00:04 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
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01:17
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01:48 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We're about six, seven weeks out here, uh season yeah, you know what it's like, how, uh, you know some of the girls do the the summer beach. Uh, diet before going in. I'm on the college football die. You know, I gotta drop a few. You know, get the hair in line. New rumors, new sponsor maybe for for the show this fall here that we'll be releasing here, uh, soon in the next couple weeks. But, uh, yeah, the, yeah, well, and thank you, chuck. I I pre, you know it's when, when you're actually sitting up, you tend to, you tend to have a little bit better posture. So, back's feeling good baby. I'm, uh, you know, getting back into great clips, actually great clips. Uh, you know, I'm on my girl gina, great clips, actually great clips. I'm on my girl Gina at great clips looking it up. So yeah, she did a nice job. But, yeah, good to be. I can feel it getting closer. I saw BP service release today. Market's steaming a little bit on that. And then here we go, baby Ready to get the season rolling. 

02:45 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, it's a little early, I mean for week one, but I thought I'd test it out. Make sure everybody's on their toes, see how fast stuff's going to move, make sure everybody gets it. So yeah, we released our first week one play today. So that'll be good there, let's just dive right into it. I mean, the chat was active, to say the least, a couple hours even before the show. Trevor is first. That's a first for Trevor being the first one. Caesars I had seen this. Two alternate lines open up for a majority of power four teams Super juicy, but Clemson under 10, minus 400. As soon as they drop to Georgia, they'd have to go winless, not to push at minimum. You know, I haven't dived into them. A couple people told me that there might be some value there. Have you hit any of these alternates? Obviously, but I mean I'd rather just we had what? Under 9.5 at minus 130, 10 at minus 400. I don't know what the math's adding up there. You're better at math than me. 

03:45 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, but I agree with you there. And, as you said, I don't know what the math's adding up there. You're better at math than me. No, but I agree with you there. And as you said, I mean Clemson, under one of my favorite that we talked about on the show, one of the favorite power five win totals under nine and a half. Because I agree, I don't see a scenario where they're winning that Georgia game, especially with some of the early returns on how that is this Georgia, the Carson Beck offense and all that. 

04:04
But to lay minus 400 there, yeah, I just I think you're kind of chasing. I would rather. You know, trevor, I'd rather go out and lay it. I know you know sometimes your mind gravitates toward like no way this can lose. I'll pay a lot of juice for an under 10. I'd almost be looking for like an under at the best price. I can get an alternate on the other way for like an under eight and a half or something you know, even if they're the type of team that if I found like a crazy price on a seven and a half. 

04:47
I would sprinkle that because I think there's a wow, you were that down on clemson, I'm not. I think they have that type of variance in terms of like, maybe it's actually over for the, for the dabbo regime, um, and the fact that they didn't really load up on a lot any transfer depth, so I'm not too kind. You know, if they have a rash of injuries, what does this team look like after a few weeks? And I just think we'm not too. You know, if they have a rash of injuries, what does this team look like after a few weeks? And I just think we've talked about it, you know, multiple times. Just think the ACC has got a little bit. You know, I think South Carolina is better, I think Louisville is live in that game. I don't think you know these Clemson games which were like automatic dubs NC state coming in, wake, forest coming in. I know it's crazy. 

05:24
Stanford, a team that we're both high on, app State, a team that I think has a bounce back year. There's just more games on this schedule. That for a team that's lined like this to lose, whereas I think Trevor, you know what, I would go a little bit. The alternate way Would I want to lay a minus 400, though Probably not Also just the capital. Hold on that. Like we I know brad, and brad plays more than I do, we both play a ton of future you don't see us really laying that type of number unless it's really really really good. Um, and I don't recall. I mean, what's the most we've, uh, you've team, maybe 200. Yeah, yeah, I think there was a. 

06:06
Temple, one that we played. That was like minus 195 or something Other than that. Just you're not getting a ton of ROI there. Bang for the buck on that, holding your money up for four, five, six months. 

06:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah. So I'm going to say a few things. Half wins right around 70 cents. Again, if you're really down on clams and just shop around nine and a half still out there you can lay like minus 150 under nine and a half. I'd rather just play that if you're that down on the team. 

06:33
Uh two, this is in the weeds. This is really. You're never gonna hear this from any other show, but there's been this hurricane. Hurricane burl has been going, the historic hurricane, earliest cat five. They never had a storm like this. It's supposed to be a super active, uh, hurricane season. What am I getting at? Is I? There could be a lot of cancellations. You know they're pretty quick now and they don't play through. They like to play through weather too much. Would you want to have your money tied up minus 400 all season when, when you got a clemson team that's on the coast playing a lot of coastal teams, what if one of their games gets canceled and you just, you know I had all that money held up for all that time just to get it back. I just I don't know if it's a proper roi and in that regard. 

07:20 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So again, agreed and they usually they won't pay you back out on that until the season. 

07:24 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Almost any book, yeah, I mean obviously get your money back, but they don't again. They don't pay out until december, till the last regular season game's over, so I think we're gonna have quite a few of them from the reading the tea leaves. Uh, as far as the hurricane, I'm not sure we're gonna have a lot of. I think we'll might have five or six or more teams only playing 11 games this year, so that that would suck for for a guy. That's about almost every single team's win total. So again, if you like, under 10, I mean I would just put under nine and a half minus like one 50 ish. 

07:53
That would be my recommendation there. I do think they lose the Florida state. They lose the Georgia and one of the other teams Virginia tech NC state. One of those will get. Clip them Austin in the chat Guys first time back after last season. I like to see it. Welcome back Austin. 

08:07
Really liking Boise this year. Do you prefer over nine wins minus 120, over nine and a half plus 110, or to win the Mountain West plus 140? Doing my quick math, over nine minus 120, I think sounds good. There that's certainly the better one, the nine and a half plus 110. I bet them over their win total. I bet them they win the Mountain West. I think they're about on a neutral field. They're at least a touchdown better than the second-best team in the Mountain West. So I like Boise, I concur. I think I even bet them to make the playoff this year. So I do like Boise quite a bit. For obvious reasons. Gent team might be the best group of five player in the country. I like the coaching staff. I like cutter calling the plays. I think they upgraded on the defensive side of the ball as far as who's calling plays there. I like the team quite a bit, provided Malachi Nelson comes close to living up to that five-star billing, this is the best Boise. Is it a Chris Peterson Boise team? 

09:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, but it's maybe the best boise team we've seen in the last six, seven, eight years. Yeah, I would agree. I mean the the nine 120 is. That is definitely better than the. The nine and a half one, yeah, you know, significantly. So. However, if you want to make the, I mean I'll just play devil's advocate. They do play at oregon, at georgia southern, in the non-con. Um again, they should be favored over georgia southern and that and win that. But if you want to take the mountain West price, you're kind of taking the. 

