00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
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00:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's Circle Back, part of the Hammer Betting Network and presented as always by Underdog. I am Rob Pizzola, to my left Kirk Evans, to his left Jeff Feinberg, rocking that Masters green Green jacket. It's a good time of year, gold jacket, green jacket. Who gives a shit? You looking forward to Happy Gilmore 2? No, no, neither am. 

01:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I. It will be horrible. Yeah, guaranteed. And it seemed like they made it on a fly, I know it seems like the whole thing was rushed. 

01:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I'm going to watch it obviously. 

01:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's fine and I'm going to watch it. Obviously it's fine. I'm paying for Netflix, yeah, of course, even if it's like a bad 90 minutes, like the floor could only be so bad, but my expectations are zero, so it could actually impress me. 

01:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yep, I mean, sometimes going into it with zero expectations is actually better than having high expectations. Jacob the giant Grimenia is producing today. We have a jam-packed show. Of course, this is the show where we review the week that was on Gambling Twitter, and it was a very eventful week, as you can see in the rundown. We'll start it off with some college hoops. Jacob lead us in here. 

01:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Well, everyone saw this, but it was a pretty brutal collapse by Duke overall in the semifinals of the NCAA tournament. They were up big. They were up 10 in the second half and then the late stages of the game, they were up by I think it was 68, 67-61, with like seconds remaining in the game. So people were victory lapping it before the game even ended. And then Duke haters got their wish, because I think Duke has to be one of the most hated sports teams in all sports professional and at the amateur level for NCAA. So all-time collapse from an all-time hated team, which led to one of the best days on gambling Twitter, starting off with people victory lapping early here is at BartBets over here who said early. Here is at bar bets over here who said if you're betting on houston today, go call 1-800 gambler because you're simply you simply don't know ball or know what you're doing. 

02:50
I have to say there were a lot of tweets like this. It wasn't just bar bets who posted something like that. However, not many people said pre-cashing this going to bed, love seeing everyone saying houston was a good bet. And then there's dumb shit like alex caruso, who does a lot of dumb shit online. He said, draft kings already has the script posting a screenshot of the look ahead line of florida duke in the national championship game, even though you know they post look ahead lines for basically every possible finals matchup or championship game matchup. They do this for multiple sports, especially if in the semifinals a team is up, big People are engaged in the game, therefore are maybe going to bet something. It must be Christmas Day when it's like a semifinal or like a conference final, because he gets to reuse this same tweet every single time. This happens and his followers, I'm sure, just absolutely eat this one up. 

03:49
There was Jay Croucher, who posted Duke Moneyline the type of beat where you half expect to see the money in the account afterwards anyway. As none of that surely happened, I will never forgive any of the principal actors in that cataclysm. Jay Croucher, sharp Better, who we've seen on Forward Progress in the past, so appeared to have a little bit of money on Duke in this one, but the rest of the tweets here we had again people who love hating on Duke. Dave Portnoy of Barstool said that has to go down. One of the greatest chokes in the history of sports. Congrats, duke. You will always be remembered as choking dog losers and this White Lotus photo of one of the main characters, the father. I forget his name now, timothy. 

04:33
I want to say yeah, I think so, but he I don't listen if you haven't seen the show. I'm sorry we're going to spoil it here, not the finale but wore a lot of Duke gear and was thinking about killing himself and pointed a gun at his head at one point and he's wearing a Duke shirt. So soon as that episode came out, everybody had the ammo and said Duke, better not lose this one. And they ended up losing before the championship game, so everyone had that one ready. Even ShadyBeeb got in on the fun saying Dad, tell me about 2025. Duke Final Four collapse with the video of Vince McMahon crying kind of yeah, cutting the neck, and the last one here. Well, actually let's go to these first before we go to the last one here, but overall the collapse. Did you guys catch the game? 

05:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, so I unfortunately did not. I caught it in pieces. So I was at a friend's um bachelor dinner on saturday night and, um, I was at stk in yorkville. Here I had we had like one of those circular, uh half moon tables for the and I had the the best view of the tvs so I could see what was going on. But I wasn't really paying attention and I actually didn't know that Duke lost this game. Like I didn't know until the next. Like I woke up and I was like what the hell is going on here? 

05:52
Uh, so, because I was just following along in real time and they were, they seemed to be in control the entire time and it's kind of upsetting. Uh, listen, whatever it's a friend, I'm gonna like always go to you know bachelor party dinner or whatever, but I do love to be online when stuff like this happens and missing that it's it's kind of weird and sad to say it's like rob touch grass or whatever. Like you know, get outside, get some air, but you only get like so many of those over the course of one I'm trying to think of, like the last one, where everyone was just going nuts on twitter simultaneously. 

06:25 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I could think of one, 28, 3 obviously comes to mind, but not really, it's not really sports, but it's happens and it did involve a lot of betting because I know I was someone was smashing. 

06:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That night would have been the um biden debate. That was like a like yeah, great memes. 

06:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It was almost like. 

06:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Sporting like In terms of Of like Twitter and it just being this Reactionary thing. But I was just trying to think Of like a communal Twitter, usually at Super Bowl party. You're just with, you're at a party, right? 

06:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well it's also like you almost don't want to. 

06:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Even if you're not at a party, you almost don't want to be the guy tweeting through the super bowl like that's a bad. That's one thing like super bowl. 

07:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm almost not online at all during the super. I don't see the reactions in real time. This is a type of thing on a on a saturday night, most people are watching this game. It's like the big thing happening, and when, when shit starts to go off the rails and you're like, oh, this could actually be happening, I like to check in in real time. I always have because Because I mean, I think back to when I was younger, when we worked at the score back in the day, like 2008, 2009,. 

07:29
We didn't have social media, so something like this happened. I had to sit on my thoughts for like the entire night. We'd show up to work next day. We'd all talk about it for half an hour, then we would move on. Now you can like live it out in real time. You get it's like all these reactions at once. I miss, I, I miss, I'm. I'm seeing this stuff now. I wish I could have been there in real time, would have had a great laugh. I also can't stand duke basketball, so that would have been like a contributing factor to me being able to enjoy this moment even more I was asleep. 

08:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was like 11 45. I remember five and a half minutes left up nine. That's what I like, remember that and I the next thing, pre-catching this one. 

08:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was watching, I fell asleep the game. 

08:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The game went late. I got three young kids. I I didn't make it. I didn't have enough action or any action on the game to like hold me up, and I didn't make it. I was shocked. I saw that score the next morning and, yeah, I was shocked. 

08:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I definitely had some money on Duke, but nothing serious enough that, like when it started to turn, it was like it's so fun that this collapse is happening, that like, okay, I'm starting to cheer for Houston now, now, even though it was obviously like I was cheering for duke the whole game, yeah. But then when it the collapse, it was like, wow, this is insane. 

08:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I would never be able to do that. But after the fact, if it was like, if I had money on a team that's like easy to hate, or like sometimes you don't mind the world teaming up on them, it's like, oh, I did lose that and that sucks, and rather than money, but there is some small joy in it being them. 

09:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's why I'm like they forgot how to play basketball. Like a team forgot, and when you don't like that team, that's amazing stuff to go through in real time. 

09:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Apparently, this Duke team, though and I say this like knowing nothing, but just watching and listening to stuff was like way less hateable than some of, like the other, the duke's teams of years past. Maybe that's a coach kate thing, maybe they didn't have like that yeah annoying, like hyper annoying little white guy or big white guy. 

09:42
Yeah, apparently this team like was tough for college basketball people who do hate Duke, because it actually was a very likable group for me it just comes down to as as a sports fan, as someone who just like grew up watching sports, love sports. 

09:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I like to see things in the moment when they happen, like I remember specifically where I was at and what I was doing for for big events throughout history danny it's masters week, danny willett masters, jordan spieth completely pissing the bed. I'll never forget where I was that day. I was at a blue jays game. In the afternoon I left. I caught the rest of it at real sports with a group of people watching this. Like I lived through that. 

10:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When the second ball went in the water I got naked. My body was so hot, like it was steaming. But like the temperature, like it was, yeah yeah. 

10:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So for me to like relive this after the fact, it kind of depresses me a little bit. It's like I, I just yeah, I, I didn't experience it live. I can't say that I did and um, I mean it's I don't know. It just like stuff like that bothers me. I just never want to miss a big thing that happens in the sporting world. I don't know if I can, you know, relay that any better, so covering this actually now bothers me a little bit, although I see tweets like this, pre-cashing this going to bed. That's so funny. How have people not learned about the pre-cashing stuff yet? 

11:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What was the score Like? What was going on? I'm not defending it. I'm not defending it. 

11:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
They're up 10-4. Their win probability was probably comfortably above 80. It may have even been above 90%. They're up I think it was 67-61, with like 30 seconds left. But the weird part about that tweet, or 45 seconds left. 

11:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The weird part about that tweet is like it was never that comfortable where you would be going to bed at like a normal time, because if you're watching like the real collapse was 30 seconds, so it's not like you're tweeting that with 30 seconds left in the game being 30 seconds, so it's not like you're tweeting that with 30 seconds left in the game, being like oh, I'm pre-cashing, go to bed. So he probably tweeted that in the second half with 10 minutes left, but he wasn't going to bed. 

11:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's just for clout, because he wasn't going to bed. 

11:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It also could just be one of those arrogant, confident tweets where you expected Duke to win before the game and now they look like they're going to win. 

11:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You just convince yourself, it's over it's also sometimes like you could post something like this and if it does go south, you get engagement. So yeah, like you know, you end up. 

12:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
People should report tweets like this they should report it to twitter and put the reason as like being a completed like, if there should be suspensions handed out on twitter for people pre-cashing bets the only uh sorry, the only animosity I have. 

12:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I don't really have the animosity towards duke that other people have, so I think the only shame about the collapse was that there was an absolutely brutal call that aided Houston in the comeback, like Cooper Flagg got called on a brutal loose ball foul on a rebound. I saw that one you could also argue whether loose ball fouls should count as stuff for the bonus. But maybe, if you're like, we shouldn't argue that, jacob. 

12:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We shouldn't argue. We shouldn't change the rules of basketball like they've always been, to appease people who are upset about a 50-50 call. 

12:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Sure. 

12:51 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It was a bad call. 

12:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That's a much larger conversation. Anyways, the larger your animosity towards Duke, the more you enjoy that. A bad call also screwed them in the result of this game a little bit. But beyond that, they gave up some bad buckets. They turned the ball over on an inbound, which was horrific as well, so there was a lot more to it than just that. 

13:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The bad call stuff kills me. Like by that point they'd already collapsed. They were up one. They got Proctor bricks a free throw on the front end of a bonus and Houston was getting the ball down one with 35 seconds left. Like the fucking over the back call. Like okay, obviously it was a material call, but like if that's what you're bitching about, you're a loser. 

13:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I swear, though I'm just saying like I'm just saying, but I'm saying it would have been more enjoyable. 

13:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That was a mad like I just never have that instinct, unless it's like so brutal to for the team I'm rooting for to go after the ref after a game. Like I just never understand that instinct. I find it so annoying. Like, okay, if you're a Duke fan or you were cheering for Duke, how about you? Don't blow the lead, get a couple inbound passes in, don't break the free throw If you're really bitching about the Cooper flag over the back like you suck. 

14:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But this is how people consume modern-day sports and again, I sound like a boomer here every time I talk about this stuff. But you and Jacob are both significantly younger than me and when I was growing up watching sports, bad calls happened all the time and we just never even really talked about them. There was a Super Bowl. It was Seahawks-Steelers Gross. Thinking back on it now talked about them Like there was a Super Bowl, it was Seahawks-Steelers Gross. It was like thinking back on it now. 

14:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The worst job ever, bill Levy's even apologized. Yeah, after the fact Like 20 years later, like I wouldn't want to hear that. That was as disgusting as not handing the ball off to Marshawn Lynch. 

14:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sure but in real time it was nothing. 

14:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Not handing the ball off to Marshawn Lynch was the right decision, sure, whatever I can debate that, I don't even care, I don't even. I just mean, like that was about that, the Seahawks got so goddamn screwed that night. I Super Bowl 40 but like the, the discourse the next day on that Super Bowl, well, had nothing to do with because you had a preeminent franchise victorious and I, don Bowl, had nothing to do with the Steelers. Well, that's because you had a preeminent franchise victorious. 

15:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But I don't think it had anything to do with that. It didn't have Twitter, like literally everything nowadays. If it was the, Steelers getting screwed. 

15:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm telling you it would have been a memorable Steelers got screwed. 

15:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, fair enough, different franchises and fan bases. I can somewhat buy that, but nowadays everyone's betting on sports. Most people are losing betting on sports Guess who they want to blame. They want to blame anyone but themselves. 

15:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So officiating is under the microscope. 

15:34
But unfortunately or fortunately, you could say it's because of the betting and because they're in bed together with the betting, that they have no choice but to expand the replays as much as they can, and like they have to find the line and like what's stomachable in terms of, like, slowing the pace and delaying the game, yeah, but also expanding it to as wide a birthing hole as possible, because gambling is so integrated and they're now league partners and team partners that it's got to be right, it's got to be seen I will say what made this even great greater after the fact was knowing that sean perry lost 1.1 million dollars. 

16:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Although we don't ever really know, I feel about sean perry's mom yeah, it's true, his family's mom lost a million sean perry's trust lost a million when his parents die. 

16:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That version of sean perry might have lost a million, but this version probably didn't lose a million. 

16:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
So so he. So this is according to himself, so you kind of just have to take it for what it is. But he had a million dollars on the line in a betting competition against At4C Predictions. It's an AI bot that made a bracket alongside Sean Perry and the only real difference in the bracket was that the AI had Houston going to the final and Duke going to the final. So Sean Perry victory lapped it early saying this is the freest million I've ever made, Ended up losing. But also, apparently, Sean Perry had a sizable bet on the game of $100,000 at Circa. So who knows if these bets are real, but Well, the Circa ticket was posted. 

17:12
Circa ticket sure but the million dollars against the AI bot. I'm not sure if that's confirmed. 

17:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like is Sean Perry going to pay a million dollars? No one knows. I mean anyone who's ever come across this guy talks about how he's a stiff and a deadbeat in some capacity. So who knows? I gotta, there's lots of stuff that he's gonna ask to fight you after this. I'm not gonna be interacting with sean perry after this, that 4c predictions having. So this is an ai. Uh, that's generating a tournament bracket. It would be very, very unusual to me that the AI would have Houston beating Duke. That's what I thought Like. 

17:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's a bad AI, but none of what you're talking about really makes much sense to me. 

17:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, I thought that as well, it's a two-person bracket, you just pick every favorite. 

17:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You guys are saying, like the bracket's the same, like it was the same at the Final Four. 

18:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, basically it came down to this game. It came down to this game, it came down to this game, but obviously they had different picks. 

18:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Sure, yes, yeah, okay, got it Similar enough where this was the swing yes. 

18:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
In a two-person bracket to have Houston. Well, he tweeted. 

18:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is the freest thing I've ever made. It wasn't. This makes it even so much better. Honestly, like I don't like Duke basketball, I don't like Sean Perry, it as a brand. So having them take a and he literally had to place that. Whoever is staking sean perry at this point? They're. They really got to be like scratching their head. They got to be like man. I don't think we're ever getting our money back from whatever he might owe us. 

18:33
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19:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Well, we're going to stick with Duke. When we go to the next topic here talking about free play futures, this is one that comes from Jeff Rosa, who's featuring the show a couple of times now. Basically, jeff Rosa was posting college basketball plays last season. Went pretty hot, so decided for this season to make a dub club start selling picks. The pick selling has not gone very well for anybody who has bought those picks and we keep having to put him on the show for things like this. He made a post saying I genuinely am pissed when I really shouldn't be. I love this Duke team too much man. And he posted a screenshot of some Buckeyes tickets where he had Houston, florida and Duke all to win the national championship. He had Houston at $80 at plus $700. He had Florida at $91 at plus $700. He had Florida at $91 at plus $1,400. And he had Duke $165 bet at plus $800. 

20:32
But what people learned very quickly on this one is that there was an FP beside all the bets, meaning that all of these were free plays, and he didn't actually lose any of the money on these plays. And he even got called out by Shady Beave, who we've covered one of their collab bets in the past they seem to have a good relationship with one another. Maybe not anymore, because Jeff Rosa deleted that tweet after Spinfluencer called him out and other people called him out and Beave said this is loser shit for posting it and they had a little bit of a back and forth here. But I found it pretty odd that Shady Beeve actually turned on Jeff Rosa a little bit like this. But I'm sure you guys have a lot to say. You know, posting free plays like that, not even that large amount for somebody who's actually selling picks what do we think? 

21:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, people will get really mad at me for saying this, like people legitimately are going to get upset. I actually kind of feel sorry for jeff rosa a little bit at this point because the the the thursday crew, the friday crew excuse me, thursday recording, friday release of circle back talked about uh bill crack crackenberger tweet where he talked about a friend winning some parlays in the early going and now he can't convince him that. You know, parlays are a bad thing. Jeff Rosa is a young kid, went on fire in college basketball last year and that naturally just gets to you. 

22:00
You'll have a million people come out and be like Jeff you're not a winning college better. You'll have a million people come out and be like Jeff you're not a winning college better. It's like it's like the mob, the mob movies, where there's like a random guy who's like pretending he's like a gangster, but the rest of the gangsters can sniff them out right away. They're like this guy's a phony. That's basically how I could compare the entire Jeff Rosa situation on Twitter, where you had a bunch of people of like dude, where he had a bunch of people of like dude stop, you're not gonna win, you don't have an edge. And and then he's eventually sold picks. It's not gone too well. Now he does stuff where you know he's posting, I would assume, like images for clout, really like I had all these teams that are in the final four they're all free play teams. 

22:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think he's saying here like, oh, like I've. He's been like hyping up duke all year, but he's actually on all these teams, so it's not actually bad that Duke lost for him. 

22:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I haven't seen a market cornered like this since GRP. He's saying I'm pissed when I shouldn't be, because he's pissed that Duke lost because he's been hyping them up, but he said he shouldn't be because, oh my God, look at all these great positions I still have. 

23:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, exactly, I've never been offered a free play on the street. Yeah, I mean, that's again, Jeff, like getting free play from a Buckeye agent would be a pretty strong indicator that you're a mark. Basically, I don't know Like, I'm not getting free plays from Buckeye agents, You're not Jeff. I'm not getting free plays from Buckeye agents, You're not Jeff. I'm not getting free Buckeye. 

23:27 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This is one of like you were saying like they get sniffed out. This is like the most obvious signal ever of like wow, this is your remark. You are not a real better. 

23:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's like I cornered the market but you like told on yourself yeah, in a sense, and that's the thing. 

23:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know what that tweet is supposed to accomplish. I guess it is supposed to accomplish that I am a great batter. I have these other great positions as well. Sure, I've hyped up Duke for a while. They lost. But okay, I have a few other positions, both Florida and Houston. I'm guaranteed to win one of these futures. But accompanied with that FP, that free play, it doesn't look so good. Uh, and I will say I don't know what it is with people deleting tweets, but it might as well just be an admission of guilt, like just leave the tweet up, you got to own it, man, you got to own it. 

24:19 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But, but I agree with you, like I don't agree with you in terms of feeling bad because, like, at the end of the day, how old is he? Like I don't know he's in his 20s I guess yeah, he's in his 20s, like he's not, you know, a kid like it's still his responsibility. 

24:31
He's still the one making money for selling on dub club. But I do totally agree that like it was like he hit a parlay. He got hot for a bit, clearly, you know, got a bit of an inflated ego and has been kind of exposing himself all year and it's been a tough watch. Yeah, like who? 

24:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
are going to be the 20-year-old kids that are going to profit long-term just by handicapping college basketball games. Not Jeff Rose, but it's not going to happen really Like think about who's. 

25:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know, about that. I know smart people who win college basketball, who are 23. Okay, fair. 

25:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
From like a they're just handicapping games themselves. No. 

25:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Oh, I don't. I guess you're saying he just looks at the teams and is like yeah, you know what I'm saying. 

25:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
His eyes, his power ranks Right, Don't you know? I got it. I'm not saying nobody. 

25:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Obviously, people can win betting anything right, but it takes getting to a certain level to be able to compete. 

25:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Like he's releasing college basketball sides on game day. You're sounding like somebody else right now. No young man can win at sports betting. Oh, here we go again. 

25:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, no that's not what I'm saying You're right, jacob, I do sound like I want. I am very open-minded when it comes to it. But again, it's game day, college basketball size. I guess I know people who are competing in this market and what it takes for them to win and, um, I don't know. 

25:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I kind of just I feel like you think he's betting on vibes and like, oh, this is a good three-point shooting team against a team with a slow pace and doesn't really have any math background. 

26:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've been around on gambling Twitter forever to know that what's happened to Jeff Rosa has happened dozens of times. I've seen it over the years. Okay, there was David. Demann was a guy that was respected on gambling Twitter completely went into shambles. You know, I want to get into this personal story. There was a guy named Enrop many years ago. Same thing College basketball picks really well thought out, write-ups, handicapping, the games went really hot one season Everybody started tailing Boom. Everyone goes bust after the. There's so many Like Jimmy Shivers. Great, great guy was posting a pick on every single hockey game every day and people were tailing who's doing well, like it happens, you know, even when barry horse first came on the scene I'm not suggesting barry horse loses, but like he was so hot for two months when he started, by the time everybody started getting in on it, he started losing. Over the course of the time everybody started getting in on it, he started losing over the course of the rest of the year. 

27:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Like it, it's just gonna happen to people right, and getting hot immediately is almost a recipe for disaster 100 and there are just so many people betting and so many people posting that some subset is gonna get hot over a period of time, even if those people aren't actually winning bettors and have no edge. 

27:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right, I will say 100%. Try not to delete your tweets. Yeah, just don't, especially if you're going to start arguing with people afterwards. Just leave it up. Just leave up the tweets. 

27:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Next up here we got some reporters talking about betting, and usually sports reporters. When they talk about betting it's a recipe for disaster, because they may know a lot about sports but it doesn't mean you necessarily know a lot about betting. And we have some prime examples here of exactly that happening. First, paul Charchian Is that how you say it? I have no idea. Honestly, he has no idea. He does work with Fantasy, and Radio Minnesota Tweeted about NFL win totals. He compares JJ McCarthy to Sam Darnold here, because JJ McCarthy is starting for Minnesota this season, sam Darnold was starting for them last season, and last season Sam Darnold won 14 games with the Vikings and this season the Vikings' win total is set at 8.5 with Sam Darnold in. I hate this man the implication from paul here. 

28:26
Stupid, the inflation paul here is. Uh. He suggested that betting markets are implying that jj mccarthy is five and a half wins worse than sam darnold, despite what he called clear upgrades on minnesota's roster. And this one got widely criticized because you know, obviously, like you could say, that the vikings ran a little bit hot last season and there's a lot more variables than just comparing quarterbacks. But we'll start with this one here before we go to the next one. What do you think, rob? 

28:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean like it's just reporters tweeting sports betting. It's going to happen forever. It's you just. 

29:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know any better They't know they don't, so it triggers me you almost feel bad for them in the sense, because it's like a lot of them are in um like. If you're in print or radio, they're like don't, and their, their industries are dying, and the sports book money is like the last vestige, and some some of them even like the fact that they have to talk about it makes them like so upset, and then they instantly feel an obligation to talk about it. That's more like big picture. This one, though, is just I hate this math so much. 

29:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean obviously, like anyone who is even casual bettors would look at this tweet and be like, obviously this is not the public believes JJ Mug. It has nothing to do with the public, first and foremost. Second of all, using a team's final regular season wins and then comparing it to what the market opener is the next is not telling you anything. It really isn't. There's a lot of things that there's luck in sports as well. What was the vikings win total last year going into the season? That would be, you know, a better comparison than maybe their final note overall wins. 

30:13
I it's aggravating, I will say. At least this guy, from what I saw, wasn't like doubling down when people started to point it out. Because the infamous ones I've arguments I've always had with reporters or when they tweet something like well, if you're betting on spring training, you're a degenerate, and it's like classic, no, you're. You might be like I sure, but there's actually lots of edges to be had on spring training baseball that you'll never get in the regular season or postseason, and you know. Then you'll argue with the person and then they'll tweet back at you like again like oh, tell me you bet. Like tell me you're a better, without telling me you're a bet like stupid comments like that and you just go, don't go anywhere. To me, that's the more critical error that a lot of the the quote-unquote reporters make when they're talking about betting is that they then argue their points against other bettors who are telling them they're wrong. 

31:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, no, I totally agree. And and the problem with this tweet also is the implication that is, that if sam darnold had signed with the vikings, they're like they would open up at maybe 14 and a half because they have upgrades at guard, center, cornerback and defensive tackle, like. 

31:23
That's obviously not the case. No team opens at 14 wins. It's just a tough thing that even the smartest reporters I follow I find really just they'll say the classics of like oh, the Lakers win total is this high because everyone loves the Lakers stuff like that. So yeah, I think it'll get better over time, but it's not great right now. I saw these ones from Ben Albright. 

31:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
If that aggravated you this one is going to be way worse here. This is Benjamin Albright, a Broncos reporter, and he tweeted about draft markets and he suggested you could lock in a profit by betting both Jadur Sanders and Jackson Dart as the second quarterback selected. Sanders is currently minus 550, and Dart is currently plus 350. So he suggested if your books don't have limits I'm reading it directly If your books don't have limits on draft box, draft props, you can probably bet both sides at one, or both sides, one at one, one at the other. So he's saying you can bet both sides of this at minus 550 and plus 350 in a market that is not two-way and profit Even. If this was a two-way market, you still would be very far off of an ARB opportunity. 

32:37
But this is not a two-way market. There are a lot of quarterbacks that can go second in this draft, so that was a bad one. And then the other one he has here first offensive lineman selected Campbell at minus 125, Membu at minus 105. Both are intriguing. So again, this is not a two-way market even, but minus 125, minus 105. Yeah, you could bet both sides a college national champion, but yeah, they're both intriguing. What sort of value do you have here? 

33:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
uh, I, I actually don't mind ben albright, benjamin albright, I know that he's been tweeting more about sports betting recently and again, this, this is just to my, my, like it's gonna happen. I mean, when this first started happening, I would get really upset, right. And it's like, and this is just the way that the industry is working now, like, if you're into sports, you probably have to have some sort of betting takes as well, especially if you're covering the draft. By the way, like, if your books don't have limits on draft props, what books doesn't have limits on draft props? Of course, they like think, hey, to be fair they probably wouldn't have limits on this idea. 

