PRO BETTORS REACT: NFL Is Rigged For Mahomes and The Chiefs?| Presented by Underdog

2025-01-28

 

 

In this riveting episode of "Unpacking NFL Controversies," we delve deep into the multifaceted world of American football, where the Kansas City Chiefs' ongoing success has become a hotbed of discussion and debate. As the Chiefs prepare for their much-anticipated Super Bowl face-off against the Philadelphia Eagles, questions swirl about whether their dominance is due to exceptional talent or if the game is somehow rigged in their favor.

 

The episode kicks off by examining the public's skepticism towards the Chiefs, reminiscent of the days when the New England Patriots faced similar accusations. Influential voices like Dave Portnoy and Nick Kostos have fueled these discussions on social media, with terms like "Chief's derangement syndrome" gaining traction. The hosts navigate this national conversation with a blend of humor and critical insight, exploring how social media shapes public perception and influences narratives around successful sports teams.

 

As the discussion progresses, we pivot to the legacies of iconic athletes like Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. This segment highlights how quickly public opinion can shift, turning heroes into subjects of scrutiny. Drawing parallels with historical sports rivalries such as Michael Jordan versus Karl Malone, the episode underscores the amplified impact of social media on these dynamics. The role of media figures in crafting and sometimes distorting these narratives is also a focal point, emphasizing the complexities athletes face in today's digital age.

 

The podcast then ventures into the chaotic world of sports betting, where officiating controversies and platforms like Twitter Spaces serve as battlegrounds for fan grievances. The conversation touches on how the Chiefs' performance against the Buffalo Bills has added layers to sports fandom, with personal betting stories and heated online debates offering both entertainment and insight. As the Super Bowl approaches, the hosts stress the importance of responsible betting and transparency, aiming to engage listeners without falling into the trap of misinformation.

 

Throughout the episode, listeners are treated to a series of engaging chapter summaries and transcript excerpts that bring the discussion to life. From the controversies surrounding the Kansas City Chiefs to the betting mishaps in the national championship, the podcast provides a comprehensive look at the intersection of sports, media, and betting culture.

 

In essence, this episode of "Unpacking NFL Controversies" offers a thought-provoking exploration of the modern sports landscape, where success, skepticism, and social media converge in fascinating ways. Whether you're a die-hard football fan, a casual observer, or someone interested in the cultural implications of sports, this podcast promises to inform and entertain.

 

 

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Episode Transcript

00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Disclaimer the content presented in this show is intended for entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed are those of the host and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of any individuals or organizations mentioned. Statements made about public figures or entities are based on publicly available information and are not intended to harm or defame any person or business. This show relies on fair use of social media posts, which are presented in good faith for the purpose of commentary and criticism. Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions it's circle back, episode number 16, presented by underdog. 

00:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We got a jam-packed episode this week. Thank you to all you out there who use that hashtag. Circle back on twitter, or x, whatever you want to call. It really helps us put together a very solid show. Kirk Evans out today with pneumonia, but I'm here, rob Pizzola, jason Cooper back, jeff Feinberg, jacob Grimania behind the glass as our producer, jacob, didn't get the memo about the bright colored shirts today, very colorful of you guys today I'd have gone. 

01:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's no way I'd have like rocked a pastel if I knew you were rocking one. I'd have gone with like a basic solid, uh, you know, like dark, I don't know, I didn't know everyone would be rocking colors. 

01:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I walked in like epic miscalculation it feels like we're like the teletubbies or like the wiggles or something like that. 

01:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's true, I'd still like a table. So, like you know, my gunt is in here, but whatever you're what no, let's move on. 

01:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We could get a table. If you really want a table, you could have just asked for a table at some point. We could easily get a table at some point. We'll upgrade soon. Yes, we will upgrade soon. Uh, all right, let's get right into it this week. A reminder hashtag circle back on twitter if you want to use it, and also make sure you're subbed here on circles. Make sure you like this before we even get started. Let's get the likes up as high as possible today. 

02:08
Something that a lot of people have not been liking lately is the Kansas City Chiefs. We are on the precipice of the Super Bowl. Chiefs and Eagles. This has been a recurring trend now, though for a long time. A lot of Chiefs haters out there. This reminds me of when I was younger and I used to be a Patriots hater. 

02:24
There's many reasons that one might hate the Chiefs. There might be reasons to like the Chiefs if you've been betting on them just to win games. Over time, that's worked out, but the discourse on Twitter was fantastic through Kansas City and Buffalo this past week. Nfl pinnacle beat who digs, who was on circles off last week, recommended as one of the best follows in the space I mean literally in the same week became maybe one of the worst follows in the space Cause he was just ranting on my homes being completely washed up. I don't know if this was a sober drunken rant, but it happened and lots of, lots of interest in that in the sharp betting community. You have Dave Portnoy, who's been actively tweeting about this entire situation as well, using hashtag NFL rigged. This was in relation to the controversial Josh Allen play. 

03:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He's got a million on the bills, 100%. 

03:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's really been leaning into this for for a while. Um, you know the hashtagging nfl commish, I'm quitting watching football. There's no other way to teach roger goodell a lesson. This is blatant cheating. So you got that aspect of things. We got the nick costos side of things, nick costos with uh you better, you bet uh, where he's kind of been on this like chief's derangement syndrome it's great nick is really good at um like phrasing yes coining terms. 

03:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I like that chief's derangement syndrome is in full effect yeah I mean listen, he tweeted this before the bills game. 

04:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
okay, everyone, one last chance. As it concerns the 2024 Chiefs. You have two options Number one bitch. Number two bet. What will you choose? I did notice it was really funny Ian McMillan, who's a friend of our son Forward Progress, very anti-Chiefs guy. We covered him on the show earlier this year when he got into it with Nick Wright, but he actually responded to this and said like I've learned my lesson, I'm actually betting the chiefs this week. 

04:27 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I've ignored this for way too long. It's funny how that that is. It's the bus meme it's the bus. It's like you could bet the chiefs or like feel like the nfl is rigged or whatever, and like be sat on the bus, yeah, or you can be on the other side of the bus and be happy like it's. 

04:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's pretty simple. Yeah, it's a great. It's a great bus meme. 

04:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Kosta's been going on this for a while. 

04:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I mean, I've never seen anything like what happened last week In my whole life of being a sports fan. We see it You're in a local market or during an NBA or an NHL playoff series. Rob, after a game where a team feels like things really didn't go their way, they're trying to work the refs in the media, the coaches, the players in the locker room. I had never seen an entire country attempting to work like the league and the refs to, with this whole Chiefs and Flags and Mahomes and players like the whole country. 

05:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's fucking insane. Adam Schefter is now tweeting like the amount of penalties that the chiefs opponents have had. This it's, it's gotten. I get it. Let me just first and foremost say I understand it. When you watch football, you watch texans chiefs, you see these roughing the passers. I completely understand the up in arms. We have gotten to a point now where, to me, I have no horse. People are like oh, you're standing for the Chiefs. I have no horse in this race. I'm just trying to remain as impartial as possible. I'm watching Championship Sunday with my friends. They can everything that happens in the game. Chiefs make a good play. It's somehow like the. This would never have happened if the refs called that a first down, like three plays ago. This it is. 

06:12
It's on another level of hate right now, and me and you used to work together in the early 2010s. I remember I hated the heat when they, when they had like the announcement, right, that was so lame, like oh, we're all bad For a while. I'm like I can't stand this team. But like I hated Brady's Patriots right, I felt the same way. I'm like these guys get so lucky. Fucking tuck rule. Deflated footballs no one ever. But this, to me is the most vitriol I've ever seen in the sports world vitriol I've ever seen in the sports world. 

06:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
People despise the Chiefs. Not everything has to be about like like I get like bitch or bet like. Yes, that's true, but not ever. Despite how invasive betting is now in the sports culture, a lot of people are just like unrelated to betting, yeah, like they don't bet and they're just um, what do you think has the greatest like why this level of this isn't the first time in sports where a team gets the calls? 

07:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
is it just because the combination of they're already a great team and now it seems like they're getting calls on top of it? 

07:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I, I don't know. I just I feel like we're losing the plot here with this whole conversation of just in the NFL in general, Because is there any doubt that the Chiefs were the better team last night? Is there any doubt in anyone's mind? It doesn't feel like the refs had that much of an impact on the game. There were two major calls. It was the Xavier Worthy ball touching the ground if it did or didn't that one and it was the Josh Allen first down. But the Chiefs punted once they turned the ball over once and every other drive they scored other than the end of the game where they won the game Does anyone here think that the first down should have been overturned to a first down? 

07:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is my point. 

07:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We watch football. All of us live and breathe football. That call where they did not overturn the spot that is called the same way 100%. 

08:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Every single time, just like the guy who hit the eagle out of bounds by a step. It doesn't matter what week that is. 

08:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Exactly. 

08:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You do that to a player, it doesn't matter the situation, the circumstances, the stakes. This is my issue. 

08:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The Portnoy thing is nuts because he's posting the clip and he's like look at where you cannot see the ball. 

08:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Here's the NFL. Do I think Josh Allen got that? Does my heart hurt for Buffalo? Absolutely. 

08:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Of course he got it. That being said, they ran that play a lot. 

08:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They were unsuccessful a lot. And just like you keep a pitcher in baseball like it was a borderline call, you weren't executing it. Yeah, how it is a king. We have your dad 20 yards off the ball, yeah, trying to tell us where these super athletes are going down and then coming in from 20 yards away. That's the flaw here and I love your dad's a great guy. See him every year out at the canadian open volunteering in great shape, but it's still and like in the context of it's all our dads like trying to spot that goddamn ball and it's unacceptable. 

09:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've actually done some research into this before the show today. They actually have experimented with tech in the ball. It's actually just way harder than people. 

09:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I agree. Yeah, how do you know when someone's down that like I'm just still? 

09:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
saying we're still 20 yards away from where that he goes down. Well, the issue with that, that particular, still saying we're still 20 yards away from where he goes down. 

09:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, the issue with that, that particular play. Okay, we're talking about the allen fourth and one where, in my opinion, he got the first down, but there was not enough, you know, indisputable evidence, which is the standard in the nfl. I hate that in replay, by the way, I've always talked about that he got the first down. 

10:04 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
We all know he got the first down, he got it, but there is no view that shows it. 

10:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They can't overturn it. The NFL has been very consistent with that, forever, forever. 

10:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
People were hoping, though, that they were going to go to commercial. The league was going to hear the outrage that's been happening and be like you know what. Let's just overturn this sucker. 

10:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I tweeted like this is not going to. I'm paraphrasing like this is not going to get overturned and a lot of people are going to be upset Within like a couple minutes. I was just. I haven't had to mute a conversation on Twitter in a long time. I'm like I really regret tweeting this. I have to mute this Because it's gotten to the level where it's irrational. If that happens in a regular season game, it's just accepted for what it is. If it happens with the Chiefs, it's not and part of that play. You've got the two refs right. You've got the one on the far side who looks like he's spotting a first down. You've got the one on the close side who's like no, no it's short. 

10:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He's closer to the one on the close side, so you almost have to give him the benefit of the day. 

11:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But there's 20 guys, but he's the guy when it happens on that side of the field. He's ultimately the guy. 

11:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah who gets to the ball? 

11:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
first who gets to spot it. That's just the way it works. There's no conversation. That happens where they're like oh we're gonna fuck this team, everything a ref. 

11:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If you want to think a ref is rigged, watch him like run in to beat the other like. Like race walk, I would say to make sure he beats the other ref there to get to that ball first. 

11:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's heartbreaking, it's the Chiefs. 

11:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Again, it's compounded. The. 

11:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Chiefs again. It's compounded. It's the Bills again. 

11:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's just like this all over. And, rob, you mentioned where you are. We're 90 minutes from Buffalo, so everyone who has a team doesn't have a team here, like I'm, everyone I know is like rooting for the bills, unrelated to like how great the chiefs are in my like inner circle locally for people dead and alive, it's like the bills. A great american city who identify with their squad, life or death. My heart hurts for that tough. 

12:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I want to add two things. So every time something like this happens, I see a lot of people post the. So in tennis, how? 

12:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
they do reviews is. 

12:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
They have the Hawkeye technology, which is obviously very good, but you fail to recognize. In tennis, nobody's near the ball when it lands. So you have a completely clear 360-degree image of that which Hawkeye technology can replicate. 

12:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They use the same thing in soccer through the mass for goal line technology. 

12:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, in football, when there's 10 400 pound human beings lying on top of the ball there's just no possible way for that technology to translate over to that but jacob even look. 

12:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I. I watch a lot of soccer nowadays. Uh, saudi, I grew up watching my grandfather. I still watch games. Right, we, we, as fans, we cannot be happy about anything because for years it was like fuck, like they got to put some technology in for these offside calls. This is insane. You got a guy running down the sideline race. Now that the tech is in, everyone wants it out. Yeah, they're like what the fuck? 

12:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
is people never be satisfied? 

13:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think I'm pretty sure a league in like I don't know if it's nor Sweden, finland, one of those countries. They got rid of VAR. They're in the active process of currently getting rid of VAR, so no one will ever be happy, I think. If we can go back to Portnoy quickly, just for two seconds here, is this not the biggest comeuppance we've ever seen in the history of NFL fandom? The guy who was on the right side of this stuff for literally 20 years with the Patriots- is now complaining about being on the other side, like I get it. 

13:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've made that clear here, the comments. 

13:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Know that, yeah, but here's the thing that I've also said about Dave. It has nothing to do with like his sports opinions, like I don't give a shit about them. It's like Dave and the business right and like being able to build that I like his sports opinions. I actually like very disagree with way more than not he, he, no, he's so good at it but that's a really valid talk about a false on the other side Part of his job part of what he's doing in that three tweet picture is, like, you know, that implication. 

13:57
That's what makes it funnier. That's what part of like what he is doing. Back to the Mahomes stuff. I was a bit younger so I wasn't like of the gambling age, but I'll tell you this, and I assume it was the case for everyone I shouldn't say everyone Me and my friends were not cheering for fucking Carl Malone to beat Michael Jordan, right, that was greatness, yeah, and we didn't want it to stop, yeah, and we were not cheering for Charles Barkley. 

14:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was cheering for Charles Barkley. 

14:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I was a. 

14:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Phoenix. 

14:29 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Suns fan before a. 

14:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Raptors fan the. 

14:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Raptors were in the league because I liked Charles Barkley. What I'm just saying, like it wasn't. Maybe I'm wrong and I was younger, where I didn't, you know, have the total landscape, but I don't have the memory of people wanting carl malone to take down mj. Well, I think universally, like we wanted mj carl, it's a bad example. 

14:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, no, no, no, we know more about carl malone hold on. 

14:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's only, it's the example, because that was championships five and six it was the end and we weren't rooting for the guy to get very john stockton. 

15:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Sorry, let me use a different name. There's a lot of reasons to not want john. 

15:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Stockton yes, Karl Malone now. 

15:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, we know a lot more now than we did in real time. 

15:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Okay, stockton too, but with the bat. Yes, there's more puzzle pieces now. It's easier to say that now, but I mean, I'm referring to without the context and knowing it in the moment, it didn't feel like people were doing what they're doing against Mahomes, and it clearly happened with Brady. Now my question for Brady Rob is like was he hated before he won four? Or like, once you get to a certain point, like the first couple, he? 

15:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
was beloved. 

15:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I cheered for the Patriots in the first Super Bowl against the Rams In the same way, like much like Mahomes, you have to win to X to get to the hatred point. I'm a Chargers fan. I don't hate Mahomes and Reid, I just have respect for them. Also, unlike the Bills, I've never looked at a season the Chiefs have won the Super Bowl and been able to say if the Chiefs weren't there, the Chargers would have won. So I don't feel like I ever lost anything from it and I only have respect for them. Now, maybe in two weeks, when they've three-peated, that respect just now turns to like I hate you, yeah, and I don't want to see you win again. But Jets, dolphins, bills fans they hated. Brady Sure, stevens Bills fans they hated. 

16:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Brady Sure, but I personally think that most of the hate nowadays is just related to the growth of social media. I think so Agreed yeah. 

16:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's the growth of social media. I guess last year was also polarizing with the Taylor Swift stuff. Sure that matters too. 

16:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Football purists are like we don't want theifty, like I get all. 

16:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I get all the reasons, but I think that it's compounded because of social yeah you find more people to agree with you and therefore you got guys like warren sharp, who have a million followers who are just like posting out this. 

16:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It just like it's the narrative now, but they need a narrative and it's good. 

17:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If you're going to be dominant, it's probably better to be dominant and be a villain. 

17:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah I, I just I find like from the league's perspective, it's like I don't know people just talking about the league. 

17:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
When did we feel like the brady stuff flipped though from him being like because, you guys, I don't remember. 

17:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't remember him being loved, honestly I was spygate deflate once you started having like off the field stuff, that was happening. It's like while they're watching practices or deflating balls, that's when I think it flipped in the Chiefs, like second first Super Bowl. 

17:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The only reason you had to hate them was the quarterback's annoying brother and wife. 

17:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, it's true, that was the thing that was like okay, if you don't like the. 

17:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Chiefs, it's cause like you're annoyed at Jackson. 

17:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Mahomes. Now it's like he's not even in the conversation anymore. 

17:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
People, you're annoyed at Jackson Mahomes Dancing on the. 

17:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now it's like he's not even in the conversation anymore People forgot he Like I'm with you, it's. I just find you know I don't have the same lens as a lot of other football fans because I Well, you do bet it, but I watch football alone mostly, like on Sundays. 

18:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I watch the games alone. 

18:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I watch watch-alongs on Forward Progress, not alone Like I have other people with me. But I don't have and like it's that one day a year it's a championship Sunday. I'm with my friends and I'm there. 

18:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm like this is. I didn't want to say anything. These guys might lynch me in this room. This is insane. 

18:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Every single play it's like oh play it's like oh, like it's something that. Is it just pinned on the referees, like the play before with alan right dalton kincaid. I thought he got it too. He got the first. The bills could have challenged that. Yeah, they could have challenged that. One would have got overturned because I could tell you there was. It was clear as day where the ball was. It was clear as day where his knee that they had an option to challenge that. Instead, they challenged the fucking play that's never going to get overturned. They didn't have to, I mean as long as. 

18:52
I'm watching football. That play is not getting overturned. Yeah, okay, the ball touches the ground. The ball touches the ground when it's pinned to his side, it doesn't move. It's not like we watch football, we know. Yeah, if that's not the chiefs, nobody is complaining. 

19:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is the point I was gonna make. Like I can't really recall a specific time where the chiefs got like a blatantly incorrect call to like help this dynasty. Like I remember the afc championship against the bangles where uh, there was the uh unnecessary roughness call I think it was mahomes going out of bounds, yeah and a guy drilled him while he was standing out of bounds and then he got into field goal range. 

19:27
That was obviously a penalty. And then earlier this season, against the Bengals as well, there was the DPI call I forget which Chiefs receiver. He went up like two hands and he got tackled as he was going to try and catch it, which is obviously DPI, but it's a close call. But to try and catch it, which is obviously DPI, but it's a close call, but anybody who watches football knows that's the correct call. But because it's Chiefs, now we get upset. I can't recall a blatantly incorrect call that the Chiefs have had. 

19:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But people find ways to. It's not even just the refs now. It's like, oh, what if Isaiah's likely wore one size smaller shoe in the first? He's like he doesn't. He came down out of bounds. It's part of football. You got to make the plays as well. 

20:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I will say like after the fact, like I find that discourse very annoying and borderline pathetic. Yeah, but I also like that the league is rigged, because I don't believe that they just have 70-year-old guys 20 yards off the ball. That's the issue. But it happens in every sport, yeah, and every week, and every week, like you said, I watch hockey. 

20:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, they screw up all the time. I'm infuriated with you. Know you take two penalties in a row. 

20:30
You got to like take your skate off and try to stab someone on the ice and get another penalty, but we're accustomed to that at this point right, and for me I've watched the NFL so long, offic, so long, officiating is is it's bad, every game, every week. It's hard, it's and and like I don't want to, I don't want to say it's it's, it is bad, but like it's a hard job and I I'm not, I'm not sympathized bad, but you don't know that seven different guys would do it any better exactly, yeah, right it's, it's just a it's just gonna get calls wrong right and this is you know I talked about this last. 

21:03
It was the texans chiefs game, right the first roughing the passer on patrick mahomes, the one where he gets hit by I think it was will anderson and like, just remove the bias for one second. That call is always on the head official who's behind the quarterback? All he sees in that moment is somebody going high at the quarterback mahomes head snapping back. What do you want? Like it's gonna get called. I've watched football forever. That's gonna get called all the time. 

21:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's just gonna happen but I just want to add, so that equally, as a no, no, slightly less annoying and pathetic than the saying it's rigged, was I do find like this after the fact well, you should have just bet it. Oh, you don't like that, no, I just think it's all like was. I do find like this after the fact well, you should have just bet it. Oh, you don't like that, no, I just think it's all like um, you should have just bet all of this. People who think it's rigged aren't like making rational decisions. 

22:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I think that's a valid point, because I see that a lot. 

22:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I agree If you think it's rigged for the Chiefs? Bet on the Chiefs If it's so obvious they're going to win, if that's their built-in advantage that everyone thinks is the case. 

22:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, the refs are always going to call it in favor. Why the fuck are you betting the Bills plus one in a? 

22:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
pick-em game, prove, if you think, pre-game it. That's what I say to my friends, that's what I was saying to them yesterday. 

22:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you knew the Chiefs were going to get all the calls, why'd you guys all bet on Buffalo? That's a great question. Because they hate the Chiefs. They don't even care anymore. 

22:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I joined Jason for third quarter last night. Who did I bet? 

22:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You bet the Chiefs no. 

22:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You bet nothing. You bet nothing. 

22:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, you're nothing. Oh I, Because, unlike last week where I said I will bet a game for an outcome I want, I don't do that when it's against the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm just going to be like you know what? Fuck the Chiefs, I don't believe it's rigged. I actually thought the game was a coin flip game and it prevailed, kind of to be that way. And they just happened to win like 17 straight coin flip games and I had a great freaking time. 

23:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I mean, I had a great freaking time, I mean I had a few props, you know, so I had a betting element. But I had a great time watching that game. 

23:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was like a fabulous, it's a great. I had a fabulous time. 

23:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I thought about that other than joining jason, for okay, that was so much fun like that game is a. 

23:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That was a classic. Yeah, it had everything you would want in a football game. 

23:25 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Seriously. 

23:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The only thing that was missing was Allen getting a chance to tie or win it in the last possession. 

23:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He did, though, if we think about it. 

23:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like when Piran got that first down. 

23:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like ah, we don't get that last drive. Actually he did. He was at the 40-yard line with the first down. Yeah, you're right. Say he didn't have a chance. He the first down. Yeah, you're right, he was. Say he didn't have a chance. Yeah, he had the chance. It's another game where Allen doesn't finish the game with the ball in his hands against the Chiefs. 

23:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
which kind of sucks. He did finish the ball in his hands. Yeah, like it doesn't end on zero with the ball in his hands. 

23:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He had the ball in his hands, to go and tie the. It was just a great ballgame. Yeah, and any notion that Allen or McDermott are losers is just. 

24:08 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You don't miss me with that. I disagree with that. I disagree with that. You're going to lose to Patrick. 

24:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Mahomes and Andy. 

24:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Reid. 

24:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think it's unfortunate that they've gone up against a historically great quarterback and coach combo. 

24:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You think Sean McDermott should be fired? No, I this. That's a different conversation no, but I just mean like there's no shame in losing to the greatest team with maybe the great like when the greatest coaches ever there's a bit of shame that, like like they have to put their hands, say we can't beat you, I'm sorry, like yeah well, the the biggest. 

24:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I want people to go back and watch the Chiefs' last drive in that game. There was still a minute 30 left. There was still a possibility of the Bills getting the ball back right. Yeah, before P Ryan got that first down, they cut to the sideline All the offensive players' helmets off. Sitting on the bench they all looked like they were going to cry. 

24:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's a loser mindset. That's a defeatist mindset. Josh Allen sat in the locker room with his equipment on, staring at the floor for hours. 

25:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He's broken. I think he's actually broken. He's legit broken. That's a respectable opinion, I agree. I mean, it's a game. 

25:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But to me this is part of what makes the Chiefs the Chiefs. 

25:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Sure, they can break them. It's like the winner's mentality. 

25:21
You know, I'm what I swear to you and Josh Allen said it best. He didn't say much at the podium and he was broken. He said to beat the champs, to beat the band, you got to beat them. We didn't beat them and that's all it is Okay. You're right, there's lots to criticize McDermott about, but in the totality of his time in Buffalo, to falling short of beating Andy Reid and Patrick Holmes isn't something to be ashamed of, despite how much it like obviously hurts and as football fans, you probably want to see a different team play in the Super Bowl, I think. 

25:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So here's the thing. Like we all watch football, right, I'm watching the Chiefs the way that they're trying to ice the game late in the game. They do first down run. They get the time out. I'm telling and and listen. Like you know, you got to take my word for it here. I'm not the smartest person in every room, but I'm. I'm in a room and I'm like chiefs are going to run a play action here on second down. This is the down. They're not going to wait till third down. They do. They pick up a first down a little bit too quickly, yeah, and isaiah pacheco goes out of bounds, by the way he was. 

26:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He tried to go down in bounds and that's a bad call from the refs that no one's gonna care about as well, and I'm like, I saw the clock and they gave him a free time out you know, there was a missed face mask on buffalo in the game. 

26:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Who? No one's talking about this. Stuff doesn't happen, but that happens, so they have to. They have to keep going and they get to third down and my buddies are like, oh yeah, they're just gonna run another play, they're gonna kick. I'm like are you? 

26:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I mean I've watched the chiefs, my whole life they're passing on this down they are 100 going to seal the game. 

26:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They get a, they drop a, play wide open, receiver boom, like they just fucking know how to win and like mcdermott should know that stuff. Yeah, they should really know what. 

26:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
These certain scenarios where the chiefs just do the same things, yeah, they're always successful and the teams are always the one, the one where alan got blitzed and he is oh my god, what a pass he's. Kinkade should have caught it, but the blitz there they're giving, uh, the spectators so much credit. Like the chiefs do this all the time, on big downs they send in a blitz, yeah just like that. 

27:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I kind of it's more about like, I guess like the gambling aspect of the discourse, because, yes, the talking about like the actual game. You know, when this comes out on Tuesday morning, I think it's going to feel a bit stale, yeah, so I don't want to spend too much, you know, or any more time on that, but no team executes in the moment the way they do when it's needed the execution, the precision, the fundamental of it. 

27:45
Like I'm, certain Chargers going for a fourth and inches of the game on the line would false start yeah exactly. 

27:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like. 

27:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm just certain of it, or would? 

27:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
jump off sides to give the other one. 

27:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And the way that, time and time again, they like answer the moment like it's Roger Federer or something. 

28:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's crazy, it is. My favorite take was Andy Molitor on this entire situation. I love Andy Molitor, very biased when it comes to his takes, but if we could bring that up. 

28:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, we didn't even look at this yet, it's just. The discourse was like don't get mad, appreciate the greatness. 

28:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, yeah, like people, I mean it's different times nowadays, honestly. It's different times nowadays, honestly. 

28:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It really is Okay. How about both? Because, like you said, I loved what was happening. I had so much fun watching a football game. Well, at the same time, I'd like to see a different flavor on the cake in the Super Bowl. 

28:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I get that. 

28:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So that is why it's like oh, I don't want to appreciate it. I want to eat a new flavor Dude. 

28:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was the one cheering against the Patriots. Every fucking championship Sunday they're blowing out the Colts and I'm like I don't want to watch it's the same game. 

28:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You feel like you're watching the same game again. I mean funny enough, because there have been replays against the 49ers and now the Eagles, that's. I think it's like this is our holiday, it's Super Bowl and most people aren't betting what Nick or a lot of like the guys on Twitter are betting, and most of America just wanted to see a new flavor in the game. 

29:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's it, that is where the Bills are likable, josh Allen is likable. It's a good story. It's like our era's Brady versus Manning. 

29:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And, in the same way, people want to pull for Detroit, like Buffalo. Yeah, I love Buffalo. To me, I've said it again, it's a great city. Yeah, and people, I think, just feel for them and recognize that their identity is their fucking football team. Yeah, that's the biggest thing, it's true, it's true. 

29:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Andy says don't let fucking people tell you how to enjoy sports. You absolutely can hate the Chiefs. If you want, any dork who says you should just appreciate the greatness can go pound sand, hate away. It's your God-given right. I agree as much as we've been talking about this. I actually enjoy the discourse that comes with sports. This is why I love sports and fandom. 

30:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You can have whatever opinions you want Fan how you want to fan you fan, however you want. 

30:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think it's a little bit ridiculous. I think we've gone a little too far. But you know what. It's your prerogative how you want to cheer for anything. If you want to lose sleep because the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl, go for it. You're entitled to do that. I really enjoy. I would much rather being able to talk about stuff like this then not, you know, it's just like another day in sports. It's like yeah, it was a good game. I love the talking points and that's actually why I love the chiefs. I just can't help. 

30:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's why. So then the media is doing like, like guys like schefter, they're like this is a narrative, like we've got to play to a narrative yeah, but they are you, they are engagement baiting, okay, no. And Schefter should be held to a higher standard. 

30:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's a joke from Schefter dude. It's a fucking joke Than podcast bros, he's on a different standard. 

30:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But yeah, I mean, this is the narrative now. 

30:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Because they're pushing the narrative further and I'm not saying that they have to remain impartial. We talked about Bill Simmons last week. He main and partial. We talked about bill simmons last week. I was the first guy like I. I think there's a there's room for that, but when you're like a news guy or an nfl insider, you know that's the stop pushing the the agenda. But anyways, we'll move on. A big thing that's been happening in the last week on twitter x somebody it's really upset when I call it twitter. By the way, I'll call twitter call twitter man twitter. 

31:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Don't worry about it, i'm'm not giving in no, never. 

31:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's still Skydome, it's still the Air Canada. 

31:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Center. 

31:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Whatever stadium you went to as a kid when it was built, and that's what it was called. That's what you call it today. Do not? I don't give a shit. 

31:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Alright, these Twitter spaces. I don't even know how to get into this. So here's what's been happening lately. There's this guy, omar. I don't know of him, but he's been hosting these Twitter spaces where he's bringing on characters GRP, man of the Library, seablez Elf and they're just rambling and talking about stuff. But what this has turned into over the course of the last week is kind of like an ongoing airing of grievances. It's really hard to describe, but people are settling their beefs on these Twitter spaces and these are getting out of control, honestly, because I'm getting messages like every night from people of like hey, rob, this guy's going off on you in this space. Control, honestly, because I'm getting messages like every night from people of like hey, rob, this guy's going off on you in this space. You know I'm like ah, do I have to jump back in? All sorts of this stuff is happening, and there was three big ones that happened this past week this one here that we got up on screen with, with omar man of the library grp. 

