00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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00:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions it's circle back right here on the circles off youtube channel, part of the hammer betting network and presented by underdog. I am your host, rob pazola. To my left it's not kirk evans today he's away. Takes by jay jason cooper rocking the mullet, which a lot of people have been talking about recently side profile it's not as bad in person, okay, as I when I like, because you've been at the on tv at the least game a few times with some side profile it looked like a really joe dirt but it's it's, it's okay, I'm gonna. 

01:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm gonna quickly defend myself. It was pissing rain that day for the least game, so it kind of fucked up the hair. Someone told me I have a bad hairline. Comment below, if I do. 

01:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was like no, I have a bad hairline. You do not have a bad hairline. 

01:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, no, no. 

01:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Kirk Evans in your chair usually has a bad hair. No, it was a response to a tweet of you guys. I wasn't even in the tweet. You have a bad hairline Like I don't know. 

01:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You tell me if you agree with that. You like, before playoff games you have to get, like, get your hair done. Now You're on TV all the time. 

01:48 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
We'll see. I don't know if I'm going to a playoff game, but we'll see. 

01:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's because I'm here. 

01:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He doesn't want to sit around me when I ask him to be going to a playoff game. 

02:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, He'll be there, jeff Feinberg, of course, one of our regulars, jacob Grimenya, producing today, and it's going to be an eventful show because we're coming off of a pretty amazing sporting event that happened over the course of the weekend. Jacob, you can lead us in here with McElroy's moment. 

02:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, the introduction for the show. Today we're talking about the Masters. Rory McElroy finally completes the career Grand Slam his 11th attempt to do so at the Masters. This was his 17th overall attempt at the Masters in general, but finally did get over the line. Before we go into all the tweets, though, just obviously Rob Jeff, big golf fans, just sum up I guess what is it about Rory McIlroy that has everyone so infatuated with him and wanting to see him win? 

02:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Me and Jeff. We had this conversation off-air a month ago. What tournament was Rory in the mix in and kind of blew it? Remember we were talking. 

03:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I was making the argument that rory mackerel was after he won the players and he like he didn't win good enough or he didn't play well enough on sunday, so he had to go to a playoff. But it was more like even when rory wins, he still like hasn't done enough. He can only like win which isn't enough right, lose which he gets destroyed for, and it's just all about the majors. But yeah, go for it. 

03:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, it's been a decade for where he's been. He's been trying to complete the grand slam, so it's just been building year after year after year. So there's a really long buildup for one. But I've always kind of made the argument that Rory is is this generations Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus, but he's not as good as either one. So he's always been held in that high standard for this generation and this is like I'm glad Rory got the Grand Slam done. I'm actually really happy. 

03:59
I was very emotional actually watching the final round of the Masters, which is weird, but he's always been held in a regard in opinion that the expectations are just too lofty for the actual quality of golfer that he is. And even like you, look at the masters conversation now, right this, this past one he fucking won the masters. I don't care how he did it, he won the masters. You could talk about all the ups and downs. He choked the putt on 18. He double bogeyed the first hole. Who gives a shit? He won the masters. You could talk about all the ups and downs. He choked the putt on 18. He double bogeyed the first hole. Who gives a shit? He won. That's what everyone was saying. You can't. He's got to win the masters to solidify himself as an all-time great. 

04:32
He did it and even after the fact, a minority of the conversation afterwards, I will say, is still about how like well he tried to gag it away, but he, you know, he couldn't quite get there. Like you know, if Patrick Reid didn't miss a couple putts, he would have been in the mix for the playoffs, like there's always this secondary conversation, uh. But I, I personally thought that this Masters maybe recency bias here, but I would say it was maybe a. It was a top five sporting event that I've watched in my life and a couple weeks ago I talked about how I wasn't around the night where duke got ousted and blew it against houston. I. I missed being on twitter that day. I was on twitter all the final round of the masters on sunday. It was fucking epic. 

05:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was to me, it was great I texted you at 7 am yesterday morning telling you, rob, I think this is going to be one of the biggest sporting days of our lives. Nothing to do with like a bet or a favorite team. I like Rory. I like Rory a lot, but he's not like a favorite team, but I just wanted it so bad for him. I got emotional so many times during that round. Um, you would have thought I was like on menopause or something like when 13 happened. Like not just for rory. Like rose hitting the putt on 18, I know got me like, like, like. 

05:59
this is just like I was having so much fun and I was like I couldn't handle it. I truly couldn't. 40 years old, probably on the quick path to diabetes. I don't keep myself in the greatest health. I love life, live good. When I go, when my number's called, it'll be called. My number will for sure be called before something like yesterday happens again. It was pretty incredible. It truly gives the day out that was a once in, certainly a generation, but maybe a lifetime sort of Sunday. It was everything, and I love golf. 

06:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My brother texted me and he's like, is it just me or was that the best round of golf you ever watched? Like I'm like, I think it's. It's insane, from like like the double to start and him losing the lead immediately, then going on a run and then kind of the ups and downs of the entire round were insane. I will say, part of me when I was putting together the script for today, I was like I watched this, watched this, jeff, you know, was definitely in it. I thought to myself I'm like there's a decent chance that Jason was probably watching the Leafs game at five o'clock against the Carolina Hurricanes instead of the Masters. 

07:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, actually I had a family dinner during the Masters but I was propped up phone on the glass watching. I was honestly like listen, I'm not the biggest golf fan, but not that I'm not a fan of it. I just don't watch that much golf. But I was watching and it was pretty cool to see. I was bothered by the stuff I saw on Twitter with people trying to take stuff away from Rory. 

07:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
As if going through the ups and downs, I did. I didn't see it and I am inherently in golf Twitter and I didn't see that from golf Twitter. That must have been in like rage baby. 

07:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're more in golf Twitter and I'm more in gambling Twitter, and I think a lot of people were rooting for other people that were in the mix, as was I. I bet Bryson, I bet Patrick, I had three guys. I bet Corey Connors and I think a lot of it was stemmed from the rooting interest not being Rory from a gambling perspective. 

08:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I get the betting aspect of it. I had a lot of read stuff too. Thankfully Bryson choked. He cashed me my top live ticket. A lot of sweats were happening alongside at the top, but I don't know. 

08:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's just like a Philly sports fan who would find the worst in any moment yeah, that's like that I don't even that, doesn't even fucking register like I and and there are very few times where I can cheer against my bets like it that doesn't happen to me often like for perspective, if any of of bryson connor's or reed wins at bare minimum, I'm winning like 34k okay. So it's not insignificant money, it matters. But I I like, literally, was thinking the entire, especially the putt on 18 that he missed. I, I, as a human being, I'm like this guy needs to win, because I and like this sounds insane because if he finished second he's gonna make a few million bucks he's still gonna be considered a great, but but like you could feel the pressure of that moment for him. You know what I'm getting yeah, did you? 

09:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
did you feel like he was gonna miss when he was stepping up to that putt like deep down in your body? Yes, I looked at that. I want you you to know that I'm like he's missing. 

09:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I did, he's missing and I got to tell you though maybe the biggest pre-tournament outright bet I ever placed was last year's US Open on Rory Okay, and he gagged a couple that day so I'd scar tissues or that. But after that, like as a guy who loves rory, wants to see him a win. The major b have gotten this grand slam, so we don't have to talk about it and the master's just he's so likable and we get him forever and that's what makes the masters and winning it different. I felt watching yesterday more nervous than when I had that bet a year ago. After the after last year I said I'm not bet, I don't need to bet Rory to win a major. I'll be happy for him if he does. 

10:06
Obviously, I wish I bet him yesterday, but I had feels that were bigger than my US Open feels a year ago. So I don't know. I think it's incredible for golf. I think it's great for the PGA. I think it's exactly what they needed. I think it's great for the PGA. I think it's exactly what they needed and Bryson should be thanking Rory McIlroy, not trying to turn something of. He didn't talk to me like it's an episode of Breaking 50, like my buddy Pat Mayo pointed out. 

10:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But Rory's day was a shield for. 

10:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Bryson yes, 100%, because Bryson with a mediocre day has a shield for Bryson. Yes, 100 because Bryson with a mediocre day has a green jacket yesterday. Yeah, so everything that Rory did has literally protected Bryson from certain criticisms he should potentially have been walking into today. 

10:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I'm a Bryson fan. I like, I don't not like him. No, I I so I admittedly am a big Bryson fan. I won a huge golf future on him many years ago which kind of paved the way to me growing my bankroll very quickly, which helped. Plus, I love his YouTube content. I think he's fantastic. I tried so hard to get him on Circles Off and it was so close and then he won the US Open. Rory's supposed to talk to him like rory's been. 

11:24
No, I'm not saying that, so we just asked him a question and he answered the question. I don't, I don't, I don't think it's anything more than that. No, I don't think rory's supposed to talk to him. It's competitive. Rory could do whatever the fuck he wants, but he was asked like what rory's? 

11:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
but then even like cut off, cut off the follow-up. To be like to even cut off the follow-up. To be like to even cut off the follow-up question. To just make it clear he wasn't talking to me at all, but what was he supposed to do in that situation? 

11:52 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Because it's either he says he wasn't talking to him or they didn't speak at all. We didn't speak, and he comes off as an asshole, though, as if he wasn't trying to talk to Rory. We get it. Rory was in the zone and he has to be in the zone, based off his history right. 

12:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think he could have done a better job of delivering a more PR-friendly answer where he's like listen, the guy was in the zone. I tried to talk to him, he wasn't having any of it. That's fine. 

12:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And I will defend, because I'll shit on Marco Morikawa all the time easily. But we're not that show. It's a different show. I do that show separately. No one football basketball show. That's a different show. I do that show separately. Um, no one football basketball. Baseball, no one has to. When they choose to talk to the media, it is in a shorter time period from finishing to the media than in any other sports. Uh, now, they're not obligated to, and that's a thing. But when they choose to, it is then in a position where it is literally like practically walking off the field and there's only one guy that wins. So you have just a potpourri of opinions from a lot of guys. So I'll defend your points. Like, yes, like these guys don't even get like a five-minute cool down. You ask them a question. He answered the question. 

13:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The alternative is the Colin Morikawa of don't answer questions. Well, no, that's not even choosing to talk because you blew like the air. He had a very disappointing round. Did Bryson Very disappointing? He was leading the Masters after two holes in the final round and his irons let him down, completely fell apart over the course of the day. 

13:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But no, but he also knows had he played average, he's where he has a green jacket right now. 

13:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
What is potpourri? What did you say there? You're not familiar with potpourri. 

13:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, this is not a bit. This is a completely real honest moment. 

13:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't even know how to explain it. 

13:43 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
This is like another Jeffism that I love. 

13:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, See you calling potpourri, a Jeffism is ridiculous. I don't know exactly. It would give off a good fragrance. Oh, you're saying potpourri. No, that would be like a product. That is like no, it's a fragrance. 

14:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, but potpourri you put in your toilet or whatever that's because of potpourri. 

14:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Potpourri is a play on potpourris. Okay, my bad. 

14:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's like dried plants that give off an odor, but it's like a consortium of different dried plants. 

14:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Okay, well, I'm sorry, I never heard it used like that, but I used it together A potpourri of reasons. 

14:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I would say a cornucopia it together. 

14:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
A potpourri of reasons I would say a cornucopia. 

14:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, that makes more sense Of reasons. 

14:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
But potpourri is a bunch of different dry. 

14:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I get it. I got it. I didn't find it unusual, I never heard it, but I got it. 

14:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I found it unusual that you thought you knew of potpourri. 

14:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, well, that Okay, he texted. 

14:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What did I text you? No, it was nice because obviously you don't watch golf a lot, so obviously you're just in on the majors and you're like okay, Feinberg, hear me out. What if it was like red zone but for golf and I even think you even gave it a name We'll call it green zone. 

15:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
And I'm like. 

15:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Jason, yeah, and I'm like Jason. No, I'm talking quad box? 

15:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, but they cut to the action so quickly. 

15:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, but he's on the regular and I'm like Jason, like golf fans, like we've been screaming about this on my podcast for like 10 years. You are literally a kid who put you just put French fries in his hamburger and think he invented it. 

15:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, I did say that, but I think it's a good idea. I think there should be a second channel with a greater extent of coverage, with eight different shots at once. I want to see everything. 

15:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Well, the Masters is different. They make you work hard. 

15:34 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
We're pretty lucky in Canada though I'm not going to, but on a regular week-to-week PGA. 

15:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If you actually liked it, you's okay. They make you dance for your food. 

15:42 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Okay, I quickly, if we're good, before we move on to the next time. I want to get your opinions on the. I think it was the PGA account tweeting out the video of Rory Talking about how he likes his suit or his jacket fitted. What was your opinion on that on the day, on the Sunday morning? 

15:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, of the masses, you guys see that well, I think they asked him that question prior to the of course. Oh, he doesn't know if he's a 40 or if he's a 38 or whatever, but like, yeah, they're just, I think they have that. 

16:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That is like when it's the world series and like everyone has to do. Like the video, yeah, but right for like the chiron stuff, yeah, and they have 20 players in there and they ask them a question about what jacket you wear and if you're contending, yeah, they have yours to use. Like I don't, I think you be. 

16:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What did you think of the Chiron guy putting up for the career Grand Slam? 

16:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
on the final I've never, Well, I like that. It's like in tennis, where it's like championship point, it's not just match point. Now it's championship point. This is different. 

16:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I loved it, but it was like it really caught me. It's like a weird thing to catch on the close kudos. 

16:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Cbs thought they did a fantastic job. There was a couple moments where I thought the early in the round where the audio on putts was a little off I feel like you could hear the crowd reacting before the putt but they fixed that. It happened one or two twice. It's a sin, it's a crime, but it didn't happen again and this was early and it's not easy to do. I thought they did a banger job yesterday. 

17:11 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Good for you for picking up on that little nuance in the broadcast. 

17:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Well, there's a difference between you know the roars in the distance, yes, and then you know the roars with the holes at hand, and then what would happen is it was delayed. 

17:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Like the video was delayed Slightly. 

17:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But then the guy would miss the putt and you'd hear the exact same pitch and tone of the the ahs. Yeah, but it was the exact same. Yes, so you knew that. Oh, that was literally. So Someone got in trouble quickly. They fixed it Okay. 

17:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But yeah, trouble quickly they fixed it okay uh. But yeah, incredible job. I look forward to breaking down uh rory's master's uh dinner menu next year on the show. That'll be an interesting one. 

17:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I was thinking the same what? 

17:52 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
what are we? I don't know what. Northern irish cultural yorkshire, I don't know. I actually don't know what. I don't know what they'll do either, do I like? That's why I'm very much looking forward to it. 

18:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
a few tweets that caught my eye over the course of the week. This one's from Blesbets. This was on Thursday, it wasn't on Sunday. He said I don't get why people love watching the Masters. Golf is so boring to me, which obviously, as a golf fan, bothered me. But it's not that he finds golf boring because you can find golf boring. 

18:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You're allowed to Golf can be slow and boring, yeah, in. 

18:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Slow and boring yeah, in my head. I don't love tennis. I don't love watching tennis on TV. But when I can watch a Grand Slam final between two great competitors I grew up with Federer, nadal, djokovic and some epic battles I would wake up in the middle of the night to watch some of the Australian Open stuff. I would still. You just can't recreate that. 

18:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You like sports, so much you can respect the stakes and the situation and what's involved, even if it's not your favorite sport. It happens all the time, like almost with Olympics or something you get drawn into an event that you really couldn't give a shit about. 

19:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I just don't like when people put these takes out there. 

19:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It almost feels like engagement baiting it is 100 rage bait man this is also the most like zoomer take on earth. 

19:11 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Like this is like you're still 16 years old and you like haven't figured out what patience is yet, so you're like can't watch golf. It's like grow up a bit c plus, I don't love. 

19:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't love mma, but like I'll watch the biggest uf events, I think you can find. 

19:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but it's not even why people love watching the Masters. 

19:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't get why people love watching the Masters. How about? It's the Super Bowl of golf. It's that simple. That's why people watch the Masters. It's literally people who don't care about golf still watch it. 

19:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's that simple. Any big sporting event you'll find a tweet like this it's like you're still watch it. It's that simple. 

19:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Any big sporting event, you'll find a tweet like this it's right rage bait. You know there was a few others, uh, this one I johnny actually sent this to me, um, on the weekend I think this was before the final round, but yeah, claire rogers tweeted golf fans for the next four hours and it's just this image of uh, we're so back it's over we're so back, it's over. This literally could not apply better to Rory's final round. Like it is the perfect imagery Like hole 13,. 

20:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Then was it hole 16?. 

20:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It started hole one, Hole one. Oh yeah, hole one. 

20:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was so crazy. 

20:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
sometimes you forget the first chapter. I hope it's true. 

20:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You know what it was I actually. I was on the road, I was watching on my phone and I wasn't in the country to watch until the second hole, so I missed the first hole. 

20:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But I'm just saying it was. But literally even for me you try to live back the day and just yeah, the swings, what a shit show. 

20:39 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Hold on, sorry, was it not? Passover this weekend? Yeah, passover, sorry, was it not? 

20:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Passover this weekend. Yeah, passover this weekend. 

20:42 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Did you, were you like, have Passover dinner during the Masters or you like, organized it so that wouldn't happen? I'm in the West Wing, okay, what? 

20:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
does that mean? It means no one's ball in the ring. Okay okay, sorry, sorry, I'm Eliyahu, okay, okay. Okay, there's a seat for me. The door is open for me Okay, sorry they don't and even last night, I'll say it devolved it like just usually is in, like the nice dining room all set up and it was just like children and women eating, and all the men were, you see what he? 

21:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
tried to do there, though he tried to get you. 

21:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I didn't try. He tried to get you like live on the show. No, I just asked the question. 

21:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Buddy, everyone is on notice. Like major buddy, everyone is on notice. Like major championship golf, I guess. Yeah, hitman, get up for it, but like week one in majors like don't even fuck with me. 

21:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, um, I I love ta's tweet of. I have to say, the no phones at augusta leading to live reactions on the manual board is awesome. It's like the old nfl I. I love that about the masters, how there's just so many people gathered around like watching the scoreboard change in real time and the electric reactions. Hitman said professional football and a close golf tournament are the two most entertaining sporting events. Number three has a lot of ground to make up. I will say he got ratioed pretty hard on this from people who were going in saying have you ever watched the nhl playoffs? Which I didn't really realize. Um, because I'm a big hockey fan, but I didn't realize that the nhl playoffs were considered that. I mean jeff stuck his tongue out and discussed right there. 

22:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I mean, I honestly yeah, but I'm of this opinion, like even professional football, like at what stakes? Like the stakes the super bowl often sucks yeah, you know, like sure, the great ending of the bills chiefs games like absolutely enthralling, yeah, but I don't know it's kind of two weird things to put together. 

22:36 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Professional football like you are using incredibly wide net and then it closed, but also the nhl playoffs is a wide net that's true, it's like saying, like day one of March, madness. Or like week zero college football. 

22:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, what are Hitman's passions? Betting football and playing golf. No shit, he likes both of those things and number three has a lot of Choose your own adventure. 

22:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Whatever, of course, choose your own adventure. 

23:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I do try to think of. I think anything at high stakes can be extremely entertaining, doesn't matter what. 

23:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Your fucking boring ass Italy games Zero, zero. I could have no money, but the stakes are high. Yes, I am not a fan of it, but I get it, I respect it and I'm into it. 

23:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've literally seen Jacob watching finals of like big darts events. 

23:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That was actually honestly pretty electric. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. 

23:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's got one on right now. He's watching darts right now he actually has it on. 

23:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is what I mean. This is actually the final of a little tournament. 

23:34 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Is this 17-year-old playing now or is he 18 now? 

23:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He sat out this tournament. 

23:38 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He's managing his schedule. This isn't a big tournament. 

23:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's crazy. That's crazy. Do they get? 

23:42 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
tennis elbow, or is it called darts elbow? 

23:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's a good question. No, they don't get that sort of information. 

23:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think there's two elbows. 

23:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I think, there's tennis elbow and golf elbow and it depends on which way you can rotate. What if you can hit it right down there? Do you get both? 

23:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I would just say that the respect that a wife for the most part gives the super bowl, yeah, I would say um like weeks there's like week one of nfo sunday and master sunday are um probably more 140 I think this like they need to learn that we might, like I said, many times, when we get together in the summer, you know, like barbecues with the wives, I'm like the meme. 

24:25
I'm talking to my friend's wives in the corner, boring her, letting her know like certain things she's got to realize, like they're not, they're important, yeah. And she like the respect she gives a super bowl. 

24:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
She has to pass that respect along to other things, yeah on friday my wife was like what we got going on this weekend and and I'm like Sunday, consider me a write-off. She's like all day. I'm like well, there's the Bahrain Grand Prix. I'm a big Formula One fan, it's on at 11 am and then I'm like Masters Sunday. She's like Masters, we're doing that again, you're doing that again. 

25:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm like babe, my wife dated so long. 

25:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know and I would have just called you Jeff. I would have said, jeff, you're talking to Diana, let her talk but listen. 

25:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
and if, diana, if you're going to keep pressing this issue, when I get Rob on the phone I'm going to recommend he toss himself down the stairs. 

25:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I established early like sports are are always gonna be part of my life. 

25:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's just you gotta do it when you, when you, yeah, like, obviously, like, don't even bother me. Week two, when it's we're playing the Carolina Panthers, well, that's the problem listen, I'm gonna. 

25:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I feel bad, come on. 

25:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I feel bad cause I get the whole football season like she knows. I get it like it's thursday night football and it's fucking okay. Titans jags I'm watching. Yeah, it doesn't matter and guess what? 

25:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
my baseline is okay, dad, major championship weekend. 

25:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Absentee dad just make up for it in other ways. 

25:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, we'll make it up for it in other ways. I think, uh, yeah, yeah, can we just go take him out of school, go to a ball game this week, maybe quickly. 

26:04 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I want to know where you guys rank. Like. Where is watching the Masters live rank in terms of live sporting events to go to? 

26:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What would you think I was going to say? 

26:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I thought you were going to make a stupid joke about week zero college football and ask us to compare the Masters, so I have to go but I will say this right now I don't think I'd want to be there on a Sunday but I will do it at least one time. 

26:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
But I'm going to go. 

26:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You have to follow it. 

26:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I've earned to treat myself to a full fucking week. I don't care, I've earned it okay and I will do it. But the thought of sitting three holes away staring at a scoreboard waiting for it to turn Like I could get how a non-golf fan thinks that is the dumbest fucking thing in the world. Like I get, you're sitting and walking around a cool place but, like you're not watching the event, you're sitting three holes away and you don't have your phone to even keep up with it. 

26:57
But, that being said, it's like quaint, it's the pageantry of it. The no phone is amazing. 

27:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is amazing, I would adore it. 

27:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It just seems so incredible. Rory even said I love the no phone. I'm from a guy who took a fan's phone a couple months ago. I get it, rob, but here's the thing the days I do get to go, I will literally first man in one of the last men out. I will literally first man in one of the last men out. Like every moment of every day that security allows me to just wander, I will like wander. 

27:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I try to avoid like big crowds wherever possible. I'll go to concerts and stuff like that and that's like if I'm in the pit, that's like the closest I'm going to get to a big crowd. But like I see like the really old concerts, like if I'm in the pit, that's like the closest I'm going to get to a big crowd. But like I see like the really old concerts like Woodstock back in the days, I have no interest in being amongst that many people. If I was at the Masters this year, I would have been watching Justin Rose at the driving range Like there was no one there. He's literally at the range and there 10 people sitting him. What. I would have been there Cause I'm more interested in seeing like golfers up close than I am being part of standing. You know a fucking mile away. 

28:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, it wouldn't even have been that. 

28:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
it was way more than that. No, I'm just but think about how how slow the final holes played, like Rory had to wait to tee off on it. It was like that's not my. 

28:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I want was, like, that's not my. I want to go to like walk, and as much as I'd want to be there for tournament play, a practice rounds there would also just be outstanding because you can get, get a little close and you just like walking around there, I think is what you want to do. 

28:36
But I've never heard someone who went and said they had a bad time. Yeah, now, maybe that could be because they like spent so much money or they feel a responsibility to just like they sign a contract, maybe to walk on it. It's like when you leave, you have to say everything was amazing, but I've never heard of someone who was there like complain about the things I'm complaining about thinking about at home. It's true, so it does actually seem like it is like certainly the number one sporting experience I'm going to take in. 

29:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But there are sporting events that I've been to before where I had a great time but said to myself afterwards I probably would have been better off just being on the couch watching that. 

29:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Going to an NFL game at 40 now seems like the worst experience of my life. 

29:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would like to experience the Masters in like like I'd like to experience the masters in person. I'd like to do it. It's a bucket list item for me I would like to be there for. But I can imagine that I would do it once and then be like, okay, that was, that was great, but I'm gonna watch the rest yeah, I don't know if I could want to watch sun. 

29:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm a neurotic freak and like, here's the thing. I love the masters and it seems like what people say when they go is everyone is just so happy to be there. You're like, yes, the world is so toxic, but if you have a pass you're just so friendly to one another. But I don't know that I'd be an ideal patron. I'm never like mashed potato guy can go to hell If anything that ever came out of my mouth when I've been at a golf tournament is encouraging a player. But like minwoo, lee chips in on like 11 and I'm like we're cooking we're cooking. 

30:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've seen you at golf events before jeff it's uh, you're definitely not the ideal augusta patron, I'll tell you no, but that's the thing. 

30:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob like I clean up nice, like you know where you are, like I know how to, yeah you know, you know what you got you gotta do. But um, yeah, I don't know. You've never seen me say like a negative word to a player in my life. 

30:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, no, no, but I like I don't take this too offensively, but loud and obnoxious. 

30:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I've seen that before oh, but I was really. You're like 15 years, I was really drunk, tommy fleetwood yeah, yeah, but but hold on, we're friends. 

30:43 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, you're talking, you're like 15 years. 

30:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I was really drunk. Tommy Fleetwood, yeah, yeah, but hold on, we're friends. 

30:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're talking about. 

30:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You walked a Canadian Open with Tommy Fleetwood's dad a couple years ago and he remembered you Hold on though, but you're saying like, yeah, no, that was like me in an all-day drinking tent at the Honda, like 10 years ago. But it was just encouraging. 

31:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Me telling a guy he's gonna win the masters. 

31:08 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yes, that's rude. 

31:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, it was it was a little pressure. It was really no, but it was really two months before the masters? Yeah, I don't think it was the pressure, it just it was. It was just the, the delivery, it was just very loud, like extremely. 

31:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was more loud like yes, because the phone is like beside okay, on the phone. 

31:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You got his you got Tommy walking and he was recording someone else was recording, oh okay, and you said you're going to win the masters this year but me and Tommy are boys. 

31:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I saw a video the embrace we had after we blew the Canadian open what an embrace. 

31:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Before we move on to the next topic, I do want to shout this out because it's my favorite piece of content that comes out every single year, which is chris vernon's uh masters updates, which happened in the first couple rounds, uh, or just the thursday potentially can't remember exactly first two days first two days yeah because I it. I forget that this exists once the masters goes away, and then it comes back the next year and I'm reminded of how good it is. I actually think this is one of the best like the delivery of this content. 

32:16
It actually upsets me that I never thought about doing something like this. I know what it sounds like, jeff, but it's so good that I wish what it sounds like, jeff, I completely understand, but it's so good that I wish it was me that was able to. But no one can copycat it now because it's so unique. You know what I'm getting at Well. 

32:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I would say this For everything that is a hit these days, people do try to replicate it. This is so good and so original. This bit is so original and been hit on the nose that no one will even dare try it. I know Because you would have to literally hit a hole in one for Pete. Like you either hit a hole in one or it's shit, so there's like it's almost not worth it. But that's just the credit to it is. It is content so perfect it can't even be copycatted at this point, like people don't even attempt it. 

33:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So you shouldn't, you shouldn't. There's no you. To me it is not a 10 out of 10, it's like a 20 out of it is so good I watch, I watch it back like four times over and I know it's so repetitive, but it's still so funny the way that jokes continue from year to year like not being able to rhyme anything with Xander Shoffley, and then he always finds something to rhyme with Shoffley. I think it's just—. 

33:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And I feel like he's lost some weight because I just see him once a year, so it's like that relative. You see it, one gathering. He looks slimmer than I saw him a year ago. 

33:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He does once a year. So it's like that relative. You see, at one gathering it looks slimmer than us on a year ago he does, uh, but anyways, I mostly negative on the show. Some positivity. I think that's a really, really good piece of content. Before we move on to our next topic, let me tell you about our sponsor here at circle back. 

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35:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Next topic we got here feels like a bit of a Black Mirror episode, but for gamblers. This one was a lot of divided opinions on it, but it comes from Ryan Butler at Butler Bets, who says the spouse of a recently deceased DraftKings customer with roughly 100,000 in separate futures on the Boston Celtics are actually they might be the favorite, at least one of the very big favorites to win the NBA championship. They're the big favorites to come out of the Eastern Conference. They're the two seed right now but are favored over the one-seed Cleveland Cavaliers. So this sparked a lot of opinions. Like it says in the tweet, the sportsbook had this request as well, but these positions, naturally, are a lot more valuable than the $100,000. But more of the conversation kind of shifted to the idea of your spouse not letting your bets ride which wasn't what I was expecting. 

36:21
But Stadco Stan said that's a tough situation. Credit to the regulators and DraftKings for doing the right thing. Grief's heavy enough without sweating. Futures exposure on the Celtics T-Bone said at Vegas T-Bone if I die with any futures bets, please don't let my family void them. Let them ride, uh, ian mcmillan. Ian mcbets says if, if my wife doesn't write out my futures when I die, I'm gonna haunt the shit out of her and then stephy smalls says you can say a lot about me, but I would never fucking do this to my future husband. 

36:53
I'm bringing your ass into the game we sweating this shit together. So, okay, we'll start here and then we'll go to where I thought this was actually going to go. But, yeah, you guys, if you guys had big futures bets riding on something like the Celtics and you pass away, do you want that bet to continue? Do you want to let that ride? 

37:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I not only want the bet to ride when I'm dead, I want in the will to my children that they must make my shitty bets in perpetuity. 

37:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like bet the Chargers every year. 

37:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, you are right. No, no, no, it's part of your estate. 

37:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You set money aside to bet the Chargers. This money is for the Super bowl. 

37:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If you don't, if the chargers make the super bowl and you're not there with my grandson, then you don't get your money. But yeah, like sure, throw on. Uh, yeah, I want you to keep making my shitty bets even when I'm dead. So obviously, those pendings better ride I'm. 

37:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm very interested in the backstory of this all because this man dies. So how does the wife know about the futures tickets for one? Then what is her move? Does she go straight to the sports book? At that point, DraftKings definitely sees like, well, these are actually really good bets. 

38:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's got great EV on these bets, so yeah of course Sure, let's void them. 

38:14
And are they obligated to be like? Are you sure, ma'am, you have a strong position here? Is that on the moral? Did you reach out to his VIP host? How does this even work? Is there not like if I died? Let's just put it, and I have the futures. I have enough friends who my wife is close enough that know we're like-minded to be like. Jeffrey has these futures. What should I do? And they would look at them and be like Ashley, I'd advise you this or that, like that's what I'm like. How is there no middle person between her and the sports book that she would have asked about? What's going on here? 

38:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I wonder if, like, I wonder if she had access to the account, or even if she knows how to work an account because, like, I assume there would be a cash out there for this. No, yeah, but she would be. 

39:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe she needed the cash and go to on or someone else's name, like that's a violation of. Is that? Oh yeah? Maybe you can't. I can't log it like god forbid. Jeff passes away and I have his account numbers. I can't go cash out his bet for him so that his his wife makes more money that's a violation of terms. 

39:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
And also, how would? How would she have? If she does cash it out, how would she have withdrawn the money for someone who is like yeah, like, obviously the cash out was more there's no doubt that, that she got rich. 

39:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Can I just ask a? 

39:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
question Because it's actually really important. I don't know whether it's discussed, but it should absolutely be clarified. It's $100,000, right, yeah, $500,000. 

39:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
$100,000. 

39:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
$100,000 on their nose $100,000 on nine different bets. 

39:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Roughly $100,000 in separate futures, let's just say the husband's a fucking fraud scammer. Let's just say the husband's a fucking fraud scammer. 

39:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah. 

39:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And like he's been living a lie, You're slamming this guy's name. No, I'm saying like the house isn't paid for or like there's things yeah, and like the reality isn't the reality and she needs that fucking hundred K, so that I'm just saying People who? 

40:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
are going after the wife and being like, oh, like bad. I didn't mean to deface the man I'm just saying, there could be a scenario that reality isn't what, not everything's what it seems like it is more important. The hundred thousand is more important than the expected value. She needs it now. Okay, also remember, just died yeah remember her husband just died. 

40:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
She's in a pretty horrible place yeah, and it's possible that, instead of dealing with the headache of anything associated with it, she just wants the money and she just wants to put that side of things to bed, get? 

40:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
the money back and just move on. What side of it to. 

40:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Would your wife have any understanding about the expected value of your Celtics future? 

40:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
My wife would know that I have friends who she knows well enough. That would be at, you'd like to think, would show up to my funerals or post-death what's happening with the chargers tickets? 

41:04
no, not that they know, but like she in the same way you would get a, you get consultant for all sorts of things. Be like can I run this by you like does this um right? Like just running it by a family friend who knows your husband, knows he liked to bet who, he spoke about his bets with. You might get more of the story and an understanding as to whether what she should do about those logistically, what would happen if if she didn't void them and they won, how would they withdraw the money? 

41:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I was thinking about this a lot this week. There's got to be something this must have happened before many times where people pass away with money in the account. 

41:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Is it different than a stock? Why is it any different? 

41:47 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
than a stock. There's a term of services there that says this is in terms and conditions. 

41:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
According to Captain Jack, who brought this up Because RxGamble tweeted what happens with funds when a customer dies. The site doesn't know. The account is dormant for an X amount of time before triggering the auto. You've been inactive email, so we're closing your account. Are they obligated to register the funds with the state? So it shows up in some public registry? So Captain Jack responded. Captain Jack, very well versed in these sorts of things, professional better says actually, in the terms and conditions of most operators. In the account of your death, your liquid assets can be obtained via a death certificate and proof of estate. Probably best to use an estate lawyer, but should be able to be done without one. This case was looking to void pending wagers. I think any state would choose to void. It's the same thing. If you self-exc-exclude, all pending wages are void because you are no longer a valid party in the wager so what if they were bad bets? 

42:39 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I? Was gonna say, what if it was on like the golden state warrior right? What if their bets that were like, okay, well, what would the book do? 

42:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
they would. You could just void it and get the money I. 

42:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So in this instance it seems to me like she went to DraftKings and then they had to get approval from. Massachusetts to void the bets Now in another case let's say they were terrible bets Toronto Raptors to win the title and they're out of the playoff. Let's say it's a playoff team but that doesn't have much of a Golden State Warriors is a good one. 

43:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, you could argue, but Sure. 

43:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Where the EV is bad relative to. 

43:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just pick a team where the line is way worse. 

43:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't know, yeah, someone who's in a play-in? 

43:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
tournament Chicago Bulls whatever, right, okay, the Bulls. 

43:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, something like that, where you probably you know what the Heat, the Heat's probably the best example. 

43:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Whatever the team is are probably going to lose and they're at bad numbers, then that's very like I don't. I would hope that the sports book would say to the wife sure, but I don't know that that would be the case. 

43:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If I'm being completely honest, but didn't it just say, if I self-exclude with pendings, that I would? 

43:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
get the money back. That is a very sad workaround. 

43:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I'm not looking to do it, but if the bets were shit, she wanted the money back. She could just say this account's over. 

43:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
She could, but again with the account, specifically now that that person is dead. 

44:07
I guess she's not she's canceled, nobody else can make decisions on that account. This is violation of terms and service of every regulated sportsbook account. So you can't just go in and now self-exclude. So the because now somebody else is making that decision, that's the real problem with the entire situation. So she had to directly approach the sportsbook I. I would hope that the sportsbook would would say, okay, fine, but honestly I don't know that that would happen. And this is not a commentary on draft kings, it's pretty much a commentary on any sportsbook I. 

44:34 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I just think that they like obviously did this to, not a commentary on DraftKings, it's pretty much a commentary on any sports book. I just think that they, like obviously did this to make it seem like they were saints in this scenario, when they like. 

44:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't know. Yeah, we didn't discuss like they maximized their EV. 

44:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
A hundred percent Great. 

44:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
VR move. 

44:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If I died like I would want my friends yes I, I will say it's. 

44:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is kind of important to make sure that with your significant other, whoever's gonna, you keep notes of like where you have money, yeah, this type of situation, yeah, but I don't have like like, at least she knew. 

45:04
Because think about the like this, this question here, uh, rx gamble, uh gina fiori and captain jack. They don't really talk about the scenario where your money is just like, yeah, I die and nobody knows I have the money in my DraftKings account. What happens? Well, guess what? Over time they're going to see the account is inactive. They're going to reach out to you and when nobody comes back and says keep the account open. 

45:25
They'll give you like a 90-day window to reach out, or it's theirs, they're going to close it and cease fight and it depends on the state, but usually it either goes directly to the sportsbook or directly to the state, or they split it. So you're gone. 

45:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The money's gone at that point. Yeah, credit to the wife for even knowing it's there. He must have been happy about his CLV to let her know. 

45:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You can't put any blame on her in this. 

45:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No zero, anyone who's putting blame on her. 

45:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, she gets credit. 

45:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
She knew to check that. Anyone who's putting blame on her no, she gets credit. She knew to check the. That's a smart thing in this day and age. It's like yes, there's accounts. Yes, there's stock, yes, there's mutual funds and all that fucking great shit. Check the books, check the sportsbook accounts. 

46:06 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I just still don't understand why they wouldn't just give her fair. I guess maybe she asked for it to be void. But if I was cash out value, just fair cash value, because we already know that that fair cash out value whatever, not fair cash. But the cash out value on draft kings is not fair, for it's better for the sports book if you were to cash out is she allowed to hit cash out? 

46:21
and then she wouldn't be, but I like I wonder if she could go to the regulators or go to draft kings and like if I, for example, if I were draft kings, if I were operating, I would have just given her the cash out value. 

46:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sure, but okay, somebody, probably, she, probably, she went to drafting yeah, and it didn't happen. I don't know this for certain. Yeah, but there's a 99.9 chance. She went to draft, yeah, and said my husband passed away this is his account. I don't. I would like to just get the original money back. Yeah, and they didn't say like, they just said yes, yeah, there was no thought put into like I guess, oh, you deserve the cash out value. 

46:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was we, we're going to honor the request that she gave? Yeah, if she had the appropriate information to prove this, like Captain Jack says you would probably need, then she has the information to get into the other things, which makes me think that there might not have been the funds in the other things. I agree that she needed this money. Yeah, that's sort of where my brain went. 

47:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. That's what I mean, and dying is expensive. 

47:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
For sure you ever buried something. You know how much that costs In that industry. 

47:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, Holy shit, when I to pass. This is just me. I did laugh at a lot of the, but ian mcmillan's response got 1.2 million views. Oh my god. Okay on twitter like this, this was a. This was a real thing that people were talking like if my wife doesn't ride out my futures. When I die I'm gonna haunt the shit out of her. Pretty funny it is so good, but so good, I like honest to god, truth when I die, I'm gone, I don't give a fuck anymore. 

47:51
My wife can do whatever the fuck she wants. She can ride the bets. She can cash them out. It doesn't matter to me anymore Absolutely, and that's where I'm at on the entire situation. Hopefully I made good bets and she's got some plus EV bets if she wants to ride it out, but if not, I don't care and that's just where I stand on the situation. 

48:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
How would you guys like a plus EV futures in someone's will and given to you? How do you feel about that? Like if someone left you the futures. Like someone left you one final sweat. 

48:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Can they leave it to you is the question. 

48:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, let's say they have a ticket from ProLine or whatever and they just gave it as a gift before they passed. 

48:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, I wouldn't hate it. 

48:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That would be how do you make a pro line on Tuesday morning and die on Thursday? No, like a hypothetical example, but like you're left with like a Super Bowl future. How about for you? You're left with a Broncos future. 

48:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But it's plus EV. But it's a great bet. The. 

48:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Broncos are 14-2 and they're headed headed to the playoffs. And you think you're croaking this week, I guess give it to me. Yeah, sure, if you got a Vegas ticket, a printed ticket, and then something I don't know man, you could list it on PropSwap. 

49:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
PropSwap and free-roll yourself. Just go put it on PropSwap. 

49:11 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, you free-roll it, free-roll. Go put it on prop swap. Yeah, no, you free roll it. Yeah, free roll it on prop swap. It's a good way to go about things. 

49:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right, let's keep it moving here. 

49:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Uh to to matt next topic, this this could have been the lead off, and that's a little surprised. Maybe rory winning does enough to make this go third, but this this could have been the lead off. So it's all about matt zilber. Mr over under himself made a name for himself on gambling Twitter for calling people out, replying to people asking for their documented record, asking them how they're doing. He is all about documented records of other people, but he got himself in hot water on Friday when he posted an article on Deadspin where he posted an under 8 at minus 105 at FanDuel in a game that went over within six innings but got rained out In the house. Rules on FanDuel total run. 

50:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Markets are settled as per the eight and a half inning rule, except for when a result has already been unequivocally determined. 

50:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Therefore, this bet lost on FanDuel, which was where people were reporting. The original article had referenced a bet. Now the allegation is that Matt Zilber went into the article after the fact to change the bet to a bet on Caesars instead, where you have to have the full nine innings for action. Therefore, this bet was voided because it did not go the full nine innings. This was posted by at Franco Rambo 24 or Frank Rambo 24 at Jason Williams, i7, good account to follow, and then said is this what you guys want? Someone editing articles after the game is over? Same guy text everyone on the internet claiming they are not documented. This is just the start, deadspin. I got plenty more to come. We had some reactions from people. 

