00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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00:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions circle back right here on the circles off youtube channel, part of the hammer betting network and presented, as always, by underdog. We got a jam-packed show today, but stay tuned right to the very end got an announcement that you're going to want to stay tuned for. That's going to happen right at the very end of the show. I'm rob pizzola, joined to my left by kirk evans, jeff feinberg, jacob the giant grumenia is producing the show today, and we're going to go through it as we normally do. 

01:17
Of course, if you want to get in on the conversation, hashtag circle back on twitter. We review that hashtag every week. It helps us select the items for this show as well, or you can just leave us a comment down below with anything from the show today or something you'd like to see us talk about. Moving forwards. We're going to get it started here, though, with Fight Night in Vegas the Monday, heard around the world, I would say, with the amount of engagement. Jacob, give us a rundown on what happened on that Monday last week, yeah so there's a lot that happened here. 

01:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It all happened relatively quickly, but the gist of it was there was a Spaces that involved Sean Perry, who's crashed out against quite a few people. Sean Perry, we've talked about on the show, bets humongous amounts of money likely is, I would say, not a winning better. He was talking to Mozzie in the spaces, another person who also probably isn't winning better. Some people have alluded to them as scammers, but they were going at each other calling each other scammers in his spaces and it hit a boiling point where they decided to set up a fight in Vegas out of nowhere and within 24 hours this just snowballed into this actually happening. I don't give them a lot of credit because usually a lot of people threaten each other with fights but they don't actually happen. But they managed to make it happen here. Dez Bryant, former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver, was in the spaces and he also decided he was going to attend alongside Elf and a number of other people. 

02:44
Betonline had Oz posted for this. There were people betting on it. Other personalities like C-Blez were there and the entire fight ended up getting streamed on Spaces by Elf and it led to some fantastic content. What are you guys laughing at? 

03:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Just C-Blez showing up Just like. Oh, they're running through the luminaries in the crowd at Just C-Blaze showing up Just like. Oh, they're running through the luminaries in the crowd Like C-Blaze. 

03:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Everyone was there. All the biggest faces, All the gambling Twitter personalities were there. Whole thing was on Spaces. If you were on Twitter at the time, everybody was talking about this. Everybody was posting about this. This was quite an event that they pulled off relatively quickly. The fight wasn't of the highest quality, but in the end Mazzy lost. He complained that he was getting pushed a lot, which is maybe true. The knockout was a little bit contentious, but when the knockout happened, Sean Perry's side went absolutely ballistic. Yeah, it's pretty incredible how much happens in a week for this show here Didn't stop there. The drama continued after the fact. There was an after party at the Rio penthouse that Sean Perry had after winning. Elf was there partying with him. Apparently, man at the library was not allowed to sit at the same table as them because Sean Perry didn't want to sit with man at the library. 

04:04 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And then with all this happening. Wait, I need you to give a little more context there. I know some of this. 

04:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They had a booth at a nightclub, at. Omnia Okay, but other context which I don't mean to be long-winded here I'm not, but like, apparently Sean Perry's mom was there. So Sean Perry goes to the clubs with his mom. 

04:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So was there. So sean perry goes to like the clubs with his mom, so it's like his mom. 

04:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Mom was like sean perry. There are some people on the internet that, like sean perry's mom, has to pay for the table. That's why she's there. I don't know that to be fact, I'm just saying what people were saying on the internet. But that was a side point of the whole thing that really caught my eye and I'll give sean perry his rights here. If it's his booth like if I get a booth, me and my buddies get a booth. Or back in the day, like if there's someone we don't want in the booth, we have every right to be like that guy's not fucking in the booth. 

04:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Absolutely. 

04:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So that was the thing. 

04:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And I don't think I would want man of the Library. Yeah, he's not my type of guy. 

05:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I said I'd be long-winded. Sean Perry essentially just didn't want man of the Library in his booth at the nightclub this created a lot of animosity. 

05:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So, as all this is happening, nba Green Beans excuse me, brett Feinstein was on a plane to Vegas because he wanted to go fight man of the Library, which is the next chapter of this whole ridiculousness and Elf was streaming as this was happening chapter of this whole ridiculousness. And Elf was streaming as this was happening. Enemy of Green Beans was getting held back as he was trying to go fight man of the Library, who then went to go hide in the bathroom and wanted to fight Enemy of Green Beans in the bathroom, as the better man is the one who gets to leave the bathroom after the fact, type of thing. One man comes out, brett by his side, enemy of Green Beans refused to go in. People were saying he ducked the fight. I personally would not go into a bathroom alone with men at the library, so I don't really blame him here. 

05:54
And yeah, that's kind of long-winded, but there's a lot to uncover. It's kind of like a South Park episode plot where, like, you try to explain one part of it but then there's actually like seven subplots that all link together in the end. So it's impossible to really completely explain it. But hopefully that's enough of the backstory there. Yeah, as it kind of goes further, there's going to be a rematch of the fight. It's supposed to happen tonight, on the day of recording here. So, uh, that'll have happened by the time this comes out tomorrow morning, right, yes? 

06:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
and apparently there's 500k on that fight 500k on the line from sean perry, uh versus mazzy. Part two now, uh, this first and foremost I. 

06:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
This came together really quickly because it wasn't tomorrow's fight, like almost make this conversation irrelevant? 

06:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't think so because I don't think there's. I don't, but no one cares about the fight exactly like what made the event for me. I was, I was tuned into this entire thing, so I missed the spaces last sunday night where all of this went down. I wasn't listening in real time. I just woke up and I saw like a tweet from elf that's like you know him in the airplane giving a peace sign. Like I'm on my way to vegas. I'm like what's? What's going on then from there I could not stop watching the entire day and like this we see on screen here. 

07:10
This is the reaction of a lot of people. Right? This sean fight is more entertaining than any fight jake paul has done and you were saying it came together very fast. It was just incredible to watch it play out like I I never thought man. When des bryant first of all, this guy was like I don't know who gave him the directions to the ring they were fighting at. It took him like two hours to get there. He kept calling in, being like where is this place? I don't know if he doesn't have google maps, whatever happened, but when he showed up there and he got out of the car and he threw up the x. When he got up I I was laughing man, that was it's like stone cold glass shattering for you. 

07:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
for a moment I'm like what the hell? 

07:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm like I had to like pinch myself. It's like, is this real life? What is happening here? Like Sean Perry on a party bus and then like Seabless shows up and he's like he goes and sits with him, like I cannot believe that this came together and that's what made it for me extremely entertaining. Like I I watched the fight, I bet on the fight. I was very interested in the whole thing. The fight itself was a dud in my opinion, but like the whole experience was uh, it sounds so sad to say this, but for me was like a once in a lifetime I will admit, mean there's a lot to unpack and Elf has put us through a lot of Amanda Vance annoying and boring and bullshit. 

08:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But the fact that this thing went off and he orchestrated it, but full credit, full credit I will Hold on. I might not like what I'm going to say in 45 minutes or so, but the fact that this happened. I could only give him his flowers. I pretty much had to. What time was the fight? I had to lie to my wife. 

08:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I want to say it was like 6 o'clock Eastern, so what day was it? Again? It was Monday. 

08:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Monday yeah, I have a busy Monday with some golf stuff, but I was about done at that point. 

09:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, sorry, it would have been Tuesday, because we record on Mondays, we weren't recording. It was the next day. It was Tuesday. Excuse me, because Monday I wouldn't have had to lie. It was definitely Tuesday Monday. 

09:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I wouldn't have had to lie. Not that I need to lie, but I like flew down the stairs when Rob's like the fight's going to start soon. I flew to get to my recording room or where I have a desktop and my wife's like what's wrong? I forgot about something I have to record. I'm sorry, I'll be like I don't know. Just leave me alone, don't bother. Pretty much Mr Lebowski went to seclusion in the West Wing. That's what I needed. And I pretty much had to lie to my wife because we're like some internet strangers. I made it like I had something important to do. 

09:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Do not disturb on the door. But see, like you, you went to watch the. I was at my desk the entire day following everything from like they showed up to a gym and one gym wouldn't let them fight. They're like we got to change, we got to go somewhere else or whatever. Um, you know, like there was a lot of I I mean for most of the I didn't think a fight was actually going to happen. 

10:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But I think that's why today's fight has no juice versus Tuesday was so fascinating. It's because throughout the whole day, tuesday was like what is going on? Like I don't know what's going to happen. C-blaz comes out of nowhere and is there and like they're on a party bus, elf's with them, dez Bryant can't find the locations, like so many things are going on. It was like is this fight actually gonna happen? Like within 30 seconds of each other, someone messaged me saying zero percent chances fights happening, yeah, and another person replied to my tweet saying there's an 100 percent chance this fight happens. So there was just so much going on and it was very unknown versus today, it's just two shitty boxers yeah, yeah. 

10:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And, like as Jacob said, we've been on the internet long enough to see these fights get played out. They just don't happen. 

10:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes. 

10:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They, like Portnoy, created like an internet boxing series that may or may not have run its course, but you know it's like long and drawn out and there's opportunities, but like people call each other out to fight, it's you can almost accept any fight, just knowing like we're not actually going to be in the same fucking right. It's not going to happen that that's like. 

11:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So a lot of people are saying to me um, even friends of mine that are not tuned into gambling twitter, of like why do you care? Why do you care? And you know it's because it was such a unique event, like how many times we've cared about far less, of course, but to your point. People talk shit to each other online. It's like oh yeah, say that to my face, do that. Like they actually figured out a way to put this on I. I mean which? 

11:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
but I mean that. I mean I'm not a conspiracy guy. I think we've landed on the moon, right. I think JFK was shot by one guy. I'm one for one on conspiracies. I don't want to get into where I was right on, but that'll just get us off track. 

12:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
By the way, if the Elf parody account was listening to this right now, they would tweet a picture of you saying I'm not a conspiracy. No, I'm not. 

12:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't believe in them. The one I believed in has actually kind of been proven true. That being said, there's just too many convenient factors lining up and A considering all characters and A considering all characters, even Elf, who I like and respect, there's some room to say his intentions are not fully honest or pure. If you want to make that argument, there's a lot that you can make it on. I don't need to even go there with Mazzy or Perry. So every character here is, you know, even on the low end. Elf is like up in the air. As to how legitimate I need to feel about them, yes, 100%. So of course it's fair to think that there's something up. Even Bet Online, who posted they do a nice service. They posted me and you playing putt-putt, yes, so this is like in their wheelhouse. They realize like, like hey, our limits are small. If this thing, in a month, finds out that it was a total scam, yep, I'm sure they've protected themselves in the wording it doesn't matter 

13:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
on it like you could bet on the royal rumble, like that is how they're looking at it, I think to me, the more compelling conspiracy isn't that it's rigged, it's that this was a long time in the making. 

13:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, but that is the way. Hold on, Rob. 

13:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Rob. There's some other videos out there. People with YouTube channels, with followings were there, even filming it for themselves. 

13:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So we've seen some other footage. 

13:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I have a theory, and I don't even care what the person was narrating about it, I just like getting behind the scenes NFL film stuff I just like looking in the backgrounds, like in the locker room, to see what's going on. I was just trying to be hyper observant. There was some Perry Mazzy behavior that led me to believe this. I don't want to say years in the making, like roxina, but in the make there was definitely runway that this, that this was a plan of something I see it's hard for me to believe it wasn't well, also not thinking the actual fight was rigged. 

14:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Here's my theory on the entire situation. I agree with you, but I think it was the plan of one person. So I believe Sean Perry is a shameless self-promoter Like this is what he does. He does not care. Do you know how much you have to hate someone to fight them? But he goaded, Like if you go back and listen to the original Spaces on whatever Monday night let's say it was a Monday night the Spaces Sean Perry goaded Mazzy into fighting him. The guy brought it up several times and he eventually goaded him into doing that. I don't think Elf was complicit. I think Sean Perry had this idea in his head of these Elf Spaces are popular. I need to get in there. I need to to be in there. I need to mix it up. This guy, Mazzy, is a huge influencer in the space. If I end up fighting him, I'm piggyback. I'm riding his coattails. I think Sean will do anything to market himself and and this was a plan of Sean- boxes. 

15:22 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He's about it. If you listen to his other tangents, like he's like I'm in the gym, no, but he like doesn't box, he's not like a Paul brother. Yeah he's trained His form of workout is like an hour in a boxing situation with a boxing trainer, but that is how he works out, so he has some semblance of tactics. 

15:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He knew he was going to win this fight, dude, like he goaded Mazzy into this fight and he knew he was going to win it. I think everyone just kind of piggybacked, like it just like blew up and spiraled real quick. 

15:55 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But I only started considering this conspiracy like 20 minutes ago, so I'm new to it and I'm still thinking about what I think. 

16:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Only 20 minutes ago. Knowing the characters involved, I know. 

16:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's just over my head. I'm spacey sometimes, but no, no, no One reason I'm not sure that you're right of it just being Sean Perry is because now the puzzle pieces are starting to move in my head. Last week on the show we were talking about how Dez Bryant launched this Discord. Yeah, and then randomly he shows up in the spaces, then randomly he's willing to fly to vegas, but if you, if you think about last week when we talked about it. 

16:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We were talking about how they were already interacting, about him coming into the spaces like he was. He was saying he was going to come into the spaces. Yes, it happened to be that night because elf is really good at running a show and he tags these guys in real time and they come in. No, but I'm not saying I. 

16:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I agree des bryant was clearly like being introduced into the spaces, but it's a little hard for me to believe des bryant. Yes, he he's. He has three million followers on twitter. Yes, got into a twitter spaces at 11 45, didn't even know any of the characters and by 12 o'clock the next day was flying to Vegas to see this fight. Nothing prior, it just seems unbelievable. 

17:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Because Dez is also trying to grow his brand in the sports betting space. All these guys, he's Dez Bryant. 

17:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I mean, I love Elf, I think he's a great kid, but if you look, he has 3 million followers. But also, like he posts something betting related and gets like 10 likes. 

17:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, he doesn't have any he doesn't get any engagement and and they like. I love elf, but he's very, very clearly being used by all these characters you recognize that his spaces are hot. 

17:31
Now look at the amanda vance stuff. Right, look at the. So to me, like mazzy and, and sean perry, like mazzy, you, you see that guy throw punches like in the warm-up. That guy can't fight, good, but but he, he, he was like fucking, imagine being of Mazzy's stature, influence, influencer to the max, got. Listen, I don't want to call him a scammer, but like, pretty obviously I think, based off the questions I asked him before, not a winning sports, better for him to agree to a fight with another like he was incensed in. There's no upside for him doing that I agree, there's no zero like. 

18:10 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't think like that's why it could be pre-planned. No, I can't hold on a second I, it crossed my mind had sean perry's bar mitzvah footage from youtube. 

18:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He took it from youtube, though it was public. I mean, this is the funniest shit ever. Died like I was fucking. 

18:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm like rob if I ever get in an internet fight is someone digging up like my bar mitzvah footage and we've already gone about 17 minutes on this and I haven't said props to sean perry. The overall worldwide record, worldwide record of us guys who have had bar mitzvahs beating up brothers is not a big number. Bar mitzvah boys don't win fights versus brothers. Yes, so, sean, I haven't seen the other one. People are going to say I did something, I didn't there, whatever. 

19:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Credit to Sean. What we got up on screen right now was was mazzy saying anybody who takes sean serious is insane. How am I gonna beef with someone who grew up dancing like the spice girls literally posted video from his bar mitzvah, which is fucking hilarious. By the way, sean perry see, this is why I think it's all orchestrated by sean, because he he is just going after like a million different people in the space hoping that someone will engage with him. This is what he's been doing, period, but that's the thing. 

19:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's all he's been doing and he found someone dumb enough like he's going after spanky spanky doesn't engage with him, he goes after uh, trent, book at trent. 

19:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, benson benson, jeff benson. Mazzy was the first guy. That's like dude, I will fucking rock you Like I will. And he got him to engage. The whole day was amazing. I mean, the pre-fight buildup was so good. I agree, I'm watching the betting lines in real time and I bet Sean Perry because I knew he trained boxing. Perry because I knew he trained boxing. And as soon as they showed some video like of Mazzy throwing punches, you should have seen the line move towards Sean Perry yeah, I've never seen this guy. 

20:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But after the face, you know, like when you like, the line moved towards. 

20:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Mazzy because he got in his face and started talking so much shit. 

20:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, because it's a brother talking shit to a bar mitzvah boy and people are like I think I know how this story is going to go. 

20:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say, even during the fight even though Sean Perry is like the trained boxer, he looked scared Like he kept pushing Mazzy away. But there was a time where he actually turned around and ran away Like I've never seen in a boxing ring someone turn their back to the opponent and running the other. He actually looked scared until Mazzy threw a billion punches. The guy couldn't even stand up anymore. 

20:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He was wearing jeans man. 

20:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The guy was wearing jeans. Mazzy was wearing jeans in the boxing ring. 

20:54 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The actual fight was horrible. 

20:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He showed up in a $700,000 car. I know. 

21:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what I'm saying. He has nothing to gain off a fight For the whole thing to be orchestrated. What does that guy have to gain? He does get nothing. Maybe like, I guess, a little bit of clout. If he beats Shawn in the ring he could say I fucking beat, but there's so much for him to lose. Why would he do that? Same with Elf, you know, like like death showing up. I think those were organic. But I do personally think that sean has had, like he's had this in the war. He's trying to go like he already had the gym ready to go. He had fucking like quote unquote ring girls, like girls in the. He had the party bus rented. 

21:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He had all the shit ready to go sean's also the most fucking annoying person on the whole internet. Well, we haven't. That dude fell out. 

21:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Hold on Go back for a second One more. This is when he fell out of the ring without being punched. He tried to throw a punch and lost his balance. Your buddy Prop Dude tweeted it. I had the same thought. Guy looks like a loony toon. He did. 

22:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He was so tired he couldn that? 

22:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
that's a wall. I I mean, listen, hit the floor. Is that a wall? 

22:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
it was like a wall right off the ring I challenge kirk when he says that this fight wasn't entertaining. The fight was terrible from like a, a pure boxing perspective, from an entertainment perspective. 

22:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It was an 11 out of 10, I think. The build up I was captivated. I swear to you what it would have taken for me to leave my computer monitor like the sort of thing like one of my kids would have had to been bleeding out. 

22:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, like, if my kids like help. 

22:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I need, like my four-year-old's like help wipe my ass. I've been like, just pull your pants up for a few minutes. We could throw out the underwear. I'll deal with that Like what would have. So yes, rob is right, it was so, I was so. It was a freak show. 

22:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, but I was. 

22:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I couldn't look away, I could not what it would have taken for me to stand up and walk away in the middle of. That is embarrassing, Jacob you don't cut that. 

23:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't want to come off like I'm saying, oh, I was too good for it For three to maybe five hours pre-fight. 

23:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh no, I wasn't involved. 

23:15 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I was watching. 

23:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh. 

23:16 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Every second. I was tweeting about it. I was totally in on the fight and then 30 seconds I was watching the fight. I'm like these two. It On the fight and then 30 seconds I was watching the fight. I'm like these two. It was just I couldn't watch it. It was unwatchable to me to see them, like they. Just it's like I'm going to beat you in this, I'm going to beat you in this, but then they're actually just horrible at the sport, so it's hard to watch In fairness like, I think, if I was, in. 

23:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Vegas, I'd have 100% have been there Like if somehow my life was Vegas based. The afternoon is like off. I'm driving from one gym to another gym, I don't care where you guys do this thing. Jack Mack was there from Barstool, he showed up. He was. Oh yeah, no, he wasn't he was. He was there, he was at the thing. 

23:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He was the guy who originally took the picture of man of the Library who showed up with the orange beret on. 

24:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm a big Jack Mack fan. 

24:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm almost certain he was there? I don't think so. I'm going to have to look into it. I'm almost certain he was there. 

24:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I feel like I would have seen more of Jack Mack being there. I just don't think he wanted to promote it because it's not a Barstool thing Maybe. 

24:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm almost certain he was there. 

24:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Jack Mack flew from New York to Vegas for Elf's fight that he didn't even know was going to happen. That's the conspiracy For something that he can't even write about in a Barstool blog. 

24:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Maybe he was getting the pictures or videos from someone else. Okay, maybe you're right. I'm very pro-Jack Mack. 

24:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't know. Now we're arguing about something irrelevant. 

24:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well okay fight happens. 

24:49
Yeah, let's circle back to this. They go. They be green beans and man of the library, right, so fight happens. Elf is still running a space. He's. They're driving to the rio to check in because sean pen, sean perry got them a penthouse at the rio. Uh, he's got library in the back with him. They're doing their spaces. They get there, they check in, they go up to the, to the, the penthouse. Man of the library films it like he's never been in a hotel room before. I don't know, he's like filming every single part of the. 

25:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That was a cool hotel room. I've never been in a hotel room that nice yeah, well, you've got to own it though you can't be. 

25:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You can't be posting like he was yeah, anyways, look long story short, act like you've been there, buddy. Yeah, I agree, that's what I'm saying. 

25:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
His whole shtick is how the guy, how he's millions and his whole shtick is how he's been to these like parties back in the day with his stripper girlfriend and he's seen this shit and he knows who the freak show couldn't believe there are arcades in this hotel. 

25:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's like wow, look at these arcades over here. 

25:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's a nice room. 

25:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's also the Rio, as Jacob mentioned. They go out to Omnia at night. At some point in there Sean Perry says I don't want this guy around. They're done. Next night comes around. Library shows up. Brett's there now because he's flown in, like Jacob mentioned, and we had a really viral internet moment where Brett and Library want a piece of each other. Brett is somewhat being held back by someone else. 

26:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Somewhat's the right word, because it felt like if he really wanted to, he could have got past the one guy that was separating them Library, goes in the washroom. 

26:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He closes the door, he takes off his shirt, so he's now in a in a black undershirt underneath opens the door back up and he fucking goes bullet like ballistic in that moment to the point where I am I am not a library guy. I was fucking pissing my pants. I'm like this is too good. They're yelling at each other libraries like get in the fucking bathroom, let's go to one of us. 

26:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And you know what he's a grown man in a foot that wears a fedora rob and I'm not gonna say it's a good look. It's like one of the saddest looks. Grown man in fedora yeah. But when you see him a without a fedora on and you see his actual look or you think what that would look like with even a baseball hat, you're like it's such a weird look. He might be the only human on earth where the fedora might be doing him a favor. 

27:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't like to comment on people's personal appearances, but I will say that guy's come after me for many years for a receding hairline. When I finally got a look of at man of the library I was like this is the guy who has been roasting me for years for my fair game. 

27:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's fair game with him like that. 

27:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Anyway, that moment with him in the bathroom, I briefly thought in my head we might, I might, witness a murder on twitter I, he was going so crazy and that moment, and he had a little fanny pack. 

27:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He had a fanny pack with him. I'm like I don't know what's in that bathroom. 

27:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was thinking in my head I'm like if Brett Feinsod goes into this bathroom right now, he may die. I actually legitimately thought that at one point. Who the fuck like library? I'm going to avoid saying that he's like a brilliant, because I already said that before. He's a smart guy and it's been used, for you know he keeps using it as a clip to promote himself. I will say he put himself in such a good situation there. He put himself in a great situation. There was no fucking way this guy was ever going into that bathroom after that, like, and he comes off looking like roses because he's there. I was there to fight. I challenge you to the fight. You backed away. Brett was in an impossible situation because he's talked shit for like a month now. Didn't fight him and you know what you got. You got to suffer the consequences. Brett feinstein, you didn't fucking get in there and fight him. You should have went in and thrown down that's it. 

28:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, those things are go I want to like think of. I've been trying to think for, like, what is my opinion on this for the last few minutes, like how did we get here? How is it? How is like, how did we get from the spaces? Like three weeks ago it was like bo wagner coming on. Then man of libraries started talking like to like they're all in Vegas together you're into the libraries in the washroom screaming Brett's there faking like he wants and like. 

29:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sean Perry is there at the same time too, and he looks freaked out he's like he's like I don't want anything to happen in this room like. 

29:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I think we've maybe lost the plot. 

29:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Advice yeah yeah, well, that was, which is also, I think, pretty bitch. Get in fights all the fucking time. Well, that was the thing too In hotel rooms in restaurants Like people get in fights in private spaces. I guess the fact that it's been documented for the last 45 minutes is a lot different than right than like just a fight starting naturally. 

29:39
So maybe at that point, like sure, there's some level of liability. How do I put this? In the same way like I, you know, taylor mathis got her win versus nadeau in the spaces. Yes, yeah, like it didn't feel like a true win. Nadeau was just so off his game or coming out of a nightclub and he didn't perform, he was distracted, he just didn't do a good job. We're just like I get, taylor gets the win. I'm sorry, brett library gets the library gets the win was brett's girlfriend there yes, brett's girlfriend. 

30:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Apparently she had to witness his whole pathetic girlfriend was in the mix there as well. I mean listen that relation you cannot talk shit for for weeks and then show up and be like we need a contract after witnessing. 

30:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
After witnessing. If I got this deep, I would say you know what I got to? I got this. This Twitter thing has taken my. I need to be. I need some time. 

30:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I need to breathe. 

30:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Brett takes like you're a normal guy. Take some time to breathe. Yeah, you need. Take your girl out for a nice meal. Don't open Twitter. 

30:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't know if his girl I honestly don't know if his girl will recover. I wouldn't want like if I was dating someone or thought they were going to be in my life long term. I would never want them to see me in that lowest four moment. It's essentially in a different way, because you feel bad for the guy he got sick and something medically isn't right. In a different way because you feel bad for the guy he got sick and something medically isn't right. But it's like the same way you feel horrible for what happened to Tracy Morgan courtside at an NBA game for the world to watch you at your lowest moment like that, yeah. 

31:14
Like Brett, your girls saw that. That is just so fucking painful. I'm sorry, man, here's the thing. This is just the simple fact of the matter. You, you freaked out on the internet forever. 

31:28
Yeah, two things can be true. You didn't have to go in that washroom because no one's going in that washroom. Yeah, libraries plan in the confined space is to jump on your back. Maybe he's got a taser in that fucking satchel of his who the fuck knows? Or a chloroform wash, like you've seen in wrestling with doink the clown and they just knock you the fuck out. He'd have strangled him like a monkey on his back in a confined space. Didn't never go in there. But I'm sorry, even if you like, take a cheap shot or a two second head start. Once he's three steps from the door in that room, you just fucking go. Because you goaded him into the room and, whether you like it or not, kirk library showed up. He showed up and, to rob's point, maybe he gets the. He's a bit of a bright guy, maybe played the situation perfectly. 

32:19
I'm going to show up. I'm going to run right into the washroom. If he wants to confront me in the washroom, that's good for me, me. But once I step foot literally into that room unless Brett fights him. Brett takes the L. There's just no other way around that as far as I'm concerned. The fight didn't have to start clean maybe, but once he's four steps from that front door, it's go time for Brett. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He called him out. He demanded he showed up. The guy showed up. That's it. That's it, that's it. 

