00:00 - Flup (Host)
coming up on this edition of circle back the ostentatious gluttony of people in this country is insane, I mean, why do we need that many fucking tvs? 

00:11 - Alex Moretto (Host)
I mean seriously like you are, in the grand scheme of things, in that game ain't nobody and in that arena like fuck off I'm with sea buzz and jacob. 

00:20 - Flup (Host)
I mean I can be on the fuck man. What the fuck man. 

00:23 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
First I thought he was serious. I'm leaning towards this is a bit. I don't think so. No, way. 

00:29 - Alex Moretto (Host)
There's no way. 

00:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Let's say it's not a bit Flub has to retire. Don't think I've ever seen a worse NBA better. Disclaimer the content presented in this show is intended for entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed are those of the host and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of any individuals or organizations mentioned. Statements made about public figures or entities are based on publicly available information and are not intended to harm or defame any person or business. This show relies on fair use of social media posts, which are presented in good faith for the purpose of commentary and criticism. Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions. 

01:31
Circle back here on the circles off channel. It's part of the hammer betting network and it's presented, as always, by underdog. This is the show where we cover the latest and greatest stories from gambling twitter. Over the last few days, once again, we had some great stories, some new stories that have come up, some stories that have have extended into our Friday show. Here today We've got myself, jacob Germania, your host, as always, on the show. We have Jeff Nadeau in the top right corner of the screen. We have Chris Dierkus at Flop no Lie, bottom left, the one-time contest winner, as we see, our only contest winner here, but we also have a special guest today replacing Kanish, which means you're able to start on time. Today we have Alex Moreto joining us, director of content here at the Hammer, but also the host of our NHL content over at the Edgework channel. Moreto, how are you feeling ahead of this one? How do you feel stepping in for Kanish? 

02:18 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Yeah, I mean small shoes to fill, so I don't feel much pressure here. If I was stepping in for one of the other guys it might have been a little bit more pressure, but I feel okay. I hear Kanisha's away doing some investigative journalism against McDonald's. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's what I've heard. So far. 

02:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I can't wait to hear back from him and report on that. And a reminder for today's show as much as we have some great content coming to you guys of the show, we have an announcement coming up that you're going to want to hear. All right, guys, let's jump into the first topic on the show today. Uh, one coming from john merges in in the topic of wager talk and it all kind of stemmed from this original post here from uh tr handicap tracker at tr underscore tracker, and what this account does is they take the publicly displayed pics from creators, in this case for WagerTalk, and they track them to give a bit more transparency. I would say Doesn't seem to be anything malicious about this, just simply going through all of the pics here and showcasing how each of the people involved are doing wager talk. If you don't know a company that does sports betting content, they do videos, podcasts, educational stuff, give out picks and things of that nature. Here, as we can see from what we have on the post here, a fluctuation of results. Looks like about 40 or so of the creators are in the profit. 

03:40
But this wasn't really the story. The story started here from at merges john, who says before the nfl. I'll expose the story behind wager talk from its inception to its present day business strategy. Here's an article regarding Sean Alvarez, at smooth turn to handicapper slash killer. He served prison time for the man's death and he posted an article here. Prison time for the man's death and he posted an article here. Um again, by the way, just I'm reading off exactly what's being said here, uh, from from this post, and it showcases an article here where there was um, somebody was a pedestrian, was hit in a car accident and I guess john is alluding that it's somebody involved with wagerTalk. But it goes further. That post got a lot of impressions 151,000 views when I pulled it for the show today and then quote, tweeted by saying 17,000 impressions. Now, much more than that. 

04:34
I'm not surprised by people being interested in what my four years of research uncovered concerning WagerTalkcom. I've been contacted by former agents that got customers for Kelly in Vegas and her boyfriend Brett's illegal sportsbook operation and then he looped you in to do. He said personally I have a great relationship with Nadeau. That's why I want him to host spaces on July 20th. Many of you have never seen this interview with me and he had posted an interview, uh, with you and himself. So, nadeau, um, first of all, could you like shed some light on this situation and what's going on here? Do you have anything to share and also maybe discuss why the space is coming a month from now and not something that's more immediate? 

05:12 - Flup (Host)
Well, a couple of things here. There's obviously been a longstanding issue between him and Kelly in Vegas and Kelly in Vegas' boyfriend husband Brett I think it's his fiancé. I'll be real honest I never discussed the date with John. That date is a surprise to me. He had mentioned he wanted to do it. I told him I'm willing to do it. I will also make it clear if I did it with John, I would also have something with Kelly if she's willing to speak on it. I'm going to tell you right now my guess is this will never happen. Guess is this will never happen. 

05:43
The issue that John has here is, if I could say this eloquently, john has his own issues. In the past John was a bookmaker for the Chicago Outfit. Okay, very powerful people. Okay, it was bringing up people's past. I mean, if he's going to do it to others, he's got to do it to himself. 

06:04
I did admit that I will take a look at this and I will possibly host a space, but again, I need to look more deeper into it. He has a problem with Brett and with Kelly. Now he's also brought up illegal bookmaking. I have no idea if that's going on. My guess is it's not. We also, from what I understand, john has said some things that have been a little questionable in the past, that have also needed to be maybe looked into. My guess is this won't happen just because John legally won't be able to talk about it. I think there's going to be some slinging on both sides by both of these people, but other than that, I don't know that much about it. I think it's John's ax to grind and he's taken it a little far. 

06:43 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
You said legally he can't speak on it. Is there a lawsuit pending? 

06:47 - Flup (Host)
right now. No, I'm guessing at some point certain things are going to go on here, because I think you're bordering along the lines of kind of slanderous type discussion here, right, I think John has went a little far with it Now in terms of calling out people that are not winning money for a company. Yeah, a lot of those numbers are rough and when we look at the profit, 20% of those are under $1,000 profit for the whole year. So it's just most of the cappers have not been particularly profitable. Now, going into a legal I don't know anything about that, bringing up people's past 2011,. That's 14 years ago. While a very sad crime, crime, is it something we shouldn't give another person a chance for because of a mistake they made 14 years ago, especially with john, who has his own things that he's done? 

07:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
anything from you moreto you want to add on this. So what did you make of this when you first saw it? 

07:38 - Alex Moretto (Host)
yeah the the sean alvarez dui stuff. Uh, that kind of really rubbed me the wrong way. Like I hate when people do that shit and dredge up stuff like that just to try and make some like grand, blanket statement about a person's character, like what we know as in terms of like facts from that article I read that article quickly Like struck and killed a 71-year-old man who was a pedestrian and was jailed under the suspicion of a DUI. Like he stuck around at the scene. 

08:03 - Alex Moretto (Host)
He under the suspicion of a DUI. He stuck around at the scene. He admitted immediately that he was one driving the car. I don't know if charges were made in this, but nothing was said about what actually came of it or whatnot. 

08:15 - Alex Moretto (Host)
But regardless, it's a mistake that he meant to do. 

08:18 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Kind of bring that out now and drag it through the mud. He's pretty greasy. 

08:23 - Alex Moretto (Host)
That's obviously something he has to do. I'd imagine and hope that he has some remorse and did learn from it. But like to post it in this context, it's just kind of the nut load of me, uh, in terms of the wager talk stuff, honestly, like it's kind of hard to comment until we know what he's got on them. Um, I don't know what this kind of smoking gun is like. If it's just that they lose people a bunch of money and they're scammers, that's not going to change anything. So like I also to your to your thing. Uh, they do about the profit and in the, in the column there on the right column, like the wins and losses. It's a small sample size too. I would be obviously very, very willing to bet that there's a lot less green, uh, if we go back, like to use like a two-year sample as opposed to a six-month sample there I also will say in terms of there's no way I will host a space if it's just his opinion saying, well, they're an illegal bookmaker. 

09:10 - Flup (Host)
You need to give me some context, you need to give me some proof. Blanket statements like that, with no proof, I would never platform someone to do that. I'd never do it on my own show. I wouldn't do it on space Some would, but I won't. 

09:25 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
It's also. I think Nindu brought up a good point. The date was a surprise to him and I think he's right. There's likely that nothing's going to happen. This seems like let's post a date a month out, badmouth him I don't have to provide any proof and then, when the date comes clear, oh, he can say oh, me and Nindu had differences, I don't want to host it anymore. And he got all the slander out. It seems it's. I thought it was going to be something more, but after hearing the backstory it seems like this is just slander of people he doesn't like. Any personal vendettas and use. And also bring up the DUI 14 years ago is pretty gross. 