51:04
Follow-up is that Zilbert has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. We had Trav at HeHateMe2 underscore zero good account as well, who posted the same screenshots from Zilbert, got called out. He got called out but denies it. Zach White at Gamble Balls says Zil. Last night the article said under 8, minus 105 at FanDuel. Then, after the game was called and after midnight the article was updated to under 8, minus 110 at Caesars Conveniently switched from one book where the bet was graded a loss to one where it was a push. What are your thoughts? And Zilbert himself says no, it wasn't. My guy and Zilbert's been going at Trent for weeks and weeks and weeks and this was a bookend with Trent's moment to come back, he says unbelievable, but not surprising. 

52:06
You gave out a shit play, prayed for a rain delay and scammed all your followers who didn't get refunded of your shit wager, and then changed the article overnight, thinking no one would see that you claimed to have it placed on a different book, but that voided loser behavior. Now you might be thinking well, who really knows for sure if it was edited? Who really knows Like maybe a Microsoft Word screenshot was used to make it look like it was fake? Well, we have receipts, we have proof. 

52:35
Jason Williams came back with a photo of the article showcasing that it was in fact edited after midnight. If you think that was a screenshot, well, we have IRUNSOBAD1, amazing account to follow for Gammick. Twitter took a screen recording a video of what a normal article would look like that is unedited, versus this article, which was edited, close and shut proof. And Zilbert, who I always come on here and I say, does not have a documented record. He always ends up in my mentions after every single fucking Circle Back episode. Just putting your fucking record at the end of your articles doesn't mean shit, because now you put 941. Anyone can type 941. You lost a bet and you'd like any ounce of credibility that you're maybe earning back from people like rob who says he wants what's best for gambling twitter any ounce sliver of credibility earned. You throw it away for a push instead of a loss. 

53:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob looks so disappointed. 

53:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I will tell you this I'm not. 

53:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Master's weekend. Like a nuclear bomb could go off and I could miss it. 

53:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You missed it. You're just getting it now. I saw your original, authentic reality. 

53:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Well, I like you like I ride for Zilbert. Great shout Saturday on that reds pirate under zilbert, don't let these guys bring you down. This is ridiculous. 

53:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is uh but let me so I got I. It looks bad, I'm. By the way, there's a there's a 99 chance. There's, first of all, there's a 100 chance that this article was altered. Okay, that's been very made very clear by the metadata that shows that there was a change after midnight in the article. Okay, what I want from zilbert is an explanation as to how this can possibly happen, because his first response was that someone doctored this in word, which is fair, because you know what. I went on my computer this morning. It took me about seven minutes to find the font that was used, that the Deadspin articles used. The screenshot that was shown was not a full web screenshot, it was just somebody very easily could type up something in Word, take a screen cap and say this was the original article, but the metadata that you can't come back from. Here's my question Is Zilbert actually able to alter an article? Because I'll tell you for the writing I've done in my life. 

55:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You couldn't right Editors. 

55:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Has Deadspin given Zilbert access to the back end where he can log in and post an article or change it? Because I would never do that with a writer. I would always go through one of our editors. 

55:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And Zilbert, like a lot of people who post articles like one of their big fallouts or safety nets is when I sent it in, this was was the line and we've all been on both sides of it. Like it takes sometimes you know a, you're not priority, or b, they don't give a shit. Yeah or c, they just are busy. Yes, and you're like the article goes up three hours after you fucking sent in the final work and that that's a tough spot. But I'd be shocked if he has back-end control at Deadspin. You could cause a, you could do a lot of stuff. 

56:01
How do you trust a marinara banana guy with back-end access? 

56:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Guys ripping darts in his living room. 

56:07 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You're going to give him access On the floor. By the way, On the floor. 

56:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean listen. There's a possibility, you can restrict access. But he complains that his articles aren't getting up, so I don't think he has the ability to just post something he says. He sends them to an editor, who then reads them and posts them. 

56:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So I think, well, the first thing here is they also could have just edited like the. If this was doctored, you can edit it within the website itself. There's like an option text edit. You can edit any text on a website, but it's only on your screen. 

56:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Maybe Deadspin's doing it for engagement, I don't know. 

56:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I remember we did that, so you can do that, but also like you said. 

56:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I wonder listen, I obviously think that he did this why would he play a worse number? Yes, right, why would he be playing the worst number in the event of a rain delay? Is he the weatherman? Now, I don't know, but I wonder if you can edit that part, because I don't know, if I don't know, if you can I don't know either. 

56:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So the way that I like to approach these situations is you reach out to him for comment. I have not, but I I'm very. I've learned from the past, and especially with this show. We've done, we made these mistakes. I mean, listen, we're like I don't even know how many episodes we're in now, but we very quickly rushed a judgment on people, and I want to get into the process of like. Let's find the facts first. At this point though, zabr, he has to. You cannot be the Mr Documented. I have documented records. Once this allegation comes out, my first thing is like who's accusing him? Well, everyone fucking hates him. Yeah, okay, so there would be reason for people to try to set him up, but now that this other stuff's come out, you need to offer an explanation and you need to offer receipts. If you're gonna say my editor changed this or whatever, there's got to be someone who's got to own up. 

57:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Isn't he in a high stakes contest now, or something he's? 

57:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
okay, he's. He's in the Spanky contest where, luckily for him, it was voided as per his contest rules. But I will say there's one way that Zilbert can fix all this. He says he bets all his plays. Show us the receipt from Caesars. And no bullshit about pay me to show the receipt, because your integrity is on the line. If your integrity is worth, I agree. 

58:16
A hundred dollars, a thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, I'm with you that's embarrassing and he says he doesn't even care about money it's just about um being known as the greatest better one of the biggest problems, though, is that he claims to not own a computer, and so he would have to. 

58:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, he claims to not, he's got like a five gen old iphone too, right. And how does? 

58:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
he write his article that's what I. 

58:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's what I was gonna go to the library cat of the library I saw how careful you were about pronouncing library, library, yeah, he goes, he goes to the public and he bashes out an article I'm curious to see. 

58:52 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, but he did. To be fair, though, he did say when he got the $2,000 for the bet slips that he was going to buy a new computer. So maybe he did, but he claimed he cannot post the screenshot of the bet or whatever because it will crash his iPhone 7 or his iPhone 7 doesn't have the capability of doing that. Listen, maybe we're going to have wednesday. 

59:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We got to log into his account on the bar computer at the end of the day listen, I I have maintained my opinion on this for a long time and sometimes new information comes to light and you say you know what? I was wrong, but I always thought that zilbert as fucking annoying as he is, and p and, by the way, love trent's response, because if someone's going to go after you that much for years, you get to go back at them All-time ratio. 

59:36 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
By the way, I wish you included the likes. Go look at that tweet. There's maybe like 100x the amount of likes and retweets as the original tweet. 

59:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I believe it. I think Trent was at the Masters this week too. 

59:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow Him and Prop Swap Was he? I don't know. 

59:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don, I could be wrong. I'm astonished. This is the first time this, of all things, you're like. You know what? This time, let's wait. I agree, jacob. I was thinking that also. 

01:00:04 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Rob is like you know what? 

01:00:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
we've made mistakes here. I've run my mouth too much. Zilbert we're gonna let this one simmer a little I don't know how he has back end access. Who the fuck? 

01:00:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
is giving Zilbert access to. We're going to let this one simmer a little. Think about it logically. I don't know how he has back-end access. 

01:00:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Who the fuck is giving Zilbert access to the articles? This article was a million percent edited after midnight. 

01:00:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, a hundred percent he easily could have reached out to an editor and said, hey, I made a mistake in my article, can you correct? That could have happened. 

01:00:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Somebody's got to get to the bottom of this. I think it's easy. I mean, look, I guess we cannot 1 million percent confirm, but would you say it's more likely that there was just a random edit or that he reached out to an editor who maybe like think about the type of people you'd have as editors. Would they really know a lot about sports betting all the time? Maybe not. Maybe they had no idea. 

01:00:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I just made a mistake with my line I just find it preposterous that deadspin would give him a login to we. We've known for years that he at least he claims that sometimes the lines on his articles are stale because he sends them in. Someone takes hours to edit them and post them. I would say from my I worked at the score in content there's always processes in terms of who can get permissions to certain things. It would be very unlikely that he would have the ability to edit his own content, the guy who just started posting baseball picks, like three weeks ago. 

01:01:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
it's impossible. Like Rob said, he's worked behind the scenes with these companies. 

01:01:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
There is something that's happening, but he reached out to an editor. 

01:01:40 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, that's very possible, and does he submit his articles the night before? Do we know? Or does he do it in the morning? Because if he submits it the night before, it could have very easily been submit the article. Hey, the article's there. By the way, in my previous article that I sent out yesterday, I'll stand by him if he admits his mistake. 

01:02:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll I'll be here for him. Listen, I was shaking when I got this information. I was like curled up in a ball. It is important to spare. I believe I'm a big believer in second chances. I do believe in like innocent till proven guilty in society and stuff like that. But when you are spending a decade essentially going after people for documentation and, like you, make one mistake and it's done, reputation is done. So the burden of-. 

01:02:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, this isn't a mistake. This is like a this is a hustle. 

01:02:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Whatever the reason is, if he feels pressure now to have a winning record because he's in the spot, whatever it is, you cannot do that If you are going to claim like a mess like this is more of like a coordinated cheat than a mistake yes, like there's other. There's other stuff that drives me absolutely crazy about the fact that he just does not include the covid baseball season in his record is is a disgrace. 

01:02:52
I mean, his argument is like well, it was a different game, like there was no fans whatever, Like would you include? Of course you bet them. If you bet those plays, they have to be included. That, like to me, is a complete joke, this one in particular. I think there's about a 90% chance he's at fault in some way. 

01:03:08 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Clearly there was an I would bet the yes. If you gave me 90% fair odds, I would bet the yes. That it was, I think it's more like 99, 99.99. What are we betting there? 

01:03:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
has to be some the yes, no, but how are we going to get to the bottom of it? 

01:03:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He posts the ticket from Caesars, or he posts the ticket from FanDuel, whichever, or then, if he doesn't, if he's not able to post it. 

01:03:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Fanduel tickets never seen the light of day. 

01:03:30 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I got bad news for you, yeah but if he posts the ticket, that's fine. It has to be on his account. But if he doesn't post the ticket, then we have also a greater problem where he wasn't betting the stuff he does, which he claims to do right. 

01:03:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He does claim that he bets everything. 

01:03:42 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So that's also important. We have a different issue. 

01:03:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll say this I will be floored. 

01:03:49 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
if there does, I'll give you a public apology so will I, because I'll I'll donate 50 to a local cat, but but now it's all. 

01:03:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now, now that these accusations have been thrown out there, you can't. You can't just respond to be like no, this wasn't the case. 

01:04:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, you can't you have to offer. 

