00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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00:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions it's circle back, episode number 17, presented by underdog right here on circles off part of the hammer betting network. This is the show where we review the week that was in gambling twitter. This is a first time. Our first topic is so popular that we have four of us in studio right here kirk evans, to my left, jeff feinberg and jason cooper, who has been participating actively in these twitter spaces. Jacob grumenia, back there producing here today as well. So we talked about these spaces a little bit last week. There was that guy, omar that was, that was running them. To start. I gotta say the the Omar spaces have kind of been trending downhill because Elf has now taken over the Twitter spaces and we are talking some serious Twitter spaces here 40,000 plus views, 2,000 people in at a time, big personalities hashing it out. 

01:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Big personalities dropping in. Big personalities dropping in. 

01:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Tons dropping in. It's actually crazy. Who is watching these Worlds? 

01:52 - Jason (Co-host)
colliding. Worlds are the biggest gambling accounts, some of the biggest companies, draftkings. There's so much going on. I don't even know where we start, and you're here because we needed someone who put in. 

02:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Over 95 percent of my weekend was dedicated. 

02:07 - Jason (Co-host)
Yeah, listen like good saturday was crazy for me, just quickly, anecdotally, because I was like, okay, like first night off in a while, on a saturday I'm gonna go spend some time with friends, and it was the biggest minus ev move of my life. I was playing board games and all I could do was just like look at my phone, say the face. I'm like big cats in here, trent's in here, what the fuck is going on? And I have to listen to it the next morning. Anyways, we'll get into it. 

02:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, my wife doesn't even know what's happening with me anymore. 

02:26 - Jason (Co-host)
She's like what the hell are you? 

02:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
doing. 

02:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like what is that noise? 

02:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What is that sound? I'm like it's like Twitter beefs. I got to listen to this and in some cases, I'm was Jeff Nadeau versus Taylor Mathis, and Jeff Nadeau has been going at Taylor for a long time on Twitter now about the quote-unquote crypto rug pull, which we discussed in one of our earlier episodes, and they got to hash it out on air and lots of people got to come in ask questions as well. I got to say Nadeau on these spaces, to me he's like he's kind of become the heel, I guess you would say, where a lot of the people are. You know, in wrestling you have your classic baby face the good guy that heals the bad guy. He fits the part for me, jeff. Like I think Nadeau is perfect to be the guy to go after other people. And this, though I don't know how I felt about this particular space I felt like it could have been a lot better than it actually ended up being Well. 

03:29 - Jason (Co-host)
for someone who's talked so much, I don't want to say talk shit, but I think rightfully talk shit about Taylor Mathis and the crypto scam. He came completely unprepared. He knew this was going to happen. He was in here two hours before Taylor got in there and was saying where's Taylor? 

03:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Where's Taylor? 

03:42 - Jason (Co-host)
She said she'd be on. You can't be doing that and then pull up with two questions and then that's it. Like there's so many opportunities for him to ask different questions. People had other questions that they were tweeting about. Even you sent us a picture I tweeted out that picture about um taylor mathis being a capper and she has how to sports bet 101 in her bookmarks. But there were so many things he could have attacked like I don't want to say attacked her, but questioned her about. 

04:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He did question her about that, but at the point he did. 

04:06 - Jason (Co-host)
it was kind of like that it was like a last resort firing my last bullet. 

04:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
She was just getting points for showing up. Yeah, and he. I like Jeff, maybe more than a lot of people in those spaces. I don't think he won this and I think he might have been going in and out of a club. I do believe him because at least he documents that he's there. Often it was past Stella o'clock and he was not ready for this interaction he'd been asking for for nearly two months, and I think that's my biggest problem is that he was not ready for it and it was a it was tailored credit for showing up Like she gets the points. 

04:47
She actually gets the win. I think if you're grading it. But the problem was you had like only two sides. It was people coming in being like hyper aggressive and like with an attacking tone, or it was people who were just like slurping milk and there was no one there like being fair and balanced to kind of what happened. 

05:14
And the moment someone did come in there and sort of bring up some fair points or catch her on something, she kind of started to like cry and elf is, and Elf is like running out of life jackets because he's just throwing them left, right and center. But hey, if you're great in this thing, I think I'd still give Taylor a W. 

05:36 - Jason (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know if I'd give Taylor the W. I think she's neutral. I think they both lost and the space is one Nadu had to win and he didn't. He had a layup and he missed. That's the craziest part. 

05:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He should've it's tough to question someone on these spaces, like last night I was on one. I tried going after Bo, like it's very easy to be slippery and then people start talking and then it just gets away from you fair enough, but also like it's not like Taylor's very slippery it's not like she's crappy enough to slip her way out of it. 

06:05 - Jason (Co-host)
I would say it's more so Nidoo being unprepared than anything else, and I wish she was more prepared Because, again, two months of calling someone out, you've got to have a little bit more ammo than two questions. Here's the thing. 

06:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yes, there's a lot you could probably hold Taylor to account for. Yeah, but in showing up she kind of put it on the table in that, like I don't think her intention was to screw people over, I just don't think she's very bright, so I don't mean to be rude. So, concerning that, I question if she should wear a helmet on those walking. I get where you're coming that that that was almost my main takeaway despite getting a win and the duke couldn't even land shots, listen. 

06:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've long maintained that I don't? 

06:58 - Jason (Co-host)
that's hilarious, that's great. 

07:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The way the helmet turned out was unreal I've long maintained that I don't think that she was complicit in a rug pull and after listening to her talk, I still don't believe that she was in any capacity, whereas, I mean, the verdict's still out. You decide what you want to think about that, but I will say that she doesn't make it easier on herself. 

07:20 - Jason (Co-host)
Well for sure, her story doesn't add up. Sorry to interrupt her. If you just list, I've been following this for a couple months now. It's there, nothing fits and everything always changes. It's like nothing's ever straight with her and then she just says she shouldn't talk about, she shouldn't talk about it. But then she just proceeds to jump on air and then talk about. It's like what are you doing? Make up your mind. 

07:36 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
anyways, I think that's been my point of taylor mathis every single time we've talked about her on this show. You have the golden carpet, you are in a perfect spot. Just never address any of this 100%. 

07:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Just keep walking. Don't go on spaces with fucking Jeff Nadeau. Just keep walking, just keep walking. 

07:52 - Jason (Co-host)
Keep walking, that is all she needs to do Goldfish, be a goldfish, keep walking. I'm getting a little bit of lactose intolerant vibes from you like I have she's whatever. 

08:02 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But it's just like if you're Taylor Mathis and you find yourself in a spaces with Jeff Nadu, you've took taken the wrong turn. Just keep walking. 

08:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I totally agree but I think in some ways, anyone that listened to that whole thing I think in the end you kind of want to give her credit to for for showing up there. Absolutely agreed yeah, agreed. 

08:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My favorite Nadu shtick that's going right now is how he goes into the spaces and claims that everyone is coming into the spaces because of him, instead of the massive people that he's going. Taylor Mathis obviously Nadeau lost his original Twitter account. It got hacked right, so his one now is much smaller, just does not have the amount of reach. I think that that makes so many people in the spaces angry that they, like, are constantly going after it's it. You know what this has turned this has turned into. Like must see it's not tv it is I, I have fomo. 

08:57
If I don't listen to, I mean jeff me and you too much I wouldn't even know like I'm in there. 

09:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not in there as even um people hide. I like when I'm in there, I'm in there. 

09:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wasn't in there as much as I'd like, but well, I joined anonymously because the highlights are the highs are high yes, from what I've gathered from when I've been in there and I've caught, like one of the great freaking moments. 

09:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The highlights are high but there is a lot of there's a lot of downtime. 

09:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's a lot of downtime. I don't know lot of downtime. 

09:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know who's talking Elf like credit for putting it on and hosting and he's gaining His arrow's pointing up. I'm not expecting him to be Mike Wallace but at the same time, like he is, he is like just such a pillow for some of these people who have not good, like he would lay a pillow out for Putin. 

09:46 - Jason (Co-host)
If you joined the space, I think he would, For sure he would the old my problem. This is great From Rob. 

09:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
DFS Elf when it comes to dick riding, scammers and pretending they're good people. And it's a Tom Brady montage. 

10:00 - Jason (Co-host)
This is a good tweet but also, like Elf is very I don't want to like he's aware. 

10:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's aware of it, right he? 

10:06 - Jason (Co-host)
knows, and when he brings people like Bo on and glad hands him, he says like I don't think I'm leading people to like. Anyone who listens to Bo is probably not going to buy his picks. Right, and I can see where he's coming from. But at the same time yeah, I just don't like. 

10:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
if you were on the spaces last night with Bo, it became a Exactly, bo was just part of the spaces. He's just a guy. Exactly, he's a guy. 

10:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is what the spaces Think about. What is happening here right now? You have people from Book it, barstool Hammer people interacting that would never interact with one another, the ecosystems, the planets. 

10:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We're getting yelled at that. 

10:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
we don't know who the golden boys are. 

10:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know who the fuck the golden boys are. I don't know. Do you know who the golden boys are? 

10:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You gotta do research. 

10:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't have a. The ecosystem is huge. 

10:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They think me and Kirk are idiots and they're like you don't know. 

11:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's like some big yes. It's easy for things to be blown up that you don't really have a clue on. Yeah, listen, elf, he can't be Mike Wallace in there, like holding these people to account, but it seems like any time, any time, that there is like a fair and balanced account of something. 

11:29
fair and balanced account of something he is just so quick to like rug pull people who might be onto a thread, so that would be um something that I didn't enjoy. But you know he has to suck up to the people who are gonna come in to take the whippings. Yeah, and he does it like there's such bigger personalities that once they get going he can't stop them, and I'm not even blaming 100. 

11:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He just has to sit by. So I mean he's trying to moderate as best as he can it's done a good job. 

11:53 - Jason (Co-host)
I will say he's done very well. 

11:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He'll be so much better in two weeks than he was last week he's learned to mute people now when they're rambling on too much. 

12:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He gets different sides of the conversation. 

12:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It also gets choppy and frustrating sometimes as a listener and I don't know like you've all been in those spaces Like there's nothing on you and it just stops. 

12:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, also like if I you know, you said that you join under your name, if I join and everyone sees that I'm in there, they start to bring me into the conversation. They're like Pizzola, get in here, whatever. I'm just eating a burrito right now. 

12:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm listening like I don't know dude called me out not to like fight me, just to like bring jeff. No, I'm not taking, I'm just here. I'm here as a fan, just like I'm here with my family. We're just taking it in. I'm not getting in just because I you call me out, but but sure I seen that the spaces. 

12:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I joined last night and what sorry this is, this will be out on tuesday. So I joined on sunday night. I ended up picking up 370 twitter followers from that. But I went to my message requests on, I had like a hundred people reaching out to me in real time like cook, this fraud, like this and like this, this is this. This is the Jerry Springer show. 

13:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Was passes, even brought up Passes were brought up, that's what I mean, like that's the thing, that's a new thing that doesn't even get addressed at all. 

13:16 - Jason (Co-host)
I wish I was. They're in there talking. 

13:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Tell me about your career. 