32:44
This was fucked up, man. This was like I heard some stuff and there's no audio recording of this one, and that's a big mistake. By the way, when you're setting up these spaces, you got to get the recordings. But like I tuned in for five seconds I I hear grp talking about kia trump, which is like his obsession. Now she's 17 and a half years old. I don't want to get into this entire thing. Then we got like c blaze. That's like I don't agree with the laws. You know you should be able to date whoever you want. I'm like what the fuck? I'm out of here. I am out. 10 minutes later I'm spanky's messaging me. He's like oh man, the library's going off on you. I'm like okay, I gotta get back in here. I'm in here. 

33:22 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I didn't want to be seen in there. I was tempted to go in, but I literally didn't want to be seen and I didn't know you could go in these things anonymously. 

33:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got an option to go in anonymously. 

33:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I know that. Where do you have that? I've never seen that, I think it's only on desktop. 

33:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh and not on mobile, Okay well. Well, Hitman got screwed I went in on desktop once and I'm like, oh, I could join this anonymously. Why have I not been doing this? But then on mobile, I can't. I don't want people to see that. 

33:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And then, yeah, I felt vindicated for not going in when I saw the tweet With Hitman, where they're talking about Kia Trump and Hitman's faces there. 

33:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got to tell you. 

33:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's a good point actually. 

33:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Years ago I can't remember the exact year, I'm horrible with this stuff, but Spanky hosted a Twitter Spaces between two people. One of them was this guy, ice Kings, or EV Sports Investor, and he was being accused online of like, not paying a debt that he had to some other guy. Some other guy just cropped up out of nowhere and said, oh, this guy owes me a bunch of money. Spanky hosts this Twitter spaces where they could both basically present their sides of the story. Both of them could present their sides of the story and me and Spanky were like arbitrators. That was the best 10 out of 10 piece of content ever created. I wish it was recorded. It doesn't exist. 

34:47
Two guys going at it for three, four hours, people jumping in asking questions to try to formulate their opinions. This one guy that was convinced that Ice Kings owes him money Turns out he was another scammer in and of itself. He kept he must have mentioned Ice Kings' car about 50 times. He would jump in while this guy was giving his argument and be like dude, you drive a fucking piece of shit car. It has 200,000 miles on this car. You're a loser. This and that I actually had to step in at one point and be like all right, guys, the mileage on the car is irrelevant. They were arguing, guys, the mileage on the car is irrelevant. They were arguing about the mileage on the car for like 15 minutes and I thought after that spaces, this is the future of spaces, gamblers hashing it out with one another, squashing their beefs, having people like third parties giving their opinions on it, and it disappeared for a long time and the one thing that this guy, omar, has done is brought them back. 

35:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So Omar, like this could be played right where it's almost like sports betting court. Omar is like the judge, and then there's like a jury. 

36:02 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The only problem is that Omar barely speaks in these and there's no mediation so the man of the, library just screams into the void and it's really annoying and also not have that guy in there because, he just talks for so long. 

36:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's crazy. Like when I went in there, I'm like I'm getting in and out one minute, I'm gonna say my piece, I'm gonna roast this guy, I'm getting out, I'm not sticking around to hear him ramble on for 45 minutes afterwards. But this, this is, I think, a really good usage of twitter spaces absolutely. 

36:30 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I just have a beef with omar for not letting me into the space and speak. I guess I'm too little of a fish to get let in. I don't know what the deal is. You requested speak. I requested speaking like 30 different times and I got denied every single time. 

36:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's crazy because I've seen me playmaker a couple he's got. 

36:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not getting in man playmaker david, has been in a lot of these. Then there was the one this week as well with uh, where knish and and and kirk joined as well, and this was one of the funniest ones ever, because knish has, like that bet 105 that he reps, and there's that biggie bets. We talked about this in one of the earliest episodes we did of circle back. If you want to go back and watch it, we'll link it down below to what we're talking about. But um, there's this. You know, bet 105 didn't pay out a guy who was past posting. This is the best tweet by redacted gambler listening to this elf space about the biggie bag, bet 105 stuff. Everyone's shitting on knish. Who are you, bro? No one knows who you are. Knish starts rambling loudly, not explaining who he is, finally gets around to the answer, which is just that he is also a sports better but is old. 

37:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This this is also like every knish like interaction ever. It starts off with the kn Kanish rambling not explaining what's happening, and then gets around to it by the end. It's hilarious. 

37:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know there's an old episode of Didn't they think he was John Turturro? 

37:50
Yes, there's an old episode of Seinfeld where George wants to keep his world separate. He wants Susan separate, his fiancée or girlfriend separate from his friends. They like each other. He's like worlds are colliding. This is what's happening worlds are colliding. On twitter. You got like all these characters that don't interact with each other that find themselves in spaces. These guys literally thought that that knish was joey knish from rounders, the character john turturro. They literally thought that he walks in. He's in there. He's like what the fuck am I listening to? He's like that would be like me thinking that you live at the north pole, elf because your name is elf, like how stupid that's. 

38:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's why I was trying to jump in. I was trying to let these guys know. Guys, canish is just a guy, it's just an alias. But they were like hung up on first of all him, them calling him niche, there was so many things wrong with that spaces. It was hella entertaining. It was very entertaining on a Thursday night when I just had basketball on in the background. Very entertaining stuff. But yeah, just crazy. 

38:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
We should be hosting this. This is like circle back but live audience. It's where people in the audience can come up with questions. This is really good. 

39:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My complaint with this. I agree. If we had the capacity could, we could be hosting some of these. My my biggest complaint is the lack of moderation yes, because they do become. 

39:12
There are like lots of gems and some of these go for like three hours, four hours, all night and people are just hopping in and out and speak. You never know what they're, where they're going to take you and it. It can be a time suck, but there needs to be some level of moderation. Like at some point you just got to boot the guy who's rambling for 30 minutes about how like LeBron James' streak is going to end on a day that ends you know divisible by three. 

39:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about. 

39:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And that really kills his stuff. 

39:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But I love the idea of settling debates using Twitter spaces 100% and shout out to Omar for getting some of the biggest mutants. We'll call them. Use a barstool term on gambling Twitter to come in and promote this, because people know when they see men of the library talking stupid shit, it's engagement baiting. It's great engagement baiting. You won. You won Good stuff. 

40:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know, I hate to say this, he almost. 

40:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Can I admit a guilty pleasure, Go for it Like I could never be able to resist a space where it's like Fats and George. 

40:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They used to have those. 

40:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, they used to do them. That is like they're boring as fuck. I don't care, you know what. Still, they were them. That is like, uh, they're boring as fuck I don't, I don't care. 

40:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know what still they were. They were a little not my, I think those, those ones lacked. 

40:29 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I want to say gumption. These ones have oh yeah, where it's like the there's energy people are yelling at each other. 

40:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like there's genuine hate amongst one another, like you, when you get put in that, like you know, I'm I. I'll just speak from my experience, but I'm getting messages on the side, right, spanky Benson, whatever, a bunch of guys, playmaker David, they're like hey, like man of the library is going off on you right now in this space. He says you deleted his Betstamp account. You did this. I'm like you know what? I'm watching TV with my wife, right, I'm getting these messages and your wife sees you getting worked up. I gotta step away for five minutes. What do you gotta do? I'm like I gotta argue with the guy on twitter. 

41:12
So I go, I go to another room in the house, close the door and and I'm just I join. I hear this guy talking and my blood is boiling like I, and I just got to the point where I I couldn't even let him finish his point. I just stepped in, I said I'm gonna, I'm going to speak loudly for a minute and I mean I. I unfortunately had to drag bles see bles into this as well, because he's like oh, what is a grifter? I don't know what a grifter is. 

41:39
I'm like you're a fucking grifter man like I was. I was just so upset about everything at that point I said my piece, I was gone. But then it just keeps going. Man like I was. I was just so upset about everything at that point I said my piece, I was gone. But then it just keeps going. Man, like a half hour later it's like oh, they brought you up again. I'm like, oh fuck, I gotta go and I gotta check into this and and that is the best it is, it's kind of like jerry springer basically in a way, it's exactly that's what I was thinking. 

42:02
Gambling twitter jerry springer I just hope they're not like daily. Now it's a real, it's a, in a way. It's exactly that. That's what I was thinking Gambling Twitter, jerry Springer. 

42:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I just hope they're not like daily now it's a real time suck, but a great idea. 

42:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Great idea Also, not knowing that Joey Kanish is a fictional character. 

42:18 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That was absurd. I couldn't stop laughing. They were fully convinced. They were also trying to say that he was trying to portray himself as that, Like he's a fraud. Yeah, Like they were fully convinced that they were also trying to say that he was trying to portray himself as that, as if like it's like he's a fraud. 

42:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, that he's a fraud. Yeah, it's crazy Like you want people to believe, like you're a high stakes poker player or whatever it's like. 

42:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
it's like but also rounders, isn't even like you. Just Google is rounders based on a true story. No, absurd thing. 

42:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And I tried to like again, tried to jump in and let them know, but hold on a second, like go back, if just for context, and again with the picture of all of them in there, like is that? Do I think? Uh, omar is omar from the wire, yeah like library's a hobbit like that or you know, I don't understand I. 

43:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't see like the. The problem is so much of the context for this is lacking right like I joined this thing. 

43:09
I'm like I don't even know who this omar guy is. I have no clue. I've never interacted with him, to my knowledge, on twitter. I don't know much about man of the library other than like he believes like a conspiracy theorist when it comes to sports, and I try to avoid him at all costs. Like, like, you put these characters together. I have no idea what's going to come out of that, but people people like to to just start shit. That's what happens on the internet. You give someone a microphone, like we have here, you start shit and then other people find out and they join and then everyone else has an opinion. 

43:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I might like. I don't know if it's ever serious, but Mayo once had a joke about a reality show. Yeah, we put all these sports bettors in like a. 

43:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Someone will die. 

43:54 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Honestly, I would watch Seablood's man in the Library. 

43:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It turned into like Shlick in a House At some point or another. 

44:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I worry of these characters that live online. I worry in person if they would kind of fade away from that sort of personality? 

44:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Probably, of course. Do you know how much you would have to pay me to live in a house with some of these people for like a month? Do you know what? 

44:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Ballpark us. 

44:19 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What if we got sponsors? 

44:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, I mean. 

44:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What's the reality show here? Just who's gonna die for, like you know, like you're sleeping with like a light on, like I think it was more of like a draft kings based like a dfs. 

44:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh, got it, but still like let's just roll that over into um. You know someone's gonna prank george's hair gel and then, true, you know like I don't know, just swap out his hair gel for like another substance yeah, let's, let's move on yes, we can all right. 

44:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
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46:14
Now back to the show. Last week we had the college football national championship and you recall, a few weeks ago, uh, colin wilson was brought up on here for uh giving a line on texas, ohio state that was way off market. This has replicated. It happened again for notre dame, ohio state national championship, but this time from one of the most respected bettors, rufus peabody, who tweets out. This has replicated. It happened again for Notre Dame-Ohio State National Championship, but this time from one of the most respected bettors, rufus Peabody, who tweets out have some opinions on Notre Dame-Ohio State tonight? Massey Peabody makes the spread Ohio State minus 3.5. 

46:45
I have a sizable position on Notre Dame split between the spread and the money line. My fair on the total is 49.6. I bet over 45 and a half. So uh would be pretty hypocritical if we didn't bring this up because it happened in such quick succession. Uh, rufus is a very close friend of mine. Now I kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt and texted him about this entire situation. But I'll get to that in a second. Uh, I run so bad. One says the colin wilson joke has moved to mass ep body. Good night for the action network. Uh, I found this this, the, the dutch, the deutsch 96 tweet pretty funny. 

47:22
Go back to laying 300k to win 26 dollars and 55 cents on vj sing knows um. That's one thing rufus is is known for doing. 

47:30 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Um we got, I feel feel like Jeff's the only one who can talk about this. 

47:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I don't People think. 

47:38
I'm going to have, I don't know. Rufus bets a lot. He wins a lot. Seems like he took this L better than most of his Ls. So my issue with Rufus is usually like similar to how people got mad at Patrick Mahomes when he like thought they fought, when he thought he flopped on the sideline a couple weeks ago. Right like, that's all like. I think like when you're acknowledged as being as good as people give them the credit for, like you know, when you have an l, you could take it better. 

48:07
I think he actually took this one pretty good yes so I got no I gotta call this one ball and strikes. He bets a lot. I would assume his thing was right more than it's wrong. 

48:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was really wrong in a national championship game we have to acknowledge that there's a a double standard, because we I mean we have someone from action network who posts a line that's way off market. And kirk was in in jason's seat today, but it was basically like no, this is wrong, like you're not going to be that way off market. And Kirk was in Jason's seat today, but it was basically like no, this is wrong, like you're not going to be that far off market. This is the national championship game in college football. It's a highly efficient market. I don't remember where the spread closed. 

48:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think Ohio State got steamed that post eight or eight and a half, nine and a half, some in between eight and eight and a half. 

48:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, eight and a half, nine and a half okay, and I mean he makes a game three and a half. That's a substantial difference, right? Yeah, I remember listening to Billy Walter's conversation or maybe he mentioned in his book I can't remember if I had watched it or listened to it where he said one of the Super Bowls was a pick-em. He made the team a seven-point favorite and I'm like, oh, I mean this is the most successful. Better that we know of who's like way off market on these most successful, better that we know of who's like way off market on these. Now, if you go back to the original tweet, you notice how he says that it's the mass ep body number. Right, mass ep body makes the spread ohio state minus three and a half. I don't think this is rufus's actual number on the game. I think this is just an outdated model that has been in existence for a long time that used to win and maybe now should have added more car like. 

49:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
This is not a good tweet. 

49:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
There probably been better ways to say that for the reaction. Yeah, I think so you like kind of exposed himself big time. 

49:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm not saying you shouldn't have shared the mass ep body number because it was so off market could have given some more context, but I'm I mean clearly he bet it pretty hard, I would think yeah, but there's also zero doubt in my mind that that's the case because, like, there's no way he would have released the massy p body if it was still good for him or if it wasn't tweaked to a point like, or dumbed down to a point where it feels like he's giving away an edge. There's so much talk in this sharp world about giving away edges. Why would Rufus, someone who's considered to be super successful, give away an edge like that for free? He's obviously just doing this to contextualize things. I don't know much about college football, but I know a lot about the Ohio State run. Is that their most recent games were much more indicative of the team that they? 

50:31
were than they were this season and I assume that's probably what the massive Peabody ring he was weighing it on and I'm sure Rufus probably just didn't adjust enough, Probably adjusted for it but didn't adjust enough and that's why he bent on this game. But still, I think it's good engagement baiting from him. 

50:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't think he engagement baits. I don't think so at all. Yeah, I agree, I, I don't think he engagement baits? I don't think so at all. Yeah, I agree, I honestly don't. 

50:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't either. So listen, rufus is a friend of mine. It's full disclosure, right. And I messaged him afterwards and I was basically like you know For his side of the story. 

51:07
Yeah, I said, listen, I am going to talk about this. I have to ask you about the Massey Peabody line for the natty. He said, of course, please do. I said I would have an extreme amount of hesitation posting a line that was a TD off market for the title game. I'm curious how you feel about that. And he said that yes, it's the Massey Peabody rating. It's not the only thing I look at my. My number ended up being my market price, or like his number ended up being plus 8 minus 118 as a fair value, or something like that, closer to 8. 