09:57 - Flup (Host)
And I will say I did express, like John, and I talked about this. I expressed him. Hey, if it's something you want, you know I can help, you know, if you want me to present it, I'll host a space. But I also did make it clear I'll hear their side of the story too. I'm not going to just have you on and you're going to just say what you want and they're not happy, because I have relationships with john, I have relationships with kelly. I I'm not going to just let people get bad mouthed here and and I want to do it because I feel personally I will give both of the sides the best possible scenario. Certain people will platform one and let them say whatever they want. They don't think about what are the other things that comes out of it. So I just kind of extended to John that I'd do it if he wanted me to, but he didn't tell me a date. I figured he wanted to do it that day or that week, I didn't know. It was a month out. 

10:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
People said in the replies too, too. It's like if you have something, like what's the point of waiting a month? Like if you actually had something, why would you not just go ahead and do something this week? 

10:54 - Flup (Host)
he claimed to me that he's had got a bunch going on in his personal life. He's traveling, stuff like that. 

10:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
So it's just like why, then why make this claim? 

11:04 - Flup (Host)
I have right now, probably because he had the ability to do it, because this tweet came out and he used it as a way to hey, I have much more behind this you know all right. 

11:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, I guess we'll just have to monitor the situation and wait and see if something bigger does come of it. But of course we'll see what wager talk has it says about this as well. I wonder if, do you guys think they'll even, like, make anything of this original post? Like, are they going to say anything about this? You're just going to let it go, essentially for now I mean nothing to respond to. 

11:34 - Alex Moretto (Host)
There hasn't even been an accusation made, like what are they even supposed to say? 

11:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
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12:46
Next up here we have a topic that was brought up by Mike Rass. Mike of Right Angle Sports at Mike R underscore. Rass, who posted this photo here, says will my children need therapy hanging with me down here Big night in the W? And it's a photo of what I assume is his basement set up for watching sports. On the left there is a monitor that is into the wall that has an odd screen. Then there are three sorry, four different big TVs mounted with two chairs underneath the middle TV. I'm trying to describe it for people listening in audio form. So there's three TVs side by side. Underneath the third one on the right, there is a TV underneath and underneath the middle TV there's two chairs pointing at the viewing area where there is a desk with a very wide monitor like that's probably more than two of my monitors wide, and then a laptop as well. So bedding set up there and a ton of viewing setup. 

13:43
Uh, this is from mike rass. Uh, again, of right angle. Sports does a lot of work in the betting space? Uh is. Is this what the ideal betting setup looks like? Like fluff. If you're doing live betting, is this anything like your setup? 

13:57 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
uh, less, less tvs and more monitors. Um, you want as money as much um monitors for to see the different odds. I I do like the tvs. It's good for sweating, but this is overkill. This is more enjoyable. You've made your bets experience and then maybe you want to. The one odd screen is like you see what's going? Uh, going on as the games are going on. But I would not be live betting in this setup. This is too many tvs. You need more monitors. You gotta gotta grind how about for you? 

14:27 - Alex Moretto (Host)
moretto do you, but you could use yourself working in something like this too many tvs maybe is a little bit of a a little bit of a stretch. I like the fact that there's only four because then, like I've seen people that have like the like not like you saw, rex used to post his a lot and he's got like the 12 tvs and stuff like that's just you can't even see what's happening on any of these tvs. So, like, the four is good because you get the good size of them. Uh, I like the. Uh, the elongated curved monitor. The curved monitor is a is a good hack there. That's a really good one. Um, yeah, I guess more screens would be would be good. Like fluff said for me, my big takeaway here was where's the chair? There's no way he sits in one of those like movie that is pretty weird seats the entire time, because I would destroy my back after 30 minutes of that. 

15:09
If he does not have an actual chair, and I don't see one that can fit in there, um man, how does he survive that? I'd be crippled. I would be crippled after a day of betting sitting in this setup. 

15:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
If that's the chair he sits in all day yeah, I mean, it looks like this is just his setup. This is where he would just work from as well. You're right, it's like the lounge chair, it's like a like a home theater sort of setup for the chairs, and he's sitting in that to work at his desk. 

15:37 - Alex Moretto (Host)
I also would not be able you got to sit up to like the very front of that chair and you got to also then lean forward the whole time. That is, that cannot be comfortable. There has to be a chair missing from this picture. I also don't understand the point of the chairs underneath the middle tv, um, and then the one, though again, it's a good, it's a really good setup. I'm not, I'm just trying to like, find some might be a standing desk too. The chair thing is it could be a standing desk. Maybe it does raise, that's true, uh, in which case that's even better for your back. So fair play to him. Um, the desk is also a bit messy. Could use a little bit of a clean. Probably could have cleaned it up before taking the picture and then you need some electrical work done. 

16:13
Here underneath the like. There's way too many cords. You got to get some electrical work done. Let's bury some of these underground. Or let's get like uh, let's get an outlet coming out of the ground where you can plug stuff into, as opposed to having that power bar there. That just, I mean you have your kids down there. That just seems a little bit dangerous. 

16:28 - Flup (Host)
Two things here. Okay, this is one thing that grinds my gears. The ostentatious gluttony of people in this country is insane. I mean, why do we need that many fucking TVs? I mean, seriously, you only have two eyes. No-transcript? Yeah, mike, they will. What do you expect them to come down and say, dad, what are all those numbers on the wall? What do those mean? Yeah, mike, your kids. In about five years they're going to have DraftKings accounts, they're going to have PPH accounts. I mean, they may need partnerships here soon. Um, yeah, what do you think I mean? 

17:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
so actually, uh, he did follow up on this, so he said his 13 year old uh child likes to be in there with him and does like fake betting and they track his fake bets, essentially oh, that's an. 

17:39 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I didn't I didn't read terrible, terrible you should not. 

17:42 - Alex Moretto (Host)
he's definitely going to have a PPH account very soon, but the 13-year-old barely loves watching the games there, loves being involved. 

17:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
The 8-year-old never goes down here and doesn't like being in that room. That's what was said. 

17:53 - Flup (Host)
I started betting when I was 9. I've said that many times, so I can't really talk. That said, my mother and father didn't sit me down in a room like that and teach me about what this means and what that means. No, the kid already has a pph. He has multiple ones. He's literally on twitter as a burner right now. I guarantee that, uh yeah mike, they need therapy let me. 

18:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Let me read exactly what what the reply said, just to make it a bit more clear. Um, it says have one child who would spend 14 hours down there with me if allowed during a day. He actively identifies injuries as they happen and turns up the volume for coaches halftime injuries. 

18:30
He's 13. I would absolutely take him as an intern over most college kids other than I hope he avoids gambling badly. So, especially with water rising on all of us. To attempt to illustrate how difficult this is and humble him, we created a Google doc where he places his picks on games pre-game. He's, he's currently. He currently is well ahead and this is failing spectacularly. He's gonna need the most therapy and he's gonna need the most therapy in the family. So he has tracked the. Apparently he's doing well. Uh, on the picks, he's not actually betting on them. Um, how about getting your kids started early in sports betting, though? 

19:06 - Flup (Host)
I actually, I actually respect this guy after hearing that, uh, he actually dm me. I didn't even see this on my, my other account. Uh, he got the block by me at one point, uh, and and I, I unblocked him I unblocked him over this behavior. Actually I like this guy, but no, it is he is. He is very much a part of problem gambling possibly on behalf of his children. They already need help. Mike, you should have already called the therapy. 

19:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, he's open about it. 

19:34 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I think the setup's pretty cool for sweating. I agree with the new a little bit too many TVs. But having a 13-year-old son do this is a very bad idea in my opinion. Wait until they're at least 21 when they can do it legally. I mean, come on, this seems ridiculous. I can't support this behavior. 

19:52 - Alex Moretto (Host)
I will say though Flop and to that point, like you said earlier too, you started betting when you were what? Nine? 

19:58
Yes, I started betting when I was in high school, like grade 10,. Grade 11 was when I really started betting. I didn't have anyone teaching me about it. I didn't have anything to learn from. If you're going to discover it anyways at a young age and realistically, whether this kid's down here or not, he knows what his dad does for a living he's going to be exposed to sports betting. He's going to be curious. He's probably going to start betting at a younger age. At least he's learning how to do so somewhat successfully. I had to learn myself. I lost a lot of money when I was in high school because I didn't know how to bet and no one taught me how to bet and I had to basically make those mistakes for myself. So like, if he's gonna discover it anyways which he probably will, based on what his dad does for a living, at least he's getting like a bit of a crash course and like how to do so successfully see, I I disagree with that because if you start out well, it can only go downhill, in my opinion. 

20:42 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
If you start out bad, like yourself, I think it's actually better, because it's a rude awakening, and it's better to go bust when you're like 18, 19, 20 and rather than figure it out when you're 40 and you have like a family and kids. That's a support on you but here's the problem. 