09:30
We've talked about it on the show a few times that there really isn't a second T. You know that the teams that have been live in the mountain West and the, you know the Joey K crystal clear air conference for for a while, utah States, you know the San Diego states, the San Jose states, um, even you know Wyoming, craig Bull retires, you know. But a lot of those teams that were pretty live, uh, in a number of years, uh, you know low yet and I'll never forget. You know Logan, utah, for the day, I bet. But they're all kind of on the down slope on this year, at least what it appears in the offseason. So I might talk myself a little bit into the plus 140 there. 

10:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I bet exactly a plus 140. 

10:12 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I made that bet yeah, so yeah if you got that, that's probably the best of the three because I think it takes out the non-convariance of like maybe Georgia Southern pulls the upset at home, they lose to Oregon. 

10:24 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I hope not I laid, laid it? 

10:27 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't think so. But I mean you, you, there's a chance you're sitting at o and two, but then your plus 140 is still very, very live. Um, and if anything, if they did start o and two, we'd probably be doubling down on some better numbers there for the mountain west. So, um, but I agree, I think. Uh, either way you slice it there, boise, obviously they look good. 

10:47 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Hopefully they get after Georgia Southern pretty good. That's kind of a cool not early. 

10:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I agree that is a retreat. I like games like that. 

10:53 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'll give you a couple Coast Carolina, jacksonville State's a good week one matchup. You'll say that I'm an idiot, but I think Eastern Michigan, even Massachusetts, I mean it's a pick them. I will get to learn about both teams At least. I like games like that. 20 MC, 20 in the chat. Please stop me before I place a bet on Iowa over seven and a half. I mean, I hear you, there's not a lot of guaranteed losses outside of Ohio state on the schedule. They'll be favored and maybe 10 or 11 games. I just McNamara I don't think is going to be good to go Now. They did get the insurance policy that Sullivan came from Northwestern. Yeah, I just honestly, I just think they were. I mean, historically speaking, they were the only team in college football history to have that bad of an offense and win that many games last year. 

11:43 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Maybe they're much better this year. Margin, we said by that many games last year, maybe they're much better this year. Margin, we said by like five games or something. 

11:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yes, no, I don't think anyone had ever winning record before with that kind of offense, and they won 10 games. So I just when you see something like that. Maybe they're much better this year. But for whatever reason, game luck just isn't going to fall their way and they lose three, four close games and and plus the buckeye game. So, no, I'm not there with iowa, are you? 

12:10 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
no, uh, if anything, I'm, I'm up I know there's eights popping up. 

12:14 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
People are buying the iowa right I go. 

12:17 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Maybe you know they're on the other side of. There's some people definitely on the other side of that coin, uh, in the market. So I listen, I'll respect that, those opinions, but I don't. I just don't see. I don't think Cade McNamara is. 

12:31
You know, one of the things when he was leaving Michigan is they didn't know if he'd be healthy enough to play. I mean, even in the spring at Iowa last year, like I don't know if he's going to be healthy, as you said, to play football again. And so then your your offense, as you said, to play football again. And so then your your offense, and the offensive line recruiting and the guys they have up front is not what it used to be, and I think the defense just can't be as good as it was last year, you know. Plus, I think again they got they got some breaks with the schedule, for sure, but when you have that kind of morbid offense, every game is losable. 

13:08
Illinois State is not a guarantee. I mean, like you know, you got Troy coming in, like those are not. I just don't think you can say, like this team has, and again, as you just pointed out, if you get the other side of the coin on that bad variance, as they got all the good variance last year. You could be looking at a team that's having trouble going bowling. So yeah, it would be under nothing for me. 

13:34 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Former preseason publication. I used to work for Iowa 11th. Can you believe that In his PRs? I think projected in his top 40, not in the power rating. 

13:47 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think he's just projecting, Maybe some people are still stealing the market info there and placing wagers on it. 

13:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm not buying it, Charles. Charles, usually first in the chat, were you sleeping? 

14:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
in Charles, yeah, well, yeah, hopefully you were a little busy this morning because we didn't see you until the show. 

14:07 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, over under halves. Oli Gordon has to sit out Half. What are you taking, oli Gordon? Since you and I last talked? We didn't have a show last week due to Canada Day. Oli Gordon gets. You know, I don't get it. I don't get why any major football program doesn't have a car service, but uh, he got busted speeding and drinking. Does he sit out? Uh, I don't know, I'm 50, 50 if he sits out, like the first half against south dakota state. They got a very tricky start of the season south dakota state and arkansas, both at home. Both games they should win, but neither ones are. Neither one of those games is a layout by any stretch of imagination, so I'm not sure it's early enough in the off season where maybe he has some. 

14:53
Just just you know he has to. I don't know I he might sit out a first possession or something that's what I was. 

15:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was just gonna, you got me, I was gonna, I would say under on halves. Maybe he doesn't get the start in that game. And then, after they go three and out and you know South Dakota State, you know scores first, then he's back on the field and they're like, oh my God, we can't lose. So yeah, maybe a series, but no, if they were playing you know Missouri Tech Community College, then maybe they, you know, sit him out, but no, when you got a real game like that listen, it is what it is I would say under for sure Charles, also in the chat, season's not too far away. 

15:35 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean we're closing in now. I think six weeks from Saturday is week zero. Where are you guys at in your off-season prep Still picking off win totals? Coming back on some overreactions, yeah, moving towards week zero, week one, I'm wrapping it up. I mean I'm not, I've I'm not gonna advertise the tout service, but I got my preview coming out on wednesday. I, I'm looking to take, you know, a vacation or so coming up. So I, it's, it's slow for me, but I tell you, uh, there's some other markets opening up, like a fan duel opening up to some fcs games and whatnot. I, I just I'm usually not getting to that until august. I mean, some of these sports books are forcing the issue on me. Where I gotta, I gotta be prepping stuff a little bit earlier than I expected. But usually I take a couple weeks, or not even a couple weeks, a week off in july and then uh, work on some different stuff, uh, different markets in august yeah, I would, I would agree. 

16:28 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think you know what we both trying. Uh, you know, did you get that? 

16:32 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
bet in on that one I'm not going to mention at all. Did you get it? 

16:36 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'll talk to you after the show on it. Um, but the uh that I didn't see a move. 

16:42
I was curious so the, uh, the, I think both of us try and make some early entry um, I and I do some running for a few guys here to, you know, as we get a little closer, if they want some. 

16:54
But I agree a lot of like the, the prep work, um, and you know stuff I need to do like the, the readings and stuff like that is it's kind of closed out um, I'll do some. You know people, uh, you know our friend of the show 10 will put out some previews. I'll read through, you know those as they're coming out or um. So as we get closer, some other people will put out some more previous stuff that I'll just freshen up on um. But I'd say most of the market entry stuff, um is is pretty much in now um, and then maybe it ramps up a little bit a week, you know a week or two beforehand when some additional liquidity gets in there I'll tell you what I you know for the most part what I'm betting that news that's starting to get the news cycle, like you know. 

