00:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
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03:21 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
This is the conference for you the big 12 2024 yeah, I mean you're talking depending on how many teams are these eight, nine teams, uh, that could have the potential. Maybe even, you know, if you got your prime shades on, you could make a case for 10 teams, uh, that have a chance to win this conference. So it's gonna be a wild one. I mean great games every week. So this I will say of the realignments that have been done, there's a part of me that, like in the ACC, in the Big Ten, are like this is stupid, like why is Oregon and UCLA traveling? Why is Cal and Stanford? This seems just right, like I feel like it geograph, geologically, makes sense, the teams in it makes sense, but the type of programs and it makes sense, um, I'm okay that you know it's like texas, oklahoma left and took. Well, we've still got these teams here that that make a lot of interest, um, and, if anything, maybe it made a little more. So this is the new look conference that I'm by far the most excited about. 

04:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I agree we're talking because obviously you can pay people. Now we're talking similar bankrolls. You don't have one team that can afford so much more than anybody else. I mean any one of these programs. Maybe this year isn't the year for you if you're an Arizona State or a Houston fan, but but doesn't mean the next year or a couple years from now you can't be one of the top teams in this conference. I just think this is not going to be the exception of the rule. This is going to be the rule in which you know every single year, eight to ten teams can win this conference. That's fun. We haven't had that in college football, uh hell, we have barely had that even at the G5 level. So I hear you Fun conference. Let's start, though, at the bottom. A hire that was made that. 

05:08
I love Willie Fritz, but I don't necessarily love their prospects for this upcoming season. Are they anybody coming back from a Houston team that obviously Dana Holgerson didn't recruit very well? Fritz had to hit the portal quite hard just to fill in some gaps and it's an extremely tough schedule. We're talking about a team that's only going to be probably favored in two games this year, and even those two aren't layups, unlv and rice? Uh, you add it all up. This was one of my favorite win, probably my favorite wins total position that I took this entire off season. Out of 100 plus bets that I made, was houston under four and a half so much that, even though it's moved a full win, I would still lean under three and a half wins. I love Willie Fritz, but I think this is a very, very tough year one for him. 

05:53 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, this is you know what. I'm probably not as down on Houston as you are. However, that comes to say that they just don't have a layup on the schedule, like they do not get an FCS opponent. They didn't get anybody. Unlv looks pretty good this year. Rice is going to have their best year in a long, long time. So even in the non-con it's trouble. And then, as you said, getting in a conference play where every week is just going to be a type of game, and they got a lot of the upper tier Big 12 teams in this conference. So yeah, even though I think the offense could be okay, there were some pieces that are left over. Willie Fritz could come in, run the same type of system he did at Tulane. 

06:38
I think the offense maybe gets some traction. First, maybe a team that would be playing some overs on early. The defense is going to bottom out. Um, I mean, just lost a ton. They went the juco route. They did some fcs route. They had to complain this was a bad defense under daniel holgren. I mean this was a defense that was not good, uh, under daniel holgren, and a program that didn't. He didn't leave it in a great spot. Uh, a lot of pieces. So, program that has some money, a program that in a year or two we might be looking, you know, to buy on, I agree with you. The Fritz hire be okay. This year, though, not much to advocate for and probably going to be a year zero type of situation. 

07:20 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, very similar to how he left. I know he won some games every now and then Dana. Yeah, very similar to how he left. I know he won some games every now and then, dana, but left West Virginia pretty much in shambles. Then Houston, no different. Willie Fritz, I'll be very optimistic. 

07:32
Year two for them to make a leap, not this year. Speaking of year two, I got a year two coach that struggled last year, and deservedly so considering all the injuries that they had. But Arizona State is next up. As far as going from the bottom to the top, my power rings in the Big 12. Not much expected out of the Sun Devils this year in their first year of the Big 12. Went to a sworn half in the under and I agree with that. It's been under and the under's been back. With that being said, very intriguing start to the schedule. 

07:59
As far as the ability to maybe get some wins, starting with Wyoming Not a slam dunk by any stretch, but they are right around a touchdown favorite Then, I think, a huge swing game for Arizona State, mississippi State at home, week two If they're going to overachieve this year, that has to be a win for them, because besides that, texas State could be difficult on a short week. Texas State will be fired up, to say the least, for that one. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Texas State wins that game. Byu at home home they'll probably be slight favorite there, but other than that I mean they might only be favoring three, four games this year. There's a reason why the wind tunnel is only four and a half. I think this is a multiple year rebuild. Uh, that was put in front of him because the sanctions from uh, uh you know all the uh sanctions that was putting them for illegitimately recruiting under anton and Herm Edwards in the fallout there Dillingham was dealt a pretty tough hand here. 

08:49 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, again, I kind of liked the hire, I liked what he was doing, but, as you said, it's just a multi-year process to go through. They brought in I mean 31 transfers last year, another 29 this year, so he's trying to completely overhaul the roster from what he had come in A couple of guys I like they got Relique Brown from USC. They brought in I mean Tabaka, jeff Sims and Sam Levitt from Michigan State. 

09:16 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You like the quarterback, I don't. 

09:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't either. So that to me is a problem on a team that I don't think is going to be very good defensively. Uh, so I, I just I don't know what this team can really hang its head on in terms of like, what's what side of the ball or what unit do you feel really good about this Arizona state team? 

09:37 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Um, I like scataboo at running back. 

09:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So so that I mean, when that we're going going running back, we're going to the running back room as like what we like the best about this team. Yeah, that's trouble, um, and yeah, wide receivers are nothing. No, no it's another team without a lot of layups, or with no layups, you could call it yeah, no layups here. 

10:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Wyoming's probably their easiest game and that's not a slam dunk, come on yeah. 

10:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So, um, I think this is just gonna be a brood. I, I don't, I almost I like what Houston we just talked to Houston. I like what Houston has back on offense. And then what I like from from what I've seen from Arizona State, um, I just I I don't know how they they kind of are able to take a step forward this year. I would lean towards the under on this one. I know they're coming off a bend. You would expect some natural progression, but I don't see it 176, I don't know if I'm there at 176. 

10:35
It's deep, it's real steep. This is one that kind of got bet down. I'm not dying to pay 176 for it, but I still think there's a 3-9, 4-18. 

10:44 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Trying to pay 176 for it, but I still think there's a 3-9, 4-18. Let's talk to the higher-ups Zach Phillips and Moreto and those guys. 

10:53 - Zack Phillips (Ad)
Let's get these conference previews going a little sooner next year so we can get in front of some of these line moves so we're not talking. 

10:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I can't bet it now, but yeah, next year for sponsored. We're lucky enough to be sponsored by FanDuel. We'll get these up sooner in the summer. Yeah, I can't play 176. They're a little too pricey. Because one thing I will say I mean you never hear this. You hear of coaches reaching out to the student body for kickers and stuff like that. You've heard many of those stories through the years. They were doing it for offensive linemen Anybody weighing 300 pounds on campus, just so they can have guys come in on special teams, whitewater, like what, seriously, seriously, like. 

11:32 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
what are you doing? Go get an FCS guy in the portal. You want some guy who's doing a keg stand. That just got up to 300 on bush lights, now playing left tackle. 

11:43 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That's how bad they were on offensive line last year it was. It was pretty bad. They did get creative not to go in the weeds too much. But uh, they like they fooled ucla with the stuff they were doing. They're running like scataboo play quarterback and that in that game. Uh, I like dillingham. They gotta be patient. Patient with this guy. He's a young guy in his early 30s. Give him this is year one. Last year was year zero. This is year one. Give him a couple more years to get this roster straightened out. 

12:13
Next up, byu. Here's one where a coach I think can be on his last legs, believe it or not, kalani Satake. Byu, coming off a disappointing season year one in Big 12 play last year. These are still fighting and calling at the end against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. But they statistically were very bad last year, recruiting a little bit better as far as the incoming class for this year. 

12:35
But the senior laden class is not an overwhelming amount of talent there and I think a BYU program benefited from that easy COVID schedule when they played a bunch of nobodies. Zach Wilson certainly benefited from that, to say the least. When they've had to step up in competition the last couple years, it hasn't been as good. And man, this year outside of Southern Illinois he was a pretty good FCS team. Not a lot of slam dunk wins. On this schedule, wyoming, they'll be favored in Houston probably, and then, you know, underdog in the remaining games. I mean, I don't see a bowl game again and I guess what I'm getting at is if they're not in a bowl game this year again and the wind total says they won't be, how long does Sataki got in Provo? I don't know. 

13:27 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It just it feels like the formula which worked at BYU for so long. I don't know. It feels like the formula which worked at BYU for so long. I just don't know if it can work in today's college football anymore, where it was, have a bunch of 23-, 24-, 25-year-old guys who have already done their Mormon mission. If it can work, they've gotten too far away from it because they're not this ultra physical team anymore. Uh, that has, you know, a 26 year old quarterback like it just seems that what they've done at the end. 

13:52
I don't remember when they remember they tried to bring in ty detmer and go back to that like I, I don't know, I don't know what this byu program is really trying to be anymore, and I agree with you that it kind of feels like this team like they're bringing in. I know they brought Jerry Bohannon from USF. They've got a couple of different options at quarterback that they're going to try out in the portal. You know Jay Hill, who I liked, coming from Weber State, as far as they didn't have a good year on defense. 

14:22
They got a lot of return. I think that's one thing maybe they could, you know, kind of lean on is that they got a lot of returners and a good DC, that maybe the defense will be much better, but they don't have the requisite size and physicality that the old BYU defenses has. So I don't know, it's a program that seems like it's kind of in limbo at the moment and I don't love the direction of it. And I agree with you that sataki might be, might be just on the last leg here, um, and I'm just not sure what byu football can be anymore in 2024 wow, dad, you said that. 

14:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Well, uh, did they go back to trying to throw in the football bunch like they had you know success for three decades under lavelle edwards? Do they do what you know? Bronco m? Bronco Mendenhall had such success there, but I just think it's growing stale. I think they need maybe some youth movement there, get a little more excitement on the recruiting trail and I just think it might take a couple years to get adjusted to playing. You're not playing Utah State and teams like that every week, so you've got to get adjusted to playing some legit teams. You can't bully ball. Uh, you're not bully balling. You know they struggled against utah for several years. Now you're playing utah caliber talent every single week. So, yeah, I think that's a problem. So even though I think they're better than last year man, I punched that power rating uh, you know, improved by about four points I still still only got a win total of 4.3. That's why we haven't seen much movement on the win total. Four and a half all offseason Next up, we've seen some movement on the win total. We've got some confliction here. Cincinnati's the next team, early money on the under. Other people have come in on the over with Cincinnati. 

16:03
I'm not a big Satterfield guy, transfer portal heavy for the year two. Obviously last year was a disaster. Could be a little bit better this year, particularly up front. That offensive line quarterback might be better, but a very underrated loss. Corleone on that defensive line, the Godfather that is his nickname, uh had to quit the team due to blood clots. That was a pretty big loss. I mean I would make a case he was their best player on the team last year schedule. I mean I could see how some people if you're optimistic on them, you know pittsburgh's, winnable, miam, ohio, houston, arizona state's at home, but I mean they got a hit on all those because I I don't have a lot of other favorite roles. When it comes to conference play, where are you at on this one? You got to break the tiebreaker. I'm on under five and a half. 

16:52 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I would lean that way as well and I know they have. The tough piece of it is they have a lot of what we'll call winnable games and teams that we're down on in that. With that said, don't like Satterfield at all, don't really like the direction, what I saw from them in terms of the program it was one of those. They lost Fickle, they lost everything off the roster and I don't really see the build back in terms of what this team it's probably just going to be a call it what it is kind of a bottom tier Big 12. I don't know what the ceiling it's like. 

17:29
Fickle took this Cincinnati team to a ceiling that I just don't think is realistic. I think you're going to kind of get the fall back to earth continues. Don't love what they have at quarterback. They do bring back a lot of offensive linemen, so they're going to be kind of one of those you know run the ball, ball control type of teams, try and hit some passes. But again, as you said, corleone, massive loss. They lost so much on defense. They brought in a ton of transfers again on defense to try and backfill some of that. I don't think any of that was really elite talent. The only argument you can make here is that Towson, pittsburgh, miami, ohio, houston, arizona, state, colorado. 

18:11 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
They got to win them. If they're going to go to a bowl game, you got to. There's some winnable games on the schedule. I'm not going to be overwhelmed on a bunch of them, but they just got to take care of business. I didn't see a team take care of business. I, I thought they were, you know, penalties, sloppiness, just didn't have it together. We'll see. I, I think you'll know if they start four and oh, obviously be in good shape if they win those. Sweep the board on all those teams. They should be. Uh, then they'd be in good shape. But I I'm a little bit more pessimistic because I don't like satterfield and I again similar to byu. I mean, there's an adjustment period. You're not playing east carolina and temple anymore every week. Uh, and the recruiting went down the last couple years under fickle. This is in the weeds after freeman and the recruiting coordinator left for notre dame. Uh, the last couple of recruiting classes for uh, fickle weren't as good as previous years. So we'll see. Uh, colorado's next. 