13:21 - Jason (Co-host)
I don't know who that was. 

13:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
In four nights of spaces. That was the biggest loser in all of it Like absolutely that sort of bad angle. 

13:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The different behavior. Like. I do appreciate that Taylor did come into this. It was very entertaining, but like the 15 minutes afterwards of everyone jumping in and being like oh, we got to applaud taylor for doing this and I was like bull wagner, do you remember? 

13:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
like by the taco bell, like shut, like that is. That's when elf needs to be a moderator, I would say. But I guess these things, they're like those goddamn adventure books you choose your own adventure go to this page. Go to that page. There's no, there's no routine or order. Anyone thinking, anyone complaining that there isn't more semblance and order like I have, is probably an idiot. 

14:14 - Jason (Co-host)
But that's what makes it fun. The lack of order is what makes it fun. Someone came in there. 

14:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The chaos is what makes it like it's organized chaos. Man, there was mobsters on there last night they're talking like it's organized chaos. 

14:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, man, there was mobsters on there last night. I was talking about, like I did, 16 years and then someone came in there and said that that beau showed up at his house and he showed up at his beau's office that their internet heat got so real and they found out that they live near each other and, like elf is so overwhelmed that the guy just doesn't even the guy's not even part of a show. That's a whole fucking docu-series. 

14:48 - Jason (Co-host)
Do you have his? Do you have his atlets? 

14:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Let's let's, let's push it. I'm working on my own investigative report. 

14:53 - Jason (Co-host)
Okay, you're going to start your own spaces, then no, you'll, you'll, you'll investigate, hand it off to Elf, then we'll get a good space doing, though I sat in a pizzeria across from pazola. 

15:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You can't say it like that this is exactly. 

15:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I'll say it's a pizzeria. Now I'll say it exactly how I want. Speaking of sal governor, now, nadu's biggest flaw is not accepting his role as one of portnoy's whack packers. Yeah, I love nadu. He's got great qualities, but those qualities need to be supported by the infrastructure. Yeah, I know what you're saying. That is barstool. 

15:33 - Jason (Co-host)
So let's bring it back though, because we're talking about mobsters, we're talking about Nadeau. 

15:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's all over. 

15:37 - Jason (Co-host)
It's all over the place but Nadeau taking out. I want to get into the mobster stuff with Gene. I have his name written down Gene, gene Borrello and Spanky going at Nade Like whoa that was crazy. 

15:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, that guy. 

15:47 - Jason (Co-host)
Normies reaching out to me who don't like follow the gambling Twitter sphere, who follow Trent on Twitter, and we're jumping in and we're like, are you listening to this? Like literally my friends who don't pay attention to any of this stuff. That's how wide reaching this stuff has gone. 

16:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got that was Are you kidding? First of all, this whole segment from Elf. 

16:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Spanky started this Grow a Friend convention in Vegas. 

16:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like, I'll make jokes. 

16:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Calling Spanky a rat. Are you Now dude? You're crazy. 

16:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's the whole segment. I don't know how that came together, but Elf should win some sort of award. I don't know how he got a mobster to cut. I don't know the backstory of that. What happened? 

16:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
People were complaining. It felt set up. I didn't understand the backstory. 

16:32 - Jason (Co-host)
I don't know if it was set up, but someone 20 people messaged Gene, according to him, saying that Nadeau was talking shit three days ago, so Gene made a brand new Twitter account. This guy is big on Instagram, I looked, so Gene made a brand new Twitter account. This guy is big on Instagram. I look at him big on Instagram, big on YouTube. He has like 100 million views on YouTube. He has like a podcast about the mobster. He says he invented the genre. Listen, I don't know. I'm not going to confirm. 

16:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What genre? The mob genre. The mob genre on YouTube. The mob podcast? Yeah, the mob podcast. Or maybe he didn't invent it. That was part of the Bonino crime family, like those types of ones he might have popularized it right, who knows? 

17:04 - Jason (Co-host)
I don't know much about him, but all I know is that he said he made a Twitter account that day to go at Nadeau because people were DMing him saying Nadeau's talking shit about you. Nadeau claims that he never said anything. 

17:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We got to pull the tapes, but there's-. 

17:21 - Jason (Co-host)
And people are know if it was made up. But people messaged gene saying that nadu was talking shit. So gene gene popped on, said bring nadu and I want to talk to him. Nadu backtracked, said I didn't never send anything. And then he I don't know how it got to you. 

17:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But this guy gene is like no, I know you, I know you said shit before. You're a scumbag gone to fights before on air. 

17:39
There's, there's, a whole it's, and then he started talking about spanky's like listen, I've done my like research into this. Everyone got what got put away, except for spanky. Doesn't that make you what spanky's like? What the fuck are you talking about? You're talking about a civil suit, not like you don't even know what's going on. It was amazing. But this shit spreads like wildfire. Like I'll be at home. I'm not even listening and I get like I'm not exaggerating like 30 one time of like man of the library is talking about you. What are you going to do once you get a message? You're just not going to be like, ah, you're going to go in there and you're going to defend yourself. And that's what's happening. It's getting nuts, but I don't know who's yelling at who. 

18:17 - Jason (Co-host)
So, okay, part of the problem as well is this is a small problem. I have Brent. This is a small problem. 

18:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I have Brent Brett. 

18:23 - Jason (Co-host)
Brent Sounds the exact same you guys got to come up with fake accents or something so we can differentiate. 

18:27 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I like both of them. I love both of them. Brett stocked up this week. 

18:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Brett was the guy that got NBA green beans. That got into it with Joey Kanish. We covered it on the show a few weeks back because he was. I think it was like the bad prop Commanders. I was prop commanders, I was listening. Yesterday some dude was dropping slurs and the whole thing. Because you can't twitter, just canceled. 

18:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They had to restart, of course, and then this guy came back in and it come to find out that guy rips off old ladies in construction this is billy. 

18:53 - Jason (Co-host)
This is a different guy now, this is all. 

18:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know how to keep up. So this is like game of thrones there's so many characters I don't know their names. 

19:00 - Jason (Co-host)
I wrote down the connections right here this is what je you'll remember. 

19:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is the way that I think about this in my head. When I was in my early 20s, I used to intern at Hardcore Sports Radio, which was on Sirius Satellite Radio. I used to intern with Gabe Morenci on Sports Rage. It ran 11 pm to 2 am every night. I felt like as an intern or a listener of that show. I couldn't miss one single show because there was like storylines that happened every night. One listener would call in and be like fuck this guy, like fuck rickster. From throughout they would just be yelling and I'm like I would be lost. So I created like a, a nightly recap, just like a summary that I would do. So if anyone missed the show they could be in tune. These are four and a half hours long, dude and, like I, I can't even listen. 

19:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is what's gonna like because, there's too much. The lows are like two yes there's two. Uh, this is not a knock on them, but like, yes, the highs are high, but to sometimes catch those highs there, it's like I'm going fishing there's just too much. 

20:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like you get it t Trent comes in one night and he's like Trent's in there and he's like dude. You know people got to start going after each other. This and that it's like I worry. I worry that this is going to like plateau a little bit too soon just because of the frequency and the lack of content around it. 

20:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
They need to not do it every so often, because exactly what happens is it hits a massive lull. There's a massive lull and Elf is like let's get man of the Library. Where's man of the Library? It's like you can only have like the sideshow characters do their bit every so often man of the Library can't come in there and do his bit every night and still be funny. It'll just be like, okay, we've heard him talk about the numerology. 

20:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yesterday it was funny, though at a certain point it became this mini barstool thing Not even Big Cat. 

20:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Jack Mack was in there. Kb was in there. 

20:58 - Jason (Co-host)
Jerry was in there. 

21:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Ohio was listening to the whole thing the Whack Packers were in there. I wish Nadeau was still a barstool Whack Packer. The best quality about certain Whack Packers like you have your Beetlejuice Whack Packers and then there are the. Whack Packers who think they're too good to be Whack Packers. 

21:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah. 

21:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Listen, people think that I could say that about me and some of the enterprises that I'm a part of on the Internet. But enterprises that I'm a part of on the internet, but I don't know. I'm self-aware enough to know I'm not, like gonna lead anything on my own. I like being the yeah, the whack packer. Um, so I wish to do and like realize that, but but it is what it is, but the barstool universe, like I don't know, sort of catching wind of it. I thought was pretty entertaining. They had brought up the rough and rowdy thing oh, but as the barstool. 

21:45
As a guy that listens to some of like the Portnoy content, I believe he scrapped Ruff and Rowdy after the last one, we can bring it back. 

21:52 - Jason (Co-host)
Yeah, well, they'll bring it back, for it's coming back for Twitter space. 

22:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Let's do a book. It trend is getting in a way. 

22:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, no chance. 

22:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So no, you're not even saying, not even like to insult, like his ability to fight I don't have a clue. I just mean like he doesn't need to lower himself to that level bow, you think? 

22:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
no uh trent, trent, and if trent and I think Jack Mack said this if Trent's fighting someone, it's not going to be Bo. Really, bo is like very niche in terms of people knowing him. Trent people actually know Like he has like legitimate fame, like Bo has like 100,000 followers but gets like two likes on his tweets. 

22:38 - Jason (Co-host)
That's very true, but who would Trent fight? And also Trent fight and also like I want no one. You don't think so. So I think, listen, he's friends with Sean O'Malley and I think the content that those two guys would put out would reach a massive scale, and I think it would be a mistake not to follow through with this just based off of the content you can make off of that alone. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it. 

22:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just don't believe it, okay, and I think it would sound good but there was like there was more potential in like both the bow and taylor stuff yeah, I agree, so I enjoyed it. 

23:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I definitely agree with the sentiment of at its peak this is like 10 out of 10 a plus fire content. But there are these lulls where I'm just like why am I still in? 

23:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
here. 

23:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My attention span can't hold it and it does like too much of the stuff is getting manufactured. I think it would be smart to like lean into stuff as it happens, right. If you see something, it's kind of like what this show does as well, right, but in real time you see two people going at it that's the events for the day. 

23:39 - Jason (Co-host)
I totally agree, so listen. Elf already tweeted today's monday. We're recording this on monday. 

23:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's gonna be tomorrow morning, so there's one tonight. 

23:45 - Jason (Co-host)
Are you guys gonna tune in? And I want to. I want you guys to stick through, not like? Here's the problem. Unless it goes crazy, tune in, obviously, but if you're not gonna tune in, let's not tune in and see if we miss anything no, but here's the thing I'm gonna tune in. 

23:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Elf's biggest problem, like you said, it's the frequency and the length, because at four hours I can't take it in. After the fact I can't even get to it before you do another one the day after. Yeah, I know Right. 

24:08
Like it's got to be at a time frame where it's like I want it short enough, like I don't need to get through it in one sitting, but something that I feel is like digestible after the fact. And when I see it's four hours, I'm just like well, I hope someone's going to tell me about the highlight. 

24:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Cause I ain't going in. 

24:26 - Jason (Co-host)
I ain't going in there Well, a hundred percent the whole weekend listening to 12 hours. But that's my point. 

24:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually do think it will reach the point where it's actually going to be so overwhelming to keep up that I actually won't want to keep up anymore. 

24:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But I cannot commit four and a half hours I'm going to give Elf benefit of the doubt. Say he will find the sweet spot. I think so too, Because it seems like he knows what's. 

24:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, elf, I didn't know much. He's a smart guy. He's stirring the. He kind of knows what he's. 

24:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He has a full-time job. Someone said you were the best gambler on Twitter. I was in there when that line was dropped. No, no, no. Do you drop that? 

25:08 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think the list was like pazola, zilbert and like I remember what you're referring to, but top three. 

25:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's my top three as well oh man, I, I, I find the most fascinating part personally, just to be like these areas of gambling Twitter that I had no idea exists, like some random beefs between two guys, like you got one scammer who runs a Discord who comes? 

25:34
on and is like everybody avoid this other guy. It's like you're all fucking scammers, like that's what I find interesting. I wonder if there's a conversation to be had, though, because a lot of people say, like, should you be giving these people a platform to talk, because everyone comes time when you hear them stuff. 

25:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but I agree with elf's overall assessment and I wish certain people he was a bit harder on or like allowed the fair, not them to dodge fair questions, but at its core, like once you listen, these fucking people speak, man, it's like you don't want to invest in them. Yeah, they tell themselves. 

26:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think bow is kind of the exception to that of he is very slithery. He's like clearly a smart guy and when he gets on the spaces he figures out a way to be part of the normal crowd. And I could have seen, if someone's not really in on it, listening to Sunday Night Space and being like, oh, this Bo guy seems smart, he's shitting on man of the Library. Oh, he sells pics. 

26:35 - Jason (Co-host)
I could see that, but in reality, he's an all-time scammer. 

26:38
Well, also, we haven't even brought up man of the Vague, who is doing a great job championing the anti-Boe movement, where he's literally tweeting out I will eat my own shit. I will pay you $20,000 to post your PNL. If you post it, I will eat shit. There's multiple other people who are agreeing to do that. Even I think Crypto Corby or CC I forget his name Corby Corby Craig, corby Craig. Sorry, I don't know if it was man of the library or I think people are paying for. Pnls. 

27:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That was just crazy. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Just Bo is given Elf is given Bo too much grace. Yeah, like I get it with Taylor, everyone that came in there. They were so fucking aggressive. Yeah, someone couldn't have just been like I'm not saying I'm the person for the job, but someone like a very calm, I want to say like lawyer s, like boring delivery, asking her these questions. They come in there, they'd be so intimidating with their like tone. They'd make her you could almost tell like tear up. And then with bo, like you said, bo different, but he'd just be so good at um weaseling his way, like they'd ask him something hard and then he would bring up like a highlight from the space four minutes ago that everyone liked and was really funny and it's so easy master deflector yeah, of course, great lawyer. 

27:56
Honestly I thought you'd be a shit lawyer but like after listening, you might be a good lawyer and, like I said in, my clip last week as much as like the hospice numbers and numbers and making the announcements of when it's time to lay it to the wifey and stuff as part of a peer group. I think Guy's an asset Because he's just so different and out there. I would see him as an asset to the peer group as long as it's one where we've got to make fun of our friends. 

28:22 - Jason (Co-host)
You had a bold statement last week. You would add him to the friend group and, based off off listening to the spaces, you were 100. Right, he's a. 

28:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He is the biggest plus ev value, add to it like if he's your only friend. That might be weird, but I mean like as a guy who's gonna be part and and will accept like being made fun of when he does something embarrassing. I see bow as as an asset and be great to have a friend who can get down like that at quickly though horrible, better though, but let's just throw that out there, because I don't want to. 

28:50 - Jason (Co-host)
I feel like I I'm getting lulled by him. I like I'm starting to like him. I know he's a scammer. I mean, maybe not, maybe not, but like no he's a scam based off of everything we've seen, he's a scammer like there's there. 

29:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I I think we can pretty comfortably say he's not a winning bettor. 

29:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
We know by the limit. 

29:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Fanduel is pretty respectable with limits Relative to a lot of rec books, but he's getting like 10x limits and that just doesn't happen. It's plain and simple and BlazBets. 

29:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You are only made for short form. Stock down Once you are out of, like your quick soundbite videos. Buddy, you do not. I'm just advice. You do not want to play like long form game? It's not for you. 

29:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I immediately tune out as soon as I see blesbets as a speaker. I'm not gonna, it's just it does nothing for me. Man of the library. 

29:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Blesbets, I think the schticks are like, but I think the overall people who aren't part of gambling Twitter, like I think the spaces live up to like just pigs in mom's basement Slobs. This is Friday, Saturday night. I'm 40 years old with three kids, I'm allowed to be home on Friday and Saturday night yeah. 

30:04
Okay. My wife asked me a plans. I'm allowed to be home on Friday and Saturday night. Okay, my wife asked me if plans I said football season's over. I got plans in the fall. Okay, some of you people have lives to live, don't look at me Like I was listening. 

30:12 - Jason (Co-host)
Yeah, I was listening to this. It's crazy because what Elf has done has been like basically Dana White's goal his entire career as the owner night, which is the toughest thing to do for a live demographic and he did that. He's done that. I totally agree. 

30:26 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Elf massive stock up, but I don't think he was convincing people to stay. I don't think people were staying in for the Elf spaces. I think there are just a lot of people on gambling Twitter who don't have I saw the picture. 

30:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think a lot of the stereotypes also like stock up gambling Twitter up gambling twitter stereotypes 100 that many mutants are home wrestling in the 80s and 90s man. The characters are so. It's not like modern day characters now where they're just like themselves. Well, aj styles. Listen, this is like classic characters where you're like, holy fuck, like this guy's got something going on. I mean that in the nicest way, but it's. It's insane like the, the. I mean there was one guy there was that losing better, came into one of the one of the spaces and pretended to be someone else and people thought he was that person for like 10 minutes. 

31:17 - Jason (Co-host)
It's actually crazy that it's taken us to like 30 minutes to get to this point, because in my opinion, this was the highlight of the entire space so far. It was rob you, were you pro at going against prop fellas and jimmy from prop fellas, and then also billy billionaire bets, whatever the billionaire guys yeah going after. 

31:35
I don't want to say he's on your side, but he's also going after prop fellas. They're going after each other, calling each other scammers and then, when losing better, came in with a fake accent like like, if I need to, we need to find that clip. That that was maybe the top 10 funniest moments I've seen on Twitter in like a long time. I was cackling. 

31:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got my one move with these guys, which is I go in and it's just what is your edge? Yeah, if you cannot tell me what your edge is, betting on sport, you want to run a discord for 40 bucks bucks a month, sure, and you know what some guys will be like. I just run it and and we've built this community of thousands of guys who just like to talk to each other. There's value in that. I completely agree. Yeah, go for it. It's the guys that come in and are like we're giving away these picks, we're helping people win money. Yeah, you can't even explain what your edge is. He's like well, what's your edge? I gave him like a million. I'm like I do all these things. I'm like what's yours? And he's like he's like flustered. You sell a product. Like yeah, we sell an odd guy doesn't know what an odd screen is the thought of an odd screen. 

32:30 - Jason (Co-host)
He probably doesn't even know that there's multiple sports books that you can bet on. He doesn't know line shopping. 

32:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I wasn't a speaker at that point, but it was such a good encapsulation of why those people were scammers. When the idea of someone betting full time came up, yeah, unimagin, unimaginable to them. Yeah, unimaginable to these two people who sell picks that you could win enough money that that would be your main source of income. I got a job in finance. 

32:52 - Jason (Co-host)
It's like great Congratulations and you're still losing better. How fucking shit are you at your job Like yes? 

32:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Oh, my God man. 

32:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Truly incredible stuff that's going on. I stuff that's going on. I just hope that it can well. I hope it could develop into a long-term thing and it just doesn't fizzle out. And I already like today, the flame out. I was up till 2 am last night. I'm not feeling the greatest right now it's you know I, I'm like I don't know how much longer I can I can do this and I have like I see a picture of trent at the knicks game, by the way he bets the knicks game at MSG with his 

33:23 - Jason (Co-host)
phone listening to the faces. 

33:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
By the way, he bets the Knicks that night because Matt gave it out like minus 520 money line. He's like dude. What happened to the script with the? 

33:34 - Jason (Co-host)
Knicks Holy fuck man. Well, you know he's got to sometimes send out the fakes. You can't be on to him too much, yeah there's all sorts. 

33:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I included this. I can't even. There's so many things that have happened since this guy. I don't even know who this guy is anymore Completely forgot. 

33:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that's the thing Elf has to let his shit breathe. I know Just as a content suggestion. Let it breathe, Build some drama up for the next couple days and let's go again on the middle of the week For his own personal sanity. 

34:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You listen to him at the end of these spaces like guys. I'm exhausted I gotta work in the morning. 

34:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm like I got sorry he made it seem like the math is thing, like he has one tinder girl leave when it starts and another one coming by the time it ends the way way stuck up for him. 

34:21 - Jason (Co-host)
He's got girls in the background. This guy's, this guy's doing well for himself. How old is he? 22?, 23?, 24, I think, he said. 

34:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh my god. And then Elf letting Taylor Ask for, like Guy, dating stories. 

34:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's not what people Are there for Like he has, yeah, but he's, he's Kate, he wants, he's not stupid, he no hold on, he's not stupid, he's definitely dick riding, for, like you know, no, but he has to rein that shit in. 

34:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That is my point. 

34:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but he needs to stay on good terms with her so that he can invite her back. 

34:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's the same with Bo. Yeah, that's fine. 

34:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's not going to go in on these. 

34:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
How many times did? 

34:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
people ask Elf if he thought Bo was a winning better where he just deflected or didn't answer the question. 

35:01 - Jason (Co-host)
Well, he said like I think he's pretty much I don't know if he's outright said no, but he's implied that he does not think he's winning better at all, and he's said that. 

35:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I get it. You're like a like you go to your safe new space to get know you're going to be protected, but like at some point, like how many times are you going to let Bo dance around it? Taylor, like you said, it's almost a free pass. Okay, quickly, the fact that she, like you, listen to it, and it's like there's nothing there. 

35:34 - Jason (Co-host)
We'll quickly see if it goes sale, because I'm going to ask you guys each a yes or no question Are you going to tune in tonight? 

35:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't plan to, but I'm almost certain that I will Okay see, that's Are you going? 

35:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
to tune in no. 

35:45 - Jason (Co-host)
I won't be on tonight. You're going to tune in tonight. 

35:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but like you'll see me in like a 20-minute snippet, like I'm out there, I'm walking the dog, instead of listening to some other content, I'll be listening to that. 

36:01 - Jason (Co-host)
Like that's where you'll be listening. That's the best way to consume. 

36:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But I'm not like sitting there like just listening to it, I am. 

36:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not ashamed to admit I love it but also think about like it's different, because if I was in my mid-20s, yeah and and I don't mean this offensive- I have no life. 