32:55
Listen, I'm like Perry. I mean, perry was just in a boxing match. I'm just a fucking Jew boy. I've never thrown a punch. I'm a lefty, I've never thrown a punch. I'm a lefty, I've never thrown it. Yeah, I've never thrown it. I just think it's so I'm speaking as a guy who's never thrown one. Now in college I my friends like ran, like they were throwing the party at the club and the bouncer didn't know I had the accent. Anyway, I got donked in the face once by a bouncer, led to double black eye. So my, my haters will enjoy that. It's the only punch I've ever taken. It led to multi black eye. 

33:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
At least you didn't break your nose, didn't break anything. Yeah, just a simple. That's a win man. 

33:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And then the next year it was like a paint party, so they're all like fucked up in like these shirts that you get splatter painted on. I went as myself for Halloween the next year, had like girls do makeup with two black eyes. It played well because it was like, literally, I walked around college for a fucking like week with two black eyes. Yeah, it's not a good look. In winters I couldn't wear sunglasses, um, but, buddy, no, you did see how the guy walked in the room. He answered the call. He said, showed up. 

33:57 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He showed up. I'm gonna victory lap myself a little bit because I got shat on when me and joey tunes were talking shit on the internet and he said he was going to fold me through a table and immediately I'm like, all right, if this guy wants to beat me up, I'm out like I'm, I'm. Yeah, I don't want to fight anyone. But that, like you, don't need to keep escalating. Like the internet, stuff is funny and dumb. But, like brett, where he went wrong wasn't what he did in the room because, yeah, I think you might be right, maybe when you've got into that point, you got a fight, fucking man, a library, it's okay but he didn't know, didn't you can't get to that point where you're standing in that room in the Rio, yes, being there, you've made mistakes because we flew out, flew out for this, to libraries credit this and you know what, to library's credit. 

34:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Afterwards, library pulled the classic move of we're not doing this fight now because I showed up, I was ready to fight and you weren't there. You weren't ready. Too bad, it's on you and and that's it. But like you cannot, if you're gonna fucking get so triggered that's a guy in vegas is talking shit about you that you're going to fly out and fight him you have to fight at all costs and I? 

35:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I true, at some point brett should have been like okay, I am the, he could just take you, go 500 feet above and go like I am the normal one, right, like I'm not. Like said brett had no ideas. Dad was a prominent nfl agent, yeah, um, and the library's trying to like slander his dad's career, which? 

35:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
has been happening on the spaces. 

35:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Bullshit I'll give brett like full leeway and that like that's what library does no, like his, like his dad built up a great business and career. Library is gonna fucking slander and fuck that, but anyhow, brett is the one that, like, has a path to like a very normal outcome. Yeah, library is so far gone. 

35:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You hit at some point there yeah oh you hit a library I hear it was that my first one, or my last one, the first one I've known you hit a library there. 

35:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, no, first r you went library well, I'll tell you another trick I have coming up in a minute, but um, it's just in. He could have said you know what this like went way too far? Yes, that's, and like on a much, much exponentially smaller scale, because there were no airplanes or threats involved. But just as an example, in my most recent internet, like tit for tat with vig, like okay, it got to a point where like this is like I actually don't hate, like I don't you don't dislike, you might bore me at times, but like this is now we've taken some personal shots but like there's literally no need to escalate. 

36:36
This was like stupid. Yes, we haven't like gone back and forth in like forever. We're like cool, right. Just say like we realize like this is pointless. People were dming me info to like potentially dox. Say like we realize like this is pointless. People were dming me info to like potentially dox them and I'm like this is not where I was going yeah, I'm just out. 

36:53 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, yes, I'm just. I can always do that. 

36:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So to know kirk said, said how did we get here? And that's been like a topic of conversation with people who are now pointing the finger at elf for creating this right. So flop, uh, chris deer kiss says he posts the classic meme of the guy you know standing up. Elf hasn't changed. People are just jealous of his success. Big buck hunter from novig said uh posted a meme as well. 

37:18
Who wants to hate on elf? Everyone's raising their hands. Who will stop watching his faces? Nobody raises their hands and there is a lot of conversation of like where the hell is this content gone right? Even Spanky's head trader, luke David Hill, man of the Vig, man of the Vig, says I think the more Elf talks to these frauds and learns how they live and who they party with, the more he envies the lifestyle. I pray he stays strong. I definitely have seen a massive evolution in what the spaces were Like you mentioned. The original ones were like let's have on a scammer, let's open the like, let people ask questions, whatever. Now it's almost, it's still like the Exponent 100. 

38:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but it's not just like the gambling thing and the scammers, it's trying to create this whole element of like these shows. My wife watches like Southern Charm with this Amanda Vance shit, so it's like a combination of shows that like I don't want to watch and the show that I want to watch. Sometimes, now listen, the space goes like seven hours. If there's things that bore you for a couple hours, you've got to figure it out, get over it. You don't have to listen to all of it. That's clear. But it's just becoming something different than when I really thought I liked it. But also credit to Elf because he pulled off something pretty fucking amazing, but it's growing right. 

38:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Go ahead. Kirk, I think these tweets are all right, but Elf never cared about the scammers. He never was like I'm doing, like he just wanted to do it to get attention. He never had a problem with the scammers from the start and, like I think, as someone who is pretty anti-scammer, I think it's shitty and I've said that about Elf before. But he is being true to himself in the sense that he, exactly like man of the Big, says he sees Sean Perry, he sees Mazzy. He's like these guys are driving insanely fancy cars. They got the suite at the Rio, whatever, that's what he cares about. 

39:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And to further that, though, when the spaces started, everyone was new. People didn't know who man of the Vig was, who Brett Feinsod was. Library, yeah, library, Like you know. Man of the Vag is in there as well. You know, mr the Beak. The Beak is, by the way. If the Beak isn't atop the power rankings for the spaces, then destroy the power rankings. 

39:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Definitive gap to number two. 

39:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's not even close. The beak is the best. It's the guy that sounds like Adam Sandler playing Little Nicky. Amazing, I got a lot of questions, but I love it. 

39:55
Yeah, we'll figure that out down the road. But now all these people have interacted for months on end and there's character. It's literally like wrestling, but there, and the wrestling is actually happening. Now there's like but it's it's. There's beefs that are happening every night and Elf to me, I, you know, I listened to a lot of the spaces, I talked to Elf on the side every now and then it's very clear to me, whether he will admit it or not, he only only just cares about the engagement 100, plain and simple. He just wants to grow the show as big as possible. And when we know, when we come on and we're like, oh, you know, the content is shit, this is not good, but he's getting 10k more listens a night, he's gonna be like okay, and you know what? Guess what? Whenever people are in there, they complain for an hour like elf no more amanda vance, we're done with amanda vance. But he brings her on. More people join. It can't be like this double-edged sword. You can't say Elf, don't do this, it's not that she can't come on. 

40:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's like she's upset how people would shit on her but are being nicer to Mozzie when he, before shit, totally went off the rails with perry and I'm like amanda, you wouldn't even take questions, yes, and so like, how are you, mazzi like might be giving his responses, but she, you know, no one's asking him. No one's been able to ask you about the fake testimonials, rob I mean listen. 

41:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean elf did the thing where, uh, he flew out to Miami to go to a hockey game with Amanda Vance, right, I listened to the spaces afterwards. By the way, amanda Vance didn't show up for these spaces in her own house. She was too drunk, she fell asleep, or whatever the story was. I don't even give a shit, because I honestly knew that that was going to happen regardless. But listening to Elf talk about it, he's like yeah, we were just trying to generate content on the internet and we were getting like 200,000 views on this, on that. That's all he cares about. To me. I'm honestly, I give zero fucks about any of that. Like I don't give a fuck about, like, some fake content ploy of we're going to go to a game together. It's going date amanda bought tickets in the nosebleeds. 

42:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And now we have to buy, I have to, I, I don't, I, I give zero, fucks the worst shows other people do and sadly they keep up with it. 

42:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And as long as people keep showing attention to that content, he's going to do it. So plain and simple elf's not an idiot okay, so can I say something go ahead else not an idiot, I not an idiot. 

42:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I agree, I give him his fly. He's done something great. He's taken the ball, he's run with it. It's clear, the engagement is his thing. Now he might not like what I'm about to say next. Uh-oh, no, I just and I say this because I like it, and I'll preface it by saying I mean, you two are a lot skinnier than me so maybe you didn't take notice like I did, but about six, seven, eight years ago there was this great, like hamburger war taking place in the city, like lots of great like a like when burgers priest opened up. 

42:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, before they got beat up by conglomerates. 

42:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
A lot of smash burger stuff before smash burgers even became, like internet, trendy. They were getting trendy. It was like I loved it. Why? Because, like, I love cheeseburgers. So it was like why would I complain if someone else is like, I might think your cheeseburger is amazing, but if someone else wants to open up a cheeseburger joint that I like, why would I complain? Yeah, it's something I like, so I want more of it to the spaces. Seeing what now is clear how much elf has been able to make profits off of this from getting handed $10,000 cash to the audience where he's probably a few weeks ago, months ago, the first month, I probably had a very good handle Three months, in a couple months, in what he was getting. Now I'm probably not. To be perfectly honest. I mean, he quit his full-time job to pursue this? 

43:42
Yeah, so let me continue, rob, people aren't stupid. There's other young kids I think I mean I'm too old for it. I got a life. I got to wake up, get kids to school. I couldn't do it. But like someone, what else Elf's like talent doesn't seem like someone else couldn't do what he is doing. There's money in it, so there's gonna be a lot of what I see? 

44:09
copycats I'm not talking about no fucking omar spaces. Yeah, it's okay, nadu started his own, do? I'm just saying if, like you, and nadu were on at the same time as elf, I think so much of else audience and maybe I'm wrong because I'm in my own little bubble, but it's like boomer cappers. Yeah, yeah, boomer cappers and someone could create something another great cheeseburger joint. Yeah, that boomer cappers, like there was, I was enjoying they do space more than elf space. When it was head to head it was just more in line. 

44:41
I agree With what I the show I want to hear, the radio show I want to listen to. So that's all. And other kids I think I was 24, 25, 23. 

44:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I just guess Mid-20s, yeah, yeah. 

44:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But I feel like I'd be pretty close. See, like this is my, like I want to get into this. 

45:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

45:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Space Days is pretty fucking simple and Nate like, but I think you're underselling him a little bit. 

45:07
No, you can't just start it. You need a bit of an audience you have to have. Nadeau was like a great ladder step for elf. Yeah, nadeau seems like he would be willing to offer other people that ladder step for to create the show. I'm not saying the show Nadeau wants is the perfect show, but I'm saying a show more in that lane. Yeah, and I am giving Elf credit. He's taken the ball, he's run with it, he's done something great. But I also don't see this talent. 

45:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That is just a force of a talent that couldn't do what he is doing I, I, I slightly disagree, and here's the reason why because, like what, what bothers nadu about elf spaces is how he fucking glad hands all these these scammers, like that's called. Like what, what? What has been the, the formula for elf for the last month? I'm gonna find the biggest fucking scammer. I'm getting steve stevens on. I'm gonna do like I'm gonna go to tiktok find a scammer, get them on. That's been his recipe for success. It's like it's almost like who can outdo the previous scammer. Right, and I don't really want to listen to that. 

46:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'll be if you started a space, yes, I'm just saying, if you started a space, I can't do. 

46:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, I'm just saying entertainment because I can't bring those people on. This is my point. Like people are joining a space where they see des bryant, sean perry whatever. 

46:34 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
joining the space, rob? Because they're getting, because there's a crowd in the spaces, yes, and then elf is tweeting them and then, and then he's telling the audience to amplify the tweet. So if someone hears people are talking shit about you here, a lot of cappers want to come in and defend themselves. 

46:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's how I first got into the space. 

46:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So my point being is if someone else started a space that gained a level of traction and then the whole space was ripping on someone, and then 200 people at-tweeted someone who is a scammer, being like they're making fun of you in here, there's a chance that scammer gets in there. That's how it fucking works. 

47:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's actually very good. I think it'll be tried. Someone will try. 

47:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah. So I'm just saying I think Elf's hamburger joint is great, it's great. The menu might not be full for me. I is great, it's great, the menu might not be full for me. I'm more of an in and out guy where there's only three things on the menu Hamburger, double hamburger, french fries, else like. Tim Hortons, there's like 800 things on the menu. 

47:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And it kind of. 

47:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But, like you, go there for things that you like. So that's all I'm just saying. He is making an amount of money where it would be crazy for people not to try to copycat it. I'm with you, that is where I'm going with that, so I'm encouraging. It's just my love of hamburgers. That's all I'm talking about. 

47:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
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49:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So the popular thing now for a couple of years that has just picked up steam is just betting underdogs, all the underdogs, straight unit, $100 on every single underdog. In previous years you may have made quite a bit of money. This year you would not have done very well. There's been a pretty much historic level of lack of upsets, lack of Cinderella runs, because it's been a thing where one or two huge underdogs can really pay you out. But that just has not happened this year, and one of the people really feeling the heat from this is Gavin McHugh, who is in the video here hyping it up. 

50:14
But yeah, they've gotten absolutely, absolutely crushed and people have definitely called them out. Further. There's been more blue horseshoe Fezzik putting down on every one seed on the money line. If anybody's unaware, fezzik a couple of years ago had an absolute nuke on Purdue who were the one seed, and they ended up losing in the first round. I actually don't quite remember if they were the one seed, but it was a humongous bet on Purdue back when they had Zach Eady, they were the one seed. 

50:44
They lost first round and we still make fun of it to this day. But he's still giving out these humongous money line bets and people are still going to roast him for it. I personally think and I've said this before about the Purdue one part of this is promo, because he knows everyone will talk about this. 

51:01
But I'd like to hear what you guys think about that. Then there were some conversations why is this so popular when it's clearly worse basketball than the nba? So we'll see some opinions on that, and then perhaps the emerging mike vivian in the content space. First tip for watching march madness is watching the games with your shirt off you're good. 

51:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I, this video was great, but I like mike vivian it's like a very dry, subtle humor reminds me of me a little bit but the whole like you got to watch march madness with your shirts off because you're going to sweat the games You're going to sweat, so you might as well do it without a shirt. First thing I noticed here on this like I watched this Gavin McHugh video of like this is like standard new age content creator stuff. It's like you know, I've looked at the last 20 seasons in this sport and this is you know, if you, if you did this, you'd be profitable. None of it's ever forward looking. It's all this. 

51:52
I see the bet mgm logo, first and foremost on there that kind of tells me a little bit about about the content. But yeah, anytime stuff like this comes up, it's just like another indicator to me of like how people don't understand how a market works. 

52:07 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's it's just useless information being paraded as as useful information I get a message at least one every year of someone being like have you seen this strategy? Like do you think I should do it? You're the 12s versus the fives. 

52:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's another classic you gotta pick a 12 or a five in your back. 

52:22 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It happens every year don't we have have to give Jason his flowers. Are you talking about Jason? Takes by Jay. Yeah, takes by Jay, because a few weeks ago we all mocked him and laughed at him when we did the great sports days and, like day one and two of March, madness wasn't good. 

52:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And so. 

52:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Ornations. 

52:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Cup was awesome. 

52:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So for next year's rankings. It was awesome, so for next year's rankings. Well, so it wasn't good relative to like, we didn't have buzzer beaters there was a lot of blowout games, I would say, in the early going. That didn't really change my level of excitement about the tournament. I think when you're betting it, and you're live betting, it doesn't even dawn on me anymore that it's not a close game. It's like I'm taking this team plus 17 and a half live. 

53:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Everything is a close game now Like unzip yes, step out of your bubble. Yes, it was like a pretty boring first couple rounds. I don't know. 

53:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But the guy said you're going to defend. 

53:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He said week zero college football. 

53:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, because I don't know if you've seen the point spreads on week zero. College football there's very rarely good games. 

53:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The thing that pisses me off about the boring March Madness is everything that happens is a total indictment of the full thing. It's like March Madness is still amazing, it just had a bad year. Sometimes if you sim these games a lot, sometimes it's going to be worse. 

53:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The chalk the teams are winning, the better teams are winning. But I see people being like NIL. 

53:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Now the other teams don't have a chance. Blah, blah blah. That's just not true. 

53:58 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's not like the lines this year were minus 40, but in other years it was minus 20. 

54:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Once every 12 years, Danny Willett wins the Masters. 

54:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah of course Exactly. 

54:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But every other year it's like a preeminent freaking guy Exactly, I don't know why and when he wins, you don't think oh, the next year? Oh, we got a better long shot. That just happens sometimes. 

54:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Regardless, I would say for the mass-produced content that's out there nowadays, if something is generating hundreds of thousands of views, like a quote-unquote strategy to bet all the underdogs because in past tournaments it's been profitable, it is very likely not a winning strategy if it's being filtered to the masses like that yeah, I, not only did physics, hand out a blue horseshoe, okay, he dm'd me the personal correspondence, oh he's still dming you. 

54:47
I thought at some point, because you guys were, you guys had it out publicly as well I thought that maybe he would stop. Like I haven't received the pheasant message in a long time, which I'm not complaining about, because I was getting like 50 a day, but uh, I'm surprised that he's still messaging you on the side. Yeah, I haven't got one since january 29th, which was a two-pick parlay. 

55:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's been a lot of one way, but I— Listen, I appreciate it, but it was go Duke minus 7,000. Did you bet it? 

55:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, I didn't bet it. It probably wasn't minus 7,000. And there definitely wasn't a minus 7,000. I didn't mean to out him on the different line. No, you should. 

55:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No I didn't mean that you should. 

55:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The last message I got from him is a very defensive message because we talked about the punts. 

55:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Remember when he gave out the punts and we said the limits were really low $11 on a fresh account. So he sent me a two-pick parlay. 

55:35 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That was where the stake was $250 as a sign that you could actually like On a minus 203. Plus 203. 

55:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Brett Feinstadt ran into Fezzik, yes, and they had a good hangout. 

55:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Someone DM'd a pic of him Listen. 

55:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Fezzik. I said it last week. He publicly did something we already spoke about in the DMs, so I got angry back. I'd still eat a meal at Saginaw's with him. 

56:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I wouldn't. I've done it before. This bet honestly, might have been good. It probably was Okay. So in situations like this, I actually don't disagree. But there's this. I could never tweet this, yes, because, first and foremost, we've talked about this on the show. There's zero upside. 

56:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Zero. 

56:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There is no upside to the. The upside is, yes, if you you win the bet, you've increased your bankroll or whatever, and fez will do do these types of things, but like he's gonna have to be betting millions of these to make up for the purdue money line that lost previously now, and if so many people know him as the purdue money line exactly it doesn't matter how many of these he gives out. All it's honestly, how much do you? 

56:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
think not even him like like, what is he risking on this? To to bring home how much? 

56:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
well, he's saying five percent of his bankroll roughly so I mean I don't know what's the kelly. What's the kelly I'd be? 

56:57 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
surprised if he had more than 20 grand on it, maybe, but but purdue, I think he did have like maybe six figures. Uh, I think he said he lost six figures, but he was actively trading that one which was like a rough look, like he was live betting the other side just to get out of the position. 

57:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I mean minus 9300 is 98.9 implied, so he has them 99.7 on 98.9. I don't know. Rough Kelly in my head, yeah, I think he's probably betting like 5% of his bankroll, like he said in the note. You think he's actually doing that, though I don't know if he is or not. I do believe he does this. 

57:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think he's betting it. I don't think he's betting 5% of his bankroll. 

57:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't. The one thing I will say about Steve is I actually do think he bets everything that he's giving up. Oh, I agree with that. I do think he bet Duke Moneyline. 

57:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh, no for sure. Even on the punts thing, I believe he got down on it good for himself. 

57:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Depends on what you consider to be good. Yeah, depends what you consider to be good. 

58:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, I don't think it's the staple of the portfolio for the day, but I think you want a few thousand bucks. 

58:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Maybe I don't know. Okay, I don't know. I would venture a guess it wasn't. Either way, he can yell at me online. 

58:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'll still try to put a little air in his tires. 

58:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say I do hope Fezzik continues to post the big money lines because, if anything, it creates a massive rooting interest for me in the opposite side, every single one of those. As soon as one of those messages goes out, I get it in five different friend groups at the same time and then, when it's, he had auburn. I don't remember who auburn played in the first round, but that it was close in the first half, yeah yeah, it was close yeah and I was like 

58:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
but even when those games are close, like six minutes in, your friends are probably already buzzing Like it's too old, like here we go. 

58:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, the college players are worse at basketball, so the basketball is better to watch. These debates go on nonstop about whether you prefer the college game. 

59:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't believe it's possible that they're worse players today than 25 years ago. No, no, but he's saying the college players are worse than the NBA players. 

59:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what makes the viewing experience better. I generally disagree with that notion. Yes and no, because I can't watch junior hockey, for example. 

59:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I watch them play, okay, I'm like but, that being said, you'd have just as much fun watching like 217 handicaps play a hole, knowing they really like could hit good shots but really have no fucking clue. That's on any shot. 

59:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's because you relate more to them, I guess. Like, like I prefer watching an NBA game to college basketball. But I love March Madness because of the whole like the crap, like how, everything. I can't describe why I like it so much more. It's not the quality of basketball. 

01:00:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'll explain it. It's like in the NFL watching a 50-yard field goal versus watching a 50-yard field goal in college Bingo. It's like okay they're hitting them at 96% now in the NFL. This college thing, this thing could miss by 40. 

01:00:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, I do think in basketball specifically and I actually do really agree with this take even though I prefer watching the NBA, but I do like watching lower leagues or even women's is similar to this. The NBA guys are so athletic and so good that a lot of basketball strategies have been nullified. You can't track Spacing's impossible. 

01:00:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Exactly Like you can't trap, yeah, the spacing's impossible. 

01:00:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Exactly Like basketball wasn't designed for a 6'9 player to be able to have an insane handle, pass with both hands and shoot from 30 feet. So, like you, kind of just have to play a few ways. 

01:00:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Great point In a way where, like football, having a 6'7 tight end who runs like a gazelle is actually, like, very beneficial to the visual yes, like to the optics of the product yeah, that's a great point the like true athleticism it just, it just shrinks yes, the game, and then also especially in betting. 

01:01:19 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I find like the worst parts about betting is when like something happens that like a team plays a perfect defensive possession but a guy just bangs like a ridiculous shot. And that happens so much in the NBA but in college or women's, if you play a perfect defensive possession, the guy's going to miss, you know, like the vast majority of the time Versus like a contested, insane fadeaway shot three in the NBA. It's like that's going in 40% of the time. 

01:01:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
This is. I mean, maybe this is like good other clippable content, but is there a sport that you enjoy, that you like watching without a bet? More than most, because for me it's actually easy, and it's runaway baseball. I just love the sport of baseball so much that I could just like turn on a random game, like not have to have a bet, and kind of be able to take it in. And as much as I'm a football degen, I need action on Thursday fucking night or I'm going to bed. 

01:02:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I could watch the Sunday of a PGA event with nobody in contention and be really interested. 

01:02:22 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's like the final, like the last eight holes of a PGA down the line. It's like saying I would like the last eight holes of a pga down the wire. 

01:02:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's like saying I would like the last 10 minutes of a basketball, sure, but I think it applies because it is spaced out on different days, um, but even then, okay, even forget about sunday. I I always have golf on in the background when I'm working in my office probably even even on days where I don't have anything in. 

01:02:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yes, I could watch golf with that. I bet like I have cards that are blown up by this and I'm like, yeah, I put, I have cards that are blown up in a day. I'm still watching the rest of a right tournament. I like I love the sport, jacob I just. 

01:02:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I just sit down and watch soccer every weekend. Soccer is another one. I hardly bet on soccer. 

01:02:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't bet soccer at all, and I watch soccer so it's the pacing, it's like baseball, like it's just the pacing of it. I also think with soccer and golf oddly. 

01:03:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oddly, I can nap through a little bit of the event and wake up and don't really feel like I missed a ton. Baseball also probably I guess baseball too, but baseball's more summer and I'm out. Anyways, it's a really good, thought-provoking question from philosopher Jeff over here. 

01:03:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I wanted to liken this tweet a bit to. I think Kirk had a really good example, but like top level boxing, like Floyd Mayweather, some of those fights weren't entertaining because he was just surgical and the guy wouldn't touch him the entire fight. Then you have John Perry vs Mozzie, two guys who have no idea how to throw a punch, fighting each other and the entire gambling world is captivated on Twitter. 

01:03:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I threw a party for Mayweather Pacquiao and it was like one of the most brutal. I couldn't even believe it. 

01:03:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They didn't say it before, but credit to Nadeau for getting what I believe was six figures to fight for Port Rough and rowdy. 

01:03:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:04:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're going to fight on the internet. You're going to do that whole fucking shtick. Hate a guy, not hate a, a guy. 

01:04:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've come full circle on the do. We used to beef on the internet like six, seven years ago, big time I've. I've come full circle and I will on other people as well. I will on other people as well. Uh, analytics capper. Here the capping capper, jacob go ahead. 

01:04:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, so march madness, everyone wants to put out a lot of action, especially if you're selling a pick package on Discord or Dub Club. In this example for Analytics Capper, somebody who has a pick package on Dub Club and people want to go ham, they want to get the subs up and I think people take these sorts of days as an opportunity to get something viral. But it worked out in the complete opposite way here. Abnormallydist, who has one of the more popular episodes on this channel, circles Off. That was brought to many people's attention over the week on Twitter, but took a screenshot of Analytics Capper's bets for the day. He said if you had a bad day, don't worry, you could be 0-6 down nearly 53 units after day one of March Madness. 

01:05:07
It's a screenshot of Analytics Capper's sheet with six bets. All of these bets are eight unit bets, including the VCU, plus two and a half play of the day, also eight units. Even though it's the play of the day, it's also eight units and naturally a lot of people did call out Analytics Capper, but his reply was posting his record over the last six years showcasing he's up 38 units 147, 199, 166, up big units, even though he lost this one 53 units in one day. However, I did dig in a little bit to try and find some pick tracking or some sort of record. Would love to be directed in that direction. I could not locate it diving through Analytics, capper's pages and Twitter, so would love to be proven wrong if that exists. But yeah, 52 units. 

01:05:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Does anyone know anything about Analytics Capper? 

01:06:03 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I know a lot about Analytics Capper. I'm just finding him on Twitter for the first time. 

01:06:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I've never heard of him. 

01:06:08 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He was the first person I ever really went at on Twitter, Okay so you have some beef with him. Yeah, my understanding is he's a total losing bettor who sells plays for a lot of money and he also works for Action Network. And when I called him out, multiple people who worked at, or who previously had worked at or currently worked at Action Network DM me being like yeah, everyone in the company thinks he's a scammer. We don't know why he's on the show, on shows, but he still record and that's right. 

01:06:41
From Action Network as of the last time I checked on this, he still records shows with their multiple two biggest personalities on Action Network and they still promote him. And he does shit like this Six, eight unit play. 

01:06:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Action Networks, like they put. No one is probably worse at putting scammers on a pedestal than them. Elf is no. No, I don't even think their reaches are the same. Like action network works with like nba and like pga tour, they really do platform in a way that, like I don't even believe elf is close to the level. Uh, in some, in some respects, I don't, I don't necessarily. 