01:04:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, it wasn't my guy, yeah you have to offer some sort of alternative. You can't just like you. If you, I'm like completely out on the spaces at this point, but if you get invited to the spaces to share your side of the story, come with the facts. He got invited. He got invited. He didn't show up last. 

01:04:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He didn't show up because he was drinking on a Sunday which, again, like that guy, drinks on the craziest days of the week Sunday and Wednesday. 

01:04:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, that is, advanced drinks. Sunday, saturday, every day, yeah, like, so I mean just put like Not going to judge him on the drinking. 

01:04:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I've got an easy fix for documented records. Documented record is not you know. A little line in your article Maybe like actually publicly track your bets at a spot which your bets cannot be edited. That would be the easy fix. Then you would never be able to have, you'd never be able to be questioned about your bets. We'd have a completely valid proof If somebody hey, where's your document record? Here's the link. Here's my public tracking. Do you track your picks? Are you winning better? Yes, I am. 

01:05:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Here's my documentation that shows I'm winning better, not just a line in your articles he has stated before that he won't do that because he often buys a half run or half point and a lot of the tracking systems. Don't let you do that. He does not want to link his sportsbook. 

01:05:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, but he also told me he very rarely buys points. 

01:05:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, that's also it. So at this point I'm out on Zilbert. 

01:05:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, so he's lost his spot on the Super Bowl special next year, if he shows up if he has the same hair and beard again you kind of have to have him back because that that image of him is actually my memory. 

01:05:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I just don't want the radio silence. I would like him to address the situation. 

01:05:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's just going about it like it didn't happen. 

01:05:42
Next day he posted his record like it didn't happen, if someone made these, accusations about me personally, I would defend myself or I'd post a public video explaining why it was false. Um, and? And if I had the bet slip, just hide the bet amounts. If you don't want to show bet amounts, just show the bets that you have the bet slip. Yep, um, so I don't know till further notice. I'm out on zilbert. I do believe that he's trying to do good in the space, but, but there's delusion that comes with that as well. So I don't know. I'm thinking probabilistically at this point. 

01:06:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It doesn't look good man. 

01:06:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not looking good for Zilbo. It's not looking good for Zilbo. 

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01:07:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
As a reminder, we do value all your feedback here. On Circle Back, you can use that comment section down below and hashtag Circle Back on Twitter or X if you do want us to talk about anything. Some comments from last week. This is like the third week in a row now that this is going to be here, but I want to address it finally in full. Smokey Steambat says I can confirm that Americans say the word parentheses, although it is an odd word. That says I can confirm that americans say the word parentheses, although it is an odd word. So many of the comments last week were about us, as canadians, not using the word parentheses for what we call brackets. Okay, okay, you know what? 

01:08:06
I'm talking yes, standard brackets, yes, yeah yes, exactly bed, but it's head, mass, head, pemdis or whatever. In the us, parentheses is a word that we know, we understand, like if somebody said to me parentheses in my head I would also think brackets, but we do not use it. People are like well then, what do you call the other? We call them square brackets. I call brackets like this brackets and brackets that are square. 

01:08:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Square brackets, square brackets and brackets that are square square brackets, square brackets, the semicircle, did you? 

01:08:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
or the boxy one, is it that's? 

01:08:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
that's just like the canadian lingo I got nothing to say on this. Yeah, I'm betting, go first, but if somebody said parentheses, I would, I would know I was administered a challenge to say the word. 

01:08:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Somebody said in the comments jacob says level impossible. I think I did it there. 

01:08:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but you slowed it down a lot. Yeah, like anyone could say the word. You see, jeff? 

01:09:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
say, library a few minutes ago. If you slow it down long enough, if you have a lisp, it's a tough one. 

01:09:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Parentheses. There you go. Punter's Connection. How in the hell did Kirk not connect Italian Mamba 08 to Kobe? Dude lived in Italy, even if the poster's from Italy, potentially the hint is there Mamba equals Kobe, 08 equals Kobe. Come on man. 

01:09:18 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Mamba 08 was the winner of our contest. I didn't catch that. None of us did Wait. How did you guys not catch that? 

01:09:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That was the first thing I thought of Shut the fuck up, I'm being serious, kobe 08. 

01:09:34 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Last week's giveaway winner was italian mamba 08, and that was a kobe reference wait, did kobe live in italy or is he talking about kirk living? Kobe did live in italy, so fluent italian. I didn't know that part, yeah, but I know the mamba 08 is like if you see mamba 08 or mamba kirk immediately said is, is this guy like 17 years old? 

01:09:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
that's what I said. That's what I said. 

01:09:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's born in 08 and immediately my mind went there. I didn't really think about anything else. 

01:09:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So, yes, it's on all of us, it's not on just even if it was a time on 24, I wouldn't have got that uh winner of the contest for the swag this week, by the way, last week was italian mamba 08. 

01:10:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This week it's at buckle up 8962. All you got to do email us circles off at the hammer dot bet. Give us your address, give us your sizing, we will get you a swag bag. Uh, next week, uh, lee Rat 9591 says Ernie L7 putted from the three feet at the Masters one, so even four. Putting every green is no guarantee, but that would be a fun challenge. Uh, I gotta tell you guys, last week I said I would win the Masters if I putt from the furthest point on every green. I often forget, until I watch the masters again, how difficult the greens are. So I'm going to publicly retract that statement. Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen I confirmed. 

01:10:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, watching over the weekend confirmed I'm not winning the masters like that yeah, yeah, I like to try it didn't somebody? Uh, I forget who it was. They had a birdie putt from three feet, ended up getting ended up bogeying the hole. 

01:10:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Was it Hatton, it was Patrick Reed yesterday, but that happened a couple times. 

01:11:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Cam Young had a disaster class on one hole as well. 

01:11:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The amount of three-footers you see get missed. And then to think, yeah, I missed so many. 

01:11:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not even just the three-footers, Some absurdly long putts. They literally go off the green. Yeah, but also. 

01:11:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You saw some great putters Like putt. It gets past the hole. It rolls out like nine feet, eight feet seven feet. You're toast. 

01:11:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Three putt from there. I retract that statement. We'll go up to the next Masters next year. This will come up again. I will say I can do it, then I will watch the Masters and I will realize. 

01:11:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I cannot do it. 

01:11:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
DXPSman says new drinking game Take a drink every time Jeff gives someone flowers or interrupts another member of the cast. Only person making it to the end is Amanda Vance. I've never seen a guy talk so much without saying anything. 

01:11:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Thanks for watching the show. I like that there's some cross-contamination there. 

01:12:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's obviously a Spaces fan, yep, he knows, amanda Vance drinks a lot, so as everyone says like when Spaces talk happens our retention rate. 

01:12:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They drop Big time. Literally crashes harder than your stocks last week. You do. 

01:12:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I say everybody has vocabulary of things. They say a lot. You do say you give someone flowers a lot, but I didn't even say that once today, not today. 

01:12:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Not today, because here's the problem. I feel like I have to do that when I, when, uh, I shit on that person a lot, yeah, so I want to make it clear I still don't like you very much, or maybe I don't like you, but in this instance, I'll give it to you. 

01:12:46 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Even though he's yelled at me before, he's still never given me flowers yeah you gotta 

01:12:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
earn them okay fair I still I'll never forget the day where you yelled at him off air. It was so. 

01:12:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We were lagging. I wanted to start. It was the last time. 

01:13:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Jason filled in for Kirk. We were doing our pre-show rundown. We finished it Just really quickly. We go over what we're going to talk about. 

01:13:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I had a question that I was asking. I forget what it was. 

01:13:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You were just talking and he wanted to start the show. You talked a long time. We were running a little late. 

01:13:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, we were late and but I don't know, the blame was on everybody, not just you. 

01:13:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I wasn't, even Kirk was here. I wasn't even yapping to myself. It was a four-person show. 

01:13:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I was talking with Kirk, yeah, with the thing, Listen like I say, you should take it as a point that I feel comfortable enough with you to say that you told him to shut the fuck up yeah. But I wouldn't. 

01:13:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Then you acted like it never happened. But then I when he pointed it out, you're like no, no, that never happened. 

01:13:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I didn't remember it, but then I replayed the situation in my head and then, unsolicited, I was like holy shit, guys, that did happen. But again, you should take it like be flattered. 

01:13:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, I wish I had the footage guys. 

01:13:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't have it, we can reunite one day you should be flattered, because there's people who I wouldn't say that to, even though I'm thinking it, because I don't feel like we have a good enough relationship. 

01:14:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're in his inner circle enough that he's comfortable telling you to shut the fuck up. 

01:14:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So you wanted to say that to Kirk last week, but you weren't able to do it. 

01:14:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I don't think Kirk's ever made me want to say that. But I would say I don't feel like me and Kirk are on a level where I would say that, so that's why you yelled at me and not him when we were talking. 

01:14:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, you asked a question, you asked a question that pissed me off. 

01:14:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You had a question that pissed me off. You had a lot to say. 

01:14:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You pissed me off, but we brought you in because we needed your expertise, my expertise, all right Another person a lot to say this week, and it's just. Look at that fucking king. 

01:14:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's going to be a GRP wins segment here. George Riley Panagakis, popular on this show. Just a lot of different stuff this week. First of all, showing off his swing. Look at that flex. It's not the worst form. 

01:14:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've ever seen. George has a great swing. This video is hilarious, by the way. It's a minute and a half of him in the driveway but he finds a random guy to take a video of him. He tells him he's got a few thousand followers on Twitter. 

01:15:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But how many swings does he get off in the video Three. 

01:15:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
But the guy wasn't filming. It's on the floor. 

01:15:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But he was talking to another guy, he was talking to the guy next to him, I will say I would love to play a round of golf with George. I would love for George to have broken the camera, but he's like first swing of the year, boys, this and that he goes up pipes First swing of the year. That one was a little thin. No, divot. 

01:15:32 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, divot was crazy on the mat Well. I think he meant like he wouldn't have taken a divot. 

01:15:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But it was great. The only thing that and listen, I'm sure I've done stuff before that's rather embarrassing. I couldn't help but notice that this shirt is way too small for him when he was swinging. 

01:15:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Every time he would swing it would come up to like, yeah, listen, every time you swing it would come up, listen, we experienced it, it fit. Last year, at the start of golf season, we thought we could pull it off again. 

01:15:59 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Couple ham off the bones later we learned the hard way. 

01:16:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, head down turn flex. 

01:16:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Maybe it's something to do with some of the meals, the. French toast. 

01:16:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe it was this one. 

01:16:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He says I've moved up this breakfast to once a month Cinnamon swirl French toast with candied pecan and vanilla frosting. And then Jeff Benson calls him out. The higher ups at Cirque are on the watch. He says, George, you literally had the same meal less than two whole weeks ago. 