17:35 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
When that the news broke on utah state last week you know I fired not that it was a big bet, because I remember all what happened with northwestern last year, how that worked out for him betting win totals there. But I bet Utah State under five and a half when the Gary Anderson stuff was happening. Maybe they'll have a couple guys transfer out, I mean, who knows. So that's the type of stuff I'm betting now and then we're not too far out. I mean a couple weeks, especially for those few week zero teams practice will be starting. So I mean I'll weeks, uh, especially for those week those few week zero teams practice will be starting. So I mean I'll start focusing on actually reading about practice reports. 

18:09 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So that's kind of the plan there I was going to say some fall camp info is probably the next. Uh, if you have a big injury, quarterback injury, how does certain? You know we we've talked plenty of michigan this cycle, but I want to see is the offensive line healthy? Who's getting reps at the, the QB? You know that type of thing on some teams that might have more question marks at certain positions. So yeah, the next thing is is any major fall camp info or injury? 

18:34 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Austin in the chat thoughts on Wake Forest over four and a half for state to make the playoffs, plus 185. I bet wake. You know I bet a lot of teams, but Wake Forest over four and a half is in my pocket. I made it five. I'd like to know where the Florida State to make the playoffs is plus 185 because I'm looking I can't find anything right now. Over 160. I'm not going to say anything more than that. You got any thoughts on either one of those. 

18:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't, to be honest with you, I don't, I don't love it. I would say one I agree with the first on the first part, the Wake Forest yep, I like the over there lean with your position as well. Florida State am I running to the window even at 185? I know you're probably getting the best. I don't know where you're shopping it but you're getting the best in market. 

19:22 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That is best in market number. I'm never gonna tell anybody no. 

19:25 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm best to Market fair, but of the you know what um. 

19:30 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I bet a little Florida State to win the ACC at three to one yeah, I just I, I'm a little bit more and you know what. 

19:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think the schedule actually, you know, plays out well for a couple of teams that I like in the ACC. They don't have on there, um, and again. 

19:44
He's at home right, we've already talked the the clemson uh themselves. So, yeah, I wouldn't you know what I? I would agree with your statement that I'm not going to talk to somebody. I've taken a best in market price, even if I think the team maybe isn't as good as last year. The way the schedule sets up, um, and you know the fact that you're getting a good price, hey, I, I'm not going to talk you off it. 

20:05 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yes, I think they're going to be a little bit better than expected. Even Norvell said this is his best team that he's had. I don't know if I agree with that. Last year's team had better depth, at least on paper in my opinion. But I do like the front-line players. I think that defensive line even though losing Verst and Fisk and I don't want to go down a rabbit hole and preview for state deep dive but I think the defensive line is going to be better than expected. Peyton on the outside they got a Georgia transfer, marvin Jones Jr. That's going to be really good. I think they got some weapons there, provided they do an all right job with DJ, and I think they will. 

20:50
So I kind of bullish on Florida state, season 20, mc 20 back in the chat uh, brad, you guys didn't get to them. On the other, not to be named podcast oh, okay, I. I was confused there for a second. Curious to hear your thoughts on Arizona state. I can't see a path to five wins. Yeah, I can't either. The only hang up I would have on uh, arizona state would be man, they were such a tough luck team as far as injuries last year. I mean they had. 

21:05
I was rereading some stuff. I mean they had a tryout for anybody on campus to play offense and you hear it like for kicker and stuff, like you hear that every year they were anybody that's 300 pounds to play some offensive line snaps. That's how poor it was last year for Arizona State and they didn't quit on the season. I mean they still, you know they want a couple of games down the stretch. Almost beat Washington. Probably should have won that game. If you rewatch it, uh, they're in better shape across the board but don't love the quarterback and I think the schedule is a little trickier than expected. I don't think Wyoming Mississippi state or Texas state. You think, oh, there's three and all right there, I don't know if they go three and oh, in that one I I could see him losing a game or two there. And then you look in the conference. I mean they might only be favored in one conference game. So I, to get to the point, I bet under four and a half yeah, I, I don't. 

21:57 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I just I agree with you. I don't see a lot to light and I think the schedule, like there is not what's a what's a what's a for sure win on this schedule at all across the board in the all 12 game. I mean they don't have an FCS team. Wyoming isn't an easy you know out, just the way you know the style they play can be a little tricky, especially probably a little more physical in the trenches themselves. In Arizona State and we've talked about it numerous times the Big 12, for all it not having the elite tier, it's kind of still got a pretty middle tier and you put Arizona State pretty much in that bottom tier with BYU and I only got BYU at home. But looking at the rest of these games and teams that I like a lot better than them, yeah, I'm struggling to see five and seven here. 

22:46 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, markets also. I've seen some movement. I pretty much kept the lid and haven't talked too much on that, but I'll just put it this way I haven't been the only one betting under four and a half, so that seems to be a little bit of consensus there. Charles, back in the chat, find any new people accounts during the course of the offseason that you'd recommend following for information. You're better, you're more active. I've become less and less active on Twitter. Do you find anybody? 

23:14 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I wish I could tell you that. Like to be honest with you, I think the sources of info are less than I used to. I think there's a couple of reliable people. They may not, and a lot of the info I get is not not exactly on Twitter, but you know, I mean we've talked about a Bill Connolly used to be a godfather resource for for stuff he doesn't do as much anymore. A couple of other sources I just I don't have a lot of. You know I w I wish I had some great recommendations for you. I think our guy, you know Stats of War, puts out some good stuff that you know if you're in the data. But other than that I haven't. I can't really recall somebody new like since this offseason, between last offseason and this year, that I've been like, oh, I've got to look at this guy's college football stuff. 

24:04
I just don't have have to think about it. I'll ask around some people, but I got nothing for you offhand. 

24:09 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
The I think that K four guide, kelly Ford or K Ford power ratings. He does a pretty good job. But man, man, I'm gonna this be a quick old man thing. You got to sift through so much shit to get to anything anymore. I I don't have the time for that. I'm sure there's some good stuff out there. I mean, you know how many my timeline is. Just I mean I guess it's on me cuz all AI and stuff, but I'll just say my timeline compared to five years ago, is I Lesser quality? 

24:40 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
we won't go into a twitter ramp, but I agree just the. The ability to find that stuff now is just harder. I agree, they're a lot more. Uh, you know, you look, if you're looking for nsfw material, you can find that pretty easily on twitter. But you know good college football analysis a little bit more difficult I see john was commenting thoughts on kelly ford ratings. 