36:18
But no, but you're. I don't actually don't know if you're single or not, whatever it doesn't, we don't have to reveal that. But like I'm married right, I don't have kids I spend time with my wife. At night. We do different things. It's just really weird if on a nightly basis, I'm like no, babe, go do something else, whatever, and I'm just going to listen to it. 

36:36 - Jason (Co-host)
I want it. I was in the hot tub listening to Twitter spaces. 

36:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's an. 

36:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That being said, if I wake up the next morning and it's like 45 minutes an hour I will probably make my way through the whole thing. If I don't like something, I'll hit the fast 15 button. I'll fat thumb it until it gets to. 

36:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think something picks up, but at four hours I'm not even fat thumbing through that thing, like it is just too much for me to change a speed, just like any other podcast. 

37:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
So I'm listening to it for hours. 

37:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It just feels hours this morning. 

37:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I for you know classic four hours. 

37:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You know there's another one tonight. You're like I almost should I tap out now exactly. I'm not gonna be able to last much longer. I rolled over I. 

37:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I grabbed my phone I saw the amount of motive of notifications I had on my phone this morning. I can't do that every night. I cannot speak just because of the sheer volume of people who will reach out to me afterwards. It has reached that level of mass market. 

37:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Twice a week. What do you think would happen not to like step on Elf's toes here If on Thursday night we did a circle back spaces where someone could come in there. Yell at me, yell at me. 

37:46 - Jason (Co-host)
Yell at you. I think that's part of the problem, though, as why Elf feels like he has to do this every day and as much as possible is because Omar I don't want to say he's the originator of this, but this all started in an Omar space, and Omar Spanky is the originator of this. 

38:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
These happened like five years ago. And these happened like five years ago and Spanky was the originator. He would have people on in an open forum to air their grievance and he was the mediator and he would sort. Literally, spanky is the originator. Now it fizzled out after a while. 

38:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So it's like gambling Twitter. Court Elf is the. I mean he could be a better judge, but he's the judge. 

38:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, he doesn't even need, he doesn't even. Yeah, he's even judged. 

38:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think the conversation flowing, make sure, but like I said I feel like if this thing actually is sustainable, he will be so much better at this thing and like, especially at the rate he's pumping them out yeah, the reps he's getting at modding, he's gonna be a king in like two weeks, like 40 hours a week he's doing. 

38:41
Yeah like those hours to be an expert like what do you say a thousand hours at a craft or something makes you, yeah, whatever, that is like elf's on his way. He's gonna be an expert at the craft sooner than later. 

38:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, so good for him yeah the only, the only thing that I really didn't like how old is he do? I know that he's mid, early 20s. I didn't and this is not because of the person separate the person I I hated. I listened Fezzik spaces that he had which was kind of like an interview that one sucked. What are? 

39:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
we talking about, there's other spaces, so this was on Friday, I think, right. 

39:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Thursday, but I'm tuning in. I'm like fuck, get somebody in here to ask this guy some tough questions you can't have. I like Fezzik it, you can't have? 

39:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I like Fezzik. It's been documented. I could be a writer for Fezzik, but you can't have Fezzik on Spaces without letting the public court get a word or five in that is just unacceptable. 

39:38 - Jason (Co-host)
That felt like a Elf won't make that mistake again. I think he fucked up because Jake Benzik was also on and the profit exchange's account was also on. 

39:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So it was a paid stream. 

39:47 - Jason (Co-host)
Listen, I'm not going to say it was a paid stream You're supposed to disclose with hashtag ad, if it was, by the way, but we're not going to talk about it or make it presented by et cetera. 

39:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was so different than everything else Elf did that it makes me think, maybe that was an ad. 

40:00 - Jason (Co-host)
I'm sad that I missed this one, because I would have jumped in easily and asked Fezzik if he had receipts, because he still hasn't posted or mentioned anything about his receipts with the punt bet. 

40:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Nah, he made money on the punt bet. 

40:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah he made it. 

40:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Now listen, my issue with the punt bet is not that Fezzik bet it himself, it's that he gave it out as a play on a service, and I think your assessment of Rob's was right Like and I think your assessment of Rob's was right Like he got it, he saw it, he got it, he got in on it and when he told other people to bet, I don't think he told someone else to bet it, knowing they're only getting $12 on it. 

40:34 - Jason (Co-host)
Listen, I'm a little fish if I'm still going to go after Fezzik for this, because I haven't seen it yet. So I'm going to listen. Maybe I want to you. 

40:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're the guy You're like where's the P&L, where is it? Show the profit loss, I'll eat a bag of shit. 

40:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know if I'll do that. What is with? 

40:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
people eating shit. 

40:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What is happening in the world? Eagles are in the Super Bowl. Remember that guy. Oh, I know, remember that guy. He ate the shit on the ground last time Fucking disgusting man I don't eat shit. 

41:02 - Jason (Co-host)
It's also crazy. That's how confident they are that he won't do it. Is that? 

41:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
they're willing to stake that. 

41:07 - Jason (Co-host)
Yeah Well, just story to those who want to be wary of eating shit. I believe John Rich, who was also in the spaces barstool guy, said he would eat his shit if something happened. 

41:19 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And he actually ended up eating shit on camera and it got like no views yeah. 

41:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And he got like there were people making fun of him for it, because it's like you ate shit for no reason. Yeah, that's disgusting. 

41:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's pretty awful, I mean overall I think it was like the eco good for the ecosystem. I think great for us. I love, I love this meme that I won the money uh created, which is one of my favorite memes to use, which is the car that veers to the right really quickly so left is discussing edges and good bankroll management, right I will. I will eat my shit if you can show a profitable fando. 

41:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's what it is yeah, well, well, I think and brett says this a lot on the spaces and I'll tip my cap to him because it's a great point he always says that like the sharp people are always criticizing, like you can't have bo wagner on, you can't platform. But like on you can't platform, but like this is the shit. We love Everyone's spending fucking 20 hours in these spaces listening to it. We love the brain rot and I'll admit it, that's true, I do love the brain rot when the physics space there were a lot of problems with it because he wasn't challenged at all, but or or the fluff space where they were talking about paid discords, like those ones sucked because they just like we're talking about normal stuff and that's also way too nice. 

42:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, chris deer kiss is a great guy, but like he, he asks questions. You got to be like when you get in there, you got to be ready to fucking stir it up. 

42:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's uh a tough scene for, like your, your shippers and your boners, they won't be in there. 

42:43 - Jason (Co-host)
No, I'm saying it's tough. You'll ever jump. I'm saying it's a tough scene. You don't think Diggs will ever jump in there. 

42:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, it's a tough scene for them, who are just like. The only content that's acceptable is. 

42:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't think they care, though Honestly, I don't think they care. I don't yeah. 

42:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They fucking put a poll out about me being here. 

42:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's true, but it's different. So what do you mean? They don't care. 

43:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's a little oh, so like you shouldn't be downgrading yourself by sitting here with me, rob, you know what. 

43:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I go to bat for you all the time. This show wouldn't exist without you. But, yes, I think that's part of what it is I really do Like. If I did a Twitter, we could do one. We could open it up to questions with Jeff Feinberg, shipper Diggs, whatever the hell they want to ask, but it's going to. 

43:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
it's where was I going to go? I don't think they want to ask me questions. 

43:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Anyways, we'll see who tunes in tonight. 

43:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just don't think they want. 

43:34 - Jason (Co-host)
Well, my question to you has your tune changed on man of the Vague, who has been? 

43:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, he's the guy with that's Shohei's guy. Yeah, he's the guy who really Him and Moneybaggio really go after these guys hard. 

43:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Which. 

43:49 - Jason (Co-host)
I respect. 

43:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
By the way, I got no beef with that, by the way this guy? 

43:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I just saw the picture on screen. Who is this beef guy? Do you guys know who? That is Never heard of him. That guy came into the Taylor Mathis and he kept asking the same question over and over, which was like fuck Mary, kill Bin. 

44:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Laden something. Do you know what I think he must be? Because obviously you get Big Cat in and that's great, but they're on a one-agenda track thing. The barstool is just like the Nadeau-Rico beef, because it was Bin Laden, rico Nadeau. So he must have just been thinking he's making Big Cat laugh. 

44:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got to say that by far, since these spaces have started the worst schtick of anyone but last night it was different. 

44:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was like a lot of the like secondary, tertiary barstool guys that seem to have just been in there for their own personal entertainment. 

44:42 - Jason (Co-host)
There's a couple people in here that I want to talk about, but first of all Freudie. 

44:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is a Freudie. 

44:47 - Jason (Co-host)
How to Lose Brain Cells, speedrun Edition. I've never heard of this guy. Oh, you don't know, freudie, I don't know him. 

44:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so good meme, though I actually have a small story about it. I don't like Freudie and this is like you could call it, irrational, but but um, let me choose my words here because I don't want to reveal too much information. When we started the hammer me, uh, johnny and julian the idea was to like blend sharps and square. We wanted to have like an all-encompassing network that caters to everyone, and we tried hard to get trent to join, and we had a conversation with trent and he's like fuck yeah, I'm in, like I'm on board with this, love the idea or whatever, and we're supposed to have a follow-up conversation. 

45:29
And Freudie joined that. Freudie is actually Trent's agent and he shut that down real quick. He's like no, no, no, no. The only way this is happening is if you guys buy, book it, and he gave a very rough price point which, in hindsight, we probably should have gone forward with something like that. 

45:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Does this guy take good care? 

45:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
of Trent? I don't know, but like I can't see his picture and his name now without thinking of that, and like he's well within his right to say that, by the way. I'm not but I personally just don't, because it would have been amazing, like it would have been really cool, if trent was part of our network and they're really going. I could have done stuff regularly with trent. 

46:10 - Jason (Co-host)
I think he's. I love trent, by the way. I think he's awesome. I've changed my tune on him. I think he's great I was worried about whatever his like negative impact with the just like chasing right, but I think he is what he is. He's very honest about, about it, which is the most important. Someone asked me if I think Trent is a winner. 

46:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm like I don't book bets. But let's just say, hypothetically, if I was booking bets, I would probably take Trent's action. I like Trent. I don't like him in this form, because he's just in there, he's too nice. He's too nice and he's just trying to like. He's just in there and he's too nice. He's too nice and he's just trying to like. He's publicly saying like let's get some more beefs in here, like let's stir it up. Who wants to stir it up? And it's like it's becoming that. That's the part of it that is gonna like when it gets overplayed, like that it has to be authentic. 

46:58
Yes, yeah, when people come in and they legitimately hate each other, it's fucking great. 

47:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But once you start saying like we need to, actually let's all tag man of the library on twitter or whatever, it sucks, man when that happens it's fucking awesome when two people hate each other from the internet and they've never met and they're angry about each other because of tweets or other thing that's. 

47:17 - Jason (Co-host)
That's great, you know. You know who was born in the wrong generation and missed it by like maybe three years too early was the bet stamp social guy. If the bet stamp social guy was around for these, he would be having a field day he would be in there, just like the draft kings account he would there all that stamps account would be in there non-stop, but he would be talking on that for sure 100 from the bet stamp brand account 

47:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
like he would be obliterate. Sorry, and just to confirm. So a desktop you can go in anonymous. 

47:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, so that'll never be me, I did find a workaround to go in anonymous on mobile as well. 

47:50 - Jason (Co-host)
Well, no, but it involved using the web version of the app. 

47:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But like at 9 at night, I'm not sitting at the desktop, so I'm just Update your apps. 

47:58 - Jason (Co-host)
It allows me to listen anonymously on my phone as well. 

48:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't even want to listen to him, are you iPhone? 

48:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
or you Android. I don't want to listen to him. 

48:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not in there enough to be embarrassed. I know like, listen. The worst case scenario is what happened to our guy Hitman a few weeks ago. They're having an awkward conversation, it gets clipped and, like you, don't want your face to be one of the pictures there. 

48:17 - Jason (Co-host)
It's crazy, because he's the only other face that's not in the conversation. 

48:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But it conversation, but it kind of looks like he's in the conversation. It was so good, it was so good. That's a fear of anyone's, but I'm I, I and these conversations wouldn't shock you if they drifted to places that like you wouldn't want your face on the clip of that. 

48:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I probably wouldn't have wanted to be like tagged in the mafia conversation that was happening, you know, but like that's, that probably wouldn't have been my thing. 

48:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We're just as good. We can do an hour on this fucking thing and I make fun of the guy for hosting it for four. 

48:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's a. It's a, it's amazing content. Honestly it's. It's like I wouldn't say I make fun. Some of it is really childish and you it's. It's fine to admit that. That's okay and it's totally fine. It's really entertaining man, it's it. I. I credit elf like I. I tweeted something about his stock dropping. That was a when he had Bo Wagner on the first time. It wasn't good, it sucked, man. The guy was just deflecting every question At some point. Just take Like boot. I'm like let's move on. But overall I think he's created something that the proof is in the pudding man, the viewership or listenership, I should say, the amount of people talking about it, including us. 

49:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's a great idea and the delivery system on Twitter is fantastic. Like it just, you're just showing to check anything and it's right there and it's like, oh, you're speaking, get in, get in. 

49:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It happens. I get alerts. I get the alert. This person is speaking. 

49:46 - Jason (Co-host)
I'm like you guys got alerts when people speak. Oh yeah, oh, I didn't realize that. 

49:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you have notification set for for that person, for that person, oh, you'll get an alert when they're so it's like yeah honestly, if I see like pazola speaking, I'm gonna buckle the fuck up. 

50:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's laying into someone in there I don't request to speak unless. 

50:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got something to say, if I got something to say, I'll request to speak, but when they're calling me in there, I'm not joining. 

50:11 - Jason (Co-host)
One more thing I want to touch on is I don't know who's. Some of these people who join are for sure drunk. I don't want to say for sure, but like it's Saturdays, fridays, aren't they? Allowed to be drunk, of course. There, I think, beau, the first time Aren't they allowed? 

50:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
to be drunk. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that, but I think, beau, the first time I mean one guy was talking about how he was doing fentanyl or something. Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. 

50:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think that was losing better in his bed than the guy thought he was on fentanyl. 

50:32 - Jason (Co-host)
So I'm pretty sure I don't know. I thought, Beau was drunk when the first time and he made kids and he made time to join the show. 

50:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's so funny. 

50:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's like you guys kept calling me in here. I've got to put the kids to bed, I've got to do this, but that's real. 

50:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He joined again late last night. They're like why did you come back in here? 

50:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's like I'm an old man, I had to take a piss. 

50:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No wrong with him, Bo Bo would excel in a group chat. 

51:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think he's a great player. 

51:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He would excel If I didn't know what Bo does, I could be friends with him. 

51:10 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, that's the problem with him. 

51:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's the problem with Bo. It's scary because I'm not stupid and I know. Again, I see the limits, I know, but he comes off as very relatable. A lot of these other guys come off as like crazy, insane person. It's like I don't want to ever meet that person. I don't want to go Bo, I'll have a drink with him, no problem. 

51:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But like and it's so hard, Like you feel bad not bad, but like people come in and they don't know what's going on and the dudes are clearly making fun of Bo for the Hellcat. But then a dude gets on the mic being like stop complimenting him on his Hellcat, the Hellcat stuff was way too fun. But, like, anyone who's been listening for 10 minutes knows they're just mocking him. Okay, that was great, we're going to do that again. 

51:56 - Jason (Co-host)
All right, jason, thank you for joining Quickly. I just want to throw one thing out there. I got to go on forward progress, but Plus ev was the. The saturday night spaces was plus ev because it kept you up enough long enough if you weren't out yes, to get into the next topic. 

52:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Thank you very much, jason cooper. Everyone. We'll bring him in every now and then as we discuss twitter spaces well, we need him because someone has to put in the time we need someone who like it's like a research assistant for the show. 

52:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, no, it's true. It's true If he's going to keep up. 

52:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean you guys are probably similar age, jason and Kirk right around. If he's going to be in these just as much as you If Elf is going to keep up. 

52:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I've got shit to do. 

52:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If Elf's going to keep up this, I guess I don't. If this pace isn't going to slow down, we might have to. 

52:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
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54:18
Uh, shams. Tweeted breaking. The dallas mavericks are trading luka donchich, essentially to the lakers, for anthony davis and a first round pick, a three-team deal that includes utah. Now, I was awake at this time because I was in the twitter spaces while it was happening and started getting posted in friend chats as well, and my first initial reaction was like seems really, really weird. I'm not a basketball expert by any stretch of the imagination, but even I could tell that this is a very lopsided deal. Shamsin has to tweet yes, this is real Sources tell ESn and he lists the trade out um, this was like. This is like a bomb drop in the middle of the night, essentially. Um, I will always remember where I was when, like, certain things happened in sports history. The most recent one for me that stands out was when andrew luck retired. Yeah, I remember I was playing board games with friends and I just got like a an alert. 

55:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This is fucking crazy, like a crazy deal for modern day nba it's the craziest deal in nba history and probably in sports history in terms of shocking value, the player being Luka, who's like, probably the third most valuable asset in the NBA. Even when this tweet came up yes, it is real I still thought it was fake. The only when I started accepting like this actually happened was when other beat reporters tweeted like yes, I'm, I'm also hearing this, I'm confirming To me. The only comparable one I could think of in the NBA was the Paul George and then Kawhi's going also. But like that doesn't even compare to this. 

56:05
There are so many factors. One, no one knew Luka was available at all, right. Two, now that it's seemingly come out that Luka wasn't demanding a trade this was a dallas decision and that the mavs didn't canvas the league and got this bad of a package. Like I think anthony davis is maybe being underappreciated a little bit in these trade talks he's very good, but like the lakers had another first round pick to offer and dalton connect, how did the mavericks not get that? So, yeah, just probably the most shocking trade in. But like the Lakers had another first-round pick to offer and Dalton Connect, how did the Mavericks not get that? So yeah, just probably the most shocking trade in sports history that I can think of. 

56:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, you weren't alone in terms of thinking that this still might be fake because Mr Peanutbutter says Unbelievable Shams, hack execution. It's absurd, but just real enough. I'm not 100% positive. It's fake. I don't know the benefit, though. Whoever is doing this could easily move an NBA line and make themselves a good chunk of change. Were you up still, jeff? No, so you saw this in the morning. 

57:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I saw this in the group chat and it started with people saying that's fake. Everyone thought it was fake. That's the funniest thing about the best part about the whole trade. The entire internet didn't think it was real. That's how one-sided it is. The only thing this trade is going for. It is like in all of life pretty much when people have 100% consensus, it doesn't work out. That's the only thing. You know what Doesn't like work out. That's the only thing you know. What there's only one side of this is. It's so 100% consensus and there's nothing that people agree on. That's usually right, so that's the one thing I'll give you if you're a Mavs fan. 

57:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's funny that you mention that because I agree with you there. I think back to like arguing with friends and colleagues about specific trades in history. They weren't as bad as they were to like arguing with friends and colleagues about specific trades in history and everyone's bad is um. Who did um? Who was the running back for the cleveland browns? I want to say 2015 ish high draft pick out of alabama, trent richardson. He got traded for nothing, right like he just. And the whole people were like yeah to the like what the fuck are the browns doing? And this and that like the most lopsided trade ever. 

58:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And he never had, but yeah, no no, not, obviously not. 

58:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Apples to apples. This is like lucas, but you're right, I think back to some trades that were considered lopsided there are, like. 

58:29 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The mavs obviously have so much more information than we do. So you want to give benefit of the doubt, but also it just makes no sense Even giving all the benefit of the doubt to the Mavs. You just can't get there. 

58:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It just doesn't make sense Even if Anthony Davis was the player you wanted and there probably wasn't other trades to get you off that you still canvassed the league. So you can get more with anthony davis. So you can go back to the mavs or the lakers and be like we're getting these offers, yeah, like you have to up your offer. Right, we're still getting the centerpiece we want, but the ancillary needs to be more. 

59:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm I would love to see like a 30 for 30 of how this trade came together. I would. I think that would be riveting. You might get one. Honestly. What is um jacob mavs gm nico harrison? What do you know about nico harrison? 

59:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
uh, okay. Well, this story came up again recently because of his ties to anthony davis. Okay, because he used to work at Nike and he was involved at Nike when Anthony Davis was involved there as well. And one thing he's infamous for with Nike is he completely botched the pitch to Steph Curry to get him to sign with Nike. This is alleged, this is reported, but he called him Seth in the interview instead of Steph. 

59:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I don't think that's reported. I think Nico Harrison has said that on record. Oh, okay, he. No, I don't think that's reported. I think Nico Harrison has said that on record. Oh, okay, he's actually admitted to that. 

59:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He said I'm pretty sure I called him Seth, and then also he used a presentation that was meant for Kevin Durant, for Steph Curry, and Steph Curry ended up with Under Armour, one of the biggest wins for Under Armour, the biggest win Under Armour has ever had in basketball. To my knowledge, he's got his own brand there now. So, yeah, on this, I don't know. I feel like 100% of people are agreeing that this is a bad trade because it's just that bad of a trade. Agree, yeah. 

01:00:21
The trade is so bad that people think that there's corruption involved over it just being a bad trade. 

01:00:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The league ratings are down. We've got to service the Lakers Well. 

01:00:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Nico is also really close with the Lakers GM, which makes it weird. And then the quotes afterwards from Nico. He was bragging that when he brought it up to the owner the owner laughed at him. He said Jason Kidd didn't know, it's just a very bizarre situation. 

01:00:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He was bragging that. Nobody else knew about the trade. 

01:00:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You should have shopped it man. 

01:00:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like Jeff was saying, you could have got the Lakers to up their offer. I struggled to see the Lakers not doing this with the 31 pick involved as well, of course. 

01:01:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's no way. That was a sticking point. I love the quotes that were dug up from Mark Cuban in the past before, where it's like, if you ask me, between my wife and Don Chich, I'm getting a divorce. 

01:01:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The best part of this, or one of the great parts about this that I enjoyed, is there are so many NBA fans who did not know he didn't still own the team, wasn't still the controlling owner. He had played it so perfectly in a sense where he had sold. He's gotten peak valuation for his sale but he still, other than like having an owner suite, he still had the perception of 90 of the basketball world that he was still the fucking owner I knew, I knew that well yeah, you're a, you, jacob, you run a. 