33:50
Well, of course they like think, hey, to be fair, they probably wouldn't have limits on this idea. Well, obviously not if you want to bet minus 550 and plus three. But okay, like there's so many things that are wrong with both of these, that it's. I actually can't help but laugh. First of all, if you were at, if you even had an arb on these, do you know what you could possibly make off of a draft arb? You like talking like $5. 

34:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's no market right now. Don't tell Elf. Don't tell Elf man, You'll be all over it. Imagine betting both sides of these things. 

34:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I don't know. I mean it's just like another situation where, again, I don't want to pretend like I know everything about Benjamin Albright, but very clearly I think that there's some, uh, some betting stuff here. That's maybe-. 

34:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
What do you think that could get down on a market like this? 

34:29 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, I don't know If you're betting like this, an infinite amount. Honestly, like you know how people talk about um I'm trying to see, like what the actual profit would be yeah, like I don't know. Like Circa, I think was thinking 300, 400, we talked about. 

34:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So when 400 we talked about, so when out of minus 550, I will say in when in the last uh, couple weeks adam churnoff started releasing some draft stuff, as did um vegas refund. 

34:53
Yeah, that guy as well and uh, I went to a pretty big props mover. Um, yeah, he was on, he was a call customer service, juan martinez. He was on circles off you can check out that interview if you want to over a year ago. But I went to him just to see what the market is looking like right now and he's like, don't even bother asking for another few weeks, it's very much in its infancy right now. You'd have to have some sort of, let's say, vip account and even then you wouldn't want to bet something that's going to close well on one of those accounts, but we're so far past this tweet Limits. 

35:29 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I know he mentioned limits, but you know how people talk about infinite money glitch. This is like a legitimate infinite money losing glitch, yeah, yeah. 

35:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
So if you bet, $1650 to win $300, I think I have that right at minus $550. So if you bet $1650 to win $300, I think I have that right at minus $550. If you were to hedge with the dart play, you would automatically lose $133. And that doesn't account for the possibility of losing both of the plays. 

35:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, listen he very clearly fucked up and in his head he was thinking minus $350 and plus $550. I think it's clear as day that. But it's not a two-way market anyways. I agree, but he believes that it is 100% certainty that it's going to be Sanders or Dart. 

36:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
But even that is a reason to put this up, it's just double here. Yeah. 

36:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Albright is one of the more fascinating NFL, like beat reporters. 

36:23
When you say fascinating Not many of them end up in the New York Post for interesting things. Right, you mentioned with this Paul Gentleman on the previous tweet that he quickly caught on and it was explained to him he didn't double down. Albright's the type to like triple down. I actually I'm hyper curious how, how, like when someone he does trust, who he knows is a good better I assume is in his orbit explained it to him how he came back to his audience because he's the last guy to like I. 

37:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I fucked up. It's funny. You mentioned that. So albright has a really large following and there was tons of engagement on this tweet. And, by the way, jacob here, when he's put this together, has just highlighted two of the six points that were in the original tweet. So there was a number one, a number three, four and five, and those were not egregious whatsoever, they were just like draft takes. These were the betting related ones that were egregious. Somebody did mention to him about number two not being a situation where you could profit on both, and he responded which I thought was even more egregious than this about how, like you can use odds boosts, you can use profit boosts to get them to a spot where you can what are we talking about? 

37:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's what I'm saying. See, like the doubling down. 

37:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sometimes you just got to be like you know what, my bad, I actually confused the odds or whatever this might be. You don't have to be an expert about everything. Yeah, people make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes. You know it's going to happen. But and I'm not suggesting Albright doesn't have any betting knowledge, because I think he does yeah, I think he does, like he's definitely. I've seen tweets. 

38:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's been tweeting betting for a while now yeah, I don't know his full and like in terms of like I'll give him flowers, like I think in the NFL coaching carousel, like before any domino fell, like he predicted, like 85% of it. Yeah it. 

38:20
Yeah, so like he's connected. He followed him as a chargers fan, like I just follow him because for bronco stuff and he's it like he's clearly connected to to that team, but he's all like he. This is. This is worse math than the win total guy. Well, if I, if I was if I was taking. 

38:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So me and kirk uh, I'll speak for kirk. We're on like the sharp side. We win at sports betting. Um, there's all, there's porter ba analytics. He always pops in whenever something like this happens. He's, like you guys realize, like you need people like this in the ecos. This is good for us as winning bettors. You, you want, you want someone who has this much credibility in the space, tweeting to the masses with really bad advice. I personally, I completely agree with that, but I I don't know why my head cannot process. 

39:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When I see a bad something like this, I get triggered more than I am like, oh, this actually helps me in the long I'd rather it be like the beat reporter, like overrating an injury situation that like the books or the models have like accounted for, as opposed to this like just sheer, like, upfront stupidity of like simple mathematics on the layout and the return on with any denomination. 

39:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's a tough look. Yeah, just leave it at that. A lot of the reporter comments are tough looks. 

39:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
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41:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
uh, chris collier, uh, babe, wake up, circle back. Smackdown versus raw. Era has arrived. Um, I actually just want to. We have never really talked about this at all. Do you feel any sort of rivalry with the second show? No, what? 

41:17 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
they want to have one that's what I was gonna say. Only because they push it so hard. 

41:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's exactly where I was going with it. Like I, I listened to the show. I'm like, wow, these guys really want like some serious beef between the two shows. What was? 

41:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Nadeau. Nadeau's not wrong. I think the collective followings we would lose, but Nadeau's the fucking. I'm not going to be smirch. 

41:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, let's call it out for what? It is. Kirk has a very small social following. 

41:48 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's a back-to-back episode. 

41:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I am just stating the fact, but I think Flop Somebody said Flop, put it out there. 

41:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Flop has a smaller following than me, but Flop countered it by saying like, yeah, nadeau, like your following's big, but I actually think, like Pozzola, might be the biggest draw of the whole group in terms of sports gambling. 

42:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
listen talk I I, I don't I don't care how this comes off. I really don't. I get engagement. I know that from my following. Like if, if I, if I like, like I was saying about the omar spaces last week, if I take, if I do a fucking like live show of me taking a shit reading a newspaper, I'll get more views than than his show I will. I'm telling you I actually will, like I have enough of an engaged following where I will. So do those guys, but like I don't have any beef. 

42:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If something happened this week, like between their recording and one of them tweeted something that should be here, like we'd go in on it. But I don't have any. I like them all. Yeah. And I guess you look at it like a car we're raw, we're not SmackDown you look at it like a car like an F1 garage, like both. I guess there's a car one and a car two, though, but I don't know. 

43:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is Kanish, though, like Kanish he lives for, like the contract, he just is trying to stir shit up at all times. 

43:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like it's a 100% Kanisha. Do you know what it would take for me to get angry at any of those people on that show? I know Kanisha could say some things, but I don't even think he'd mean them. 

43:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So it'd be hard for me to get angry. Yeah, I would just laugh. That's the thing. When he says stuff about me, I just laugh. I don't even like. 

43:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He came on here, he sat in this chair. He's like. I wish feinberg was here to do 30 minutes with him on palestine. That was the first thing he said. 

43:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That's the first thing he said, uh well I like those guys and I like the show yeah, you say, you say you don't care, but also you, you want the thumbnail for this video to be the A team. So I will say, damn right. 

43:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I, you care a little Mayo Media Memes. You know that guy, he does I know him on the internet. 

44:01
Yeah, he sent me the. He sent it to me and said you should use this as a thumbnail for next week. I said, lol, like love it, we're using it, it's good. Thumbnail for next week. I said, lol, like love it, we're, we're not, we're using it, it's good. But yeah, it's like, if we're gonna have like the, the back and forth of like who's the a team or not, I think we'll. We'll let the viewership decide I would say oh yeah, who? 

44:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
who's winning in? 

44:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
in that let's say, this team is, uh, is winning no, but here's the thing I think like as a fan, I I enjoy it. I look forward to that show. It makes my Thursday morning commute Friday morning. Yeah, at 8 am Right, I enjoy it. I think 90% of the people are listening to both. I would think so. It's pretty high. 

44:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's a big crossover between both and I hope it continues that way. Honestly, it's great. I listened to it on Friday morning as well. 

44:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, it's good, rob doesn't hear it ahead of time, so he's just as excited as you, I like different perspectives. 

45:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That was the whole point of creating the show and I think it works well. Simone Hunter 2 says weird for Fezzik to call out Kirk's appearance. Jason Says weird for Fezzik to call out Kirk's appearance. Jason's mullet and Moreto's mustache are far more offensive Do we have pictures of? Does anyone know what these guys look like? You might have to edit this in post, jacob. 

45:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Oh, you want photos of Jason, I want image. 

45:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I need people to see Jason's mullet. Jason has been on at the Leafs game. He's been on TV twice in the last two weeks. Like I got to say those are good seats. 

45:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's going to be a great capper. He's going to be a great capper. That's why he's going there. 

45:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's why he's going to all these games. Moreto looks like Austin Matthews. Yeah, absolutely. He will hate that because he's a Habs fan, but Moreto looks like Austin Matthews, but he must get it when he goes out, does he not get it? Like get it in the sense of like people saying he looks like Austin Matthews, like dumb people. I'm like guy's married with a kid. 

46:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like, just people who are like no, but not no, Like my mother-in-law, I think that's Austin Matthews. 

46:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know Moretto's. Moretto's hairline's better than Austin's. 

46:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
How tall is Austin Matthews? I guess Moretto's also tall Matthews is huge. I don't know Moretto's taller than Matthews by the headshot. 

46:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
By the headshot 6'3", 6'4". It absolutely plays in the headshot. 

46:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Let me look up Jason. 

46:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Smollett. What do you guys think about Jason Smollett? Fits him, it suits him he looks like trailer trash Jason. 

46:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Austin Matthews is 6'2" Moretto's taller than him. 

46:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, Moretto's taller than. 

46:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Matthews, I could see it though. 

46:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
People in public are like no, that guy looks 6'3" Moretto's also rather skinny. 

46:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, E-Colt Zero, Jeff and healthy. Has he been doing clap push-ups like Elf? I don't think that's the truth. You don't think you're thinner? 

46:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know. I think it was like a hibernating winter for this polar bear. Listen, I don't like numbers, rob. It's like I explained to you on the golf course. I don't need a number to know how I played. Like that ball. It's getting up there like contact feels good. We're like green side into. Yeah, if I'm gonna like go down in six, 27 feet from the hole like I'll still feel good, the, the scale. I know how I'm doing by the pants. I don't need a number. 

47:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, how the pants feel is, is, is the number, that's your scale, and the pants are like they're feeling okay, but okay I would say like this jacket. 

47:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When it was gotten for me as a gift eight years ago it was like really tight, okay, now like it fits kind of comfortably so I guess then you're good but. But, like in the spectrum of football season, I think I've gotten fatter and we're still in that, so I don't think so. 

47:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Well you're stopping on your coach parade. 

47:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it's okay. 

47:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You've got the compliment here. 

48:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When you're like it all plays. 

48:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
King of Car Seat says, becoming more cultured, have now had to investigate the use of washroom, as well as Jacob continually calling parentheses brackets. Hashtag Great White North. 

48:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Dude, I've never in my fucking life said the word parenth-. I have a list. I'm not even going to fucking try to say that word now, but-. 

48:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I will admit that a Canadianism of saying washroom doesn't really make a lot of sense. 

48:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What about restroom? You go in there and take a nap. 

48:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We do a couple things like soda or pop. Which one's ours? Soda Cola, I don't know, we say pop. We say pop, pop, and they'll say it to an American. A lot of Canadians say supper as well. Instead, of dinner. 

48:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They'll say supper, it's not me, I. They'll say supper, it's not me. I say I hate that, I'm not. And then there's honestly I, this is I'm there's no way. 

48:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I what do they call washroom, restroom, bathroom, bathroom, bathroom, bathroom, all stupid bathroom and and one of us does a fourth grade and the other like grade four. 

49:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, americans do fourth grade eighth grade we say college, university too yeah, we say like universe we use. If it's the university of toronto, we say I went to university, whereas this is like college everywhere in the states when going to college, right, so there's lots, lots of those, but I will say I'm calling bs on americans using parentheses instead of yeah, I, I've never like it didn't even dawn on me. 

49:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
This was like a possibility. I was using terminology that wasn't widely accepted there, like people don't say in brackets. 

49:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, but you know what they do? They do use parentheses because in school we learn bedmas, bedmas B-E-D, and they're pedmas or pendas or something. 

49:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Was it in reference to math or was it? 

49:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
in reference to writing. No, it's in reference to I guess. 

49:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Fezzik had that tweet where every second word he had to put something in brackets. 

49:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Parentheses? Yeah, I would never say parentheses. 

49:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm sorry, I've never heard that before. 

50:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're Canada Dry. I'm Canada Dry. 

50:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's so good, man. As a reminder, we are doing swag giveaways here every week on Circle Back. This week's winner of a very nice package what's including some hammer gear, circles off gear, bet stamp gear is going to at ItalianMamba08. At ItalianMamba08. You just have to email us circlesoff at thehammerbet. Give us your sizing. Give us your sizing, give us your address, we will get you a swag bag. 