01:16:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is the second time he's gotten God in a couple months of saying like this I'm eating this once a month and he doesn't. People ask me about because I met George a few times in person. They ask me. They're like is this George? I'm like yes, this is George. But then he does stuff like this where I'm like is he that good at like engagement farming that he's intentionally doing this stuff at this point? 

01:16:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Is he the mastermind? 

01:16:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I, if okay. So last week on this show we talked about the other show and thank you because I said nice things about Nadeau throughout the show. He forgot that I said some of the things that I think he was blaming Kirk for. He forgot that I said some of the things that I think he was blaming Kirk for. That is all to say. I am a mark. If George is truly like inauthentically engagement baiting, I'm a mark. I am not in on the joke. I've been got. I'm not in on the joke I've been got. 

01:17:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It just amazes me that with the breakfast pictures, especially how much engagement he actually gets on those At this point he's been posting pictures of breakfasts for half a year. 

01:17:47 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Longer now. 

01:17:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Who's still interested in this content? I don't know what is happening. 

01:17:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's happy doing it. 

01:17:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He is, like the Dos Equis most interesting guy in the world 100%, where everybody's just got to see what he's doing. Who cares about the breakfast photos? Nowadays it gets like 100 likes. People are responding to him. I don't know what's happening. 

01:18:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I can't even imagine that this guy has a single hater. Oh, yes, he does. I know. I know it befuddles me Like people take him seriously enough where they hate him. Like I could get not finding it funny, finding it annoying. Not wanting to follow him yeah, but like hating this harmless man who's just buying his mom lotto tickets and lives at home Like what is there to hate? 

01:18:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Is there a single female in the space that likes George Because he has gone after? Females can hate him. Yeah, females deserve to hate him. 

01:18:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Hey, george, your girl Pam. She crushed it. She bet Rory after Thursday Give her her flowers. 

01:18:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You like that DMB band 5'5". Meanwhile he went 0-7 on his master picks. 

01:18:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, his mat we're gonna get into this. 

01:19:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
We've got one lined up here, we got the tour de force. 

01:19:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah again. If George is like If this is a work, I'm like an 8 year old boy Watching Jannetty get thrown Through the barber shop window. Yes, hit him with the drop pick. I'm like an eight-year-old boy watching Jannetty get thrown through the barbershop window. 

01:19:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yes, marty Jannetty. Yeah, hit him with the dropkick, marty Jannetty, I'll take it. 

01:19:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, you look like Shawn Michaels did back in the day. You got the same look that Michaels did when he put Jannetty through the barbershop window. 

01:19:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm shocked. You knew that it's an action. Bronson line Hit him with the dropkick. Marty Jannetty, he's a rapper. 

01:19:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but do you know what the barbershop window is? Yeah, I know what the barbershop window is. Are you just saying? 

01:19:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
that now? No, I have a clear image in my head of him getting thrown through a window. 

01:19:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, it's the heel turn. 

01:19:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't know the context of it, but I put him over. 

01:19:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Every little boy's favorite tag team. 

01:19:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was just like crushing Saturday morning. That's out of context. 

01:20:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's crazy. 

01:20:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You fucking little boy watching superstars on a Saturday morning? What are you talking about? 

01:20:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Saturday at noon, I think. 

01:20:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that was it yeah. 

01:20:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Wow. 

01:20:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's all you got, all right. 

01:20:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Here is one of the Masters bet in particular. Clive Bixby, who does content with the Hammer at Ford Progress, messaged earlier on in the day odds that GRP bets an early first-round leader. That's a big long shot, and then later in the day, grp posts just live bet on dk danny willett top 10, 100 at plus 1600. 

01:20:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He bet willett last year to win a couple minutes into the tournament. 

01:20:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Also, grp live betting is so predictable. 

01:20:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But grp like listen, I mean credit to george, no flowers, just credit. Okay, for what? 

01:20:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
just issuing a bunch of bad no bets. Every major tournament. 

01:20:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, no, no, Because he actually. You know we'll get to it in a moment, but Zach played well. But George is this thing where he truly believes if you once won the Masters, no matter how old you are, you can still win the Masters. I could have seen george 10 years ago betting sandy lyle and larry mice and jose maria olathobo every year, fred couples. 

01:21:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know fred couples. I don't know why he's not on his card. Um, yeah, it's pretty predictable with the golf betting. I I just felt like this. This happened within like 10 minutes. Clive messaged this in our forward progress chat group and then then, literally right afterwards, grp posted that he will at Live Bet. Now I will say Super fans. 

01:21:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Clive hates George, but he's a fan. Super fans know this is George's MO. 

01:21:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know that Clive hates, george Hates, is a strong word. 

01:21:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I didn't mean it like that no time for George, no time for George, no time for George, no time for George. We should say though, as part of his Masters bets. 

01:21:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We did openly mock him for betting Zach Johnson to win the Masters and Zach Johnson did finish T10. And, Jeff, you did say that if Zach Johnson finishes T10, you will go out to Chicago this summer. Yeah, and you're going to do some content with George. 

01:22:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So I mean it was an honor this summer, yeah, and you're going to do some content with George, so I mean it was an honor. It's literally, I think, Rob, the amount of conversations I've had with Rob about this content idea, an inkling of me really wanted Zach to finish top 10. It's like I really want to do this thing. I kind of don't want to do it on my own volition. I want to be forced into it. 

01:22:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You need that push, you need the push. 

01:22:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What's a way that like I can do it but like not do it. And now I'm in Now, because this was like a bet against myself. No one proposed it, it wasn't from a fight. Like I do make the rules, yes, because Rob's being nice. I think my first, first initial claim was I would fucking take a page out of bosco's book and greyhound to chicago. Oh my god, on on like just moments examination after that I was like no, I'm actually making the rules here. I like you too much. I'd follow through with that. I'm way too blessed to greyhound, to fucking chicago, or to greyhound anywhere. Um, so that's out. But, george, I mean this needs to be planned. I seeing the golf thing, maybe we should go golfing. If we I mean this needs to be planned Seeing the golf thing, maybe we should go golfing. If we go golfing, maybe this needs to be multi-day. But I want at least like three diners. A bagel shop. Is this on one day? I'm thinking it's like max two days, okay. 

01:23:31
The same way, portnoy does, like you know, 10 pizza shops in a day Like and I like I'll pay for. I don't know whether it's like I chauffeur him around or I get a ride in his mom's car. 

01:23:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe his mom will drive you around. We should actually rent you a limo and get you a full limo driver suit and you should have to drive him around. That would be great. 

01:23:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, because I want to go, I want the experience. Those cinnamon swirl pecans like I'm going to try it. I want to try the favorites. I want to meet. I want him to introduce me to the diner waitresses. You're going to go play Potlum in Omaha with him. I don't know if I got enough time. The thing is, porter does like a great in and out. It's not O'Hare, it's the other one, I don't know the other airport. 

01:24:15
See I don't know, but listen, this is on. I love Flying Porter and then Rob, but like I don't know that you can trust mine or George's camera work to get the appropriate futures content everyone needs. 

01:24:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'll be your chauffeur. 

01:24:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'll drive you around Me, and like yucking it up over breakfast hearing him talk futures to me Like I'm sorry. Bet Bash has nothing on that as far as I'm concerned. 

01:24:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You could do like a comedians in cars getting coffee type of thing. No, I want to be in the diner. 

01:24:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I want the bagels, I want it all, but I don't know how much is like. When is it? 

01:24:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What's too much? I don't know how much is. When is it too much? 

01:24:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't want to. I don't want to overwork George. I don't want to overfeed him. 

01:25:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I get it but what's if? 

01:25:06 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Would you split meals with him? 

01:25:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'll pay for them. 

01:25:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, no, you guys get one meal and split it, okay, maybe. 

01:25:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I have no problem putting my fork into a cinnamon swirl, because we've got three other breakfasts to try. 

01:25:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, if you want to try two things, and you just each get one you split it down the middle. Yeah, and listen. He said he lost 700 on the Masters. Yeah. 

01:25:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Transparent, documented. I'm like, yeah, but you could sub the cost of all the food I'm going to feed you Right, like maybe the hammer will pick that up. I can pick it up, we can work this out because it is a content play. But yeah, like I don't know, rifling through NFL futures, carb loading with George, like anyone who knows me, like that's the fucking goods Sounds amazing. 

01:25:50
I've never even been to this Culver's his favorite fast food place. Like there's so many things I want to do with George, I don't know that there's enough time, would you? 

01:26:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
visit a strip club with. 

01:26:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
George, I don't know. I want his routine. I would board flip for snakes with George. Oh my god, that would be so good. 

01:26:07 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, you'd see me, I'd get a whole outfit a ghillie suit like camo but I'd have like boots up to like here. 

01:26:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not going like george, george, raw dogs, I would board flip. Maybe I'd check out the casino, like I would like to do a day in the life of george, like when he goes into that casino, we're gonna make it out. Are people like, hey, george? Yeah, you know, the pit boss is sup george? Is everyone being like who you like this week, george? Like I want to? Um, yeah, like, listen, I talked to you. Like anyone that wants to talk to me about george off air like I, it's rare, right, there aren't many people in my real life. There's a couple of my buddies who adore him. Um, but yeah, as you can see, I'm excited. Like you think, I'm upset, I lost this bet. No, there's one person who was sweating the bet. It probably was my wife. I got a busy summer, a lot of jaunts out of town. Uh, you're back to you, gotta know. You don't know what it's jeffism jaunt, who are? 

01:27:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
you the fuck no, go look whatever. How do you? How do you spell that jaunt j-a-u-N-T. Okay, go look that up. 

01:27:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Tell me the. 

01:27:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Google chart on usage for that John. 

01:27:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like a leisurely stroll. 

01:27:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, it's like I got like A short excursion. No, no, no, tell me the Google chart on like word usage, because there's word usage over time. 

01:27:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're not doing things going on like for quick in and outs of of the city this summer. Dad again in the summer where it's like oh, but um, but we'll see. Like I, he works for his mom, I work for my dad. Maybe we can make this a weekday thing there you go. 

01:27:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe you can bring him up to toronto at some point and he could get a trip around the candle factory as well. 

01:27:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Uh, maybe, yeah, we could, uh, yeah, check out some dollaramas, help make sure the shelves are looking good. But, george, I'm excited for this. Okay, I am. But what is like a fair? What's a good? Does it need to be? 

01:28:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
two days we'll talk about. I I have some ideas that we haven't discussed yet on air that we'll we'll talk about, because I want some surprises in there as well, but I think a couple days is more than fair. 

01:28:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And I'd absolutely rip the driving range with George if not a nine little hole. Par three circuit. 

01:28:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh yeah, not a full 18?. You think he can handle a full 18? 

01:28:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah with that move, you think he's taking a lot of shots. I mean like I'm joking, but I don't know. 