01:01:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm not talking about you I'm talking about like that right I, I'm talking about everybody. 

01:01:55 - Jason (Co-host)
Until just now. Honestly, he almost had to come out. 

01:01:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, the people are inside the league. Fair enough, fair enough. Listen, there's a lot. 

01:02:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I saw some ugly stuff on the internet about the trade just based on who the owner of the Mavericks is now, yeah, I did see that Right. So it went to a lot of really ugly places but Mark Cuban for the first time pretty much publicly acknowledged. I know you still think like I'm not the owner of the team anymore and he was walking the line so perfectly of getting paid but people still thinking that he had it. So this whole trade blew up, that facade for him. 

01:02:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I love. I miss the era of blockbuster trades and sports. I think a lot of that's changed. Because of salary caps in certain leagues it's really hard to move players. Recently we've seen I mean we're not even talking about the aaron fox trade that was reported as well, which is a big deal In the NHL. Weeks ago we saw Mikko Rantanen get traded to Carolina for Natchez Martin Natchez. We're starting to see those happen again. I miss that about sports. 

01:03:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I love that something like this has happened to get us talking about the league Absolutely Well I think the NBA to give the NBA credit as the on-court product people seem to have a problem with has always had the blockbuster move. 

01:03:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah but even when people didn't like the on-court problem, like what was a suffocating conversation on twitter, it was what's wrong with the nba? Yeah, like the nba for all of its shortcomings, or people trying to make it out like, because the tv ratings are down, pretty much every sport outside of football that it is somehow, like now, inferior and the low hanging fruits that come with that. That discourse alone. By how? Like galvanizing that discourse was on the Internet. And then you see the discourse around a trade like the league is still fucking king. It's not football, no one is, but it is still on like almost a tier of its own. 

01:03:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I really appreciated back in the day when I thought Adam Schefter was like an incredibly smart guy. He's tweeting His tweet. Comparison for this an NFL equivalent the Ravens trading Lamar Jackson plus to the Bengals in exchange for Joe Burrow plus in the middle of the season did not even come remotely close to capturing what this trade is the greatest thing about football season being over is this guy can go away for a little bit Free agency. 

01:04:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He can pop back up, do his thing. I'm pro-Shefty, but some of his shit has just jumped the shark. 

01:04:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know who actually had the best comp Nick Wright. Nick Wright said this is like if a deal was made a year and a half ago and it was Josh Allen getting traded for Matt Stafford in a first. That to me is as close a comp. I don't like Nick Wright. 

01:04:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Go ahead, jacob. I think a good current day one is trading Jamar Chase for Mike Evans, plus picks Sure. 

01:04:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Similar type of thing. 

01:04:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I hate this game. My brain doesn't even try. I agree, my brain is not even going to try to fucking think of this great hypothetical trade Credit to everyone who has it. It's not for me. 

01:05:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The only thing that's made me realize is that the tier of QBs drop off after Burrow is so big. I was looking through like what the comparison? Who's the fifth best quarterback in the NFL, like Baker Mayfield? 

01:05:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, Justin Herbert or Jaden Daniels. 

01:05:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Oh yeah, justin Herbert, yeah. 

01:05:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But they need to be old for it to work. Exactly that's why. 

01:05:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Stafford works Cause he's a good quarterback, but he's old. 

01:05:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah. 

01:05:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Using a year and a half. 

01:05:36 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Clearly, the Mavs think that Luka is going to be a better Harden Like this guy. No, I'm just saying he's a better Harden. Harden won an MVP. Sure, I don't know. 

01:05:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They clearly have this perception that he's not going to want to get in shape, or live up to the standards of what we want when we're going to give the guy. 

01:05:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That guy took it to the final last year. Clearly it doesn't really matter. 

01:05:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm just saying what they must think. 

01:06:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The reports coming out is that they're just done trying to get him on the track, so now he's going to LeBron, who's like the freak health epitome. 

01:06:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We'll see if we can get him going. 

01:06:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You've got to wonder how this is going to affect LeBron's 10-plus point streak. 

01:06:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's the most important Is that being incorporated into the numbers going forward On the stream. I know Elf's a big 10-plus point guy, isn't he? 

01:06:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, One thing before we move on here is that anybody who thinks this is like Adam Silver made the call type of thing, do you think it's more plausible? Adam Silver asked Nico Harrison to make a bad trade on purpose to help NBA ratings, so therefore sacrifice Nico Harrison's credibility and job security all for NBA ratings, or do you think? 

01:06:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
it's more plausible that Nico. 

01:06:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Harrison just bad at his job. Yeah, exactly who has had a track record of being bad at his job. Basically a glorified shoe salesman, basically Al Bundy making the trade. Do you know who Al bundy is? I know? 

01:06:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
that's tough, it's a tough one not like it's like, whatever I know you shouldn't have a reason to know. 

01:06:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, it's just tough. 

01:07:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, married with children was a big sitcom when it's actually really sad that, like my dad's over 80 but like, if I think like memories with my dad, it's probably sitting there watching him watch that show, understanding like one percent of the jokes oh, hundred percent him just. I used to watch with my dad as well, with that like I never seen my dad enjoy anything in life. Yeah, as much as he enjoyed that goddamn show. 

01:07:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Al bundy just sitting down on that couch sticking his hand in his pants classic, uh, classic moments. Um, maybe not a classic moment here, but definitely worth talking about as Al Bundy just sitting down on that couch sticking his hand in his pants Classic moments. Maybe not a classic moment here, but definitely worth talking about as it pertains to the NBA. We've all been there before trying to make a big play on the Super Bowl and then getting blocked at the worst possible moment. Your card gets declined, your PayPal freezes or you can't reload your account in time. It's frustrating. That's why so many serious bettors I know swear by Edge Boost. It's the first ever dedicated bank account for sports betting, dfs, casino and sweeps. Whether you're online or you're at the sportsbook, you'll never run into issues with deposits getting declined. And here's the kicker the Edge Boost Visa debit card lets you move up to $250K per day. Plus, you earn cash back on every deposit. So if you're betting $10K a week, which I know a lot of you are, that's an extra $100 to $400 back in your pocket every single week. Over an NFL season, that's an extra $2K to $8K. Perfect for those Super Bowl prop bets for futures or to cover some of those inevitable losses. I've got a ton of sharp bettors in my circle using edge boost right now. The consensus is clear it's the most reliable and efficient way to manage your bankroll. The super bowl is coming. Don't get stuck with your funds tied up when you need them the most. Start earning today at edge boostbet. Or click the link in the description down below. 

01:08:58
Uh, breaking news federal prosecutors investigating whether terry rosier manipulated his performance in 2023 as part of an illegal sports betting scheme. Per the wall street journal, um dave pertum tweets, multiple sportsbooks received requests in january from feds for betting records for clients connected to jaunte porter scandal. According to sources aware of the request, the same bettors are linked to the suspicion suspicious betting on terry rosier's props from march 2023. There's been lots of stuff that's been out there some real, some fake. There's a. You know you look back to earlier in March 2023, denchman on Twitter kind of was Good follow, by the way, good follow according to Jacob. I don't like to. I'm not going to say he's a good follow because I don't personally follow him, but according to Jacob I mean clearly the guy was pretty savant here. 

01:09:53
Yeah, he noticed this in real time as it was happening. But then there's more to this afterwards, because someone else back in 2023, made what appears to be a joke of a tweet about him betting on Rozier's unders because he got inside information. Unders because he got inside information and turns out that this has been, uh, caught up, but worldwide wob tweeted about it and, uh, it's pretty hilarious stuff. 

01:10:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I can't even imagine being greg in this situation. A tweet from two years ago. That was a joke. I was arguing with people that this wasn't a joke. It has become very clear that this was a joke, but imagine coming back to your phone and an account with millions of followers has retweeted a tweet from from two years ago alleging you in this scheme because you were trolling, saying that rosier was was colluding or rigging games. And then it turned out it might be true. 

01:10:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's it's an insane like unlucky circumstance for this guy. The best part was that he actually embraced it and started like tweeting that the fbi is taking over his account and stuff like that, if that wasn't the dead giveaway of of it being a joke that I don't know greg's great I would have reacted way differently than this, like if I had a tweet from 2023. 

01:11:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Even as a troll, I would have been like pretty petrified. He really took it on the chin, kept joking about it. Good for him 122 dollars. 

01:11:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What's he got to be afraid of? Well, that's also the giveaway as well, but that's also the giveaway that it was a joke, like people. 

01:11:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
People are responding to this now and they're like you knew that it was a fix and you only bet 122 dollars. It's like, yeah, it's a joke, but what's going around now is that there's some speculation and again, this is just pure speculation that Rozier's girlfriend or a girl that he liked, was betting these unders and she apparently posted this publicly. So no fucking way. I think it has to do with Selenaena powell. I saw a weird tweet a while back that quickly got deleted. Apparently she was betting his under on three pointers, tweeted it out under a heat fan account a month or two ago but quickly deleted it. Heat nation says wait that one model linked to terry rosier is claiming he's missing, so she can hit her parlays. She replied to me saying that now deleted. What the hell is going on? 

01:12:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
this has to be dude, get tout. People want clout so hard. Even this girl who's getting fed it from Rozier needed clout. 

01:12:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I know, like the 

01:12:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
obsession of of getting clout for winning bets on the internet, even ones that you're being fed by active players, knows no bounds, that she felt the need to like want to brag about knowing this bet, and I actually think this theory is more plausible than him just like rigging games himself for money himself, because it's 130 million career earnings, like there's just no way it could make sense. 

01:12:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not a jonte porter situation. 

01:12:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Jonte porter is like uh, he's a d league player, jonte porter was on about 400k at the time uh, at the time of this game he was on in the first year of a 96 million dollar contract that must be 20. 

01:13:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That might be some wild pussy, like no. I'm just saying you're thinking like, come on, that must be where you want her to get the like endorphins of hitting a fucking little parlay yes, uh, that must be and how she puts out for you when those things are flying, when her fan duel's popping. Yeah, it can't be. He's not trying to make money. There's no side hustle in this? 

01:13:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, there's not. I will say, though, I'm very strong in my stance, that if this turns out to be true. If it turns out to be true after an investigation, I think he should get a lifetime ban. 

01:13:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Agreed, that's the precedent, but this stuff investigation. 

01:13:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think he should get a lifetime ban. Agreed, that's the precedent, but this stuff, you can't fuck around with this. This is like you know how many people have. 

01:13:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Now they want to get rid of prop bets, Like even on ESPN. What's the show where they give fake points? I'm not even making fun of the show. Yeah, they said like there's a fix here. Like you bet the winners of the game, you can bet over-unders, but this whole hyper-niche props on these smallest little aspects of the game. People are calling for those to go. 

01:14:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, and that's the unfortunate thing, some states. 

01:14:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I've already said they're going to get rid of Some places. You can bet games but not props, right? 

01:14:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, they've been talking about stuff like that. 