50:35
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51:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
And, of course, even if you don't want the swag, do the same stuff as well, by the way, talimamba08, do we think this is a 2008 born person that's won this A 16 year old? No, can't be. 

51:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It might be. Oh wait, it might be. I look at the youtube dem demographics. I don't know. 

51:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm gonna say no yeah, I'm gonna say no, maybe just a novetkin fan yeah or uh, lamar jackson, maybe another number eight um all right week. 

51:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We also encouraged people. I don't like this. 

51:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You don't like that graphic no, I like the graphic. 

51:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You were the one that offered this. 

51:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What do you mean? You don't like this. This wasn't even part of the script last week you asked for it. 

52:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jeff famously said that you know you want to impress me Like show me pictures of your kitchen. I added the walk-in closet thing myself. We did get a few entries last week, so I'm gonna turn. This is like when max homa critiques other people's golf swings. Can't do that anymore, by the way, because his swing ain't very good but I do have like a bit of kitchen expertise. 

52:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Uh, not like personally, but my mother's an interior designer. Okay. And like big on kitchens and yeah. So I just lived through my house in and out forever. 

52:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You're absolutely the expert on this panel. Yeah, yeah. 

52:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like some good ones, like some old school like Jays and Leafs as well. Do you like the Princess Margaret homes and stuff like that? No, not really that stuff, all right. 

52:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know why. I would ask that. That's just very insane if you actually did do that stuff. Anyways, we do got some submissions from last week, submission number one here Okay, so obviously this is like. 

53:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This just feels like the whole floor plan of the place, to be honest, because it's upstairs. 

53:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
How can you tell it's upstairs? 

53:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just have the window in the back. What do you mean? 

53:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What a good. 

53:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh my, I did not catch, so this just seems like it's like a duplex or like a front level, so this actually just seems like the whole floor plan of the space, like excessive cabinet in the kitchen. I'm not complaining about it, this is a banger kitchen. 

53:36 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, it seems nice. This is a great take, because I would have looked at this and be like holy shit, that's like an amazing kitchen. But if it's your whole floor plan, then it's like I'm just saying it loses a little bit, but obviously the bar. 

53:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
we might even have two sinks, no one sink. 

53:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
How do you feel? 

53:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
about the sink on the island. I don't love the sink. I don't like the sink on the island. 

53:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I gotta say sometimes I see sink on the island. There's like two sinks. Yeah, there's literally two sinks on the island. I don't mind, there's a nice little tile backsplash on the I don't know. 

54:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'll tell you what I love. You could use another thing for sure. Yeah, you could. There's a lot of counter space. 

54:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This also. I want to take down a couple points. Rob, this clear looks like the real estate agent photo. It's just too clean that was my first thought. 

54:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I don't see a toaster. 

54:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
There's just nothing going on, there's just nothing going on. 

54:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Here. 

54:24 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
There's a little bit in the second photo here I don't even. And those top cabinets are never getting used. 

54:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, the top top ones. 

54:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, you're like storing some like. 

54:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There might be some vents that run through there as well, maybe. 

54:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, you might be storing like some big cooking things up there. 

54:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm a big fan of kitchens that have the hardwood that's running through the rest of the floor that also runs through the kitchen. I'm not a huge fan of like when there's a divide and it turns into tiles in a big room. I think that looks jarring. I personally think this is like a nine and a half. 

54:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's lovely. It's lovely. Yeah, it's a banger Bangin' kitchen. It's lovely what? 

55:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
else we got here, jacob, we got this kitchen. 

55:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay, yeah, who sent this one in? This looks like it's been lived in. 

55:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What do you think about this kitchen kirk like, looks like they've got a bunch of kids is my thought. 

55:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, like yeah this stresses me out. You're a fan of this one I think this is nice. 

55:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think, yeah, like again, nice, nice um marble, nice backsplash. 

55:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I love the waterfall on the counter, like you see how the marble comes down the side of the counter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very nice. That's a very nice aesthetic. 

55:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I don't like you see how the marble comes down the side of the counter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very nice that's like a very nice aesthetic. 

55:34 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't like. You guys are pointing shit out that I would not there's, uh, there's kids. 

55:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's why the wives come with ideas. 

55:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They're like oh, fuck yeah there's kids and dogs clearly in abundance here. 

55:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, um, yeah this is je right. 

55:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I sent this one in. 

55:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
So if this is, my kitchen. I'm pretty happy that Rob forwarded it to me because I wouldn't have known it was yours and I probably would have ripped this person to shreds for how messy it is. 

56:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, no. How do you live like this? What are you talking about? I got three kids and two dogs. 

56:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I get it. 

56:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
What do you mean? What is that when I, I, I cook, I cook all the time like I? I would explode if I had to deal with this mess yeah, this isn't all. 

56:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This isn't like fresh or clean, but this is just like. This is the action. 

56:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jeff, I really like your kitchen yeah, but I will say this picture gives me anxiety because I have no kids. Yeah, my countertops are always clear at all. 

56:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, that's like uh, there's like there's appliances up there, there's like a whole thing. You know how many bottles it's nonstop bottles going in and out? Yeah. 

56:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Do you see like I also noticed the dog bed on the floor right in front of the fridge? 

56:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, that, just like moves around can get kicked around. There's nothing too serious about that. 

56:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I like the finishes. It's very nice. Where's the dishwasher? Is it over here? Yeah, there's dishwasher. This is a peninsula, is it? Two microwaves? 

56:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, it's a toaster oven and a range and a microwave. 

57:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, toaster oven is kind of like a stove, isn't it? 

57:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, it's not, Not really. Um, no, it's not. It's like a toaster, but it's like a toaster oven yeah. I have a stove, the stove is just too. 

57:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't want to get into it, but there's just too much. It's too high tech. 

57:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's just that, was it? Because the only thing I really notice is the stove, because I like to cook, but I don't know shit about design. 

57:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I would like to like. There's just too many things with like kids like that that don't need that level stove, that the toaster oven is just more, uh, way more efficient. 

57:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But yeah, listen, it's uh. Three kids, two dogs you don't have you don't have to, I I there's a lot going on here. I like the whole setup. 

57:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I like your flooring for me is like an island set up here. I know you, normally we do but listen we are run over there. 

57:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Normally used to be bar. We got bar chairs that are in the basement that would like go on that side. Fair enough. But like, yeah, I don't know, don't, don't clip this. My wife might be horrified that I shared the messy kitchen. Don't worry, we won't put this to social jeff, it's okay um what else we got it over yeah, there's a lot, there's just a lot. I could have taken some of the kids' toys off that counter, but what am I going to do? Yeah, yeah, don't worry. 

58:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right, Different color scheme for this one. We got dark cabinets like a darker wood, instead of the previous two, Jeff's Kitchen, and the other one had white. 

58:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I also like this. This layout is 10 out of 10. 

58:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not a fan of the coloring, though the corner sink. 

58:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Uh there, it's like the rich, the rich mahogany. It's um like I, yeah, I got it's in intense, but I, I don't mind it, I don't know it's nice I love the island man I like that island island so that you can clean on one part and it not affect the eating section. 

58:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That's unreal, that is really nice. 

58:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The only thing I will say about this one on the left side a lot of the older kitchens would have this like little seating area because there used to be like a phone. Yeah, in the house I grew up in had something like this yeah, it's time to update that maybe like a little bit, maybe make that as like pantries, but aside from that, You're right, though that used to be like, yeah, like messages. 

59:14
Yeah, you'd have your phone there and you'd go and sit down and, yeah, check your messages and whatever. When I lived with my parents. 

59:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We had one of those and I could never understand why that section was there until. 

59:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
A different time, or like writing, like there's a pen and paper sort of going on there. I believe we have a closet as well. 

59:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, this is the bathroom slash walk-in closet. It's hard to see what's going on here. 

59:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm envious of anyone with a walk-in closet. These days. 

59:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's nice, it's well sorted. Yeah, you got lots of hanging. 

59:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's hard to know the scale. 

59:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it's hard to see the scale, but I got no. It looks clean, looks nice. I like the floor tiles. It also looks like. 

59:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We can't see from the picture on the left, but I think it looks like a his and hers type of en suite where there's like two different sinks on opposite, which is nice. I can tell you that that's fantastic. For sure fantastic, for sure. 

01:00:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, that's really good, all right, you can send in more of your kitchens or walk-in bathrooms. Uh, those are like horrific ones that were sent in that have been. Yeah, I mean better there was the one. 

01:00:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I did a reverse image search and it was just taken offline, so someone was trying a little too hard. 

01:00:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
But if you really want that first one. I reverse image search so I actually thought it was like a real estate. 

01:00:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
One of those were like really clean like courage to me, for God, my wife will I'll send mine in for next week. You were a good sport about it. You know, yeah, yeah, and that was all yeah yeah, I should have waited till, like after the cleaning lady went right through there. 

01:00:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's what you got to do that's no, I like it more authentic. Yeah, that was authentic. 

01:00:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, other than humans in the shot. 

01:00:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Props to you All right next up. Well, maybe I don't know, but like too authentic. Or I don't know what this is, but pick selling has gone too fucking far, man, this is out of line. So Betting Queen here at the Betting Queen pick seller on Dub Club says I'm only posting my picks early on at winnable bets because my VIP plays always get leaked on Dub Club. So if you want my full card, check out my winnable and let's meet at the bank. So we're now selling picks in two different locations. 

01:01:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You gotta buy both it kind of goes higher. People will do like the VIP plays and that's like the pay Two different locations. Let's meet at the bank. You've got to buy both. 

01:01:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I like that it kind of goes higher. Yeah, that does. I back that. 

01:01:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
People will do the VIP plays and that's the paid. Then there's free plays that are given out, but two different sections of paid plays is a new low, and God forbid we see other people try and copy this. 

01:01:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
She lost me, Sorry. The meet at the bank. I've actually never heard that from anyone, like from a tout scammer, even legitimate. 

01:01:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, it's like meet at the counter. 

01:01:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that is great, yeah, we'll meet at the bank. Let's meet at the bank. Yeah, I guess. 

01:01:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You might be going there for a loan when you pay me for that Meet at the bank, so I can take a pull more from my line of credit. 

01:02:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We've worked with people who've like yeah, they had to go to the meeting at the bank, but it's like to refinance. 

01:02:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, what's stopping you at two platforms? Why not go to like WAP as well and sell on all? 

01:02:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
three One sport at Winnable, one sport at WAP, one sport at Dub Club. 

01:02:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, this is obviously about as unserious as it gets, but like think about if you're a Dub Club subscriber here, like you're like oh okay, now I get the even shittier plays later. Yeah, because someone is leaking. 

01:02:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I wanted to point something out here. In theory, if you are a winning bettor which the betting queen claims to be you give out a pick. That line's leaving because it's a good play. Therefore the line's going to move. So if you're a subscriber on Dub Club, getting these like later in the day or getting different plays like, there's no chance you should be able to get the same line. But the implication is here is that you're gonna get the same plays on both the same line? 

01:03:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, I. So, first of all, does betting queen claim to be a winning better? She was on the elf spaces once and I had to leave after five minutes because I could hear like someone whispering answers to her god well. 

01:03:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
So, like she said, let's meet at the bank. I think that implies she thinks she wins yeah I don't. 

01:03:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it might be shtick. I honestly don't know. I I don't know for sure I I will say this about touts in general, I share a less extreme viewpoint than you, kirk personally, and some other people out there which are like basically all touts are bad. 

01:03:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't think I share that viewpoint. Someone I wrote my newsletter and Logan Matthews said I was saying yes, all touts. I don't know how he came to that conclusion, but I think I'm somewhere in between. Okay, Sorry, just surface level. 

01:03:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Look at here at the dub club um. I love handicapping games and picking winners for the people. I've been betting sports for five years, been doing excellent, which is the term she used. So I want to share my wisdom and help others win, so yeah, it's kind of like a little bit gray area, leaning towards saying sure, but not outright saying it. 

01:04:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I think the reality is there's not going to be a tout who's marketing their package as being like I'm a long-term loser, come buy my picks. Right, there's levels to it, all right. I'm at the point now of like, if you I can't believe I'm going to say this If you're like dumb enough to buy the betting queen's picks, I almost don't have sympathy at this. Like there's so many signs, like just search her on Twitter and there's like accounts dedicated to tracking her. Like you would find the elf spaces where she's At some point. 

01:04:53
I'm for the people not getting scammed now like at some point the natural selection is yeah, you know real well. 

01:04:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I feel like my take has always been like the onus is somewhat on the people to not buy the picks, but like that doesn't make them less shitty. Right, you're doing it like, yes, you know, do research and understand who wins and who could help you win, but also that doesn't make the people selling picks, who are obvious losers, any less shitty. 

01:05:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Especially if you sell on two different blocks. Yeah, of course. 

01:05:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say, knowing that leaking plays causes this much like this many problems for the pick seller themselves, I'm just going to outright say it Start leaking everyone's plays you buy picks for. There used to be forums that did this. What was the? I can't remember all the gambling forums that used to be on Capper's Mall and stuff like that, where someone would buy plays and they'd just post them. It's a violation of terms of service at a lot of these sites, but if, if you can publicly put them out there and all these pick sellers are not going to make anything, I'm all for that absolutely, I'm all for that absolutely I think like we need an activist class in um, sports betting, right like people that have done really well for themselves, that want to give back, right like some activism in the space. 