51:34
But, like my big thing is, you open yourself up to things like this when you post things like this. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like I don't know what goes through people's heads sometimes. I don't know what's going through his head to post something like this, where he has to be aware enough to understand what the reaction is going to be from all the other sharp bettors in the space, which is going to be like this is insane. Something is wrong here. You know what I'm getting at. 

52:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Then, what was the purpose of this tweet? Was it to victory lap if he won? 

52:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Was it to it's a big game and I think he just wants to offer up some. 

52:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Okay, I don't know what the I think he just wanted to provide some information, I mean insight. Just why not post it? 

52:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Whenever I see someone do something like this and like color me skeptical or like I don't want to be like tinfoil hot conspiracy theorist, but like we've definitely seen people do head fakes and I'm like part of me thinks like is this a head fake? Like is what, what I don't know? Uh, no, I mean, I'm off. 

52:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Listen, I'm not accusing him, I'm in the chair here making a judgment on a better that is significantly better, better than I for sure. I'll just make that abundantly clear. Like rufus makes more money than I do, I would trust his opinions on the sports he bets, especially golf and college basketball, way more than I would trust my opinion on anything. So I I I realize the irony in me sitting here as a worse, better, saying like this is nuts, but it actually is nuts to me. You you're not going to be that far off market on a national so, but to me it's just an illustration that maybe the mass cp body numbers need to. Just whether they won or lost this year. I don't know, it's very possible that they had a winning year. Using just put it out to pasture. Retire it from the Twitter feed. It's time to not include this in the conversation. 

53:24 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, and also just from my point of view. But has he? 

53:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I assume he's probably said that. Well, maybe not. 

53:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know, considering evaluating the. 

53:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Massey Peabody's. 

53:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, it's not the only thing I referenced. 

53:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Practicality in 2025. 

53:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, yeah, I mean there could also be an argument that, listen, I'm trying to find a reason to get mad at Rufus or make a joke, but I just honestly don't it or make like a joke, but I just honestly don't. 

53:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It was a bad tweet to send. Like. You should get roaded for that tweet. He took a bad loss on the game. Unless you're going to show me a tweet after the loss where he tells us like how right the play was. Yes, I have nothing to bash Rufus. Like I got nothing here. 

54:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, so he updates after the game. Says lose the Notre Dame positions, win the total. It says lose the Notre Dame positions, win the total ROI on the game minus 10.6%. To which point we have another member of the Sharp community, seth Byrne, that says that leaves three possibilities you massively underbet Notre Dame relative to your view on the line. You massively overbet the over relative to your view on the line. Your ROI calculations are wrong. Might be a combination, of course. Might be a combination, of course. Sprots better than responds with one of my favorite. I mean, I might just get this printed out. Lol. 

54:48
This bit you do, where everyone has to subscribe to perfect full Kelly on anything they post publicly, is comically stupid and not how basically anyone operates in the space. I've been on Twitter for a long time. There's, there's, there's always conversations that come up over time Closing line value big one, right. Closing line value good, bad people hotly debate this stuff. The one that I always, always laugh at is when other people come into a thread and be like you did not bet this properly. The optimal way to bet this it's and seth burn is a very, very smart guy, highly intelligent. Uh, I believe he was an actuary or is I don't. I don't I don quote me on that, but the whole notion of like you have to stake every single bet to the Kelly criterion is the most is more absurd than anything that Seth Byrne gets mad at like plus EV analytics about. It is the dumbest conversation that happens on this app that frequently comes up yeah, because there's no. 

55:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
There's no consideration of limits, there's no consideration of other outside factors that might affect with you getting around perfect kelly. Also, like I don't know, I most people I know who bet, don't use full kelly yeah, it seems like seth burns is talking about using full kelly here and it's like I know a lot of people turn down their wrist. Do a third kelly, quarter kelly eighth kelly. 

56:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But but listen in this sure, in this example like not all edges are the same no college sports. 

56:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's a lot of weird things that can happen in college. That would be something for me like I use a different fraction of kelly based off of what sport I'm betting that is my confidence in the number and I, like you, could just see that in what a 10 point money line college favorite would cost you compared to what a 10 point NFL money line favorite would cost you. I feel like it's always more for the pro side. 

56:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But it's not even it's. It's not apples to apples. So like with with Kelly for those that don't know, kelly criterion, if you want to look it up outside of this show, it's just a formula, right? This is your edge on the game. This is what the odds are. This is what your bet sizing should be all right in. In theory, it is the most optimal way to grow a bankroll. 

57:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If you're but don't most bettors acknowledge that college is I don't want to say sketch? Obviously there's tons of opportunities but like the variance and outcomes in college feels a little wider than pro sure, but you might trust, trust your model more you might trust your raw numbers more in college because you're very good college football better than you might in another sport or something like that. 

57:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I I I'm a math guy. I hate bringing it all back to like you must do things this way at all times Because there's this assumption of using Kelly would be like your number's always right on the game and you have to trust the number that you make on a game. Some people don't want to apply that risk. I just it's almost like I see this and I'm like self-awareness zero on this conversation. Like this is you're telling one of the greatest bettors around right now that this is the way you have to bet. I mean, I'm going to venture a guess Rufus makes a lot more on betting than Seth Byrne does. That, I think, is a very educated guess. So imagine when you're at that level of professional better and someone else is coming in and telling you you're doing this wrong. You need to. It's the most easy thing to dismiss in the entire space. Kirk evans says I couldn't overstate how little time I think about bet sizing. 

58:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's not zero percent of my time, but it's closer to zero percent are you saying it'd be like me like tell it, like going to my mechanic and telling him how to fix my car, even though I don't even open the hood. 

58:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe Not quite the same, because Seth he's a better and I understand he's a winning better and he's got a math background. I'm not saying he shouldn't give advice on this stuff. 

58:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Maybe it's like the backup QB telling the starting QB, or like a backup position, telling the starter what they're doing wrong. 

58:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's so many things that are like in the original tweet from Rufus that you just don't know about to be able to draw those three conclusions? 

59:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, fair. 

59:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I love this joke. By the way, nice bet sizing combo guys. Yesterday I accidentally bet the wrong tennis match because the totals were the same number. What's the recommended Kelly stake on that? 

59:16 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know if he changed his name just for the joke but bet sizing genius is so good I actually made a. 

59:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I mean it lost anyway, but it gave me life when it lost. Originally, I don't know. I was getting after it with the boys. Yesterday I made a first touchdown bet that I thought that actually was put in as a last touchdown bet. So when it didn't win and it was still hot in the account, I'm like, well, I guess we got an out. We got an out, it's nice, and you still ended up losing Listen this finger's fat, so that, first and last, they're sometimes right beside each other. 

59:51 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
They're not easy to get, they're the same yeah. I mean I've made mistakes. I've done that before too. I've done that before too. 

59:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean with this one. I mean, if you've got really off-market numbers, probably don't post them online. Secondly, like the whole bet sizing debate, it's so played out. 

01:00:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That tweet probably cost people a lot of money because Rufus is so respected. 

01:00:13
out at the like that tweet probably cost people a lot of money because rufus is so respected. And that would be the only, like rob, you say you're so worried about like saying things or phrasing things and how people will read in to something, and I know you long enough that I can like sometimes pick on a tell yeah, um, but that is like this rufus says on the game, like people I'm not saying it's rufus responsibility, people have to are responsible for themselves. Yeah, but that's the sort of tweet that would get a lot of people like over betting the shit, yeah, out of a game. 

01:00:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, if I saw it, maybe I would have I mean at the time of that tweet, like you could, you could get pretty much whatever you want. Yeah, sure, the line is probably pretty accurate. 

01:00:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But do you know how many people want to know where Rufus is on a game and then to find out he's off by a touchdown? 

01:01:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know, that's all, jeff. I'm going to be this guy the next two weeks. Okay, I'm going to be the guy that you hate. Maybe you won't, no, but I will. I don't know, because here's, here's, here's what's going to be. What do I hate? 

01:01:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
you tell me, this is the guy that you hate. 

01:01:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm gonna. I'm gonna do my own content. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go on you better. They're gonna be like rob, what's the super bowl pick? And I'm gonna be like you know what the real pick is? Probably just just don't bet the game. I will give an opinion, but I'm gonna say like it's pretty easy to price this game okay that's fair. 

01:01:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
My only thing would be like you're on you better, you bet you gotta be like okay, I gotta open this thing up a little bit. Yeah, what you're not gonna say right, because you, you did this now because I want a whole segment, it's nice, because I don't know. What you're not gonna say is I was in line. I made four bets. What were they? I don't remember. Yeah, you might say you might tell us what the bets are. You might be like guys, the line's like 40 cents off. You think you're making the same bet as me today. You are not. You're not going to tell me you don't remember and you're not going to give me nothing. 

01:02:09
You will, you will, will you will grease the audience a bit with something that's there today. Well, I will give a Super Bowl pick. 

01:02:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm going to tell you if I have to bet and I will, by the way I will bet the Super Bowl. I heard Barry Horse say this on his telegram yesterday. This happens a lot, but, like if me and Jason wanted the opposite sides of the game, he said, rob, I want the Eagles. He's wearing his green shirt. I'm like to try to bet. The game with Novak is likely what I'm going to try to do and I'm going to have a bet on it. I just don't expect it to be a winning bet in the long run. So I'm going to be that guy and it's the same thing here. Let's say I was going to put out a tweet like that. 

01:02:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I used to do this with hockey you wouldn't like over a million on the game, but I don't have a bet to give you right. That's all. And all these various capacities, you wouldn't do that. I know you wouldn't join vision, yeah. The week of the super bowl, yeah. Without a low hanging fruit, yeah, get something, that's all. So no, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. But I don't believe you would but I would be honest, I would like you've lost the best of it. Yes, if you're gonna bet this sunday, you're an idiot. 

01:03:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I used to tweet out hockey plays. I don't, but I would Be honest, be like you've lost the best of it. Yes, if you're going to bet this Sunday, you're an idiot. I used to tweet out hockey plays. I don't anymore, but I used to tweet them out like 10 minutes before game time and I would say I think that this number is outrageous. However, every time I've bet it today, somebody has knocked it back into my face. There's a lot of market resistance on this. I would paint the picture a little bit more. That's all. And in a college football national championship game odds that you get, you're getting the the best of it by betting massey peabody's number at that point like, you don't gotta give us your bomb. 

01:03:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You could throw us a screen pass like that. So you don't gotta, you don't gotta. I like that, you don gotta, you don't gotta. I like that. You don't gotta. You don't gotta give us what's gonna have you hemorrhaging on the floor in a released video? Yeah, but you could hook us a screen pass. 

01:04:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Thank you All right people. I got a bone to pick with you. 46% of our watch time here on Circles Off in the past month has come from people who are not subscribed to the channel. What's up with that? You're clearly enjoying the content. It takes two seconds to subscribe to the channel. It's free, it's easy to do and it helps us keep producing this stuff on a weekly basis. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. This past week on x, there was a big announcement that was teased several times by taylor mathis. Taylor mathis obviously pretty large following in the space known for walking bets. The announcement came. The announcement is here. I have joined passes. This is going to be the place to join sports lovers community. You. You get exclusive walking bets behind the scenes sports content, live streaming watch parties with live betting, chatting picks with me. Come join me now. I saw this. Do any of you know what Pass is? 

01:05:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I'm literally looking at it on my phone right now. It looks like OnlyFans Lite. It looks like OnlyFans Lite. 

01:05:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The layout is OnlyFans Lite. It looks like OnlyFans Lite. Like the layout is OnlyFans Lite. I've seen from Paige's sorry. 

01:05:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
like seeing on Taylor's feed she promoted like a Paige Sporanek passes page Okay. 

01:05:26 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think those are just the available ones. 

01:05:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's just, I think, Sure which I've just opened and it's like I can buy an eight-minute video for eight bucks. Sorry, an eight-minute video for $8. Sorry, an eight-minute video for $50. That's what Page Frantic passes. Yeah, yeah, or unlock these eight pictures for like $12. And I assume at those prices, like I have no idea. 

01:05:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What is the price point on this stuff, Jacob? I know that you had an image. 

01:05:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I have it, I have it. 

01:05:57 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, I have some breaking news, but some more information than we had before the show. You can see how many people have joined her group chat, which is and maybe we're jumping the shark here, getting into things a little early which is the first tier, and there's only 22 people in her group chat, which means at most she's making $500 a month, which is a great number. 

01:06:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, yeah, I mean so. I know nothing about passes. 

01:06:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Honestly, I don't know that that's a great number. 

01:06:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
For what she can bring in. I agree For, like what I assumed was I think that's a very low number. 

01:06:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't think that's a great number at all. 

01:06:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The content's not that like. With respect, it's not that hard to do. When you're making an extra $500 a month, I don't think that's bad. 

01:06:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I normally don't have many thoughts on the Taylor Mathis stuff. I have a lot of thoughts on this one here. First and foremost, teasing this big announcement coming joining passes to me does not qualify as a big announcement. 

01:06:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, actually it depends. Okay, what is? It depends if you're like joining this thing and you're like at um, it's a big announcement, go back to that. My immediate reaction is what the fuck is? Passive? I agree so, as was mine, but at 25 a month it's a big announcement. If you're becoming a clit flicker like that a bit, I don't know what this thing is, but opening it it looks like OnlyFans Lite. Well, remember OnlyFans and $25 a month Like that should get you a lot. 

01:07:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The perception of OnlyFans is that it's only like a porn website, basically. 

01:07:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Not the ads I see for OnlyFans. It looks like there's a lot of self-help. It seems like you got a lot of OnlyFans. 

01:07:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But that's what. 

01:07:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm saying is the perception of somebody who isn't super. 

01:07:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, the ads, Jason. The ads. You see these OnlyFans trying to legitimize itself as like not porn is very funny you can do any content on OnlyFans. 

01:07:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sure, but like what, if you can do this on OnlyFans? However, I'm just saying that's what, but it's $25 a month is free live stream access every week. Unlock most of my exclusive wall content. Is that like the whiteboard? 

01:08:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
stuff. You know what that is? I think that's just pictures and videos she posts, she's going to paywall some. Yes, that is when you subscribe. 

01:08:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
When I'm on the page that means everything she's posted. You can go back and simp to pictures from last month Got it. But you might paywall those. So she's posted. 

01:08:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You can go like go back and simp to pictures from, like, last month got it but you might pay, so she's not going to post those on twitter anymore, like the bikini pics from tulum or whatever. 

01:08:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like those plus you get on the page right now. Here's it. This is just from like. This is just an example. I have an exciting dinner with friends tonight. We're going to one of my favorite places in scottsdale, Sumo Maya. It is an Asian-Mexican fusion. It's a little fancy. What do we think of this dress? Have a good meal before Championship Sunday. 

01:08:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And it's one video, 23 seconds, $15. And I think that's already on top of if you've already paid the $25. 

01:08:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's no way, the simps are, the simpsps are. Sorry, did you have to subscribe for that? Because she posted just so. You know, following on passes doesn't do much. You have to subscribe for the content. 

01:08:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, you can follow for free which this site explicitly says follow for free. 

01:09:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
but I guess a lot of people followed her. This is only fans' light. This is only fans' light. I didn't buy the passes. 

01:09:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
She's making good money, so when I clicked on passes because she linked it, I think it had like 2500 followers on twitter. It's rep. It's relatively small, um, I would hope, I mean maybe she has some sort of. 

