00:03 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
3, 2, 1,. Here WE GO. We'll be right back All right Five o'clock on a Monday. Let's do this. Let's hit the books. Part of the Hammer Betting Network. Alongside the man, the myth, the legend himself, joey Kanish, producer extraordinaire, zach Phillips, I'm merely Brad Powers. Before we recap last weekend's best bets, which we did have, a winning week, no thanks to, you know, the team up in Mount Pleasant, michigan. We'll talk about that and a hell of a lot more. 

01:11
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02:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I love them, lions oh baby, uh, no, hutch, no problem, just, uh, just keep it rolling in there. Uh, the god jared goff they're chanting his name everywhere in the city mvp. Um, yeah, that was a big time. I you don't want to lose that game on a fluke. Fumble six there. Uh, so that that would have hurt. Um, but nice way to come to back and get it in there. So, yeah, yeah, I liked that result. Hey and nice. We were a couple of smidges away from a big week. Oh, thanks to those up in Mount Pleasant and taking a little bit of a bad number there on Kent State. But hey, we'll take a winning week and back on the grind. 

03:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, 6-4 week as far as the best bets went. Boy Carson, beck, I thought the start of the game was going to be an easy winner. Passing yards didn't get there. They didn't need the passing yards after they jumped out, but the attempts were there. To say the least, almost went over his attempts in the first half, but Kentucky was to say the least. I almost went over his attempts in the first half, but Kentucky was terrible, to say the least. Michigan State wins outright. That was nice. Didn't have to sweat that one at all. Mill roll over Buffalo. Western Michigan. 

03:55 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That should have been apparently our play of the decade, play of the century. Goes over the toe. Almost goes over the toe a little by themselves. It was over by, I think, the early third quarter. 

04:06 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, rice-tulane was a very interesting data point. 

04:09
Rice moved the football. Very misleading game Turnovers, bad for them. Toledo won outright, obviously part of your parlay, wisconsin easy winner and Oklahoma State on Friday night. So not too bad. But you know I'll take that if we're going to do that on a weekly basis. 

04:30
Any obviously number one story coming out of last weekend Georgia. I mean what they did to Texas in that first half. I mean that's what the number one team in the country looks like. We haven't seen it for a full 60 minutes from them, but we've seen it obviously. Second half, clemson. First half, texas. After trailing 28-0 to Alabama. If they want to play like that, that's the best team in the country. That's your national champ. Problem is they don't play like that all the time and I still got a quarterback that I don't trust in Carson Beck, who still they go in and win on the road against Texas, and I mean he still is off. His wide receivers are off dropping passes, he's putting the ball in Harmon's way when he doesn't need to. So you know they're the best team in my opinion, but the trust factor isn't there. 

05:14
And then the other big game I'll mention obviously Michigan, illinois, no, I'm kidding. Alabama, tennessee. I tweeted this. It was not a great watch. No, it tweeted this it was not a great watch. No, it was not. 25-plus penalties, seven turnovers, missed field goals, undisciplined I mean, it's obvious. This is the worst Alabama team since Saban's first season in 2007. I'm not, you know, good win for Tennessee. I know they're excited it's only their second win over Alabama in the last 17 years, but I'm not automatically raising their power rating way up after that. That was just. I don't. Let me put it this way. I don't trust either one winning multiple games in a playoff format. 

05:57 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No for sure. I mean, as you said, I think Georgia's defense may be one of the more impressive against the Texas O-line that I had proclaimed as best in the country and multiple early-round draft picks on that line and they beat them up pretty good, whether it was Quinn or Arch in there, not much time to get anything going and, yeah, one of the performances of the season there, I think, to slow down that Texas offense. As you said, beck still wasn't. I mean, obviously they've lost, you know, some receivers throughout the course of the year. So I don't know what the ceiling is on that offense anymore and he hasn't. You know it's been multiple weeks now where he hasn't exactly. 

06:38
You know, the volume might be there, but the quality of play hasn't exactly been there there, um, but the, the quality of play hasn't exactly been there, and so we'll, I mean this could be for a year of the 12 team playoff. This could be pretty wide open, uh, and of the teams that get in there and go on a run and on for a team that by you know some of the models. I saw connelly tweet, uh, the indiana hoosier, the, the juggernaut in Hoosier Nation. Unfortunately, I think Rourke broke his thumb, I think so too. 

07:13
Yeah, they're saying oh, it was just his nail came on. I mean, you don't rule a guy out indefinitely for that long. No, I'm not even wrong. Tavion Jackson came in there and kept the party rolling, but he's not hurting Rourke. I think they're in trouble this week I would feel similarly, based on some early bets, and I mean, I'll just touch on it. The Heisman title ticket's officially in the garbage. Oh my God. 

07:40 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean off a bye. That was disgraceful, like fireball offenses. 

07:45 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was going to say it's shaking the core, like if it was just Jack Tuttle, who is obviously not healthy. His arm didn't have any juice. But it's deeper than that, right Like now it's like is Sharon Moore? Is Kirk Campbell? What is the program going forward? 

08:09 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
What is it? I mean, obviously it looks like you're going to buy some recruits, but you have a national championship defensive line still. Yeah, I know. 

08:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
And you're losing. Yeah, the defensive performance. I mean you can give Wink Martindale some hassle, but the defensive performance, I mean you can give Mike Wink Martindale some, you know some hassle, but the defensive performance, I mean this team, if you had below average offense, is sitting at. 

08:33
Uh, you know, probably, you know with one loss six and one, yeah, six and six and one with a below average offense. If you didn't have the worst offense in the country, the worst passing off in the country, you'd be sitting there. Six and one, probably on a nine and three. You know usual pace time. Now you're like are we gonna go bowling because our offense? 

08:51 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I don't know that you obviously Sparty's live this week. They're live, very live and you got Indiana, you got Oregon, you got Ohio State yeah, that last I checked one, two, three, four. You already have one, two, three losses seven. That's no, no, bueno, no bull. Uh, yeah, you know rich yeah I know. 

09:12 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, we're in bizarro twilight world here where the indiana you know, I've seen for 30 years, was like you know, this is this, what this is. This is I'm telling you, this is the new era that we are in right now, where, when you're going to have these, like Florida State Michigan, two top four- teams. Yeah, Oklahoma, where we're going to be in this new era of fall off and rise up in these one-year spans. 

09:42 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So what do we do? What's the actual info? My guess is I'm not going to be as involved on win totals next year. I'll add it up and see how I do this year, but um, I I don't know. It's so much variance. I mean I don't know if I want that much money tied up, uh, before the start of the season. What say you there? 

10:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I, I think there's some, and I opportunity wise you would say, and not I know again, these aren't um but to just to play some, like all expectate, like you know what was the point what was the price on michigan? 

10:14
you know under six and a half wins. What was the price on, you know, florida state, under, you know, under three and a half wins? You know I mean not, but some of those won't even have, but like there was some wild, uh, you know variances. Or indiana over 10 wins, you know I mean not, but some of those won't even up front, but like there was some wild, uh, you know variances. Or Indiana, over 10 wins, you know that type of stuff in terms of like, when a team has completely has like seismic change, maybe just playing, you know the, the base, you know the farthest possible outcomes on those things. So that's what I can think for the moment. 