25:01 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
He's been everywhere here lately. Yeah, I mean they're actually pretty solid. Uh, the as far as the power rating, I think he does a pretty good job and they're not too yeah, let's see about if I'm gonna be unbiased and give the the devils that it's I. 

25:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't think he's a big. Better I think his ratings and his dad is pretty good. I don't know how involved he is in the market. 

25:24 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Oh yeah, I'm like from a betting perspective, yeah. 

25:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So that's the only caveat I give people is some people put out great data, useful data. You can you know if you're better chopping it up and stuff to use it? Um, and for terms of people, I like to recommend I usually they have to have some type of betting market knowledge back around to to make me feel good about like you know you're, you're betting their plays, so or you're getting out their plays, but I think just from a, like I said, a ratings perspective, it's all right. 

25:55 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Agree with that and Jason even mentioned doesn't bet. Yeah, I was just talking from a pair of ratings, uh ratings, uh, boy, people that actually bet. I mean, again, a lot of people don't so, and it shows immediately a fabulous one in the chat kansas state uh, plus 400 to win the big 12, plus 310 to make the playoff. Not much margin for air for the wildcats. Yeah, I'd probably, I'd prefer the the big 12 one there. I mean, again, I don't know where he's. Four to ones. I mean I'm looking at like 12 different books right now. Four to one's about as good as I've seen. So again, if you're taking best market number available, I'm not gonna argue with that. Schedule's not bad for kansas state. I'm not wild about the team, but man, if avery johnson is good, oh, if he's a hit, that backfield's pretty good with him. Obviously, edwards from Colorado's dynamic DJ Gittin's a good running back. I mean, if Avery Johnson can throw the football a little bit, they're going to be tough to stop offensively. Yeah, I mean, where are the surefire losses on that schedule? 

26:57
I mean, they might be favored in 11 or 12 games this year. 

27:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
My only advocate there on the other side. I know I'm playing this, uh, also, apparently it's like it's just not a conference. I want to bet, like the low prices in, just because I think there's so many teams live, so many teams within a touchdown or 10 points of each other. Do I really want to bet four to one? I'd rather, you know, and just from a strategy perspective, hope that they you know, maybe they drop a game to Arizona, oklahoma State early or something like that, and then you can buy them at you know, a much significantly inflated price after an early loss and then make it a market entry there. That would be my only counter. There is it's not the type of power team that I want to, you know put a four to one on, whereas you know I think you know in a couple of the other conferences you pretty much know the two or three teams that that are going to be there at the end of it for the conference championship. 

27:53 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Speaking of Big 12, fabulous one in the chat Baylor under five and a half wins. Aranda Deadman walking. I concur with that. There's disagreement in the marketplace. Your boy tent likes the over. I mean there's. Yeah, there's some variance there with the transfers. They certainly are better team than last year, better death. But I I don't like betting overs on guys on the hot seat. No, I just I don't. Maybe backs cornered against the wall and he does something like uh, the west virginia coach did last year, neil brown, I don't see it, I just don't. 

28:24
And another one where are the surefire wins on that schedule? Give me the six surefire wins. Somebody's going to be losing some games here in the Big 12. You can't. I mean there's so much parity. I just think that there's so much mediocrity almost in some instances. And they play Utah. Utah's a non-conference game, so that's basically 10 conference games and it's on the road. So if you count that as a conference game, that's 10 conference games. Six of them are on the road, plus they play air force. They got one layup game, the fcs game. Other than that, where are the layups? I don't see them. 

28:59 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So under five and a half for me yeah, you know what I would say if you're going to make the case that of the teams you want to play in the big 12, they basically got all of them. They got the BYU, they've got Houston, they've got. We're both down on TCU. But I, but at the same, on the on the other flip side is, none of those are automatic wins just because they're in the bottom tier of the conference. Baylor's also in the bottom tier of the conference. It's just, you know they. They avoid a couple of the. You know the power teams at the top. 

29:29
But I agree, you know non-con naughty. You know air force is going to be is a tree. They have to. They have to start two in one If they're going to win six games. They have to get the Tarlington State game, they have to get the Air Force game and then go into conference play and hope that they can beat a Colorado, beat a BYU, beat a Houston. In that. I think it's one of those that's probably on the night I fed. They probably finish five and seven or six and six. But you know, gun to my head, if I'm leaning away, probably it depends it's one of those where's the juice laying and that type of thing. So yeah, I don't have a strong feeling, especially where the numbers add down either way. 

30:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We'll call that a head-to-head. Bet me and tailgate tent there. Oh baby, yeah, zach in the chat, really like the upcoming schedule for Mizzou? Do you think Trinkwitz is a legit coach who just had a once-in-a-career season in Mizzou? Well, I'll say this they're spending money in Mizzou so he might not have to be all that great, but with the way they're spending money, with the way they're recruiting, I don't know if they're going to have a bunch of 11-win-type seasons, but are they going to go back to 6-6 seasons? No, I think those days are over with, and I agree with the schedule setting up nicely. They're going to be favored nine or ten games this year. They got it. I mean, look at that dream start. I mean they're going to be a three touchdown favorite in what? The first four or five games? Yeah. 

30:54
So I know a lot of people like under nine and a half. 

31:02 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I went opposite. I found an eight and a half and bet over. Yeah, I'd much prefer over on eight and a half, even laying some juice, than the under not. But as you said that this sets up, I mean, there's not a lot of teams in the sec that have this kind of dream setup where I think, as we've talked about, you know, when you get into now, now in these mega conferences, the big 10, the sec, where you're playing real teams, uh, you know, throughout the year it's like they've got three cakewalks in the non-con, then Vandy and you know in between Texas A&M and UMass. So you've got one real game the first six weeks of the season. So you can kind of, as long as, even if you drop the game at you know Cuyahoga Field, texas A&M, you're kind of setting up the second half of the year where you've beat up on a bunch of cupcakes. You've had one real game. You should be in pretty good condition physically. From a team-wise, gotten a lot of different guys experience. 

31:52
Michigan used this play and I'll go back to the last year. Through the first half of the season they were able to play a ton of guys throughout the roster went into the second half of the year. No injury, almost no injuries whatsoever. That matters in these big, you know, gauntlet seasons. When you have a a setup there over the first, you know, half of your season is basically a preseason. You're, you're, you know you're, you're setting it up for the end of the six. So I like that from a Missouri by perspective, that that maybe isn't factored into all the data. Just how the schedule falls is you're going to go into the second half of the season at worst five and one, maybe six and oh, and probably in a pretty good spot to take on some of the more power teams there. 

32:35 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Agree, and obviously they built some confidence last year. The Buckeye win can be a program changer. 

32:43 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We did year. Uh, the buckeye win can be a program changer. We didn't program. I wish trader had one more got, if they. I know running back is not like your premium everything, but if they had him back one more year they could have got it out of them. Uh, you know, I would have, would have loved to see him in this offense. Uh, just just one more year with the talent they've got coming back they got a couple of good transfers. 