01:09:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The only two people I'm aware are on passes are her and page yeah, page would almost certainly have some sort of stake in it. 

01:09:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, of course. 

01:09:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That was my guess. Paige doesn't breathe without the honeypot Right, okay, trust me. Yeah, as, like you know, I've been in places that have employed her, the rates good for her, and we've long said Taylor, like following the Paige trage, like the game plan would be very smart. But, Paige has a lot more equity. She doesn't pay more. I don't know that people are going to pay for the walking bets they used to get for free. They'll just be someone else giving the money. 

01:10:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what I'm saying. So I don't have a lot of experience in trying to monetize a brand. I have zero experience in that. Right From what I understand, it hasn't been easy for trying to monetize a brand. Like I have zero experience in that. Right from what I understand, it hasn't been easier for her, easy for her to monetize. You know she had the draft kings thing which fell through. 

01:10:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know what she's getting paid as a chief walking officer for no where does that fit in now? Yeah? 

01:10:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
where does the chief, uh, the chief walking chief? Winning officer, I'm sorry, that was actually a slip of the tongue. 

01:10:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, Novig is committed to Taylor Audio only. 

01:10:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So that's her audio only platform. 

01:10:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And now these are the visuals. 

01:10:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, there was a tough tweet. 

01:10:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I like the Novig bros. I don't know what their audio only Mathis plans are about. 

01:10:51 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know either, especially considering you can do spaces with video. 

01:10:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
but anyways, yeah, there's a tough tweet I'm trying to find on the spot, but she did like uh giveaway with novig and there was only two people who had entered and probably shouldn't have revealed that she's giving away a jersey with novig and then she quote tweeted the original one. So only two people have entered. Makes Make sure you guys run it here. 

01:11:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like walking bets is like a great free idea. 

01:11:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:11:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know what I mean. 

01:11:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's like so Paige. 

01:11:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sprannick is a great example because, like you know, if I see the For you tab feeds you a lot of stuff on Twitter nowadays. If I see a slow motion, paige Sprannadic golf swing, get delivered to me get game. 

01:11:34
I'm fucking watching it the minute it goes up like and it's like, okay, now 25 bucks a month and you get 10. Slow, I'm gonna be like lady, like it's not happening. You're very attractive but like, at this point you know, 25 bucks a month to watch you swing a big announcement the stuff you used to get for free, you have to pay for now. 

01:11:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This is the dumbest thing, because if she's making $500 a month, it's like the NHL did this with the jersey patches. Right, they have a jersey patch. Now they're making a killing off those jersey patches. She could probably make more by just having a sticker where the goods are, and that'll get you definitely more than $500 a month, based on her impressions. 

01:12:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's just like yeah, but this is like this is her way of selling her betting. This is selling her betting stuff. 

01:12:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
She could have equity stake in passes. 

01:12:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
She's selling her research, her proprietary research. Maybe that's what it is. 

01:12:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's what I'm saying she's trying to justify this as she's selling betting information. She's not selling. If you put a patch on for walking bets, that's as useless. 

01:12:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think I'm going to have to do some more research here, because look at the $10 a month. One right Access to my exclusive walking bets community group chat, so I don't even know what the fuck that would be. Second, unlock exclusive walking bets every week only on my passes. Does it mean that she'll still do some walking bets? 

01:12:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
on Twitter. She has some paywalled version Some paywalled. 

01:12:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What are these free messages? One free message, five freealled. What are these free messages? One free message, five free messages. 

01:12:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
What are those? What is a free message? I think it's just like a generic, like good morning or hey, today's a great day to win some bets. I don't think it'll be. 

01:13:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That might mean you can like DM her five times and she'll reply. I seriously don't think so. 

01:13:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'd be shocked. 

01:13:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, like I don't mean. 

01:13:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I really hope there's no picture-sending function. 

01:13:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
In like the pass's portal, did I? 

01:13:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
miss some tweets where this was explained better. 

01:13:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No. 

01:13:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No. 

01:13:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I tried Because I feel like she could have done a video on this. She did. She actually did do a video. 

01:13:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I didn't watch it. To be fair, I didn't watch it. 

01:13:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
To be fair, I didn't either job. Maybe I should have watched it. Yeah, I'm actually just hyper fascinated if, like you said, like the walking bets is a as a free thing. It's low-hanging fruit. We enjoy it. There's some jokes that can come of it, but you understand why it like works and why it's like so successful and viral the paying for it. I am. I'm fascinated to see how that'll pay off. I'm with you. That being said, if it's People will buy it. People will buy it At $25 a month $25 a month, even $10? 

01:14:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, I don't know. 

01:14:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's just the base $15 for a 30-second video. 

01:14:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Do you know what you can get for $25 a month on the internet? 

01:14:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
YouTube Premium. How much is that? $5 a month, like $6 a month, yeah. 

01:14:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh, he went to YouTube Premium. 

01:14:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I was looking for useful things to pay for If your bag is getting your rocks off. Yeah, oh, you can do more with $25 a month. 

01:14:25 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
There's other websites. Let's just say that, could you be? 

01:14:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
specific, Jeff, about what we can do with $25? 

01:14:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Go search on OnlyFans. There's a whole generation of girls that didn't have to move to Hollywood to be porn stars or something. They could just be cliff flickers in Minnesota. 

01:14:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Porn exists for free online as well. This isn't even pornography. 

01:14:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I am just saying it's not pornography. That's what I'm saying. It's not pornography. 

01:14:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, maybe I'm missing something else. It's including free messages. 

01:14:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't know. This is her selling her bets. This is not anything like that. 

01:15:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's no way I have no ill will towards Taylor, but we have to be real here as to why people are fascinated with her brand, and it is not to do with the bets. 

01:15:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm saying this is the justification for this. She's justifying selling stuff by saying this is selling betting information. 

01:15:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but the people who are buying Jacob, I know what they're buying, for the people are not buying the bets. They don't give a shit. 

01:15:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, I think there's some admittance to that in one of her free posts, where she has a disclaimer saying that all information, picks, predictions and content provided on this website are for entertainment only and are news related. Predictions and content provided on this website for entertainment only and are news related. So she's selling pics, but she's getting around it by saying it's. I don't know if that's a tactic that people do, but there's a crazy long disclaimer. 

01:15:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The disclaimer before this. I don't view this as selling pics? 

01:15:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't, I personally. 

01:15:48 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I think this is more like selling negligee pics. Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think she thinks she's selling picks. 

01:15:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what I think it is, because she wants to be respected. I know she does no, no, no. She's alluded to that many times. 

01:15:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's like this is no no, no, she knows what she's doing, but this is the outward justification that has been used. 

01:16:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The elephant in the room is. Everyone knows. No, she's not selling pics. 

01:16:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, what kind of pics she's selling pictures? 

01:16:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, she's selling pics of like I'm going out for dinner with the gals. 

01:16:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you, watch a Walking Mets video. There's no way at the end of that video you even know what the fuck it is that she picked we're getting sidetracked. 

01:16:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I didn't mean to suggest that we don't all know what's going on here, I'm merely suggesting her justification will be if she gets criticism, it'll just be I'm here to sell or to talk about betting and people subscribe for my betting stuff. Obviously that's not true. 

01:16:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, no, no, she wouldn't even admit that. I just she's showing a little more. Yeah, not all of it. 

01:16:48 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You think she's showing more? 

01:16:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:16:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Not all of the paywall. 

01:16:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, pay to find out, jason yeah, you're getting more than you're getting more than walking bats, but you're not getting what you want you got 25 bucks a month. 

01:17:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There has to be another tier between free and, like you got to be getting more. I couldn't see a new tier uh unless you're just gonna stop doing it all together on on twitter which is I. 

01:17:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I have it open right now there's these are the only two tiers, aside from the free tier which. Is nothing Well it's not nothing but. 

01:17:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know. But you said there's like 20-something members 22 members in the group chat, so at least 22 people. She's making minimum $220 a month? 

01:17:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
What about in the $25 tier? 

01:17:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know if there's, I assume the $25 tier gets you everything in the $10 tier, so chances are. 

01:17:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But there's upgrades. You could pay for individual stuff on top of that. 

01:17:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Now, I'm in here. Okay, hold on a second. I think we've got to rewind a little bit. Okay, Playing on this pass is, I seem, like Quinn Ewers on this, so maybe it's more of like a cameo. I think it's like a. It's like it's you know, but it's based. 

01:17:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's only fans. Only fans was based. Patreon did it first. Right then, only fans saw patreon copied the model. Well, was giving no fees on on on, um on the money you earn, and that's why it became such a big porn site. 

01:18:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But to jacob's point only shacks, shacks on here. 

01:18:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We think of OnlyFans as a porn platform. That's what we think of, but there are things on OnlyFans that are not, that's why, it's so funny when OnlyFans advertises as like this exercise. Why are they exercising OnlyFans ads? To my point, who the fuck is paying for Shaquille O'Neal passes, like what's happening there. 

01:18:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It is the big podcast with Shaq on passes. That's what. 

01:18:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm saying who's going to do more on that platform? The podcast with Shaq or whoever the hell else it is, or Paige Sporadic? 

01:18:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Right, but it's not only fans. I'm not saying it's a porn platform, but it's going to lean that way. It's not a porn'm not saying it's a porn platform, but it's not that way. 

01:18:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, it's not a porn platform. You know what I'm saying? 

01:18:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
it's gonna lean towards provocative content I would actually argue at this point in the passes like if you did porn on it they'd probably kick you off. 

01:19:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Maybe I don't know because it doesn't seem to be like a porn, which is why that's what it's associated with and I just I just again. 

01:19:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think it's crazy to do all this for $200 a month. If she Taylor, I'm not even kidding you if she started an OnlyFans, didn't post a single picture, had a $25 subscription, she would make $100,000 in a day and I wouldn't put that past people. I am honestly confident and I think what pisses me off the most about it is that this is so OnlyFans-like People in her comments about the announcement were asking her about if she was making OnlyFans and she seemed disgusted by it as if one she didn't already have one before and two as if it's like a bad thing. That like not being aware of your own brand, like what do you think? 

01:19:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
your brand is it's confirmed. 

01:19:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:19:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh, yeah, and she's also. 

01:19:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, anyways, yeah, whoa, whoa whoa Listen. We'll talk about it after Well. 

01:19:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm sure this is not going to be the last time topic of conversation comes up. Um, I was more focused on on like the, the, when you're, when you got, you got, like when you pump an announcement, like and you're doing it for days. It's gotta be like something, something like yeah, I guess an announcement, you know you're right. 

01:20:05
You probably thought she was going to like barstool or, you know, like you know I'm on with it like some reporter for like espPN now or something, An announcement. She'd probably view it this way. I just saw that I'm like what the fuck is passes? What the hell is this? What are these tiers? 

01:20:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, now we're talking about it, maybe it worked it worked, she got us. 

01:20:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Taylor Mathis is very good at developing a brand you think Steve Fezzik will end up on passes. 

01:20:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Maybe if he gets equity in the company. 

01:20:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, I doubt she has equity, though, based on who's on there right now. Yeah, there's no way she has equity. 

01:20:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You, taylor Mathis. They have actual people. They've Livvy Dunn on this platform. They have Cavender twins. 

01:20:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Actual people, man. Actual people. Who the fuck is that, oh Twins? Actual people, man. 

01:20:54 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Actual people with a fucking who's that? Oh, that's crazy. Just expose yourself for not knowing all. That's crazy. 

01:20:58 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's great, I would know I can't, yeah we should cut that out, we should probably be done in the Cavender twins. I didn't name random people those are very my point being is my point being there is no way she, now that I've actually explored this website, there's no way that. 

01:21:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Taylor Mathis. So it's a well-funded startup? Yes, it probably is. Paige Sporanek is on the ground floor either equity or some sort of incentive to grow. And yeah, I mean, I don't want to say only fans like this, listen, the sports edges and gooners are happy about this. 

01:21:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Livy Dunn platinum 300, that's so fun 300 a month what do you get? Unlocks all wall unlimited, free priority chatting and she probably has like a human 300 bucks a year dude. 

01:21:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
She used the term wall as well that's your page. 

01:21:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's your page okay, page okay. 

01:21:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So you have all the history. Yeah, you get there now you get the history but, there's not just like you get what's posted. 

01:22:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
After you subscribe, you get the whole archive understood you go back wall. I might start my own passes that's why, uh yeah, $300 a month. 

01:22:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow, you can see all my losing bet slips on my wall on the Rob Pizzola passes. Holy shit. 

01:22:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Almost every losing bet slip. I wonder if you'd get subscribers on that. 

01:22:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know what? I'm sure I could. I think at some point in time I will do something like that and just donate all the money to charity. 

01:22:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This passes. They know what they're doing their tagline is Get the Good Stuff. 

01:22:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Get the Good Stuff is the tagline of passes Get the Good Stuff. 

01:22:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Do you know who has equity Like Shaq has? 

01:22:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
equity. Shaq will do anything. 

01:22:48 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The guy's doing toner commercials, dude I know, but that's the type I'm just saying. That's who's got equity, not fucking Okay. 

01:22:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Jeff is downloading the app right now, logging into Livvy Dunes. 

01:22:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
What are you? 

01:22:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
talking about? I'm just kidding, no passes here brother. 

01:23:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Let's see your phone. See my phone, wow. 

01:23:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Anyway, I'm not one of these. I mean, people get so mad at me if I say what I'm about to say, but I'm like you're not on these like privacy things. Buddy Government wants to look at what the fuck's in here. 

01:23:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Go for it, you didn't have to actually throw your phone. Now you're going to have to get up and get that. 

01:23:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That case is amazing. 

01:23:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What if you've got to bet some golf outrights during the show? I've actually been watching numbers move, I've noticed that you can rewind and see this, and now you got a lot of money in the account You're looking to. 

01:23:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Listen, Blind Squirrel's been nuttin' Two weeks ago, seb, I never heard that one before, but Seb's track is 65 to 1, Harris English 110. 

01:23:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
We'd be nuttin'. 

01:23:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Blind Squirrel's been nuttin' oh yeah, post-hoc clarity is real. 

01:23:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That sounds like a Ricky-ism from Trailer Park Boys. It really does. 

01:23:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
God, I was a mistake. The prop heard around the world here. Do you want to get his phone? 

01:23:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
for him. You can get his phone for him. Thanks, Jay. Thanks, Jay, buddy. 

01:23:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He doesn't want to reveal his gun. This is a great case. 

01:23:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, you want. This is a great case. 

01:23:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Hey, no free ads. You can have my phone. Get off that case, no free ads. 

01:24:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right, this one is a and I'm sure I'm going to get some text messages about this. Fezzik on the Even Money podcast with Ross Tucker talked about a very good bet that one Commanders Lions under six. I thought it was six and a half punts minus 170. 

01:24:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Minus six, six and a half minus 170. 

01:24:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right, so I listened to the segment that was sent to me about a billion times on the Even Money podcast where, if we get to the next slide here really quickly, jacob Ross Tucker says I don't get why DraftKings didn't move the line on our punt prop if it was available all week and people could bet it all week. Fezzik gives an answer about how sometimes the sportsbook will take positions, some stuff about liability. Now, sometimes the sports book will take positions, some stuff about liability. And then Sharp Clark posted this tweet the real answer as he tried to bet the over seven and a half punts in Commanders and Eagles DraftKings is taking $3.61. 

01:25:04
Well played by Sharp. It was. I hate when people victory lap bets that you can't get down on, and Fezzik texted me this one. I'm sure you got the text. 