10:42
Um, but yeah, it's, it's definitely a new day because, because I mean, you're even seeing, and even the market last week was very bullish on Florida State, feeling like very bullish on Michigan, thinking you had just hit the bottom. And what happens? Those teams? You know those teams both not only get steamed but both lose outright. Um, so yeah, it's, it's a new day in this, uh, in this sport yeah, I mean it's interesting, I'll tell you that. 

11:13 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean I don't know if I have a great handle on it yet, but uh, uh need more data I guess. But uh, yeah, I mean I'm anxious for this playoff to see how it works. Uh, you know, coming up, I still think, still think if Georgia and Ohio state play after their abilities, those are the two best teams, just like we thought at the start of the season. But boy, to see Michigan, sc, oklahoma, florida state fighting for their lives to get the ball eligibility. That's, that's something that we knew a lot of the. You know Michigan, florida state would be taking a step back where I didn't think. You obviously thought they'd take this big of a step back. I don't know what the answer is up there in Ann Arbor. I don't think next year looks even better. 

11:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It looks worse. I mean they've got, like you know, a half, four or five guys that are going to go in the first two rounds playing on this team that's going to struggle for bowl eligibility. Those guys are all gone and you're not. 

12:06 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean, unless there's a seismic change in philosophy, you're not gonna go out and get 30 transfers this offseason, right? 

12:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I tell you what you need them I was gonna say either if you're tom shroom more and portnoy or stephen ross or anybody's calling me, I'm saying you know, I'm taking the calls, I'll do whatever you, whatever podcast you want to do, because the leash is going to be real short after this season, I'll tell you that you can't have this and then, with the roster, you're looking at next year. 

12:36 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Is he going to be two and done? I tell you what if they don't know if I had to bet it, I would bet that. 

12:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I agree with you because, yeah, I don't think they'll make the moves this offseason that they need to make to really rescue it. 

12:53 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
And some of it. You got to help what. You're hiring a young, inexperienced guy. You got to help him out. I mean, wink Martindale doesn't have hardly any college experience. An inexperienced offensive coordinator. They did not help out Jerome Moore at all. You got to help the young guy out. Jesus, you got to know. Okay, we're hiring this young guy inexperienced. Let's help him out, Jesus. 

13:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
If you want listen? All the good coaches from the staff are in Los Angeles. Jim Harbaugh robbed the cupboard on the way out. 

13:26 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, oh, I think there was. It'll come out eventually, but he was not overly pleased with what happened to him in 2020, taking the pay cut no, and yeah he really bad leadership at the top of michigan, the university and what? 

13:43 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
yes, I agree it's going to cost them dearly. Yeah. 

13:47 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Because it's just going to cost them dearly. I think he would have stayed. I know he had one foot kind of out the door, but why did he have one foot out the door? Because of what happened in 2020, I think is why you take care of one of your own. All right enough, michiganigan, talk. We'll talk more. I could talk michigan. 

14:03
I mean I'm not michigan fan, but I I I could talk all day uh, let's get to the, the, the true stars of the show, that being you, the viewers, the listeners, and obviously there's a bunch of games out, um, and a bunch of games in midweek, so let's get to them. Uh, alex in the chat, we'll start with him. Fanduel has game of the year. Uh, lines posted lsu plus four and a half. Bama Wrong team favorite. 

14:27 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
All right, we got to discuss some LSU here because of that question and I'm not buying, I'm not in on like the. I'll tell you what. Where are you at on the game this week. 

14:42 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I took them this week but it was at a different price. Take a look at that a and m uh injury report. We gotta look at that. Defensive line was uh. I just watched the misty state a and m game this morning. Uh, there's like three guys went out. I don't know if it's serious, but they weren't in there at the end of the game. That's not like they were up four touchdowns. Uh, all their main guys up front. So we we've got to look at that. Uh, yeah, I'm not totally buying LSU but, zach, pull up the game of the year lines If you want to. Uh, if you can pull that up, best bet LSU plus four and a half. That's better. 

15:17
I concur with that one. Uh, that is, uh, that should be pick. So, LSU, there we go. You better get in there, Kanish. 

15:25 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was going to say I want to win. 

15:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We're ending this season at 500. And when I mean 500, I mean we got to overcome like a 20-game deficit that we started this season with because of last year's dumpster fire, but that is in Anything above three easily. Yeah, that should be, pick them. 

15:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
There it goes. 

15:45 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
There it goes yeah, we're good good job, buddy. Good job, love it all right, love it. Glad we got in on that. I did not know that that was just bad. Uh, I won't I won't do that too often, but that was a bad number. Well, we'll take a victory there because we got some. We got uh, we actually, you know, we had oklahoma a couple weeks ago that uh wasn't good as far as the game of the airlines. 

16:13 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, the game of the year, some of the early game of years, haven't been dying to us, no, but that's just two weeks away. Yeah, yeah. 

16:22 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think we'll be fine Eat that LSU plus 3.5, nevada minus 2.5, navy plus 12.5. It's all number depending on you know. If you want to tell me you like a and M minus two and a half, I'm not gonna. I mean. I took above three. So that one. I think it should be three If you want to lay it. 

16:43 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Do you like a and M minus two and a half? 

16:45 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm in on some, I mean on some a and M minus two and a half, the Lions should be three. We're on a key number. So there you go. Nevada minus two and a half man. It's tough laying points on the road, hawaii, but I think they're the right side. Did you do anything with that game, man? I? 

17:08 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
had a great feel on the Hawaii games this year or kind of how they're going to perform. I would lean that way. But as you said, you know Hawaii is usually a better fade off the island Short price probably a game that I'm not too involved in regardless. 

17:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That's. I'm chasing on midnight. I'm joking Old school days, navy plus 12 and a half. 

17:38 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
This might be head-to-head territory, because I saw the BP and I almost, like you know, spit up my drink here. 

17:43 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
A lot of people like Navy. I don't. Notre Dame rolls them. No, you're going to have to sell me. Who has Navy played? Tell me? 

17:53 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, they haven't played any of their beating teams by 60 every week, though. 

17:58 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Look at last week they got out, gained their plus five in turnovers. 

18:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We're talking. A Notre Dame offense that's had trouble getting margin is going to Navy for a service academy and winning by two touchdowns. 

18:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Trouble getting margin. They beat Purdue by 59, uh miami ohio by 25. That's miami's worst loss. Uh, yeah they got margin last week 18 42 over stanford it was dicey last week uh dicey, but still 31 to 7 before a garbage touchdown 24-7. 

18:35 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think this line's only going one way. 

18:38 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That's what I've heard. It's only going one way. But is it getting set up today Because it was 11-1⁄2 and now it's 12-1⁄2-13. I'm told it's going to go way down. Well. I'm just telling you, the tout service is going to have Notre Dame at some point this week. Oh boy. 

18:55 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So, and we're going to, this will be a head-to-head, this will be a head-to-head. 

18:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Let's get the. I'm going to wait until Friday's show. I'm going to get the right price for me. 

19:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'll give you a salad there after Fresno two and a half. 

19:08 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
All right, but you want to go right now. We'll go head-to-head right now. 12 and a half. 

19:12 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Oh, you're already in at 12 and a half. 

19:14 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, lock it in Zach. All right, head-to-head. The problem for the service academies is when they're really good and they catch Notre Dame's attention, they're like I'm beaten. Go look at the results. I mean I'd go back to Air Force in 2002 college game day. There Notre Dame was like an underdog. He easily won the game. I know they won by seven, but you look at the stats. I mean I can go back that far. I mean I go you. Malcolm Perry, a quarterback at Navy, notre Dame's favorite by a touchdown was his 2019. Notre Dame wins by 32. Keenan Reynolds at quarterback it's 11 win Navy team. Notre Dame wins that one by 17. I mean I just when they are really good, notre Dame is focused on the game so I just just letting you know. 

19:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, cam points out in the chat, this is at MetLife, not at Navy, but at MetLife. I mean, we'll see what the uh see what the crowd is there at MetLife. Uh, could be some maybe a little weather, a little early weather in that one too. So you know we'll see All right, we'll see Charles Saul in the chat. 

20:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Joey Kanish, 30 for 30. Tell our working title Fire Up Chips, the man who went down in a golden flash. Right, you know. 

20:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I knew, because when all this was happening, colorado's destroying Arizona, toledo's has a handle on that one, and I see a 34. I see a score, I say oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, see 34, 30. Then they get the rock and they're driving. I'm like not again. And of course our favorite play in that was Michigan State. And so I knew by that time of the night I was like, oh, state's going to win, and then central is going to call it because central is going to cost me Cause. Folks, this is not just a we bet the, we bet this stuff. So this is not that. It turned out to be quite an expensive finish for me there, for them from the Mount Pleasant Ponzi scheme Unbelievable, unbelievable blowout 16 point lead in seven minutes, or whatever it was. 

21:15 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
What is going on? 

21:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They didn't even cover. I had them to ATF dude, they didn't even cover the number. So that was another. Like not only do they blow the round robin, but they don't even cover the number. So fucking Mac. 

21:29 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I bet him this week though. 

21:31 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Did you? I didn't get to that. I tell you what game the Mac game of the century in Ohio, bg Toledo In northern Ohio. I saw you take a position already and it's going to be another hand to head. 

21:46 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
On Toledo BG. 

21:47 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah. 

21:48 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
At three. 

21:49 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I'll give it to you at three. 

21:51 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Give it to me at three. Isn't that the consensus line right now? What are we looking? 

21:54 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
at, two and a half at and two and a half. You know what I'll give you the three. 

22:01 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, that's why. Yeah, three is fine. 

22:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Like I'm taking, to give me the two. I owe you a half point. Give me the two and a half. 

22:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
No three. We'll play it at three. I bet it at three and a half, so I'll I'll bet it at three all right, split the difference. 

22:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We'll take it at three, both bay. I I tell you, and this was uh, first of all, kent state. Get a first out. Like what was that that the offense has been like? What was that second half passing? Get the game we needed, like a field goal to cover all the numbers easy in the second half. Like what was that? Um, and that's not a beach. I mean, if you don't get me wrong, you nobody loves bg more than us on this show. But it's not like this elite mac defense. I'm like come on, um, but I mean bays, bay's, was he? Was cooking. 

22:54
Yeah, he was healthier than I thought. That was a mystery. Am I like he was? You could tell he wasn't full strength, but he was cooking. Yeah, it'd be different Do you think Gleason's back this week. 

23:05 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I don't know they still won without him. I know it's misleading. I mean they went on the road in Northern Illinois and won without him. Come on, I mean that's the mispricing, as far as I'm concerned, for the game. I don't think he's worth that much. 

23:17 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Gleason, I'm not that big of a fan, I wouldn't say no. 

23:20 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I agree that was a great, but also I mean that was Northern Illinois playing with their backup quarterback. I hear you Thanks. 

23:33 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
But didn't they? The week before they had the backup in there for a lot of that game against BG. But well, yeah, I would say the drop-off between BG's backup to starter is a lot more significant than either of those teams. 

23:41 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Look at us go round and round here. All right, all right, we're in on that one. Okay, three. I just got to yep. I can't believe I got to root for Toledo in this game. I think the old man's going to be there this week. I needed him last week at the game. 

23:59 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I know we had the injury report here. 

24:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That's why I didn't want to go. I'm going to this week's game, so all right. I said, fair enough, wyatt, in the chat it's officially basketball season in Tuscaloosa. Yeah, I think they'll probably lose it. I think they'll. You know LSU's live in that game, so uh, that's why we just bet it uh, that'd be third line. 

24:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I wouldn't, man, I'm like, I'm not on the whole. Maybe defensively they need to make a change. I'm not on the if I was a Bama, like I to the DeBoer heat stuff is ridiculous. 

24:36 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm fine. 

24:36 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Like I'm not. 

24:39 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
He'd be out of a job in half a day. I mean I think he's regretting he probably shouldn't have left Washington. 

24:48 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was going to say there's some other places, namely Michigan, after I would say that you would take him in a minute. Wouldn't that be nice. 

24:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, just I've A lot of this stuff was problems that were already there under Sagan. I agree, I agree. 

25:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
He inherited some issues. Yeah, so I'm not. I still think DeBoer is a great coach, the SEC man. Look at the SEC now. Just with Texas, the schedule is insane every year. 

25:23 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
No, keep in mind, saban was fortunate in a lot of games. Fourth and 26 last year would have never even made the playoffs, yeah, yeah, so would have had multiple losses. Uh, the the previous game at auburn, all's the bigsby had to do was fall on the ground, the game's over and they give the ball back to alabama. The alabama goes on, the field forces overtime, wins in like three or four overtimes. So, uh, they were fortunate, uh, that they weren't a three loss team like for his last couple of years. So I will see again. 

25:55
He, I, he said it. I mean you take him in Michigan. I think about 95 other schools would take him to. Um, aj, donaldson and Rocco in the chat, don't want to skip this. Is great to be a Miami hurricane. Yeah, I mean, looking at the schedule, it looks pretty good now looks like 12 and 0 heading the acc championship game. It, I mean defense is bad. Reminds me of like a lincoln riley oklahoma team or if you're real old none of you will get this reference like a bob toledo ucla team with kate mcnowan at quarterback. 

26:24 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So I mean I would I would be that that game in the in the dome to end it is. 

26:32 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That would be a wild one. That's going to be a wild one. 

26:35 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That's not a layup, because, as you said, this Miami defense sucks. 

26:44 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
When do we bet against them? That's just give me the game. It ain't this week. I can tell you that it's coming up Either the ACC championship game or, I guess, the Dome, or definitely a playoff game against the Georgia. That would be fun and Ohio State yeah, that'd be nice. Aj Donaldson, thanks for talking me off of Northwestern last week. My Badgers are rolling. Can they give Penn State a run for their money under the lights in Madison? I bet it. I don't know if I'd bet it at six and a half now, but I certainly bet it. I do think it's a close game. What do you think? 

27:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I was on it this week too. I mean, proof is in the pudding, I gotta give, because I've been a little bit of a fickle hater since he's been in Wisconsin for some of the moves, especially losing Van Dyke and having to go to Locke who struggled some. He still is great for the occasional stupid interception, but those last few weeks they've really put it together to a point where this is no longer like. This was a chalk up L for the first half For all of last year and the first half of this year. That Wisconsin team, this was a dead nuts L. Now I think they could be live. Uh. So I agree with you. I took some. I think there were seven and a half uh for a bit there since oh, yeah, there was. 

28:00 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, uh, let's see where it's at later in the week. Uh, sometimes the bigger money I don't know if I necessarily agree with you. I mean, look at that money in the nfl last week prior to kick uh, wrong, wrong, wrong, uh, yeah, I will get get. I don't want to take, I don't want to take six and a half and on a monday, right now, um so, but I I do think wisconsin's the right side and you got to respond to it. It's the second year. Maybe they're just finally getting a role in their fickle. 

28:25
I do think he's a good coach, so, uh, yeah he had a very slow year one at cincinnati and they started getting things going in year two, so maybe he's following something similar here, D Lee 23. Uh-oh, oh wow, interesting, not shocking though, to be honest with you yeah, but I I don't think it's true. Uh, do you think it'd be true? 

29:02 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
uh, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say probably not either. Yeah, I'm gonna say no, but I mean I wouldn't be stunned by it. 

29:08 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm not, nothing stuns me anymore, but but I don't think that one's true. I don't like the body language on some of his stuff. I would not prepare for the NFL draft, for what I mean. Would you draft him in the first round if you're the GM? No, no, exactly, you know someone is, someone is going to do it, but they'll be out of a job in two, three years. 

29:30 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Do you think he's a first-round lock? 

29:32 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
No, not first-round lock. No, not first-round lock. Yeah, I think somebody would probably take him. What's his? I don't know, I haven't looked at draft props. What's his? 

29:43 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, there's only like to go first overall right now. 

29:45 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
so there's nothing, but yeah, I'm telling you I wouldn't draft him, but you know how teams are man. Who are the other quarterbacks? Carson Beck, I guess. Cam Moore, who else? Shador Four? Well, that's four, but that's normally what goes. 

30:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think, honestly, I think that's right. I think, shador, the way the season's playing out, shador would be, my guy. 

30:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I think, yeah, I and they're gonna take him first overall. 

30:15 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
oh my god I mean listen nothing against the kid, I mean, he's playing well, color that we buried the lead there. 

30:21 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Colorado's been playing very well. Yeah, uh, another big win for them. We got to give them props. Nobody's giving them props now. It's crazy, uh, yeah, I, I, I agree, I mean I, I would not draft any quarterback in the top 10 if I was a gm. Would you, any of these guys? 

30:40 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
if shador didn't come with the baggage that he's gonna come with. Uh, I think talent wise, he deserves it. Um, number one, our top 10, no top ten, but talent-wise I think he. But man, you're going to get the Sanders family. Yeah, I don't like that. 

31:01 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Some might, some might want it. 

31:03 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They're like the good LeVar, the good ball family. 

31:07 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
My goodness, wow. Thank you for that breaking news. Remember the first time that hit we were doing a show, I thought like the president had been shot or something. I mean I just I had no idea what was going on, like we're getting, you know, nuclear war or whatever. I wasn't scared. This time, d Lee 23,. Go dogs, feels good to be right. Thoughts on Navy Irish. We gave you that head to head me and Kanish there. He likes Navy, I like. The Fan Duel has Clemson-Miami title. Look ahead at pick. Am I wrong to love Clemson? 

31:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, I would have Clemson favored, not significantly, that I would want to put a bet on that yet Are you all right with that? 

31:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Maybe it goes to one or two. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I'm not. We'll be on that game when it gets to it. I'm guessing is my guess, so nothing that I'm going to be on that game when it gets to it. I'm guessing that's my guess, so nothing that I'm gonna put on that. Yet action sports central we crushed the mac last week. Why aren't we pounding toledo? Minus three, I agree, I did. 

32:02 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Kanish says no, uh because the best team and in ohio, is in Bowling Green Action. Well, I mean, listen, you're going to tell me a backup 13-6 grinder with two backup quarterbacks is now we're crowning Toledo. No sir, no sir, not my Falcons. 

32:27 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
It depends on what BG team shows up. We'll see Burt Brown. He's in the chat. Great Saturday fellas. Are we playing Kentucky again this weekend? So is that sarcasm, I mean, yeah, kentucky was horrific. We weren't the only ones. I mean, I don't know. 

32:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, they closed. I mean it was closed Two and a half point favorites. 

32:48 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We gave them a two and a half point. Dog, I just yeah, I know people make fun of us for that, but you know what? Give me five points in every game if you don't like that, and see what how it works out for you uh, yeah, that that honestly I would. 

33:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That was one of the like surprising results of the week. That was probably one of the, you know, favorite plays we had. And just the god talk about two teams that are the Auburn and Kentucky. This one man. Do you have a play on that game? 

33:22 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I wish I had a bet Auburn at three and a half. But I don't have big regrets because I mean Auburn, auburn. We were on live. I said they're. I mean I was not confident they were going to win this game and obviously I don't know what they injected Brady Cook in. They needed to to get you know, get off the pine. 

33:39 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, get off the hospital. But yeah, well, yeah, they saw two drives of Drew Pine and gave him whatever he wanted at the hospital to get him back in. 

33:46 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I can't. Neither one I want to bet. Really I would have taken just numbers-wise. I missed it on Auburn, but I'm not going to have a bet there. Bert also asked about the Tuesday-Wednesday Conference USA games. I like one, other than how bad they are obviously. Do you like anything on those games Tuesday-Wednesday? 

34:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So I think, based on a little chat buzz from the Kanishi moles, that we're going to be getting backup QBs and potential third string QBs in that same Houston FIU game. 

34:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yep. So, watching the tape last week. Yeah, both backups will probably start and maybe a third stringer at FIU Right. 

34:25 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, so did you do. I mean, I just I don't really have enough on those guys. 

34:31 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I like bow man. I don't want to release too much. I think Sam Houston's in better shape from the backup. I kind of lean that even though our, our, I think is a more capable backup than what FIU will have. So that seems a little cheap. I'm not there. I want to see how this gets priced. I think the total would be in the low fifties if it wasn't for the quarterback situation. 

34:54 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
so I think people are already on that where I was like yeah, under, but I was like man, I feel like where that's really baked in at 47. 

35:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
step on the ducks as some people saying jenkins playing for fiu uh, he's the backup right I think he's the main, but I, I don't think, I don't know. 

35:12
They went to another guy, I don't know. They did play three different guys last week. All right, I didn't watch it close enough. Yeah, I, I don't know. Yeah, it looks like Jen, they got Jenkins, but I don't know. The game I like you're not going to like this. I like this, I like, uh, I like Kennesaw on Wednesday. Oh boy, yeah, I, I hate this Liberty team. 