19:04
I know a lot of you are stunned that I'm not closing the show with Colorado as a top team, my power ratings as far as the big 12, but I I have my doubts on Colorado. I mean you and I are back and forth on this team. I we could talk and do a whole show on Colorado. I'll just say this my current power ratings plug and I got Colorado much improved from last year. I got them borderline top 50 team. That's saying a lot considering what Deion you know what he inherited there, so he's definitely been good from the program. As far as the power rating, it's up significantly over what it was just two years ago. I take that power rating plug in their schedule. I can't get the six wins under five and a half for me. Where are you at? 

19:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You know what I, this is a team. I know we went this is a a hit the books head to head and it was a team that I I honestly I was more optimistic and I probably fell a little bit too much to the Louis luggage and all that I, the Louis luggage and all that I thought they would bring in, like I was expecting, and again, they did bring in a lot of transfers, the quality of transfer and some of what they lost too. I did not expect that much exit. I thought we would just add, add, we trim a little bit more of the Boston. They lost some good players off of last year's team. Now I think the offense and we'll just go Sean Lewis to Pat Schirmer is a downgrade, is a big downgrade. 

20:25
And when this team was was, you know, looking great out of the gate last year, that was a Sean Lewis offense. And then you know Dion doesn't want his kid getting hit too much, and so they they go to Pat Schirmer and I don't, I just don't love that. I don't, like you know you saw in second, the results were there in the second half of the year where they lost almost every game. So, with that said, I think the offense could be very good. I mean they had legitimate. I mean Travis Hunter is probably a top 10 pick, jadier Sanders is an NFL player. They've got some other guys. I really like the defense less optimistic about. 

21:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I don't, really, really I don't like the defense coordinator hire. He has no college experience. I didn't know who the hell he was coming over from the bangles yeah, yeah, I, I did not love that either. 

21:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Um, again, that's, and he doesn't have a ton of talent. The best, the number one thing he doesn't have is trench trenches in the sides there. So, and as you said, this is it. I mean, you want to talk teams that are going to play in the trenches. You start with north dakota state and nebraska and then you know, as you said, I mean, you got no favors in the big, but they have this schedule like there's no slam. 

21:32 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
There's not a slam dunk win on the schedule. 

21:34 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, there's not a lot of and I mean that, like they should have paid, they, they just cashed the check, north Dakota state, and went and scheduled. You know, you know some, some D two team or something, but I, I, I agree with you. There's, there are just very few layups here. I wouldn't be as bullish as I was early, early on them with. 

21:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That said, where are you at, I'm, I'm, I'm comfortable going on her five and a half best bet and plus money. You got sit. Where are the six wins? Give me six wins. You go go through it right now. You got the schedule up. I got the six wins. I I'm in north dakota state. I'll give him that. I don't know about nebraska. I guess they can win it, but they're they're six point underdog. Yeah, they like him in that game. He's been him against the spread. Colorado State I'll give you. I'll give you Baylor, I'll give you. 

22:21
Cincinnati, there's four. 

22:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yep. 

22:24 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Texas Tech. At Texas Tech, you got to win there. I mean listen they're going to be an underdog in the game. I mean yeah sure you can win. All right, I'll give you that one. There's five, give me another one and all these games. I just listed are not slam dunks. I'm like giving them the benefit of the doubt. I mean are you? 

22:44 - Zack Phillips (Ad)
super confident they're going to. I'll stay at them on the ropes. 

22:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, and then you get to the back half. I mean Utah, kansas, oklahoma State. Is Shador playing NFLs on the future? They're thinking NFL Travis. Is Shador playing NFLs on the future? They're thinking NFL Travis Hunter, what's his snap count? Is he thinking at the end of the season or is he thinking, oh, I've got to get ready for the draft? I don't know the mindset and Deion's already having problems with the local. Forget the national media, the local media he's having problems with. I mean that's I don't know. They better beat North Dakota State and you want to talk about a bottom falling out. They got to win that game. They can't have an early loss. 

23:24 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I agree, I totally agree with you. Yeah, Not unfortunately, for the Buffs and the prime LaTruce. They're not as bullish as I once was. 

23:33 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So I don't know if you, you and I are head-to-head, so we'll just take the head to head. But if you're watching out there, under five and a half for me would be my best bet, uh. But kanish, I mean, he's part of that prime call. He loves it, uh I got it. 

23:47 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Hey, listen, I got a pair of the shades too. 

23:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I should have won them yeah, I'm, I'm not, uh, not buying it, even though I've upgraded their power writing I. I like some of the stuff they've done. I just I hate that that schedule is not conducive to slam dunk. They're going to a bowl game. I don't see it. Uh, baylor's next a team. That's, you know, wide variety of opinion on this team. I think it's the last year. Uh, for for their head coach, even though they got 16 returning starters, even though it should be much better. And I upgraded their power rating baylor as much as any team in the country as far as the power four level from last year, because they really bottomed out last year. They didn't have a good quarterback play. 

24:21
You bring it into kwan finn from toledo. He's in the quarterback mix. He's not a slam dunk to even start. So there's at least some competition there. Uh, defense, he's taking over the defense. That's his bread and butter. Uh, he's also coaching the linebackers. So, aranda, we'll see, that's a lot on his plate there. He brings in a new offense corner. I like the hire. We'll see, that's a lot on his plate there. He brings in a new offense coordinator. I like the hire. But we'll see if that can get turned around in year one right away. I'm under five and a half on Baylor. 

24:47 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, I think they do have some explosive talent, like really some explosive talent, daquan Finn. I don't know how much I love that truly, and this is from a guy who watches a lot of MAAC football on a down-to-down basis. 

25:06 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I know he got a lot of football down-to-down. 

25:09 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Like, yeah, he I don't love him kind of taking the jump up To me. He was a G5 player playing in a week conference. That not a lot of athleticism. Him now taking this jump to the Big 12, I don't know how well that's going to go. He was a G5 player playing in a week conference. That not a lot of athleticism. Him now taking this jump to the Big 12, I don't know how well that's going to go. I'm dubious that if he does win the job, that he can be the kind of guy to get this team back to a bowl game. And, as you, I mean this is another. I mean we're going to say this about almost. I don't know who put these Big 12 schedules together, but to me, if I was playing in this new rendition of the Big 12, I wouldn't play anybody in the non-conference. 

25:43 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
No, I wouldn't play anybody. I mean, Utah is at. Utah is not a conference game. That is considered a non-conference game. 

25:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah. 

25:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So that's, and then Air Force is not a year ago, I would schedule three cream puffs, I agree. 