01:06:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
what I would suggest is a non-for-profit, where somebody buys all the packages of the scammers we want to expose and we just blast their picks. Yeah, every day there's a go fund me, so like people can help contribute to the cost of paying for the bedding queen's garbage, but nothing, like you say, rattles these people's cages more than and I guess like that makes sense why that would bother them. Like their grift is the grift and you don't want to give away the milk for free. Yeah, so let's you know, let's some activists, but it's the most obvious solution. 

01:07:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So there it is. 

01:07:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And people would donate. 

01:07:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, and it might be a leap, if you're truly out there to look out for the other bettors. Arguably, the best way to do that is to like pay for the stuff that they would pay for themselves and just make it public again. You're gonna have to like work around some terms of service stuff at a lot of these sites and stuff like that. But hey, like, if you, if you got the money, you don't give a shit but also like terms of service. 

01:07:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm sure there are like I can't post that for free. I can sue you. Yes, I guess we'd see a lot of things on the internet. You do it anonymously. You do it under an alias. If you're smart enough to actually do this, you're probably really good at the internet because you made a fortune betting on it for years that you have some hard to get that. That's just that much harder for that cease and desist to disappear. Love that idea. 

01:07:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's a good one. We need like a George Soros. We need like a George Riley Panagakis on this case. Well, let's say I funded him with the money to be able to buy. 

01:08:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's about to be on the other side. This fall, though, when he's the one, you gave him money, dude. 

01:08:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Weekly cinnamon apple pancakes are becoming weekly. 

01:08:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would say that this person needs to have like a desktop computer and be able to track these things it's a job for spin fluencer could do it. 

01:08:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, he would do it, maybe so who would be like the top, like five purchases you'd like, want, like who would you want to see them getting that? 

01:08:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm going to. 

01:08:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm going to see no comment for now. I don't want to jeopardize any potential uh collabs. 

01:08:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You nailed it, jeff. Definitely, definitely do not want to jeopardize the collabs in the future. Um, I don't know. I mean like there's so many. Name one not the collabs in the future. I don't know, I mean like there's so many Name. 

01:08:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
One Name one, not the betting player. 

01:08:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's absurd Name one person that I would like to see like their picks publicly leaked. Yeah, bo Wagner. 

01:09:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That's a good one that's good. 

01:09:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Believe it at that, and I'm not collabing with Bo Wagner anytime soon. 

01:09:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So that one's a. Nor are you advocating right specifically for anybody to do this right. 

01:09:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I kind of was no, I. I actually like, yeah, I mean like, uh, don't, don't break laws or anything like that, but uh, but I think like, if you do it, you see the stuff that, like man of the Vague in some of those spaces, is willing to pay someone like $1,000 or $2,000 to prove he's the guy. 

01:09:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's the guy right there, I'm just saying like there are people who I think would like fund you know round the first couple rounds of exposure For sure, yep. 

01:09:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Don't do this, but if somebody did it would it be kind of cool? Maybe, but don't do it All right. Don't do this, but if somebody did it would it be kind of cool? Maybe, but don't do it All right. Next topic here it's kind of spilled over into a second Circle Back episode because they're continuing to push this storyline I've called it the worst storyline in the rundown here because it actually might be the worst storyline and that is the storyline between Elf and Sean Perry. With Jeff. We can allow him to victory lap it. He called the fight the day before they had to have been pissed Like to-. 

01:10:16 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
All-time call. 

01:10:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, to make that call to kind of ruin it, it's right there, like Elf would pretend to be mad at Sean Perry. He's still pretending to be mad at Sean Perry. Sometimes in the initial I'm mad at Sean Perry, there was like g. Sometimes in the initial I'm mad at Sean Perry, there was like giggling in the background. Well, the type of shit people say about Elf on the internet, sometimes myself, sometimes, right now these days. Sometimes it comes from me and like he doesn't say a negative word about anybody, he turned on the guy who handed him 10k. Get the fuck out of here. Wrestlemania is in Vegas next month. 

01:10:54
Yes, okay, the dudes fighting in those matches are less informed on the outcome of their matches than this At this moment in time. They'll find out before they go through the curtain or that afternoon from a producer. This is all the work. Elf, the like fit, the girlfriend or the girl that apparently had an accusation against perry, all is set up. That person I don't know if that person existed. That person was never coming on. It was like a catalyst for perry to be like do that and I'll sue, you, do this and I'll do that. Remember, like the back and forth, we needed a reason. It is all. It is all fake. Every part of this thing is fake. I don't even think they'll actually get in the ring together but they don't have a signed contract yet. 

01:11:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And elf like returned home for one day to boston and now has already flown back out to Vegas to quote-unquote train for this fight, but also renting an Airbnb. Amanda Vance is meeting him there. They're filming content. I'm with you, jeff. He can tell me a million times no, no, this is authentic. It does not feel authentic. 

01:12:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He has an ounce more credibility than Sean Perry. He has burned any equity. Where I'm supposed to believe a word that he says Calculated, manipulative? Okay, the push-up thing that was under debate, that's like kind of been under debate. That was not a scam, that was a hustle. I think a hustle and a scam are two very different things. Elf, full transition here. He is making a transition. The transition is complete from hustler to scammer. This is all just a scam. It's a month build up to a fucking fight. 

01:12:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Because, he needs to appease the sponsors, Like again. 

01:12:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This thing is going to dry up. This thing is going like again, what's? This thing is gonna dry up? This thing is gonna, yeah, this thing. I'm with the story here. 

01:12:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Let me go through the story because, yeah, there's a reason it's it's as bad as it is, because because they're branding it like the winner I pray to god. 

01:13:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Bet online is not involved in this. They probably will be. No, they can list fight, but I mean like facilitating the month of it. 

01:13:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Well, here's a tweet that came out from Amanda Vance pick seller at Amanda or sorry, it sells on the website Amanda Wins. We've covered her on the channel extensively. We believe she is not a winning bettor strongly, but she did a video with her dad and said Papa Vance doesn't know the winner takes his daughter out. We need a video to my father from Elf and Sean Perry. 

01:13:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think they're also a couple now. 

01:13:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know. 

01:13:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean I would be yeah, I think they have. They have Content couple yeah, I think they've gone around the bases. 

01:13:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know that's speculation. I've definitely been asked that a bunch of times it's, I think, like I would lay heavy to the. 

01:13:57
Yes, this is the gambling twitter version no, this is the gambling twitter version of game of thrones, final season playing out in in real time, where you had, like this show that ascended to like it's you can't miss. Like season three and four of game of thrones, like red wedding, um, you know, mountain versus the viper, like that people could not miss that shit. That's how the spaces was. And then it started to go downhill over time and people were like I'm still invested in this because I want to see it play out. And then you get to the end and you're like what the fuck are we? And that's where I'm at right now, like I like elf, it's gonna be a month and I don't a month talking about like him training yeah, he's the central character in his own show right now, which I mean. 

01:14:47
Personally, I like elf. I don't find his day-to-day all that interesting where I need to know where his sparring sessions were, how he felt. I'm so out on all this. I'm literally so out on the entire. I do not care about Sean Perry. I don't care about the Amanda Vance storyline. I don't care about Brett versus Library anymore. I don't care about any of the people. 

01:15:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Brett and Library just got to fight and they can fight in a street fight. What do they need a ring for? I know. They just need, like, what do they need a ring for? They don't need a ring. They've been talking about it. They've been talking about it too long, I don't know. 

01:15:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You're going to watch the fights though. 

01:15:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, the fight itself. I will 100%, I will watch. 

01:15:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
The stories are stupid. The stories are stupid. Just say you're fighting Do you think they actually fight? 

01:15:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Because I would bet you no. 

01:15:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I would also bet no. What would you set the odds? No fight. 

01:15:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there's no contract as of right now. First of all, this is hilarious. 

01:15:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They're still drawing up contracts. 

01:15:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I get why it's happening and Elf's just jumping Mazzy. 

01:15:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Mazzy was promised his rematch. Elf just jumped him in the chin Listen, we've already given it too much time. You know what it's fake? There's nothing real, it's cringe. Yeah, but it used to be fake. Now it's just hard. Fake cringe Elf. I don't know man. I don't know man. 

01:16:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The guy Do you guys, we are. 

01:16:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Hold on the arc. We're on here, like with how quickly we're moving, Like the guy's gonna, I don't know what to say. Jacob might beep it. 

01:16:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, well, let's Beeps are good for business. 

01:16:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This arc is like Like gay porn. You might have an own. 

01:16:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Like it's where we are. 

01:16:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like porn you might have an own. Like it's where we are like celebrity box, like we're just pulling all the like um tale as old as time, I would say, on each on the path I don't follow this. 

01:16:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
What do you mean? This is like the end of the arc, like, yeah, it's the end of the art, like celebrity you get like a couple 15 minute of fame celebrities. Okay. 

01:16:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Next thing, you know we got like a sex tape. Yes, like that's all I'm. 

01:16:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yes, man, that was fine. Yeah, I know, yeah, I mean word what? 

01:16:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
you're about to say so you guys aren't tuning into these spaces anymore. 

01:17:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh no, yeah, Sorry, I didn't mean that I. This is how you reignite a little bit of the fame, you know, I just think it's a hustler to scammer. 

01:17:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's been a quick transition. What really pains me about the whole thing is I actually still love the beak. 

01:17:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You do love the beak man, it's hard not to like the beak. You do love the beakman, it's hard not to like. 

01:17:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's hard not to tune in like three times because the thing about beak is he, the voice is so good but he has these one-liners that he comes up with on the spot, like he just interjects when someone says something, like he has this wit to him and like I, I don't. I dislike all these other characters who are in on. Don't even get me started on like the steroids guy jw who comes in on. Don't even get me started on the steroids guy JW who comes in and preaches for like 20 minutes. 

01:17:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I actually think we should give away a prize here at the network, like a month of he's like a life coach. Jw like just personal life coach. 

01:18:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think that would be a punishment. I'm joking. 

01:18:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That guy, he's out there for sure. 

01:18:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It is I'm joking that guy's, he's, he's out there for sure it is. It is so fascinating the orbit for which elf now finds himself in. It's like the sun and these characters circling around. 

01:18:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But so we've talked very negatively about the whole thing. I I'm kind of out on the spaces quite a bit, but beak man like I cannot people don't know who I'm talking about. He sounds like little nicky, do your imitation. He always comes. He's like hey guys, uh, beak here hey, sean perry more like sean ferry am I right? 

01:18:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
you know, be like uh brett brett. You had your chance at library in the in the bathroom, but uh you, you turtle harder than uh donatello you know, sound like beavis and butthead. 

01:18:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's's always got like these one-liners, like you know here. 

01:18:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Nadu. I heard this girl. This guy wants you to bone his girlfriend. That would be like me getting advice from Pizzola on how to do my hair. 

01:19:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's always got like this random. 

01:19:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I found something out about Beak in the last week which I is cleared public information to beak um beak army, I guess, as they call themselves, rob the number one on beak. He is like a notorious and I guess which makes him be able to put in those hours in the spaces. He is like a notorious sports talk radio like fan caller, like his feed, since I started following him like he posts his calls to like serious shows and he's still the beat character. Yeah, I've never even heard him. He drops these one-liners. 

01:19:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He doesn't even break character no he just hey, guys speak here and then he always has like this the fight he comes. I cannot get enough of this guy. I just just he's what's keeping you around? Yeah, but at some point I'm going to figure out who he really is and it's going to ruin the allure for me of the I don't know, maybe he'll go heel one day, maybe he'll come all full circle at some point or another. 

01:20:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This fight, just to be clear, this fight, if it actually happens, it will end with someone fake going into an ambulance. I could see that happening. Like this is like. No, I mean this Kirk. 

01:20:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I don't disagree, but I just like the idea that now Elf and Sean Perry are going to see this. We have to scrap that idea. 

01:20:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like it's going to like chair shots, like it's going to be so stupid. So I do agree. I'll give Elf this A month like build up, talk about it. I A month like build up, talk about it. I don't care, I will watch the stream from the fight. 

01:20:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We're three weeks away from a plot twist where Amanda Vance's dad shows up and gives, like Sean Perry, a chair shot or something like that. 

01:20:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I can't believe this is work. I don't know. I can't believe this outsources the arbing that he's so good at. Well, people still like this stuff, by the way. 

01:20:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Run out of accounts arbing that he's so good at Well, people still like this stuff, by the way, so that contributes. 

01:20:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You run out of accounts when you're arbing Very quickly. It's hard to sustain that level of. 

01:21:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He quit his job to be in a Vegas house with Vance and pretty much Perry I know, and so for man of the library to stop in any time he wants. 

01:21:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sorry, who was that man of who Library? Okay, sure, that's what you said the first time. I don't know. I say what? 

01:21:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I say unapologetically you guys are out on this stuff but people are still in because Sean Orr posted this saying I have to applaud the Elves show. There are obvious flaws, the main one being that a known scammer is a regular panelist. But the show proves everyone secretly loves reality tv. The audience knows the storylines are fake, but show up for the drama anyway. 