35:45 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Oh boy, all right, so we won't go there. I mean, I mean I'm not, I'm not begging LA 24 with Liberty, I agree with you, but uh, there, there was some stat over the weekend, I think the there are like two teams with less than 1,000 passing yards and 10 turnovers were Michigan and Kennesaw State or something like that. 

35:58 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So yeah, Liberty has not beaten anybody, but they played by far the worst schedule in the country and they haven't beaten anybody by 24. 

36:07 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, that's fair. 

36:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
All right, so we're passing on those. What about Thursday night? Uh, you got anything. Pit, syracuse, georgia, southern odu what a pit number start you um I I think, if you want, syracuse gonna go a little higher. I don't know if it hits seven. Okay, that would be. 

36:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was gonna say that would be the bribe price for me would be a seven on Cuse. Okay, if you wanted Pitt, you missed the window there. I did not have anything on the other game. I bet ODU that would be. I was going to say lean ODU. 

36:47 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, both off. This is in the weeds. I was both off. Stunning upsets last week. I did not have either one of them winning their games last week. Safe to say, hurt the win totals. 

37:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Let's go to the Friday night, marquee All right Boise UNLV. Boise UNLV. 

37:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Give me the red. 

37:13 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Add to head Give me the reds All right, I'll lay it. 

37:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You really like them? I no, no. 

37:21 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Give me the running reds. 

37:23 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That price best bet Boise for me. Just letting you know I mean. 

37:28 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
All right. So, we'll go head-to-head at three. 

37:30 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
There we go head-to-head there. I like that they don't have it defensively. Unlv, who's better? Boise or Syracuse who's better? 

37:46 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, listen, this is a UNL defense that has played. I didn't get more. In particular, last couple of weeks have been uh, but it's, it's Haj Malik, williamstown. Baby, I gotcha. 

38:01 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
He'll be running for his life. Number one sack team in the country is Boise state. Their defense ain't great, but they're number one in the country in sacks. They're going to eat him alive. Uh, just, it'll be similar to last year's mountain west championship game where boise was laying two or three and killed him. Uh, and I know you want to be his favorite over syracuse, but syracuse, I mean, had a couple punt blocks they should have. They should have won that game by in regulation, should have went to overtime and boise's way better. That'll be an easy win for me, thankfully. I need it. Uh, I, because I'm not sure about the toledo bg game. Uh, and the notre dame navy. Notre dame is the bane of my existence. So, uh, at least I got one in the chamber on you there. Uh, all right. Uh, rw fan 23. 

38:43
I want joey k and Mount Pleasant CMU documentary fired up and on the take. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we laugh about it, but you. It goes all the way back to that FIU game, doesn't it? That was a weird line move that week, yeah, yeah, and then six freaking turnovers Like it's just, and then, ever since then, every game, weird line movement, every game falling right at the number or in between, like I don't know. I mean it's, it's becoming statistically improbable. I can tell you that I just you cannot. We'll see this week. I did bet him this week. Uh, david in the chat, so do we just auto bet indiana army and navy and call it a day? Yeah where? 

39:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Where are you at on Indiana now after. 

39:29 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I bet. Well, I mean, I'll just tell you I bet Washington, I bet Notre Dame, I bet East Carolina. East Carolina covered some numbers last week, yeah. 

39:39 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I will say they did no quit there. I'm not. I'm not with you on the ECU this week. 

39:47 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm not on ECU. I bet ECU against Army. 

39:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Oh, okay, okay. I was going to say I kind of I like Temple. 

39:54 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You want to give out Temple plus seven. 

39:56 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, I was just going to say I didn't know if that was going to stick around. 

40:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, Temple plus seven. Best bet yeah, boom, well, chop Zach. That's a bad seven. Best bet yeah, boom, well, chop zach, that's bad number. That's pretty much a consensus seven there we go temple love it. 

40:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They went out right. Yeah, I was gonna say indiana. 

40:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You want to see where that line moves later in the week. 

40:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I like washington uh, I, I mean, I liked it when it was. You know I, I need above seven on that one. All right, fair enough, are you not? 

40:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
you you're not a tvn, I mean I may look good, but how many times backup looks fine then? 

40:34 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
uh yeah I was gonna. I would agree with that experience. 

40:36 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
It's tough getting in front of signetti. I mean this guy is like literally cocky in a good way, but when you back it up it's fine. Uh, all right, yeah, we'll look at that one. On Friday, indiana-washington. But yep, there you go. Best bet Another one. Charles Johnstuff, unlv plus three. You're with Kanisha on that one. Charles Saul, any opinion on the battle in the Little Apple Saturday? Also, any stock up, stock down Coaches moving forward at this point in the season. Stock down point in the season. Stocked down norvell, uh, leopold, plenty of others. I'm not stocked down on leopold. They're fighting. I think they're underrated. 

41:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I bet kansas this week I bet you want to get this. What's the price there? Yeah, I love kansas. 

41:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
What's our price here? Fan dual kansas, kansas state zach before they. They're probably watching live and they're going to change it and get it shaded, yeah it is 10. 

41:31 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean 10s pretty widely, are you? 

41:33 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
in that one yeah there you go. Kansas plus 10, best bet, uh I think they're live me too. 

41:41 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I agree with. Yeah, that was, uh, that was a hell of a performance versus, uh, you know a houston team that I know we had been kind of arrow pointing up, but that was a hell of a performance for us. You know a Houston team that I know we had been kind of arrow pointing up, but that was yeah, I'm not, I'm just on the the macro question. Yeah, I'm not out on Leopold at all, or or Norvell, I still think Michael Norvell, it's just. I mean they had this is what we just talked about at the start of of the show they had a roster disaster. They brought in, tried to solve it with DJU. He wasn't the guy. Look at the other quarterbacks on the roster. They're unplayable. 

42:11
So what are you going to do? 

42:15 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
This is probably going to be good for the long run for Norvell. He's going to have to fire half his assistant coaches. He's got a couple of guys that have been weaknesses that just haven't been exposed yet. And another thing he's got to do now total change of philosophy. Better start recruiting high school kids, norvell, because you can't rely on the transfer portal every year or you're going to have these wild swings. You need to develop some culture. 

42:35 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I agree with that. 

42:36 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
This is a big offseason for Mike Norvell, to say the least. I'm anxious to see what happens, but yeah, best bet Kansas. I think they're alive, Eli. 

42:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I know they always struggle against kansas state. But well, I mean, this ain't the same old kansas? No, and just because they're two and five. 

42:55 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
They lost some close games. Folks changed two plays in their season and this line is six or seven. 

43:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Come on yeah, avery johnson has not been from the moles, uh, not they've had some fluky. I mean he did pass the ball very well last week for a rarity. 

43:13 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
But yeah, he's Kansas, that should be a fun one. Yeah, can we fade Rutgers again at USC minus 14? I can't lay 14. Not that price. No, no, way, no. Hell it's 14 and a half. Let's see how high it goes. I might not. I know I know as bad as Rutgers is, I might be betting Rutgers. You want to lay it with this USC team? No way. 