26:03 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They have some. I mean the line is returning a lot. They've got some explosive, explosive talent at wide receiver, at return Richard Reese, and that I don't know, the Aranda. 

26:13 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Like I can't believe it's year five already for him, the Aranda defense the outlier is the Big 12 title game at this point, when he won the championship. Other Aranda defense the outlier is the Big 12 title game at this point when he won the championship. 

26:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Other than that, I mean it hasn't been good, yeah. Yeah, I mean that's probably the only reason he, that is the only reason he's still stuck around at this point. But I just, you know, it's like we haven't seen that classic Dave Aranda. Now he's taking it all over and maybe it gets back there, but I don't know, I don there, but I don't know, I don't, I, I just don't believe it. I think this is more of, as you saw, five and seven type of team um that that has a lot of teams that are above their head in this league maybe we'll come back to that one. 

26:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think their whole season is that three game stretch air force at colorado byu, gotta win at least two of them. Uh, they're gonna meet expectations this year and get to get back to a bowl game. Uh, next up, texas tech. Uh, you know mark is pretty down on texas tech. I like joey mcguire, I like the things that he's doing there as far as recruiting and whatnot. 

27:03
Don't like this year's personnel only 10 returning starters. Quarterback situation is kind of an unknown a question. Mark morton, is he healthy? Uh, wasn't healthy in the spring. Yet again, man shoulder shoulders, like your back, recur. Reoccurring problems there. Uh, but not good. As far as the outlook, we've seen the win total bet down here. As far as texas tech is concerned, I will say the start of the schedule advantageous we talked about hey, I wouldn't schedule anybody in the non-conference abilene, christian, north texas and washington state team. That doesn't scare me, is not bad. And then you host arizona state and cincinnati to start big 12 play. So, um, there is a pretty good possibility they can start five and oh, after that not not a lot of surefire wins, especially when you had a win total at seven and a half. So I I think seven's about right for for texas tech this year seven and five yeah, I'm with you. 

27:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Uh, I mean that that is the quarterback position, is where it's gonna, because morton he's had an up and down career. He's had injuries gone, then again Again not 100% healthy again, where do they go? If it's not him? That could be very dicey. It's a defense that you know, improved since the. You know the old days where it was, you know when they were there, the Mike Leach, the. You know the days where they were throwing it around. 

28:16
So it gets better now, but I don't think it's by any means an elite unit. Tosh Brooks obviously their best player. So again, I can't get to eight for this team either. And again, very easy schedule in the outset. One of the only big 12 teams that kind of has a very easy non-con, so that'll be a big plus. But once they're in the league I just don't like them head-to-head versus a lot of these teams and so they again, as you said should be, has to be, if they want to get to eight, has to be a five and oh, start, um, and then they're gonna have a lot of, you know, a couple of coin flip games on the stretch. A couple of games will be a short dog, I can't get to eight here. Um, I don't like the team and personnel enough. But the schedule, the opportunities there, um, it's just not a team for me. 

29:06 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That I think is good enough we uh going under seven and a half best bet. Are we gonna come back to it? 

29:13 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
come back to it. 

29:14 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Come back to it all right, next up, ucf. Uh, my power rings and I'm probably a little bit low on ucf because I think as a team it's got a lot of upside. 

29:22
Yeah, a lot of upside, starting with KJ Jefferson transferred from Arkansas. He's got a ton of experience, a good fit for Malzahn's offense. A lot of other transfer portal guys. I think it's as loaded of a running back for him. Forget the Big 12. There's any team in the country. That's how much I like the running backs. Harvey Richardson, they bring in Penny Boone from Toledo who was at Louisville for a semester Defense. I'm not wild about Lost their best pass rusher up front. They got some guys, but I think we're going to see some high-scoring UCF games. Boy, the market loves this team. I think they bet even the New Hampshire game at FanDuel. They bet that up like a touchdown already. So there's some people that are super sky high on UCF. I think it's a team if you want to take a flyer on. I know the prices are down a little bit, but I just think if they hit on these transfers, I mean this could be the best team in the Big 12. 

30:17 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, I think the the off, as you said, the offense could be absolutely electric. I think it's the right quarterback transfer in the right system, with some great backs where they can hand it off and, do you know, a lot of ground game. I just can't like this is. This is one that I and we've said it a few times on these preview no-transcript. I mean eight to one. We're talking about, you know, prices that were over 20 to one at some point when these were getting posted. So it has come way, way down. I can't get there where it's at currently. I would still lean over on the win total of where, at the seven and a half. But I agree with you Some big question marks on the defense and against the right opponents. I don't know like I love this offense. 

31:07
Again, when they're going against, this has always been a UCF for me and I think why. You see, you know, when they're going against and it's almost like even transitioning coaching staffs here you put this team up against a bad defense or a lower tier opponent, they're gonna roll, yeah, I mean they're gonna drop 50, 60. So they're gonna keep it. I mean they're gonna drop 50 60, so they're gonna keep it rolling. They're gonna keep running their offense into the fourth quarter lightning tempo and all that um extra, you know, great home field advantage, uh, maybe the best outside, maybe outside of you best home field advantage in the conference? 

31:35
Um, love the bounce house, but I don't know. You know, when you put this team up against, uh, you know an at I Iowa State with that type of defense, a Matt Campbell defense at Utah, obviously they've got to go to the swamp and floor Like I just think I don't know if KJ Jefferson can be that efficient. You know, like that passing, that when they're going against better defenses it feels like this explosive offense tends to kind of go, and you know you start rolling up three and outs and then all of a sudden you're leaning on the defense and it's just. It feels like I've seen the same movie play out with ucf a lot of years. Um, and I don't think they can. I just don't see it in terms of being able to win this conference. 

32:14 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I do think they can get to eight wins though yeah, I I'm not huge on malls on, so I just he leaves the not always buttoned up. As far as I'm concerned. 

32:24 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That's a great way to put it. It's fun, it's really fun. 

32:30 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
If you don't believe me that they don't have high ups, look at last year's team. They beat Oklahoma State by 42. When they're rolling, I can see why some people if you really think they're going to get rolling this could be a top 20 team On a week-in and week-out basis, especially when you're playing a lot of competitive games. I just don't trust Malzahn to be totally buttoned up every week. So all right, there we go. There's UCF. See if we get another team here, west Virginia, a team that had a great season last year. Neil Brown saved his job. You know opportunities. Like Aranda is probably in a similar situation this year. We'll see if Aranda can do it, but Neil Brown, when the Chips were against him, he came through, to say the least. The West Virginia won nine games. 