01:07:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So the thing with action network people think I'm like an anti-action network guy because I've I've had some feuds with people over the years. Right, I actually do like a lot of the people from action network. I do. I think a lot of them are winning betters. Then I think there's this class of people that are probably winning betters that cannot relay the information to the audience to make them winning betters. Then there's guys like analytics capper well, I don't know him, but that are in the the classic grifter category. They have a lot of them. 

01:07:54
Well, I mean, just looking at this, just look at this sheet. Okay, he's giving out eight sorry six eight unit bets, eight units being eight percent of bankroll on every single one of these bets on march madness games. I don't know if these closed well or not, I have no way of telling here, but I would say that's definitely horrible bankroll management, without a doubt. You should never, ever, advise somebody to do that and like that is to me. Forget about the oh and six. You could have just showed me the card and I don't even care what. 

01:08:25
Completely agree, right, the 0-6 is just the cherry on top, because, obviously, abnormally, this is like rooting for this guy to lose, which I get, but then to follow it up by saying, well, these are my records over the course of. Nobody gives a shit, dude, when somebody just lost half of their bankroll following your plays, no one gives a fuck what your records were previously, it doesn't matter. Because if you lose 53 of your bankroll in one day, guess what? You either have to chase to make it back, which is highly I I mean, I don't encourage it, but people will do that, will do that or you have to substantially reduce your bet sizes to the point where, like, it's gonna take you a long time to make that money back, so none of it actually matters. So for him to say, oh, this is hilarious, I'm a winning bettor, I had this bad. Well, your one bad day is a catastrophically bad day. 

01:09:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think that's something people don't understand. That's actually a really good point. So let's say someone just subscribed to Analytics Capper and their bankroll was $1,000. They and their bankroll was $1,000. They now lost 52.8 units $528. $528, their bankroll is whatever $470. If Analytics Capper wins 50 units now 52.8 units you don't win back that money Because if you're using proper bankroll management, you are downsizing your bets because your bankroll is so much lower. So 52.8 units doesn't get you to even. It gets you much less than even because you have to change your bet sizing. All of this is semi-irrelevant in this conversation because obviously, if he's telling you to do this, he's probably not going to lead you to many wins. But it's not like 50 unit down, 50 unit up like that if, if you start at the wrong time, you're not making that back, even with 50 units up I think you're giving him a lot of credit saying he's doing one unit as one percent of bankroll. 

01:10:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I think one unit is just yes, but that's just nothing. Yeah units are not, are nothing yeah, exactly, if we call it, I'm saying I mean, I hate people. 

01:10:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
First of all. I get triggered so much when I see the units stuff here Because, first of all, we don't know if eight is his average unit, because every single one of these plays is eight. If that's his average unit, then guess what? In 2025, he wasn't up 76 units, he was up just under 10. Yes, wasn't? Up 76 units he was up just under 10. Yes, because that's his stand. Like people do this all the time right to inflate records and stuff like that. 

01:10:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But I think this is like the ultimate, like march madness, free roll in his mind, because if he's a good day, I'm up 24 units, on the day I'm up so big we're crushing march madness, and then he can put it on this fake or not fake record here and then if he loses which he did, he he'd go oh so hilarious. Look how good I've run over the last six years. 

01:11:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That was the plan the whole time. I actually I mean, I don't know anything about this guy, but these two tweets I can't stand. I can already not stand them, Absolutely, I can already not stand them. 

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01:13:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Reviewing your comments from last week, uh, there's a few interesting ones. Um, jeff is a recreational better. The smartest thing the devil ever did was convince the world he didn't exist. I got a feeling he is much sharper than he lets on I don't understand. 

01:13:31
I I've convinced the world I don't exist I think what this guy is saying, ernie b 820 is that you're actually way sharper. Like we're passing you off as like this wreck better, but you're really like this sharp, I think like no, but I think my bets are a lot sharper than like some people think they are. 

01:13:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, and that's just osmosis of you know, hanging around with you or being in certain group chats or knowing figuring out years ago. I might love the NFL, but that doesn't mean like I'm good at capping it. So I've taken like a lot of approaches but at the same time it's Thursday night, still want to bet some first touchdown and go to bed at halftime. Yeah. 

01:14:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think. So I don't know. I think I would classify you as a wreck, but rex is like. But I've also done the dumbest things possible. 

01:14:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, like sure, like any day, is like embarrassing to think like the bets making in college or something yeah but I've burned accounts, being a bit of a sophisticated square, yeah, and you've always said like the dumbest thing you could do is do those things and get your accounts burned. So technically I'm an idiot for that. But also I was doing that before I even realized some of the inner workings of how this fucking game works. 

01:14:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I think that tweet is saying you're like a crusher, though. 

01:14:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, no, I mean listen, there's moments but, You've had some good golf runs, man, yeah, I think you downplay yourself a little bit, but like you know what you're doing yeah, I'm not. 

01:15:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that, like when you there's sharp and wreck, but let's start, let's say sharp and square, right, like if we're gonna go two types of betters there bettors, there's ones that win, there's ones that lose. 

01:15:18
There's also subcategories within each one of those and you're closer to the top end, like 99th percentile square, better I'll take. It Is kind of what I would say. You understand the ecosystem, but fuck, if you want to fire a bet on a game, you're going to fire a bet on a game. That's where I would say Jeff is at. You'll do that too though. Rob, 100%, 100%. I'm on the lower end of the sharp ecosystem, or maybe mid-tier, I don't know about that. You're pretty sharp. I have a lot of recreational tendencies. 

01:15:51 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I just live bet. 

01:15:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
March Madness for four days with zero edge, let's put it that way Okay, but that's like you. Zero edge let's put it that way Okay, but that's like you could still be a Sharp and love a tentpole event. 

01:16:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, and March Madness a tentpole event. 

01:16:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The Masters a tentpole event I've also done like this is condescending like I've done well in life as well. So, like I don't really view March Madness nowadays as like I have to make money on this, I don't view any event like like I have to make money on this. I don't view any event like I have to make money on this event. You know what I'm getting at. 

01:16:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're making money on, like you know, a week in hockey. 

01:16:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, like when my wife books an expensive vacation and I get back and I see the bill, I'm like, yeah, you know what, maybe I'm going to have to bet a little bit harder. You know that kind of stuff. That's it really. Brett Wells says it's Kirk's turn to get a tan. 

01:16:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Right, the week of the NBA play and I'm going to Mexico. So Are you? Yeah, I'll have a nice tan. I love Mexico, man, I fucking love. 

01:16:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Mexico. I will say for like a white I don't know if it's the lighting in here, but you that white to me yeah, I think I'm like a white guy. 

01:16:57 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm like, oh, I'm like pretty white, the camera's pretty. 

01:16:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He's in a pretty blind spot for the lighting in this room um it's you're doing me dirty, but the next, next recording spot will probably have better, I'll come in with a spray tan all right. 

01:17:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
and then we got a couple of messages which has already come up in the show. Did everyone just let it go? Jeff apparently doesn't know how to say the word library. Four times they let library go. How is he not absolutely dragged for that? And then Johnny C said the same thing library. Now I will say I didn't notice this last week in real time, so I am very much not someone who sits on the sidelines and doesn't take a shot when I hear that, but we did hear it today. 

01:17:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But because we read these comments. 

01:17:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, exactly, we were primed to it, it's true, we were privy to it. 

01:17:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Just think of how much I've overcome being dyslexic Like come on. 

01:17:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's not noticeable enough. 

01:17:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I get dragged a lot of times on Mayo's show in football season because I say YR a lot Like in receipt. Yeah, when talking about receivers, I don't know why and the comments drag me forward all the time. And then Pat defends me saying it's like a Yahoo thing, but I don't really know what he's talking about. But I don't know, it's just easier than WR, I don't know, like a Yahoo fantasy thing, maybe I have no clue? I have no clue. Y-r I have no idea. 

01:18:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But, I said it. 

01:18:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
When I told you I did it before the show and sort of went through some stuff. It took you a moment to even dawn on you why it was weird, I didn't even think about it. 

01:18:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You said I say wide receiver, yr yeah, and in my head I just processed that as wr. Yeah, I don't know why, but so maybe the same thing with library? I don't, I don't know yeah, yeah, it's weird as a reminder, this show does run on comments. 

01:18:52
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01:19:37
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01:20:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I actually think that the reaction has been better than I expected. I know. 

01:20:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So same with me, because I think most people don't like you Exactly so I would just assume they would be shitting all over whatever you're writing. Yes, I actually have the exact same thought. Well, there we go. Three things Sub here, leave a comment. Sub to Kirk's Hammer. Link is down in the description below, moving it along here Us versus the books. Jacob, give us the background on this one. 

01:21:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So for this one here we're going back to the same conversation surrounding the us versus the bookies stuff and we see on the screen here we had a at you capper sports. Talk about this us versus the bookies mindset being dead. Don't really know a lot about this, you capper sports guy, but essentially the conversation is influencers are trying to create this community Flashy, loud, entertaining and it's really a big group mindset to take down the books and to beat the books. The new wave of sports fans want to believe this game leads to luxury cars, vip tail. But the real success in this space isn't loud at all, it's quiet and disciplined. So a lot of differing takes here, but the point that UCAP or sports is trying to make is that the most profitable sports bettors are just worried about winning. They're not focused on flexing everything, which to a certain extent, you can agree with. But there was a lot of different takes and a lot of different reactions on this one. 

01:22:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean I do somewhat agree with that. I will say I'm a profitable sports bettor and I'm also involved in the content space as well, which I'm certainly in like a very, very small percentage of people that that is doing that nowadays. I believe every profitable sports better does things in in different lights, so to speak. For example, like Spanky is very public nowadays. I think part of the reason for that is to get more accounts and that's like part of the process with the, with the, the, we talked about us versus the bookies with ariel epstein's tweet last week. 

01:22:44
Right, and I've reflected on this a little bit more because I very much used to have that mindset and I think it's very much linked with being a rec sports better or someone who doesn't really understand sports betting to its full, like if I think about when I used to work with jeff a decade ago, we would sit around the office as a group we could be getting closer to 15 years now it's yeah, well, okay, early 2010s, but every day we would come in and we would sit and we would chat about what we were going to be betting. 

01:23:16
And we would bet with each other for the most part right me, jeff cam, our intern, ryan haynes, eric cohen like we used to. We used to sit around and chat and it very much was that mindset. But then you reach the point or at least I did of like, okay, now I win and now I realize that this is not how the ecosystem works at all. It's not us versus the bookies, it's me versus kirk, if we're both betting on the same sport in in a large capacity, and I think that's where the I think that's where, like you can say that mindset is dead. I don't agree with it. I think in, like the sharp community it definitely is. 

01:23:55
It's not a thing never existed really, but us versus the bookies. A brand like Book it, for example that's the mindset right. I mean, it still very much exists, but you don't think the people at Book it are winning on betting. 

01:24:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Sure, but that's the mindset, is what I'm going with the pro is going to just cringe so hard, but it's easy to do that too. So just take that for a warning. If you're a wreck, yeah, and you're like with your buddies and like you're betting, you can afford to lose bets, okay, like a wreck who can afford to like have a bad run in an nfl season and doesn't even alter anything, right, you have a shit day and your buddy hits like a great parlay or something or hits his bets. It's totally normal to be like I gave him the money but, buddy, I'm happy you took it like, even if you're betting at different sports books, even if you're not even betting on the same markets in the same sport, like I think you, I think sometimes the pro is like a bit over reading what that actually fucking means when it's us versus the books. Yeah, like I'm happy for my friends who won bets today, even if I lost my shirt. To me that's what it means. 

01:25:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Okay, but this guy is tweeting about being a winning sports better. He says want instant gratification, don't know, it's slow and steady, think that it's all luxury cars but being truly profitable or truly profitable bettors are inflecting. Like he's very much talking about serious winning sports bettors and I just it's just not like it's you versus the books, but it's also you versus everyone else betting that sport. 

01:25:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like for you guys, it's you versus the bucks, but it's also you versus everyone else you betting that sport, like for you guys, it's totally you versus the market. 

01:25:43
I mean it's you versus like. I know the closing line, people like think it's corny, but it's you versus that number, yes, and then when popular touts or services that are highly respected can move numbers with the release, and it's like and you want to and you like want to be on the other side of those points, like sure, like you're betting versus the market, you're not betting versus a better, but the, the recreat, the rec, I I think some people are overrating how the rec sees it well, I will say like there are some times, even on the pro better side of things, where there is this mindset like us versus the. 

01:26:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So here's an example, right, like somebody might reach out to me and be like hey, like what do I have to do to be able to move your hockey bets? You know, um it, it might be like a really good tennis better. It's like can I get in on your tennis action? And that's like kind of a way that we can work together to capitalize and we're not stepping on each other's toes. You know what I'm getting. So there there is. There is situations where kirk might reach out to me, I might reach out to him of like how can we help each other? But it's not gonna. It's not gonna. It's not a public type of mindset. I'm not posting picks every day. We got to take down the books. It would almost be embarrassing for me to do that nowadays, because I just know that that's not how the ecosystem works work together, especially if they're doing different sports, but even the same sports. 

01:27:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
but like at the simplest level, let's say the raptors open minus one and I want to bet it at 8 am because that's when I think I can get enough liquidity. And then someone clicks the screen and it goes to raptors minus two and a half. That's not me versus the books, that's just another person I don't know who. It is somewhere around the world who has the similar edge that I have on that game. They think Raptors minus one is good and they clicked it on screen and that means now I can't get my bet. Like it's just exactly like you said. It's us versus the marketplace, yeah. 