43:36 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, I think we're back to the Rutgers in the role where you want to back them. 

43:42 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, there you go. 

43:46
Richard in the chat. Who do you like A favorite at five and a half, for example? Will you not bet it at six? It would not be a loss if it lands on six. Thank you, enjoy the show. What's always. Uh, why do you like a favorite at five and a half, for example? Okay, I read it wrong. I'm I'm. You know, I can be dumb sometimes, low IQ here. Uh, will you not bet it It's's? I just, I don't know, it's just number dependent. That's the best number available at the time and I think it's better. Well, I just bet it, right? I mean, I don't think about that, dude, am I missing something? What am I missing? 

44:20 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't know, I didn't really. I'm not 100% sure. 

44:24 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean six is not key, but it's still fall six. You know six is more key than five. So hell, and maybe if you explain that further. I'm sorry, I'm just not grasping that. I and it can be my fault, I'm a dumb ass a lot. Uh guy asks I like colorado this week up a few points to four and a half. What do you think I did bet him this. I wouldn't lay four and a half now. Yeah, I think it's gotten out of range. 

44:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I agree. I think Colorado again playing really well, like where they're heading, but can't really bet it now. 

45:00 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You see their schedule. I got them favored in every game. Not big but all my lessons. There's going to be a lot of close ones, yeah, I mean on paper. 

45:10
I mean on paper. I mean this could be. Doesn't 10 have like 40 to one for them to win the big 12. Something around there? I think he does Good job 10. See, there you go, being this, uh, brendan in the chat. Any any early week action? We went over those games. Not much there. Got some head-to-head Tripp. I like Kennesaw. If you need one, that's for me, that's me. Not Joey K approved there, that's just me. Can you guys touch on the yes, no college football playoff odds, seeing big price discrepancies in the market. 

45:49 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Indiana yes minus 120, and yes plus 200 in the market for instance. I think it depends how much hold the book's taking. Some of those uh places just just really jack up the hold and especially if they're not offering a yes, no um, then some of the holds uh FanDuel is usually pretty good with um making it. You know the number of the whole percentage down uh on some of those markets, I mean with the Indiana what are the limits on some of these? 

46:10 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Because they were. When I checked them a little while back, they were pretty bad. They were low meaning. 

46:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I just on the Indian. And one perspective, like Rourke yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I mean that's the. 

46:25 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That has to be the wildness. Pricing on them the quarterback. 

46:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, because that that makes a number of their you know, the games that they should have, for instance, this weekend. 

46:40 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, goes from win to win, but I wouldn't stun if they lost, type of thing. 

46:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, and they got no like they can't lose two games. They can't, they have they can't they have no margin to lose, enough they're gonna lose to the buck guys probably. 

46:52 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So they have. No, I would. I would more likely bet than no. 

46:57 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, if you give me a good price on them because at michigan state's not a layup anymore, this weekend's not a layup anymore. Uh, even you know I mean michigan sucks, but if you're not gonna to have Rourke, not a layup. So yeah, I agree. 

47:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
As soon as I saw it I'm like that is messed up that thumb, because like it hit the helmet, you didn't even see the thumb. So to me that thumb was bent. So I mean, oof Austin M, I got a Michigan State plus 28.5 ticket and Oklahoma plus 6.5 this weekend from the offseason. Anyone want my Oklahoma ticket? I'll take the Michigan State ticket. 

47:35 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I was going to say I think worst case, you're 1-1 there, yeah. 

47:42 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Where did he see 28.5? I think I saw 24.5 somewhere. I didn't get it. Someone got it ahead of me. I was in line I think it's circa on that one, and they opened their numbers far different Someone. Yeah, that's Michigan State's live this week. Yeah, I'll tell you this. I got a question for you. You'd switch coaches with Michigan State, wouldn't? 

48:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
you, oh yeah, in a second. 

48:06 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah. 

48:08 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Smith. I mean, we've always been a John Smith on this show and this is not a great Michigan State. The collection of talent he's got this year is not great. 

48:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
We're going to lose the win total. I thought we had a great bet on our final half, I know. We're going to lose. 

48:24 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You want to lock in Sparty? I don't think it's going back up. 

48:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
No, what's that? We got six. I think it's five and a half. 

48:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, fuck it. 

48:38 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean listen, I think it should be like three. Yeah, I can't get my power rating there, but yeah. 

48:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I know it's one of them. 

48:45 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
You throw it out the window. Yeah, I agree. And they could be fundamentally different. Off a bye first season you saw what they did against Iowa. It's a team that had they just cleaned up turnovers early start of the season, they'd probably have another win or two, or at least a lot better scoreboards than what they had. 

49:03 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You know, I think no joke. I think they're going back to Warren this week, michigan. What is it? No, I think no joke. I think they're going back to Warren this week, michigan. I don't know how you play Tuttle again after that. 

49:15 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Does Brady have any eligibility left? I'd rather have him at 45 out of the booth right. 

49:22 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I would tell you I mean no joke, I mean, that's not even a question, Would I? Take Brady with like literally not having practice. 

49:28 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
They can't get the other kid to play the freshman I at this point, why not? 

49:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
it doesn't have to play all four or five games right, I mean you're allowed to play some games without burning a red shirt yeah, so uh, yeah, I know I, I would at this point see what he's got. Oh, super, benny rash yeah, super chat here. 

49:57 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Gents always love the conversation. Are we buying uconn under a touchdown or? 

50:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
is this? You're asking the godfather of uconn football. Who me? Yeah, oh, I left Yukon football. 

50:05 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Who me? Yeah, oh, I left that Uh, when, when, hey, uh, the temple game uh destroyed when we cut ties after. That made me look like an idiot, Cause I gave him on a game out on a podcast. It was not good. Uh, I bet rice. Can you believe that I bet rice? 

50:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, you don't gotta I. 

50:30 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Can you believe that I bet Rice? 

50:31 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, you don't got to. Oh my God, I can't believe I'm going to. You want to? 

50:34 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
head to head. No, no, no. Rice was even better than the scoreboard. 

50:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Rice outplayed Tulane last week I bet Rice, yeah me. 

50:41 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm sorry, benjamin, we appreciate the super chat, particularly Zach. He's going know, go to the dollar menu there and mickey d's maybe say hi to president trump there in the drive-thru, uh, but uh, yeah, I, yeah, I, I lean rice, I, I I'm not doing I. Are you doing anything at six and a half I'd still lean that way, but I got a better number than that on rice um, I'd still lean that way as well, uh, especially I mean, if you could do like a 7 120 somewhere, then yeah, I'm just saying if. 

51:15
If it's friday show and it's seven, I think we're gonna have a best bet on rice. So that's how much I like rice. I think they're live in that game. Alex moretto. What's in the pink bottle Is Knish drinking Pepto. 

51:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Oh no, it's probiotic, strawberry, lemonade, caramel water. So and go Wings baby. I know on Edgework it's a Wings fade podcast and Stanley Cup champs coming through. Let's go Red Wings Fade podcast. And Stanley Cup champs coming through, let's go Red Wings. 