33:10
As we're doing this, in the last 24 hours West Virginia took a little bit of money in the market Week one. The hooks are gone on that double-digit point spread against Penn State. It's a tough schedule, top 10 schedule in terms of difficulty. So even though I think they're a little bit better than last year's team that won nine games, I'm not running the window to bet over six and a half. That's how tough this schedule. The schedule was for West, for West Virginia. I know they don't play Utah, but other than that I mean you talk about the lack of slam dunk wins outside of Albany there's not a lot of slam dunk wins on this team's schedule this year. Outside of Albany. There's not a lot of slam dunk wins on this team's schedule this year. I'm not sure that they're as fortunate as what they were a year ago. 

33:46 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, you nailed it. I mean they did have some good luck last year and again, credit to Neil Brown for taking a team that almost everybody in the country was down on last year and probably getting the most out of that. He could Bring a lot back but again, it's not a lot of elite talent across the board. 

34:03 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You like Green at quarterback. 

34:09 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm lukewarm on him, to be honest. That's as high as I could go. On Green, they put super aggressive defense. They brought in a bunch of secondary transfers. That was kind of their weak point of the defense last year. I think Bottom quartile in the past defense and that. But again, it's a lot of different guys from you know, northwestern charlotte, duquesne. Those are the type of guys you're bringing in to try and fix the leaks that were on the back end of that defense and it's not you know, I'm not an elite physical defense up front. Um, I I think that I would lean under here. On the, like you said, the schedule, even though returning, I think, as you said, six it is a week in, week out schedule that back half and I don't I know the market's taking some love on them versus Penn State. I don't think they're going to beat Penn State but yeah, I kind of actually like the plus money on the under six and a half there. 

35:08 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You going to take it as the best bet, or are we going to move on? 

35:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm going to you know what, give that to you, because I think six and six is a good year with this schedule, with the type of team they have To me, I think, and that kind of I would keep Neil Brown if he does that. So at the end of the day, if it was juicier I wouldn't, but if I'm getting a plus 104 there on six and a half, yeah, I think it's a six and six type team. 

35:31 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That is the man to admit the legend himself, joey Knish under six and a half plus 104, west Virginia. I'm not rubber stamping it, I'm not opposed to it, I'm just that my numbers are six and a half, so I'm kind of neutral on that one. Let's talk tcu. You want to talk about high variance? Look no further than tcu's last two seasons national championship game appearance losing record. Uh, this year, what's the truth of this program, this team, I think somewhere in the middle. That's why we're sitting here with a win total of seven and a half. 

35:59
I think they're obviously better than last year's team. You know they don't have a ton returning back. Um, not wild about the quarterback. Sunny dykes can sometimes leave a lot to be desired. Uh, defense, we'll see if they can get back. They fired the defensive coordinator. We'll see if they can get back to to at least where they were down the stretch in 2022 schedule. You know, we're gonna know, I think by week three. All right, you three, I mean you could look at every game outside of LIU, the FCS opponent, and be like, oh, this is going to be a test, but Stanford game will give us a good context clue, and then a home game against UCF can be a big swing game for both teams and both programs for this year, and then that has some use. So, boy, seven and a half I'd probably lean under a little bit at least my current numbers. 

36:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm with you, it would be an under for me. I mean, it was like Joey Gillespie was the reason this team got to play in a conference championship, that defense. And then a couple years later he's out the window and Andy Avalos comes in. 

37:01 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm not wild about him. 

37:02 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, I'm not wild about him. I'm not wild about him. No, I'm not wild about him. I'm not wild about what they have at the quarterback position. I'm I'm under here, I think. 

37:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Best bet. 

37:12 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, Even at, even at one 50, that's still playable to me, Cause I tell you what I don't and I know this. 

37:21 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean we put Stanford's taking some money in that week. 

37:27 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
one game that line might be closing at seven now, the way the market's moving, yeah, I agree with you. And even if let's give them that, let's give them the LIU and it gets real tough, real quick, because they've got to go at SMU at Kansas, they've got UCF coming in at Utah and I don't think they think they scheduled not a lot of Big 12 favors on this one. I don't love both sides of the ball. To be honest with you. I know Dykes has always been a guy who kind of figures it out on offense. I don't know. I think they kind of got a very fortunate two years ago in getting that season out of Max Duggan. Then last year it look significantly worse and I don't know how much better it's going to look this year. Uh, on either side of the ball. So under seven and a half I'm with you, I'm rubber stamping it, baby another best bet Knish under seven and a half. 

38:13 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm okay with it. Uh, kansas next up a coach that we love. I mean how can you not considering what he's done in Kansas? I mean, we're looking at's funny in the state of Kansas. We might have another Bill Snyder-type situation, considering what Kansas was a decade prior to Leopold getting there. Obviously they're off back-to-back bowl games. Won nine games a year ago. 

38:34
Lots of expected out of Kansas this year. I'm a little lukewarm just because I mean for them to hit over 8.5 wins. Jalen Daniels has got to stay healthy. They don't have Jason Bean as the backup as the insurance policy this year. They're ultra-experienced at wide receiver running back skill position. I'm not wild about the line scrimmage on either side Losing on offense coordinator like Kotel Nikki. We'll see who is with Leopold back to his Wisconsin Whitewater days. I think that's a little bit under the radar loss If we're diving deep. They don't have home. Not that they've ever had a home field advantage, but in recent years they've been selling out home games. Now they've got to travel to a soccer stadium for a couple of games and then they're playing games in Arrowhead where they've got to drive an hour. So that's not a typical home field advantage for Kansas there. I guess what I'm getting at is, even though I love Leopold, I bet under eight and a half. 

39:31 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, you know it's funny. As you said, there's a number of things I can't go under. On a Leopold man, I just love to go to staff too much. But you nailed it on a few things of, like, how much does the OC, you know, losing the OC matter? How much of it was, you know, can they transition that, as you mentioned, with the home field a little bit wonky there for the season, they're going to type ahead. And you nailed, I mean, can Daniel stay? They don't have the again that bad. I, meanason bean, won them a lot of games. Uh, you know the last, I mean, that was might be one of the most underrated college players. Uh, to come in again. 

40:11
So, yeah, that that first 22, if you, just if you took away all the stuff we just talked about out of it and gave me like that first 22 with uh, you'd be like, yeah, baby, this team, this team can win the conference. Um, there's just a lot of other factors there that that make it. I don't want to go over on the eight and a half. Um, if anything, it'd be more of uh, I'd rather, I'd rather and I'm not. I don't think. But if I had to bet one of these two. I would rather sprinkle the 10 to 1 conference than I would take the eight and a half um, just because I think the upside is there, but also lack of depth, mixed with those other off-the-field factors that we're talking about, Mixed with the half unit, quarter unit on 10-1?. 

40:56
Let me see. 