20:57 - Flup (Host)
Every kid wants to be like their father. Okay, that's just the truth and I think it in his case it's better for him, in a way, to kind of what you guys said to learn from him, as opposed to some of the leeches we deal with on a daily basis. I'd much rather have him in a guarded position dealing with what I'm telling him. You know, again, I don't. I would try to teach my kid you don't want to ever get involved with this. Go out and become a something else. Don't want to do this. But I guess you keep him kind of close. It's better than you know him learning the hard way I really said much on the setup here. 

21:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This is like an insane setup to me. I mean, alex is right, rose right about the, the desk and not having a chair. If it's a standing desk, then then it is what it is. But like I like the odd screen in the wall here, but like these tvs um, I guess they're mounts on the side, just fine, I don't know why this one is on its own, is on a stand like why are they all smaller than each other? 

21:52 - Alex Moretto (Host)
yeah, that's not on a stand. It's not on a stand. That's uh like a portable, that's like a fan. Oh, it's a fan, I didn't realize based on the picture the way it's, but it's not uh you're right on the stand yeah, okay, it, which I don't like it should be, I think, like matching corners. 

22:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Two chairs underneath the front TV makes no sense to me and for the amount of money that has gone into this setup. Why is there like a mini folding table here with a bunch of stuff scattered on it? I feel like the equipment here makes for a lot of potential for this setup, but it has execution is is a bit poor as the big lines in the carpet guy. 

22:32 - Flup (Host)
I do respect that. Shout out to him. It likes like vacuumed a little bit beforehand. Uh, nice energy. But yeah, moreno makes a great point that chairs or not lack of chair setup is rough, that that that has to be a setup because he to put the chair in it. I mean, yeah, that's Mike, or yeah, mike, you gotta, you gotta, fix that. 

22:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Please send us a photo showcasing what you would be looking like in that chair while you're working. Are you on the edge? Are you standing? I would love to have some more information. 

23:04 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
That could change the opinions of several people absolutely. 

23:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Uh, all right. Next topic up here uh, it has hit a second week of this story. Uh, I am not going to read this full tweet. It is an entire slide of text. This is one tweet by the real fats at real underscore facts prominent men. Member of the sports betting space. As I said, this was a topic on the chopping block last week, but just to recap for anybody who missed it uh, this whole saga started when fats was in the drive-thru at a mcdonald's. 

23:36
No other cars were in the drive-thru and the food was going to take a bit longer than they anticipated, so they asked him to pull into a designated parking spot outside of the drive-thru. I mean, I don't know. Like I said, sometimes that parking spot is within the drive-thru, sometimes in the parking lot. Whatever it was, it'll take an extra few minutes and somebody will bring the food out to the car in that parking spot. Fats was very upset to have to do this because there was no other cars in the drive-thru. Therefore, he could have just waited at the window for the food to be ready, and as much as it's something that could, like I guess, be a little annoying, maybe cause you to make a single post on Twitter. 

24:19
He has wrote like a new novel every day on this whole thing. He has, like he's talks. He's tagged at SEC government. He's tagged the president, donald Trump, and he wrote out something that Donald Trump himself should send over to McDonald's via an executive order. Like he wrote this out by executive order. Via an executive order. Like he wrote this out by executive order, I, donald J Trump, make it illegal for a McDonald's restaurant to ask a patron to pull away from the pickup window to wait in a designated area for their order when there are no other cars in the drive-thru line behind them. I mean, this is just absolutely insane. Mcdonald's reached out for like more information originally. I don't know what he really wants from this. Like McDonald's reached out for like more information originally. I don't. I don't know what he really wants from this. Like McDonald's. What's going on here? 

25:10 - Flup (Host)
he wants a call with the CEO of McDonald's. That's what he wants, a thousand percent. This is the most pathetic storyline this genre has had in a long time and remember we are dealing with, as I said, some of the biggest leeches, desperate for content, motherfuckers on the planet, and I didn't say fats falls into that category. 

25:32
This is it's, it's pathetic. Hey, fats, you ever think about the fact and I said this to you and I'll say it to you again you ever think about. The world doesn't fucking revolve around you, fats number one. I don't know if you realize this, but just because there's no cars in the drive-th, world doesn't fucking revolve around you, fats Number one. I don't know if you realize this, but just because there's no cars in the drive-thru doesn't mean one won't pull up. 

25:49
And yeah, you might not get your goddamn burger in 30 seconds because maybe there's DoorDash, new Breeds and Grubhub and all these other things they have to worry about on top of your order. Throw in the fact that they have people inside that they have to deal with. Throw in the fact that they've got catering orders. They've got all sorts of other things. And I hate to do this, but I'm going to Think about Fats, the country we live in, the things we're awarded here. For once, just think of someone. Your problems are not as big as I mean. Seriously, this is what you're worried about, fats. With all the things going on in your life, this is what you're concerned with. 

26:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I think it's order food and get it within a fucking minute I think it's like to, to be like annoyed to have to do this. I think is is fine, but to go to this length of it, that, that is that's where I have the bigger issue. Um, what do you made of this? You've been following it, I'm sure first I thought he was serious. 

26:45 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I'm leaning towards this is a bit I don't think so. 

26:49 - Alex Moretto (Host)
No way, there's no way. This is too bad, not a bit let's say it's not a bit. 

26:54 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
The dude has cancer. Like can we just leave him alone? Like this is a dear issue to himself. 

26:59 - Flup (Host)
My father had cancer. My father had cancer as well. If he came to me and this is what he was worried about, I mean, come on man, seriously, you don't have bigger problems than this. 

27:10 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I understand, I understand it seems it seems pathetic and I find it pretty funny and it's cringy, but I mean he's not really harming anyone. I mean this is an issue that's dear to him. I it's hard for me to hate on this. I understand it looks pathetic and there's bigger issues, but I find it funny and I don't know, it's very funny. 

27:32
Let the man be. I'm enjoying watching from the sidelines. I do enjoy McDonald's. I go there from time to time. I'll continue to go. I'm not going to boycott McDonald's because of this, but I find it funny. It's a little sad and cringy, but that's part of what makes it funny. 

27:49 - Alex Moretto (Host)
It's really sad. It is really sad. I don't get the like entertainment of it at all, like after one post maybe, but like the thing is like Jacob you even said it's like a minor annoyance, like you know what I mean Like whatever I get, being a little annoyed by it. It's not even annoying. 

28:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I don't get what's barely that you're literally sitting in your car. 

28:08 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Still, you're driving an extra 20 feet and you're waiting for your food. They're gonna bring it to you when it's ready, no matter what. Who cares if they bring it to you in that parking spot or where you are exactly at that exact moment. Like, it doesn't make a difference. There's not, in terms of like on like, a scale of zero to ten. On like the, how much does this matter? 

28:24 - Flup (Host)
it is a legitimate zero like and also remember and also remember if they said hey, fats, uh, you have to turn your car off and can't sit in your air-conditioned car. I can maybe understand. Okay, fine, who are you going to tell me to turn my car off? By the way, fats, why are you eating this type of food? It's incredibly bad for you. 

28:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's the worst food on the planet hey, everyone can enjoy mcdonald's from time to time. It's terrible, he said he doesn't go very often. To be fair, he's also in the car with his wife. 

28:55 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Like you're spending some quality time with your wife, it's not like you're racing home you need to get home, like you're already, with your wife who cares, like it's not even taking extra time. Either way, it's not about the time thing. 

29:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's not about the time thing for him, it's the fact that he couldn't just wait at the window. That's the problem. It's not like a time thing, it's not like he was in a hurry, it was just why does he? Have to drive up. 

29:21 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I think the new brought out the best point, which is there could be door dash and overeats and that's why and another car could come up so well, even though it seems as useless to have to pull forward. I understand where, like I understand why they would have that policy there also maybe it's just protocol and it's not the workers that created the protocol. 

29:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Sorry, maybe it's not even quite protocol. So what it is very likely is McDonald's. They have automated stat tracking of how fast they service people in the drive through. Therefore, somebody's at the window for a longer period of time, it will affect their basically the average wait time, which will reflect poorly on them to which will reflect poorly on them to higher ups within the company. So it's likely they're doing this because it makes the stats look worse if he were to just sit at the window for the entire time. 

30:14 - Flup (Host)
But remember, fats doesn't care about the little worker, it's all about how quick he can get his goddamn burger. That doesn't mean anything to him. He doesn't care about that, jacob. That would be fair and we would understand that he doesn't get it him. He doesn't care about that, jacob. That would be fair and we would understand that he doesn't get it. It's only about what he wants and what he gets. Now, I do respect I will say the whole stuff with some of these people on Twitter that he has issues with. I respect it, but I think he's just being a dick honestly. 

30:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Just the extent of it, I can't believe. 

30:42 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Calling for a nationwide boycott of McDonald's and tagging Donald Trump is fucking clinically insane. Like who do you think you are? You're not like Kim Kardashian. Like, what sort of influence do you think you have If every single person who follows him and every person who follows those people who follow him boycotted McDonald's because of this? They wouldn't even notice, it wouldn't even matter. Like it's so delusional to even put that out there and call for that. Like it's insane. 

31:13 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Well, alex, how arrogant are you that you think Fats doesn't have the influence to affect McDonald's share price. I do agree that part is a little ludicrous. It makes me think this is a bit, because I mean he can't seriously think a boycott's going to affect mcdonald's? 

31:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I would uh love to hear it I'd love to hear the comments if people think this is a bit or not. 

31:32 - Flup (Host)
I don't think it's the worst bit, it's the worst bit if it's a bit no the only thing this bit does is make people think you are mentally unwell it does have small tinges of the elf school of engagement in terms of length of tweet, like consistent badgering, like profiled accounts, like the only thing I noticed he didn't do is he didn't. Uh, I don't know. If he added donald trump, he should have did that. Uh, that would have maybe helped. 

31:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He did oh, he did oh he did okay and he also asked for the. 

32:04 - Alex Moretto (Host)
He also asked if. Who was that? I can't remember who he said, but like the chief finance officer, like he asked, if, like certain people, like in Donald Trump's cabinet, wanted to send him their direct lines. 

32:17 - Flup (Host)
Why not just go in and ask to speak to the franchise owner? They're always listed. Why not just try to call him directly and be like? 

32:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
hey, I guess it would be. 

32:25 - Alex Moretto (Host)
He does not want to get out of his car. 

32:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Maybe it's because this is a bit and he's joking, and he's doing this for engagement, I mean come on guys I, I don't think, I, I really don't think so, I don't know it's, it's, I don't, I don't know well enough, I feel like, like, how unfulfilled do you have to be by your life to put this much time and energy into something like this? 

32:45 - Alex Moretto (Host)
like I actually don't understand that. It's not like you're just tweeting about it a little bit here and there. You are writing legitimate novels. He's making, like AI, images of people protesting outside of McDonald's. He's putting legitimate time and effort into this. 

32:58 - Flup (Host)
No, this is one thing, that no. This is why Flop might be right in terms of a bit. I don't know if you guys noticed, but he didn't spend nearly 10% of this time arguing with UnitedHealthcare, who he's dealing with with his cancer treatments. They screwed him out of something, yeah he did. 

33:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He did one long post, which was it brought some very good attention to the situation. You're right. If he's going to dedicate this much time to a battle with a mega conglomerate of a corporation, it should probably be with united healthcare rather than engagement. 

33:31 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Yeah, and honestly, it's working. We're talking about him on this show. People are angry with him. I think he's doing an excellent job. 

33:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
There are a lot of people who agree with him. Again, I'm not saying Look, if you think it's dumb that you have to pull up to the parking spot where there's nobody in line, that's fine. But to make it a huge deal for this many days in a row is just utterly ridiculous. I wanted to also highlight this from the Tuesday show. Jeff Feinberg said can I donate 20K worth of points to you McDonald's points from the app? Will that make you stop? If anybody knows anything about McDonald's points? If you don't know, 24,000 points, you are an avid McDonald's enjoyer. Jeff has racked up some points here. Fat said if I wanted to be bought off with coupons and incentive, I could have supplied McDonald's with the personal info they asked me for. This is merely about them answering a simple question, which they already have acknowledged is an annoyance to their customers. Maybe they don't get the point and we need to do a wellness check on you. I don't really understand here, like they offered to like to take his feedback into consideration. I don't know what he's trying to accomplish. 

34:43 - Flup (Host)
He wants a meeting with the CEO. I'm telling you he wants engagement. 

34:47 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
This is such an obvious fit. Come on, guys, he cannot be serious. 

34:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I'm starting to believe that more and more. Think that's the problem? 

34:56 - Alex Moretto (Host)
um no, I would love. I have not eaten at mcdonald's, honestly, in like 10 plus years. Um, I would go to mcdonald's regularly again. If, out of all this, they banned fats. They just said fuck this guy we're done I would love that I would be all in on mcdonald's again. I'd have them cater my kid's birthday in a couple of weeks. 

35:14 - Flup (Host)
I'll actually do one better, I'll go there. I'll do one better I'll go there once a week, buy $250 worth of food and just give it out to people that are homeless. I'll actually do that too. So, mcdonald's, if you ban Steven Deano, aka the real fats, I will, I will commit to that for a year. 

35:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Wow, that's aka the real fats. I will, I will commit to that for a year. Wow, that's uh quite a promise. I I think in the end, mcdonald's won't do anything and they're just gonna keep the because. 

35:40 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Honestly, it doesn't matter. He doesn't have any real influence to do anything wait. 

35:44 - Flup (Host)
So, jacob, you don't think donald trump's gonna respond to this? 

35:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
you know donald trump the like very public mcdonald's enjoyer loves McDonald's. 

35:53
You think he is going to go out of his way to tarnish McDonald's? That's true. Good point. Also, like a major economic figure in the US. Like there's just no fucking way, obviously there's no way that Donald Trump was going to get involved. But like, also, if you know anything about Donald Trump, you know know he's obviously not going to do anything against mcdonald's here. Uh, as we wrap this up, just, uh, sorry, final one, you just send me this right. I I did see as well. Prop dude shared on may 30th that he had, uh, he had just muted the real at real fats right before this whole saga started to unfold, and he said talk about perfect market timing. 

36:31 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Uh, you're gonna add some of that yeah, that's what I was gonna add, that that is basically the best tweet that has come out of this entire thing. I thought that was really funny. Uh, it's a prop dude um, I like this. 

36:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I hope he keeps going, just for the entertainment of it. It's uh, I do find this funny, but I don't think we have anything more to say on this show here. Next topic here comes comes from at top down Teddy, who these are always piece of content. They'll drop engagement. So he said build your dream podcast for $15 in the $5 tier because we've audio listeners. I'll just, I'll do the whole thing for everybody. We have Rob Pizzola, we have Jeff Benson, we have a Rufus Peabody, we had Spanky, and then top down Teddy themselves. In the $4 tier we have Jeff Ma, matt Zilbert, elf Kirk Evans, grp, $3 tier, prop Dude Fezzik, mr Peanutbetter, hitman Chernoff, $2 tier. We have our very own Flup, our very own Knish Plus TV Analytics, right Angle Sports, taylor Mathis. Then $1 tier, we have c blaze nadu, uh, amanda vance, jeff feinberg and me. Um, the, do you upset to be in the one dollar tier? 

37:41 - Flup (Host)
I mean and I'm not being, I'm being 100 honest here. There's maybe one or two people in here with more influence on in content creation than me. I mean, what the fuck are we doing here with this? 

37:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I'm with cbuzz and jacob I mean I should be on the fuck man, I should be on the jacob, honestly answer this. 

38:01 - Flup (Host)
In that group of people other than maybe taylor, mathis and rufus, maybe frankie, like I, should be on the fucking ten dollar tier. What the hell is this For? 

38:10 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
a sports betting podcast. 

38:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
In terms of overall influence. I think you're tough. You're hard pressed to compete with the $5 tier. 

38:19 - Flup (Host)
I always flop on $2 and I'm on one. 

38:23 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I think this makes sense. Who's? 

38:25 - Flup (Host)
the guy in the white shirt with the white background? Who the hell even is that Prop dude? 

38:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Who even is that Prop dude? I'm not going gonna dox him on here, but yeah, I'm not gonna dox him, he's got 1640 followers. 

38:40 - Flup (Host)
Who the fuck is he? 

38:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
uh, it's a little more than me, at least. Uh, honestly, when I saw this post, I was pretty shocked when I saw myself actually on the list. So I'll, I'll take it. I've never been on one of these lists, so I'll, I'll take it. I move. 

38:55 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Jacob, I was. I was very happy to see you on there I was very the hammer is growing starting to get the record. Yeah, the people talk shit about this show and talk shit about circles. Awful, hey, I mean. 

39:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Look, the influence is obviously growing I think I was last on the list, like the last edition, so I want to know who was the the last cut? Who did I get in ahead of for this in? 

39:14 - Flup (Host)
terms of hosting, he is probably jacob, the best host on there, so I'd pick him. I'd pick him. Flop. Who's your list? 