01:14:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I think that was in the Massachusetts bill, but isn't a thing yet Some states you can't bet on college props because of, or you can't bet the college team that's in the state, like if you're in Chicago or Illinois. 

01:14:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You can't bet. 

01:14:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Northwestern games and stuff like that. But yeah, that's a tough scene. 

01:14:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I think he probably just If he's involved involved. He probably is involved by that's, my guess is involved by accident, whether he told somebody is it his minutes? Who? 

01:14:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
had. What do you say to his honey pot? He's like listen well I'm not. I don't take threes coach don't want me to take him. 

01:15:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm not you can't do that, or or it leads to a staff member uh, on the hornets who leaked it like your little honey pot to say I'm not gonna, I'm not. 

01:15:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
the coach yelled at me for shooting threes. I don't think is the worst thing, but the fact that she had to like clout chase, that that's dirty, it really is. 

01:15:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like it's not good. 

01:15:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's part of like the nefarious part of this thing. 

01:15:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But if he's just relaying like those three pointers, like I am like banned from those. Yeah, it's a tough look all around. And speaking of tough looks, ian McMillan finds himself here. 

01:15:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Um on circle back for a second time sorry, I'm known. I said sorry Ian. Yeah, I've known Ian for a long time. 

01:15:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He got done dirty here a bit well, we'll talk about it um. 

01:15:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He tweeted that MGM has no for a hole-in-one at Pebble Beach Pro-Am at plus 110. Adding it to my cart there hasn't been a hole-in-one recorded at this event at Spyglass or Pebble since 2016. With only 80 golfers in the field this year, there will be even fewer opportunities, so somewhat of a handicap. Some people started tweeting at him that his info is incorrect. He acknowledged that. Looks like I got bad info. Justin Rose recorded one at spyglass in 2023. That's on me for assuming the official events media guide would be accurate you know, listen, the pga tour, those lazy fucks. 

01:16:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Their presentation on everything is so bad to know that they've just been copying, pasting eight-year-old media guides and ian got dirtied by it. What well? I don't think that's like the cap, but you would expect. If anywhere is going to have the accurate information, it's the goddamn official stuff. 

01:16:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, 100%, Dude. There's nothing more frustrating than seeking out a stat and it just being wrong. 

01:16:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The PGA Tour is known for being difficult for having the official. If you're betting a tournament, you want the official scorecard. Is it playing as a 72 or a 71? What's the official yardage on the card? It's not like they are known. You almost have to triple check it because they're not very accurate on the official site. 

01:17:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, knowing the information afterwards, he doubled down on it still being a good bet. The Degenerate said this feels like when you watch a football game and they show the kickers 15 of 15 on field goals of 50 plus, and then he misses. For that reason, I'm fading, respectfully, of course, add yes, holding one to my card. I feel I I don't know like I don't know if there's data to support this, but I've had a twitter account, I think since like 2010. I've tweeted many things. I feel like the picks that I've gone in hard on and I always tell people like this is actually a great, I subjectively just feel like they lose, like the universe is trying to tell me like you're a fucking idiot, don't do this stuff, but you wear those losses harder because of a stupid tweet. 

01:17:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, they're more. 

01:17:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You just hurt them. 

01:17:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They is harder because of a stupid tweet you just heard bad. They're more memorable where you wear them and you know how this is. Even like rob you, you are very respectful and you rep. You approach it in responsible gaming. Even the most muck, muck, fucking phony cappers when they put something out there that have like a following. When they put something out there it goes wrong like guarantee they're getting they're getting death threats. Yeah, maybe like death threats is a stretch, but even the generic golden boy did like when they get it wrong on a night. Those people, those comments are probably atrocious. 

01:18:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So I can imagine when you're trying to do a good, but no, doesn't work like that, so, as you can imagine well, hey, in regards to this, what do you think the graphic said when the guy was 14 to 14 on field goals, like graphic said the same. 

01:18:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's not the graphic I don't need the graphic is one thing. It's when the announcer says it. 

01:18:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what we hate. 

01:18:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, the announcer mush they'll say it before the 15 to 15, they'll say he's 14 to 14 chris collinsworth, I gotta say, is famous for this stuff collinsworth is the guy. 

01:18:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But now they play both sides because they're like now you know it's gonna miss jim. Yeah, they do exactly they do. 

01:19:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They know what they're doing. 

01:19:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Now that's announcers are they almost like nance, will give a like he's hit 10, he's hasn't missed inside eight feet all week and like after he says it, he's like I can't believe. I didn't want to say that they almost now it's part of the delivery of it. 

01:19:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So within two hours Rory hit a hole-in-one. Ian has to tweet did the hole-in-one bet lose less than two hours into the tournament? Yes, do I think it was a good bet at plus 110 odds? Yes, does it being a good bet matter at this point? No, he got roasted in his messages. Uh, one guy said lol. This guy's reputation, if he had any, is gone. The thesis for your bet was based on information you later admitted was inaccurate. Yet here you are doubling down after the bet lost in the first few hours of the tourney. If it's okay to admit you were wrong once in a while on the internet, that's the big mistake I think that's a good tweet and the reputation one is a terrible well, the reputation 

01:19:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
is a joke. Come on plus 110. Who gives a shit? 

01:19:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
also like let's be, it lost, the bet lost and you're judged on your wins and losses. He did bet it at plus 110 and it closed at minus 125. I messaged rufus on the side and said do you price this, what's? He said I don't price this, so I can't tell you. But generally speaking, when we make a bet at plus 110 and it closes minus 125, we're taking that more often than not. And then naturally shane lowry also hit an ace as well. On the seventh, I'm already dead. Stop salt in the wound. I think the ultimate. You know, at the end of the day, when this kind of this stuff is inevitable. If you give out picks, you're gonna have losing ones, but when you don't, the about like was it a good bet? Yes is unnecessary. It is only going to turn people against. 

01:20:40 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Even if it's true, it just makes you look worse. Exactly Bad optics. Yes. 

01:20:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not anti-sharp, but I feel like that is what. When I used to get like really annoyed at Rufus, it was like that exact sort of thing, yes, like that it was exactly it. 

01:20:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I bet this guy minus 2,400 not to make the cut or whatever, and he did, but it was a great bet. It should have been this price. 

01:21:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Well, no, he doesn't usually do that with those sorts of bets, with those bets where it's like the insane risk. I actually give him credit because he's very like transparent about that and he was even part of an article, I think, on the somewhere last year where, like he fully acknowledged, like these bets are not for, like the amount of liquid you have to be sitting on to make those bets, it's just like not for everyone. He could understand why someone would make that bet and be throwing up staring at their phone from Thursday on. Yeah, it's more of like just like the standard regular bet, but I didn't mean to do that. I like Rufus, I get it. 

01:21:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've done it In. 

01:21:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Super Bowl week, Rufus is probably going to win like $3 million. 

01:21:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Two years ago, jacob was watching the Super Bowl with me at my house, my infamous Bitcoin basement I gave out. I talked about how it was such a great bet it wasn't just me, by the way, yeah, it was a hammer team, it was Zach, jason Moreto, and we're sitting there and I had talked all week about how this was on pinnacle at the time. No field goal, field goal, not any kick. No field goal to hit an upright was like minus 360 okay it ended up closing like minus 627 or something like that. 

01:22:20
I talked about it ad nauseum and naturally it was jake elliott that uh I think it was even bigger juice than that, but anyways no, it was roughly that, but I I then did the same spiel afterwards like it was a great, a great bet. But sometimes you just got to understand that the people don't care. 

01:22:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No one wears. Ian is usually really good at wearing it, so he's good. 

01:22:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's a good person yeah, so I don't yes. 

01:22:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't. Yeah, he'll be back in the batter's box this fucking week, ian's great like that I would argue that is probably good for his brand. 

01:22:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
honestly. 

01:22:54
The guys like you lost your reputation. No, it just drew more visibility. Us even talking about it draws even more visibility. We do have the Super Bowl coming up this week. As a reminder, we have another YouTube channel dedicated to NFL content. It's called Forward Progress. On Wednesday, starting at noon Eastern time, we're running a five live Superbowl props show 30 guests, each of them giving out their favorite prop bet for the Superbowl set notifications. That's over on forward progress. Make sure you're subbed there as well If you do enjoy NFL betting content. 

01:23:29
George Riley Panagakis, grp, loves to bet the Superbowl. He's been putting together a portfolio for months and he's acknowledged it by writing them down into his notebook and talking about them every single day, as he likes to do. I got to tell you it's getting absurd now what this guy is betting for the Super Bowls. This tweet. I audibly laughed out loud for a while. I may have even teared up at this tweet. Two athletic quarterbacks they might catch their own blocked pass question mark and he adds to his notebook any player completes a pass to themselves at 100, at 75 to 1 um. This was in addition to him betting like offensive linemen to win super bowl mvp um. He had another one this week. Here, jacob, on the next slide, oh how'd that get in there? 

01:24:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Come on, people are trying to eat their lunch. Okay, come on. Who did that? 

01:24:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Just placed a bet with. 

01:24:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Circa Will Carson. 

01:24:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wentz, play at least one snap as backup quarterback for Mahomes, I will pop so fucking hard. 

01:24:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
if Mahomes has to take a breather and Wentz gets in there, I'll be so happy for George, or like Carson Wentz, comes in and kneel out the game. 

01:24:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not saying it's a good bet, this guy's not acknowledged of what the prices are on any of these bets. Okay. 

01:24:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I would just Are you finished? 

01:24:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think he said I may be imagining this, but I believe that he has said before that if one of these bets hits, he's going to be famous. Okay, I think that's the motivation for these bets he has told me a slightly different variation of the same thing. 

01:25:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But first, going back to the first page, I gotta say I don't even think the um, this pet this. It's catch your own pass. I think there's four worst bets on the page. Like I, I think zach johnson's the worst bet. Zach johnson to win the master is missing three zeros. I think pen a sewell to win mvp that's insane. 

01:25:36
And our life has an offensive line like no, he could be great, like I'm not disputing that. So there are way worse bets, I believe, significantly worse bets, on this page. As bad as that bet, as bad as that bet is. But to rob's second point, as george as I remember it, or how he has told me, as when he bragged in a tweet about to me about this jalen carter, 400 to 1 mvp, he goes. If it wins, they won't be allowed to make fun of me anymore. 

01:26:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
So it's like my my point that I was going to say, which is just now so confirmed by what both of you have said, is these bets make me sick, because GRP two years ago was like a rec plus. Maybe betting like negative 2%, like eating a little bit into the vig on like win total future and he's good on sides well. 

01:26:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. I don't know he had a good record on sides. 

01:26:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I wouldn't be so methodical about like when he plays a side that when he plays it I almost give it like a modicum of respect. 

01:26:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean you'd much rather book his sides than tail his sides. But he doesn't even play them. He plays like 10 a year we can't judge his sides yeah, I know he had a good record this year. 

01:27:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He used to play decent bets for not that much money that were season long. Now he bets this just for fame and for yeah, I guess. 

01:27:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So people don't make fun of him anymore, this guy put $100 down on a player to catch a pass to themselves. Yet he gave his mother $40 worth of lottery tickets for Christmas. But this is our fault. 