40:59 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
If Daniel stays healthy. 

41:03 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, because I can't get to the top two teams. You know I'm not a Gundy guy in Oklahoma State. Ucf's been bet down too much. To me it's either an Iowa State or a Kansas and I think Kansas just has a higher ceiling than Iowa State does personnel-wise. 

41:20 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So you're doing a quarter unit, half unit, 10-1?. 

41:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, give me a little rock. Jump, baby, you've got to have some fun. Yeah. 

41:27 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Plus. I mean this is Marketing 101. I'll put the tout hat on. From a show perspective, if we've got a nice 10-1, juicy and it's coming down the end of the season, it would be good for the show, just like New Mexico State was last year for the show. So just saying 10-1. We've got to have something. Iowa State next up Team. 

41:48
You didn't talk about returning production 20, 20 returning starters and a lot of the rankings that are out there. Number one returning production in the entire country. Matt Campbell you know when expectations are high, like they were a couple years ago, didn't meet those expectations, to say the least. When they were really low last year Met him and then they got to a bowl game. Didn't handle the bowl game too well, though as a favorite. So some more expectations this year. It will be interesting to see how he handles it. 

42:19
I think you just say finishing up Kansas. I think that's why I kind of lean towards your 10 to one there. I think this, this talent level and this style of play, has a ceiling. So it makes sense that when not much is expected, they consistently play at this level it doesn't matter their experience level and then they all play within that system that three, three, five defense. Relatively, you know they had some more upside at quarterback than we expected last year with Rocco Beck. But how much better does he get? It's not like they have four and five-star talent, he just gets a lot out of his three stars but even though they're back for three, four years as starters, they don't consistently get better. They hit that peak and hit it early and just remain there. That's why I haven't been wild about Iowa State. A remain there. That's why I haven't been wild about iowa state a. Lot of people are betting their futures. I'm I. I don't think the upside is a big 12 championship for this team. 

43:13 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I, I don't see it either. Bet the win total early and that's about it. No, I, you know what. I love that breakdown on your side of it there. I, just I, I I'm gonna relay a lot of things there. It's just the ceiling. 

43:21
And iowa state, you know, under Matt Campbell and even before Matt Campbell, has really never been that elite Big 12 champion type of team. And even if you want to call this a watered-down version without Oklahoma and Texas, there's still a lot of good teams in this league this year and this feels to me like a classic, overrated returning production type team. Not a lot of elite returning production. It's a good team. I mean I don't think this team, you know, falls off a cliff or any of that or does it. But again, I mean you see it just in the win total there, you know pretty much a flat on the seven and a half. 

44:00
Again, they bring some nice pieces back, had some, you know some highs last year, but I I don't think brockwell back's an elite player. Uh, I don't think any of their, their guys on the outside, I know that. I mean they brought in a couple of guys from army and north dakota state, uh, and a couple other. You know slot targets there. So and again that the 3 it. Let me see if I can. There was a time when that you would Campbell that three, three, five defense, when everybody in this conference was running a spread offense where he had a distinct advantage against most of the conference Cause he ran a defense that a lot of these schools did Couldn't figure out. 

44:40 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Now everybody has five defensive backs. 

44:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, now everybody's running that system and a lot of the, a lot of just schools in the conference itself don't really run that pass. Even Texas Tech doesn't really run the same. You know, it used to be like that every year Matt Campbell versus Texas Tech was like a auto bet because they couldn't run their offense against them. A lot of schools don't run that type of uh, you know, just standard five wide spread anymore. A lot of schools run three, three, five on defense. I think what made him special and probably why he should have took, you know one of those big paying jobs you could have got and you know three, you know two, three years ago. I think it's just kind of a meh now. So, yeah, I I'm not in love with uh, I I have no interest in this team from a futures perspective and I think the wind totals kind of about spot on at seven and a half. 

45:25 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, and is he? Look, I think Matt Campbell's pretty good coach, but is he better than Ferentz? Let's look at some of that. Is he better than Willie Fritz, neil Brown, is he considerably better at Kansas? I mean, that's another reason why I kind of like the not better than him. Not better at winning Ham's new to the conference. He's not better at winning him climbing at Kansas state. I just he doesn't have this coach. 

45:49 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
And we. I know we haven't done the big 10 preview yet, but I'll get a best bet material Cause I know we go a little off the rear game of the year. Oh, cy Hawk, give me the. I was. There's some plus threes out there on Iowa State at Iowa, give me the clones. Baby, give me the plus three. 

46:08 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We haven't done the Big Ten yet, but I'll give you a hint on my You're reacting to. I know what you're reacting to. You're reacting to a scrimmage performance. 

46:17 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, there was some. Let me tell you I'm not a believer in the Iowa offense. I think I liked it, even at the plus 2.5 minus 102 and some money line. I think this game should be pick and if you want to shop that around. But even at those, I think the clones, I like that one in that game of the year. I think they beat Iowa outright. 

46:41 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
For those watching that Fandle. Did they have a money line up on that, zach? 

46:45 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, plus 116 there that you showed back on the money line. 

46:50 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
There you go money line. Since you can't get to three, might as well take the money line there, yeah no, I agree, and I think that closes lower at least Okay. 

47:00 - Zack Phillips (Ad)
Wow. 

47:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Plus money in that I think will be okay and I know some of plus money in that I think will be uh, be okay and I know some of those, some of the history in that game's a little wonky not favorable for Iowa state. 

47:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm stunned by this folks. I mean I I know it was a really really, really, really, really bad scrimmage and I don't like Iowa this year, but I mean, to win a Kinnick is something that Iowa state doesn't do. 

47:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Hey, you don't do it until you do it, baby. All right, I hope he is going to I don't know what, what cities that's doing school in nowadays. I was what? 

47:38 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
the city or what? 

47:39 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, what cities? I would say it in again Ames, ames, iowa, ames, ames, vampire. We're taking aimes at the CyHawk this year and taking it from Des Moines back home, where it belongs. So yeah, give me Iowa State in that baby. 

47:53 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Folks, that is Joey Kanish. He's normally the star of the show. He really is the star of this one taking bets left and right here in this Big 12 preview. Arizona's next. Another coach that we like Uh, I like Brennan. 

48:05
I'm not sure that I like the personnel this year for Arizona, even though everybody's talking up the return of the feet at quarterback, uh, mcmillan at wide receiver. The problem I have is on both sides of the line of scrimmage I'm they love the offensive line, I don't. They lost their best player and man. The replacements I don't think are great and that defensive front I'm not wild about. I think it's a pretty decent hire long-term. Obviously, brennan's got some roots there. 