01:21:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's good again an audience you like. I mean this. You only have so much equity with people, even the ones that really like you. Yes, no one likes elf in the way we like a baseball team because they won a world series when we were 10 years old like there's not like a lifetime of equity that they can be no wrong. It's a show that started two months ago. He can only like fuck around with people and ring them and like string them along for a charade so long before individually people start to turn on their own pace. 

01:22:16
Now listen, there are people who've been in the comments that, like months ago, were like this thing, like we're probably longer adopters than most me and you people warned us of this. 

01:22:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, like months ago. They're like ah, this is just like. This is all just garbage, fabricated drama. 

01:22:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like I'm not, I'll do something for the next show, nadu I do this could be dangerous for me. I love nadu. I come in peace, nadu. It's sometimes I don't know what's up with him and what he buys and what he doesn't, because he has these back and forths with elf and before I drop the shit about um, like this is a work, I workshop that to nadoo. But all this like, if nadoo sorry, this is where I mean it to nadoo if nadoo like feels like he did some heroic service by getting elf in touch with a lawyer when elf was going to interview this girl that claimed Perry sexually harassed her. Elf is just. I mean, nadeau is just a mark because that was fake. I think Nadeau's a mark. So Nadeau like and I want to give Nadeau too much credit for not being a mark, but he's like, no, like, I helped him. I told him he's got to contact a lawyer. Like you told him he's got to contact a lawyer, you told him to contact a lawyer about a work like a wrestling work? 

01:23:36
No, yeah, which means you're in the Mark territory, and when I told him I think the whole thing's a setup, he was pretty adamant to me that no Elf's done with Perry. So there, I don't know, I might get a grenade thrown back at me. 

01:23:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, you sat up in your chair, which is very unusual. 

01:23:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just find it like there are some people yeah, I think I don't want to say flopped there are some people that think they played the role of hero to Elf by telling him you need to hit up a lawyer and talk this through, Right? Elf was never doing that show. 

01:24:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You don't think so. You don't think that was going to happen. I've made that abundantly clear. I know you've made it clear that you think a lot of it is scripted. So you're at like it's full scripted now. 

01:24:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob, they had to get to the point where they wanted to fight. Yeah, they needed like a thing. 

01:24:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
They were already fighting weren't they. 

01:24:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You accuse me? Yeah, but this escalates. Yeah, you accuse me of a heinous sexual assault crime like a vicious crime. Yeah. And then I threaten to sue you. I'm already tied into a lie detector. 

01:24:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Like that show was never happening, ever okay it's hard for me to not just just and when the dumbest guy in the fucking room is two steps ahead of the two biggest scammers. 

01:25:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's a bad look for the scam I agree with. I'm like the dumbest guy here should not be able to figure out the scam. 

01:25:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right On the Nadeau. Subject Nadeau Rules. 

01:25:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, I mean it. We don't have to kiss his ass, no, no, let's embrace the rivalry. 

01:25:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Let's embrace it. Fuck Bosco, for sure no. 

01:25:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Nadeau knows I'm loyal. Fuck Bosco. Bosco would run away. I feel like like if Nadeau walked into a room. That wasn't like with this shit. You understand if they accidentally ran into each other on the street. Yeah, bosco would fucking like disappear. 

01:25:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But. But Nadeau always finds his way back because he's the best yeah somehow he'll be like I'm done with this goofy ass shit. He'll talk to me. He's like rob, I'm done with this goofy ass shit. They've lost the plot, whatever. A week later he's back there. He can't help himself. Yeah, there's something about these spaces that that draw him to it sean's point, I guess right and that's that's kind of the point. 

01:26:06
but even me, like there's part of me that always wonders what's happening. But now, because less people around me are like, I get a notification when Spanky speaking. So when I get a Spanky speaking notification, I quickly check in to see if he's actually speaking or not. If he is, I hang around and listen, if he's not, I'm out of there, that's it. 

01:26:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Now listen, like obviously, Elf is doing more than a couple of things, right? Yes, I'm not an idiot. I can take my shots. I cannot agree how he's doing things. He can do things however he wants. He's a 24-year-old. Someone handed him 10K, put him in a Vegas suite. That's very enticing and alluring. And now he's going back and he's renting an Airbnb. Be young, have fun, Do your thing. Go to and he's renting an Airbnb. Be young, have fun, do your thing. You go to Vegas. You're supposed to get sick and feel like shit when it's over, but that's all to say. Like I'm one of these people, rob, I'll listen if I'm walking the dog, if I'm outside having a smoke, anyone that's giving you attention at like 9, 10, 11 o'clock at night, like we've spoken about. They could be watching a game. They could be watching a show, a movie. The greatest shows of all time are all at your fingertips now. Like so even you get a thousand people to like not want to watch that and to listen to you. 

01:27:24
Yeah, I give you credit, yep so I think that's a fair way to close it, even if I think he is like fully transitioned, okay, from hustler to scammer I look forward to talking about this again next week hopefully not. I hope I might walk out next week if we talk about it again. 

01:27:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm so sick of, of this, this, this conversation, this one in particular. 

01:27:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The spaces or if the stick is real. 

01:27:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just miss the days of like a prominent person on gambling. Twitter is coming on tonight and a bunch of people just get to go and ask questions. There was a show last week. 

01:28:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just miss that he actually had an episode in the last week where it did feel like there were two scammers going head to head. Elf wasn't protecting or picking favorites, was it King, cap and Library? Yeah, that felt like, oh, this is a good shit. Like inject that into me, but this like Vanity. Elf's workout project. 

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01:29:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We got Ovechkin breaking the all-time NHL goal record over the weekend 895 goals Pretty ridiculous. He has the exact same amount of games played as Wayne Gretzky, the person whose record he beat Widely considered to be an unbreakable record, so pretty crazy. First tweet that we have here was from BR Open Ice. It was nice that Ovechkin actually scored a pretty trademark goal. It was a good goal, even though they were down 2-1. To score it, it wasn't an empty netter, which I kind of thought it had the chance of being, and he did it as well. So he's happy that didn't happen. But this is a great photo. Ovechkin on the beach. 

01:30:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
King Does not look like a professional athlete based off of the photo here but, that's kind of how hockey players look at a dive bar and went to play beach volleyball hockey players don't have like athletic I don't know bodies well, so like not like this. 

01:30:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Like obviously there's a pretty unique picture, unique angle, yeah, but like hockey players typically aren't shredded, they're like yeah, big bodies and, in fairness, if you're on the beach, it's like quarterbacks right. 

01:30:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They always make fun of like even. 

01:30:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Mahomes has a bit of a yeah, they're not like shredded, but this is a funny picture. If you're on the beach, you've had a lot to eat and drink. You can look maybe a little bloated, but yes, he doesn't look like the peak male athlete, I suppose. 

01:30:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I know. 

01:30:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
In this photo, islanders tweeted when he did score the all-time leading goal in NHL history. They said Washington goal 2-1, hashtag Isles. The great tweets, so good, I wonder they had to have like the social media team. I'm trying to think. 

01:31:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
They had a meeting. 

01:31:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They met beforehand, for sure that could also just be that's someone's job, like an intern's job is like like the goal. 

01:31:10 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's just all amazing, brilliant, any goal. 

01:31:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But, like who knows, Either way planned or natural is fucking perfect. 

01:31:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, great stuff. And then there was obviously Twitter finds everything Nothing is ever safe there At Curtis G Rush? 

01:31:27
unfortunately a bad one for Toronto, which is marked as a location. This tweet from march 13th 2014 said gretzky record of 894 career goals. Pretty safe. A player would need to average 50 goals for 18 years? Impossible in today's game. That was funny. I think the reply is even funnier. April 5th 2025, so right as the record was broken, or sorry, the morning of the record breaking says so you rummage through my tweet history like a desperate scavenger and find a tweet from 11 years ago and throw it back at me like I was the only one doubting this record would ever fall. 

01:32:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Really the cover up is worse than the crime welcome to the internet. 

01:32:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Curtis Rush Bad take lives on forever Take a bow. 

01:32:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You did it. Who cares If your take was wrong, just own it. Don't get mad at people for roasting the bad take. 

01:32:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There was one circulating this past week it was Colin Coward from 2018 or 2019 about how LeBron James will never have the longevity that Michael Jordan had. He'll never be playing deep into his career. 

01:32:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Max Kellerman had a thing about Brady being done. I think he went to like five more Super Bowls. Do you remember? Your worst take ever do you do like. 

01:32:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'll tell you mine, I know mine. Okay, what's yours when be overrated? 

01:32:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
when be overrated was your worst shipper fucking killed me okay. So my worst take ever was that the tampa bay buccaneers would have been better off. At the time. I said they'll be better off signing andy dalton than tom brady. Tom brady is washed and not a great fit for the offense because his deep ball has gotten worse. I'm like put andy dalton in that offense, he can throw downfield and I will own it. Terrible, terrible take, but I believed it at the time. It exists, you just gotta, you're not gonna have a hundred percent hit rate on your take. 

01:33:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When it's your turn, when you get do something and you get called to the fucking carpet, you just like have to accept your number has been pulled from this fucking lottery machine and you own it. And this is just the worst. This is so pathetic. No one rummaged through curtis's history. They searched some keywords yes, exactly this is and they found the gold. They were looking for. Curtis, like you got god. Someone did something incredible that no one else has ever done and you just own it and congratulate the fucking guy, but to Curtis's original tweet from 2014,. 

01:33:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
this record is insanely impressive. This is a record that people never ever thought would fall. The Gretzky single season record will never be beaten Like 215 points. Scoring is down a full goal from when. Gretzky single season record will never be beaten like 215 points. The scoring is down a full goal from when gretzky played like that but goalies take up like half as much space as they used to yeah, they aren't like charging out of their. 

01:34:21
Yeah, listen, they're not doing fucking you're not taking slap shots from the blue line along the ice that the goalie's trying to kick away. 

01:34:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, like with this and everyone else around you has been spending the last 15 years committed to fitness and dedication, and you've just sort of charted your own path. 

01:34:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've been all in on this for months now. I've been All in on what On this Ovechkin record chase? I love stuff like this in sports. 

01:34:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It kind of seemed inevitable at some point, Of course. 

01:34:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
but is it going to happen this year? Is it going to happen next year? It happening this year was awesome. Ovechkin to me he shattered his leg, yeah, but if you also remember, think about Ovechkin's career arc, right, and he was always considered. 

01:35:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Less than Crosby. 

01:35:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But less than Crosby. But less than Crosby and a choker. That was his thing until they won the cup that one year which, by the way, like him fucking getting drunk in like fountains, you know like yeah, he became so endearing to people, it's. It sounds really weird and I'm not racist in any way, I'll tell you this right now but it's very weird for everyone to like collectively love a russian-born hockey player. The way that ovechkin has been embraced by everyone around the league. Like nobody thinks of him in terms of because canada, russia, was a big thing for a very long time. The world doesn't it, the whole. 

01:35:54
He is, to me, one of the most likable personalities in the history of sport, and I'm not even just saying so like for me. I've been all in on this and, uh, to see it happen is amazing. I I just like I love the record chases. I just realized how much like growing up, jeff, remember the steroid era for us when we were young. I'd wake up every morning. I'm watching sports center what a sports desk, whatever the fuck it was called at that time. And you know, you see the sammy sosa home runs from the night before mark mcguire bear. Like those were amazing. That's so fun to root for in sports. 

01:36:27 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's so good that that whole take just gave me hope that maybe Austin Matthews will win us a cup and kind of take a similar arc to Ovechkin's career. Maybe. 

01:36:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're all fucking losers until they do it. They're all losers until they're not. 

01:36:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Peyton Manning was a loser Right. We were in. No, I was still in college when they played the Bears. 

01:36:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Dirk Nowitzki was a branded, a choker his entire career. Then he won a crazy one with the dallas mavericks and it's crazy. 

01:36:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He does not get that anymore. You know justin herbert, oh, and two in playoffs people that tell me like he's guaranteed gonna be oh and three, like they've already determined, the next time they play a game that guy's a fate fake because he's 0-2. 

01:37:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Everyone's a choker until they win, that's just pro sports. 

01:37:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Golf is the master of that. The thing about golf is you get more opportunities to be great than any of the other sports. Yeah. Like there's four majors in a year. It's like being great in the divisional round of the playoffs and then being shit in the conference final. 

01:37:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And you're back to being a choker. You don't need to rely on your team as well. 

01:37:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
More opportunity. But also, yeah, you as the individual have to accomplish it. You have nobody who can bail you out. You're right. So there's a tradeoff there. You know what I mean. But it did spark the Ovechkin thing. One last debate here, because people are discussing if they should rename the Maurice Rocket Richard trophy, which is the award that goes to the players scores the most goals in an NHL season. Ovechkin himself has won it nine times and now he is the greatest goal scorer ever at. Producer Drew Drew Livingston said Richard only led the NHL in goals five time time. Recognize time to recognize greatness. 

01:38:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Uh, I know rename the trophy yeah well. 

01:38:14
So I just, for starters, be like I used to work with drew. I still like call him a kid because, like you, work with people who are younger than you, even as they grow up and have their own family. Yeah, they're a kid. He's a great producer. He's moved on to do things. I still, he's still just the guy that operated camera two. To me, though, camera two Drew. So, that being said, I hate this take. I just hate it. It's like we're just supposed to always just turn the page on history. I get it. At some point we might run out of things that are worthy to name players after. In the same way, we could run out of numbers to maybe retire. I don't know what it just it just seems very well like the thought is legitimate. It's such a grotesque thought I love this take. 