51:52 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Zach, it's okay that there's no seven. I was just mentioning if there's a seven on Friday's show that we'll be on rice. Yeah, there aren't any sevens right now. Sorry about that. I'm glad Moreto's watching A lot of people watching All 62, according to T tent back in the day. Uh, michael, in the chat SMU minus 11 this week. Duke a little bit overrated, selling the match for the game against Florida State. I agree, let's see where that one's at on Friday. It's in the mix. 

52:21 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I bet SMU, yeah it's. I would say I lean that way for sure um let for sure. 

52:27 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Let's see where we're at on Friday. 

52:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Sometimes it's okay to have patience, because I don't know if anybody's going to when you at on Wake Stanford. 

52:39 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Stanford's banged up. I know I can't lay on the road, though I mean you're going to Connecticut, You're going back home, going out. 

52:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I know it's not a great travel spot, do you like it? 

52:54 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Do you like waking two and a half, I see there was a guy back at three. I was going to play Stanford at three and a half. I was like, is this going to get out to three and a half? I was going to play Stanford. 

53:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Daniel's got banged up again in that yeah he did. 

53:07 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So what are we doing? Do you want to go? I wait till Friday. Let me collect some, let me watch. 

53:14 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I just I don't like I won. I think the wake offense is kind of founded, a bit like Bachmeier's been putting it up and I don't know, without Daniel. 

53:23 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Well, you want it and you want to lay the tune up. 

53:27 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm not against it. I just don't think like this Stanford team without him at quarterback. 

53:31 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
All right, best bet wake minus two and a half. All right? Guy S in the chat, hey guys, happy Monday. I'm looking at Ball State and are you over Thoughts I? Bet it, but it's not one of my favorite ones. 

53:47 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was going to say it's like a dead nuts over team versus a dead nuts under team. 

53:51 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, I need the quarterback situation to clear up later in the week for Northern Illinois. 

53:55 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
He was just going to say if Hampton's back it's a go, if he's not, I'm probably out on it. 

54:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Couldn't say it better. That's the man, the myth, the legend, Joey Kanish Peyton in the chat. Any thoughts on od you minus? 

54:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
two this week. 

54:12 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I lean that way. Yeah, same here guy asked bg toledo over, you caught my six and a half. I didn't play the total on bg toledo, I'd probably lean under. Uh, connecticut, where you know we like rice. Well, a lot of people like connecticut. That's a popular public. I know we are right. We are definitely waiting on rice. That tells me who gets in the playoff 11-1, indiana, 11-1, notre dame, notre dame, it's a tv show. 

54:34 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Come on yeah, I mean, if that's the choice, it's notre dame. I mean, is this basketball football? Yeah, yeah, there's yeah I just they. 

54:46 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
But the answer is you know what? 

54:48 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
the answer is, the real answer, both at 11 and one right I think so yeah, but if they're only bumping one, I know who they're not yeah, come on, and is you got to keep that in mind too? 

55:02 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think? I think it's. We're laughing, but it is a tv show. Uh, it just is whole. Uh, is heisman really a three player race, like the market suggests as of right now? I agree with it being a three player race, that being Jante Cam, ward, gabriel. 

55:18 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think something, something drastic would have to happen towards you know, I think, like I will say, I know there's not a lot of margin for those Like Gentee has a bad game, they lose. Ward has a bad game, they lose, then they're totally out. 

55:35 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So but but who would you have? Klovnik, maybe? No, who's there? See, the thing is, and we're such a, you know, an instant gratification society, it might be someone we're not even thinking of right now, that's like a monster november yep, yep, I agree with you that. 

55:52 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That it's you know what. Like, if you, as you're saying, with four or five weeks to left to go, it can change in the back in the day. It was not, we're gonna tell you it was not like this, but somebody gets hot. For that last three, four weeks, I agree with you. 

56:09 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Not saying they'll win it, but they'll be sitting there in New York. But I, right now one of those three is going to win the Heisman and what we know now I would say I know tent doesn't want to hear this, but if Gentry comes close to the Sanders record and Boise state wins out, he's going to win the Heisman, sorry. 

56:28 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm sorry. 

56:29 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm sorry. I honestly. Both of those have to happen. They've got to win out and he's got to come close. 

56:32 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Public narrative. I don't think people like Cam Ward in Miami. I just I don't feel like they want. Where, like Gentee, is this story that people want to vote for and Cam Ward is not? 

56:48 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I agree, they just don't like the. I don't either sometimes Just the way. Yeah, I know. 

56:54
Yeah, I just you know me, I'll be celebrating that first. I did when who was it? Cal or somebody hit him on the sidelines, I don't know. Call me an asshole, but I was cheering, I don't know. I just don't like that walking around To me. It's just, it's not the game Run To me. It's just, it's not the game run. Connor in the chat. Will we see a 14 for Navy? That number is an auto bet. Yeah, that's what people think We'll see. I don't know. I think this is going to be. There's going to be some Back and forth in the market on this one. We've already seen it got down as 11 and a half. What are we sitting now? Back to 13. 

57:30
Yeah, so I it now back to 13 yeah, so I don't think numbers play again, and the discrepancy is what knish says. You do you want to lay points in what will be probably a low possession game. Uh, turnovers variance with navy, they're really good, and I'm telling you, notre dame protects the football. It's over. Uh, if notre dame turns it over, then Navy's live not only against the spread but obviously to win the game outright, and it's also how you evaluate Navy's schedule. So there's just going to be a variety of opinions there. So I hear you, I'd wait around and see what you get. But as far as this show, we're grading it at 12 and a half, right 13. What are we grading that 12 and? 

58:10 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
a half, whatever. 

58:11 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, the fan duel number was all right, howdy, what we see is what we got, there we go. I'm pretty comfortable. Howdy, will we see emu under field goal at akron? 

58:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I like akron oh god, that's yeah. In the dredges of the mac there, emu again last week wins a game they have no business winning for. Like the 30th time in the last eight seasons, yeah, I would lean that Akron way too. Three and a half, let's. Yeah, I'm in. There we go. 

58:49 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Best bet Akron plus three and a half. Yes, sir, boom, I'm in at three and a half. There we go. Best bet Akron plus three and a half. Yes, sir, boom. Yeah, give me some action, some action at three and a half. Yeah, you better grab that phone. I was going to say I got to grab that. 

59:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was just looking at the board I got to grab that. 

59:04 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Three and a half. Yeah, you got to. That's what I. I can't wait to move back home. I am speaking from ignorance, so don't get on me too much. We do not have Vandal in Nevada, are they like this, where everything is shaded a half point? 

59:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think that's part of the strategy there is to, I guess I mean, I'm not in the trading room, but like everything is a half point off of market to then garner some more action. 

59:36 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think, all right. Okay, I've just noticed it since they became a sponsor on the show and every time they pull up a game, uh, it's always shaded a half point. Yeah, a lot of times on the right side where I'm like not getting a good price there but uh, all right, interesting. 