01:27:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And this like part of this tweet that says the new wave of sports bettors wants to believe this game leads to luxury cars and VIP tables. I mean, that's kind of true of any industry though. Yeah, that's just marketing, right, and I completely understand that. There are a lot of young people who follow guys on TikTok, instagram who, like, they see the lifestyle and they believe that these people are winners and they believe that, like, this is what a winning bettor looks like nowadays someone who can drop $250K at a blackjack table or something like that. But, like, that happens in every industry. Like, if you're on Instagram scrolling through and you're getting fed ads, most of the ads you're getting fed are like, I mean, I remember years ago there was somebody who got into like a big controversy because he was lifting fake weights on right, and they're promoting some sort of like weightlifting product. Like this just happens in this space. 

01:28:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'd never actually see the people who I deem successful pro bettors flexing anything. 

01:28:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes and no. 

01:28:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
What is Rufus brags about something he's doing at a jazz bar? 

01:28:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I mean you show up to Bet Bash this year. You'll a lot of rolexes and like high, high, expensive watches and stuff like that. It definitely I won't say that it doesn't exist. 

01:29:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're making me like you're just making my decision. 

01:29:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're never gonna see me show up with anything other than this fossil watch that I have on right now. 

01:29:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't wear a wedding ring. 

01:29:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't wear't wear anything, but you will see some element of flex. Okay, sure, but yes to your point. 

01:29:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The only thing, like the only People don't behave like Sean Perry. Spanky's like. I've never seen Spanky flex anything, and I'm not like debating anything he's ever accomplished or what people say, but like the only indication you'd have that it's like true is he once posted a family picture from his kitchen. You could see the crown molding in his house. I think it did all right, but you don't see him. The only person I would argue would be like whale capper. He just does it by the backgrounds from where he's doing his show from. 

01:29:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would say that, of the successful sports bettors that I know, the vast majority of them. I'm just going to word this carefully are trying to hide their wealth rather than show the way. 

01:30:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I've never seen you flex anything. I know you're a pretty modest guy to begin with. You don't have fancy tastes, at least not that I know of. I'm sure you the. But, I'm just saying like I don't know yeah. 

01:30:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jeff, I just live my life, man, Honestly. People can formulate their own opinions, but yeah, I don't. 

01:30:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I've never seen you clout chase anything. Maybe I'm wrong, but give me, I don't know. 

01:30:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm sure people can point to some examples. 

01:30:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, but like here I'm on this thing, or I got this because of gambling, or like I've never seen you do that. Maybe I'm forgetting or being biased, but maybe you know of something You're like I don't want to out myself. 

01:30:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I have posted some big tickets before, Like I've posted like a hundred K win on Bryson DeChambeau and like I I've posted I don't do those anymore, but I those are like out of spite though, like somebody calls you out in a bad, I did, I did post it uh, sorry, I'm talking more of like lifestyle things than like an actual. Like I was right about the bet yeah, because it like that's this, that stuff doesn't matter to me that's what I mean. 

01:31:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're very modest, you you have I live the life I want to live. 

01:31:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You have zero vanity, yeah. 

01:31:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Sure, you see Rolexes in person of people who are successful pro bettors but, like I said, some people who I consider are the best pro bettors, I don't see them flexing on the internet. 

01:31:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I mean, I'll give you a true story. And you know, obviously I invested in BetStamp many years ago and I was at a board meeting one day where they're like Rob, we got to turn you into like this public, like you need to do the Lamborghinis, you need to do the things, and I'm like I can't do that man. Like that's just so out of character for me. I'm like Johnny's got to do that If you want anyone't do that man. Like that's just so out of character for me. I'm like Johnny's got to do that If you want anyone to do that. 

01:32:01
Johnny has to be that guy and Johnny's like no, no, no, like I don't want to be any, but like there is. 

01:32:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But anyone who knows you knows you couldn't pull that off. It'd be so inauthentic. 

01:32:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would have to do your mind 100 but that was like well, what's, what are we going to do? Like everybody's doing this nowadays, like we are, we're in this same space. We have to compete with these people who are, like you know, showing videos of them playing, you know, roulette, and I I don't play like fucking high roller roulette, I don't. I mean, I like to gamble. If you'll see me, you'll see me buy in like three to 5k at a craps table, but like I don't want to lose fucking 50 K playing craps in one night, that's not a, in my opinion, just to just to, to, you know, be an internet persona. 

01:32:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No definitely not. 

01:32:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Um All right, keeping it moving. 

01:32:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I want to see what their kitchens look like. That's a good time. Oh, buddy, let me see your fridge in your oven. I'll be able to figure it out. 

01:33:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, we'll move next. We got Jeff Rosa up again on Circleback here. We don't know much about Jeff Rosa. He's a college basketball bettor, runs a dub club and a paid discord. He got really hot last year betting college basketball so, like many before him, that led to him selling picks. It's very clear that the sharpest bettors aren't exactly fans of his. I think Kirk is included in that one. 

01:33:32
I don't know him too well, but he doesn't come off as great in these tweets, so he had a very well-documented, very poor start to the March Madness festivities and guys like even Shady Beave, another online capper, were poking fun at him. And Rosa came up with this tweet amidst the bad run, saying I'm convinced that knowing less ball equates to more success betting March Madness. Lots of different responses here. Some people agreed with him, that's saying overanalyzing teams can lead to bad bets, while trust in numbers and market movement is a better approach. 

01:34:06
The Sharp community absolutely cooked him for this one, dunked on him every possible way, calling it a clueless take. I actually feel like this is a bit of a bell curve situation where it's like the squarest of square bettors think they know stuff and and make bets off that. Then you kind of get to like people who think like well, you know it. Maybe if you don't know anything it'll help you because you have all these biases associated. Then the sharpest bettors know how to eliminate these biases and know the game enough to know what's important, what's relevant to betting and still know the market associated with it. 

01:34:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But let's get your guys opinions I actually think there's a a very small element of truth to this tweet, but like I want to step it back. Step back here for a second. I'll do the costanza beep, beep. You know this is a cope filled tweet. Yeah, yeah, right, this is I'm having a bad march madness. I need to rationalize why I'm having a bad march madness. He didn. I need to rationalize why I'm having a bad March Madness. He didn't say more success betting college basketball. He's just highlighted this particular tournament where he thinks that having less ball knowledge equates to more success betting. So, first and foremost, cope-filled tweet. Second thing like knowing ball and the whole conversation of, like, you don't know ball Ball knowledge, I get it. There certainly is an element of understanding the sport when you're modeling it, but, like to me, it sounds like I kind of harp on the same point over and over. To me, it's all about knowing markets and how markets work, more so than knowing the, the sport itself. Are you shaking your head? 

01:35:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
a little. Yeah, no, I don't think I, I don't think I totally agree. I think both are really important. Like if you're like I think I've tweeted this pretty much exactly like if you are like the best trader in the world, you can be really, you can be really successful without knowing anything about the sport. But if you know the most about the sport and know a bit about markets, you can also crush. It just goes both ways. But knowing more helps, it's just a total cope. 

01:36:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yes, Everyone's like no, because you get killed in the NFL. 

01:36:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I wish I didn't know anything about these teams. Yeah, I wish you didn't know anything, these teams yeah, I wish you didn't know anything but not really following the college basketball too closely. 

01:36:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like did CLV get killed? Because I don't really know what. 

01:36:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I couldn't tell you either. 

01:36:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But we all know, anecdotally you've done like full season spread pools or something and someone's wife wins who picks by colors, or Shelly in accounting wins. You know wins like the score March Madness pool. You're like what the hell? Like it's just closing line. Like if you want to bet NFL Sunday morning like I don't know someone who knows nothing is just as good of a chance. Yep, so anecdotally it all works. And then when Rob sent me the rundown yesterday, kirk, it was in the middle of um victor hovland closing out the valspar sure that might mean nothing to you, it does. 

01:37:06
Um, victor hovland had played five events this year. He had missed three straight cuts. I believe the only actual cut he made was an elevated event where it's like 50 of 70 make a cut okay. He got pushed to 80 to 1. There was all week in golf there was this huge thing about wind and the wave that the guys who are going out morning for morning, thursday afternoon, friday, etr was saying would have a one stroke advantage. Victor's in the wrong wave had it made a cut in a month, shot 80 at sawgrass the week before and he wins. Yeah. And and don't get me wrong, I had buddies who are hard into golf, who who hit it and congratulations to them. But I had a buddy yesterday's like I always ride your picks and I was just scrolling and I saw victor 80 to one I hit it and I'm like you're so lucky you don't know anything of what's gone on here now. 

01:37:58
That being said, for the other nine tournaments this year I could say well, the data actually walked you right into the winner, but, anecdotally, like, we all feel this in moments well, I for sure I think there's all sorts of different types of bettors too. 

01:38:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right. 

01:38:14
So for me, and I think for k, like we are model based, right, like we, we, we are modeling the sports that we're betting on and basically letting an algorithm come up with what we're going to bet. 

01:38:28
We are applying the logic for those sports, though, and that, like for me, my bread and butter is hockey and I feel very strongly that my hockey knowledge has assisted in developing better models. Like you know, if a star player is out for one team, you know the number one center and everybody else has to move up the lineup. Well, now, the second center, who's moving up to the first spot? You can't just use his like season-long data and data and be like well, he's going to play at this level and he's going to get more minutes because he's playing against tougher competition. He's going to be playing against another first line setter, stuff, like that. So, like, understanding the sport helps, where I think the chat, like, if I go back in the day when I was a losing better. I strongly believe that knowing the sports hurt me, because I used to watch so much of each sport that I felt like I was dialed in on these teams. Like this team sucks, I need to bet against them. 

01:39:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But it's not understanding that there's like that that's probably already priced into the nfl is like lives off, like your eyeballs, yes, and like the impact a prime time game has versus being on a slate. But how could someone successfully bet the nba like kirk and all the minutiae in the players and who's not playing in minutes without being fully in tuned into the league? Rob, you are so keen on nfl injury news. Yes, it is like, yeah, you know, it's not just following accounts, it's like deciphering, yes, the information and then maybe even going to sources Like it is a total game changer and an ability to profit. But I get it Like you get in these moments and you feel like your eyeballs lied to you and you had to cope on the internet. It's the same thing as Capper he needed to go to sleep at night, so he had to remind everyone that he's actually good at this. 

01:40:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well said, well, no, he got self-proclaimed. 

01:40:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Self-proclaimed he's good at this, agreed. 

01:40:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, I almost don't even want to do this next time. 

01:40:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
We got to do it, rob, so our friend at the network here does a ton of our football content here at the Hammerbag Network, part of the Forward Progress team, very sharp, better, maybe not the best golfer, but he's pretty good. 

01:40:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's getting better. 

01:40:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He's getting better but uh well, we'll see the scorecard in a moment. Sorry, man better than me, for sure, at golf anyways better than me too has this one up, december 7th 2021, about half an inch away from a hole in one, and then, quote, tweeted that, oh, the other day, with a hole-in-one saying, today was retribution, took a picture of the hole, took a picture of himself standing next to the hole with his hole-in-one and took a photo of the scorecard with the hole-in-one, accompanied by some bogeys, some parts. 

01:41:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You shot an 83. What? Are we doing here? There's not a stone, I'm going to throw, other than the quote tweet was unnecessary. Well, this is like why? Okay, oh sorry. 

01:41:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'll just finish here. I left in the full photo here because he hit a hole in one. But can't you know like post a photo properly? I always love putting these in Like you have the photo in your phone. And he took a screenshot of the photo in his phone. 

01:41:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Someone probably sent it to him and he was so excited to post. I guess he was so excited to post it. He was so excited to post. 

01:41:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jacob made the point that. So I love Hitman. Hitman is a great guy. He's a great friend. I know people are like all touts are bad. I actually think Hitman is one of the rare, rare ones that touts what I would call the right way. You can argue on that online, whatever you want to do. Congratulations on the hole-in-one. I fucking hated this in real time, not going to lie, because there's a sense of competition amongst golfers that you know we might not do this in our life and rather than being happy that a friend did it someone who loves golf I'm like fuck. 

01:42:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, it goes both ways, my real follow him. Sorry, the one last thing. The people that follow hitman were like oh my god, congratulations, hole in one. The people that are like friends with hitman went fuck, you could have happened to a worse person, it's bastard. 

01:42:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's like the diagram of how close are we. Is my ability to be happy for you. I, I love Hitman, know him via the internet. I've never met him in real life, so I could only be happy. A true friend, pest, you're like grinning through your. It's like someone just yeah, it's like it's a meme all over it, but no smiles. 

01:42:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The one noticeable thing for me was if we could just go back one slide here. Hit no smiles. The one noticeable thing for me was if we could just go back one slide here. Hitman has got to be the worst content creator on the face of the earth. Like you know, every time I've seen someone hit a hole in one before they know it went in off the tee, usually they like record themselves in the cart, like going up to the hole. 

01:43:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You're not even carting. 

01:43:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
People are recording you because you're running Picking the ball up, like carding people are recording you because you're. You're running picking the ball up, like this happened in turks and keikos. I think he said he was playing with three other randoms or whatever. But, dude, like, ask someone to record a video of you picking the ball out of the hole or whatever. It's just him standing like holding the flag, like a, like he's got the ball in his hand. I get it, but like the whole thing, it was just like I'm like the hole inin-one with randos. 

01:43:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's not no, listen I. I like to golf alone a lot, rob, oh same, my schedule actually just relative and I just like to get out there. But the biggest fear in life is like you just put that on the nose and you're like don't go in I, I, you know this is on the nose. Not that it's ever going in, but it's literally like the greatest. No, I guess I'm lucky enough to not have a real fear, but it's truly like a life fear to hit that hole in one like alone what about? 

01:44:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
what about the life fear of hitting out of bounds on a par three and then reteeing and having it go in to par yeah, it's not a home one, I know I did that last year. It's just really depressing. It's like I'll never. I actually will never. I will never ret on a par three again. I don't give a shit about the rules of golf. I'm going and dropping the ball wherever it went out of bounds but? 

