The Most Hated Man In Poker.. | Presented by Kalshi

00:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
coming up on today's episode of circle back I would have soaked his phone, his belongings, his knapsack. Whatever he came with would have been drenched remind me not to get on your bad side. 

00:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You do not, I don't think people realize how much this does affect us, though, because if joy kanish has to move to our country, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do I will never feel what you guys want me to feel ever. 

00:25 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Despicable Good. More games. For me, journalism in the sports betting space is pretty, pretty cooked. There is not a single rational better in the world that's going to be like. This person knows what they're doing, so that's what I mean. Guy said he was going to throw him in the fucking creek. He did, he did. It's amazing, it's so good. He did, he did. It's amazing, it's so good. 

00:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
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01:59
We are here with most of the Normal Tuesday crew. I am your host, jacob Grumman, your lead producer here at the Hammer and your host, as always, on Circle Back. We've got CEO of the Hammer professional sports better, rob Pozzola here taking Kirk Evans' spot, for today is takes by Jay producer here at the Hammer Does a lot of work with our NFL content over at Forward Progress. And we also have the ever-present Jeff Feinberg joining us today, part of Mayo Media Network Avid golf, better Chargers, superfan. The list goes on, but how's everyone feeling? It's been a hot one this weekend, but how's everyone doing it's good. 

02:35 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I like watching Jeff's reaction to his intro every week. I don't know why you smile every time he says Chargers superfan. 

02:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You're a Chargers superfan. Call time he says charger super fan, you're a charger super fan. 

02:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Call it out for what it is. What do you want your intro to be? I don't know, it's fine. It always catches me off guard, but it's fine, I'd be. I should be prepared by now all right. 

02:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, we can jump into the show because we want to get going here with the first topic. It's on the rundown as the poker ban and there is a ban that has been brought down in the poker space on William Kasuf. Pokerorg at Pokerorg posted a video of the moment William Kasuf found out he was being banned from the from 2025 World Series of Poker events. He was banned from playing at any event for the rest of the year and over the course of being told that he was banned from events for the rest of the year, he asked but why, why, what have I done? Well, let's go through what William Kasuf has done to warrant this ban. When he got eliminated from one of the events, rex showcased this video here at Rexwell14. It says unreal ending to William Kasuf's run. He erupts on the table after getting eliminated as play continues. Can't say the main event is more interesting without him for better, or and it's just an absolute explosion. He was getting in people's faces. He was yelling Again. This is as the game was still going on and then he was yelling. 

03:57
Somebody posted a video here. Tight poker. Will Kasuv claims unfair treatment. In main event, he's yelling from across the room at other people about supposedly being treated unfairly in the events. There was this one here where he was complaining about being on a 10 second shot clock, which was only instituted against him because he was taking way too long for his hands and taking too long for his turns. Like they don't just I mean look already getting into video, but they don't just put this 10 second shot clock on anybody, so he only had 10 seconds to make decisions. This led to him losing a hand which he was upset about. It was a massive pot that he lost on as a result. 

04:35
There's some polarizing sort of opinions on this, but we have two opinions who say that this shouldn't have happened. Here we have china maniac sharp, better avid uh, gambling avid on gambling twitter says I don't watch the live poker streams because they are a bore fest. Kasuf is someone I might tune in for. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Live poker is a mental warfare. What the world series of poker did to this guy on all fronts is embarrassing. Man of the big, known on gambling twitter for always having really good takes on stuff like this, says pretty egregious treatment of of kasu by the world series of poker here. In my opinion and I'm not a huge fan by any means all right long intro, but what do we think on the band here? 

05:16 - Jason Cooper (Host)
um, we'll get started with you, rob yeah, so this is a very polarizing topic. We're obviously not poker experts here. I did play poker for a living in my early 20s, but I don't keep up with the game as much anymore. I have watched a lot of the WSOP this year on PokerGo. I saw Doug Polk post a tweet yesterday which was that he was going to do a video on this and he wanted people's opinions on it, and I went through, like so many of them. 

05:40
It's very close to a 50-50 split of people who think Kasuf was treated unfairly versus fairly William Kasuf. The first time I ever had any experience with him, or like watched him play, was a world series of poker several years ago. I remember he was in a hand with what I presume to be a Canadian guy because he was wearing a Blue Jays cap but ended up being aces versus kings in a showdown and Kasuf was was really really grinding this guy while he's trying to make a decision. At which point this guy just snapped on him and said you're bullying me, stop doing this, you're a bully. The rest of the table would agree and Kasuf said this is part of my game Speech play. What I'm doing is speech play. This is how I gain information. This is how I get into people's heads, and I think that speech play is part of poker. But there's also a line that you just can't cross. To me, when I watch William Kasuf try to get into it with other guys, it comes across as being very uncomfortable, and if I was sitting at the table there, you kind of have to allow it because it's poker. But if it happens too much, I would develop a disdain for this person to the point where, yes, if this person is starting to take a long time to make decisions, I am going to call a clock on them. I may call a pit boss over if this person is making fun of me in any way or whatever. You know making fun of me in any way or whatever. The fact that so many collective people are calling violations on him just goes to show how much disdain there is for him in the community. 

07:13
Now to me with this particular incident, you know a lot of people are like ah, you know it's unfair the treatment he's getting, penalties that no one gets like. He had to fold a king jack when the board was ace queenQueen-Ten. Basically it was like second nuts by the river because he had a 10-second shot clock on him for every decision, which, by the way, is kind of insane in poker 10 seconds to make any decision. But it escalated. It's not like this was initially imposed on him. It's like dealing with a child. Right, you put the child in the corner in timeout. You're like, okay, you're gonna sit there for five minutes, you're gonna think about your actions. They come back out and they don't learn their lesson. It's like, guess what? Now? The playstation is going away for a week. You want to push my limits even even more. It's gonna be a month. You're not gonna be able to see your friends, and that's. That's basically how we got to this point. 

08:02
So I don't see how people can complain about the decisions. He was given every possible avenue to change his behavior and he didn't change his behavior. So at the end of the tournament, being like why, why is this happening? To me, this is unfair. It's egregious for him to even say that it's a double-edged sword. I think the World Series of Poker could have probably approached this in a better way. You could see the pit bosses were like the tournament directors are frustrated with him and sometimes the frustration gets the worst of you, but I don't have any issues with them banning him. He comes across like a complete asshole. It's attention-seeking behavior and there's got to be repercussions for actions in society. 

08:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
What is he entitled to? Because he still has chips, like there's still? I can't like, can I be, like clipping my toenails and just like tossing them on the table, like I'm just saying, yeah, what is he? Just because you have chips and you've bought in and you haven't been eliminated, what does that entitle you to your? 

09:04 - Jason Cooper (Host)
chair Right, but what he's arguing? The only difference between your example which, by the way, is the thought in my head now. I can't get that out. 

09:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't want to see. No, but I'm just curious because this is like the people glad-handing him. It just makes me think like the poker community is inbreds, like I am so turned off by this. Yeah, uh, and you might say like poker isn't like normal civilized society, right, but this is still a private event. Yes, it is open to the public, but an organization runs it and they can do whatever the fuck they want that they deem is in the best interest of this event and the amount of grace that you are given. Obviously, speech is part of it. You can have an incident at the poker table. I've seen poker like famous poker superstars like go on tangents and berate people. Oh yeah, for five, ten minutes at a time. There is so much equity to get something out of your system. You can't do this. You cannot. You could pay ten thousand dollars for a courtside seat. They could tell you to get fucking lost, pal. They tried to do it, trent, I'm just saying like you know, they'll give you a line. 

10:13
You cross the line. The rules aren't yours anymore. You can, you know you could be buying the nicest stuff at a restaurant, the most expensive dish, the most expensive bottle. At a certain point you can cross their line and they're like sorry, sir, it is time to go. Yes, the 10 seconds good for the wsop. I am so proud of the wsop. The only people I'm a little upset about are the people who are glad handing this nonsense and I get like people at the table had to be in their own game. Oh, oh, my God. This guy would be getting scolding hot coffee on his lap If I was beside him accidentally. 

10:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'd like stand up for a hand to be interested. 

10:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Sorry, sorry, oops. And then the second he changed the person on the other side. It would be like a non stop parade, yeah, until a bottle of piss got dumped on his head. 

11:08 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's a little extreme. Yeah, that's a lot Thank. 

11:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
God, I have so much more respect for the World Series of Poker for doing this. The 10 seconds get him the fuck out of here. He is no longer entitled to be participating in our championship in this way. Yeah, yeah and these poker hardos glad handing them at a 50 clip is a is so fucking pathetic shame on all of them. 

11:34 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I think, listen, I, I think I'll let you in here in a second jay with speech play and poker. I'm fine with speech play, like if someone wants to talk to you to obtain information from you, I'm totally okay with that. But this guy pushes the boundaries so much on not only that, but like tanking in hands right, like very clearly, cards that he is going to fold in the hand, yet he takes minutes upon minutes to do so. Like that's just stalling. 

12:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
In terms of service he could. They can do whatever they want, I assume done later later. Later, save jacob a little bleeping. 

12:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Let's get your thoughts, jason no, I, I pretty much align with both you guys. I mean like it's. It also seems like it comes with the territory when you want to play a game like this and be like aggressive and rude towards other people, because I saw a clip of him saying I never, I never said anything wrong or was rude to other people. Meanwhile there was like five minutes before he was like swearing at people. It's like it comes with the territory. 

12:35 - Jason Cooper (Host)
So if you're not willing to accept these penalties, don't play this style when you piss off the entire table and staff, then it's, then it's not strategy anymore. Of course, over time there's obviously been Phil Hellmuth. Phil Hellmuth will have big time blowups that sometimes span a really long period of time, but he's not tanking on every hand, he's not talking to people on every single hand. You think of people over the years that I grew up. Tony G would have been a great example of someone who would needle other people at the table. And years that I grew up, tony g would have been a great example of someone who would needle other people at the table and listen. 

13:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That could come across in poor faith as well, but this is just like a different level, like we're at an extreme. I saw some of those vision hardos, yeah, being like they used them poker god, they use them. They use them when they want them, when they don't want it. They don't for your fucking, of course. They use them. They're allowed to use him. Yeah, look like it's funny to a certain point. Then we're just fucking done. Yeah, and they get to do that. They get to do that. I have no problem with them using him, even thinking like people are enjoying this, and then at some point getting cut off immediately because he knows exactly what he's doing. And to jake jason's point, he played the game like he knew he was entering a gray area. They're allowed to call that gray area, however, they want. 

13:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If anything, it's on him for not playing it well enough, like he obviously is crossing the line. You have to, like you have. If you're gonna do this, be tight enough where you're not crossing the line and not pissing so many people off that you get a shot. Clock call. Come back from your penalties, act normal for four minutes. Go back and do it exactly. 

14:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He could have been so much better at this strategy. Pick your spot instead, he did this, and shame on, shame on anyone who did not like. Oh my god, be phony dumping something on this guy. I would have soaked his phone, his, his belongings, his knapsack, whatever he came with, would have been drenched, remind me not to get on your bad side? You do not, because also people think revenge is good hot, it's actually best cold, best served cold Ice. 

14:39 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Cold Revenge is a dish Best served cold Ice cold. 

14:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And look at me, look at me, I'm an elephant. I don't forget either. 

14:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So you don't want it Just ask that girl, when you were like 13, who you spilt the. 

14:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh yeah. 

14:51 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Oh you know about that? Yeah, you said that before. 

14:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's a good memory. 

14:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm an elephant as well. What? Was that story, by the way. A on some, not me, not me not me, not me. He coordinated an attack I I we don't have to get into it now, sorry, let's just say I um used my. 

15:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I was a counselor at a summer camp. I used my campers as soldiers and you know if someone's someone's friday whites best got like a grape juice bath, like they accidentally tripped. 

15:26 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah. 

15:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Shit happened. Good memory, jason, that's really good. 

15:30 - Jason Cooper (Host)
If you're going to treat a poker tournament like it's your own fucking personal open mic night, you can't complain when they boo you off the stage. I'm sorry, like at the end of the day you should be banned for life. But I've seen so, I've gone through so many of these comments. Right, because banned for life. But I see, I've seen so, I've gone through so many of these comments. Right, because I saw daniel negron who responded to some people and I think he was opposed to the antics. And some people are like, well, this is bullying. Right, it's like bullying the kid in school who's smaller than everyone else, or autistic kid or whatever, because they're different. It's like, no, that's not it. Like there's, there are rules in place you push the limits of those rules. 

16:02
you get warned and you keep pushing them, the consequences they get worse and worse and I respect people like poker people, the hardos. 

16:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I've made fun of them for like I'm a loser, I'm an idiot, I have no business. My opinion on the poker life cycle means nothing, like it's not my community. Be like someone you know speaking about something going on Like it has nothing to do with me. These are just my opinions. But a room of pussies Like even in fucking golf you saw it on the internet a week ago you fuck around. You can bully my dad and his 80-year-old friends on the tee box. He calls it nice places. None of that shit's going to happen but eventually you're gonna find out. 

16:44 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You're gonna find the old enforcer from the NHL? 

16:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, there's no ex-NHL enforcer at the table. Like even in golf, in the pussy-ass us golfers, it gets handled Poker Losers, rob, had you like that? I? 

17:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
like that. 

17:01 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Unbelievable. 

17:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You're done right. Rob had likened, uh, the poker scene and what willie was doing, to be an open mic night. Well, twitter is pretty much an open mic and you choose who you're going to listen to and whose content you're actually going to see. But maybe some content that some people didn't quite sign up for when following was perhaps this one from Jeff Nadu. Unfortunately, our friend from the previous iterations of the Friday show no longer does content with us, but has done content with us previously. This is a double Nadu segment. 

17:37
If you didn't know, by the way, it was Nadu's birthday recently. If you follow him, you would have known, because he posted about it a lot. There was six posts in total that talked about his birthday. These are out of order, but the first one I have here is the. Anyone local to lancaster, pennsylvania, that wants to come to celebrate my birthday this weekend, dm me, we're gonna turn up shots on me. 

18:01
It didn't stop there, though. He posted a photo of his new license, which, as rishi bets points out, was a very creative way of showcasing that it was his birthday. He said OK, michael Scott, thanks for telling us it's your birthday. That was from Rishi Betts. Then he posted a photo of his haircut. Nothing better than a birthday weekend, fresh cut. He posted big night tonight, come time to celebrate Lancaster, popping off, referencing the party he was throwing. Uh, crazy night celebrating great birthday weekend. Though, to sum it all up, and in the middle of it all, he said this, which is directed at people like me right now it's my birthday weekend. You only live once. You tired of seeing it. Unfollow or block me, get fucked uh, you know this jeff probably got the same opinion as me. 

18:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Go ahead, jeff sorry, jeff, I don't have a problem with it and I forbid to unfollow or block you because I love you. I am nay do crew, but it is hyper cringe for a grown man to be simping his own birthday. That's just the rules of life. Like I'm not saying you can't celebrate your birthday, but grown man simping his own birthday. I even get a little bit annoyed when grown man organizes his own birthday party if someone else wants to, like friends or family want to, but oh nothing. 

19:29
Nothing is worse than like your 42 year old buddy being like hey, I'm throw like um. Sending you the third message text like are you coming to the bar? It's my birthday, oh my God. 

19:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I feel personally attacked because it's my birthday soon and I'm doing that, you're 24. I'm 28. 

19:50 - Jason Cooper (Host)
23. Okay, it's a little bit different at your age? Yeah, okay, Well actually go back to Nadeau's photo. 

19:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Nadeau's young in his life, he's like 34, 35. 

20:00 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Date of birth 89. So he's three years younger than me. Yeah, date of birth 89. So he's three years younger than me. 

20:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, he's 34, I think, no, it's more than that. At some point shouldn't there be someone else in the official Nadeau crew 36. 

20:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Being like we're throwing down, so yeah okay, I think it's fine to throw your own party. 

20:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I think that's fine. 

20:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Because who else? Is somebody else going to do it? 

20:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
for me. I'm not going to tell my friend, hey, can you organize this for me, Like no, I'll just do it myself. 

20:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
But I think the open invite to Twitter was a little strange. Whoever wants to show up can show up. I thought that was strange and just the amount of posts it reminded me of. You know, like a girl in high school with like Instagram stories who everyone had to know, but I don't know like mine just happened and if you don't know me personally, you probably would have had no idea like it was just yeah, did anyone show up? 

20:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I look, I saw mike vivian was saying he was going to show up and then he got blocked I'll be honest I'm going on an excursion soon for for the network and um. 

21:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
All I can hope for is it's like a smashing success, so I can, in turn, go to rob and be like rob. These are some big events within our ecosystem. I think I should attend maybe a lot of the same vibe as what we just did. Yeah, nadoo's birthday party. Yeah, would be near the top of the list. I am a I'm a Nadeau super fan. 

21:27 - Jason Cooper (Host)
What does that list look like? Like what? What are the events? 

21:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Well, nadeau's birthday is you know, Zilbert's trial would have been something like we emergency. 

21:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, boxing yeah. We did a library verse Right in the bathroom. 

21:42 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, I got it. I have versus find in the bathroom. 

21:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I got it. I I have a very contrarian take here, by the way, what I? I'm not bothered by this one, I don't think that's contrarian at all. 

21:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think that's. I'm not like. I would never. He wrote like if you're bothered by it, block me. Yeah, I find it fascinating. 

21:58 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I find it funny. Yeah, it is really what it is, I, I so with each tweet. 

22:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I like enjoyed it more. I thought it was a bit strange, but I definitely my tone. I care about so little, so sometimes when I get excited you can think that like I care so much more than I do, but really I'm just interested yeah and I I love to do. This topic fascinated me. I'll be honest, I will. That says more about me. 

22:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Maybe I'm not I'm. I'm personally never going to be tweeting about my own birthday and like people show up at my house and whatever. Like that's not me, but I don't have a problem with him doing it. In fact, I kind of enjoyed the discourse of like certain people giving it to him and him giving it back Cause that's my favorite thing about Nadeau's account how he'll just quote, tweet you and, like you want to take a shot at him. 

22:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He's going to give it back to you. Nadeau rules, he is a true one of one. I'm sure he does things that can, like annoy people, but I I adore him. I'm going to say something that he might not like, but I've said it before and, like kirk's not here to say something worse, so I'm probably gonna just have to wear this. The best part of nadu is he has, like so many whack packer qualities and, like portnoy, is incredible at amassing. Like a whack pack in this. I've said this in the same way like Howard Stern, probably too young for you guys, but whack packs Beetlejuice, gary the Slow, you know Iris, all of it. Like a whole galaxy of whack packers. But Jeff like forbids to think or see himself as that, which adds to how awesome he is, and I think Barstool and portnoy are obsessed with him because the amount of people in the nadu tier that have ever like turned them down is close to zero percent. Doesn't happen, doesn't? 

23:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
happen. Yeah, yeah, it's like that girlfriend you broke up with, but then when you ask her to get her back, she says no. And you're like, oh no, like wait, I actually I think I made a mistake here, I think I think I did something wrong here. And it's like that girlfriend you broke up with, but then when you ask her to get her back, she says no, and you're like oh no, Wait, wait, wait. 

24:05
Actually, no, I think I made a mistake here, I think I did something wrong here and then, now you're just forever trying to get Naidoo back, but they won't admit it, but they won't admit it. No, no but they're trying to be low-key about it. They're. They both want to. They want the relationship to grow again. They want to get back together. 

24:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
But neither of them want to say it. 

24:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Possible, he's the best. 

24:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Anyways, happy birthday to you have a great weekend. He's a star. Do what you want to do. 

24:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He left too early. I wish we could have collabed on something that doesn't mean the future doesn't hold something. 

24:47 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, and for the record, we haven't talked about this publicly at all. Nadeau said his piece on his final show, but it was like a mutual separation. It was like we just basically talked. It's like, hey, the show's kind of evolved into something that we're not really talking about Twitter space as much anymore. Do you still think you? 

25:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
want to do that. Know, we're not really talking about twitter space as much anymore. Do you still think you, you know, want to do that and we're just kind of like, no, it's not, so I, I don't hold any and he's always got a like a balls in the air and he's like a nomad, like he's quickly thing the thing, he does his thing. Big fan, love him the new crew quickly. 

25:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What are your thoughts on posting your id? 

25:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I would even, even though you like that I, I, already I I struggle to have to send my id to sportsbooks. It pains me to do that because I can see my you know, listen, I don't want to wear the tinfoil hat, but I could certainly see my identity being stolen, but especially by some of these offshore spots, for sure, whenever I'm sending an id. But uh, yeah, I'm not posting my id to twitter. You're not going to see me do that. 

25:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This wasn't the only thing that had us talking. Had people talk about Nadeau over the last few days? Nadeau, what was the poker tournament he was supposed to play in? 

25:53 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Rob he's playing in Hustler Live. It's in Los Angeles, it will actually happen as of recording today's. Monday tonight at 7.30 Eastern. So by the time this episode goes out, we are going to know the result of whether or not jeff nadu boarded a plane. 

26:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Nadu was supposed to play in this event. He was supposed to meet quite a few people as well in lead up to the event, because it's in los angeles, you said la, yeah, uh, okay. So he was supposed to originally meet someone there and then apparently they got stood up. So Larry at LarryLegend68, says are you flying today or what? Nadeau said no. And Larry says why. Nadeau says alarm didn't go off. 

26:35
So I have been like maintaining on the shows, especially with him, like I don't believe you're on the no-fly list. I'll easily believe you if I see a video of you on an airplane. And his reply to that is always even if I post a video of myself on an airplane, people are going to move the goalpost and say it's AI, say it's fake, like I rented out a fake plane or rented out a plane just to take the video on. I'm like I'll believe it if I see a video of him on a plane. But I never thought he was on the no-fly list. The the shadow of doubt really started to creep in once I saw this interaction. Like your alarm didn't go off. Like this isn't like high school. You're explaining why you're late to first period. Like this is. Like this is a bigger event that you're supposed to be playing that you have a sponsor for. 

27:20
And then he posted a video of himself at an airport, showed a video of himself talking there, took a video of everything around him. Looked like an airport. He said what are you jerk offs gonna say now I'm sure you'll push the goalpost further. Anyways, wheels up in a bit, let's go win some money today. And I thought to myself okay, he's at an airport. You cannot get past security if you're on a no-fly list. So evidently he's not on the no-fly list. I'm looking forward to in 30 minutes when I see the video of him on the actual plane, because that will confirm he's on the no-fly list. I went through his account that day. No such video surfaced and I think other people mentioned this. Was it, um, who was supposed to have uh breakfast with him today? Did you say uh, corby, corby craig? 

28:04 - Jason Cooper (Host)
yeah, corby craig was supposed to have breakfast with him today. Did you say Corby, corby, corby, craig? 

28:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
yeah, Corby Craig was supposed to have breakfast with him this morning in LA. That did not happen. Nadeau did not show up, so I don't know if he's there and just didn't go or if he didn't arrive. Speculation has started to arise from people like Jack Mack of Barstool, who says Jeff Nadeau did not fly to LA yesterday. He entered the airport and then left. However, the story does not end there. So he was with Rico Bosco, who is like one of Jeff Nadeau's enemies within Barstool, and essentially Jack Mack explained he got to the airport and then canceled his flight, but he believes it's not a case of being on the no-fly list, that he's actually afraid of flying, which he professed he does. He's not, does not want to make fun of, but that's his theory that he's working with. Then there was some fun with the markets here. 

28:55
Cal. She ended up posting a will to do show up on the stream tonight market and gave it a 20 chance. And, as of normally, dis points out who is a prominent gambling. Twitter says, according to calchi, the epstein files being released this year has a higher probability of happening than to do showing up to this poker event and will trump's really, will trump release any of the epstein files this year has a 22 chance currently on calchi. So it's calchi who replied to this. Uh, from a from a joey knish tweet says I need a calci market on if nadu shows up on on that stream tonight. Uh, what are we? I mean, what are we thinking? Guys like, do you think nadu is on the no fly list? Uh, let's start, let's go ahead. Jeff, you're ready to go? 

29:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
sort of like when you guys say you know it's so easy to prove whether you win or lose bets. There's's like documented third party services. Yeah, like Jacob and someone that has never believed he's on a no fly list. Right, I'm too hardcore to do to ever think that is in his past or something he deals with. I was like, ok, that's cute, now we'll get the video of him on the plane during pilots announcements Maybe a winner being served by a stewardess Beautiful To go to the airport for like the bit and not get on the plane. I just finished saying, like Whack Packer, he apparently so. 

30:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He claims he did a spaces from the airport, Like he actually posted a spaces which was apparently at the airport, like he actually posted us did a spaces which was apparently at the airport. He did it, it was what did he say I, I didn't, I didn't listen to him, I just I just thought so the flight was canceled. 

30:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
My understanding was the flight got delayed, and I think this is what jock mac said where he then he he canceled the ticket at around 4 30 but hung around at the airport for like another half an hour tweeting at people at 450 yeah so, and the barstool he keeps talking about, like in that video he's making like threats of legal subpoenas to certain barstool personalities. 

30:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yes, the reason I believe this has taken on so much air within barstools what I alluded to before there have been, even when he was an employee, and since there have been so many opportunities that they have offered to like fly him out, do a thing, uh, that he doesn't take part in. Yeah, so that like enough is, I guess, enough for them. The only time if he could take the train or bus to New York, he shows up in New York. Other than that, he hasn't shown up anywhere. 

31:29
So again I am confident to do is in the air right now as we are speaking. 

31:33 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I think so too. So, first and foremost this I'm almost certain this is not a real market because I tried to find it on. 

31:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Kalshi so I think Kalshi was just like playing into this but the fact that we could believe this would be a calci market is a testament to calci as a product that they would we could I believe they would offer this if it were a real market, I would slam the yes on this really will nadu show up on the stream tonight? 

31:57 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I would slam yes important 20 chance. One out of five times he's going to be there important note is that he cannot drive there in time. 

32:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, from what, what, what time would he have had to let? I've left lancaster to 24 hour drive. 

32:12 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Oh, I don't know. Check it out. 

32:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He hasn't tweeted in 20 hours so he could be driving right now. 

32:16 - Jason Cooper (Host)
He's gonna drive across the country to play in a like. 

32:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's gonna cost him more in money to driving across the country makes more sense than driving to the airport for the bit and then leaving, even if the airport is the airport on the way to los angeles, though, and to cap off, it would be cap off a week of simping for your birthday with not getting on the plane would be a really tough look, even for the hour drive even for a new rider like myself yeah, it's insanity, I truly insanity to go to that airport and not get on a plane so when this the no fly list thing? 

32:52 - Jason Cooper (Host)
first came up like when it first came up, me and kanish were kind of going back and forth and like private. The like messages were like let's like lean into this a little bit like clearly it fires him up and it does right, right, but I never, really ever, believed that At any point. Up until today, it crept into my head that this could be. 

33:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
How could it not? How could it not? 

33:15 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It's now a real possibility that I didn't think was real for a long time. But I don't know, maybe he is scared of flying, yeah, but it's just a crazy bit. 

33:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's maybe he is scared of flying, yeah, but it's just a crazy bit. You know, like it's like a crazy bit. Like is like, is it even a bit like? I don't know? The fact that he's gone to this much length it like makes me think it's not a bit. If you're scared, it's fine, it's not just on it they say he's on the no-fly list. 

33:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They make fun of rico for being in the taliban. Yes, yeah, like which one is worse clearly the joke that you're on the no-fly list. All he has to do to end this rumor and he's talking about people will move the goalposts. No, Jeff, you moved the goalposts. You posted the video in the terminal. For all you know, you're working at Hudson's News. You're right. The thing is, you've got to be on the plane. I'm sure there's assholes on Twitter who, when you post the video on the plane, will say it's Dr. 

34:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Of course he's right, but nobody can actually argue if he's on the plane. 

34:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But you're the one moving the goalposts by doing it in your seat, the terminal, and not on the goddamn bird. 

34:18 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. 

34:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I love you Jeff I love you, jeff. 

34:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I love you, jeff. Peace and love. I think he's gonna play in, okay, this game. Uh, what so? Let's, let's pretend this calci market actually exists here smash he's there what would? What would you actually make the percentage chance that nadu shows up to play in the event? 

34:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
tonight. So this would have already happened. But more info, no, it's just small breaking news from liam bluntman, who is a barstool guy 10 chance. Jeff nadu is in the air right now. Per Jack Mack 10% chance. So that would affect how I, if he shows up to the stream tonight, see like I'm not privy to any information here. 

34:51 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I have not messaged Nadeau. Do your best. I would say he's a favorite to show up on the stream tonight. 

34:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That would be my. Give us a percentage. 

34:59 - Jason Cooper (Host)
He's gone out of his way to like he wasn't originally part of this stream either. 

35:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So what is the logic to extend the bit by 12 hours? Like to go home yesterday to get back on the plane today. He's extended the bit 12 hours. Like what is the payoff? 

35:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He had plans to meet people in Los Angeles, which I also talked about. I will give. 

35:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Jeff. Two confirmed meetings he missed. I'll give jeff credit. This poker go thing posted like an avi a meme for this. Yeah, he's way bigger star than anyone. 

35:31 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I've never even heard of the people I don't know what jeff should do, should be the center of that picture, but maybe they didn't put him on the avi because he's not playing maybe that's why he's not going 

35:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
maybe he's on the graph because they know he's not going. Wow there you go. 

35:47 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I would say this market is like is Nadeau scared of getting on a plane? Is the exact same as the. 

35:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I see them as being handed. Listen, you're not weaseling out of this. I need a percentage chance. Nadeau plays in this game 60% chance. 

36:01 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Nadeau plays in this game. 60% chance. Nadeau shows up on the stream today. I'll book you on that easily. We can have a bet on that. Book it, no, no, no, we can't do that though. No, no, Friendly friendly. Friendly friendly Like a handshake For a lunch or something. 

36:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, for, like, my salary or something. Okay, jason, what's your percentage chance? 

36:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
15 what is nadoo's comeback? If he is at home tonight like what is his, it's over for him he can't live it. 

36:28 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's what. That's another part of this right. It's either he's embracing that as like, as a bit for in gate, forever, forever, eternity yeah, or he is squashing it. 

36:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
There's no middle ground here, jeff. How does he get his way? 

36:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
how does he get out of it by the time this has? 

36:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
aired he is. It's it's two extremes and that's the future. He cannot. He cannot be hypersensitive if he did not go to la today and people are going to make fun of him about the no fly list. Now 60, yes, what would you say? Jeff there? I think he's there. I'm an Adu Crew guy. 

37:02 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You're going 100%, yes, no. 

37:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'll. 

37:06 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Price is. 

37:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Right you 61%. 

37:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just want to say I'm only going for the no based off the fact that he's gone completely. Goals for the last 21 hours. 

37:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I am going to go 30% chance. He's there, all right. 

37:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I like it. We're all over the place. I don't think he's at that? 

37:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I'll be honest that I don't think he's at, that I'll be honest. 

37:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That shit last week, your gambling bill. It's way too real, it's way too serious. It affects too many people. This shit is my jam. I am so interested. 

37:35 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I also wonder I mean, there's more to this than just the flying, Because you can be playing in a poker game where he has to buy in real cash money and roughly like to show up and play in that game. You probably have to have five to ten k in pocket, I would say to play in that game. 

37:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
So maybe he just doesn't like. I don't know, it's the new confident as a poker player. 

37:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He should spend 140 dollars and literally fly anywhere. 

37:59 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Fly to toronto, just get on a domestic bird and get in the air, but we stop talking about him if he does. Okay, fine, we stop talking about this, if he does, but how does the bit work? I'd like to revise my percentage. How? 

38:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
does the bit work? If he's going to be sensitive about the bit tomorrow? 

38:16 - Jason Cooper (Host)
True, I'm just going to revise down to 50%. 

38:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This would have never been on the show until this. This is the first time. This would have been on the show if it wasn't for him having been on the Friday and him talking about it a bunch. It's not like we're talking about it all the time. Other people, yes, but Well, it is a bit Like it is a real bit Like. 

38:33 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It does get talked about every day. If you search Nadeau, no fly on Twitter, there is a tweet about, about it every single day, but wouldn't he get more? 

38:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
the term's not recognition, but wouldn't he get more exposure if he was just at all of these events instead? 

38:48 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It ends the conversation. I don't know, maybe there's an argument to be made about that. 

38:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
If he's at all these Barstool events, he's getting talked about more than for not showing up there needs to be a 30 for 30 on this one day, three hours later. 

38:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Give it like 15%. 

39:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, this market isn't real but again, you can conceive of pretty much any market and it might exist on Kalshi. If you do want to sign up to Kalshi, you can use the QR code that is on screen right now. If you're watching or if you're listening, you go to the link in the description. If you're watching, you go at any point to the link in the description and sign up to Kalshi today. Fantastic product with a lot of liquidity on some of these stranger markets that you might see. We're going to go to our next topic here, which is Weston Guy in Cornfield flipping the script a little bit on himself. 

39:42
We actually use a lot of Weston Guy in Cornfield's posts for this show because he likes to dunk on idiot handicappers and I personally think this is something that he himself would have dunked on if somebody had posted. So he posted a potential six game suspension upcoming for quinshawn judkins, a rookie running back I think he was uh early second round pick by the cleveland browns correct me if I'm wrong and he posted under 675.5 regular season rushing yards for the season. He said at dk, if anyone is interested, and storm pig I'm not going to repeat exactly what's said on screen says another idiot. So the issue is I believe this is weston and you may. You may argue how big of an edge this is, but this is Weston posting an edge that he could get down more on and other people could get down on, and I'm of the opinion here that if somebody else were to have done this, weston would have immediately gone after them in the way that other people are going after him. 

40:46
Weston's reply to this was funny how the dub club guys can post five-leg home run parlays like they're doing God's work, but the second someone shares a Plessy B football future that's about to get pulled. It should have kept that to yourself, and it's always the burner guys who bring zero value to Gabbling X chirping the loudest. We got four people in this room right now who are not anonymous, no, so we'll see what the opinions are here, but I feel like this is something weston himself would have dunked on what do you think, rob? 

41:13 - Jason Cooper (Host)
well, okay, so I I didn't think of the hypocrisy angle, and I actually do think that that's very valid, because we've used a lot of weston's uh tweets in the show before, and I agree that had someone else done this and if it was someone especially that he didn't like which I mean, we do this all the time as human beings If someone we don't like, he would dunk on them. 

41:34
With this topic, though, I think it's not going to be the first or last time we talk about someone leaking an edge. This is something that happens pretty regularly in the gambling Twitter space, and there's this disconnect between the person who posted it publicly and usually the sharp person that's going to call them out, so Storm in this case. I've known Storm for a long time. We've had a very up and down relationship over the years. From his perspective, he's seeing an opportunity to make money, but now that this is public, that opportunity is vanishing, and I get that. However, not every single better thinks of bets in terms of the pure ev on the bet, and I'm going to maximize what I can make off of this. People don't listen. Whether or not you like it, clout is. It's basically a form of money in some way or another. 

42:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, absolutely In terms of sponsorship avenues or just anything Like there's yeah, there's a currency. What I would push? 

42:37 - Jason Cooper (Host)
back with here, with Storm in particular. I'd be very interested to get his opinion privately afterwards. But let's say I found this on DraftKings and I needed help getting down, storm would be a guy that I might reach out to Kanish, whatever, lots of guys in the space Most of the guys that I would send this to they would probably tell me I'm not gonna bet that for you. This is the truth. This particular prop, right here under 675 and a half season long rush yards on a DraftKings account, that's gonna nuke the DraftKings account if this guy ends up suspended. So I get being upset for the edge being put out there. I don't know if there's more to this story, like maybe storm was in the process of betting it, but in a lot of cases you can say, oh, like maximize the urn, like reach out to partners. But in specific cases like this, in my experience, people don't want to bet this for you. 

43:29
So I do think that I see both sides. There's like a middle ground somewhere. 

43:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think this is one of those very few instances where the perceived edge you get more equity just tweeting it out Because, again, like you said, it's a future it's not going to pay out. Even if this is going to hit, it's not going to pay out until late December. You're probably better off. Speaking personally, I'd be better off just keeping that money and rolling it over and using it week to week instead of betting it on this future. Also, there's like a little bit of risk involved with it. 

43:58
It's the if, if he plays at least one regular season snap, if this domestic violence case goes wrong for quinn, for judkins, um and like. Again, I don't know how it's gonna work. He's not signed right, like a lot of the second round picks have been holding out, so who knows if he will even sign and play this year with this case being hung over his head? Also, how long will it take he might sign and the trial process takes such a long time that the suspension would be pushed into next year. There's so many things that could go wrong with this. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but again, like the fact that it's a future I have to. 

44:36
I'm betting a minus 105 and I'm gonna have to wait four months for it to get cash out. 

44:38 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It's just not anywhere close for of me, like worth it for me. I think these scenarios, like they're they're not treated equally yeah, in all cases, right, like there are times where there's like legitimately, something where I see someone post it and like this person I say it too this person is a complete idiot like if they just reach out to the right person, probably could get like at least a few thousand dollars in ev on this bet, if not more, but granted, like, forget about weston. Like there's other cases where people post these edges they have no access to, like a sharp network. Yeah, they wouldn't even know where to start to reach out for someone to bet it and get down on it. So I think there's way more nuance than either side wants to, you know, make it seem like there is here in this particular instance. I don't, I don't, I. I think all around, like if I was weston, he doesn't strike me as a guy that is chasing like clout as currency. Personally, I don't know if that's, I don't know what the motivation was for posting this. 

45:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sometimes you actually just want to help people out. Exactly you, literally just want to help people out he probably made a vow like I don't I don't know to what degree that he bets and whatnot, but like I, if I saw this, I don't know if I would have tweeted it out, but I like this is just not something that I think would be that like good for me to bet honestly. 

45:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So, yeah, I think I could see why someone wanted to tweet it out I just agree with jason, and I think what you alluded to, the the value in this, is sharing it. I don't think there's much you can make off it. Yeah and well, so well. It's like maybe there is like. 

46:07 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Like, for example, let's just say someone has like a vip draft kings account that they can bet into. I mean, I've seen limits on those. They, frankly, can be really high and if you get suspended for six games, yeah, and you're placing a hundred thousand dollar bet, your ev is through the roof on that bet. And if this person gets a free roll on it or whatever percentage of it, their evs through the roof. So there's scenarios, but I would just say in my experience, somebody would be very unlikely to cook a VIP account for that. 

46:39
So I think it's kind of like I get Storm's perspective, I get the sharp perspective of like you have something good you can bet here. Bet it, don't tweet it. Who's to say he didn't? Yeah, also yeah. 

46:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It seems like there's a lot of trap doors here. I agree. With this bet for minus 105 to make something you care about lasting, to even be thinking about it in the year. I see how the value is in the tweet. 

47:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just see that. I see it. So do I. Yes, doesn't make it. I see how the value is in the tweet. I just see that I see it, so do I, yes. 

47:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Let me. 

47:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So I don't. I don't believe, but I see it. 

47:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I didn't give the context. I don't think anyone gave the context, sorry. So a story came out that he got charged with domestic violence, which is why he could be suspended. 

47:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He got arrested, not charged. 

47:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Sorry, you're right, he got violence charge is that the correct terminology? Hasn't been charged with to be arrested. He's been charged. He hasn't been convicted. I don't know. Hasn't been convicted, you're right, sorry, he's been charged with domestic violence, hence why he could be suspended. Based on uh, previous times we've seen it in the nfl. Let's imagine alex caruso tweeted this yes, how would you react? How would weston react? 

47:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
yeah. What if salvitri tweet yeah, fair, exactly, lose their shit. So all of your points are valid Fair counter. 

47:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
All of your points are valid. There's probably not much anyone can do with this anyways, but what if somebody posted like Salvitri or Alex Caruso? 

48:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think we might've had the conversation, the points, in reverse. We would have first mentioned this guy's annoying this is pointless, but I think we would have come full circle and been like come to the same how you yeah, the conclusion? 

48:15 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I don't think so. 

48:15
I'm just going to be completely honest with you because, like to me, like sal vitri, alex, those are like the william casus of like the sports betting space, where they just keep like the building a brand at the expense of everyone else around them, like offering, like. Like Salvitri will put out incentive threads before there's even lines posted Like do you understand how harmful that could actually be to people who value his opinion on anything? Alex Caruso, like martingaling casino videos like these are this is just disgraceful on. So I do not afford like afford them any leeway and they put that out. I would be right down their throat. 

48:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'll tell you right now well, it's fair, because I don't think these people weston has grace and equity that they don't have. Sure that's obvious yeah, the hypocrite. 

49:06 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I think jacob brought up a good point about the hypocrisy of it all, though, like if you are going to go after other people for similar, then you can't do the same thing. 

49:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, Jeff almost did something similar to this, but he didn't tweet it out. He shared it with us in our group chat, where he got wind of a rumor where someone heard where Najee Harris heard his eye. 

49:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Jeff you were big on that. But you see, Jeff was looking to help out his friends. 

49:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's not. That's different than posting. 

49:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
My DMs were buzzing Were you considering posting about it or no. 

49:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Not really, because I didn't know about it. I told some friends but I was golfing with a guy on the weekend. It goes, you are the GOAT beating Schefter at his own game. Love golfing with you. I didn't golf with that guy in a year and I don't know how it came up. 

49:55 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I told him the story hours or day and a half later comes chef, these reporting, I will say like when you, when you're on to something that doesn't like it just doesn't feel right, like you can, you can sniff it. Yeah, you're like, there's something here, I know something's going on here, I know, then to take it seriously in that moment. 

50:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
If you were following the story. There were a couple crumbs. 

50:16 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Jeff knew days before, days before that, najee Harris was involved in a fireworks accident. 

50:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Just by putting some pieces together, well, the carrier pigeons arrive in my DMs in like a flock, so I knew something was up. It was different people from different angles finding this information. 

50:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say that's the only way Najee Harris' vision could get worse behind the line of scrimmage. Oh God, I've been saving that one. 

50:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Listen a backup, running back. Who's never taken a snap for the team got hurt. Like he doesn't even exist to me. 

50:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, he was going to be their starter. What are you talking about? He was going to be their starter. What are you talking about? And also, there was a great way to play with O'Marion Hampton. What? 

50:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
are you looking for? 

50:53 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Sorry, what are you looking around the room for? 

50:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's going to be their starter? Yeah, is the starter in the room with us right now Is that? 

51:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
what you're going to hit me with. No, I'm just very talking to someone else. Oh, okay, we all know he's like the starter. Okay, okay. 

51:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He'll play like 50% of the snaps. Sorry, yeah. 

51:20 - Jason Cooper (Host)
He'll see like the first couple possessions of the game. 

51:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah Well, okay, between 40 and 50, is that okay? Okay, Tell him to stop 30% of the snaps. 

51:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Once it happens, he's not off the field. 

51:33 - Jason Cooper (Host)
What happens? We're going to have to get a calci market for a percentage of snaps. No, no, I wouldn't argue it. 

51:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They are going to run the ball a lot. It's a Jim Harbaugh team. 

51:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But what do you see? 

51:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
his percentage of him, I think no one is selling Najee Harris as the starting running back for the Chargers in October. Listen as Dad said, off the top you're talking to a Chargers superfan. 

51:56 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, let's move on. You have the vision with the Chargers. 

51:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I didn't want to do Chargers radio. I know I'm just. 

52:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I didn't want to do Chargers radio. We'll move on. Yeah, thank you. 

52:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
We'll move on. No-transcript comment featured on next week's episode. Comment something down below and while you're there, you can hit the like button. Also, you can subscribe to the channel, as I said. Let's get into the first comment, which comes from nexus. Underscore six says can you change the con? Sorry, you can change the commentary on apple tv to the local radio broadcast for either team. It's a game changer. What do you guys think about the national television commentary for nfl? Would you take out this opportunity to listen local radio broadcast? I didn't know this, neither did I, and now that I know it, I'm going to use it I will as well. 

53:08 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Uh yeah, because apple tv recently. Uh yeah, there was like a jays game on apple tv that I wanted to see. I mean, the commentary wasn't bad yeah, it was a different shulman like what is that dan shulman's son, or something his son, his? 

53:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
son does the radio. 

53:20 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You don't even know this no, no, I don't, I don't, I don't listen to radio. Yeah, I was gonna say radio, the only radio when I'm out and about harry what am I like? 

53:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm not home every time the jays are playing. I catch a lot of jays I never can. 

53:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just can I throw something out there. Do you have a phone with you at all times? 

53:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
yeah, I know people that illegally. Yeah, that's what this is. 

53:41 - Jason Cooper (Host)
A thing for people that are our age yeah, like we grew up with right, I used to bring a radio to the game hold on, I'm talking about in my car oh yeah, I, I still stream it in my car and just play the audio. 

53:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I got some YouTube channels that illegally give me the game College football. 

53:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's some great ones, it's like a lady who's doing like arts and crafts and switches over to the game. 

54:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They're experts at it. 

54:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I would actually I would do this for the Leafs games because I love Joe Bowen and it's actually a tragedy that he doesn't call the games anymore. I think he's actually retired now. 

54:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's going to be his last year. Yeah, those cheap fucks They've been doing him dirty. 

54:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
They've been doing him dirty for years. What an embarrassment. So anybody who doesn't know Joe Bowen does radio for the Leafs, he has them for like 40 plus years. 

54:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Be there even in commentate from a monitor. 

54:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
A truly disgraceful organization that's like every team now, that's just the state, even in the playoffs. Yeah, the playoffs, send a guy to the game, man rob, they can put him on the team charter. 

54:40 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's how they used to do it. I'm not suggesting that they can't, I'm just saying that this is widespread. It's not like a I agree, I agree that there are certain saving costs. 

54:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's an easy way to save costs there are certain teams and franchises that should do it. Yeah, the the maple leafs should not be one of them. Yeah, that's all, especially big games, especially the legendary broadcaster. That's, that's it I agree. 

55:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Next one is from liam brian 233 says listening to the unrest over the prospect of paying taxes on gambling losses is whack. When you live in a country that doesn't even pay taxes on winnings, uh, what's the? 

55:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
response, because this obviously affects you. But like we don't want like the precedent to be set and then our country adopts it as well. No like. Is that not also part? 

55:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
of the issue. I'll be honest, I don't even think about any of that. I just like reacting to what I deem is an issue in real time, and I mean, like 90% of my friends in the betting space are American, so it directly impacts me or indirectly impacts me what this segment should have been was just all four of us like giving the big middle finger to the camera to anyone who's American. 

55:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like what? 

55:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
did you expect us to? 

55:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
do Just say oh, it doesn't affect me, fuck you guys, I don't think people realize how much this does affect us, though, because if Joy Kanish has to move to our country, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. 

55:55 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You know what I mean. 

55:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, exactly, so I don't know how we'll rectify that situation I don't even understand. 

56:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I mean, it's like saying you shouldn that's a former opinion on whatever. Okay, maybe I'm speaking of it. More is like um, watching some of people even I consider friends freak out might be more of a form of entertainment than actual pain, but we see this a lot like any time I give my opinion on american politics around the election. It's like you're in canada you're not allowed to say anything. So I guess it's the. You're not allowed to say anything, so I guess it's the same. 

56:33 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You're allowed to say whatever you want, yeah. 

56:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You could say this would be more entitled if there was a comment this week that says that stupid fat fuck, wipe your smirk off your face. You shouldn't say a word about poker. The poker community doesn't give a shit about what you say. That would be more valid than this. 

56:57 - Jason Cooper (Host)
When we community doesn't give a shit about what you say. Even then, that would be more valid than this when we, when we talk about those issues, like we led the poker, talk today like none of us are pro poker players doesn't mean that you can't have an opinion on it. 

57:01
Some are obviously more informed than others, and we can all agree on that in the same situation yeah, we're canadians, sure? I mean, this is a sports betting talk show. Basically, to not cover the biggest sports betting topic of the week would be insane. Like okay, yeah, we don't. And, by the way, that's not entirely true if you file as a professional, you do pay taxes yes, the next one, the final one for the comments, comes from yt. 

57:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Cloud farm says I've I never got the impression that every book was trying to take you to the cleaners. It doesn't even really make sense for them to do that. You would never play with them again. So this is in reference to a conversation we had on whether or not sports books purposely make their apps as addicting as possible. Jeff, you look like you have a strong opinion. 

57:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't really even understand. It doesn't even really make sense for them to do that. 

57:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What does that mean? 

57:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They're still sending you emails. 

57:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're still soliciting you, I think he's changing the scope of the argument in that he's saying like if they were trying to take you to the cleaners, they'd offer like a 20% hold instead of like the 5% or whatever. 

58:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
If they wanted to take me to the cleaners, they'd offer me tommy fleetwood at 60 to one, and I'd still bet it because like he can't win. And why don't we just give the guy a stupid number? We're gonna break him. 

58:19 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Well, I don't know the exacts of, like I don't. I don't know it. I'm trying to decipher what this? 

58:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
means as much as you guys are. 

58:25 - Jason Cooper (Host)
But the argument was you and kirk last week saying, like you know, they're trying to do everything that they can to get you addicted. There is something to the final like again. Yes, you know by now I've consulted for sportsbooks or whatever. But when you have a like a, a player, a casual play, you do not want them to bleed all their money very quickly. 

58:45
You don't want them to have a horrible experience quickly. So when he says it doesn't really make sense for them to do that, never play with them again, that's somewhat true, like someone who comes in the door and places 10 bets and nine of them lose yeah a lot of them think, like the site is cursed, they can't win on there or whatever, they take their money and they go elsewhere. 

59:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So I I kind of understand their goal is for you to be a losing fucking mush. Yeah, and when you get a little extra fucking money in your pocket, you don't think about doing anything responsible with it. Yeah, you just come back to us and pay your fucking meter. 

59:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what they want die on the hill I'm. I'm very proud of kirk, though, running for cover for himself by like, by not pretending to be so pro sportsbook for that little segment. 

59:33 - Jason Cooper (Host)
He's got to almost reel back. I would really question whether or not Kirk's takes are sincere from henceforward. 

59:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He's just really taken to heart that he's the sportsbook simp around here. We're switching gears with our next topic. This comes from Harut at BetLikeHarut, who says there are three times when it's technically right to hedge. One there's clear value on the other side. Two no value on other side but neutral, so you can hedge to reduce exposure without sacrificing your EV. Or. Three, the equity in your position has a real impact on your bankroll or life. Rob your thoughts on this conversation resurfacing and perhaps the points noted in it. 

01:00:12 - Jason Cooper (Host)
So I love Harut. He's a friend of mine. I think this tweet is a really good tweet in that it's incredibly nuanced, but I also think this is the absolute nut low subject matter when it comes to gambling Twitter, like the closing line value debates those kill me like I die on the inside every month. When there's a new closing line value debate the hedging debates they are even more extreme. I think there's a very well laid out tweet three times to to it's right to hedge. 

01:00:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
There's clear value I'm sorry, I've never seen it worded as well as this in my opinion I agree. 

01:00:53 - Jason Cooper (Host)
However, this just leads to a conversation amongst sharps who all have like these minor disagreements with one another and like these edge cases and whatever, and they can never agree that the threads go on for like a hundred tweets. More people get involved and like, honestly, the conversation sucks. People hedging there is there is like there's mathematics to support. There's also emotions. I think you have to combine both. I don't ever claim to be the person that's going to give you like the exact, perfect hedges, because I think every single instance is treated independently, in that the money that's associated with the bet, what your emotional state of mind is all these things. So people tweet this stuff like matter of fact in the hedging debates and like it really isn't. So I I'm just so tired of this. This is is a good tweet. However, the conversation that stems from it just ends up with everybody angry and feeling like they're the person that's right in the entire situation, and it always goes nowhere. 

01:02:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It makes sense why the smartest guy in the room and his friends can't figure out why this casual gambler wants to hedge something. Yeah, context is always important and nuance, but maybe no more so than the hedge debate as it pertains to sports betting. You're a pro, you've got your edges fucking every day. You only make advantage bets. Why the fuck would you hedge? Right, it is your livelihood. You are. And these are the three reasons. 

01:02:37 - Jason Cooper (Host)
These are the only three reasons, which I think makes a lot of sense. I mean, if you, if you, if there's clear value on the other side of a bet now, like an injury happened, sure, I'll hedge like no value on the other side. 