48:29
At Arizona, jed Fish left the program in better shape than expected, to say the least, considering what he inherited from someone. On the surface, if you're not deep diving, you see 13 returning starters. You see Arizona off a double digit win season. The quarterback's back. You know a possibility of an all American and wider, uh wide receiver. I could see why. You know Joe Q, public would like Arizona this year. The market says different under and again hate to bring it up, but I know a lot of your loyal listeners. One of the best bets that you could have made is, if you're watching, hit the book. Several months ago, we went under eight and a half wins, so much so that your boy, uh, mr Tent, threw a hissy fit on Twitter after we gave that one out, because we're giving them out too many good edges. 

49:15 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, and that that was a real good one. Uh, I mean, cause we're talking, talking, you usually don't get uh full win yeah, a full like full, though even including the jew like full win there. Yeah, I like, I like that one quite a bit so hopefully you know if you're, if you're a new listener, baby, you gotta. 

49:32
You gotta turn it on earlier in the summer. Uh, and credit to fan duel for posting those uh being up first with uh, almost all the win totals. But yeah, that was one like a lot, because I agree with you. I think Jed Fish man, like that beautiful woman who just you know, finds a new guy, you know a new guy to date every year. The guy won't stick anywhere but he's a I really think some of it was underselling what an offensive. I mean. I remember when he was at Michigan they had a great offensive, almost like borderline offensive genius. He can make it really work almost in any scenario. And I just again Brennan nice hire. 

50:11
Don't think he's that level of coach to be able to come in and immediately take, with a decent amount of returning here, kind of take the mail from Fish and bring it up level. I don't see it. Again, I like eight and a half, a lot better than seven and a half. But if I had to play it you go under. I'd still be leaning the under on the seven and a half to, even though a couple of cakewalks the first two weeks. But it's a program that I just don't think has the the requisite depth in a lot of places, like Fish was able to kind of put in that offense. You're going to need that type of offensive output again to get to eight wins with this team or to get to nine wins. I just don't see it. 

50:53 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm worried about that defensive front. Yeah, yeah, they just lost pretty much everybody. They got a couple guys, they had Manu at linebackers pretty good. They got some some bits and pieces, but uh, hopefully you're watching under eight and a half, I can't double back and say under seven and a half, it just moved too much. Uh, oklahoma state's next, another team that's seen their win total moves significantly. I think you and I might go ahead to end here. Oh, maybe. Yeah, I think at one point and I think some people pointed out out to us, they brought up one of these podcasts we were talking about. Hey, this might be it for Gundy, there's an off-the-field stuff. 

51:27 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Last season. There's a quote of me saying that I think Mike Gundy's going to be fired at the end of the year, which some Oklahoma State fans still go back and find. 

51:36 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
But here's the thing they probably wanted him fired too after the South Alabama game. I probably wanted him fired too after the south alabama game. Yeah, I mean I'm sure I could pick up stuff out of there's that message board geniuses on, uh, you know that's on x, that I'm sure you, I could have pulled it up after that game or during that game the live feed on their message board, and I'm sure they wanted to kill a guy, uh, losing by four touchdowns in south alabama. So at one point you look pretty sharp, uh, sharper than normal, um, and then they around the season, I mean a little bit of fool's gold, but uh, then you know kudos, he got to the big 12 championship game. He does what he normally does, he wins football games and this year's team is better than last year's team, maybe even significantly. 

52:12
So I'm not sure that it necessarily reflects in the record. I mean for it to be that the case. I mean we're talking about a legitimate playoff team to top the 10-win season from a year ago. I mean I like Ali Gordon coming back. I like a lot of the parts coming back. I'm not wild about the quarterback, though, bowman, but five returning starters on the offensive line. Defense has to be better At least. You'd like to see a little bit more consistency. I'm a big part of the pro positions on Oklahoma State over win total to win the conference You're going to sell. You're going under eight and a half here. 

52:45
Yeah, I'm going under, we're going to go head to head because I would still go over eight and a half. I just where are the losses At Kansas State? Maybe that's the only underdog role I have them in. 

52:55 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean Maybe. 

52:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Utah. 

52:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't think they beat Utah. I mean, listen, don't undersell the Jackson week one baby. That is the best FCS program in the country coming in and they play the same style of ball. So it's not like you're gonna be able to bully ball this FCS opponent. Um, I, I just again, again, I will give them this. They, gundy, took over and I'll give them all the credit in the world for this like quarter of the season through and said we need to scrap this offense. We're going down. You know this like zone read is over with, we're going to bully ball with Ollie Gordon and it worked. It worked tremendously. 

53:35 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
All the guys are back. 

53:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Man, come on yeah and those guys are back. However, you know what else is that? It's all on. A lot of that now, I think, is I don't know if you go load up, if you go load up against this front that Alan Bowman can be a quarterback, that that, like, if you're a guy, if I'm going against this team, I'm putting 11 in the box. I'm doing, I'm challenging Alan Bowman to see what he's got in this team and I agree they did get some favorable marks there in terms of the schedule. But it's almost a little Iowa State-ish here because I don't think a lot of these pieces are elite pieces that they brought back here, especially a quarterback. I think maybe a little bit's out of the box there with the Olly Gordon. 

54:19
What they want to do, yeah, I don't I don't love this in terms of a conference future or an overtime bet. So, yeah, I'm good with the head to head on this one. I don't think they're a threat to win the big 12 oh, wow, I think they are. 

54:31 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Uh. So I just trust gundy. I mean the only two guys to win more football games in gundy in the last decade, plus you might have heard of them dabble sweeney and nick saban. So, uh, he wins and I, I like the personnel on this year's team, uh, but it's funny, you're not an alan bowman guy, but you're a jack tuttle guy. I just see. You see how you pick and choose what I mean. Just that same guy, hey well wait for the big 10 preview. 

54:56 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Don't wear that. A little teaser there. I mean, what's the difference? Um, but for that difference, tune into the big 10 preview. Don't wear that A little teaser there. 

55:00 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean, what's the difference? But for that difference, tune into the Big Ten preview and listen to how Jack Tuttle is the answer for the Michigan Wolverines, utah's next newcomer to the conference. And obviously I'm really tight with these power rings. If you think they sounded like out of position, keep in mind I got 10 teams within a touchdown. So we're talking decimal points here. We have a difference between utah and kansas state. Uh, utah's next. Obviously the. 

55:27
The storyline for utah is not only the first year in the big 12, but camera the return of cam rising. Utah was completely decimated a quarterback last year, like most season, actually playing with third string guy because the cameron rose kid. Uh was a kid that, or or Brandon Rose is his name. He was expected to be the starter and he got hurt in fall camp. So the offense should be much improved, to say the least. I liked what they did in the portal at wide receiver. So I think rising provided he's healthy big question mark has some weapons to actually throw it to. 