01:44:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
but when you're playing with the randoms this is where I'm going to defend hitman. They're not like instinctively doing the leg work for you no, but, but, but they gotta be just as excited dude, they can't just watch a hole-in-one on a course they don't fucking know. 

01:44:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You, you're golfing with your buddies, I was in a foursome where another guy hit a hole-in-one before and he didn't know any of us in the foursome and we were fucking jacked for him. 

01:44:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's a really exciting thing to see and we just did the thing before where, like, the closer you are to someone you're less happy, but if you're actually there in person, the adrenaline of it makes you happy, like seeing it in real life. Or even if it's like this guy clipped me, getting it before me, you enjoy it, and if your buddy's doing it, like you break out your phone to catch him. It's not his job, yes, it's the job of, like, your friends. To now get to document the entire document you like maybe you're running, yep, you're doing something, so I kind of give him some grace in, like. It wasn't the perfect duck video or something, but this picture, just I just don't know. 

01:45:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It just makes me laugh. 

01:45:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's two things we've got. We haven't gotten to one of them yet and people are probably like have you not mentioned it? I don't know the retribution thing like it sucks. You missed by an inch four years ago. Yeah, but I don't. I would have never documented that. 

01:45:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, not that it's like, not that it's something to be embarrassed of. 

01:45:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But it also just shows that, like, not only do you play with the yellow ball, but you were were playing with the orange ball. Yeah the colored ball and you can see it's a Callaway, so it's probably a good. It's not like a garbage ball. 

01:46:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That could have been one you found in the woods. 

01:46:12 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
For sure, the only time I'm hitting a ball I've got a few yellows. I don't mind them, and sometimes you're spraying it, so you kind of like help me find you. Yeah, but the only time I'll resort to orange is when, like you're, pretty much the bag is bare and it's like I got this fucking orange one. 

01:46:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I have to disagree. I have terrible eyes, like when I hit it more than 50 yards. I just completely lose the ball and I have to tell my friends like you got to watch my tee shot. 

01:46:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm in the same boat as you. 

01:46:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So a highlighter ball would actually do me well. No, they're not easier to see, they're not easier to see In the fall they're harder Because you lose them in the leaves off the fairway. They're impossible in the fall. The soccer ball design ones that have a black and white. 

01:46:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't mind those. I credit credit to to hitman, who's clearly like a regular off-color ball guy like that is his, like the guys he golf with golfs with no hitman. 

01:47:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Doesn't play the white ball interesting credit though you're upset really, uh, I I will say my first reaction was not positive. It's envy. I'm over it now, definitely. But like my first react because, by the way, I got the alert. 

01:47:23
If you recall how this happened, me and Hitman used the same app to track our scores it's called the Grint. So I got the alert that he aced it. And now I've gotten many of those alerts before where people have fucked up and they actually just skipped ahead to the next hole and it looks like they they put a one in by accident. Then they went and corrected it, but I posted it in our forward progress group chat and that's when he was like yes, it actually did happen. And my first reaction was like fuck, I'm piece of shit, I'm just not gonna hear the end of this. I will not hear the end of this. He can always hold that above me, and we both love the sport pretty equally. 

01:47:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So I'm not gonna lie like I'm not jealous of the hole-in-one, I'm just jealous of him golfing period. 

01:48:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's true. It looked like a very nice illustration, as well. 

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01:49:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So we're introducing a new segment here. Rather than spend a long time on each individual person, week by week, we're going to have character assessments and update them. We have five creators for this edition of it the first edition of it and we're, of course, going to be starting with Sean Perry. Fresh off the Vegas fight drama Plus, he's kind of flipped on people really quickly. We had the tweet up here where he says I love you, book it With trent, excited to move on, looking forward to doing some of the best content the gamming space ever seen with you, and then 12 hours later he says trent is my new bitch in a shirtless video where he's yelling at trent. So he flipped very quickly. But what are the updated opinions on sean perry? 

01:50:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've never liked sean perry. I would say I would consider him to be one of the most unlikable humans, not just in the gambling Twitter space Like this shtick is so played out now of like befriending people and then turning on them. He's done this with so many people. At this point, he will literally do anything to drum up some attention and drive engagement. There's a lot of rumors out there. I can't I cannot confirm whether they're true or not, but there's a lot of rumors that he owes a lot of money to some poker players in the space. I feel like his best chance of paying that back would probably be to to run his service and just try to get as many people on as possible. I can't. 

01:50:55 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I personally can't stand the guy yeah, yeah, I agree with everything you said. The only reason I won't go too hard is I'm worried he's going through some sort of break. If that's the case, then I feel bad, but if it's not the case, truly you're the worst person I've ever seen on the internet. 

01:51:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I mean, he was a horrible person before this current mental break Truth, so I'm not going gonna give him leeway because he could be having a breakdown now. That being said, I do believe he is like going through some serious fucking shit. 

01:51:29
what it must be like between his ears, I know I don't want to know like it must be so goddamn loud and nonstop and, like you said, him trying to pick fights with people. I loved how Benson handled him, I believe last week. Yeah, with just like such a. I mean, it's crazy to respond to Sean with such a thoughtful and articulate response. Yeah, because probably doesn't comprehend it at these moments in time and figuring out the line of when he's just like having a Twitter blackout moment to people who are actually on his kill list, it's hard to decipher. 

01:52:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's just really weird. Listen, I don't listen to the spaces. When he jumps in at this point. He really just aggravates me. If this is, if his whole plan is like I want to be the most hated person and I'm going for this engagement. Takes a really special kind of person to want to be that. But like, if you look at the engagement on his tweets which, by the way, is not much for the amount like he's got a, he's got someone documenting his whole life. 

01:52:33
He got ratioed by benson, he's getting ratioed by everyone and most of the responses are people that are just hating on him. So I don't know he's leaning into this. I think it's lame. I honestly don't have much interest in talking about who he is as a person, because I struggle with that. 

01:52:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Next up we're going to go with Alex Monahan. He's a face of odds jam. For that reason he rubbed some people the wrong way, but he posted this video where he's with I think it's a neighbor's uh child, but it could just be a friend neighbor's kid and asked her to pick a three-leg parlay. Going through like random college teams asked her to pick one to build a parlay and a lot of people reacted very harshly to this video. 

01:53:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This reminds me of when Taylor Mathis got let go by Westgate because she went to school and was teaching kids how to fill out a bracket In the public response where listen, I don't have kids. It's a little bit more challenging for me. I think this is lame content, like really, really lame content. I also don't think it's as damaging as a lot of people think it is. Yeah, I just feel like it's cringe. 

01:53:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it's just boring and cringe. I will draw the line in the Mathis comparison not to pick on her, but that's a room full of other people's children and I get why the school or it only takes one or two annoying moms and then your shit's just blown up. This is like clearly the parent is right there engaged with this, so it's not just like you send your kids to school, you're like handing them off. 

01:54:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, right, it wasn't like waiting outside the school showing kids part. Showing kids part, yeah this is like the family friend. 

01:54:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But the school thing with taylor was like she had them fill up. Yeah, it's so. She never posted it. 

01:54:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, and way blown out of proportion. But I just mean, like I could see why, yeah, the school board in 2022 didn't like that yeah, but it's just boring cringe. 

01:54:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've never been a Monaghan guy personally. 

01:54:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's a lot more reasons you can not like Monaghan. 

01:54:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to get at Made this video. 

01:54:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's just cringy engagement farming, but this time of year it plays. It's like low-hanging fruit content. 

01:54:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Next one is Amanda Vance Posted a picture of the breakfast that she made for Elf. Just overall, any interest from the date story with Elf and I'm a big breakfast guy. So like what do you guys rate this breakfast here? The scrambled eggs, bacon and strawberry on a paper plate in her own house serving the guest on a paper plate? 

01:55:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know about the paper plate. But, like the breakfast, that's not the way I would cook my bacon. 

01:55:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But that's fine, like you got someone staying over, you could cook. 

01:55:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, I think amanda vance to me is like the perfect metaphor for gambling twitter. And when I say that it's like over-promising, under-delivering, like it's the whole shtick to me. I'm so done with it at this point. 

01:55:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Right, like just honestly, does Elf realize she needs him way more than he needs her? Well, like you said, every time she's on, the views go up If I was 24 years old and looking for the nookie like I could be simping. I could you know you could maybe get me in a cuck chair for Amanda Vance, but it doesn't play into those phases. 

01:56:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And I'm presuming under the influence of alcohol or drugs in some capacity, because a lot of times the words are being slurred but she's yelling so loud and I can't get out of there. 

01:56:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh, I had to. I treated to elf to put a leash on his girl. There was something fun was happening in the spaces and like she's just slurring, being born an elf like he. He won't you'll give her the time you'll give her you could go on everyone else to get a cold shoulder. So yeah, yeah, and i'm'm with Jacob. I'm sorry, the paper plate at home just sticks out to me like I can't get over it. 

01:56:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There were some pictures that circulated of Elf's socks, which were just black, while he was sitting on a bar stool in her house and he said that they were fresh socks he put on, so the floors were apparently very Elf's been on like a lot of vacations. 

01:56:58 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm not going to throw shade at her cleanliness because I feel like it's unwarranted. Yeah, I'd argue, the guy that was like plane hopping in Vegas probably hadn't cleaned his fucking socks. Yeah, before I'm going to rail there's a lot of things much like Monaghan could railroad Vance for the floors that's not where I'm going. 

01:57:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Listen again. I just find her extremely, extremely annoying. It's like her voice to me is like nails on a chalkboard. Now, when I hear it, and the amount of times I'll be listening to a space or even participating, and then she just jumps in with a random comment that steers the conversation. 

01:57:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
She's got an issue. It's brutal. I've said this before about other people. I've now heard her enough where it applies to her. 

01:57:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:57:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's brutal. She assumes that we need to respect her like she's running a successful company or like that I need to show respect to some like girl boss who's, like you know, works for some ad agency with like a team of 12 people under her. Like no. 

01:58:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know I'm with you. 

01:58:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't need to show you that level of fucking respect. Agreed, and it's not presumed, because it's not like people earn it in this space, I'll give it. 

01:58:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, you don't earn respect by creating an influencer event where you you go to a hockey game in florida with elf and promise to do a twitter spaces afterwards with him and then fall asleep on on your bed and like not do it again. Yeah, how many times is this girl promise? This is the second time now yeah that anyways, I'm I'm actually so done with the whole amanda van stuff. 

01:58:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm really but that's, it's a joke I made earlier. It's like there's the show that I'm hoping elf will give us. There's the show he is giving us and some of it I can put up with, and he can hit the home runs like the fight, which give him a lot of equity. Yeah, uh, gives him a lot of equity, but that van shit. It's like I don't want to watch tv with my wife. Yeah, we're not watching the same fucking shows, all right next we'll go to matt zilbert again. 

01:59:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Uh, one of his most recent videos giving out a pic. 

01:59:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He lit up a cigarette, mid-sentence almost. 

01:59:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But overall Matt Zilbert, known for trying to stir up shit in people's comments, infamously replied to one of Eric Eager, who works in the front office of the Carolina Panthers now, and replied under one of his tweets recently saying what's your record this year? Calling him a fraud, essentially, even though he's not betting and works in the NFL, but just known in this space for stirring up shit unnecessarily. But the question now is has his image turned around for you guys? 

01:59:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, for for me with him on me. 

01:59:55
He gets more hate, I feel, than anyone in the space, by the way I understand it. Yeah, I used to hate Matt Zilbert. I just found him so annoying and certainly my opinion has changed now that he doesn't ask me every day for my verified record, documented record. He himself doesn't have one either. I'm completely in zilbert's corner now at this point. I find him very entertaining these promo videos he's doing for his deadspin articles where he's hyping it up and then he's he lights up the cigarette. I don't know why. I cannot explain why. I find this funny. I just find it so funny that he has this way to agitate so many different people and, honestly, when you just get to the root of what he's saying, he just wants to, like, clean up the space. 

02:00:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't know, I don't know if I'm with you here. I guess he's like a dude You're going to wake up like Oppenheimer, wondering what you've created. 

02:00:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He's walking on the beach trying to pick some plastics up. He's yelling at people. 

02:01:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But he's also dropping the plastics a mile down the road. 

02:01:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yo plastics are falling out of his bag. 

02:01:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's cleaning them up. I don't know what it is, man. I've come full circle on Matt Zilbert. I find him fucking hilarious. I think it's so funny the way that he can just agitate everyone. I don't know. 

02:01:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, like I don't know, I still have him muted, so like I just haven't really seen this change, I just know he still replies to my tweets because I see muted tweet as reply. 

02:01:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Last one we're going to go through here is, of course, grp wins. George Riley Panagakis I don't know if he needs an introduction because we talk about him so much, but one of his recent tweets said I just bet $500 on the Seeders app LA Clippers at 40-1 to win the Western Conference. And then afterwards same tweet Brackets. I just realized you know what he was probably doing. He was probably typing this and went wait. I just realized he actually realized as he was typing it I hope this is including the playoffs, not just the regular season question mark he's betting $500. What did we establish? His bankroll? Sorry, not his bankroll. 

02:02:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Net worth. 

02:02:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Net worth was $50,000. Something like that so $500 is a significant chunk for him to be betting in this scenario and he doesn't even know what he's betting on. Doesn't know the terms. Jeff, you had a good reply saying if I'm going to be spending a hundred dollars per pick, I you better be on your game and not like this. 

02:02:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If I'm paying western union fees this summer, yeah, or this football season. We can't have this. George is a goddamn king I don't. 

02:02:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't, is it? Is it george stick played out? No, like it. Yeah, not a chance. I assume you would say it's not played out. Yes. 