01:27:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
We have led George to this as a collective, not us. 

01:27:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You think we led you think as a collective we led him into the bushes to board flip for snakes? 

01:27:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know I don't think so remember that era of george no, where he was like into nature and he would. 

01:27:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Just that was a metaphor. 

01:27:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, no no, he, no, he was literally. I figured that one out myself. 

01:27:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, no. He would go into the woods and he would throw wooden boards down and he would go check them the next day because apparently that's Snakes Snakes. He wanted to see some snakes and he would lift them up and be like I take notice. 

01:28:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay, so you're saying it's because we put some air in his tires? 

01:28:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, yes, that he has now turned into this. I definitely see that he, to me, is definitely someone who craves attention. 

01:28:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah because he's been on your channel twice or once and in his Twitter bio it says, as featured on like the Hammer Forward Progress. 

01:28:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He came on one Forward Progress live watch-along and he also did the Super Bowl best bet show last year, the prop show. I don't believe he's been scheduled for this year. I don't know the exact guest list. 

01:28:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're not in charge of booking. 

01:28:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No Moreto's booked that show. People give out Moreto, but what I will say about him is that I've completely lost my train of thought now and I'm just stalling GRP. I'm lost. 

01:28:51 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Okay. 

01:28:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm lost. 

01:28:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
My only other point, now that I'm thinking about it a 10,000 to 1 upset that GRP hasn't been on the spaces. Do you think he doesn't know what a space is? No, because he's done them with real fats before. 

01:29:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, he's done them with fats before. 

01:29:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
To me, this is GRP's, like his Super Bowl with bats before to me. 

01:29:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is grp's like this is super bowl. It's true, I'm shocked he has not been on a space 100. What I will say is that that those appearances he's messaged me like a dozen times the clips, since then he wants to send. 

01:29:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's like why did? 

01:29:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you take down my? Why did you take down my episode, I'm like, of circles off. It's like we we never had you on circles off, like you've never been on circles off. He like where's my clip? If I go through my Twitter DMs with him, it's just me sending him the same link. I'm like scroll up man. But why would you want that? It's an appearance from a live watch along of a football game from two seasons ago. What are you doing with that? 

01:29:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He's sending it to someone else. 

01:29:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean it's insane Created a monster. 

01:29:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Okay. 

01:29:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If Mahomes has a ball batted at the line of scrimmage, you know what these guys are trained to do, by the way as well Not catch it. 

01:30:02 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
They're trained to knock it down, knock it down. 

01:30:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can't wait for him to catch a ball in the Super Bowl though Mahomes, it'll be epic. One of our earliest episodes of Circle Back, we talked a little bit about Kevin Durant and his propensity to go after people go after bettors, because listen the betting space. Nowadays people are tweeting at athletes. All the time you see a court side at games, people are yelling at guys like I need you to get this many rebounds. It's kind of insane yelling at guys like I need you to get this many rebounds, it's kind of insane. Um, my opinion at the time was that it's kind of like athletes should just avoid this at all costs. That was all changed this week when I saw kevin durant respond to this star 1120 on twitter. It's a reason why I never bet on your bitch ass at kd tray five. Kevin durant says brokey, you'll be, I, you won't miss that little four dollars you lost tonight. And then star says so we got to be broke because you're inconsistent. Shut your old ass up, clown. 

01:31:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Just retire already sorry, kevin durant, uh is far from it. So we we did on the on the nba show, we do at the hammer the board YouTube channel. One of our bets featured Kevin Durant 20 plus points which he had hit. Not that this was part of the handicap, it was just he had hit 30 games in a row 20 plus points and he didn't in this game. So inconsistent is something that Kevin Durant absolutely is not. 

01:31:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So he says we I'm talking to you, Nobody else. Stop betting, you aren't good enough. Great. 

01:31:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Brokey, brokey crushes it. The last tweet crushes it, durant, like you say, like sometimes you just wish you wouldn't tweet, but I got to give him the flowers here. 

01:31:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've done a complete one aid and listen as bettors in life You're going to add a player. 

01:31:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're a psychopath. Yes, yes, the lowest like four it's absurd. 

01:31:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you want to yell, you are fucking a pathetic human being. 

01:31:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's one thing, even if you yell at a player without tweeting them, I think it's pretty like low grade. Yes, you're probably betting too much than you should, but to at them is a level of it's a transfer of blame. 

01:32:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're making the bet yourself. It is on you. You're handicapping what is going to happen if it doesn't go the way you thought it was going to go. That's on you for placing that bet. It's not the player. It's not the player's fault. Obviously they're contributing. That's the lamest. I hate that. It drives me crazy, but I will say I am now. I'm flipping, I now embrace this. I want to see athletes chum it up with average fans and and do you aren't good, good enough at betting? I love that. 

01:32:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I love that from kd broke bitch yeah, exactly to me also the we question mark. Question mark's really funny, like we're not broke, you're fucking proud. Yeah, but the only thing I disagree with is like I don't I'm not flipping on kevin durant. I think like he just has a 50 hit rate of really funny tweets and then 50 you're like put the phone away. The real cringe. 

01:32:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Stuff with durant is, like all the people who've uncovered his burners, over the years right like he's not even good enough to hide his burn. 

01:33:05
That's like sad, but those types of responses, absolutely fantastic. I'm all for it. And you know you react to new information in life. Something new comes in. Is that something new? Completely flipped my opinion. 

01:33:20
Finally, this is kind of a weird subject, but it was very noteworthy this week, which was Justin Tucker allegedly engaging in some, uh, bad behavior with massage therapists over the course of the year. Now, what I found interesting about this entire thing was that this starts to come out publicly. Justin tucker issues a statement saying this is unequivocally false, but there's so many old tweets from like 2021 2022 that just get retweeted like this jay wick. One fun fact justin tucker ejaculates prematurely and is banned from multiple salons in baltimore. I did not realize that was 2021 yes, 2021, and kanish, he says this very succinctly. 

01:34:08
It's legitimately insane how nondescript twitter accounts have surfaced with like 200 followers that tweeted some form of that old creep, justin tucker's band from every massage parlor in baltimore between three to seven years ago. It's like the entire town knew and like I was thinking about that afterwards and like there are so many of these accounts that were tweeting about this years ago. Why why does it just get dismissed at that time, like how did it only come out now? How did it only, how did it make it till now, before it came out? 

01:34:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
because I guess it takes someone that like the newspaper to want to do it yeah, like it takes someone to see the underground stuff and then for them to want to follow up on it. 

01:34:51
Like you said, there are so many tweets that are like timestamped, that just indicate how true this story is, and my funny comparison, though totally unrelated, was to the big cat stuff. Yeah, because literally you go look at any tweet big Cat's had in the last five years. There is a swarm of comments that be like you're a fraud from Massachusetts. It was like the most known thing on the internet. 

01:35:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But it never blown up. 

01:35:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it never blown up, it never became a thing, but it seemed like everyone in the know absolutely knew. And that's what I thought about when I saw all of these twitter accounts with proof of or corroborating the tucker story from years back. 

01:35:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I gotta tell you, I'll just never get it. Man like justin tucker is a very highly paid kicker. There are so many options you got a dark passenger, I know and it's hard for me to put myself into that position because I I don't have. 

01:35:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And I have a buddy who likes these sorts of things and he's open about it because he tweets about it. I'll just shout him out Kenny Kim. 

01:35:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I love Kenny Kim. 

01:35:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, he's wild. He sent out this tweet like pretty much calling Justin Tucker to the carpet on like the etiquette of the salon. Yeah, yeah, and the more depraved you are, like I don't care how much money you are. If you're a depraved, sick fuck you've got to go to these scuzzy places. Sure, 100%, you're not welcome in the like nicer establishments. 

01:36:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you don't go to your massage therapist and you know like reveal yourself and tell them to touch it. 

01:36:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like that's not the avenue for you. Touch it like that. 

01:36:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's not like everyone into these massage parlor scene like these are. These are 101, rules, 100. But at those parlors in particular I'm not speaking from experience, but at those parlors that's it's an accepted behavior. You know what you're getting into beforehand when you're going to like a regular massage therapist and exposing yourself and like that's what I don't understand you might have like this do you think he's a raven next year? 

01:36:55
that's a good question. I doubt it. He was also. I don't think, so he didn't have a good year. Yeah, I think this is. 

01:36:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is I mean, once it like comes down, there's a tail, and then they're gonna have like over a handful of women. 

01:37:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's there's also gonna be very hard to give them the benefit of the doubt, considering they're massive and you're not QB1, you're a kicker. 

01:37:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Deshaun was QB1. 

01:37:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's a $250 million player. That's a different story. 

01:37:19 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Even after someone was willing to give him that I did like the tweets of the Cleveland Browns have traded for Justin Tucker and given him a $200 million contract. 

01:37:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's so many pictures that have surfaced of Tucker shaking Deshaun Watson's hand and stuff like that Winning tweet by the whole. 

01:37:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It seemed like the entire and hey, listen, they kept it. The guy was delivering for the team. You ask me why it didn't come out. Maybe it just took the bad year. 

01:37:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Guy delivered A fantastic point. He always fucking delivered for them. That is a fucking delivered for them that is a fucking, really good point. 

01:37:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Who's going to railroad the fucking? 

01:37:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
football. That is a really really good point. 

01:37:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is a great point. 

01:37:53 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You can keep that under wraps when the player never misses a fucking field goal, but all of a sudden he stinks and it starts to come. 

01:38:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's pretty sad that it could be the case. Horrible. 

01:38:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Disgusting. No doubt that it's sad. We're just talking in reality and like the editor who sat on the story. 

01:38:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If someone was sitting on the story not letting the reporter work the story, then that person should be fired. 

01:38:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, If like, because there's like a hardcore Ravens fan and they're like hey, listen, come on Like this is our best team in forever. 

01:38:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We're in our window. 

01:38:24 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This is our window. He missed another field goal. Our window. He missed another field goal. Start writing for a kicker. I, I don't know, no, I don't know, I don't know it's but it's a good theory. 

01:38:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, I like plausible. It's just it's so weird to me. It's not weird, I get it, but like yeah, how there's so many of these stories that come out of the woodwork nowadays and it's like, well, yeah, we actually knew about this back. 

01:38:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Everything is like the simpsons where they like. Had it in an episode 20 years ago, I know. It does seem like there are many stories where the breadcrumbs were all over the internet yep, all right, we'll end on that, but I don't like that? No, I'm just saying, like, who's gonna fund this tweet from 2021? Like, other than giggling at it, like what do you suppose? Well, exactly, if you see this in 21, you're laughing. You're like what the fuck is this guy? 

01:39:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
but then you, when you search it and you're like, wow, there's fucking like a lot of tweets about about inappropriate behavior and like massage, like. Then you're like, okay, maybe there's something here like that doesn't just happen, right, people just don't randomly start spamming tweets about your behavior at massage parlors and stuff like that. It's messed up. Hashtag circle back if you want to tag us in anything on twitter. You see something that you want us to incorporate into the show. We do that as much as possible. Use that hashtag circle back. Of course, leave us a comment down below. Those go a long way. 

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