32:58 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That marcus carroll kid from georgia state's pretty good yeah yep, I think they'll be just fine. Uh, d lee, 23 in the chat. Do we really think the line for georgia clemson doesn't close north of 14 with all the clemson negativity total seems too high. Looking back on this news fest from three years ago, uh, yeah, my numbers say 14. So, uh, I, I don't know. I I think there'd be some buyback, certainly on clemson at 14 and a half. Don't you think on that? 

33:25 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Absolutely. Yeah, you'd have buyers just based on the number there and you know, week one pay on your priors and stuff. People. If it gets to 14 and a half you'd have some buyback. But I agree I mean both of us have already bet the game and you know what? There's still some flat 13 around at major books, if you're interested in that. So, yeah, I can't see it. It's not a huge value one because I think you'd have buyback at 14.5. But yeah, we're both down on Clemson and pretty positive on Georgia. As far as the total, I'm not as I don't love the Clemson offense, but I obviously there. You know, when you say from three years ago, they're playing a lot different schematic style and pace in that, as they were. So, and I think Georgia's offense, you know year two, I think it can be pretty, pretty electric this year year. So I think if you, yeah, traditionally you'd be like oh, under, but that both the actual what I'm looking at coming into this year does not make me want to play an under. 

34:30 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Agree, generally speaking, I would want to play the under in a big game week, week one out of the gates. But you know, compared to three years ago, I think both teams are better, significantly better, on offense, uh, from what they had. So, nah, it's just a pass for me. On the total zach in the chat uh, how much do you worry about mizzou's defense? Feel like drop off quite a bit, resulting in a seven or eight win season again. It could drop off. Uh. I mean again, where are the four or five losses on this schedule? I don't see them, man, I just don't. So, even if it does take a step back, I again, I, I don't see the. You know a bunch of games where they're gonna lose their. Uh. 

35:09
Wesley sims in the chat. Will uncle joey be on time? Oh, this is going back. No, I was. And nothing to do with knish had to do with some big time news coming down. As far as you know, the bosses got involved, uh, as far as sponsorships and stuff. So we had a big, big meeting prior to the show today. Uh, I should have got that one out of there. I'm sorry. 

35:29
I'll read anything on the teleprompter uh, spammy so on on the chat uh, what happened the last 24 hours to now make dylan gabriel the favorite to win the heisman at most shops? Favorite to win the heisman at most shops? Uh, certain somebody? 

35:46 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
uh, uh, I'm trying to think, uh, that rhymes with uh he pitched a tent outside gabriel's backyard and, uh, you know to post it up there. So, uh, what do you think about that? 

35:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
he won't believe me. I I talked to him before the show. Uh, I told him I bet it last night. He's like well, how do you know? I was going to release it today. I was just like that was probably them. I knew he was going to release some heisman today and I had wanted to get in front of it before it moved and I just I had a sneaky suspicion that that was going to be the play. So I I bet gabriel last night and I'll tweet out the ticket. I don't care. Uh, I've been at late last night at 14 to 1 at westgate superbook so I, and probably my favorite heisman, I've only made 10. 

36:29
I know it sounds all 10, that sounds like a lot. A lot of years is like 15 and I'm not wild about this year's heisman market. But I, I like the gabriel bet I, I complimented him on that pick, on that release, because I think that's the most sensible one. 

36:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Of the prices, like of the top, just as I'm looking. Six or seven guys, I think he'd be my favorite bet of that crop there. I need to see Georgia's offense be like electric week in, week out. For you know, like I don't think Carson Beck should be, even though I think it'll be good, there's still kind of a team that likes to just run, you know, teams into the ground as they can and a couple of these other, like Quinn Evers, will, howard, lama, leva. 

37:14 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I don't like either one of them. 

37:15 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, no, part of the Heisman is. I know those guys are on teams that are set up to be pretty good, with a lot of talent. I don't think either of those players is really that good. So to me, like it's you've got to be, you know, there's got to be an element of you being able to perform at a very, very high level throughout the entirety of the season. To me he was in. Howard have not not really shown that ability throughout their career. Where they're going to have a couple of down games or ears Hasn't been. It hasn't been healthy for a lot of it. So yeah, of that top five, top seven, I agree. 

37:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think that's a decent play. Yeah, Generally speaking. You know, the problem with this year's Heisman is the pricing's not great. Your Nicos, your Jackson darts, hell, even your Dylan Gabriel. I said I bet 14 to 1. 

38:08 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, just a few years ago he had been widely available. 15 to 1. 

38:09 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Just telling you what the price would have been on him. A guy like Nico would have been 40 to 1. A Jackson dart might have been 25, 30 to 1. I mean, what's he? 15 to 1 now? I mean that's the problem with the Heisman market prices, don't? I mean? I bet a few, but don't blame me on everything that I don't. I didn't think they were that good to begin with this year, as far as that. But thumbs up for him on the release. On Dylan Gabriel, did you have you seen some of his numbers? When it's all said, done Gabriel. I mean, it's going to be, he's going to set all these records touchdowns, wins, passing yards, I mean, and it'll never be broken. I don't think, and I think. 

38:45 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
talking basically about my new starter, how many of those graphics are you going to see this fall of? Him being the all-time college football. You know what I'm saying. It helps the narrative street for a lot of you know your your casual Heisman voter who's just like oh, dylan Gabriel, he's the. He's the all time touchdown passing leader in the history of college football. 

39:05 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yep. 

39:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Looks good for my Heisman vote. 

39:08 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yep Agreed. Spammy in the chat besides the Boise state who could see playing for winning the mountain West, fresno, unlv? I mean I, I, just that's about it. Wyoming's probably a little bit down, air Force is a little bit down this year. Maybe Colorado State can rise up. I haven't seen it yet from Norvell. Nevada stinks, new Mexico stinks. Hawaii could be a shocker, but I still don't expect that. I mean, san Jose State's got a new coach, san Diego State's got a new coach, utah State's got a new coach. Hell, I mean, like Boise, like Boise, I just put it that way Boise's. 

39:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, there's just not that second tier of team. This year We've gone over it and I know if you've watched, you guys have been watching every week. You've heard us say it a few times Mountain West is pretty down and it's usually that these are the type I will say and I've got to give the market some credit. I expected in the G5 to have a lot more futures action and I remember the night some of them came out and we were going, oh, it's like not really much, I want to bet here or I'm dying to bet here. I was kind of looking at my chops like, oh, here we go and it's like price pretty right. So, um, and it's not. I, I just don't see, you know, some of the second tier and a couple of the g5 conferences really being live or or even remotely, you know, in the conversation. So, yeah, I, I don't. I don't have any recommended bet in the mountain west. That that I think is uh worthy of of placing. 