01:39:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think they should do it because you're saying they might run out of things to name stuff after we're already there. It's only the early on players whose stuff is named after, but to me you have to respect Sorry. But I don't think it's not respectful. It is. The Rockets had his time. He was the first 50 goal scorer, I believe Correct, he's had his time it was his award and nice, that's great for him, but like went over your side. 

01:39:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It should change again I think like when austin matthews eventually breaks alex ovechkin's career goal scoring record, if matthews actually broke it. 

01:39:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think that would be reasonable, like if someone has done something so great like this and it's also such an obvious one of like he scored the most goals ever, he's the greatest goal scorer ever give him the award for for goal scoring. I don't think that's like. 

01:39:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that's awesome I honestly cannot believe how polarizing this tweet like became, because I'm where's gretzky's award but I'm so indifferent on yeah, he, he probably should be like the mvp. I'm so indifferent on the like. I probably should be the MVP. I'm so indifferent. 

01:40:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I could honestly care less about the Nets it affects my life. 

01:40:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If I have to call it the Rocket Richard or the Ovi Award, it doesn't matter to me. 

01:40:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're right, it doesn't. But Kirk says what he says and I can't help. But just the first thing that comes to mind is like of course the basketball guy would say that Basketball players like the past to these. Like no sport is disrespecting the past, no sports like league narrative. I'm not even saying it's fair to the current NBA player, but you just look at the discourse in all the other sports of like eras or even how Gretzky handled this and how you know, like someone's doing something in baseball and every all-time great will just come out and wax poetic about the new guy doing it. And basketball's just got this totally different fucking culture. 

01:41:05
Yeah, and that's why I don't know Kirk just did when LeBron broke the all-time scoring record. 

01:41:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was courtside. They did a presentation during the game much like the Ovechkin one. 

01:41:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That all gets overshadowed when it's like there's an era pissing contest. 

01:41:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's a lot of people who thought that was like way over the top to do that. 

01:41:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't think so Absolutely. Dude, it's a game against the New York Islanders like late in the regular season. I remember when Gretzky broke it, I was a little boy. It was magical, and I imagine like there's eight nine-year-old boys who, like, saw this weekend's event as like truly magical People are tuning into the Caps Islanders on Sunday afternoon because they were interested in the hockey. 

01:41:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're interested in the record being broken and what he has to say afterwards and like the whole moment. That's like how could you say? 

01:41:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
you know the islanders charging 45 to have access to, uh, your ticket printable. What a fucking grift that's a joke? 

01:42:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
well, I mean there's because you might not remember this, jacob but back in the day tickets were printable. 

01:42:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When you went to something special, the tickets mattered. 

01:42:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
They're commemorative. There were printed tickets in early 2010s. It's not like that. 

01:42:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I was just joking, but commemorative tickets like you're right first Raptors game. I have NFT concert tickets, man. 

01:42:24 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
How are those doing. 

01:42:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I don't know. There's like a token. You guys ever got those before? 

01:42:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like send us like a token you guys ever got those before. 

01:42:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like can you go buy a concert? Do you buy tickets on ticket master? They send you like a, a digital like token. Yeah, they, yeah, I don't know, I just scan it at the thing. No, no, but I'm talking about like something that you have forever. 

01:42:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh no, I'm not. I'm not familiar with that. 

01:42:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, no actual ticket school, but I agree I agree there's got to be a way. 

01:42:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know what the answer is. Of course Ovi should be honored. Of course Brady and Mahomes you'd hope could be honored. 

01:42:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Why don't they just call it the Rocket Ovechkin Award? 

01:43:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
No, I don't hate that. That's tacky Because he's the Rocket that's the nickname for. 

01:43:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Maurice Richard, You're right First person to score 50 in a season which is very impressive because of the time. Well, why don't they? 

01:43:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
get an award. That first person to score 50 in a season gets the rock. There has to be reverence to the people that laid the foundation for you to then walk through the doors and do what you do like there just has to be high level reverence people for that change the nba logo as well, which I think is that's crazy, it's crazy yeah. 

01:43:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Keep it, I get it. Change it to who? Jordan, lebron Kobe. 

01:43:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All that's been pitched Ten years from now, when we have the gambling Twitter award of the year. It's going to be the Feinberg. It's not going to be the Nadeau. 

01:43:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Feinberg paved the path so that Nadeau is the trailblazer here. All right, let me put more. I will just put air in Nadeau's tires. 

01:43:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
For chopping block this week. Let's make sure that the graphic is up on screen, jacob. 

01:44:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That way, matt Zilber does not. 

01:44:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I actually was about to skip the graphic. 

01:44:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yes, let's make sure that we do have the graphic up on screen this week this graphic that took me like 10 seconds to make. Anyways, glad you like it, zil. But yeah, first, first one from the chopping block. This could have been its own segment but we threw it in late. But a question was asked by nuclear golf at nuclr golf could you win the masters starting each hole on the green, but from the furthest spot away from the pin, so just off the rip. 

01:44:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Not enough details are known in this question to answer it fairly, so this became popular a couple years ago when someone posed this question on social. If I had to go to Augusta today and putt for the Masters, I would not win the Masters. If I could participate in the week like every other pro, where I have access to the course, I can play it multiple times I could like let's say same parameters as the pro, then I, then you get a caddy to get further competition 

01:45:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
if I had a caddy, I think I've got a shot. No caddy, I'm like no, no, shot the thing is rob. 

01:45:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Some of them are 80 foot like you'd have. The first part would be like an 80 foot putt with the mounds and the swales and as much as you think you could like smash it up there and lag it to like 25 feet and two and you catch a wrong spine like you're just done and we're like six putting. But if you three and a half it you'll win the masters. 

01:45:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If you average three and a half, what's gonna be the what's like an average winning score. So okay. 

01:45:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Well, I'll just take last year's winning score. So scheffler shot four under. Uh, the par of the masters is was 70 no that's a, that's a very low winning score. 

01:45:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He did not win it, four under if he did, there was a bad weather day oh sorry, that was sorry, that was round four yeah, okay, four my sorry, 11 under for the tournament, which is roughly, I think, in like the 10 to 15 under range I usually think of. 

01:45:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You. Shoot three under each day. 

01:45:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You win the masters yeah or be in contention. So if you shot three and a half, you'd shoot you dominate five 63 like three and a half per hole. You shoot a 63, you dominate. 

01:46:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You get on me for this take, they will get on me, me. But if, like I said, I could prepare for the tournament like a pro and I had a caddy, I think I would be favored to win the Masters, you think? 

01:46:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
you got the stones to make those four-footers? 

01:46:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, if you have three days of prep and you can just prep it to shit and know where you absolutely can't ride the spines. I'm very good on short putts. Your five-footer at home is not this five-footer, and that's what it would come down to, and you'd be so fucking nervous. 

01:46:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, there's people watching. 

01:46:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I would definitely be nervous, you're competing in front of the others. 

01:46:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You're like walking with Scotty. 

01:46:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I know it's like you walk with them the whole, but you don't hit a ball until you get to a green and then you participate like them yeah. 

01:46:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Amazing God. I would love to. 

01:47:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So yeah, I guess, three days of prep and the caddy for the prep. 

01:47:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Let's say no caddy. 

01:47:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what. I'm saying there's not enough. 

01:47:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I might rather the caddy than the three days of prep. Sure for me, Of course. Like if I got three days of practice rounds or a caddy for competition, I would take the caddy. 

01:47:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The real problem is, even with a caddy the first there's going to be a ramp, Like what's the stimp meter at Augusta 13? 

01:47:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And that's the thing, rob. I've played, like some of the places you've played, like I'm sure the slopes can be don't yell at me. Similar, like some level, similar, the speed is something is never. You've never even comprehended that speed. 

01:47:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I would say but with a caddy who, like, specifically knows Augusta, you could literally do like 10, practice putting strokes, and be like, okay, how about this tempo, how about this tempo? And the caddy would be like, okay, yeah, that one's the tempo. Obviously it wouldn't be perfect, but again you're starting on the green. 

01:48:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
My answer is very clear. If you insert me there today, I will not be able to do it. If I had prep, any sort of preparation, the more the better. Better. 

01:48:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I believe that I would be favored like I'd also you know, elf is going to entertain his listeners to a month-long training camp. I would enter myself in like month-long, like putting camp. We'd get brad faxon on the horn, oh yeah, and we are just like yep, yep, we are just non-stop breakers, grinders, 60-footers. 

01:48:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Love that, like the whole Everything. 

01:48:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Everything, yeah, training camp, love it. I don't think I. I think I'd buckle because I think I'd miss too many four-footers. 

01:48:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That's what. 

01:48:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would do. I truly think I, yeah, but if you smoke enough weed beforehand, you're not going to feel the nerves. 

01:48:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
No I don't, I don't trust myself at home on five footers. I couldn't trust myself there. 

01:48:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that's what it comes down to, because I think, like on most greens, you're probably I'm just guessing here you're probably putting like your first putt 80 to 100 feet. Does that sound about right to you on like furthest distance from the hole? If that's 80, yeah, you know, if you can, let's say if you have like an 80 foot putt, you can lag it up to 20 feet. You're in pretty good shape. 

01:49:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But the lag is just like a smash. Then that 20 footer you have to. 

01:49:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But the 20 footer doesn't matter. 

01:49:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
All you got to do is get it, you know the difference between two and five feet is actually huge though I think. Yeah, huge though I think. So you actually have to be very good at having the right speed and line on the 20 footer, or you're going to have 8 footers. 

01:49:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The 2 to 5 feet does make a difference, but your 5 footer is for birdie you know what I'm saying. 

01:49:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I have to grab some birdies though. 

01:49:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're going to start on a par 5. You haven't taken a shot and and you're on the green dude Like you might eagle that hole. 

01:49:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, eagle, oh yeah, I don't think you will. 

01:50:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But You're probably favored to birdie on that hole to four putt yeah to four putt. To eagle would not be egregious If you four putt everything you're shooting what 72, we said right. Yeah. 

01:50:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You need to be a bit under. You're making the cut. 

01:50:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's about it. Yeah, that would be very interesting to try the next one up here. 

01:50:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Rob's got to give more backstory on this one, but Rob tweeted Throwback to three years ago. Today, grp wins on the front lines ensuring BetBash's food was fit for consumption, doing the people's work. Spanky has never eaten a hot dog since this day. It's a bunch of photos of George kind of scanning through the spread of food at BetBash. This is three years ago. Rob Give us the full scoop. 

01:50:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So people have to remember this was before, like GRP was a thing on gambling Twitter right, I met GRP at the first bet bash in New Jersey. I only spoke to him for about two minutes. He tried to invade a conversation I was having with Alan Denkinson Dinky rest in peace and Dinky told him to fuck off. He's like get out of here. Like you didn't want to talk to him Because he knew who he was or he just didn't want to be bothered. 

01:51:16
Frankly, like we were having a conversation and then like george tried to insert himself and you just, probably in a very george yeah I was. So anyways, the next year I I was at the back of the room where you can clearly see I was taking this picture. I can't remember what the the talk was that was happening on this day, but like something weird was just happened, like Like I don't know what compelled me to take these pictures, other than that I saw this guy walking around and just like randomly looking at things. Like I'm like I got it, I got to capture this and I I forgot that these pictures even existed until this week where I was trying to like back up something on my phone. I didn't have enough Google drive space or whatever, so I'm like I got to clear out old pictures. So I'm going through old pictures, I uncovered this one, but yeah, this was right before. I wish I had the next pictures, which were fats, real fats wheeled up there and got security to escort George out. 

01:52:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was amazing. Do you know what the video of that would be like worth today? I know To like the video of that would be worth today. I know To the part of the internet, I love how much I'd love to see George with security. Rob, you were just taken aback by the hair, the gel. 

01:52:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
His whole aura. He's up to something here he was definitely asking questions about. Is this all the food that's here? Because he tweeted afterwards that Spanky's serving people hot dogs at Bet Bash. By the way, this picture on the right right to George's left is Derek Stevens owner of Circa. 

01:52:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
In the one in the middle you could see the back of Derek. 

01:52:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, and I believe green shirt on the left. There is Captain Jack in the background there as well, but I don't know man, I don't know man, I don't know. So I found this a couple weeks ago and I scheduled it for the three-year anniversary Because I'm like it'll be easy. 

01:52:55 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
So this was Bet Bash 2. It's good to know, George that it hasn't changed. 

01:52:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And George says, though, because I heard him speaking about it he said he went to Bet Bash 1. He paid for it, they moved it to Vegas, and he just wanted to see where he still flew to snuck in, but he just wanted to see what it was about. 

01:53:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This was at the d, the ballroom at the d, I remember, but uh but yeah, he's just inspecting the food, the food situation. You see what's going on there. He was in there for about two minutes honestly, it happened in like two minutes and then he was escorted out by security but how does cap? 

01:53:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
how did the other guy know he didn't have a ticket? Fats, they're my there, I don't know you could see in this story for sapruder filming this. You could see in all the pictures fats's empty wheelchair. 