39:22 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
make your list flop um, I, I mean, of the five dollars, I think it's rob. Maybe I'm a little biased because I think of the $4,. I'm a fan of Kirk, I would go with Kirk. $3, I would go with Peanut. $2, I would actually go with Kanish. I think he's hysterical, I think he does a better job than myself. And then of the $1, it's either Nadeau or Jacob, it depends. Is Rob going to host, then I would take Nadeau. If Rob is going to speak, then I would take him to do. If Rob is going to speak, then I would take Jacob to host. 

39:56 - Alex Moretto (Host)
So that's what I would do. I can't wait to see the comments next week and how the circles off bias you just showed in picking your list. I cannot wait to see how you get called in. 

40:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Let me give my very biased list. So I'm going with Rob, I'm going to pick my boss for sure. Imagine not picking my boss. I'll go either Kirk Evans or Jeff Ma at $4, but I'll be biased and pick Kirk Evans. Then here's where I go, a bit different. So if I'm taking from the $2 tier, if I'm going to take Flup, I would take Mr Peanut better for the balance of characters because you'll be a bit more serious and he'll be much less serious. But if I go condition a $2 tier, he'll be the unserious one that I would be able to pick, prop dude to go into $3 tier. And then obviously you got to pick yourself. So I'm going to pick myself. 

40:42 - Flup (Host)
I don't even need $15. No offense, that $3 tier is a nothing burger. There is nothing there. I have interest in Jimmy Benson Z. I have interest in Jimmy. Benson Zilbert. 

40:59 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Hannah Gackett, seabless, amanda Vance. Okay, I think the show's like the difference. I think the dues list is going to generate the most engagement by far, by far. But if you want actually like the highest quality content, I think Jacobs or myself is where you, where you go out, be honest. 

41:15 - Flup (Host)
Benson and c bloods going back and forth with amanda vance's. You know a couple of beers in, you got george trying to hit on amanda. 

41:23 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Does it have longevity, though I wouldn't even put that on benson, the misery of he would have to go through to do it every time. 

41:29 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I wouldn't even put that on him. No way you can't get benson to do that. He, no matter how much money, he wouldn't do it if it's like a one-off show. 

41:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I think that's a good for engaging, but can that, can that sustain, you know, like a 50 episode run? That'd be my question. I. 

41:45 - Alex Moretto (Host)
I mean, I'm just I'm sad I we got that was a great rant. They do. That was a great rant. I agree you should be higher on this list. That was fantastic taking shots at everyone. That was great, but I wish Kanish was on here for his rant too. Him to see himself in a tier lower than Fezzik and Hitman would have been unbelievable. So I'm upset about that. 

42:03
Hopefully we might have to bring this up again next week to just hear him cry about that. Also, Elf in the four dollar tier is insane zilbert's in the four dollars here. 

42:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
So the grp like what do we do at least? 

42:13 - Alex Moretto (Host)
zilbert and like grp are like funny and they offer some like humor like that's that's that is debatable and he doesn't have the sharp side of it like there's just, there's no, I don't know he should not be in the four dollars. For me he should be in the one dollar tier. 

42:27 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I don't want to stroke you too hard. I think ten10 is a bit extreme. It depends on what genre. If you're saying podcast in general, you're probably up in the $5 tier with everyone else. If it's sports betting, those other guys do have a little bit larger following. We're probably in the $4 tier. 

42:44 - Flup (Host)
Yeah, and that would be one thing I'd like to hear from the guy that created this. Is this, in terms of build your dream podcast, that's going to make the most money and get the most views and get the most engagement, or is it just hey, build your dream sports betting Like sharp? But if you listen to the end of the show, this will actually come full circle, weirdly enough, if you listen to the end of the show and what Fluff just said. So I'll explain that in just a second. 

43:09 - Alex Moretto (Host)
All right, good to do it. 

43:14 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Just to add one more thing the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

43:17 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Right like it, my list would change your dream podcast that day, right it's all your dream podcast, but also my dream podcast will change depending on what I'm in the mood to listen to. So, like, some days I want to listen to, like grp and benson go back and forth, some days you couldn't pay me to listen to that, right, like it's just, it all depends on your mood and whatever. So I think everyone's answer is obviously going to be different. 

43:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
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44:33
First comment comes from at jdw2592. We've had some others from this user feature before, since if the thunder lose flub has to retire. Don't think I've ever seen a worse nba, better flub. Uh, how's your nba season going, buddy? Honestly, it's actually pretty good. Uh, the where's your NBA? 

44:51 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
season going buddy. Honestly, it's actually pretty good. 

44:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Where is your documented? 

44:53 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
record. I don't have a publicly documented record so I could be talking out of my ass here, but I will admit of tweets I've posted publicly. I'm doing quite horrendous. Rockets lost, yes, cavs lost. I need OKC. That being said, okc was my biggest bet, so if they win, I'll have made back all the losses and I think he's got some good points here. If they lose, I probably should retire, because I suck at posting publicly. 

45:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Next one. This is about Nadeau. Tough one. Tough one to read here. Nadeau, it says from at TR Labs. Nadeau should stay on Elf Spaces. A person that delusional because he has lived in a bubble of people making him believe something he is not, just for the content has warped his reality of him. No accolades, no credibility, no actual experience just takes away credibility from this panel. Any response from you, nadeau. 

45:46 - Flup (Host)
Yeah, so number one, stupid. I've been on here for 15 years. I have literally more time on here than any of the people that have been on the show, maybe other than Pozzola. I put in my time and that anywhere have I ever come on here and said I was a sharp? I think we've actually made that clear like 7,000 times for any UP brain people that don't seem to understand it. I was added to the show because I bring people to watch it. This is a media company in the end. Stupid, it's not, for just sit here and talk about analytical numbers for 7,000 hours. I bring a lightheartedness. 

46:21
Nowhere have I ever said I had the accolades. What accolades are you talking about? Oh, the accolade where I made $100,000 in three minutes to fight. Did you see me fight? You mean those accolades Working for one of the biggest media companies, not once, but twice, and probably could go back for a third time if I wanted. Oh, you mean the fact accolade, wise, that I literally make a living off the internet and have done so for a decade. Those accolades, what the hell are you even talking about? And, by the way, I just wanted to thank you and the network. Thanks you. Thank you for watching, thank you for commenting and thank you for making the entire post about little old me who, with no accolades, Good response there. 

46:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Last comment comes from at danishroeder8368. Danishroeder, whatever it is, can we talk about the sneakers in Flop's office? We need a sneaker drop Flop. You said you are a sneaker head previously. We do see the Air Jordan 1 boxes in the background. You also shared this photo with me. I'll look into your betting setup. 

47:20 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
No, no, no, this is from college. This is five years ago. 

47:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I'm going to say you need a better fucking setup, man, yeah, no, no. This is from college. 

47:28 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Yeah, some of the Jordan 1s in display. This is not my entire collection. I've added about five more from this, but this is since I moved to New York. There's not enough space to post to have everything. When I move back I'll get, I'll bring those the full sneakers and I'll post it on Twitter, but until then, this is the best I can do. I didn't want to bust out all my boxes and dirty up the whole house so, and dirty up the whole house or apartment, rather. But I love Jordan 1s. I'm not like a true sneakerhead in terms of I care about the history behind every shoe. I just think the Jordan 1s are a sick shoe. I like to wear them, I like the way they look and I've been collecting them for the better part of seven years. 

48:09 - Flup (Host)
At this point, I have an idea for a new show Flo Me and you Sneaker sharps. Okay, we, we put out some sneakers that we like and then we put out some betting picks we like see, the problem is I only like the jordan ones, so you don't like okay, but I only like jordan 11s, so that's fair. 

48:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I was say, do you only have Jordan 1s? 

48:34 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Yes, I only have Jordan 1s. I guess I have the Air Force 1s and then I have some Kyrie 3s or 5s, I can't actually remember, but besides that, no, basically I have 15 or 16 Jordan 1s and then just the Air Force 1s. 

48:50 - Flup (Host)
Hey Moreto or Jacobob you ever hear my policy on air force ones? 

48:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
what's the policy? I never wear them more than twice you're like, uh, dr dre one and done they. The crease is insane that is true. 

49:06 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
The crease is very insane. 

49:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You know drawer ones. They've been insane. But sometimes the crease make. If it's like a good quality leather, the crease makes it look a bit nicer in a way and them crease guards. 

49:16 - Flup (Host)
They don't work. 

49:16 - Alex Moretto (Host)
No I've never worn a pair of jordans, air force ones, or any of these shoes you guys are talking about, in my entire life. I think I own like four pairs of shoes right now yeah, you're the. 

49:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You're the dad here, man. You're the boat. You got on the fucking sandals, man. 

49:30 - Alex Moretto (Host)
I pick up a couple pairs of sneakers and they last me for a while are these fragments in the middle flux? 

49:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
is that the the prize of the collection, would you say? 

49:41 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
no, um, my or no, wait, those, actually those were obsidians, sorry, not fragments. Um, okay, um, no, the prize is I. I did get some off-white UNC's during one, so that's the prize right now. I got it when I got a new job as a gift to myself, but you earned it. 

50:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You earned it, all right. Next topic here Blesbeth's, back on the show here, started a conversation when he said if the Pacers don't cover nine and a half tonight, I'll do whatever the top comment says. And we had Todd Rizzo at Wizard of Odds who says send everyone in this thread $2,000 in US currency and then proceeded to get blocked by Blesvets. So he said for real, but wasn't the only person to have this fate. We had Gambling Taylor King. Taylor Gang said to have this fate. We had gambling taylor king. Taylor gang said and um, underneath the same pose, he said have sex with a stripper from here, I know also like, liked his own fucking post, which I think is pretty lame, but also got blocked for this. I mean bles. If you're gonna ask for the comments, you can't get mad when you don't like the answers. What's going on here to do? 

50:56 - Flup (Host)
Well, here I'm at the point with Blaise where there's not much he can do wrong in my eyes. I think he's very funny. I think his like just everything he does and again I have reason to believe everything he does is engagement baiting he does a really good job. 

51:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This is a bit for sure. 

51:11 - Flup (Host)
Yeah, yeah he does. Is engagement baiting? He does a really good job. This is a bit for sure. Yeah, yeah, he just I think he takes from my school, where he gets under people's skin, to the level where he just does these things like I'm a big blocker and most of the things that I get comment for it blah. It's just he does a great job with it. Um, he is on the precipice of of of losing, which you got to feel. It's a little ragey from him. He's upset the Spearman Rhino thing. I would have switched to just a hooker. I think it would have been way more attainable for him and better. But yeah, this is a rough. I wouldn't block someone for this. This is a rough look for Blez. 

51:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I can't even defend it's just like why would he block over? Like a funny reply, I mean there was something he asked for right like yeah, it's helping his engagement. I I thought it was weird. What do you think moretto? 

51:59 - Alex Moretto (Host)
yeah, it's very obviously a bit. I mean like the fat stuff is not a bit. This is clearly. This is what a bit is. This is. This is a bit. You're drumming up engagement, like obviously he's not going to go through with that shit, and like you can get pissed off at him for like posting this with no intention to go through with what the top comment actually was, and that's why he's blocking guys so he doesn't have to do some of these things. Of course he's not going to do that stuff. Anyone who thought that he was going to do that when they were commenting is like also out of their minds for believing he's going to do that. He's just drumming up engagement. That's what he does. Well, um, zero intention to follow through, and I think, uh, anyone who expected that is, you know, learning the hard way also calling him. 

52:37 - Flup (Host)
It's weird. 

52:38
Yeah, it doesn't have to block them calling him trent's cousin's funny because I I consider blaze maybe you guys will agree. He is the prototypical little brother type where I said this before. He has to live in the shadow. His brother's like a really accomplished gambler, right Poker player, and you could tell he's always looking for like affirmation from people Like he's a good gambler too and like he kind of has always had a fight and he's clearly a little brother looking kind of guy. And now he's actually he almost looks like the cousin too of Trent, who he's trying to be like, but he's not quite, but he still wants to be regarded as sharp because of his brother he's in a tough spot, but I think he's funny. 

53:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, I've accepted it a bit. I like it, Go ahead. 

53:23 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Flo. First of all, fats is definitely a bit. This is also a bit, and I really like Blaze. At this point I wouldn't buy his picks and I don't recommend anyone do, but I think he's hysterical. I think he does a great job. I think you and I have had similar experiences. I don't know about you, but I found him very annoying in the beginning. Now I love him. I think he's hysterical. It's hard for me to hate on him. This is just excellent tweeting by him, great engagement baits. The blocking is a little weak, but but besides that, well done, seablood. 

53:53 - Flup (Host)
I will say Jacob one thing he does not get enough shit for he has done some pretty schemey shit with his winnable. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but he has MPB-level rules on his winnable where if you don't cancel, it buys a whole year, like it's pretty wild, like as a pick seller acting a horrible person as a engagement baiter, rage baiter, fantastic stuff like so calculated all the time. 

54:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Awesome stuff. I enjoy it, don't. I would not. I also not recommend that you purchase his picks. Agreed, uhed, all right. Last full topic here before we hit to the chopping block. We have at guy in cornfields, weston, supporter of the show who posted this Mount Rushmore of NBA courtside fans. It includes Jack Nicholson, it includes Jimmy Goldstein and then it seems like it was AI generated. Then he added on two of his picks, which were Spike Lee and Book it With Trent, who is the goat of NBA courtside fans. Who do we think? 

55:03 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Spike Lee has to be the goat. I mean, that guy is unbelievable. The other two, other than Trent, pretty solid as well, but Spike Lee is just. When I think Spike Lee, I think courtside Knicks. 

55:15 - Flup (Host)
I'll go with too. I'll go with the guy from Toronto Nav. 

55:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Bhatia. Yeah, Hall of Famer Nav Bhatia. 

55:23 - Flup (Host)
And I'll also go with Drake. I mean, drake is always at games as well. No, no, drake never goes anymore. 

55:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Okay, maybe I'm Now. Bautia has missed one home Raptors game his entire life because of COVID protocols. 

55:36 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Wait, wait, wait. I've seen him in. I'm not 100% sure. 

55:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I believe he has always sat courtside. 

55:44 - Flup (Host)
I've seen him in food. He goes to the Wii game. 

55:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He was at a Pacers game last week. He has sat I believe it's the same seat but he has been courtside of every single Raptors home game, except for one in history, because he was not allowed to attend because of COVID protocols. 

56:03 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
That is dedication. I didn't realize he was that insane. I thought he wasn't courtside, so my mistake there. But Spike Lee has also been doing it for like what? Yeah? 

56:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Spike Lee and Jack Nicholson, I think. 

56:15 - Flup (Host)
And Spike Lee is not a phony. He goes to every game. He doesn't go just when it's popular, like Chalamet or Ben. Strait Like Drake. Yeah, like if they're 19 and 42, he goes to a game against a fucking. You know random. You know jazz on a Tuesday, you know. 

56:32 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Spike Lee is the epitome of someone that deserves it, in my opinion. He was very successful in his career, made a lot of money and gets to enjoy it by doing something he loves, which is watching his favorite team courtside. How can you hate on him? Very great guy. 

56:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Same for Nav Bhatia. Came in as an immigrant, not a lot of money. Worked himself up in the car dealership business. Now he can afford to go to every game. 

56:56 - Flup (Host)
We also don't talk enough I know this is not a movie show but Spike Lee, very underrated in terms of his filmography, if you will. We don't talk enough about Spike, to be fair. 

57:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He's kind of like just known as a celebrity just for being famous, more so than being like a director at this point or like a, so he produced films anyways. Any courtside goats? 

57:19 - Alex Moretto (Host)
one of the best 30 for 30s too was the spike lee. Uh, winning time one with reggie miller, that was great. I'm pretty sure he might have like had a play in directing that too. Um, nba goats not really, I don't really follow the nba. Uh, as I've said before many times here, um, there were some like great hockey ones, that like will ferrell when he was at those kings games back in the day when they were making their runs. Vince vaughn for the blackhawks was great, uh. But like I wanted to talk about this for a second too, because trent chirping and like getting the warning, yeah, I think that's such loser behavior. Yeah, let me pull stand that. 

57:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Let me pull up the story here. So I think the reason guy in corner fields included trent here is because trent was courtside at a nba finals game and uh received a warning from the arena. He said, not even five minutes into the game james johnson, uh, one of the pacers players is a certified tattletale cry baby. Trent got a warning, essentially saying that if he continues to uh he was talking shit, apparently he continues to do so he'll be ejected from the arena. And he explained I was chirping the fuck out of halliburton during warm-ups. James johnson walked over and said I was a bitch. I said who the fuck are you bro? He told security something and then I was handed this. I mean, you know james johnson by name so you can't really say who the fuck are you bro because you literally named him. But you think this is loser behavior, moretto grow up. 

58:41 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Man, like who? Like? Who are you, trent? I like trent, I love trans content. I think it's really good at what he does. But like, know your place and know, like, the timing and who you can talk to and everything. Like you're not going to be sitting courtside talking shit to these guys when you're booking with Trent. Like you are, in the grand scheme of things, in that game, a nobody and in that arena like fuck off, like girl, what are you talking shit to these guys? For? These guys are here, they're in the NBA finals. Like these guys are the best at what they do and you're going to tell them they're a loser and you're a loser and you're a nobody. And you sound like come on, man, you're not like a 13 year old kid watching his favorite team play sports. 