01:25:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I see you smiling. I got the text. Okay, Did you try to bet that prop? Yeah, I did Full disclosure. I've told you, Rob, I was able to win $11. 

01:25:26 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
$11. But you're not limited on draft games, correct? 

01:25:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Something's like with golf. I've shown Rob they don't really let me bet, but not for NFL. No, probably not For NFL. They usually don't Don't struggle. I reached out to some friends who were like Less sharp, less CLV Over the last few years than me. They're old. They get like $44 Okay. 

01:25:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I do know DraftKingsVIP. I asked him to just for purposes of of you know, finding out what the limits were, what he could bet on this in his account. It's a vip account. This is someone who will bet a minimum one thousand dollars on every single bet that he makes and he was able to get 48 on this prop on a VIP account. So I hate this stuff because it is actually a great look, the handicap is amazing, it's fine. But if you can't bet anything on, it. 

01:26:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What's the point? 

01:26:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What's the point? And then victory. Lapping it afterwards. It's like this is such a great bet I'm not saying that limits fluctuate. There's a possibility that Fezzik released this on his service, betted himself, got a decent amount of money on it and then DK just said like no, no, we're limiting the. 

01:26:41
Because, this is not a regular season as far as I'm concerned. I don't see this prop offered on all regular season games. I think they kind of added it for playoffs. There are other props that are regularly offered, like field goal props, which will have a higher limit generally. I know I've bet some of those before a total number of field goals in the game for much more than 48 or 11 or whatever. But I gotta tell you I don't I I get very bothered. 

01:27:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So what bothers you more? This, sending it to the service, or victory, lapping it? Because I'm going to give Fezzik his flowers because he blew horseshoed the conference champion field goals bet. Oh, that's a great bet. 

01:27:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's a great bet. That's also a good bet. 

01:27:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And I was able to bet that. Yeah, the pump bet, I was able to bet it. I was able to get other people's accounts and bet it that field goals bet but able to bet it. 

01:27:34 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I was able to get other people's accounts and bet it that field goals bet. But I wasn't able to bet the pump. Well, but just again, my problem with it is that you guys mentioned he gave a technically two unit play right to win. 

01:27:40
That's what somebody messaged me to win two units minus 170 and like the only way you could win two units is if you were a five dollar better. Like that's pretty fucking absurd to be able to do as a tout service and listen, like maybe I I'm wrong, like you said before, and I don't want to go after Fezzik. I'm just being honest here. Right, we would say this about anyone. I literally would, yeah, but you said that he was victory lapping it. But again, maybe they limited it later in the week. Maybe when he released it, people were able to get down on it. There's only one way that we can figure that out. Is it Fezzik? If you bet it yourself, you can easily tweet it. You don't have to tweet it out. Message Rob individually, message us individually that you got meaningful dollars down on it. If not, I'll eat. If you did that, I'll eat three oranges with the skin on. I don't know. I'll do something, I'll do something ridiculous In the shower. 

01:28:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, in, you're a big fan of that. 

01:28:30 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Listen, maybe I just actually like it. It's a really weird bet that we're getting. 

01:28:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Not a punishment. 

01:28:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You don't have to have someone chasing in the shower. You post it on what's that Passes. 

01:28:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I'll post it on passes. There we go, there we go. 

01:28:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Forward progress pass. You know what? 

01:28:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'll release it for free. Maybe we should do a passes. 

01:28:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
We should do a part of the show. I'm going to spend some time this week researching passes but, there's better platforms to do sports. 

01:28:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Bettors are on discord dude. Why do we need a passes? 

01:28:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
discord telegram, sure, I guess we could do a passes if we really wanted to back to the point Fezzik if you really, how can you advertise this as a two unit winner when people could only get $10 down, $5 down, $, whatever it was to win $11? Show us that it's not a bullshit play, basically. 

01:29:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think that's not true. I don't know how much that's disingenuous to your followers he's gone on on it but I'm under Naive enough to believe his original bet on that was probably like. He was probably quite pleased maybe yes, I agree with you, but victory lapping. 

01:29:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is weird because no one else could have, but it's good for him this this goes back, so, like I, I listened to an old that I rarely go back and listen to my own content almost never and we had the the circles off episode with Fezzik um a while ago it's over a year, but I was really uncomfortable. I've talked about that before because my, my former co-host, johnny, and Fezzik were going at it a lot during that interview. I go back and I listen to it a lot afterwards and I don't know that either party really conveyed their points in the best way. But I think one of the big things that Johnny was trying to get across was, like, with the betting services. It's like, okay, yeah, you know what Technically that number existed, right, and you might have bet that number for a higher amount of money, but there's no way that your service, like the people who are buying that are getting the same stuff that you are and I think there's validity to that Like for me and this is my own opinion, fezzik might completely disagree with me, many people might disagree with me I would be embarrassed to send out that If I had a service. 

01:30:50
I'd be embarrassed to send out that prop which is draft kings, only to people out there. Okay, because the likelihood, especially if you have hundreds of subscribers. I don't know how many hundreds of subs he has, but if you, if you have hundreds, chances are the first four or five people that get that are going to bet it for the max and then no one else is going to get it no one else is going to get it or the accounts are all going to get torched. 

01:31:15 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, yeah, well. Also, if you're only giving out the plays like that previously DK plays, chances are all of your subscribers' DKs are already torched, so it doesn't even matter. To begin with, I mean, this is all true. 

01:31:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're pro-Fessick because he feeds you, he feeds you, he doesn't feed me, so I'm going to be anti-Fessick here. 

01:31:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He doesn't feed me anymore, because since the last message I sent him. Look at you. You're hiding. You're biased here. You're biased on this one. I don't like that. I don't like that You're usually neutral. 

01:31:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're getting the Fessick plays before the clients do, man yeah. Of course you have a vested interest in supporting this. 

01:31:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's crazy Fezzik's giving you the reach around before his subscribers get it. 

01:31:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I appreciate Fezzik showing me what he's got. Like showing me the goods Going behind the pass Not charging me, sorry, separate from that, but you're like no the prop, I'll call that out To promote that after the fact, when you probably were aware at a certain point people weren't able to enjoy that. I am just saying he did rebound with the field goal. He did rebound and people could get on that pretty well. 

01:32:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have never, ever ever, and I will not question whether or not Fezzik is a winning team. I strongly believe I would stake. Fezzik is a winning player. I strongly believe I would stake Fezzik in a heartbeat there is no question in my mind that he is going to find ways to win. 

01:32:43
There are concerns about how you run a service for one which is a separate, and also like what you do and do not. Victory lap. That clip on the Ross Tucker podcast is such a funny clip Because Ross cannot figure out why the line didn't move in the game. Obviously it didn't move because there was not enough liability built up the mental gymnastics that happened. 

01:33:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But Shark's showing something else. 

01:33:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is from a different week. This is the next week, but he's making something else. This is from a different week. This is the next week, but he's making the point. He's making the point. I can't get it out. 

01:33:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And I guess I do wish, even though I could only get 11 on the punts, I would have given away some money just to like have tried to bet the other side to see. Would it have? Let me bet like 50 on the other side. 

01:33:30 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, that's what Clark is doing here. He's betting over on this. 

01:33:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Right, yeah, but this is a different week. Yeah. 

01:33:35 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I know. 

01:33:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And this is just a different week and we also don't know if Clark's account is already limited or whatever. This doesn't provide. 

01:33:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's a decent context, but not enough. 

01:33:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's well played by Clark here, but um, yeah, I don't know the thing about. Choose your words carefully. 

01:33:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You might not get the plays going forwards. Choose your words carefully. 

01:34:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The overall problem seems to be I forget what. 

01:34:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was going to say Sorry, you guys. 

01:34:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's okay. Listen, I'll fall on the physics sword for you. It's okay. 

01:34:12 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I'm happy to take one in the back and get yelled at. That's okay. Listen, I'll fall on the Fezzik sword for you, it's okay. No, I'm happy to take one in the back and get yelled at. That's fine. 

01:34:17 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It would be you giving it to him in the back, though. Yeah, you're not taking one in the back, I meant stabbing with a knife. 

01:34:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Stabbing could be. Anyways, Could be many things. While you're thinking, Jeff, because know you've lost your train of thought, I want to make it explicitly clear If I knew someone like for hit man is a friend of mine who sells picks If hit man did this, I'd be the first person to message him on the side and be like dude. You know that this is not acceptable, but you know what. I know he wouldn't do that. I know he wouldn't do that. 

01:34:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Listen, like, wouldn't listen. Like I said, my my biggest complaint with fezik hasn't changed since we've developed a bit of a relationship and sometimes it does seem like obviously he knows a lot of the ins and outs and how this thing works, but when the spotlight gets on him for something like this, it's like like he doesn't all of a sudden like know how works. 

01:35:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That bet that he identified in that game is a fantastic bet. The EV on that is through the roof. The handicap is that it's Detroit-Washington. It's teams that like to go for it on fourth down. It's not correctly priced into this market. Totally agree with that. I think that I don't like to use the word free money. There's no such thing as free money. That that is a. It's a great bet to find expected value on that bet is absurdly good. 

01:35:41
Go and bet whatever you can on that get down on it if you're not worried about losing any draft kings accounts or anything like that, fucking go to town and it's a good bet. 

01:35:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But then victory, lapping it like everyone was able to make, like all this money on this great piece of advice is false and I think, like, also, like, again, besides the point, but the fact that they even offered it next week probably shows you that they didn't give a shit, Like they probably let nobody bet anything on this, Like they wouldn't be offering it again. Basically, like, obviously the Eagles don't go for it as much as the Lions do, but anytime there's a fourth and one fourth and short situation, they're going to go for it. Of all teams, they're definitely going for it. I doubt the handicap changes that much with it being the Eagles. I'm sure it does a little bit, but they offered it again. I believe it was seven and a half for the previous game, right? 

01:36:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
it was six and six and a half so minus 170 but but any, any prop market, right you? You bet enough on a prop market. And listen, I, I bet a lot more props now than people realize, sadly. I mean, I didn't want to have to get to this point, but there's. There's edges to be had. First of all, I don't want to diminish it by any stretch of the imagination. Also, the edges on, like um, major sports have have gone down over time, for me at the at the very least. So I bet more. 

01:36:58
When you're filling props, right, and you're doing this at like a heart, the lines are all going to move on these props, plain and simple. You bet enough money on a prop, the line is going to move. At draft kings, it's going to move every single time, unless you're jamming it at post, which some people like to do so that they don't get the closing line value. They retain their accounts a little bit longer, right? The fact that the line stayed the same just goes to show you, in my opinion, that they did not build up much liability on that like it's pretty clear even in the fact that the line stayed the same over the course of the week. So I would be surprised if he got a significant amount of money on. 

01:37:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
There's only one way to find out, and it's the like he does not post publicly, just send it to you in the dms and you can be the third party arbitrator of things. Hey, yes, this, this has got good money on it really quickly the previous slide. 

01:37:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
One thing that it always gets me in the space is um, whenever, whenever people like start to call out this behavior, there's always some guy who comes in that thinks they're like they figured out why everyone is upset and they have no like this guy, hector hernandez, here. Minus 150 and minus 170 is not more beatable over time. I don't even think like I laugh every time I see these comments like sure you know you, you want to get upset at a guy betting small market or whatever. But the guys who come in and they miss the point of the like, they completely miss the point of the tweet. Minus one 50 and minus one 70. You could any. Vick is beatable over time If you have an edge if you price something at minus 500 and you're betting it at minus one, 70,. 

01:38:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You have you at minus 500 and you're betting it at minus 170. You have you know you're pretty big, big edge over, not to go back to the jake paul fight, but give me that at minus 200 every day of the week like. That's definitely beatable over the next century if we're gonna get that price every time like I love these. 

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01:39:20
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01:39:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right house rules. Saw this debate happening. Pardon my pick. Tweets out a screenshot of a Novak Djokovic bet minus 167. He lost to. I'm going to butcher his name. I listen, man. 

01:40:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Zverev, zverev. 

01:40:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Zverev. 

01:40:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I think that's right Zverev. He's German Zverev's got to be. Why didn't we call it Zverev? He's German Zverev's got to be. Why didn't we call it Sumon before this? I know I should have. 

01:40:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
None of us in here are big tennis fans. Apologies to the crowd. I wish I was Pardon my pick Tweets out. This screenshot of this loss Says what the fuck man? My book graded Djokovic as a fucking loss. I'm heated. Djokovic Zverev semifinals, aussie Open, aussie Open, yeah. 

01:40:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm not a tennis guy. I have no idea, I have no idea Middle of the night. Yes, thank you Trust me. Sorry, people. Got to get Isaac here on the phone. It's Aussie Open. It's. 

01:40:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Aussie Open. Djokovic went in with a pre-existing thigh injury. It was well going in with the thigh injury. He had to withdraw from the match. Some sports books, depending on the house rules, graded as a loss, some graded as a void. My experience and I did used to bet tennis a long time ago typically if you're betting into a sharp sports book, they would void it because they're they're usually taking bigger bets on it and they want to make sure there's no funny business on this type of stuff. Anyways, he takes this loss and then there's this big debate that goes on after the fact of whether or not you should know the house rules for where you're making the bet. Sb Influencer. He said he wanted his account to be called a different name, not SB Influencer. 

01:41:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Oh, not the name on the account. There's an accurate pronunciation Anyways. 

01:41:34 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I fucked up Spin Fluencer, spinfluencer, spinfluencer. Is that actually it? 

01:41:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, yes, he wants it Spinfluencer. 

01:41:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I thought it was sports betting influencer. 

01:41:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but it's a double entendre. 

01:41:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Spinfluencer Spin, okay, hold on Pause. 

01:41:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What's the double entendre? Am I stupid? Is this all going over my, my head? What's the double entendre? 

01:41:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Spin, spin, like they're spinning things to their like and their influencer. 

01:41:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But it's a B, not a P. Maybe I'm stupid, I don't know. 

01:42:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I know, because it's a double entendre, because it probably wasn't available, I don't know. 

01:42:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But it's sports betting influence. That's the SB yeah. 

01:42:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We're going to get to the bottom of this. The hard-hitting questions will be answered. 

01:42:08
They'll let us know, knowing the house rules beforehand is a classic spinfluencer move. Uh, whales bets is betting 2k on tennis. Not knowing this. You deserve to lose that money, to be honest. And then we get into the sharper side of gambling, twitter, which is mr peanut, better man of the vig, uh isaac, who sat in this chair as well for an episode of circle back, where they're debating whether or not it's actually worth it to check the house rules on bets that you're making. And this is an interesting conversation, because I'm a big proponent for understanding house rules wherever you're betting. Right, I can tell you with certainty, before I bet, um, an anytime touchdown score that scored a special teams touchdown at a sports book that voided that bet because they're not included you uh gave one on on a forward progress. 

01:43:02
Watch along isaiah smith marset gotta get a jersey fan duel paid it out because in their house rules if a player scores a touchdown on special teams, that player also gets paid. But for some other sports books it's just the defense or special teams and the player doesn't count. So I learned that on that specific episode. I will say there's probably so many bets I make on a regular basis where I don't even think of or know the specific house rules as to where I'm going to get paid, not get paid, rules as to where I'm going to get paid, not get paid, and this instance here of jokovic zverev. I think you should know the house rules because you have a player who's coming into the match with an injury. It's a 1v1 tennis match. 

