaming, I had like 15 concurrent viewers and I'm trying to break this down. I'm like looking at the course on YouTube, people who've hit hole in ones there before I'm looking through the odds. I'm trying to go through it Eventually. It was picking up steam, like we're getting 50 viewers, 60 viewers, 70 viewers all at once and a lot of the people in the chat are people that have participated in these events before. They know these golfers and they're telling me oh no, this guy has no hope. Odds are wrong on this. 

15:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It turned into a very fun event, but nothing was better than seeing the foot putter once this guy's shoe putter a foot putter I could I don't know what we can call it for the audio listeners. This guy had a metal plate not even a putter, a metal plate like attached to the front of of his shoe, the toe of his shoe, at which he was using to kick the ball instead of putting it was illegal. 

15:59 - Zack Phillips (Other)
You can see this on youtube right now. 

16:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
By the way, have this pulled up yeah, so you'll see this in the video version of of the episode, but he, he apparently has very bad arthritis, okay, extremely bad arthritis, so they allow this to happen. It's got approved by the mini golf association. Can't remember what the, the abbreviation? 

16:17 - Zack Phillips (Other)
is wpl? 

16:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think no, no no, it has to get approved by like the like. I'm gonna sad, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna exactly be a complete idiot here but you get past the us anti-doping agency. So you know that was an experience in and of itself, but it obviously only got approved because it's way harder, way, way harder. There's no way they were going to let a person with an advantage like if you go up against the wall, there's someone that comes six, six, six inches club length. 

16:46
It's a half a foot six inches and they come in with like a ruler and they measure it and they place the ball there for you. So there's officials. I was like how's this guy gonna putt if he gets stuck up against the wall and they only give him? His foot is obviously longer than six inches, like, and he had to like angle his foot downwards or use the side of his foot which also had like a different plate on it. This was too much. Then I looked more and more into this. What did that guy end up shooting? Let me find his name, if I can. Did he make the cut? He did not make the cut. 

17:20
His name is Nico Manu. Nico Manu, nico, the foot Manu. Odds were set at 38 and a half, juiced over 38 and a half over minus 150, so expecting him to come in over that number. He shot 38 in round one and 41 in round two so he shot two split, two over par and five over par lost the juice. 

17:42
Yeah, you juiced, juiced out essentially, but um, it was. I. I've never seen anything like this and I actually didn't know the sophistication that goes into this, because people started sending me like screenshots of the pocketbooks that they used to have when they were involved in mini golf leagues, which are, like you know, shows basically every hole and the way that the green, the carpet or the greens break and what bounce it's going to take off an obstacle if you hit it a certain amount. They make like their own notes for themselves, exactly like a PGA Tour member would pull out the book when he's standing over a shot and take a look at it. 

18:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What does it say at the bottom Hawaiian? 

18:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Rumble. Yeah, this is the course. The course is the hawaiian rumble. This is the whole 10 and 11 in the screenshot here at the hawaiian rumble and how, like the green breaks this is nothing. 

18:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This these courses are so easy, uh, so I'll shoot below par guaranteed? 

18:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think I would too. I don't know if I'm going to guarantee it, because there's an element of pressure now that we're adding on ourselves. I'll guarantee a below par. 

18:49 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I want to do this badly. There was a comment in the chat yesterday on the live stream that said I bet you Johnny thinks he can win this. 

18:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know if I'll win it, but I definitely would make the cut. What was the cut line Minus three? I think it ended up being five under minus five. Okay, I would have been right on the cut line. 

19:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, wait through two rounds, right two rounds uh, yeah, I think I can make the cut. I think I would be close to me. I'm gonna use a straight putter. I am too so I could, because I can put right bingo. 

19:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But it's just like wherever you're, wherever you're against the wall you gotta put. You just use the other thing. It's mini putts. 

19:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's very uh and and some of these holes, the t-shot, like their back, is up against, like the little cave thing and they have no room to putt. So I think that's a huge strategy there was one guy, varnador, piss job tony. So again, I know nothing about these golfers going in, other than the media kit that they sent me. So I have the background. 

19:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Listen to this podcast and tony, we're just joking around I was rooting for tony tony. 

19:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was calling him tony varnadore varnadore because of the italian roots, so I was rooting for him, but he hit one up the hill. 

19:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It juiced back down. He tried again back down, so now he's for three. It's all. The holes are par. Two he hits it up the hill, rolls back down off the course. Now he's the reput and he hole-in-ones it he actually came so close. 

20:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's the only person I saw that almost ripped it off the course, like he took a shot so hard that it caught a bump and it bounced off the rocks and I don't even know how it stayed in play, but it did. But yeah, I I can now tell you like I thought at the beginning of this that these odds were like. I'm reading these people's backgrounds, I'm looking at the history. They have two majors, they have the masters and the us open. I'm looking into this stuff like I'm the guy that's gonna like find the edges. These odds were spot on. Whoever was making these odds? 

20:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
well, what juice minus 15 on both sides, 15 cent mines. 

20:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, not bad and I really like I was really pining for this because I knew that they were going to all watch this. Afterwards which they did people from the league message me saying, like you know, girly, good stream, or whatever. I want a pro-am event like where you pair with one of the professionals. I really want to pair with this joey graybeal guy graybell, because he's got the claw grip beautiful stroke. Like I, I want him to win the event tonight. But we? 

21:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
we should do one where we all have to use the foot, putter the foot. The foot putter is so hard yeah, it's insane. Like I definitely wouldn't make the cut with that that's for sure. 

21:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Think about Do one where we all have to use the foot putter. The foot putter is so hard. Yeah, that's insane. 

21:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I definitely wouldn't make the cut with that. That's for sure. 

21:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Think about how hard it is to hit that on a direct straight. Like putter, you can practice that. It's very repetitive. 

21:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It just taps, but it's more of the short yardage. How is he doing that man? 

21:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I have a lot of questions about this altogether. Do people fly Because the prize pool, the? 

21:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
winner of this gets 5K. I would almost rather use this hammer than the foot putter. 

21:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Should we do a tournament where we have to use sledgehammers as our putters? 

21:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh my God, we could. If we do something for mini putt, I would be in, as would I. I love mini putt, and as long as there's no anti-gambling laws, I will also place some wagers on myself. 

22:11 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, okay, heroes. 

22:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That goes without saying. I'll wager on myself to make the cut. That goes without saying that there would be some wagering on this event amongst ourselves. I don't know if we could get a licensed sportsbook operator to list this as well. 

22:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Might operator to to list this as well might have to approach some offers. I don't want to be considered a. It has to be a pro am. I don't want to be, uh, deemed a pro athlete, otherwise I won't be able to wager on sports books but what, what kind of practice do you think goes into these things? 

22:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
like, do people show up like a couple days before play the course, if you? 

22:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
they must. You got to play the course once. Just how do they get those, those notebooks with the breaks, and that's what I'm saying. 

22:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They must they, they like they. I know there was practice sessions in the morning because they were tagging me on twitter. John ace ventura is out on the course, or whatever I thought what about that guy you didn't even say. I thought he was gonna be my guy that I was rooting for. I very quickly grew to dislike him. Who ace? 

23:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
ventura. What's his actual name? 

23:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
john ventura. He's 71 years old. He's considered a very boomer bust player in that he like he's like the guy that likes to go for a hole in ones no matter what, and he'll three putt a lot. Well, he likes to, likes to show, show it off a little bit, you know, but they do these pre-match interviews. And when he said that he called himself Ace Ventura and that Jim Carrey stole the name from him, but that's not how you endear yourself to the watchers. So Ace Ventura, I think, is the heel of like. 

23:34 - Zack Phillips (Other)
The WPL. 

23:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah. 

23:37 - Zack Phillips (Other)
And I was asking people in the chat. 

23:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Gianni Ace Ventura. Note. The funny thing is like all these people know each other. Not all these people. Take a step back here. Lots of people in the chat knew each other. They've played on these events with one another before they know these people in real life. Oh, I know Greg Newport. He's a great guy. Tim Talley good. One guy was like Ryan Reeves is underpriced or. 

23:58 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Randy Reeves. 

23:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Randy Reeves underpriced. This guy's got a big chance and they don't want to like talk shit about the other people, right. But as soon as I said I get these vibes from like ace ventura that people don't like him or like he's the he's the bad boy of the league the chat was like you know not gonna confirm or deny it, but you may be on to something or whatever. Like they did, they didn't. There's like friendship where, like they know, these people know one another so they don't want to openly throw them under the bus, but it feels like Ace Ventura might not be the most liked guy. 

24:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I want to play this course and then just like, just try, and then just like, I want, I want, like, I think I can make the cut. If I don't, it'd be just equally as funny comedy. So I, by the way if, for those listening at home, you want to add this to the list. Johnny said he would make the cut at a world putting the world putting league first. Try playing the course. Don't even need a backup, don't even need a first round, the course and I could build the f1 car I think we're gonna decide to throw that in. 

25:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Here's what we're gonna do. I think some of the people that were involved in this tournament were invitees. They didn't earn their way in or anything like that. I'm going to see if we could get you and me as invitees, and we'll I'll get Zach too. Yeah, we should. I don't know how hard or easy this is, but all I know is that I'm obsessed. I have an addictive personality. Okay, all I know is that I'm obsessed. I have an addictive personality. Okay. I find something I like, I become obsessed with it. I've been playing Marvel Snap on my phone for the past three weeks. 

25:34 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Like it's going to go away tomorrow. I don't even know what that is. 

25:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you don't find out. It's just a very addictive game. That's who I am. I've watched now one round of this. I'm all in. This is like I can't explain it, but there's something that's drawing me to this, like I need it in my life. I need a tournament every day, even if I just throw it on in the background, like on a side screen of my computer. 

26:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Just something to bet on. Let's get some betting odds in Canada, so I could fire some darts. 

26:09 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, I really wanted, rob. When I was watching it yesterday I really wanted um us to be able to go to the next one. Hopefully we can get that in the works, because one thing that I was obsessed with that I wanted was the sideline reporter. I wanted to be the sideline reporter. They were literally cutting to a sideline reporter and they were like going up and interviewing people and I was just thinking about like how funny it would be if we had that ability. 

26:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I don't want to make this derogatory or anything like that, but my Maybe don't do that. No, no, no, my expectations of this were blown away, like I didn't know what. I have no idea what I'm getting into here. At first I'm like, yeah, you know what. I'm all for new content. So, like I like to do things that are outside the box, haven't really been done before. I'm a huge fan of live watch-alongs because I'm going to watch a lot of events anyways. Might as well do it and open up like a community element of it, right. But I'm looking at the website. I'm like Brian Katrick. Like this guy's a PGA commentator they got him. I'm like brian catrick, like this guy's a pga commentator they got him. I'm like, okay, interesting or whatever. The commentary added so much to the broadcast. Plus, they had cameras on every single hole. 

27:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like I didn't know that the quality of the stream was going to be as good as it was and it helped, like it I again well, it's gone now for everyone who's listening to this, but I'm sure Rob will do another one in the future and maybe you might see me in the second round. 

27:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like they've uploaded the day one results to the website in a spreadsheet format. So, like you can you like, literally you can see all the graded lines from the beginning. I'm not, I'm not exaggerating, like every odd that was posted, what everyone did, the overs, the unders, what, they actually posted the over unders to the website. 

27:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, and gratings, yes, who you know. We should get wpl up on bet stamp hole in ones. Dude, I I'll get it up. 

27:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If someone posts odds in canada, we'll put it up, I'm I'm anyways, I'm very addicted and I'm all in on this now. 

28:05 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So we got to get it. We got to get on trend hill to get this up we will matt. 

28:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Trend hill at pinnacle is going to get an email from me saying trend hill this is your bread and butter. 

28:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is small. This is the growth area growth market. 

28:17 - Zack Phillips (Other)
This is the smallest of the mall, small like let's load this thing you got it. 

28:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But if he's going to put it you have to guarantee him a certain handle, just to make it worth his time to post it I personally if you give me limits, five figures on this, well, if, if, if pinnacle gives like 500 limits on this, I'll I'll probably smash 20 bets on this, what do? 

28:38 - Zack Phillips (Other)
you think limits are on this, on uh, knishy p, knishy pph I, I, I don't knish. 

28:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't Kanish. 

28:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We don't advocate for that. 

28:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, yeah, we can't. We're not talking about that world right now, but this is right up Kanish's alley too. Like he's going to find this soon and he's going to be into it. Like his favorite event of the year is the hot dog competition and all the props that are associated with that. Wait till he finds these golfers and there's more. 

29:09 - Zack Phillips (Other)
There's more where that comes from. And if you want to see more of this, go over to the hammer hq youtube channel, where you can see all these watch alongs with rob myself, jacob gromenia, alex moretto and other creators over at the hammer betting network. So make sure to go over there. Hit subscribe, like, like. 

29:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The videos that come out helps us a lot do you think that these niche sports could actually grow into something because of betting? 

29:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
yeah, but it has to be actually better for betting like this. 

29:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll has to be widely available I tuned in. 

29:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I, I tried to watch or listen to the whole thing. Just support the boys also. It was tough to watch without a bet on my end. 

29:46
Not gonna lie, I really wanted to actually bet I was gonna fade varnador to the moon after I saw his putting stroke if there were that's what I'm saying I would have made a lot of money I actually would have made a lot of money live betting this, because I'm like oh, I'm fate, like I would have faded the shoe putter and and varnador yeah, and but the shoe putter had a high total going in already, I know, but yeah, he was like he didn't underperform all that varnador underperformed his numbers by a lot as soon as I saw that guy stroke and I was like, oh, he's got a weird stroke, like he must be, he must be good though, you know, I mean he must be like a good, odd, odd guy, yes. 

30:19
And then he just, uh, he did not perform. So I I was actually like like go look people. 

30:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was like yeah, just check it. You can watch this in, like in post and you can still have fun with it Like cause it's like. But there was one guy that his his hands were coming Like he's like he was drawing the ball like an iron. Yeah, it was like hitting the pot Like. 

30:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Here's what we need, cause we might be able to influence this. What we need is an easy way to actually bet on this and follow bets. That's what I want, like some sort of on the broadcast show, the leaderboard update that just so you can actually see, and then, if there's bets potentially that you're sweating on there that people could tail, make sure you're always cutting to those. Yeah, make it literally like varnador to get a two yeah on whole, and then you're actually sweating. That it will actually be a great well it'll be great, like I. 

31:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think there's. There's lots of stuff you could. Obviously this is in its infancy. 

31:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is like the first broadcast way to bet it by hole hole by hole because that, like total scores and stuff is cool for a sweat at the end, but really the way I would actually bet this is hole by hole scores, like there should be odds on guy to get a hole in one, yep, one through 18. Hole in one, yes, knows, yes, or just even honestly, just yeses is fine. 

31:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I I personally thought that the most entertaining market was the total hole in ones on a specific hole. So like hole one was set at 25 and a half, hole in ones um hole four was one and a half because it was a hard one or whatever. But I found that to be really interesting because I think you can have a scenario where people are just fixated on a specific hole it's not. 

31:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
As it's not as easy, it's hard to actually follow, unless you do like a graphic and post. 

32:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like or have like a live live 24 7 live totals. 

32:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, I see what you're saying, but seriously, though, like this would be sweet. So, if you're, if you're dgen betting table tennis, yeah okay, you don't want to bet this guy to win the finals of the tournament, where you have to watch it all day, you just want a quick sweat. The funnest bets to bet is, like guy to win the seventh point of the match, this guy at like minus 120, and then you might have like seventh point, this guy, eighth point, this guy, ninth and tenth, the other guy, and then you're literally watching the match. Like here we go, we're up, this is it seven point, serves it into the net like let's go, yeah, cash, that's. 

32:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's like the level I think that it would take because, like, if you are betting on this, pure dgen bet yeah, like no, no, I I thought like I was handicapping this, but in hindsight it was just a pure Like I'm an idiot. First I'll let the viewership know I'm a complete moron. So I see all these odds of like hole one, 25 and a half, over under Hole four, one and a half. So what do I do? I pull up hole four and one. I put. 