59:51
If somebody's watching from fanduel, reach out to us. I'd like to know if you guys do, if that's on purpose. Austin M in the chat. Are we on Temple? Yeah, we answered that. One Best bet Step on a duck took a position out on Virginia minus four and a half. We love your thoughts, guys. I think that's the right side. How could you bet North Carolina right now? 

01:00:10 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, not. Carolina right now. Yeah, how am I there place? Not a bet that I made, but I would know you at on that. I just um, yeah, I don't want to back North Carolina, but I really would have needed a little shorter price there to want to get involved. Um, I don't look Virginia. They've had some uh, I mean they've been sick. It's also been a pretty like BC, louisville, clemson back to back to back. Now you get North Carolina. I think they're. North Carolina is off a buy right here. Yeah. 

01:00:46
Yeah, I to be on duck to be honest with you if things are. 

01:00:52 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
North Carolina. All right, well, let's see where we're at at the end of the week. 

01:00:57 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I would be, I'd like I mean. I got to read up on North. Carolina. If this was earlier in the season I'd be like boom plus five, no doubt. 

01:01:05 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
So what's the? What's the sentiment around them? I what's the sentiment around them? I mean the four losses in a row, the way they lost their last game, giving up a 75-yard touchdown run with 15 seconds left. The game's heading to overtime. I just don't know. Are they going to show quit or not? I don't know. People are talking about FanDuel Brinks Picks. Yes, fanduel shades often Always shaded Rocco. They don't copy lines, they want to take more action from Garrett. Fanduel doesn't deal whole numbers generally. Connor, thank you for that. 

01:01:34 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:01:34 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm all right. One more, this will be the last one, the crib. Three oh five. Hi guys, great show Thoughts on these three picks plus 25, illinois, virginia tech minus 10 and a half, tulane and North Texas over of the three, I'll take Illinois plus 25. Where's that at? 

01:01:54 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
yeah, I was gonna say that seemed to yeah, that was it's like 21 and a hook is that? 

01:01:59 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
what he meant to type he may, I may might if it's 25 illinois, you got three and a half points, buddy. Yeah, illinois out of that virginia tech. I mean it looks like, uh, obviously Georgia tech's quarterbacks out, he's King again. I'm not laying 10 and a half, though, not on a scratch against Notre Dame. Uh, that's a well. Georgia tech's well coached and in the weeds, recruiting very well too. 

01:02:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They're in the top 20. I don't think it was funny Cause the way that game played out, especially first half, I didn't think Pyram was that bad, no he wasn't Second half. Give it to credit to Notre Dame. They made some adjustments. It felt like Georgia Tech, just kind of. They had a great script first half. It kind of ran dry in the second half. 

01:02:43 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think there was only there was very limited possessions. That first half I think each team only had four, so they were playing at like a service academy pace, maybe under in that game. I have to look. Uh, ryan nelson, joey k brad, uh, you guys talked about vandy texas game. Where are you leaning? Uh, I, I laid 17 with texas. I mean, normally I still would lean that way, or no, this would be the like. 

01:03:12 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
This would be your typical Vandy spot for this year's team. It would be get a big number. You know, slow pace, all that stuff. I don't know, I don't know, man, you're paying a premium now on Vandy, yeah. 

01:03:24 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I mean, they're getting who's better, Texas or Alabama, Texas Right. And yet two weeks ago Alabama was laying 24, right. 

01:03:35 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, and I think you saw a little bit of the we'll call it the limitations sometimes on Bandy against Ball State there. So I think their defense is real, like against a real offense like Texas. So I think their defense is real, like against a real offense like Texas. I think your defense is primed to get shredded. 

01:03:58 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Yeah, and I know Texas defense wasn't great last week, but Texas defense is better than Alabama's in my opinion. All right, I got nothing else. 

01:04:08 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
man, I got a question. We heard about it in the chat a lot last week Every time the game was brought up. Do we have an update from the Blue Horseshoe on the Oklahoma State-BYU game? I'm pretty sure he was touting his own picks here in the chat and we got the best of it with Oklahoma State plus 10. 

01:04:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You know how the game went is you don't see a horseshoe? In the chat today. 

01:04:33
That is really. You don't see a horseshoe in the chat today. That's all that. That is really. You know how you always you don't even got to follow his pics does know how the horseshoe is rolling, because when it's hot he's everywhere the mouth of the, the mouth of the west coast. When it's cold, he's a ghost. You know. You don't see him in the chat, he's not tweeting. Uh, you know. So, yeah, it's been a tough stretch for the horseshoe last four to six weeks. 

01:04:56 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I think he's won overall, but he's just had. I mean, why he does some big money lines makes no sense to me. You know, just bet him fine, give him out to the world. No, what's the upside? There is none. There just isn't. But yeah, I guess he's not in today. I'll have to. I'll have to do a wellness check on him. Yeah, I think he did. I'm trying to think. I think I think he did. Okay, though this week, uh, I'll have to look outside of that friday night game. He told me how bad my play was, remember. He did have. Uh, uh, he did have the total in the memphis north texas game. 

01:05:33
He did well with that one okay uh, derek says do you not like steve? He's a huge fan of brad's, that's how I found this, this channel. Uh, we're having fun. I mean, you guys gotta know, I mean we're having fun. Yes, I do like fez, but I he has his faults, like we all do, and I'm not afraid it's like a wrestling rivalry. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. 

01:05:58
Everyone asks me it's a wrestling rivalry, so we go after it. It's good for content. I got nothing else, man. I hope your Wolverines get somewhat better, but at least your Lions. I hope your Lions win it all. I love the locker room all I love that. I love the locker room there. I love Dan Campbell. I'm rooting for him, to be honest with you, in fact so much that I was thinking I was like man, I got to get a Lions hat. 

01:06:22 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I was going to say you need a Hanau Blue. I am going to get it. 

01:06:25 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
I'm going to get a Lions hat. 

01:06:34 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I really like what's going on there, but I got nothing else, man you got any closing thoughts? No good, uh, let's uh recap the best bets. 

01:06:37 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Oh yeah, good call temple plus seven, love it. They're live akron plus three and a half. Love the number. I think they're also live wake forest playing the number there. I think stanford might be dead. I'm. My win total is dead on them, son of a bitch. Uh, michigan state plus five and a half. Live a and m good number minus two and a half. I, anytime we. My win total is dead on them, son of a bitch. Michigan State plus 5.5. Live A&M good number minus 2.5. Anytime we fade Brian Kelly, I'm happy. Kansas plus 10. It's good. And then we did Game of the Year line. Lsu plus 4.5 is going to be really good. I think they will not be getting more than three unless Nussmeyer gets hurt. I got nothing else. 

01:07:08 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Okay, unless Nussmeyer gets hurt, I got nothing else, okay, way to kick it. That's how we do it on a Monday baby. 

01:07:14 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
That's a lot of best bets. I think that was a pretty good show. 

01:07:17 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:07:18 - Brad Powers (Co-host)
Let's get after it. You guys have a great week. Enjoy the Conference, usa Max and all the midweek action there. We'll talk to you guys on Friday at 5 o'clock. Thank you to all the comments, questions, concerns. You just watched hit the books, part of the hammer betting network sponsored by FanDuel. See you Friday.