55:55
We'll see if Keithy can come back healthy after being out two years. You got like winning him. All he does is win. Similar to Gundy. You gotta like Utah at the line of scrimmage. Uh, I think they deserve to obviously be a co favorite here in the league with Kansas State yeah, um, you know not, obviously not running to play the price at the rat, but a deserved oh, not nine and a half wins yeah, health is the kind of the key determination I mean they had. 

56:22 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They had so many guys not just rising but a lot of pieces on offense go down. Last year all their big-name pieces, micah Bernard, kuthie, and so it's just one of those that I think this is the best team you know player-to-player in the conference. But it's all going to ride on the health of Ken Cam rising. Stay healthy, because behind that don't have, don't really love, you know what they're having. The third string obviously was not particularly great last year, so think for the deserve fave if they can stay healthy. I mean Kyle Whittingham, you always love what he did. Their home field advantage, their defense you never really have to worry about in terms of being a very good physical unit, so deserve favorite here. Um, just just obviously can't get to the price with all the teams we've talked about in the competition in this conference yeah, I mean that utah. 

57:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You can make a case that their strength of schedule has actually gotten weaker this year. But again, not a lot of slam dunk wins outside of you know the non-conference games, uh, and they'll be favored in majority of these games. It's just not like, keep in mind when you're doing a win total, oh, just because they're favored at ucf slightly doesn't mean you automatically write that down as a w? Uh, there are percentages you got to use. So I actually think some of these prices I'm seeing with the, the over nine and a half really juiced. Well, if I ever got a 10 and some of these books are getting close to that 10 range I'd actually go under Kansas state's last and and, and certainly not least, I like what Chris Kleinman's doing here. 

57:49
Uh, avery Johnson, the new quarterback. There's a reason why will Howard's not the quarterback. It's not because he, you know, ran to Ohio state. It's because Avery Johnson likely was going to be the starting quarterback for Kansas State. Whether Will Howard was going to be there or not, kansas State comes off a nine-win season a year ago. 

58:06
There's some bits and pieces coming back, to say the least. Obviously you look at running back. They're loaded there. When you look at Giddens and bringing in a transfer like Dylan Edwards from Colorado, that's a great one-two punch there in different styles Defense a little bit better than the offense. As far as returning production, I mean they lost a couple of under-the-cover guys. I know this is in the weeds, but their tight end Senate was really good and their guard, cooper Beebe, was as good of an offensive guard as any in college football. So there's some question marks here, but I just think it's a team. Why they're right here is I don't think it's very high variance. You know what you're getting from them and they're not going six and six this year. It's just you know. Are they winning eight? Are they winning nine? Are they winning ten? 

58:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
that's kind of where I'm at yeah, no, I I like the way you put that of where, like it's say very know what you get, type of team. And climbing Kleinman, it was just that. I mean, he was that way in North Dakota State, he's been that way at Kansas State. You kind of, since he's got it rolling, you kind of know what you're getting with him and what they're going to run on offense and they're going to be. You know they're going to be extremely solid on defense and mirroring a lot of ways Utah and Kansas State kind of very we We'll call them similar programs at the top of the conference here, with established coaches, established styles of play. So again, colin Klein as OC, you know what that could be. 

59:29
That Receiver, phil Brooks, who I like there. So again, the Dylan Edwards pickup is very nice. We kind of know what they'll want to do. I may have not. And again, I like Avery Johnson. I'm not one of those that thinks he's like the next comer. They're like any type of Heisman, that type of player. So yeah, it's just one to me kind of similar down there in Florida. 

59:53 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Ain't going to like that. You're Kansas state alum, yeah yeah. 

59:57 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Well, I mean, I just I don't see I don't know if I see the ceiling for this team as conference winner there and so obviously can't play the price there again just just kind of think it's really a very low variance. Everything's kind of priced where it should be, don't don't have any real hot takes or anything to say outside of that and don't have any bets on them. So I'm just kind of one of those. They'll be in the mix, uh, but not one that I want to put money on. Maybe a team that here I'll give you something that we can actually chew of if they can lose. Let's see state football. Let me get that. 

01:00:32 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Just have this yeah, where are they gonna lose? That's why that's I kind of like their schedule better than utah's. Just oklahoma state's at home. Kansas is at home. 

01:00:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
If they can trip up in one of the, if an Arizona or an Oklahoma or your dynasty Oklahoma State beats them in the first month, then you might be talking about buying this team and all along that'll be the point to close it with. This is the conference where I think you'll get some great buying opportunities during the year to take some teams that lose a game and then be able to get them at much more advantageous. 

01:01:09 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Are they going to keep the markets posted? The conference futures. 

01:01:13 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Well, we'll have to talk to our friends and make sure they do. 

01:01:16 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, let's talk to our friends at FanDuel and make sure that they leave some of the playoff odds. And this is another one where you play playoff stuff. If you think, oh, I think they can still win the conference, we can double back. Obviously somebody's making the playoffs from this conference. Yep, you got an automatic qualifier so you can double up there. I think they can win the conference. I can bet them in the playoff market too. So, fun conference. I'll have the superstar of the show, producer extraordinaire, zach Phillips. Recap our best bets Several best bets, particularly from Kanishk. We had some head-to-head on Oklahoma State. We had a prior head-to-head on Colorado. Recap the best bets for me. Zach, I'm sorry. 

01:01:55 - Zack Phillips (Ad)
So for the Big 12, we've got four total best bets. Arizona was given out earlier that was back in Aprilil, and we took under eight and a half wins minus 170. We have west virginia under six and a half wins at plus 105, we've got tcu under seven and a half wins minus 150 and we have kansas to win the big 12 at 10 to 1. And as for our head-to-heads that we've got for this one, we've got the Colorado that was taken a while ago 5.5 wins, knish has the over Powers at the under. And finally, added here today, oklahoma State 8.5 wins, knish under Powers over. 

01:02:34 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Excellent job, Zach. That is the star of the show, Zach Phillips, and the man behind the scenes. Alright, you got any closing thoughts. That's a fun conference. 

01:02:46 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think it's going to be a fun conference every year. I agree. I mean, this is one that I don't yet. I totally not a one-year wonder baby. This is the new Big 12. I love it and I think we'll see some exciting action and great games every week. 

01:02:59 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
All right For every week. All right for the man, the myth, the legend himself, joey Kanisha. Producer extraordinaire, zach Phillips, I'm merely Brad Powers. Thank you once again to everyone that watched and also thank you once again to fan to our new sponsor you just watched hit the books are the hammer betting network. You.