01:02:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You want, like, no value on the other side. You want to reduce your risk, your exposure. Sure, all the time in football season I'm privy to conversations that you and smart people are having yeah, and it's like we have a great line, like pretty much everyone in chat has a great line. And then I'll ask something like should we come in on the other side? Yeah, and to a man you're all like there's zero chance I'm playing the other side unless, like, just to try the middle until the other, the other side, has to be its own advantage wager for me to even consider it. Well, me, I'm a casual. I'm only betting football on sundays. I uh bet super hard on it. I got a great line. I'm it's like a not even comparison right. 

01:03:30 - Jason Cooper (Host)
So my thing with sports is that I, or sports betting is I actually do think in the grand scheme of things, there are things that are absolutely right and absolutely wrong. However, every sports bet, even sharp sports bettors if you, if you put a hundred in a room, their processes are wildly different. What they are willing to bet on some sites is different than other. Like everybody does different things because through experience, you think certain things are right. Now that's in real experience. This is more of a theoretical type of thing, but when it comes to hedging like you are never going to get a discourse where everyone's like no, this is the way I do. Everyone thinks that they are right in the matter that they hedge. You cannot have like a meaningful conversation about it ever. 

01:04:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I would actually disagree. I think it's easy to tell a casual that the hedge is not an advantage play and then being like I don't give a shit. Do you have any idea what? $35,000? 

01:04:30 - Jason Cooper (Host)
means to to me. We did that on the show before we did that with, uh crack, bill krackenberger. I remember who he tweeted at. Maybe, maybe it was, I want to say, ariel epstein, I could be completely wrong about that he, like quote, tweeted something of hers and said this is horrible advice on. 

01:04:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Was it pamela maldonado? 

01:04:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
somebody clicked the cash out button oh, cash out is there I don't agree with. I feel like cash out's now another nuance it is a form of hedging, yeah, I agree, but there are better way it doesn't you need the capital to like hedge properly. 

01:05:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If you're going to cash out, like if you, if you're going to cash out, you might not have enough money to hedge, though for the like that's fair, right, like there's all now we're getting deep in the weeds, though, yeah if I got a $50,000 ticket. 

01:05:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't just have 20 and FanDuel, I mean. I'm not in any account to just make that hedge that I want so sure. 

01:05:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think the most important thing is if you want a hedge, just get a lawn. Be a gardener. 

01:05:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Hedging is for gardeners. There you go. 

01:05:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I said that this weekend and I should have been a gardener. That's all yeah. 

01:05:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I like to think water. 

01:05:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, not even a hedge. I just should have bought off a little bit on center. This guy elbow injury. 

01:05:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'll never hedge. I'll never hedge. Who told you that In a golfer? 

01:05:40 - Jason Cooper (Host)
if one of my golfers is in a playoff, to me it's strictly like water finds its level yeah what about when all three of your kids are all going to college at the same time and you got a big payout. You tell me you're never gonna hedge when that money might mean something to you. Well, it depends what it means, but that's what I'm saying yeah, you say, right now I bet you're gonna hedge at some point in your life. 

01:05:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
There have been moments like do summer camp, summer activities, this shit's not cheap. There's moments where like please win, please win, like pay for summer camp please. 

01:06:08 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I mean 10 years from now, your nephew might come to you and be like jeff you uncle jeff. You remember that time that you didn't take me to that game. You have a chance to make up for it. 

01:06:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You'll never, you will. I will never feel what you guys want me to feel, ever it's despicable. 

01:06:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Good more games for me it's fucking despicable what you did to your nephew ever well, it's despicable what the new york times did to their newspaper company or whatever you want to call it, because there was an article that came out about mozzie. He is in some legal trouble at the moment and there were certain people who were featured in the article who probably we would say maybe shouldn't have been. Do you want me to read this whole excerpt from the article? 

01:06:51 - Jason Cooper (Host)
here. You don't have to. It's up on screen for any and even if you're listening, nowadays you can actually watch the video as well on Spotify. I think this was. 

01:07:03
You have to explain what this is, then so it's a New York Times article that is basically following around Mozzie and his betting. I couldn't tell when I like for the first few paragraphs whether this was an expose or it was a promotion of him. It was really weird, but it was just like a decent piece on like what his day-to-day is. I mean him selling picks, what he claims his edges to be, so on and so forth. At the end of the day, I have no problem if you want to include certain people in the article. It's how they are represented in the article that really bothers me. So for this one in particular, amanda Vance was asked about this situation and she said my view is they're scummy cappers who posted a bunch of nice watches on and flexed their money, and those are the people that I think kind of deserve the hate. But then I think there are people like myself who are good at it, love what they do, don't brag, own their losses. 

01:08:02
The following text from the author is Vance is something of a unicorn, a female capper operating in the troll infested swamp of the online manosphere that has sprung up around sports betting. She started out in sports broadcasting but transitioned to handicapping during the pandemic when she noticed that her social media followers kept asking her for pics. Further down it says you know she's attractive, crushes beers, talks smack and knows more about the cover two defense than you do. A dream girl for many, whose presence only costs $24.99 per day or $99.99 per week. 

01:08:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They spelled picks wrong in the article. 

01:08:43 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, I mean, it's probably just an editing error. 

01:08:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, no, wipe your fucking ass with this article. 

01:08:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's a joke, because they spelled it like P-I-C-K-S. I see they're asking her for other. Anyways joke went over everyone's head. We can move on. 

01:08:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I just hope that some of these smart gambling guys that have a clue about this story and these people that might consider this publication relevant and important and know what they're talking about. I hope it tarnishes all of it, Because I've already got that opinion, but there's others who might still need enlightening to it. 

01:09:21 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I really want to toe the line with what I say here because I could go very overboard with this topic of conversation. This article. Journalism in the sports betting space is pretty pretty cooked. I mean, there's a few people who do it well. Danny funt, I believe, is with the washington post. Whenever he writes an article about a sports betting situation he's pretty damn diligent in the research that he does. 

01:09:48
Um, this one is a sham, as much as it tried to be like this good expose on Mazzy and whatever. It didn't turn out that way. And, yes, like people that are respected in the industry, like Spanky, were interviewed and stuff like that. But nowadays I think there's a general lack of knowledge within the journalistic community on what is real and what's not in sports betting. 

01:10:14
The best example I could give was maybe not journalism in and of itself, but when I was first contacted to do a masterclass, which I've been shit on many times in the space for, I was originally contacted to write the curriculum for that not to be a part of it, and I'm not going to name the names that were originally going to be chosen for that master class, but if those four people were selected it would have been probably the most harmful thing ever done in the history of sports betting. And that was purely selection, based off of how prominent they were on like Google search results, how many followers they have on social media. And there is this belief in the space that followers somewhat like legitimize people. I mean in this quote specifically from amanda vance, she does say I think there are people like myself who are good at it. Um, I mean, if you. 

01:11:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This is like taking the word of hamas. Okay, yeah sure I wasn't gonna go there, but yeah I understand what this is like from your sports gambling expose to your real journalism stories. There's a link. Yeah, that fucking bullshit it's dead they said it yeah, that's it. That's all we need it. 

01:11:56 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, that's it that's all. We need no follow up on that, or no 100? Here's the quote. Sure, let's just throw it in the article. That's what, that's what was said. You know like for for them to put whose presence only costs 24.99 per day. 

01:12:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That could be them like making. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, like it's them making fun of her. 

01:12:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what I think as well, like when I read it back, like that's like you, little horny fucking losers yeah I don't, I don't know, that's what I know. I actually agree that's a bit of a dick a vast majority of her clients are men and she recognized the bond between them in advance. Like so many online relationships, today has a strong parasocial component, I feel like. 

01:12:29 - Jason Cooper (Host)
And then talking about how it's 24.99 like that, that, to me, is I would say you don't put sarcasm in in journalism, so I listen, not in a normal font. 

01:12:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I've long told you there's like how much is amanda a month? 

01:12:42 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I don't know man, what was it? Two hundred? 

01:12:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
nine, nine, nine, nine. 

01:12:45 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's per week, I think it's probably 250 per month or something 200 a month, I told you buddy 999 for a nice clip flicker on OnlyFans, you save yourself $240. 

01:12:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Right, and you make your own bets. But that's my point, jeff. 

01:12:59 - Jason Cooper (Host)
This is my whole point the people who are buying this is what it's $249.99 for a month $250. Those are not people who think they're going to get in Amanda's pants. That's my opinion. Those are people who genuinely believe in the pitch. 

01:13:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
But they're a little bit closer when they pay that money. 

01:13:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They're just a little bit closer, you're right, I don't think they think they're going to actually have sex with her. You are correct. 

01:13:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, I think they do think that I don't think so I think it is like I can communicate. 

01:13:31 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I'm paying $249 a month to communicate with a boss. To communicate with a boss? No, but no one's doing that. It's actually insane. 

01:13:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's not happening, you're telling me they stick around for the picks and the $249 renews next month after they just went 6-18?. 

01:13:45 - Jason Cooper (Host)
No, but there's times where they're going to go 18-6 and they think that she's a great handicapper over that stretch that's how touting works, okay, so you keep a couple and and like whoever I think it might have been jeff. She releases her picks when the market is the most efficient, like when you listen to her back in the day on the elf twitter spaces talking about her handicapping process. There is not a single. Your picks are like revenge games rational, better in the world. That's going to be like. 

01:14:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This person knows what they're doing so that's what I mean, and I like that's not being mean, that's being real. 

01:14:21 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Okay, sometimes you got to be real. 

01:14:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But I believe it's possible that people like would buy that and then, once you bet for a little, you realize how dumb they are and then, years later, you like giggle at yourself for that purchase sure, but by that time there's like she's extracted a thousand dollars at a certain point it's like to porter's point, or when we've spoken about early, like at some point darwin's got to take over, yeah do you do, you believe that? 

01:14:47
and you're out of here, pal, so I will. The fittest if you can't figure out. No, I mean, do you believe that? And you're out of here, pal? Survival of the fittest. If you can't figure out? No, I mean, do you? 

01:14:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
believe that more than 50% of the people who buy Amanda Wins' package do you think more than 50% are buying for the actual pics or because it's an attractive woman that they want to be just even slightly closer to? 

01:15:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The amount of money. I'll be honest and everyone's got a line. 

01:15:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I think it's the latter. 

01:15:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
By the way, it's a lot and like we said this is like the they can go home at the holidays and like, have a job that they're proud of, that they can brag about, that they're, that they are, you know, successful, yeah, at, and it carries less stigma than flicking your clit for $9.99. Sure, that being said, the amount of money that Mathis probably left on the table by not embracing OnlyFans last year at her peak. 

01:15:46 - Jason Cooper (Host)
But if she doesn't want to, I understand. I get what you're saying. I think she would have had a very large following on OnlyFans, but she doesn't want to do that. She doesn't want to do that, but then she went with the in-between thing. 