01:43:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You should know that for tennis tennis for sure, it seems like for tennis specifically because they do have those withdrawals. And when the matches are official, to the books, yes, so I agree. In the totality, though I don't think I need to know the house rules for every bet I make, like on a Tuesday in college football season. I want the best number. 

01:44:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're looking for the number. 

01:44:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't want to know who's going to pay me in the blowout that gets stopped with six minutes left, because there's a torrential downpour that's supposed to last for four hours and this co-team has to travel back here and there's a 40-point differential in the game and we're just going to call it. I'm not looking for that, I'm looking for the best point spread, but for tennis you've got to know that. 

01:44:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But if you're a tennis bettor, that's your thing. You model it all this. You definitely should know the house rules, but if this is a one-off, I don't even know if it You're just betting a Grand Slam, final Exactly, but if you're a top-down guy, you're betting so much volume anyways, it's like you don't even have to. You're going to figure out the house rules eventually, but you're betting so much it shouldn't even. 

01:45:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, definitely, if you're a top-down bettor, you're not going to even look at that You're just going to be like. 

01:45:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
well, this sports book has the off-market price. 

01:45:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm like T5s or T10s like split and other heats and others no. 

01:45:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So it's very important. Yeah, yeah For specific things. 

01:45:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I used to. I actually, when legal sports betting launched in Ontario, I would actually read all the house rules from books because there were some like minor discrepancies and that you could take advantage of, for example, major League Baseball, some sportsbooks if a player got into a game at any point, they would be considered live on their stats. So you could bet a player that was starting, not in the lineup under, on their hits or whatever, and if they got one at bat, it it's good. That was a big edge for a while just based off reading house rules. 

01:46:02
But other sports books were like no, no players got to be in the starting lineup or the bet is void. That got taken advantage of. It got fixed. Recently we had the uh rams vikings game got moved because of the fires in la right. If you thought that was going to get moved, you could find a sports book that will honor the bet, regardless of where it's being placed. I believe circa was actually one of those books where those the house rules that if it's played on the same date or within 24 hours, change of venue doesn't matter. So if you liked the vikings and you knew like, instead of getting minus one on the vik, those lines going to move to like minus two, two and a half Cause it's going to be a neutral site game, you could have bet that at circa. That's like you lost, but you were exploiting the house rules. I think there's instances where it matters, right, but there's also instances where it doesn't. This particular one. 

01:46:53
You if you're originating tennis right, like if you're betting the matchup because you think Djokovic is going to win, but you know he's going in with a pre-existing injury. You better know the house A hundred percent you better know what's going to happen if he retires from that match, like if we can just go back two slides. 

01:47:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think the biggest tell here that this guy number one isn't a like. Maybe he is a tennis better, but like he's actually I don't. Maybe pardon my pick is a good better. I don't know nothing about him, but I think the minus, or sorry the minus, 167 money line betting, 2000 flat on, that to me is almost a tell. 

01:47:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, maybe I'm wrong I think some people might think the opposite okay so you're saying, because he bet 2000, yeah, to win 1292 dollars and 80 cents, that that feels like a tell because in your experience you would have the to-win amount to be $2,000. 

01:47:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah well, to-win amount to be $2,000, or to-win amount could be again a weird number, based on Kelly, it depends what you're doing but that to me seems like this guy is just flat-betting 2K on all these games and just or sides. He's flat-betting 2K on all these games and just or sides. 

01:47:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He's flatbedding 2K on an all-time great in a big match. 

01:47:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I see what you're saying. I think it's possible. 

01:48:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I could be very wrong. 

01:48:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
At which case, like sure, you should know the house rules, but maybe you're a little more sympathetic, like he's not. I don't know what book this is, but I mean. 

01:48:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Neither do I? I was trying to figure that out. 

01:48:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like putting the ticket number in the screenshot is absurd. 

01:48:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's a big tell. That's a worst time. You're right, that's a worst time. I have no idea what book that is. 

01:48:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Because I can tell you this, because I used to consult for sportsbooks. But if somebody posted a ticket number at a sportsbook that I consulted for, you could look that person up immediately. If somebody posted a $2,000 ticket on Novak Djokovic without the ticket number. It'd be harder to find. Yeah, you'd be able to find it, but you'd probably have to dig through a little bit more. 

01:48:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think you'd find it you also place the time and date. 

01:48:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, right, so it's like way too much information, way too much information on this way too much. Thank you, massive, tells I. I found the one thing that was like the least amount of time right and I don't bet over the counter a lot. 

01:48:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But when I go to Vegas I often like I'm embarrassed almost because I'll be like I want like $2,000 on. I'm just using a random number. I want $2,000 on this game. When I bet online, I'm using $2,000 as the base unit, so I'm betting like $2,200 to win $2,000. But when I go to Vegas it ends up being a $2,000 bet to win like $18, whatever. 

01:49:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think that's different in person, like I didn't want that. I think that's different in person, though, because, like you're like funneling through that much cash of like maybe you have a weird amount of money on you, like getting to dollars and cents. 

01:49:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like you had the role and then you gave your wife a little to go shopping. Now like, oh, your number's weird. 

01:49:26 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's different when it's a number on a screen and you can just type in you bet at Like, say you bet a T5 or. 

01:49:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
T10. 

01:49:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If I'm playing prop, yeah. 

01:49:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, for sure you would. So you've gone through these before you think it's important, even as, like a sophisticated square. 

01:49:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I probably would have other people have done the work for me. Freaking document, right. Just be fully transparent there, yeah, but I've like this one for that, that one for this, yeah, right, yeah, no chops here, chop ups there yeah, I think if you're originating you need much more important, because you can. 

01:50:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You can work the rules in your favor a lot of times, like if I'm top down, if I was top down betting this match I would. 

01:50:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would have had as a as a sports book only because it's timely. 

01:50:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I remember bringing this up last year for the Pebble Beach, which is now this week. They called it. After 54 holes they awarded Wyndham Clark the winner. People knew that there were storms, they might not play. People were betting it and some books pay, some books didn't. If you bet it, well, anyone was still on the course. The last group was still playing. You got paid If you bet it after no shots were still being hit that day and they were leaving it up, thinking there's golf tomorrow. You weren't paid and there were a lot of people who knew where to play, to bet that. 

01:50:48
I was on an airplane so I didn't get to do it. 

01:50:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was arguing with someone in a Twitter spaces. 

01:50:54 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You might be able to do that soon by the way. 

01:50:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What do you mean? 

01:51:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That betting on the airplane, when I said this before, when Congress drags betting in front of it, at some point in our lifetime this on the airplane shtick's going to be. 

01:51:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not real betting. What is it? It will be play money. 

01:51:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
What is their whole shtick? I can buy a beer on the plane, so I have to fucking be allowed to bet on the plane. 

01:51:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Don't quote me on this, because I have a terrible memory. But I read this and I'm pretty sure it would just be like sportsbook integrated stuff on airplanes where you can bet, play money on games while you're watching games. 

01:51:34 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Okay, and it's like win a prize. 

01:51:36 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I think it's win a bag of chips. 

01:51:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Win an extra thing of peanuts. 

01:51:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Win a prize, win an autograph. 

01:51:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Okay, sure, maybe it's something actually from the stewardess. 

01:51:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
How the fuck would they control that? You're flying over different states. It's like, oh, now we're in California, you can no longer bet. We're shutting down the betting. 

01:52:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But like, like, it would never be getting sidetracked. 

01:52:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I thought it was like where you started until you land. It's like that's the state you're technically in. I don't know. I don't know how it works. I'm not a lawyer, don't ask me. I don't know. I feel like you're in the. 

01:52:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think you're flying overhead. 

01:52:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're. You're in the state. No, I don't know it's something to do with maritime law or something like that the wi-fi is being plugged in from yeah, like I won't fly over Virginia because I'm wanted in the state of Virginia for reckless driving. Is that true? What? 

01:52:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
are you saying, in case they make an emergency, stop there. Yeah, in case someone has a medical emergency. 

01:52:24 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Wait, wait, wait. Is that true, rob? Yeah? 

01:52:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
it's a true story. You won't fly, so you don't go to. 

01:52:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Florida. I don't understand. I try some workarounds. 

01:52:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That can't be real. 

01:52:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're workarounds that can't be real. That's not. You're full of shit, guys. I'm not joking to you, hold on, you're a better, you can't. So the probability of that plane you're on having the emergency landing in virginia, like the odds of that, I mean, I guess, if you actually think you're going to jail, I just don't even know, but what do you think? Happens. What do you think happens they? I'm bored the plane and check your ID, no offense to anyone in Virginia. No, this is weird. 

01:53:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The laws in your state are an absolute fucking travesty. If you go over 10 miles an hour over a speed limit. It is reckless driving in Virginia. If you drive Virginia highways it's all fucking hills and shit. Dude, you're going down one of those hills that's like a 70? 

01:53:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You can't even keep it at 70. I'll tell you this Nothing would give me the heebie-jeebies like those flat-brim state troopers. 

01:53:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, it was a flat-brim Like yeah, bro. 

01:53:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like. That's why, like my buddies, they like to go to Montreal to party, because there's no flat brim state troopers going to ruin their life I was. 

01:53:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I. It was my turn. I drove with four other people, five people in a uh, a van for a wedding in mooresville, north carolina, many years ago. I got. I saw the cop immediately when I came out of a tunnel. Boom pulls me over to the side. You know the whole spiel. Where, where are you going? And I'm like listen, I'm not from here. You know. He's like you know you were driving 81 in a 70, I think 81 in a 70. He's like that's, you know, uh, I'm gonna have to take it you for reckless driving. I'm like, excuse me, 81 in a 70 is right. He's like yeah, it's a lot of state of Virginia. I'm like I'm not from here. Give you know, can you reduce the ticket and this and that. He's like I'm afraid I can't. I'm like you know he gives me the ticket. So I go home to Toronto. Like a week later I call the Virginia State court office and I'm like I got to pay this ticket. 

01:54:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They're like you're going to have to appear in court. 

01:54:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm like, excuse me, I can have someone appear on my behalf. They're like you have to make a personal appearance in court. 

01:54:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm dumbfounded at this point so, now you're evading the law. 

01:54:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, I guess I'm wanted in your state. 

01:54:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I said word for word. Can you please explain to me in detail what will happen if I do not pay this fine and appear for the court date? She said you will no longer be welcome in the state of virginia. I said I will not be back, that's that's. 

01:55:04 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's an easy decision, but now I have that hanging over my head I would have paid a 500. 

01:55:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Fine, don't do not make. I'm from canada, you're gonna make me go back to a court date in virginia for 81 in a. 

01:55:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I just want you to know the lady at the check-in at delta yeah, when you have to get off because there's an emergency landing or they're gonna put you on a new plane like you are not, her system is not gonna fight you, I have a very irrational like I. 

01:55:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I see. 

01:55:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I get honestly like I see this in my head. 

01:55:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
it's like we're making an emergency landing in Virginia. They pull up the itinerary, I get off the plane and there's like a fucking officer there waiting. I have a very irrational fear of this that I just don't want to deal with. I don't want to deal with. 

01:55:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, you got to get a PJ going to Bet Bash and lie to you, say it's going Okay, well. I want to get out of this, but if someone can message me on the side DM me on Twitter. 

01:55:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't want to the state of Virginia. If you're watching. 

01:55:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I just don't want to have to go back there. 

01:56:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And then also what happens if I just drive to the courthouse now in Virginia and I get pulled over while I'm there. They're like sir, you're wanted. I don't want that. Someone help me deal with this you get deported. It's the thing I mean. Sooner than it'll be the 51st state, I'm going to have to pay that fine. I'll pay the fine. 

01:56:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'll pay the fine. You should have known the house rules before driving through Virginia. That's what I love about you, Jacob you got to look up the house rules. 

01:56:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's really what I like about you. I should have looked up the laws in every single state before I spent in Virginia All right. 

01:56:37
In one of the most absurd tweets I've ever seen and I'm not exaggerating Bo Wagner. Bo knows we covered him a couple weeks ago when he posted his mortgage statement and how he had paid it off through betting. He tweets this 3366. My grandmother is in hospice now. Visited her today, went all in on her room number 3366. We only get one life. Make it memorable. All love with a heart. This is a screenshot of FanDuel Sportsbook. It is a ticket for under 29.5 third quarter total points. So a live bet between Nagasaki andawasaki. Brave thunders. 

01:57:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Japanese second division basketball what he did here on the. Sorry, it's not. I don't think it's second division didn't you say okay it's called the b league, but there's a league b1, b2, b3, okay, so it's a top division, japanese b league. 

01:57:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
From what I understand apologies, sorry, let's get that right the total wager amount is 56,033 dollars and 66 cents three, three, six, six at the end of the total wager. Now, first and foremost, uh, I'm a human being, bo. You know it sucks to lose a loved one, even when you know when they're in hospice, like I'm not. I'm not picking on that in any situation here. I don't want to get into like territory where it feels like I'm extremely insensitive on this. I get it. I've lost family members. I lost my grandfather was very close with a few years ago and it weighs on you. It's not great. That being said, I saw this tweet and I'm like what the fuck am I reading here? 

01:58:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Not to be insensitive, but talk about literally not giving a fuck. This is absolutely absurd as to why you would do this. Apologies if that was insensitive, but, man, you didn't have to tweet any. First of all, it's not a pic, it's a past post. It's a past post. It's a pass post. It's a pass post. It was a live bet. Like what are you like? What is the? What do you get from tweeting about this other than engagement baiting? And now you're using I mean, I don't know if this is one so like as an engagement bait. That is beyond like insane, anyways I. 

01:58:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I put on my late grandfather's San Diego Chargers shirt to watch that playoff game. Didn't fucking work. My condolences, obviously. Like Bo is I mean I'm I'm jealous Cause to get to know your grandparents. As long as it you know he's around our age or older, maybe younger like that, so I never got that much time, so that's, you know it has to hurt, that sucks, but this is fucking disgusting. 

01:59:24
This is the weirdest thing on earth I'm so turned off by this and this takes the cake for him. He's announced when he's gone to fuck his wife. 

01:59:33
Second wife or girlfriend or whatever, I don't remember who it was, but he's made that very clear in his discord whenever he's gonna go have bang his, his girlfriend I would say bo wagner is friendless, because if I did this or if I made an announcement about about going to fuck my wife, my phone would light up like the start of the US invasion of Baghdad. It would light up like a Christmas tree from my friends making fun of me, asking me what's wrong. No holds barred comedy tour on me in my own personal group chat amongst my friends. 

02:00:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Totally agree with you. If I posted this, I would I would immediately get dozens of messages that are like are you okay? What's wrong with? 

02:00:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
who hacked your account? 

02:00:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
like. 

02:00:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I cannot imagine I wouldn't receive that yeah, so I am just fully under the impression that Bo is friendless. I think you're right. 

02:00:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I originally didn't even know what the hell the numbers had to do. I had to look at this like 17 times before I figured out that the 3-3-6-6 were part of the point. 

02:00:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I didn't know until I showed up here and you had to explain it to me what I noticed right away and I think what other sharp bettors are going to notice. 

02:00:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Noticed right away and I think what other sharp bettors are going to notice is that he bet a 56 000 live bet at fanduel on japanese basketball and listen. I will say and I'm not saying that, like you know, at the hammer, we do have fanduel as one of our sponsors for other content. I think fanduel is much fairer in terms of limits than a lot of other recreational books. I don't think you can doubt that they're just not giving any for everyone. 

02:01:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
56 000 on live japanese basketball like this to me is a is very much a tell yep, oh yeah, more than anything, it's more of a tell that, like there's there's multiple tells in this tweet yes, from the slip to the written word that tells her everywhere, to the fact that he watermarks his slips to just so like that is like the ultimate yeah, it's not even like a pick, it's. 