59:18 - Flup (Host)
I actually I love Trent. I agree, though I did this and I've talked about it in the show. I was told by referees to shut up at times when I went to games and I sat there I didn't say courtside side. I got into a udonis haslam once on the miami heat bench, but I was 13, 14, 15 years old. You know I'm not. You know I agree. I also like I'm not big on like the whole, like outfit and stuff. Like just pretend you've been there before. You know spike lee ain't telling james johnson to go fuck himself. 

59:47 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
You know I don't understand why you need to curse out the players, the other teams like. I remember I went to like like a Minnesota Vikings game I'm a big Jets fan and the Jets were playing. I was cheering for the Jets and the Vikings fans were very respectful towards me. They ended up losing and a couple of them said to me great game. I've also been to Dolphins games. They're like I'm worried about violence getting thrust onto me. I don't understand why can't you have a respectful banter? It's fine to have friendly banter, but hurling insults and calling someone a bitch, come on. No place for that, in my opinion. 

01:00:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You know, in European go ahead. 

01:00:27 - Alex Moretto (Host)
I was just going to say it's very like, hold me back, kind of vibes, you know what I mean. Once the cops come in and everyone gets in there, you're like, yeah, hold me back kind of vibes, like you know what I mean. Like once like the cops come in and everyone gets in there you're like, yeah, like hold me back, hold me back. 

01:00:38
Yeah, you're not going to say this to him. If you guys are alone somewhere and there's no accountability, like you're not going to, so why would you say that to him now? Yeah, who do we think? 

01:00:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Like don't fight. 

01:00:45 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Like come on scary. 

01:00:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, I was gonna say in european soccer I'm sure other sports as well you are literally not allowed if you're in an away jersey or an away team, where you're literally not allowed in the home team section because of fear for your safety. So, uh, it depends where you are in. Uh, I guess in america, like, would I wear a giant jersey to an eagles game? Probably not. What do you? 

01:01:10 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
think you do, can I get away with that. 

01:01:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That's suicidal. 

01:01:13 - Flup (Host)
Listen, blame Ron Artest for all this stuff. The mouse at the palace changed all the rules. So again, is it weak by the NBA? No, they have to, you know. Again, I also agree with that. It's just goofy to me, baby. 

01:01:26 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Even without the mouse at the palace stuff you want to like. You don't want your players of your league to be subjected to this all game, every game like you got to protect them to some degree too, like I don't know, I think it's just it's a bit too far you could also expect it from the upper level, right, if you went up there, you shit like that, but people right on the court, I mean you got to do something about it all right, let's go to the final segment on the show today, which is, of course, the chopping block, except it didn't warrant full segments, we still wanted to say a little bit on it. 

01:01:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
And first up we have uh, just mike at x for the w says how the fuck am I supposed to trust someone to send money to and his phone doesn't, doesn't work ever. Grp wins. This has been ongoing issue and you refuse to fix it. Instead of buying buying a new phone which will make you more money, you continue to throw away money. You continue to throw your money away on shitty wagers, outside of your expertise, and this is because George was on a show at Steffi Smalls and said I guess I had a static connection on my end when being interviewed by Steffi Smalls Sorry, steph, you look great. My phone is only 14 months old, time for a new one and I don't have the audio to play for you guys, but very, very staticky audio by GRP. It is incredible that this is a man who is going to sell pics At any time I see him. On content, there is some sort of technical issue, whether it's been on this network, on the hammer or something like this. 

01:02:56 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
What do you think about it? Flop. This is hilarious, great tweet by Just Mike. It's just so funny. I love GRP's character. I think he's hysterical. I don't think he's a bit. I think that's just who he is. But it also shows how ridiculous it is that he's going to be selling picks. And I mean, how could, how could anyone think that grp is going to be able to win when he can't even work basic technology? How are you going to get the data to beat the nfl? 

01:03:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I mean how is he going to be able to send the picks out every day, exactly, or every? 

01:03:24 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
week. Whatever. I love this ongoing bit between like people chirping grp for selling it. Just mike excellent tweet had me laughing what do you think? 

01:03:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
moretto, you're a fan of the grp content yeah, I, I am. 

01:03:39 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Um, I would love to incorporate grp a little bit more into some of the fun stuff we do, and I've gotten a lot of dms about it from people being like you got to book them for more watch alongs. Why don't we get grp on this? This is the exact reason why grp does not do more stuff for the hammer. I would love to have him do more stuff for the hammer until this guy can buy a freaking webcam and a microphone or like a stable internet connection yeah, you will be seeing him on this network for a while well, maybe a super bowl prop show. 

01:04:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
We got it sure fight for that look I I've mentioned before. 

01:04:10 - Flup (Host)
At times it's funny, I think at times it's just kind of drawn out to get a new phone. Like it's just like these people that have flip phones still like get with the fucking times. Like it's it's a clear sign of just like lame number two, his obsession with having to constantly you look great stuff. Like why'd you have to say that? Like also no offense, I like steph too, but steph, you got to speak up. The connection sucks. It's on your end. You're the host. You got to be like yo get a new fucking phone, bro, you're not coming on. Like where was she in all this? Like she just let him talk. But yeah, his is like um telling oh you, why did he have to put that in there? This is weird, it's common great so on. 

01:04:48 - Alex Moretto (Host)
It's common for GRP, by the way. You look great, so on that, yeah, it's weird. 

01:04:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Next one comes from FerrisB, underscore 86, another prominent member in gambling. Twitter says cleared throat, clenched fist, looking up at the clouds. Why are spaces seen as a legitimate medium to discuss nuanced issues? How do you really reach the point where a person can't write out all their thoughts in an easy to follow piece or even record a pod, so their messaging comes off the way they want it, with gathered thoughts and editing? Uh nadu, you're prominent. You're prominent in your spaces. You also run your own spaces. It's uh friday night, I believe. Um, what do you take on this? 

01:05:24 - Flup (Host)
I agree with that wholeheartedly. I mean, I don't do it as much as, like, some of these guys do spaces every night, every other night night. I agree, I think you have to differentiate. I have podcasts that I could talk on stuff too, to do it in like a six hour thing where, like, even if you have timestamps, like just do do a compliment to the to the space, have a podcast every week or something, where you kind of wrap it all up or you talk about a hot button issue. 

01:05:47
I just think it's laziness by people. It's easy to go on space. It takes 30 seconds. Fluff does them, we all do them. They're easy to do. Um, you don't have to put much effort. You can mute yourself for hours on end and let other people just talk. Uh, it's just lazy kind of content. Um, I agree with that post, though I think you know. In addition, circle Back is one of the things that does a quasi podcast and all this stuff. But I agree it is lazy and and there needs to be better. Uh, kind of work put in behind the scenes with some of these people well, I want to point out I agree and disagree. 

01:06:20 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
I think some topics you can easily write out and also I think it's worth noting. I believe ferris is a writing teacher, right, or I mean he's. I think so like maybe a little biased because he and he biased because he writes a forum. He can write much better than some idiot like myself. But I think spaces have real value the news hosts and stuff where people are debating and arguing Well, okay, how are you going to do that on a podcast? Sure, you can have debate podcasts, but sometimes you want to ask and invite people from the audience to ask questions. Well, that can only really be done in real time. I hosted one with Captain Jack talking about gambling tax. It was good to hear real questions in real time. So for some things, I think Spaces is the correct forum. But for topics that are just like you're giving a lesson or explaining and you're just discussing a topic, sure, I can understand writing a piece or doing a podcast. 

01:07:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I think it's a bit unfair the way it's labeled, as like all spaces, because there's like a really good host who is able to, you know, whittle out like all this shit and keep it civil in a way and keep it on topic. Then it can lead to some good content, and there are people on spaces doing great content. There are people who aren't doing great content, but there's a lot of content that exists. And the same can be said for YouTube. Like, if you're an hour into the show, which you are, if you're currently listening, you like the content here, but I'm sure there's other content on YouTube that you would never listen to. You got to find what you like and gotta find what what you like, and I think there are spaces that exist that could provide ferris what he's looking for. It's just maybe the biggest ones that are the biggest names in the spaces are ones that don't fit into that profile. What do you think, moretto? 

01:08:04 - Alex Moretto (Host)
yeah, I mean, all mediums of content have their, their pros and cons, I guess. But I just my takeaway from this. And I know, chris, he said ferris is a little bit biased and he is, but Ferris did a great job with his substack and his writing. He's written some really good pieces in this space. But just in general I think like the art of writing has very much kind of died out and we see it from like the younger generation. 