40:41 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So I took a little unlv, I think 701. I thought they got a high ceiling with what the talent they have. But again, I mean, historically speaking, a team far exceeds expectations. Year one, maybe you'll see some regression. Year two, so again you're gonna make one feel, you know, I I'm not. You know, only one future needed. Uh, might be the case for Boise State in the Mountain West this year. I mean a very disappointing season. They don't win it. Rick in the chat, what do you think about Texas under 10.5? Not many SEC teams win that, many other than Alabama. I played under 10.5. Home underdog to Georgia not that it's a big underdog role Could lose to Michigan in week two and you know, add Texas A&M to close. That's going to be a war, to say the least. Can you count on Sark to just win every single one of these games? Oklahoma still on the schedule, under 10.5. Like it. 

41:39 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I will. I played a little. And if we win, I played a little. And if we want to get, I played a little. 

41:45 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Are you OK with this? Because we don't have a best bet. Let's just Texas under 10 and a half best bet. I like it baby. 

41:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't know. I'm with it, I'm going to add to it while we're talking here, but I'm going to give you actually took some game of the year on Texas A&M. In that game there was five and a half out there five. 

42:04
Some places were Texas, Texas Tech or Texas A&M and that game's at Texas A&M. So you're telling me that Texas is a touchdown better give or take you know a half point there than Texas A&M on a neutral? I don't see it. I don't see it. This is the guy I, I don't know, maybe I'm more anti-texas than anybody out of, but like I, I think they're. I think michigan's very alive in that game. I played that game. You know, played michigan against them. So a couple of the game of your positions have already taken were were anti-texas. So uh, yeah, I don't, I just don't see it. Don't I tell you what I think? We talked about this like three months ago. Um, what do you think? The odd like Arch Manning starts a, starts a game at some point this year. 

42:51 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Oh, I think I would bet greater than 50%. 

42:55 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I kind of. I kind of think so too. I don't. I really just don't see the consistency in Ewers as a guy weak, and Arch, I didn't see it early on, but he looked pretty good in the spring game. I don't know, I could see them. I don't know if they lose a game, if they lose to Michigan early and Ewers doesn't look good, I could see them. You know, maybe making a little panic pull of the trigger there. 

43:21 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
But I agree. 

43:22 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I just took a lie with A& against texas circa. 

43:26 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, good bet, good job man. Under ten and a half, so price wise, because everyone's gonna say what's juice? I mean, obviously you're gonna be laying some juice like minus 150 ish. I think in some spots I'm okay with it again. 

43:36 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I I made it like 9.8 so I I really like that bet quite a bit yeah there's like oklahoma, a decent amount this and not like, oh my god, they should be favored over texas, but that's not that line's too much. 

43:51
I bet oklahoma in that game of the year line so I mean that that you've got what I would call at least four very potential losable games right there, and then you'd have to I mean you've, you've got to win three of those four to go over and then, just you know, be clean the rest of the year. So I let, yeah, I like asking a lot. That's asking a whole lot. 

44:15 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, there we go, Like it I always like. I thank you to the chat for coming up with the best bet, Cause we'd have been scrambling here in 10, 12 minutes to the wrap of the show. But yeah, I like that one quite a bit. Mason the chat thoughts on Nebraska over seven and a half notices taking some money lately I've noticed that too. Good candidate for positive regression. You could have said that the last seven years in turnovers and one possession games. 

44:39
8-30, I think is the mark. Last 38 one possession games. They've gone 8-30. We'd love your thoughts. 

44:46
I hear you on that. I just true, freshman quarterback, they're going to be favored in probably their first seven games. You're going to be like look at the schedule, yeah, 7-0, baby. I think the only surefire loss on the schedule is the Buckeye game. I can't get there, I cannot. A team that hasn't had a winning record in seven years, and now you got them going eight and four, I don't see it yet. I mean, I think that Colorado game is going to be so big that has to be a win there, otherwise it's going to be a. Here we go again in week two. Can't wait for that game, but uh, I'm not there. In fact I I, if I had to bet it and I have bet it under eight and four is asking a lot of a young quarterback true freshman quarterback oc. 

45:35 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Uh, neither of us or a lot of people that are in the business don't really love I, I think you know, program wise they seem to be heading in a more positive direction. Um, and I know I know someone else asked about, uh, the, the tent matt rule comment. I'm not there on thinking he's, uh, I think he's still a good program builder. I don't love the, maybe like the coordinator hires you've made, but I think he's still a good program builder and wouldn't be afraid to. You know what, if they go, if they don't have a great offensive year this year, could I see them, you know, switching it up then? Sure so, but to me, I agree, it's a, it's asking a lot. I think there's some, some sneaky games on that schedule. You know, rutgers, indiana, as we've talked about that, are a little tougher, even if they'll be a short phase. So yeah, I'm not betting on this team to go 8-4. 

46:31 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm not either. Indiana can be sneaky. I went to their spring game. I bet 105.5 originally because I just thought, hey, this team's going to be decimated at the portal, how do they win six games? Watch their spring game. I'm like, hey, this team's going to be decimated at the portal, how do they win six games? Watch their spring game. I'm like, huh, I made a mistake there with that bet. So, yeah, I don't see a lot of surefire losses. I don't see a lot of slam dunk wins. Oh, yeah, I can trust Nebraska to win this game because I mean, yeah, just because I got them priced as a six-point favorite, I mean, we've seen how that goes. 

46:59
It doesn't matter who the coach has been the last five, six years. Uh, arthur, in the chat there's rumblings Buckeyes will try to make a Heisman campaign. Uh, for Caleb Downs by giving snaps and running back. Worth of taste at 150. 150 to one, four plus rushing touchdown, six plus six fumbles recoveries, get him in the mix. I I bet a defensive player. Uh, about eight years, a Florida State kid, because I watched in the spring game they were giving him snaps Derwin James it was. I'll never bet a defensive player again. 

47:31 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't, especially at safety, where it's just like you can have a great game at safety and have almost no stats. That's the problem, where, like it just not gonna end. I mean, I don't really like. I know there's been that rumor like they've got a couple of guys already that they need to feed back there to give downs some extra carries out of that backfield, um, and then if you get him dinged up when he's playing offense, you know, usually you see a guy if he's maybe returning kicks or something like that, but he's not even going to do that. So no, um, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't spend money on that 500 to one, maybe not one. 

48:09 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, right, right, right. And even then there's so many guys. The reason I didn't bet a buck, I didn't win the heist and there's just so many guys to choose from. I know, I know they don't like that. One onion man in in the chat thoughts on UCLA Took some under 5.5, minus 150. Really like it. Yeah, I think I'm in the fade position on UCLA this year, to say the least. Took some. I know nobody cares, but the win totals were up already when the Chip Kelly news broke that he was going to leave. So that's how long these win totals have been up at certain places like fanduel there is a chance, and again I don't. 