01:16:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I agree. What was that thing called? You previewed it. 

01:16:04 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, it passes yeah previewed it. 

01:16:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's similar without the negative connotation with the name and so she just sells a force for was a four second video asking what what you guys bet on for mlb for three dollars instead, because that's more admirable than I, I like this. 

01:16:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
We're one week removed from me listening to bet the bet the board final podcast, where I was like pretty triggered, yeah, and then I read this article and the triggering reached like a whole new level. It's a it's absurd that that this could be put in print. 

01:16:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, it really. It really is. The first section of our chopping block had some other people triggered maybe a little bit with rob's pick for psg to win the Club World Cup recently against Chelsea. Rob posted a collab with at Joey Kanish on PSG Moneyline. We're in good to minus 140. 

01:17:00
Now, as fun as it would be to dunk on Rob for posting a play that lost and lost pretty handily Chelsea are up 3-0 by halftime I think what's even funnier is the replies here from PYB at Access Sports 21. And this was highlighted by Eddie at Beer Guy Bets. So PYB responded and said I'm in at minus 160. Thanks guys. After you explicitly said good to minus 140, he said in at minus 160 and then, when it lost, had the audacity to come back at your original post and say hashtag, circle back in an attempt to dunk on you. Um, this is this is why, like on we we did when we do basketball content here we literally won't give out a bet that's moved because of people like this, when we say like we cannot tell you what the bet was, because the price is gone and people will still bet it if we give it out. This is the prime example. 

01:17:58
You explicitly said minus 140,. Good too, and you bet minus 160. 

01:18:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Non-zero percent chance. He's like making fun of himself with the circle back callback. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here. He's like even aware that he's posting a worse line than you said, and I think he's even circling back himself. I don't think he's trolling anyone but himself. I agree, yeah, I could be wrong. 

01:18:26 - Jason Cooper (Host)
So I did bet PSG money line. I lost 1400 on it. It was not a big bet but, this is Mike, my favorite thing. 

01:18:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's mid for a mid, four figures four figures. I, I don't know. Would that be mid four figures? Mid four figures? I don't know. Would that be mid four figures? Yeah, no, no, 5,000. Low four figures yeah, low four figures. Mid four figures would be 5,000. Yeah, low four figures. Yeah, low four figures. 

01:18:49 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, there's someone on Twitter called Bortolussi at EnglishMathPhD, I think is his account careful who you care, careful who you give uh promotion to, though why what's the no? 

01:19:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I love. I love bordelucy, but you're gonna get. If he does something I don't he does something bad, I would. I promoted him, adam, and earl show. 

01:19:08 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Ah, here we go love that guy okay, he, he has what, in my opinion, which is one of the funniest sticks that's been going for a long time, and I'm just stealing the bit I'll be, and lots of people are doing this now. By the way, there's that guy, bling bling, that does it. 

01:19:23
There's a million, but he put he takes a video capture of him, max clicking a market at pinnacle all the time and he puts like collab with someone else and he's used me like 20 times this year collab with rob pazola on this hockey play, whatever. I find it hilarious. Kanisha had actually nothing to do with this bet, I just kind of dragged his name through the mud. He just yelled my association but like people think he was associated and he's the mush which makes it even funnier. Um, I normally hate posting picks. I don't even know why I did this, other than that good bet. 

01:19:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I was a good bet. I thought it was. It was a good bet I mean a good bet can lose. 

01:20:00 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, that's true. I mean, I thought it was they're down 3-0 at halftime. We could argue on what a good bet is and what isn't, but I'm going to be doing some more collabs in the future. You got good CLV on. I say it was a good bet, jackie. 

01:20:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Matsuyama, sorry, I say it was a good bet because I was already on it before you posted it. 

01:20:21 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Okay, what did it close? 

01:20:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
What did it close? I actually am not 100% sure. 

01:20:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I mean, this guy says in at minus 160. 

01:20:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Did it close minus 160, or did you just take a shit? 

01:20:29 - Jason Cooper (Host)
price I don't know. 

01:20:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I saw it move past. 

01:20:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I saw it move to minus 145 and I had it much better than I've been on my phone pretty hard on this show because it is open championship monday and I'm leaving the province soon and I gotta get, I gotta figure it out. 

01:20:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Are you on the no fly list? 

01:20:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
oh, you have to post a video of yourself on the airplane as a like do like a parody. 

01:20:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I fly all the time. 

01:20:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You have to do a parody video of what you would expect Nadeau to do on a plane. 

01:21:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I've received a DM saying, without getting the visual evidence, someone saying that I've received they've received a photo of Nadeau on a plane, but it looks fake. 

01:21:16 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Oh, here we go, here we go, oh, here we go. So it's like here we go. Oh, man Can't believe it. 

01:21:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
The next one up on the chopping block is this one that you posted yourself, jeff. It was in regards to the death of partying in the USA and why it matters. Young Americans today spent 70% less time attending or hosting parties than they did at the beginning of the 21st century. Why? This is an article by Derek Thompson. What publication was this Are you aware of? Do you know? No, okay, that's fine. You said the youth are broken hermits. Do you want to elaborate on that? 

01:21:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, they seem boring as fuck. Like I have more friends that probably quit alcohol by the age of like 26. 

01:22:02 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's not a bragging point, I'm not going to like romanticize like keg stands and Jager bombs or whatever, because like whatever To each their own. But what I want to know is like where the rest of this time? Like where does this energy go to? Because in my youth I don't want to make it seem like I'm the biggest part of your, but like we had a lot of parties, like all the time there was a lot to get together, a lot of binge drinking. 

01:22:24
Not saying that's I literally blacked out on a trivia night once because a friend told me I couldn't drink 24 beers over the session. 

01:22:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
and I did, and I was you did not drink 24 over a trivia session. 

01:22:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I don't believe that one. Being bored light beers is good. I don't believe that one. 

01:22:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Being bored on a Friday night and just being like let's crack the absinthe. See, this is what I mean. 

01:22:44 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Like Jason doesn't even believe this is believable. 

01:22:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I just know, you just can't drink. That's the thing. 

01:22:49 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I used to do what was called Atomic Century Club friday night what's that? Blackout drunk. And not only is a shot of beer every minute for 100 minutes. 

01:23:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Every 10th shot was a shot of hard liquor yeah I don't know how I didn't die over the course of it, I called it a power hours. You did it for an hour, every every minute, for an hour, correct? 

01:23:11 - Jason Cooper (Host)
and afterwards I was fucking destroyed. But like, where is the energy going nowadays with the? You like, what do people do? Can? 

01:23:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I just interject this is a derrick thompson sub stack. I don't know who he is, but he's got 230 000 followers I just want to give credit to the public yeah, so credit to that guy. It's um not like a made up stumble on this twitter, the headline I'm assuming you found this screenshot. 

01:23:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Twitter the headline I'm assuming you found this screenshot. Yeah, you didn't find the article. Okay, anyways, I was going to say um, there's just so many other ways to engage and hang out with people nowadays that you don't have to necessarily do it in person. 

01:23:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think that's probably playing a lot into this, where it's the parents it could. 

01:23:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I mean, I think there's a lot of facts, I think that's a big one. I think you're right, like the, the way it's been kind of villainized almost, I think, plays a big part as well, but I I don't know I I'm not far off being in university. Like, definitely like. 

01:24:11 - Jason Cooper (Host)
This article was big the numbers up when I was in college or even younger, like if I came across this article with my friends, we would actually throw a party because of this article. Like I'm not even exaggerating I I'll be honest, I haven't even read the article. 

01:24:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Are you reading it now? No, I'm well, I found the sub stack. I'm not reading anything, I'm reading um. 

01:24:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just saw it on your phone, sorry yeah, well, I, I wanted to properly source it, yeah, but like I'm sitting beside you. 

01:24:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm not actually. I'm not actually reading. I blame parents. I believe parents are such fucking pussies I'll give them the smallest amount of sympathy to say they are feel so much comfort when their children are home at night and not out in what the news and the internet has turned into like the scariest world imaginable out there. I believe parents are not encouraging um their kids. I'm not saying throw the party, but it would be, you know, nice to maybe encourage, have them get a group together. I don't believe the parents are encouraging the children out the door. They feel safe. It is their own feelings that help lead to this technology I think is a big thing, yeah, discord so you cannot underestimate the social the social um media sure 

01:25:36 - Jason Cooper (Host)
like, but like when I play video games with friends. When I was younger, right until like 7 in the morning, we had, for the most part, to get together. We actually, in shooting games, had to design a cardboard box across so you couldn't peek to other people's screens. 

01:25:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
No screen peeking. 

01:25:57 - Jason Cooper (Host)
So we had to do that. Now you don't have to do that. So no screen peeking, yeah. So like we had to do now, you don't have to do that. So technology, I think, plays a big factor as well have you seen the movie project x? 

01:26:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
yes, I believe, and I know it's easy to like wax poetic about like the era for which you're in, yeah, but I feel like rob and I and people in our whatever you'd gap us as, yeah, are the luckiest people ever to have, um, pretty much gotten like two half lives like pre-internet and post-internet, and had a full essentially. Our childhood was essentially full. The internet existed, but the internet takeover hadn't happened yet. Yeah, and unlike our parents who lived a full life without pretty much technology and internet, it was all jarring. And now these kids today who are just a full life with internet, um, I feel so blessed to have beaten the clock that I got to experience childhood before internet. 

01:26:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, fair well said I also got to experience childhood before internet. By the way, I guess social media is more, I think, more than well like to jeff's point. 

01:27:04 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Like I was six years old and I was more technologically capable on a computer, than my dad was, yeah, the only because it came out at the same time and like that's what I would do all day like I had dial up internet. Uh, crazy man. 

01:27:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The only counter to this, the only counter that I find acceptable, is and it is true that you go to the party today, Rob, and you do something silly or stupid. It's just caught on film and now you're fucked. 

01:27:33
Yeah, and it didn't live in this like 12 man 14 person circle that we giggled and secondhand and maybe got a life of its own and went viral in its own way, but visual like I couldn't imagine some of there being visuals to some of the shit that we did and then maybe the punishment or shame and embarrassment that would then come with that. 

01:27:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's where I give. That's really what I will say. This segment, jeff, I'm going to feel bad for you in about like 10, 15 years when you tell one of your kids they can't go to a party. 

01:28:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'll throw the party. 

01:28:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, all right, never mind. 

01:28:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This is on the Internet forever. 

01:28:14 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It's going to be his own birthday party. 

01:28:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
No, I have no, invite all your friends. Sweetie, we're going to have a banger for my birthday, Jeff. 

01:28:22 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I'll be there for your birthday. Don't text me more than once. 

01:28:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm inviting you guys to my birthday. I have never celebrated myself in my life. You should. It's time to change that man. 