01:08:26
I see it from like you know, the younger generation that I'm subjected to at least like younger, the younger generation that I'm subjected to, at least like younger cousins and family members and stuff like that. Like people don't write anymore, people don't read anymore, like it's just sad I don't want to go to, like old man yells at clouds here, but like, even like print journalism, like the death of that, like just kind of sucks Cause like I I do miss, like being able to just like crack open a newspaper or like whatever, just just getting like good, hard hitting written journalism and like, even in long form, uh, you know, writing and that's kind of just died out these days and that kind of sucks we also have to think about a little bit in terms of what we call someone, let's say, is a good spaces host. 

01:09:01 - Flup (Host)
Flop made great points on not everyone should host a space. Okay, you gotta. You gotta know who to put up. You know who's gonna drag the conversation and who's just gonna be a, a douche dickhead. That's not going to offer much Like there's. There's just the sad thing is anyone can do it and I think it's kind of dragged down, maybe stuff that that's better than others. 

01:09:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Last topic here and maybe the last hopefully the last time we can discuss it but the $270,000 parlay. It has come to an end. The Edmonton Oilers lost their series against the Florida Panthers, but we do have the final information. According to BR betting the person who had the $13 parlay to win $270,000, they hedged out in many different ways and in the end are going to profit $75,000 on this one Flup. You made the point last week that for a lot of people who said they would have cashed that at $100K, they would have just cashed that way before. It never would have even gone to $100K. Do you think that, coming out of this with $75,000, do you think this is that this was handled really well or really poorly? 

01:10:11 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Yes, very well. $75, yes, uh, very well. 75, 75, 000. With this result. It's hard to do better than this. Look, everyone could say they would have cashed out the 146 when it was pre pre-series. Sure, but I'm still seeing people to cash out at at 100 and at 50 likely too. So 75 is a decent hedge. He also also even mentioned if the Orioles had came back and won and the Thunder had won, he would have won 93,000. 

01:10:37
It's hard to get this much and this is what like gambling should be, in my opinion A better, that's likely a theoretical loser of several hundred dollars a year. I mean, he made a $13 bet. He got a ton of excitement and he hit a lottery and he got a great experience from it. It's hard for me to hate on this. It seems maybe I'm wrong here that he was responsible gambling because he wasn't betting too much, he wasn't betting aggressively. It's $13. If you can't afford to lose $13, I mean I don't know what to tell you at this point. You make a couple of these bets a year, you have a fun ride. You likely lose majority, if not all of them, but it's. You're here for the excitement, I don't know. I think this is really well done. I know the dude has the opposite take so I'm curious to see what he says, but I I really enjoyed this experience. I was fun rooting for the kid I was, I was, I was rooting for the orioles. I hope they had one anything for you to do. 

01:11:30 - Flup (Host)
Oh, I mean now that it. I mean again, this is kind of what content is. It's push it all into our face like 7,000 times a day, and by the end you just want the kid to lose because he's so annoying and greedy and whatever. But we also didn't know that he necessarily hedged. I also have heard other people say like did he actually hedge? We didn't see any proof that he hedged, he just said he hedged, actually hedged. We didn't see any proof that he hedged, he just said he hedged. I don't know why he would lie about that. If I would like to see one of these kids, though, turn this into something more like. This kid will just wolfers forget he ever existed and he'll go back to doing whatever he was going to do. Why not take what you got from this and use it to your advantage? I think that would be impressive. I wonder if any of these kids will ever do that how do you you suggest he does that? 

01:12:11 - Alex Moretto (Host)
Because, like, he starts up a podcast now talking about, like sports betting or whatever, who's like, who's good. Maybe you listen to, like the for some people that, like the story, we'll listen to the first episode. No one's listening to it beyond that. He doesn't actually probably I don't know the kids, so maybe he does but I can't imagine he actually takes or offerings that people are going to want to listen to. 

01:12:40 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
Hey, moretto, steve has it won a fucking contest 30 years ago. So, uh, you know the difference, the difference. Has he mentioned that at all? Steve physic was actually like winning back then, like he was actually like a profitable game. And something else I want to point out I've heard people say, like you said to do that hey, did he really hedge? I think it makes sense because BR Betting wants to promote DraftKings. They're probably getting paid by DraftKings to promote this. They want it to seem exciting, so they don't want to mention the hedge part until it's actually over. It seems very logical to me that he actually hedges. Don't talk about the hedge, talk about the cash out. It drums up engagement and views and at at the end, when it actually is over, you can tell the truth. Hey, he hedged the whole time. He was never considering a cash out because he had already hedged. And everyone wins. Draftkings got a bunch of views, brbetting got a bunch of views, the Kid got an ultimate experience. This is wins all around. 

01:13:33 - Flup (Host)
I'm wondering, though, and I'm curious. I'm sure he'll never tell us, but I'm hoping, bet uh draft kings or br with somebody. They paid for his tickets right I mean he got. 

01:13:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I was gonna say kirk. Kirk evans, from the two-day show, made a great point on twitter saying, like what isn't factored into the cash out is that if he keeps this going, he gets flown out to all these games, he gets all this exposure. I actually was going to follow up by asking like the same question you asked is he gonna be able to do anything with this? But like to do, what do you think he could do from this? 

01:13:57 - Flup (Host)
like do you think a? 

01:13:58
podcast could be successful no, I'm not necessarily talking about a podcast, but I would start with just like you know, like, like maybe kind of turning it into something, and similar to like what trent does, where you try to build a profile on twitter. You know you have to start somewhere, you know to just not do anything more. I mean, this is something that very few people can ever get to as far as achieving with, like I've never had this happen to me. If this happened to me, I would magnify it times 20. So, yeah, maybe just start on Twitter and try to grow things that way. 

01:14:28 - Jeff Nadu (Host)
The difference is, nadeau, you're actually someone that was good at content. You're probably in the top one percent of content, given the size of youtube. Following this size of your twitter following this kid is a random nobody. Yeah, he doesn't have the experience to do this. He doesn't know how to capitalize on this, so it's hard for him to have that mindset. Sure, someone like you. If this happened to you, you could probably monetize this and capitalize on it. 

01:14:49 - Flup (Host)
I'll tell him not everyone set up for's set up for that. Hit me up, I'll help you out. I won't charge you anything. 

01:14:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, we'll see if somebody can come with it. We've seen a lot of people get their 15 minutes of fame. See if they can turn it into something bigger. But that comes to the end of the show, comes to our announcement and the announcement comes from Jeff Nadeau. We'll give him the floor to say what he needs to say. 

01:15:10 - Flup (Host)
I hate to be right out of here but this is my last show guys. You know we kind of came to an agreement on both sides. You know I think this is just really I wouldn't say it's not the right medium at least show for me. It's just. I think I'm better used in different types of shows other than this one. I think some of the shows we've done have been terrific. I'm just not really one of the more quantifiable Like statistic, sharp betting types of guys, which I think what the network is more entitled for. I'm more a game breakdown, have fun with different random topics, that sort of thing. I just feel like it's kind of a different segment Than what I'm used to. I think we just kind of came to a mutual agreement that we're going to part. 

01:15:53
As far as me with the show, I also do have some other things I'm working on that I've been ramping up in some of the other things that I do, my work is really never done a lot of the time and I think you know, probably replacing me with someone who's a little bit more segmented to the community that the channel is kind of destined for is, I think, a better option. So I want to thank Rob Flop, jacob Kanish, moreto, everybody that allowed me the opportunity to do the show for a couple of months here, and especially. I think another thing that we have to kind of talk about too is we always thought that the spaces drama would kind of die out. We're kind of getting to that point. I won't say that I was liaison between the two, but I definitely did offer a bit of a side thing, and I just feel like maybe I'm better outfitted for other types of content as opposed to this one. So someone will take my place. 

01:16:44
I'm sure that guy that put that comment earlier will be very happy. And yeah, to anyone that came over and checked out the show, I hope you continue to check it out. And yeah, I mean you're. You know where to find me if you need me, and you know I wish everybody the best and you know I thank them for the opportunity well, I really thank you and all the time and dedication you have put into the show, helping grow the channel, helping grow the brand. 

01:17:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
We wish you good luck. I'm sure I speak for all of us and say wish you good luck in all your future projects. So, uh, thank you much appreciated. But that'll come to the end of the show. A new seat to be filled for next week. Who is going to be the person that steps in? You can comment your guesses and perhaps your suggestions in the comment section down below. While you're there, make sure you do smash that like button, make sure you subscribe to the channel. Last week we hit 19,000 subscribers on this channel. We want to keep driving forward. We want to get to 20,000 and beyond. Support the channel and we'll give you some great content in return. We'll see you again next time.