48:53 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We, we, I know we bet hawaii week one. Um, I don't know, are they really? 

48:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
gonna. I mean, we're not the only ones there. 

48:59 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It seems like the whole world's betting on one yeah yeah, and that was one of the what was the game last year. It was Washington State. Who were they playing week one where everybody faded? Washington State, yeah, yeah, yeah, corral. And then Washington State beats them by like 80 points. It's like 49-0 at the end of halftime. But there is a chance. Let's say they go, let's play devil. We could be talking about like a rubbing. And then you've got a. You've got to be at the UCLA team, that's, that's going to Nebraska in November, and then you've got. 

49:34 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You know, you got LSU. 

49:36 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah Right, like yeah Right. I mean they've got LSU, oregon, penn state right in a row there and then you've got end of the year. 

49:43 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean what's that roster look like at the end of the year, I mean? 

49:47 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
what's that roster look like at the end of the year? I'll go. There's a chance. This is like a three and nine football team that could flirt with two and ten If things go as bad as possible. 

50:04 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
One of the Chip Kelly did not do a good job recruiting, did a good job in the portal, but as far as building that roster through high school recruiting not there, I don't know if they got depth and I know you think, ah, I think that I mean the plane trip, even to Hawaii, is significant in the plane ride from LA to Hawaii. So, yeah, that's a lot of cross country traveling for UCLA with a new coach and new coaching staff. That I'm not wild about. No, I, I'm selling them. We're not the only ones either. Right in the chat, utah State under with the coaching news. 

50:30
Yeah, it's a bet that I made. Again, I didn't, you know, hammer it big time. I just figured, yeah, I mean, we're not. I'm not going to be the only one thinking to bet this under Might as well get in front of a move. It's going to move at least a half win. I've seen it at a few shops. It's moved from five and a half to five. Uh, yeah, I just, you know, in those situations you just bet news. I mean you got to take a pessimistic approach, although I will say, did the same thing with northwestern last year. 

50:55 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Didn't work out yeah, I mean, I agree, get one of those. If you bet it on the news, no disagreement. But I those are ones that, like you know what, if, if you've got a decent another guy in place, you can take over, then maybe it doesn't matter as much. But um one that I agree. I think it's just one of those. If you got on top of it, good for you it's very similar. 

51:16 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Northwestern. Last year they got a new defense corner northwestern. A new defense corner last year. Uh comes over from new mexico state. He's going to take over. You know I wasn't that wild about anderson. I know he's had some success at Arkansas State. Some success he won the Mountain West his first year at Utah State. But I mean I might not have to be too big of a negative there. So I, who knows with kids on that one. So again, I think it's a decent edge, not a big one. Anthony in the chat. Anthony, any value on Oregon plus one and a half against the Buckeyes yeah, I mean I made Oregon the one-and-a-half point favorite but we're talking through zero, nothing. Key there. Again, sure, I mean I would make that bet, but I don't think it's a significant edge. Where are you on that one? 

52:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I think around. You know one either way, pick is kind of right, so that's one I wouldn't want to place. You know this early in the year. So, yeah, I kind of right, so that's one I I wouldn't want to place. You know this early in the year. So, uh, yeah, I think it's. It's just kind of a wait and see leave it alone for now. 

52:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We'll get to a few more questions here. Last five minutes uh, smu, steam, four or five points, week zero, assuming bp a part of that move, yeah, but I bet that game like shit three months ago maybe, so if it has been steaming lately I didn't give it out. Uh, so somebody's, somebody's hitting these games, just not me. Uh, I like that one quite a bit. I might try to go to that game, believe it or not. Gotta load up the accounts there. In reno it's a week zero game. Be a nice uh time for week zero to head up there, maybe catch a game, tom in the chat. Nor uh nebraska make the playoffs 15-1. 

52:49 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Uh, no, yeah, I, I'm no, no no, don't do that, I don't have enough markets again. 

52:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We have said this if they're gonna keep them up all year, let's get involved during this season. 

53:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Maybe I mean what's the best case? I mean nine and three. Yeah, you know, with the true freshman quarterback you're gonna go ten and two to get into the playoff you need you probably have to go 10 and two and they can win 10 games. Come on now, don't bet that. Yeah, I would need like 50 to one. 

53:16 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I see a lot of condition. Yeah, I see I'm going back to the chat. When we were first starting Can this was not late, he was early, that we had a meeting. And there he goes, thoughts Phil in the chat, thoughts on South Alabama, my six and a half week one against North Texas. I like that bet and I made that bet. So as we lost Kanish here, hopefully he comes back. 

53:44
But yeah, generally speaking, I think South Alabama the first year coaches in a little bit better spot than you know the other first year coaches. As far as the roster, all right, looks like Kanisha's computer died For those that are watching live. We lost Kanisha. Looks like his computer died. But back to South Alabama. North Texas I mean it's not a big high value pick as far as power ratings wise, but we're on a key number. We're below it. North Texas got a lot of question marks. Chandler Morris has got to be a hit for them at quarterback, otherwise they got nothing A lot of roster turnover for the second year in a row for their coach. And again, I look at the coaching transition should be pretty seamless for South Alabama with major Applewhite. So initial will be back in one minute. Lab died, died for him, uh. So, yeah, I I do like south alabama. I've laid six, six and a half that. That is certainly a bet that I made. 

54:36
Uh, trevor, in the chat, what do you guys think about nc state getting a touchdown or higher at clemson? We, uh, if, trevor, if you're a long time follower of the show we gave out NC State against Clemson. That was one. I think they were getting close to 10 there when we gave out Clemson under their win total. That was a bonus bet there. So make sure you're watching these offseason shows. Contrary to popular belief, you know, the market reacts to us a little bit and we do give out. I think, think in some instances probably more than we should. Uh, at least you know, tailgate's not appreciative of sometimes us giving out a few more plays than we should. But yeah, that was one that we took uh advantage of there. 

55:18
Uh, looking over ryan in the chat, looking over the big 12, was surprised how deep in town and their quarterbacks are this year sanders, johnson rising back, green k, uh, kj Daniels. Yeah, I mean there there's a reason why the big 12, as far as the competitive aspect, is as good as I've seen at the power four level in years. I mean, I got 10 teams power rate within a touchdown and we got a lot of good quarterback play. I think that again, we've said this that is the conference. If you want to bet futures, you want to bet a little to win a lot, that's the one to go with. Uh, you know, if you like an oklahoma state, you like a ucf, you like a tcu this year, uh, any of those teams I think make a run and win the conference can issue all powered back. Man, what happened? 

55:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
yeah, you know what, joe? Uh, you know, I was so worried about, uh, the posture here that I forgot to bring my charger up. So, uh, yeah, yeah, you know, I'm sitting at the table and didn't bring the charger with me so I thought it was showing 10 and then, boom, boom, I'm out. So, uh, but no, we're plugged in and uh, ready to finish her out yeah, just a couple more. 