01:53:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, his wheelchair is there. He's probably getting security at this time. I'm not. I like, uh, it happened so quick. You don't really understand like I. I was at the back of the room for this entire thing. It happened so fast anyways great. 

01:53:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
So they kicked him out because he didn't have a ticket yeah, he snuck in. 

01:53:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He snuck in. He wasn't supposed to be there, right so what are they? 

01:53:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm sure they give you what like a lanyard or a bracelet or something right I don't remember that year, but yeah, maybe both, even that year, yeah next up on the chopping block. 

01:54:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We've got another classic from a pixel here. This is prop geek zeke, who had an opening day, played number four zach wheeler under six and a half strikeouts minus 150, minus 115. Uh. Needed 199 likes, uh for for the final play. Um, and then bonesaw at evie, bonesaw posted the real odds at the time of this minus 115 play and it was minus 158 at FanDuel, where it opened at that number. Minus 155 on DraftKings, minus 160 on BetOnline, where it opened at minus 154. Had not been below minus 120 since March 24th on one book. Joined the Dub Club guide with a bunch of fire emojis. So yeah, it's like you know if you're finding something in the range of 110 ish, like, like, how far do we extend that, I guess? 

01:54:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
but this is a classic. I am like so sick of the guys that just post fake numbers on twitter. Even if he bet it at that price which I guess is possible if he did bet it before that date there becomes a point where it's just like now you just stop advertising that price, you know? Um, uh, it's. I see this literally every single day literally it's. 

01:55:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, this is just the classic but no one who actually bets, like if you're an actual better and you follow this guy like you, just my real question you know he's full of shit, even if he may have like at some point had you fooled this almost like pulls the curtain back and be like this guy's a fucker it does for us, but it doesn't for most people. 

01:55:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They just think that they just want to be on People just want to play it. 

01:55:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob played at those numbers, I get it. 

01:55:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I get it. I get it. When I was running Prediction Machine for that one year, the releases on certain pick sets would move the market as soon as it was put out for the week, the biggest edges would get bet and there used to be emails every single day. It was part of the pain points of running a type of service like that, but it was like you know. But it was like you know I yesterday was showing that this minus three was an edge and now it's not showing as an edge anymore and you're like well, yeah, it's not minus three anymore, it's minus four and a half. And they're like, yeah, well, like I, I paid, like people, just don't get it, man, it's I don't think. 

01:56:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But also I know this is like crazy to someone from where, from your perspective and how you bet, because I know this firsthand. I have a lot of friends who have this exact thought. If you gave out a game or something right and you gave me a play out of play, like was Puzzola, like well, I know he was on this big time, it was like minus 125. Now it's minus 150. Yeah, they still want it. 

01:56:50
Yes, they still want it, though like you're like that's like not even close to the bet I made, it's not even close. They're like, nope, rob knows or churn off knows. I didn't mean a group, I just said like I, I trust I'd rather eat a quarter and I just I and and get their decision than like, yeah, make my call. 

01:57:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I have a friend who doesn't do this anymore, thankfully, but every single day he would message me who do you like in hockey tonight? And it's just a friend. 

01:57:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's not going to move the market, but I did this to you all the time to myself and I would say, rob, I don't care, just give me a game. You're right. Not so much anymore, but like a couple years ago. Be like, I don't care if I lost 15 cents, rob, tell me what you got Right. 

01:57:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Tell me what you got you would send. Who do you like in hockey? I put like nothing right now. And the next? 

01:57:42
response is always like, well, what did you bet? And I'm like, well, I don't even want to tell you because now you're going to go bet, but that's just the way stuff happens. You will find one of these every single day on gambling Twitter of just prices that don't exist and to most people, it should be a red flag. To you watching or listening, it should be a red flag. Sadly, to most people it isn't a red flag. 

01:58:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
The mindset for these people is that if you're buying picks from somebody like this, you believe that they're picking winners. They're not. They don't understand the market. They believe they're picking winners. So, it doesn't matter what the juice is. It's whether or not this pick wins or loses. 

01:58:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So it doesn't matter what the juice is, rob, I had a buddy once say to me like it was a three and a half and now he could have it at three plus. He's like, yeah, but if I push on three and you win, I'll be okay. Do you know what it was like? I just want to. I know the half point was crucial, but if it lands on three, I'm not. I can't lose on this suggestion, and that is I mean you could tell me the value of that half point. It's probably enormous. 

01:58:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, the real thing with all the picks if you're really boiling it down to and then we'll move on to the next topic here is, the reality is, if somebody has released a pick and it's now moved and you're getting a worse price, it's probably not good. However, if someone has released a pick and it's still there at the exact same price, it's also still probably not good. Like this is what the real scenario where you're getting good value as a pick buyer would be the rare instances where someone releases a pick, you bet it at that number and it moves afterwards. That's the scenario that works for pick buyers. 

01:59:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
The rest don't, and it's as simple as that Next one here is from AtSportsRage, who said I bet so much on corner kick props I bought a seat to see the line. It's a photo from the stadium, sitting relatively close to the corner flag at a soccer game. 

01:59:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think he's in Vancouver, so I appreciate his white caps. 

01:59:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's a white caps game. 

01:59:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Gabe's the best. Yeah, we used to work with Gabe. 

01:59:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's as authentic as it comes. Like sure we can make the case that just sit. Like don't you want to sit closer to midfield? 

01:59:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You'd have both at a good angle. Yeah, it's not going to change the. 

02:00:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
On. 

02:00:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Both of them. That's one of the four corners. 

02:00:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But like he is as authentic a sports gambling content creator as I've ever interacted with, he's a hoot. This made me laugh so hard. 

02:00:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I can say, though, with certainty I've never purchased tickets at a game based off of the bets I'm going to have on that game. There'll be times I will say. How could? You, that's what. 

02:00:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm saying what are you? 

02:00:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
supposed to do. I'm sitting right behind the net because I bet on shots, on goal props. I bet this goalie saves. Then there's the other side. That's what I'm saying. That's like it's actually really absurd. 

02:00:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like, I like the end. What about the other players on the other side, the line on the other side of the field? 

02:00:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I save because in football like the cheaper seats are the end zone field goal props behind the balls. Yeah well, he could have a like first half team corners he might have. No, I love like it is. So I'm gonna start betting games based off of my seats. I think that's the new hidden edge in sports. You know like if you are sitting behind the net in a hockey game and you know the goalie is going to be in that net for two out of the three periods, you bet their save prop because you're going to see it up close. 

02:01:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's the hidden or I just bet the period lines based on who scored. Like the in front, I bet the overs or unders, just specifically for the period of the zone that I'm in. Yes, you don't even have to put your head on a swivel, just keep it, you can keep it there, gabe's, gabe's the freaking best uh, next one up here. 

02:01:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We'll see if Kirk sides with the books once again on this one. But at joke, joke, e-e-e underscore. My cousin just tried to make a Bet365 account. Before he could even deposit, his account was closed immediately. They told him our trading department reviews customer accounts upon creation and sometimes conclude that they do not wish to accept a customer's business. Your account has been closed as a trading decision. So question is should sportsbooks be able to turn down business before a bet is even placed? 

02:02:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well. So the problem with a lot of these tweets that you get about sportsbooks doing quote-unquote shady things, you often don't get the full story. So I mean, listen, if bet365 had no information on this guy and closed his account, that would be rather unusual. 

02:02:24 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
There's something more to the story, like I mean, I'm so there's a 99.9 chance that this person's cousin was just opening an account for him and they fucked up on the ip or the wi-fi or the device and something got triggered on bet 365. The 0.1 chance which there has been some rumblings of of sportsbooks trading information. If they're doing that, that is like not allowed and like, I'm pretty sure, illegal and would be like a massive breach of privacy and would be a humongous problem and not allowed that. But that's like a 0.01% chance. By far. The most likely is that this was opening to be a beard account and it got flagged Well. 

02:03:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Bet365 doesn't share their trading software with anyone else from my. I'm not saying software, I'm saying like yeah yeah, personal information yes, agree, that's that's like a no even like payment information yeah, like that's obviously a massive no. 

02:03:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, yeah, exactly, could have been like some sort of payment that was similar. 

02:03:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, oh, on that 365 that someone else used yes, that triggered that. 

02:03:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Because, I'll have to say, I tried to make myself, with help, another 365 account and essentially it worked for like a minute and then this happened. 

02:03:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I am siding with the sports book. If this guy, like you said, used the same debit card to try getting money into an account or something like that. Like that is yes, you're gonna. 

02:03:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The account 365 is obviously gonna auto ban you and that makes sense in the off chance that this is like completely kosher and his cousin like doesn't bad and just created an account in the early, like that is ridiculous, yes, yeah. But I would say to kirk's point I would believe there would. There's usually more to these stories than people tend to lead on. 

02:04:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Last one for the show this week. It was Parlay Lab who started off this conversation by saying Imagine making nearly $3,000 in a single day betting on sports. That's what's possible once you master live arbitrage betting with Odds Jam. Live arbitrage betting is a skill that takes practice, but once you learn and become efficient, the possibilities are endless. And then the argument back from analytical betting. At, analytical bets underscore live R betting requires you to sit at a screen and make bets that a software picks out for you, put numbers in a calculator and place two bets to get a small profit because you can't win at actual betting. People referring to it as a skill will never not be hilarious to me. So is live-R betting a skill? Okay? 

02:05:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I have a buddy who was amazing at ground. Like ground, he had like ground floor technology on like ticket bots, right, like like this, like 10, 15 years ago, like crushed it. Yeah, he crushed it. There was like a skill like he was home all day, yes, the he'd be playing video games, the horn would go off, he'd run to the computer, he'd crush it, like he'd have to have a great setup, but, like I don't know, did it take like once it was set up? Was there skill? Like no, but he crushed it. So I don't, is it kind of the same thing? Similar. 

02:05:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, so for me, like most bettors lose, vast majority of bettors lose. If you could find a way to make $3,000 a day risk-free betting on sports. I think there's skill in that. 

02:05:55
Whether you're using a software, you're doing it yourself, and not all arbors are created equal either. There's ones that are much better than others, and to me that also dictates levels of skill. But listen, I do find it. I understand what analytical betting is saying. Like you know, people who are there's probably a much better way that they can effectively put their bankroll into play for long run Risk-free. 

02:06:22
But most people lose Most people lose and you're going to mock a guy for winning. However he's doing it, I think there's some Winning taking no risk Exactly Like that for winning. 

02:06:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
However he's doing it, I think there's some winning. Taking no risk exactly like that's commendable. Figuring out how to work it it's not easy. You get kicked off of books, like finding a way maintaining your 3k a day does take a level of like effort and work it's actual betting, it's just another style of betting. 

02:06:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't are, because I think that there's better ways to put your bank role to use than to arb. But but this person is winning. I mean to me there's skill involved in that. 

02:06:54 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, like I would agree that you know, if you just pay for odds jam and sit there, like the skill is like not huge but you've been skillful enough to find out that this is a way to win. And it is a skill to be able to like grind, that's a skill. But they're definitely, you know, once you scale it up. I'm sure there are people that have their own software that finds arbs more efficiently, maybe in different ways. That is absolutely a skill. 

02:07:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I get what he's saying but like well, it's, obviously there is some baseline it's maybe more resourceful, yeah, than it is skillful, but it's really hard for me to shit on people in an industry where mostly everyone loses that I've actually found a way to win, like sure. I mean again like it's very risk averse. But some people are in that position where they can't risk money and there's people that I could go to that are friends of mine that are losing bettors and I could show them how to arb and they still wouldn't do it. 

02:07:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They'd rather just bet their shit. 

02:07:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So to me it is somewhat skillful. I don't think like To overcome the barrier of actually winning in sports. I think there is some skill involved in that. 

02:08:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
at the end of the day, but I totally agree that there's a large portion of betting community that are like buddy, you're trying to risk free a few bucks, like I'm happy to take a few risks and make my single game parlay to win 1200 exactly right, well, agreed, that's it. 

02:08:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's gonna do it for this week's episode of circle back. If you enjoyed the episode, smash that like button down below again. If you're not subbed here to the circles off channel, which about half of you watching today are not subbed, make sure you do subscribe here. We're going to that 20k barrier, want to get over that. It's just a little milestone, be nice. Be nice to do that. So if you can hit that subscribe button and, of course, leave us comments, those go a long way as well. We are back later this week with the b crew. The b crew, nadu, kanish and flop and our rivals, our rivals, no, no rivalry. 

02:08:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I come in peace. Well, jeff has had a lot of bad the B crew Nadeau Kanish and Flop Our rivals, our rivals, no rivalry. I come in peace. 

02:08:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, Jeff has had a lot of bad things about Nadeau today. 

02:08:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, we're good. No, we're good for, like we should be a shining light for Canadian-US relations. There we go, 100%. They're trying to make this into something. 

02:09:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We're coming into space that already exists. We want to establish ourselves. 

02:09:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There you go Like. 

02:09:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Jacob said he could take just credit for the good of both and not have to wear the bad of either. 

02:09:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So Jacob's a big one, I get bad on both yeah you also get some good on both, jacob, someone in the comments called you the star of the show last week Star of the network I think that might have been your dad writing that comment or something. 

02:09:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Like I said, I get both ends of it All right, that's it. 

02:09:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Circle back, peace out.