33:06
I pull up a youtube video of a guy who hits an ace on every single hole at this course and records it and I'm like, oh okay, cool. Like hole in one, it's a straight putt, it's down a hill, you just got to give it a little tap and if you hit it straight, it's going to tap, tap, tap. These putters got to be good enough to do that. I hit that. You know that goes over. But hole four I watched the video on youtube. I'm like how is this only set at one and a half? This is like they're gonna have weight. It's gonna go way over this amount on this hole. Well, I mean the course changed from 2019 to 2023. They changed the carpet, they changed the turf and it slowed down the roll of the ball towards the hole, so actually making more difficult. So I ended up being like the big square, thinking that I had like this mat. You only make those mistakes once, though it's true now I know one of the other holes. 

33:53
They removed the rock. That would have made it a lot harder for it for it to happen, but I could see it picking up steam. I think there's like enough from a betting perspective. Like I don't know that the league league can survive long term. What I'm getting at is like I don't know that these league can survive long-term. What I'm getting at is like I don't know that these niche leagues can survive long-term without betting. I'm really into the XFL right now. Why am I into the XFL? Because I can bet it and it's like somewhat entertaining to throw. But am I going to watch the XFL if I'm getting no dollars down on a game? Like I'm not. So I think this is like these leagues can embrace this type of stuff. There's a lot of stuff like this out there. 

34:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know what? Okay, you know what they should actually do. I've thought of it. This is, this is what it is. You go per golfer, you book 18 holes and you're able to just click on the golfer and then you have like whole, like so whole one. You can either bet hole in one. 

34:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's a three-way line hole in one, exactly two or three plus three plus. That's the way to do it. That's assuming all these courses are part two on every hole, though I don't know what other courses if not, you still do it like that and then you just make it, you just adjust, you just juice it out. 

34:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, honestly, that would be. That would actually be the shit, because then you can. You can legit like take a hold, take a hold by, be my guest. Just make it in a way where, like, someone could watch that hole and then, while they're watching the guy that's on screen, they're like this is it? Yes, is it like? Here, here you go and then, and then you're like, if you have him exact too, and you just missed the whole moment, he's right there, like let's go tap it in, or it is a logistical nightmare, but it can be done. 

35:27
What would be the logistical nightmare? Just like Actually booking it all, like, actually sorry, actually writing it all down. 

35:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Or like it actually happens so quick, right, like the golfer. So the way that this event works, which I've now learned, is it's alternating. You alternate who starts each hole, no matter what. So, theoretically, like you basically have a guy going back to back or a woman going back to back On hole one, if you go first and I'm second. On hole two, I go first and you're second. So as soon as I hold my ball, I immediately go to the next hole and I'm basically starting within 15 seconds, like it's just, it's instant. 

36:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know what I I'm saying? Do they know who's going to be on the holes, like who's going to be on the broadcast, or they just play it by ear? No, they, they know the the whole broadcast is, so they, they it's like they know what holes, what golfers are going to be on tv prior. They have a camera at every single hole. 

36:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So what they should do is there's literally a truck like another sporting event where they're just going to certain things okay, so here's, here's what I'm thinking. 

36:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Then they have a feed where they know all of the golfers that are going to show up, like every whole golfer combo, and they only offer bets on those ones. Yeah that way, you're guaranteed that if you, if you place the bet on any of those bets, it's guaranteed to be on the broadcast. 

36:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree. This is no different than, like the PGA Tour, where they stack the pairings. 

36:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'd fire some hole-in-one. 

36:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So one of the pairings I think yesterday was Olivia Prokopova and Joey Graybell. I think those are like two of the best four golfers and they stack the pairings. So just having live odds on like one pairing and a camera that's always following them around is is enough in and of itself to start, because you obviously have to grow at a certain pace, right, you can't just do everything at once I don't know absolutely, but it's I, I anyways. 

37:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Enough about the wpl. I love these, these initiatives. Tune in. Maybe we'll set something up. What else we got going on Trade deadlines, any edges to be had? 

37:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, yes and no, I mean. The problem is that people like to attack these future markets as soon as a trade happens. Right, oh, this person got traded. I'm going to go bet them Ryan O'Reilly gets traded. 

37:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're hammering the Rangers right now. 

37:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No On this Patrick Kane news. Well, Patrick Kane doesn't move the needle as much anymore as he used to. He's been a bad player this year. That's not to say he'd be a bad player if the Rangers were going forwards, but he's been a below average player. But the edge is like Not enough to overcome the vick. Of course not like it's you trade. A good player gets traded to another team. It increases their stanley cup win probability by half a percent. Like it doesn't move the needle enough. 

38:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The biggest things in hockey that can move exactly and that's just like. 

38:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So you have that. And then, on top of that, what you get, like this, this effect, where, okay, now you're gonna go bet that team, but what's going to happen is every other team is going to now make a trade as well. So, but it's all said and done, the odds on your team that you bet, you thought you got a great price it just goes back up anyways because somebody else in the market makes a deal to counter yours, and that's what's happening definitely, though, if you're like hey, I'm betting the suns because kevin durant went there. 

38:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like you know, that's a, that's a no-brainer bet, like that's moving it more than enough to make up for the vig. But typically what? 19 out of 20 trades are not going to do anything. 

38:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, for the most part. So right now, the biggest impact from the trade deadline in hockey is the day-to-day betting in terms of this guy's now out for this team, or like. I'm not going to bet this team this morning because they might sit three of their players for trade-related reasons, right. So your timing of your bets are completely different now. If I want to bet a team that's out of the playoffs, I'm not going to do it until game time, basically now, because why would I do it in the morning, where the market is pricing them like playing their full team? Then they just say, well, we're not playing this play. Yeah, very tough, yeah. So it changes the day-to-day logistics of how you might bet on the sport itself, and there's edges to be had there for sure, because there's a lot more news this time of year as well. This team is sitting x, y and z out of the lineup for trade related reasons, right? 

39:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
okay, even if he doesn't get traded, he still sits that game. 

39:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, likely yeah, fair enough, so that that's. That's where the biggest implication of these trades are. The rest is just, it's just content. 

40:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like people love to talk about this stuff, right, and I mean I do, I get excited when the leafs make a big trade we've had some great chats about the differences in the values and like how us two would be as gms in the league and like valuing different things I think most people might agree with. But for the most part Rob and I we don't value the draft picks nearly as much as I think the NHL teams do and for the most part, other sports as well. 

40:31 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I think that changed this year a little bit though the valuation of the draft picks for the top teams. This year we saw a shift. 

40:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've been thinking about it like this for like 10 years now. Like I've always said in the nhl, like I'm not as into it in the more recent years as I used, I used to be like a mega fan, like I knew every player, every team, every line combo bet it every day. Now it's like I don't care about that stuff as much, I just more follow the maple leaves, yep. But I've always said this like the actual value of a first round pick in the NHL is very much tied to where that pick is in the round. And when you look at the NBA, like the NBA does it, where if that's an unprotected top 10 pick, teams like will almost not trade that pick and if the pick is a late first rounder they'll trade seven years in a row. They don't care. And it took the NHL, I think, a while to adjust for that. It's coming into play a little more now but still like a 25th overall in the NHL I don't think has a significantly higher success rate than like a 36 overall. 

41:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Agreed 100%. So that's one of the inherent challenges. The average fan doesn't realize in every sport what a specific draft pick is actually worth. Fans get up in arms when they hear that their team traded away a first round pick, like, oh, you're sacrificing the future, you're mortgaging the future. Well, there's a lot of things that come into play. How's your prospect pool right now? How good are your top end prospects? What's the likelihood of a hit? Rate it on that specific pick. And it's it's like. It's tiresome to hear it, but I get it. 

42:10
The thing for me is like you don't want to be in that middle ground in sports, right, ever, and this is what every fan base wants to win, right, for the most part, they're always like oh, how is our team not making a trade? How are we not doing this to counter this and that, and so on and so forth. But if you're good enough to contend for the title and like it's your time, you have a short window. Go for it. 100 if you, 100. If you are not. You have a short window. Go for it 100% If you are not. Don't go for it and try to get assets in the future. Like the middle space is the worst that you if you continuously just make the playoffs and lose in the first round or even miss the playoffs but get the 14th overall pick, that's even worse. 

42:56
You have to pick one extreme or the other. You have to. In my opinion, there's no sense in being in that middle tier ever. So I just don't understand. We get this around NBA, trade deadline, nh, every sport. It happens where there's like and I think a lot of it is the pressure, as dumb as it sounds the pressure that the fan base bases put on the front office Because I think it actually matters, and there's front offices that cave to the pressure. It's like oh, if we don't make a deal this year, like there's going to be an uproar. People are going to be out with the pitchforks. But most fan bases and this is going to sound very arrogant, I don't really care Most fan bases are dumb relative to the intelligence of the people that are running the organization. 

43:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Seriously probably, but a lot of the front offices are not too smart in today's day. It's not even about the strategy. Sorry to cut you off. 

43:53
I don't think it's. They're dumb in terms of the decision-making. I think it's the overall strategy. They're factoring in other things. That's not just winning, yeah, which maybe that's right in terms of a front office, but for the average fan, think of this. Think of it this way if there's 32 teams in the nfl, in the nhl, 32 teams means if you win the cup one every 32 years, you're right on pace. Yeah, that is the expected cups for the 32 years. If you win a cup every 20 years, you're right on pace. Yeah, that is the expected cups for the 32 years. If you win a cup every 20 years, you're laughing. Your franchise should be more valuable, if more fan based. Whatever the best part about it is, when your team is good and you have multiple years in a row where you have a team that your fan base thinks can win the cup, that's the sweet spot, and then you hopefully hit one, and then the next year you get another finals run, next year that you win another cup. That's the home run, and then you just go rebuild. So what I'm thinking that I think a lot of fans agree with and then some just don't see, is when your team is in a spot that it could win the cup. 

44:55
Look at the look at the betting odds. If you're plus a thousand or more favored to win the cup, look at the betting odds. If you're plus 1,000 or more favored to win the Stanley Cup. 10 to 1 odds. Go all in. Go all in. Trade your picks. Definitely trade your first rounder for this year. Definitely take on rental players. Make your team better. Go for a shot to win. Okay, you lost. Now you don't have a first rounder. What's the average first rounder pick? 

45:19
24 to 32 I know it's a very low success hit rate and even if it is a success, are they playing next year? 

45:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
no, no, they're playing year after and they know and what do you consider a success? Because a lot of those players just turn out to be like a career third line player which that you could sign exactly and it. Listen, I'm not suggesting that there aren't teams that don't know what they're doing or have poor front offices, like you obviously see stuff like that all the time, and fans are entitled to their opinions, but another thing with these sports is that teams have access to metrics that are not publicly available either, especially in hockey. Like the teams have access to data that the average fan does not. So if they see something in a player where they want to acquire him, it's like, oh, this person's not this or this person actually makes them worse. It's like, no, they don't. Like I have a very, very hard time believing that they've acquired this player and it's going to make them worse yeah, but for. 

46:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But sometimes, though, you'll look at a team's thing and you're like this player, it just doesn't fit what they're trying to do right now and like, like, how do they just acquire a player right now when they should be like, for example, home, another hometown team? I follow the Raptors Like they acquired back. Yeah, a hurdle, you didn't. They're not in the playoffs. 