02:01:42
It just leads me to believe there's like a history of likely fugazi among the likely postings, for sure because if you're already putting the pictures into a photoshop, then like what else are we going to play with? I'm with you. 

02:01:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's not an intricate edit and yeah $33.60,. 

02:02:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
At least go hard on that shit. I didn't. At least go hard. Don't make it the dollars and cents. At least make it a significant part of this. No, don't get me wrong, rob, I get to that gas station. I'm trying for $55.17. I have a number station. 

02:02:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm trying for $55.17. I have a number, but I'm not going to say it, because that way, whenever I fill up and I see my credit card statement afterwards, I know it was mine whenever. 

02:02:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I plug that sense to really yeah, that might make sense too, just in case there's a lot of fraud that happens at the credit cards and with the cards, so I always end with a certain number of cents. Smart Because that way when. 

02:02:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I see the statement. I know it was must. 

02:02:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But I'm always playing the game with the meter trying to get me some Junior Seau Phillip Rivers. Well, I mean. 

02:02:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I get trying to make your numbers work. That's why it's 55-17. You're more insane than both. 

02:02:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, your love for the Chargers. Nose no bounds you're you're an insane person. 

02:02:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
These things go way back. 

02:03:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's okay you pump your gas to get to junior, say out philip rivers like it's a little game. That's not normal. Man, I'm gonna be the guy in your text being like jeff, this is not normal yeah, that's fine. 

02:03:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Listen, the one thing about me and my like normal doesn't work around me and my group, the normal guy, like get the fuck out of here. Yeah, he's got like no, no, you gotta have some level of of quickness bring something to the table. If you could be replaced by, like one of your, one of your kids, friends, dads, yeah. 

02:03:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Just get the fuck out of here. My friends have more. I like that philosophy. 

02:03:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They have wins over replacement friends. You just can't replace these guys. They're fucking weirdos. 

02:03:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I love that you got to have those guys in your team. 

02:03:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, you know what Normies? No, I'm with you. I'm with you. Nothing worse than a bunch of or dudes trying to fit into what they think is the normie. Yeah, I love that. So I'll give Bo credit for that. A normie he ain't. 

02:04:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But this is past, so he's a value add to a friend group. He doesn't have friends, but he's a value add. 

02:04:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, sure, look at these accounts. Of course he's a value add. 

02:04:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, hear me out. He's so fucking weird that he actually would be an ad, because you couldn't just pick a guy up like this you couldn't, you couldn't just pick a guy up like this. Bull Wagner. I'm just saying this guy, you can't find a free agent like this from your kid's friend's dad. 

02:04:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's been some characters that I don't associate with, but I've had a night out with them before. I'd be like that was fantastic. There was that old DFS guy I remember like Tommy G. Do you remember Tommy G? 

02:04:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, oh, buddy, tommy G's still on it, yeah. 

02:04:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Still on the lizard people we were in, like Nashville one night. 

02:04:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Tommy G returns, if you're looking for the newer account, I didn't even know he was back. He's been back for a while. 

02:04:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Last thing I'll say on I would lay at least minus 200 that he made a losing bet that day. That ended with 33-66. Yeah, of course he just probably put that on all his bets and just posted them. 

02:05:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And one more thing LeBeau, you can win me back if you show me your group chat and it's literally like your friends calling you out for being a psychopath. That would win me over. That's what I need to get won over by Bo. 

02:05:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yep, we're going to end today on, uh, something that I wanted to end on, because I saw this tweet and I've been thinking about this for a long time and I've never tweeted it or never really talked about it. But dk dfs, this guy's been growing on me. I'm not gonna lie, I don't know anything about him other than that he's tweeted some stuff that I like. There's a new trend going around twitter where you post a long shot parlay with a lot of legs and then victory lap, even if a few legs miss. Apparently, the advice is to quote, unquote, water down the parlay however you like. Um, he tweeted about it, so it's going to come. It was eventually going to come up at some point or another. This, to me, is very rampant in the industry now because everybody is naturally gravitating towards parlays, which I understand. By the way, like I get the move that way small amount of money to win big amount. 

02:06:08
We've talked about that a lot before right, but I see this every week, like you know. There's four NFL games last weekend and somebody takes a touchdown score from every single team, throws it into a parlay. So you got eight legs. Now they go six for eight. They're like so close to winning, so close to winning. 

02:06:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Next time, next time We'll get them next time, if you bet them individually. 

02:06:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you went six and two, it's like, but you didn't man. That's not what the parlay. You went 0-1. 

02:06:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That being said, if I saw someone that did that, I'd be like you're on to something, but you don't have a clue what you're doing. Right, you went 6-2. Good job, but you don't have a clue how you're supposed to do this. 

02:06:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But it is. 

02:06:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I haven't seen this, but I'm amused by it. 

02:06:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well see, I started using the For you tab on Twitter once we started this show, Because the For you tab brings engaging content to the forefront and for me, I'm getting about 75% sports betting, 25% pornography on Twitter. 

02:07:15 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, I have bad news for you. It is your For you page the thing about For you. 

02:07:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Elon has determined that I'm a 35 to 40-year-old male and probably and listen, I scroll past these things- Sometimes you'll click on it by accident. 

02:07:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Sometimes, if I play, you linger a little bit. 

02:07:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The problem is Sometimes I might click into a thread and I'm doing damage to the algo in the long run. 

02:07:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And the problem is they think they're giving you something that you want, but it's like I like puppies. I like puppies, and then all of a sudden in like For you. It's like a puppy's getting their heads blown off Right. 

02:07:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And it's like I haven't seen that yet, Jeff. 

02:07:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I'm saying it's like, you like something, and then the 4U, and then you get the most extreme version of the thing that you are discussing. 

02:08:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I love sports betting but what's getting engagement in sports betting? That's getting served to me in the 4U tab. It's not like some super sharp sports betting thing. It's some guy who missed a million-dollar parlay by one leg and he's like victory lapping it like oh yeah, you know you could have cashed out, you could have. It's like you didn't dude, you didn't, it didn't, doesn't matter if you, if you give out a pick, that is a parlay and the parlay loses as a whole, you don't get the victory lap, each individual leg of it. 

02:08:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's not how it works. 

02:08:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's oh and one, not six and two. Oh and one minus one unit, whatever it was that you. That's the way that this industry works. 

02:08:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm going to give a little tip to these fraudsters. We'll call them, or whatever past posters, whatever we want to call these losers who do this. There's a round robin button. You can bet all these individually and do that, and you can actually win on them. Or, instead of watering it down, Just do that. 

02:08:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're recommending that they bet even more money on these minus EV players. 

02:08:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I definitely don't recommend that Bet it individually. 

02:08:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Bet it individually, you're probably going to be better off in the long term losing money you could bet the parlays. 

02:09:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't give a shit, but if the parlay loses, it fucking lost. 

02:09:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Don't act like it won. 

02:09:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It lost. You guys are typing up threads. 

02:09:10 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I got hooked. 

02:09:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know the reads were on the game and I had the vision for this. And you know I'm seeing some guy. Oh man, I wish I could. 

02:09:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But what's the thing it's like? Stick with me, I'm close, we'll get it next time. Dude, I saw it on this week. 

02:09:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have to find it. I hope it gets served to me again. Normally, when I see something, I bookmark it right away. I don't remember the gotta find it. Come on, just it was a paraphrase. Yeah, he was. Uh, he's been sober since new year's and now he's seeing the board way more clearly sobriety, and that's why he's coming really close on these parlays and they're gonna hit one eventually and it's like no, no, no, it's probably not the alcohol, it's just probably that you have found the worst prices imaginable on these. 

02:09:55
By the way, like there's tells right, like you play anytime touchdown score parlays and you don't play them, you have found the worst prices imaginable on these. By the way, there's tells right, you play any time touchdown score parlays and you don't play them at FanDuel, as an example you probably don't know what the fuck you're doing. 

02:10:11
There's all these tells, but this is the one, and every week something changes. For me I'm like Abe Simpson old man yells at cloud. That's who I've become I I'm very self-aware that there's a lot of things in the industry that really bother me. This is the one right now that, oh, it really fucking chaps my ass when I see someone talk about how great they're. You lost money, man. Yeah, you lost. You. If you bet them as straights, sure go victory lap. You're six and two day, but it's a way of taking anything that's a negative, and there's this is like a I think it's a gen z thing and spinning it into a positive. I see it a lot on tiktok. 

02:10:49
I see it a lot where it's just like, yeah, we lost but like we were close yeah, you know you could have cashed out, you could have done this, you could have done that it's like you didn't fucking do it, you didn't and, at the end of the day, your account's at zero, and that's all that really matters that's it, it's all. It's all that really matters. 

02:11:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Metrics do matter, by the way yeah, do you think people like when we go this long? Yeah like when I I listen. I'm listening to content a lot of the day. I don't need a podcast to be finished in like one run. It can be part of like yeah. 

02:11:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is some fourth wall break. 

02:11:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I'm just saying it can be part of. 

02:11:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like you stop it, you start it. Some of the ones that I really like. I don't even like to go through them that quickly, because I want to like. 

02:11:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Savor them like. Savor them, savor them, or you know. You also have to remember seven full days till another one drops. Most people nowadays are not listening on one time speed either. They're accelerating. 

02:11:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I do too. I do one and a half x, yeah, I think that's insane. 

02:11:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've never done that I don't think it's that that's crazy but it depends what it is if you go listen to be better betters with spanky on 1x speed yeah, it's, you could put it to 2x and it's still slow he talks pauses so long between words. 

02:11:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You sometimes you need it sorry I only do that for like tutorials, when I need to like fix something and okay, like get to the point, I'll do like 2x speed for that. 

02:12:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But for a content I enjoy, I would never speed it up I I think the one and a half speed does make it a little bit better, because people naturally just talk slow. I think that's just the way it is and, honestly, the craziest take not to throw Fezzik under the bus. One more time was when he said you should listen to I think I want to say it was him, but he was listening to two podcasts at the same time at one and a half times speed or two times speed to get all the information in At the same time At the same time. 

02:12:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm not going to accuse, I don't get it to consume double the content you only have so much time in a day, you gotta absorb all the 

02:12:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you have two years there's no way Fezzik does it. 

02:12:40 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I mean, like there was someone who was large in the sports betting space who did it, I can find it. It was a new year's resolution. It might have you know who it might have been. It might have been Captain Jack, I don't have. 

02:12:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think it might comprehend anything if I did that. 

02:12:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I sometimes have to re-listen to a full podcast because I got distracted doing something while it was just on in the background. 

02:13:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, if there's something you want to listen to. Yeah, like sometimes I have to listen to, like You've tuned out for six minutes, then they say something you like and you want to hear, like the origin of that comment, so you go back yeah. 

02:13:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That happens to hear like the origin of that comment. So you go back, yeah, yeah, that happens to me all the time. Sometimes I literally will put on an entire podcast and and I don't process because I have, I'm doing something else on my computer while it's playing and I'm not even processing it in real time. That's just me. But to your point, um, about like the metrics and and the the length of this show. You know who I am. I'm, I'm an analytics guy. I analytics guy, I check numbers for every show, I compare them to baselines, to projections, and so far it seems like the longer episodes people you know they tend to eat them up. On top of that, this course we had last week about like, oh, jeff, get rid of Jeff on the show. I very much look at drop-off points in shows and like, when people exit and most people don't exit because of you, jeff, I'll just leave it at that They'd probably exit because of me. No, you've only been on one, there's a reason you weren't. 

02:14:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He's been on one. 

02:14:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Okay, quickly, just to go back, it was Captain Jack. It was when he was doing his AI generator that he's still doing new year new you tweets. Okay, he said there's a lot of good information in podcasts. However, they can be a time suck. Listen to your podcast at 1.5 times speed or greater. Not only will you plow through your rotation faster, but playing at faster speed makes the speakers sound smarter. Advanced hack. 

02:14:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Oh, not simultaneous. 

02:14:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, use different volume levels and position speakers spatially apart, and your brain will eventually learn to process it. 

02:14:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, I'm actually going to try this because I don't want to shit on it until I try it. It sounds absurd to me, because I can barely even process it. 

02:14:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
A different level, different volumes, you just said he said spatially, like I don't know. 

02:14:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is insane. 

02:14:48 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That is insane behavior, correct. 

02:15:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like I don't blend my whole dinner together to eat quicker and therefore I'm done faster like, although I want to enjoy it time is so valuable although, like, sometimes you're eating like chinese food and you want a bite that has, like the noodles, the rice, the chicken, like you want it all in a broccoli, like you want it all in one hit sometimes yeah, because it's more enjoyable to have all those flavors at once. 

02:15:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's not more enjoyable to listen to the podcast. 

02:15:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe he is for Captain Jack man. Maybe he's getting his head high. I have a lot of content to listen to. 

02:15:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't have enough. Where I need to do double up, two times speed. 

02:15:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well, I will say I feel like that's also just not even from him. All those tweets are clearly AI-generated, so it's like, I'm sure, chatgpt or someone along those lines. 

02:15:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You think his tweets are AI-generated? You think his tweets are AI? 

02:15:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
generated. Well, the new year, new you, because I literally had the same idea and he gave me. I got the exact same stuff as him. 

02:15:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And you're AI generating it, yeah, and. 

02:15:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I was like you know what? This is kind of stupid, I'm not going to do it and apparently it wasn't Just speak into the camera. 

02:15:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Call him out directly. 

02:15:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think it's stupid. I was going to do it. 

02:15:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I tried it. It's that it's. It sounds like I got like a. 

02:15:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I got a lot happening in my I know I don't, I don't have this sounds weird coming from a guy with no kids, and your work, like you're listening and you're zoning in on a number I'm doing content. 

02:16:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm running a company. I'm on like the board of directors for another company. I got another project coming down the pipeline, but the podcast I don't have enough time. 

02:16:12 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But the but. When you listen to podcasts, you're doing something else. So now you're listening to two podcasts at the same time while doing the other thing. 

02:16:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I know, I'm self aware enough to know I I can't I sometimes zone out during podcasts and forget what I listen to, and I gotta rewind back 30 seconds. 

02:16:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, we just mentioned that. 

02:16:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I can't imagine this working for me, but I'm gonna do that right now. I'll report back. You just did it, jason. I was focused trying to find the tweet. Okay, I was trying to find the tweet. 

02:16:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That is true, he was hunting. That's a perfect example of what we're describing. 

02:16:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm going to report back next week. 

02:16:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, let us know in the comments if you like the longer episodes or not, and let us know if you made it this far. And let us know if you made it this far? 

02:16:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Absolutely. I'll check the metrics anyways. I'll know one way or another whether you did or not. We've been sitting a long time. 

02:16:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I tell them that Don't tell them that Got some new chairs coming in. We want more comments Don't tell them that. 

02:17:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, no, no, we need the comments people Comment. 

02:17:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Comment 3366, if you made it to the end of the episode no, genuinely though I do like your opinions on the content. 

02:17:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If there's anything that we covered here today and you have a strong opinion on it, get the conversation going. I do love that, jacob. Of course. Hashtag circle back on Twitter. I check them every single week. I will continue to check them every single week. This content could not be created without you, so keep using that hashtag on Twitter and, of course, like and subscribe. It's very important that you do that. If you enjoyed this episode, smash that like button down below. Make sure you're subbed to your on circles off. We'll see everyone back here on circle back next week. Peace out. 

 

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