01:28:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's time to love yourself. It's okay to celebrate your birthday. 

01:28:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's fine, okay, I just mean like no, like my wife knew, like, oh, like you turn 40, it's like the circuit of parties. 

01:28:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah you, I dare you, I dare you, she doesn't have the ball I mean, if you're, it's just like I hang out, my friends and we drink a lot. 

01:28:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's basically that except now, and that happens enough. I don't need to do it under the guise of celebrating me, we should throw Jeff a surprise birthday party. 

01:29:04 - Jason Cooper (Host)
The 40th, well over 40. 

01:29:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
We'll send out a public invite to Twitter for anyone to show up to the Hammer studio to celebrate his birthday. 

01:29:11 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It's a compliment to you, Jeff, though, that he thought you were. 

01:29:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I thought you were in your early 30s. Sure, I got that the other day too. Yeah, I don't know. They're just buttering me up. 

01:29:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You never know, we might have to share a hotel room, so maybe that's why I'm buttering you up. 

01:29:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Anyways, let's go I'm hoping to make it out alive next topic comes from plus ev analytics, well known on gambling. Twitter sharp better says maybe the true clv is the friends we made along the way. I don't know this is in like references, something specifically way. 

01:29:38 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I don't know if this is in like references something specifically, is it I don't know that it is either so like I think he was just making a joke, honestly, um, but it actually kind of resonated with me in a weird way where I almost wanted to make it a full segment before we said no. 

01:29:49
I like kind of going through this period of um, like the betting journey where, especially with bet bash coming up, and I think about like all the people that I plan to meet at bet bash and do stuff with, these are people that weren't in my life growing up. I've only met them through betting and in a lot of cases, I'd say like 80 of the people that I'm going to spend that week with are not even people that I do any betting with at all. I just kind of enjoyed the company and, um, I don't know, yeah, it's just like oddly made me like reflect on my life a little bit. So, um, I know that he kind of meant I believe he meant it as a joke, but I think there's a lot of seriousness to this. Even like, look at me and feinberg here. Like we grew up through work together, I think a lot of our friendship comes from betting experiences, it's true Even now, like making our way through the fucking world of betting. 

01:30:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I would say our relationship maintained because of betting. Yes, because obviously like we hadn't worked together for a period of time, but we remained in contact through betting. 

01:30:56 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yes, so I think it's a good tweet. I'll give you that Good tweet. 

01:30:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
cv analytics he's going to bet bash he's there every year. Yeah, all right is he asking for? 

01:31:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
is he asking for any comps on his way to bet back? Oh, my god, because, uh, t-bone, we've talked about a lot on this advantage slot player, I think is the best way to describe him. Uh, it was asking jeff benson of circa for comps. He says hey, jeff benson, curious if you could lock up my, look up my account and see if I have enough points you can comp me a general admission bet bash ticket. Jeff says please ask spanky who runs bet bash. Yeah, he makes those decisions, not me. T-bone says glad I didn't ask for acDC tickets, as Benson probably would have said the same Ask ACDC In both my mind. I can use valuable player points to get tickets to any event in Las Vegas, but Spanky Bet Bash Sports is happy with drink tickets. I guess he got dunked on for this. Publicly asking for comps is always going to get you dunked on, I think. 

01:31:54 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Like you got to do it at the end. That was going to be the thing. Listen, obviously we know my uh the history with t-bone over the past uh, few months or so you better not run into him in a dark alley there, rob well, I don't even know that he's gonna be there, unless he gets a comp ticket I have no idea, but like why? Why not just dm the guy? 

01:32:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
like why not just? 

01:32:14 - Jason Cooper (Host)
dm benson on the side, like what is the point of sending that tweet? The the original tweet. 

01:32:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't really understand, although he followed it up with another tweet that was like a meme. That said like imagine paying for a room in Vegas with, like someone laughing at you. I was like I pay for a room in Vegas all the time. Imagine losing so much money in Vegas. They give you free rooms every time you show up. You really screw yourself here by making it public because you put Jeff in an awkward spot. Of course, and not only that you open the door for this to be the gateway for other people no to get made fun of. 

01:32:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
But then it's like 15 other people, no, to get made fun of. 

01:32:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But then it's like, yeah, you know, like 15 other people are asking jeff the same question to your point. It takes like a chutzpah, yeah, as we would say, to want to do it, to do it, you got to do it, you got to do it offline. In theory, though, there is no harm in asking. All All you can do is ask. They have every right to say no. 

01:33:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I agree. 

01:33:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:33:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Ask the DMs next time. 

01:33:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, Also yeah, if you're going to ask in public, don't complain when they say no. 

01:33:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Well that's, he has to say no in public. 

01:33:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, because then everyone's going to ask if he gets a yes. 

01:33:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Do you think he asks this publicly to kind of put more pressure on him? Hope that he said yes and then, if he, if, he said no, then he could complain. 

01:33:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I think you also know he might have known he would say no and he just took it to the chance. 

01:33:44 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You also know what it looks like when you, for weeks, you go after people for being poor and not being able to do x, y and z and you have a rolex and whatever, and now you're asking for a comped 700 ticket to a conference. Oh, I wanted a free room. Can you comp me a general admission Bet Bash ticket $700 general admission Bet Bash ticket Guys walking around wearing a Rolex. 

01:34:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No wonder I did so bad in school. I didn't even read the questions. 

01:34:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
All right, the next one and the final one that we have from the chopping block. This is a video that was heard and seen around the world. It was the Morning Skate who posted this one that we have here at Morning underscore Skate who posted a video of the fight that occurred on a golf course between former NHLer Nick Tarnaski Is that how you say it? Yep, tarnaski, yeah, and he absolutely lit a guy up on a golf course. This is a local course to us, is it not? I think it's. 

01:34:44 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Western Canada? I haven't been able to figure it out for sure. Did you figure? 

01:34:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
out which course it was. No, I didn't care enough. 

01:34:49 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I think it's Western Canada. 

01:34:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, anyways, we believe it is in Canada and it was this former NHLer just absolutely lighting up a guy who was drunk on the golf course over a dispute. Mark Mathot, former NHL player, says Tarnaski even gave that loser the courtesy of avoiding the pavement and tossing him back in the grass during the fight of True Gentleman Spittin' Chicklet posted about as well. Nick Tarnaski fed some lunch on the golf course and gave a good lesson on not to chirp a former NHLer. At4playpod says playing slow, then running your mouth at a former NHL player. Plays stupid games, wins stupid prizes. 

01:35:29
Play a round of 18 ending up getting bitch tossed by a guy who had 173 penalty minutes in 36 games is such a bad bounce. Uh, this what? This is a fantastic video. I know jeff and rob, I know you guys absolutely love this video. I love this heat daddy account, so this was really funny as well. Um, talk us through how. Why do you like the video so much? 

01:35:57 - Jason Cooper (Host)
it's just a. It's I don't know. It's just amazing like I've. I've watched this video no short of 50 times, like the full, the full two and a half minute video. I watched it so many times because first I thought it was a local course, I thought it was like the 17th hole at copper creek, so I was like I was checking it out. It's just amazing. The first I was trying to decipher what really happened. But I mean, the guy's like way behind pace. He doesn't want to move out of the way and let these guys play through. They're berating him. And then he tried to stand up for himself. Which bold move to stand up for yourself against a guy of that size. But once he started going at him in his face, guy said he was gonna throw him in the fucking creek. He did, he did. It's amazing, it's so good the best. 

01:36:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The best was the toss, where, like, there's like a freeze frame of him and he's literally flying. 

01:36:45 - Jason Cooper (Host)
We gotta get that. 

01:36:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So yeah, we gotta put that up somewhere in studio. 

01:36:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh man, yeah the guy had plenty of opportunity grab, like the guy wasting the time, he didn't have a club in his hand. I know I'm a t-box, but also on top of that, you're a club in his hand he had the tee box, but also on top of that you're a two and they're a four. 

01:37:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
How the fuck are you playing that slow for a four to catch up to you? 

01:37:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He has admitted he was very drunk and he hasn't apologized online. Get moving? 

01:37:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, move. And where the fuck is the marshal? Yeah that. Also, if you're going to be slow, Just let them play through. It has zero effect on you. Shrink the goddamn game. Yeah, shrink. 

01:37:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Shrink the goddamn game. Yeah, oh, my God, don't get me wrong. I get like blood flows to my dick when I get a disciplinary committee email from my golf club. Yeah, to know that, like rules were broken, punishments are being doled out. Yeah, wow, rules were broken, punishments are being doled out. Yeah, wow, the william kasuf of local golf over here, oh, I, I, I, I see any of the. I like the guy who runs a disciplinary committee at my club. He literally walks around with a notebook, like he's got it, like you want to say something to him about something you said. Like even as little as those ladies didn't write the bunker. 

01:37:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That's when the blood flows to his dick man. 

01:38:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, that's not going to get a disciplinary committee email. 

01:38:03 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You purposely put some footsteps in the greenside bunkers every now and then, not a chance, not a chance, never. 

01:38:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That means I'd have to like go in them. But yeah, so I shrink the game. I would die if I don't even know what I'd do. 

01:38:22 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I mean, I think that what resonates with me is this has happened to every person who plays golf before. You get stuck behind slow people and you're fucking pissed off and you're like what's taking these fucking guys so long? But I personally don't have the balls to drive up to the next tee box and be like what the fuck? Sometimes I'll wave and be like can I play through? And normally everyone says yes, yeah, right, that's my experience, but this in one instance where somebody said no to me, what would I do? I wouldn't do nothing. I would just be like fuck, I'm stuck, I'm gonna skip a hole then. Or I'm gonna call the clubhouse and like and this guy beat the fuck out of them and it was amazing, that's what I really enjoyed about it. 

01:38:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
To be fair though, he the guy was asking for 100 it wasn't even like he apologized. 

01:39:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Like I said, he apologized yeah, he apologized. 

01:39:04 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I mean, he's an internet meme for the rest of his life. 

01:39:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There was time to end this get in your cart and go or just hit the fucking ball or just get moving. Sit in your cart and be drunk for a little bit and let them play through you like you're obviously so slow that it doesn't fucking matter like what you're playing. Like they said they were so hammered. They said they played 36 holes. I don't see how they did that. 

01:39:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
But it's like jeff said people don't want to go party because they're scared of the video that might surface of them when they get drinking this is what can happen when full circle moment when you drink a little too much. 

01:39:32 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's hosting right there what you just did there, that'll do it for us here at circle back today. 

01:39:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in. Please hit the like button if you enjoyed this episode. Subscribe for more content like this. We'll be back later on in the week, on friday, for more circle back with that crew. We hope to see you there.