46:29
Like they shouldn't be acquiring players right now and trading assets. I get it though. Messiah originally drafted him. Gm originally drafted and probably liked him. Sees a lot in him, seen him develop, traded him for Kawhi Leonard originally. He's like I want to get this guy back. Reasonable price, let me just take him back, but like should have been selling players and then tank for the one overall. 

46:47
That way you don't end up in no man's land, which inevitably the Raptors will almost 100% end up in no man's land, where they probably either miss the playoffs altogether or get eliminated in that tournament or eliminate in the first round. Those are the three options. Don't get you don't get the first overall potential prodigy. Yep, you don't. You don't have and you don't have a a chance, I don't know. Nhl. Nhl is different, though. Man Name a guy and this is maybe maybe you guys will prove me wrong, so you guys follow more. Name a really, really good nhl player, best player in the league. Prodigy player that didn't go first or second overall I can't off the top of my head. 

47:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's definitely some like. Who, though, like like pavel datzuk went in like no? 

47:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
no, no, no, that that mccarr back in the day. So, okay, fine, I'll say I'll say top five because you're gonna say mccarr. I don't even even consider Makar to be like the best D-man, sure, but what I'm saying is name a guy McDavid, ovi, crosby, mckinnon, stamkos, mcdavid, like. 

47:46 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Matthews. Yeah Well, I could throw out some names, but I get what you're saying but that's what I'm saying. 

47:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Throw out a guy who's like okay, when did he go in the draft I can pull it up. 

48:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know Matthew Kucherov went outside the top 5. Did he even go outside? 

48:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
the top 5 yeah, I think he went 5th, maybe 5th, 6th, maybe 5th find the guy that's outside the top 5 it's an exception. I kucherov second round 58 so kuch would maybe be one example. 

48:18
But in the nba even even the nba which is more top heavy yep, I do think some guys that are top guys end up going like 14th. You'll get a guy like yannis, you'll get a guy like yokich. You'll get a couple of guys that are like, okay, fine, give me the, give me that player in the the middle of the first round in the in the nhl it's very few, low, lower hit rate man they're. They're much better at drafting. 

48:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It takes more, it takes longer to develop but people hold on to those examples is what I'm saying. So, like david posturnak went 25th to the bruins, okay, okay but is posturnak um mcdavid mckinnon no, no, he's he's like a 1b, so he's definitely a so 

48:53
janice and yokich are literally best players in the league agreed but people will hold on to that one example, like it's not a probabilistic thing anymore. Right, that's the. That's the issue with sports. It's the arguments I get into on Twitter where I just choose to mute the conversation and move on because you're never going to change someone. Oh, but this person drafted this team drafted this person 25th overall. It's like, okay, but that happens 0.2 percent of the time that they're going to turn into an elite player, but they're not even the best players in the league. 

49:23 - Zack Phillips (Other)
They're not, that's my argument is like those guys aren't even the actual superstars. 

49:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you go outside the top five it's tough to be an actual superstar in the nhl. Matthew kachuk, sixth overall. So six, so six. But there you go rough. I'm like, obviously, yeah, there's going to be exceptions for everything and sixth overall there's also some like big mistakes made in that one. 

49:42 - Zack Phillips (Other)
When you look ahead at some of those teams, it's not like the guys, they're like, uh, rock stars ahead of them. Right, that was the matthews year, so it's matthews line a. Pierre-luc dubois, pool yarby, who was traded today as well, you will levy, and then kachuk yeah, for sure, I was at that draft in buffalo. 

49:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh yeah, you met am 34. 

49:59 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I went there live my buddy was drafted in that draft. I told johnny this but uh, john hang, but uh he, uh. 

50:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He was in the washroom when he got drafted no way yeah when I was at dude had to go man it was in buffalo. I went to the washroom the regular, the regular washroom, not like it wasn't in, it was in the regular fan washroom walked in urinal. I'm there. Guess who comes up right urinal beside me terry pagula the owner of the sabers and the bills. 

50:31
Billionaire owner of the people man he was right there, I I recognized right away. I looked, I'm said hey, and he's like hey, how are you? And then he's like you, a Sabres fan. I said nah, leaps. He said ah, it's okay. And then, dude, he was just in the regular washroom. Did you look down, or to the corner of your eye, I think it had the things, the bodies, just wondering, yeah, no, I didn't, I didn't, I'm not that guy, not that guy. You would have looked, you would have looked. 

50:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It depends, it depends. It depends how many beers I've consumed, what the urinals are like, by the way, complete tangent here. Whoever invented the urinals that go all the way down to the floor, send that person to the sun, why? 

51:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Because it's so If you can't, if you don't know how to use those you don't know. 

51:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, okay, first and foremost, you have to. You have to stand like a fucking penguin there with like your feet, like this, because the urinals there it's it's not a natural standing position, and you have to worry about splashing your shoes with piss, which I never want to do no, you stream it down the side, it goes. 

51:38
No this is, it's not it's I will. I will refuse to accept this. Those are low quality garbage. Trash urinals fair enough, trap, they're the dumbest. They definitely cost more because they're larger. They don't provide more and there's like piss all over the floor. After this is wet floors. 

52:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Would you put a urinal in your own home? I knew a guy that did and it was worth it. Why, why would you do that? Why not? Why Easier? 

52:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But then you still need a toilet. Yeah, but both. You don't have to lift up a toilet seat. That's the laziness factor. Just put both. Laziness factor, both. Yeah, what's the harm? The harm is like the space that it takes up in the wash if you have a big bathroom. Would you do it dream home, then you have to then you have to change the fucking uh, the, the cake, the cake, the urinal cake, right like, who's gonna do that? 

52:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
you want to do that you, yeah, yeah, you got to change it. Same way you got to clean your regular toilet and washroom and shower. Sure I don't do that myself but yes, yeah, who does it? 

52:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have, I have there, you go, I have cleaning ladies that that, do that they're very nice, fair enough. 

52:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, what is where we've gone off the rails? 

52:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I. I just don't really like those urinals. They really bother me every single time I go to one of those. You look at the floor, it's all wet because, like it's, it's just bad, it's not, it's not good for business. 

52:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You did have a man of the people, billionaire, using the regular washroom with the fans. I actually really respect that, though. 

53:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's a man of the people. 

53:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I like that 100% respect. 

53:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Because there's some people that would not do that. You make that much money. There's no chance of whatever. They probably have their own private washroom in the facility. 

53:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I I was at the Leaf game last week. I was in the washroom and these two kids were like 20 years old, 19 years old. They were just like washing their hands. I was washing my hands right beside the guy and he's like talking to his buddy and he's like do we have enough guys for tonight? Then Like should I message? Like I'm going to message the football chat. And then he's like, yeah, message, we have five, we have five people confirmed, let's try to get to eight. And then he's like, okay, okay, poker at 11. Then I'm gonna message in poker at 11. And this was like mid, this was like second intermission, meaning it's probably around nine o'clock, yep, and these guys are two hours out still at the game and they're planning a poker game for 11. And I and they said he was going to message the football chat and I almost near shed a tear while washing my hands in that washroom, because you don't have to pretend you were washing your hands, it's okay, because that is I. I actually almost shed a tear. That was me. 

54:18
That was what we used to be able to do and life just goes at you so fast and it's done now. Man, like imagine being able to set up a poker game and get eight guys an hour and a half to two hours later after you're messaging in the chat who's in for poker. They're 20 years old and they just go and meet up and no one has a care in the world. They don't have anything. They don't. They stay up and no one has a care in the world. They don't have anything. They stay up, drink beers, whatever, and play poker. 

54:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I will say to you this it can always get worse. Like wait till you're married man, I know it can get worse. 

54:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm getting texts. Is the game over yet? 

54:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
When are you going to be home? And this and that. I'm like, oh you know, and I'm like, oh you know, like I just want to get messed up. 

54:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Tonight. I stopped him True story. I stopped him. I said I said do you have any accounts? No, I stopped him. I said hey. I said I said listen, guys, I'm not that much older than you, but I just want to say like, whatever what you guys are doing right now setting up a poker game I was like that was me, that's up a poker game. I was like that was me, that's what we all used to do and like it goes fast. 

55:24 - Zack Phillips (Other)
You guys have such a good time ahead of you, but, like, enjoy it now while you can like these are, this isn't it's. It goes away whatever old man. 

55:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And no, I was gonna say like they're probably playing poker later on that night and they're like you guys remember when that guy just randomly came up to us in the washroom and no, he's just like, he's just like, uh, thank you sir. 

55:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm like okay, sir. 

55:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, he's like, thank you sir, I'm like okay, Thank you sir. 

55:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, he's like, thank you, sir, like we will, we will, but no nice kids for sure. It got me thinking. It was like I legit almost shed a tear. I'm not even kidding, because to think that and this is now even we're talking about the Maple Leafs and stuff Like I used to never miss a game yeah, me and my buddies, we used to just be like, oh, come over for the leaf game, what are we doing for the leaf game? 

55:57
We're going here. We're going here. We're going for wings. Come over my my parents basement so we can watch when we're 17 years old, you, just one guy, has a car. I'll pick everyone up. We'll go to this guy's parents basement to watch the game. Like that was just such a fun time that will never be had again. And I get it right. Now we're in a different time that I'm also going to look back on and say, wow, remember when I did that. So I'm not. I'm not taking it very granted, but anyone who's listening that's younger, you could still do that stuff. Imagine getting a poker game together two weeks in advance it's impossible with my friends now. 

56:31
There's always going to be someone who's missing, like it's always be someone who can't who has to leave because the kid babysitter, and then another guy who has to leave because he has something in the morning and then he's like I can't drink, and then the guy's no longer wants to drink anymore. And just what do you think, Zach? 

56:46 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I'll bring you around, johnny. I've been playing some poker lately. We've been having a good time Day of day before get things going If someone mentions it a day before, maybe we'll get poker going tomorrow. 

57:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How many guys you normally get, uh like nine, ten. 

57:03 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Oh, dude, that's amazing dream games we got this guy that we play with he. Uh, he's got two decks on the go at all times. 

57:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's got the table with the with the thing. 

57:09 - Zack Phillips (Other)
No, he said he was going to get it, uh, but uh hadn't quite got into that yet. But uh, two, two card, two decks on the go. He's got a timer that like ups the blinds at the timers like oh, so you guys are doing tournaments. 

57:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is this guy all-time dealer? 

57:24 - Zack Phillips (Other)
he's all-time dealer, but and you? 

57:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
just pay him a rake no, he can't. 

57:28 - Zack Phillips (Other)
No, no, he plays, he plays, oh he plays. 

57:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We always had one guy that did that for us as well he's. He just knew it was his job. If he's at the game, he's faster than everyone. Sorry, so he plays, but he just deals as well, correct? Yes? 

57:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
yes, okay, I thought I thought you meant like all-time dealer. He doesn't play, he just sets up the game, deals it out yeah, I answered that incorrectly. 

57:45 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I must really like you guys. Yeah, yeah, he just wants to be. He just wants to be around everyone yeah, yeah, so I've been doing that lately. What? 

57:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
are you trying to get that card shuffle machine? 

57:54 - Zack Phillips (Other)
he wants the one built into the table yeah, that's, that's the dream one. 

57:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You just press the button it opens up. 

57:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You take a freshly shuffled cards. You put the other ones back in, you put the cut card. 

58:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You just rip through. 

58:06 - Zack Phillips (Other)
We have a separate timer for buybacks so you can buy back in until the timer runs out and then you're done. The games just fly by. But it's good because everyone's engaged. You have to be playing, so yeah, it's been fun. 

58:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I, I you know I miss the poker days no, it's not even about the poker days or anything like that. It's just more like the fucking days are going by I know they go by and you forget that you had a time when no one gave a shit about anything. 

58:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like you're delivering a eulogy right now? 

58:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
basically no one gave a shit about anything you literally. 

58:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know things change, get older, wake up in the morning, no hangover, yeah nothing. 

58:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You rip mcdonald's breakfast every day, mcdonald's lunch. 

58:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Whatever, no one gets fat, just happens, johnny there's a point in my life, probably for two years, where I used to wake up and eat dinner with my family. That was actually my life living in my parents' basement. Come home, six, seven in the morning, my parents would like sit me down and have a speech. Like what's going on? They think I'm like up to no good right. Like oh, what are you doing? You know doing drugs. I'm like no, I'm just like we're playing poker. We're, we're watching. You know, I can't even remember. Like just do stupid shit when you're young. Yeah, like you play video games at someone's house. You're like holy shit, it's six in the morning, yeah, and you go home and then you just sleep and you wake up at five o'clock and you're like I had a buddy from my high school. 

59:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We used to play uh hockey league like um nhl, basically not ultimate team, but it's like be a pro you each get one yeah, shl yeah, so you each get one guy and then you just play with that one player and then you're all on the same team. 

59:46
You go on the headsets and stuff like that. This is like 10th grade, grade 10 and then this guy used to play all night where he like, obviously with his parents. He used to play in the basement. And then the second is like he would hear his mom come home, come like down the stairs. After waking up the 7am, he would quickly shut off the TV, pretend he fell asleep on the couch. His mom would wake him up and then he'd be like oh yeah, sorry, I like I fell asleep on the couch. He's like it's time for school, school, no, sleep. Rip a chocolate, milk and a cookie my dad. 

01:00:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My dad watches this on a weekly basis, but it's the same stories for me. He'd be getting up and going to work. I'm playing call of duty like downstairs. Come downstairs and be like what's going on. Or I'm like, ah well, couldn't sleep. I woke up like an hour ago, started playing. Meanwhile I've been up all night like I'm you know, like he knows he's not an idiot or whatever but what call of duty did you play? 

01:00:39
call. Call of duty four, three and four. Oh, three and four were the big ones for me. Call of duty three online with my friends we used to play uh, the rouen map in france. It was a banger call of duty four. And then I had to get rid of video game systems for a while, because it's yeah, I, I quit in. 

01:00:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Uh, I, I played grade 10. I played video games every day, it's all I did. I quit in. I played grade 10. I played video games every day, it's all I did. And then I started, then I learned about sports betting and then I quit video games. Yep. New addiction right, Literally like yeah no, I'm like you. 

01:01:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm the same age. 

01:01:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Maybe I played video games like a fiend. I had 10 days in play time on Modern Warfare 2, which was, by the way, nothing compared to some people I know. People had like 100 days of in-play time, which, for those who don't know what that means, it's like they log all the hours you spent actually playing the game, so not just like in the waiting lobby, not like moving your settings, setting up your stuff. How many hours were you actually in there? And they had like 100 days, so like 2,400 hours in there, and they had like a hundred days. 

01:01:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So like 2400 hours. Well, this week I will putt for a minimum of 21 hours where anywhere I can putt, I'll have a jar in the basement I'll have like targets. 

01:01:49 - Zack Phillips (Other)
We went to uh, the simulator. I know it was actually pretty good. I went to simulator this week and now my arm is killing me again, man. 

01:01:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's just depressing oh, they don't have. They don't have all the courses that's see, that that's the thing you have. No, they have a lot, but not they. They have like not that many, not that many good ones so it it depends on what you're looking for. 

01:02:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like, I would still rather play at a good sim. You know that's more realistic, more accurate, different lies hit off the sand yeah, exactly then, to go to a shitty sim that has all the courses. But sometimes it is nice to go to the one that has all the courses, just play a random one. 

01:02:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, fair enough. Yeah, no, they have a lot of courses, but not that many good courses. 

01:02:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you can. You can really tell when you play the sim, when, like you, you know you ripped a good shot and it's act like it's the ones where you know you ripped a good shot and you know you're like no, no, this is this ain't right. Right, that doesn't happen. 

01:02:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, that's not no, that actually doesn't happen. Every time I hit a bad shot, I say no, this thing's not accurate, but it actually is accurate. All right, let's close it off. I don't think we touched on any gambling this episode Well it is what it is. 

01:02:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We got into a lot of topics, but if you do enjoy the content that we do here on circles off, make sure you like today's episode, subscribe to that to the youtube channel if you're listening in audio form, rate and review five stars. We'll be back next week with episode number 92, circles suggest any guests in the comments. 

01:03:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
See ya, you.