02:02:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Buddy draft season's coming. Future season's coming. 

02:02:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Comeback player of the year market Without fail if we talk about him on this show and we clip it. 

02:02:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
he will quote, tweet it every single time. He quote, tweets the release of this show every week, saying it's like must watch, it's really hard for me. What does he charge? 

02:02:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Do it's really hard for me to charge. 

02:02:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Do you know Rob? 

02:02:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
$100 in Western Union. Rob, I swear to you. Where does he live in Ohio? Is it near Canton? 

02:03:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He lives in Illinois. Why do you think he? 

02:03:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
lives in Illinois Rivers, illinois. That makes sense. The same way you say Amanda Vance comes on Elf Spaces and there's like an army of simps that run in there. Yeah, that's me. When George is on. Yeah, okay, listen, he does. I cannot goddamn resist. And the trick is he's so goddamn authentic. I was going to say he's so goddamn horny. 

02:03:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what makes me laugh all the time. He's got the biggest horn dog tweets around. I sent him a message. 

02:03:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Kai's mom is dating Tiger. 

02:03:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Oh, I saw that. 

02:03:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Tiger putting out a tweet saying he's dating Don Jr's ex. Asking us to respect privacy is all-time hilarious, but you know, because he likes McEnany's sister. Yeah, so I'm like george, that's kai's mom, um, but I know the bit doesn't get old. I think it. It replenishes itself. The same way. Zybert lighting zilbert lighting up that cigarette just pulls me in. Every time, george letting me know freshly showered, no gel hair looks great. It doesn't matter how much the previous tweets annoyed me, it pulls me right back in again. Honestly, he's like a one of one and it is his authenticity. 

02:04:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

02:04:34 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
People, the other people we've spoken about today, 99% of them phony as fuck. Yes, I agree. What makes George incredible? You might think he's an idiot. You might think he's crazy. You might think he's a loser who lives at home with his mom, who thinks the sportsbooks respect his NFL size. But he is authentic, yes, and you cannot top that. 

02:05:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And I will say it's the same reason that I feel the way I do about Zilbert as well. I don't think it's an act, I think it's an authentic Authenticity. Plays so fucking hard Agreed. Uh, chopping block this week, uh, which is stuff that didn't make it into the show because we can't really turn it into a long segment, but we'll talk about it briefly. By the way, zilber told me we should be looking for a knife sponsor for Chopping Block. He actually tweeted that he's thinking about. The gears are running in his head. What do we got Jacob for? 

02:05:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Chopping Block. We got to motor through these because we've been running a little bit long, but it opens up. Rob, you were Leafs game after Jason supposedly said he was too sick to do any content. And while you're watching the Leafs game, who pops up on screen but takes by Jay? 

02:05:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say this is fabricated. 

02:05:48 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I was going to say because those seats, you know, there's like a camera guy right in the well there beside him. He almost looks like he's been a kid who knows he's caught right here, he's not enjoying the goal. 

02:06:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was watching this game live and I did see this happen live and I did like a what the fuck Did? I just see Jason and then I was getting all these messages at once, pictures and whatever I'm like it was. So I rewound and took this, but just to clear his name, he didn't tell me he was going to the game, but I didn't ask him to do a March Madness show or anything. I was just trying to throw him under the bus a little bit. By the way, respect to our producers here as well. Takes by Jay Jacob Grimenia. Jacob, drop your Twitter handles in the description below. Go follow these guys as well. They do a really good job. 

02:06:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Jason's been the nicest thing I've ever heard you say about Jason. 

02:06:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, I've reamed him out several times over the years. 

02:06:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Gotta be nice to the guy. He's got good hockey seats. There you go. 

02:06:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I was gonna say I knew this was fake right away, because if I was at the Leafs game and Rob wanted to do content, I'd just say I'm going to the Leafs game, so I can't. 

02:06:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
First and foremost, just why this lie is truly believable. Jason would lie to me about that. Okay, he would not Fair enough. And second of all, he would not. He'd tell you he's sick. This is like a classic George Costanza moment, right when you'd get caught. Yes, he would tell me he's sick, and then not even think about it and he would be on screen oh, 100%. So that's why I think it was so believable for people. 

02:07:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
If I had clearly good Leafs tickets, I'd say to your face, rob, I can't work because I'm going to the Leafs game. Yeah, it's simple. Next one was Flup. It was Chris Dierkis who posted the settlement of his bet with NBA Green Beans, where Chris had Will Bronny James score 50 plus points in the 2025 regular season. He had the yes, bronny had a 17 point game last week, ended up cashing for Chris and it brought this great moment where two prominent gambling Twitter users going at each other on a bet and produces this. 

02:07:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We need to see more of this. That's actually one of the nice things about exchanges is that you can bet with someone else and by process I mean people say it out loud, they post their tickets, you can figure out you're on the opposite side of someone. I love that. It's been great for the spaces. 

02:08:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yes, I've never played on an exchange before, but I love it. I like the concept of it exchange before, but I love it. 

02:08:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I like the concept of it. Um, I think it's great. I I will say what I love about this is I actually really like fluff uh, a lot. We've interviewed him on circles off here on this channel before. He's a really nice guy. The spaces for one month was brett reminding him of how bad that bet was wait. 

02:08:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So the week got worse for Brett, oh yeah. 

02:08:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But he has made it known on every single space that Bronny is not getting there. It's free money, this and that. 

02:08:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Has he given an official statement? 

02:08:51 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
since then he acknowledged that he got that bet. There's nothing else you can do. It's true, he loves it you get caught it is what it is Exactly. 

02:08:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But yeah, people, that's as good as a fight to me. Yeah, but not actually. 

02:09:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Next one we brought up is Scotty Scheffler's selection for the Masters meal. Jeff, maybe you could clear this up, but the winner of the previous Masters picks the full menu for a dinner for all the previous champions for the next year. Simple, is that correct? Yeah, so, uh, list of the items here uh, for appetizer, cheeseburger, sliders, firecrackers, shrimp uh, and then meatball it was his ravioli bites. First course, texas style chili, main course, uh, either uh, wood, wood, fried cowboy ribeye or blackened redfish, and then, to finish it off, a warm chocolate chip skillet cookie. Yeah, it's a. It's a banger of a menu yeah, great menu anytime you like. 

02:09:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The appetizers are borderline children's menu and there's a cookie. I don't even care what your main course is, I will gorge, let alone the main course seems I may not make it to the main course fantastic I will say I'm not. 

02:09:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I love this menu, would eat it anytime. I'm not super keen on like the texas style chili being the first course, but what I like about scheffler's choice, you gotta, when you're doing something like this, you gotta know your crowd and know your audience and like no dis, I love spanish food. Don't get me wrong. John rom, when he had his menu, was just like. He was like really pulling the Spanish culture. 

02:10:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's part of it, I get it, but like Like he's probably under a lot of pressure. 

02:10:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, one of them was like a fish soup, because his mother made like a fish soup. I'm just saying, yeah, it's like it was a tortilla. Tortilla, yeah, okay. 

02:10:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Whatever that? 

02:10:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Spanish. 

02:10:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, okay, I'm just saying it's like when you win and you're not American. I feel like there's a lot of pressure for you to represent your home country. 

02:10:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like, obviously Hideki did a lot of Japanese. Yeah, he did Wagyu steak, which the players, I think. Scotty Sheffer said that's like the best steak I've ever had. Well, of course it's Wagyu no disrespect to like American chefs but this is the best steak I've ever had. Well, of course it's Wagyu no disrespect to like American chef, but this is the best steak I've ever had, so All right fair enough, I think you've made some good points. 

02:11:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I just remember looking at the John Rahm menu I'd be like I do think the room would be displeased with me because it would feature like a lot of your favorite children's for Jeff. 

02:11:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, I was going to ask what's your main course on your master's? 

02:11:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, something like that. You do a really high-end steak option, a high-end fish option? 

02:11:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, and the children's menu. 

02:11:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Apps like this is gold to me. I'd have switched up the chili, but there's enough food. I just would push it over. 

02:11:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would do a flight of bourbons as well, though, during the meal. 

02:11:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But is that? 

02:11:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know, they probably wouldn't list that on this I think it would be like part of my dinner, though would be a prerequisite that we're doing a flight of bourbons for each person and, like golf, twitter goes nuts for the picture. 

02:11:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah. 

02:11:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The champions picture yeah. 

02:11:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I'm never going to win the Masters, so I'm not going to make my own menu. I I'll tell you that. 

02:11:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So the next one is iGhostArb. We're running on. I don't want to take too long, but it says I know the L spaces are a thing right now, but I want to run back a real estate Q&A live one night Since I bought. We'll be closing on six properties in the last hundred days or so, so wants to bring in real estate spaces to the Twitter space. 

02:12:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
We're not a fan. Where have we gone as a society? People aren't a fan because it would be stupid and it wouldn't work, right. Yeah, I'll just tell you how it would work. If you can pull an elf and find an agent who stole another agent's listing and they want to get into a boxing ring and they want to yell at each other on spaces, that's compelling. Maybe that's the move people to just talk about the ups and downs of the condo market. 

02:12:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No one yeah, I mean I've been part of crypto twitter before. I've been in some spaces for crypto. It's especially when people are like pushing their ideas on the masses. It's a very dangerous like. Sports betting is one thing. 

02:12:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Don't get me wrong. 

02:12:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sports betting is addictive. People can lose. 

02:13:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Real estate is cold-blooded. 

02:13:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's very cold-blooded. 

02:13:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's no friends. You stab your teammates In the back. I've walked in on my wife watching shows Like Property Brothers. Well, I said, I walked in on my wife. I left that open-ended like property brothers. 

02:13:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I said, I walked in on my wife, I left that open-ended. 

02:13:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but yes watching these stupid shows and it's like fucking cut, cutthroat. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, so I'm sure there's great stories and beefs and people want to fight it out. I think that guy was actually like wanted to give advice. Oh no, fuck that yeah, but like the cat fight card you could get of like real estate agent girls who fucking hate she other, she stole this one sale and then she slept with his fucking guy. 

02:13:41
Oh my god, it'd be incredible, so maybe it would work, yeah but not in the context that he thinks is info service, not for info sharing, yes, yes. 

02:13:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Last one. Roiguy123 tweeted about DraftKings Sportsbook introducing a new feature where it automatically suggests a parlay based on your selections, but people described it as a total pain because you can accidentally click on it. But what do you think about sportsbooks pushing stuff to really pushing SGPs and pushing you to bet additional things? 

02:14:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I get it. I hate this stuff. So, by the way, I don't have any DK accounts right now, so I have not seen this and I've not accidentally clicked on it, which, by the way, would be super fucking annoying if you're constantly. I just hate the idea of sportsbooks pushing features that just benefit their hold rather than don't make the product better at all. Exactly, I don't know what the. Are there people out there where this is a real appetite for them? They go in and put in their own bets and it's like, by the way, you can parlay, do those? 

02:14:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
people exist. 

02:14:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know. 

02:14:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Netflix recommends this is so dumb. 

02:14:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It is ridiculous, but I'd say if DraftKings wanted to curate to me and just make my homepage every time. 

02:15:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I logged in recent the current Ludwig Eberg. 

02:15:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Outright odd to win that week. I would actually appreciate it, but that's very different. 

02:15:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's a great product feature Like each when me, kirk and you log in on in this example, draftkings. We should not get the same homepage each one of us. 

02:15:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's true, we should get a homepage tailored to our betting habits. We're not really there yet, but it shouldn't be like this. 

02:15:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No this sucks. Dude, this sucks. 

02:15:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is horrible, but what you're saying is true. Yes, agreed, dude. I log into sites during the day and they're serving up live soccer. I've never made a live Swedish soccer bet in my life. What the fuck is this? You know where I'm going to navigate to. Just let me get there quicker. That's a great product feature. This is not. This is great if you want to try to generate some more hold. It's just a nuisance and annoying that's what I hate about that. And predatory yes, in a way as well. 

02:15:53
Alright, I signaled a big announcement for this week. Things are changing a little bit on circles off here, so I listened to a lot of feedback and sometimes it might you might think it goes unnoticed. It doesn't. We evaluate everything we're doing. So this week is the first week where we're going to be on a new schedule. This is our Tuesday show circle back. That's not changing. Same group Circle Back occasionally Takes by Jay will be here in studio with us as well. We're moving our Circles Off regular interviews just earlier in the day. So instead of coming out Thursdays at 4 pm Eastern, they're coming out at 8 am Eastern. That way you have a chance to listen to it in the morning on the way to work, things of that nature released in video and audio as well. 

02:16:37
But finally, we are launching a second weekly edition of Circle Back, which will come out Friday mornings, 8 am Eastern time. So we'll have two Circle Backs a week. They'll be a little bit shorter. You're not always going to get a two-hour episode from us on the Tuesday edition, but the Friday edition will feature Jacob as our host, joined by Uncle K. Joey Knish, who appeared in studio here a few weeks ago, got some very positive feedback. Chris Dierkus, flup at Flup no Lied on Twitter, who we featured in the show very prominently before. And third Jeff Nadu as well. So Friday edition, 8 am Eastern time. Make sure you turn on your notifications here. 

02:17:20
Brand new cast and we're just going to play off it back and forth each week. We want to give you more different takes. We want to be able to talk about things as they happen rather than waiting a full week as well. So two circlebacks a week, our regular Circles Off coming out on Thursday mornings, and that's going to do it and hopefully you tune in for that. Make sure you're subbed here on Circles Off. Make sure you smash that. Thumbs up. Let us know you like the content and, of course, leave us comments down below. We do have the swag giveaway as well. Make sure you're subbed and you subscribe to Kirk's Hammer as well, which you can do down in the description below. We'll catch you later on here on Cir.