56:15 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm glad we got to this because I did want to mention this and I forgot isaac in the chat. I don't know if you saw this fan duel michigan winter Eight and a half. 

56:28 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I saw the comment and looked Isaac, we're going to be laying in the weeds like a couple of guys, ready with our bullet and ready to fire there. Let's wait, though. Let's just. 

56:46 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You think it's going to get. I think it's going get. I think it's gonna become more market. I won't say fully consensus, but I think we'll have four or five books when it's all said, none and eight and a half let's. 

56:56 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Let's see just a little. They're one of the teams. Let's see a little bit of fall camp need to make spring. We had like four or five offensive linemen. Her, let's just. Let's just wait a little bit, hey listen over nine and a half against me we're coming off a national title. 

57:13
We, we were, wow, we were. This is early on here. Now we're making educated decisions for the people, uh. And so let's, isaac, just let it marinate a little baby, don't you worry. Joey k, get you the good Michigan goods, and then we'll make the move Eat that in the chat. 

57:30 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Thoughts on Ole Miss over 9.5 minus 115, Utah 9.5 minus 135. I would lean both of them. I have not bet either one yet, though Maybe I'm getting old man syndrome. I bet a lot more unders than overs this year. Maybe I'm getting just too pessimistic, but I could see both. Certainly when you look at the schedule where the surefire loss is for either team yeah, I don't listen. 

57:54 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
This is a program thing it's very hard for me to like yeah, back lane kiffin on a week out, week out basis of just I don't think he's that. Listen smart football mind a guy who I'd like to have as OC running the program. 

58:10
He's a little too you know, kind of like a fun guy to hang out with, probably you know, dating a 27-year-old. Is he the guy that I feel like is going to have my team locked in, like Kirby Smart and ready to well win 11 games? No, to win 11 games, no, I'm just not a lane buyer in terms of getting his team to a championship level, which is where you need to be to win 10 or 11 games. So I know schedule sets up all right, but I mean they still got Georgia, oklahoma, ole Miss, a couple of road trips that aren't SEC road trips, that aren't easy automatic wins. So I'm not trying to talk you off nine and a half, cause it's probably, you know they do have an easy non-con and some you know some gimmies to start, but I just believe that Lane is too much of a you know a nonchalant guy to to, you know, get hit that level. So for me it's a pass on Ole Miss. 

59:08 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Go look at Lane Kiffin's coaching record. It is literally a roller coaster Win 10 or 11 one year, 5 the next 10 or 11 the next year. I mean it's just swings of 3, 4, 5 games each season, whether it was at USC, whether it was at Florida Atlantic or even. I think the last time he won 10 games at Ole Miss he had an 8-5 year following up. I know they went all in as far as what their roster looks like, but I can't get there. Something tells me that he's just. I didn't. It's just a spring game. I just I didn't get the good vibe there when they had a dunk contest and a flag football game. That ain't must not. 

59:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That's very Lane Kiffin. 

59:52 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
It is and people are like oh, this is the future, this is every, this is how everyone's going to treat spring games. Now I don't know. Again, I like Kirby, who kind of mentioned that when we get an opportunity to play football, we play football. I just I can't take a guy serious when that's his whole vibe. I don't think he's that serious on the recruiting Trail either. I just not my cup of tea. Uh, what is my cup of tea? I, boy Charles is a fan. Brad's minor in meteorology from BG coming in handy. Finally, yeah, I did take some other classes. I did not minor, I minored in history, uh, but I did take a bunch of meteorology classes. I like the weather. I don't know how you can't, especially in our industry, it's everything late in the week. Yeah, closing thoughts. I know we got a little jumbled there. Obviously, texas under 10.5. Yeah, like the Texas under. 

01:00:43 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
And then you know what I know we'll start having our conference previews that we're going to start working on to get them out. And I agree, yeah, it's good to fit. We've got the chat bouncing around here. Yeah, they are. 

01:00:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
And they're asking me about. I'm not going to be mentioning other programs and stuff. So, yeah, I'll probably be on all those shows that people are asking me Are you going to be on this show? Are you going to be on this show? You're going to be on that? Yeah, I'll probably do them all. But let's just focus. I'm focusing the now, the what. I don't live in the past. I don't live in the future, in the right. Now. I'm doing a show with the man, the myth, the legend and the sub, joey Kanish. That's all I care about at this moment and the chat and your questions. So, there, love that. Hopefully that comes home. But you're right, got a lot of exciting things coming your way. We're gonna do the conference previews, uh, you're gonna start. Uh, you know, we're only five, six weeks away. We're gonna start doing two shows a week. Uh, it's just, you know we're getting there. I could say that. Got the tour coming up. I'm excited about that. Yeah, that'll be that man. Talk to you. 

01:01:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm gonna say you're letting that guy uh, I don't even know who that was, but he's like oh, I've been to 100 in this UMass. I was like this guy's trying to show up BP here by saying he's been to 100. 

01:01:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, he started doing that after I was doing mine too. It's weird, but he does. He's an interesting fellow. He like stays, like he'll go to like NBA games, wwe events, and he tries to be like stay, it's weird, like he's like stay until they kick him out. Yeah, he does that kind of stuff. He's much more aggressive, trying to get into like football offices and suites and stuff. I don't do that. 

01:02:21 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I didn't even realize it was him. 

01:02:23 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, it's him I. I'm not like that, like if there's a gate open I'll walk in it and just walk on the field. I mean, the guy probably needs a job or something, I don't know. 

01:02:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It feels like there's a but yeah, I saw his UMass review and I was like, oh, I wonder if he's been to UMass yet. 

01:02:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm not that. I'll be going there pretty soon, I'll be doing a Northeast trip, but it's not a good one. I mentioned Kent State's, the worst that I've been to. But man, one quick thing. That guy, the way he just rubs me the wrong way, I like he might get it. He might shut the whole operation down, like because of doing stuff like that, like I mean they might get more stadium security and everything's locked up. So I, man, if you're doing what I'm doing or you know, just act like you've been there, done that, you know. I just, I don't know, I try not to make a scene. I just I do my little two minute thing Boom, bang in and out. I would prefer a lot of these stadiums stay open where you can walk up to them. I just put it that way because I like doing it. 

01:03:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yep? No, I hear you. 

01:03:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That's. Yeah, they might start locking the gates of some of these places. Yeah, that would be a good thing. Uh, then there goes the tour. That is the man, the myth, the legend himself, joey knish. Appreciate everybody that watched uh and commented and asked some questions. As far as the chat, again, thank you to jason for filling in. Uh, for zach phillips on vacation. Uh, and that'll do it for hit the books. Uh, part of the hammer betting network. Take care, we'll see you next Monday.