01:28:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He looked totally fine there. Are you done on the jaunt, by the way? Yeah, I'm done. 

01:28:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You looked it up and you realize you're wrong. No, no, no, it's definitely trending down since, like the 90s, but like I'll give it to you, 90s is fair A couple other ones here from the GRP segment, by the way. 

01:28:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So he posted originally. 

01:28:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Western Union to pay for my picks, and you guys laughed at me. I just left Walmart and they only charge $5 to send $500 from Illinois to California. Someone owes me an apology. 

01:29:03
Look at the amount of comments on that Relator 72 comments, 59 likes, 68,000 engagements or whatever the term is there, but people have seen the tweet. And then Chris Dierkis at Flop no Lie, who does the Friday show on Circleback alongside myself, says can I get an early bird discount if I sign up now? And George says yeah, you get a 10% early discount and the 10% Greek discount. I'm expecting 40 picks, so it's only $30, $20. Chris Dierkis is not Dierkus, is not Greek. 

01:29:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He is not Greek, he doesn't even remote. 

01:29:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't know why GRP thought that Chris is not. 

01:29:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Greek. I'm giving George's flowers here because Dierkus is a very close Greek name. It could come off as Greek. It's too short, yeah, but it could have been shortened from Dierkos what? 

01:29:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
is Chris Dierkus off as greek? No, it's too short. Yeah, but it could have been shortened from dear galamos or dear. 

01:29:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
What is chris dearkus's background? I don't know. 

01:29:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm gonna guess like greek, apparently incredibly white well, why would just take a greek discount and say nothing? 

01:30:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't want to know. I'm gonna make some guesses 3200 I looked up. 

01:30:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I looked up the typical like where the name originates I'm gonna guess uh dutch it is. Is it north german and uh dutch? 

01:30:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was gonna go like scandinavian first, and then I um he may not be. 

01:30:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He may not be that just like to be the origin. That's where the name is definitely not greek. There's no reason to think he's greek. 

01:30:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The Western Union stuff. George, your customers are what matters. If no one can pay for your picks, they're not going to. 

01:30:40 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Just set up a Patreon. It takes like two minutes. 

01:30:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well then, he's got to give money to Patreon, though, but just charge $505 and you're going to end up giving less the buyers. 

01:30:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
the percentage will be less. 

01:30:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But just have a real way that people could pay you if you're going to sell. Paypal Like fuck anything, apple Pay, whatever Zelly there's a million apps that aren't. 

01:31:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Western Union E-Transfer's not in the US, it's. 

01:31:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Canadian Crazy. 

01:31:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Last little segment here. There's been a lot of people making parody GRP accounts and Jordan thinks that people are trying to impersonate him. He says look out, there's a few fake GRP wins Twitter accounts. To confirm, click on my picture and you'll see my Twitter handle GRP wins in parentheses and my Twitter name also in parentheses George Riley Panagakis. And here's a couple examples I'm a Chinese, george Nguyen, george Nguyen Panagakis at GRP Nguyen's, which is so good Once a month classic California roll from Golden Dragon. So it's an ancient version of George. And then somebody made a George Riley pentagac, basically made like a black version of George, and some white sports better. 

01:32:03
Who I've never heard of is claiming I am impersonating him. While I am flattered, the truth is we happen to share a similar name and apparently similar taste in barbecue. Here is proof. I hope we can treat each other with more respect in the future. That's a fake ID, but people have been replying to George under these tweets saying George, I sent my $2,700 Western Union to these guys. What do I do? Did they scam me? And as far as I'm aware, hopefully when he watches this he's aware they're parodies, george. 

01:32:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, there's going to be like another 20 this week. 

01:32:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Nobody sent any money to anybody, Don't worry man. 

01:32:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Do you know how popular you are? To? 

01:32:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
have parodies. Parody accounts Are there. This many. 

01:32:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, this is like agreed. It's a cult following. 

01:32:50 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
at this point it really is. You're like tearing up, bro. 

01:32:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Here's another Twitter guy trying to use my name, image and likeness. 

01:32:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
At least he won't be fooling many people oh man. Wait, I just realized is this signature supposed to be? 

01:33:11 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
the name. No, it's just the standard. The AI was only hitting so many marks was. Give me a license of this guy like say oh man, caitlin, it's someone else's name. 

01:33:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, don't. It's the acting chief administrator. 

01:33:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, this is a very uh it's very it's got to be very flattering, though, if I know he's upset about it. 

01:33:31 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, he loves it. Come on, he loves this he loves this fuck. 

01:33:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
People are losing money they're sending it to the scammers. 

01:33:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, he's actually a little bit worried. I heard him in one of like the other spaces uh, george, big like spaces guy yeah, he's showing up in them. He enjoys the conversations content man and he was like and then a bunch of them, oh, and someone has aboard of his. There's people running spaces with a George soundboard. 

01:33:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They are literally just talking to themselves using a George soundboard. This is what he has become. He is the most interesting man in the world. 

01:34:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Honestly I mean, it's already April Like maybe you've got to like I don't want to miss NFL future season, though that's where I want to be with George, but maybe I've got to push this trip up like strike, while the iron's hot, like George has never been hotter. 

01:34:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know, a month from now he might be even bigger, but he might have bottomed out Might have bottomed out. Might have said the wrong thing. 

01:34:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You got to do it before he starts tracking kelly in vegas. That's the thing, because it's gonna go downhill, it's gonna go down. That's because, like at that, yeah, that is the one thing. I say this as a george super fan. It's the same way like I, although their views are like maybe similar but different, I love they do. It's every up until well. It's not enough to make me like not be a fan. But I am not in I. I don't agree with like a lot of the women's stuff. 

01:34:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, if he's going to do the whole tracking thing, he should also pick some men. 

01:34:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
A hundred percent. It feels like he has a personal vendetta against every single woman in the industry, a hundred percent. And I'm going to issue a challenge out to George right now. It's not too hard to track more than one person. You can track two people if you want. 

01:35:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He did track Chernoff. 

01:35:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He did track Cherno track train off but you can add someone else to the list. There's a podcast called the favorites and I think you should track them. It's as simple as that. Sure, I think you'd get george this summer you'll have our leftovers. 

01:35:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You know what I'll? I'll talk him into that. By the way, I don't know if you heard the spaces that george was on he? He was slouching on his couch and in the background, his mom started yelling at him. Where's the cut? Cut For not. I don't know. Does anyone have a cut? 

01:35:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't I don't if someone can find it in the slouching, he's yelling for slouching on the couch, first posture. 

01:35:46 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
And then he's like, and I'm like, wait, George, is that your mom? He's like, yes, I'm like, can he comes back. And he's like waiting outside the washroom for his mom. He comes back and he's like mom, come here. Mom, mom, come here. Give a shout out to the spaces. What? Give a shout out to the spaces who are? 

01:36:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
you talking to? Do you think she's aware of how big? 

01:36:05 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
he is online. 

01:36:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
She'll find out when we drop by in a limo, do you think they'll say, hey look how many followers you have. She's like oh, that's nice, george. 

01:36:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think she would be shocked, as would everyone in his family as to how popular. 

01:36:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
he actually was, it's true, I've always made it a point of pride and a point of emphasis to be honest and transparent with our audience. And look, I'm just going to be real with you here for a minute. We're incredibly proud of what we've built at Circles Off. The audience we have is both smart and loyal and, honestly, better than what most channels could ever dream of. But it's also frustrating for us sometimes because we evaluate the competitors. We see other channels out there with much larger followings than we have because they're better at gaming the YouTube algorithm, and the truth is, youtube rewards engagement. 

01:37:02
It's not enough to just make good content. We need likes, we need comments, subscriptions, shares all of it to get pushed out to more people. So if you've ever gotten value from this show whether that's entertainment or betting, education if you believe in what we're doing here, we'd really appreciate it If you could help hit the like button, leave us a comment, sub if you haven't already, and share it with someone who would really appreciate it too. It sounds small, but it's the only way we can grow this thing and keep pushing circles off forwards. Thank you for riding with us. It means more than you know. We'll move it on Chopping block, our final segment. These are topics that were recommended by you on Twitter using hashtag Circle Back and we have some opinions on them, but we couldn't really work them into a full segment, so we'll go through these rapid fire style and I don't know this first. 

01:37:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't know, we could do rapid fire on this one, but first one up Jason, our own guy. Thankfully he's sitting here today At Takes by Jay. This was on april 12th. Posted breaking sources are telling me that this giveaway referencing a team math giveaway, which I'll talk about in a sec, was never paid out and team math sports will block anyone who asks her about it on twitter hashtag circle back. So this was the original post from april 5th, which was taylor math is posting about a march Madness prediction plus giveaway. I'm giving away 1K to one lucky follower that predicts the winner of March Madness correctly. All you have to do to enter is follow these two accounts, reply with your March Madness winner below and you're in. So the national championship was on April 7th. Jason went five days, talked to the person who won they had not been paid out and came out with this expose piece. But, jason, you explain what happened because Team App responded because she did end up paying out. 

01:38:55 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, that's very true. They did end up paying out, but at the time of the tweet the winner was not paid out. That's a fact. I messaged the winner. Do you think it's realistic? 

01:39:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
to have. Well, okay, that's a, that's a fact. Yeah, but I message the winner do you think it's realistic to have? Well, okay, five, five, hold on, hold on. I mean, I've sent swag to people who haven't got it but she's also not the one paying it. 

01:39:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
She's gotta like pick a winner, pass it up a chain. 

01:39:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's, I'm giving away 1k okay but listen, listen, listen wait, you could. You could argue that I was early. I'll take that criticism. But if you think that the process didn't get expedited and the winner got paid three hours after this tweet, by the way, if you don't think that would have happened without my tweet, I think you would have been wrong. You're probably right and like who knows? 

01:39:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't think the winner would have never gotten paid. I think you should have let it breathe a little bit. 

01:39:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Okay, I will happily take the criticism that I was early for this. Five days is reasonable to me. 

01:39:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm giving away 1K. Follow all in HQ at Slot Squad. Wait pause, mind you also. You're not being fair. 

01:39:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You're not being fair she responded Listen, the person didn't get paid out and I tweeted about it. 

01:39:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I feel like that's a fair thing to do, did you? 

01:39:58 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
get 10%. No, I did not get 10%, 10%. But also I want to point out that she responds. 

01:40:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got $0. 

01:40:06 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Let me be very clear about that. But I want to point out that she responded to this tweet. By the way, she unblocked me to respond to me, which was worth it. 

01:40:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I found very nice. 

01:40:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
She blocked me again she unblocked me to say that the winner got paid out and I told her that that's not true. But anyways, she posted a screenshot of her text with whatever group which she was in and they said specifically hey, the winners announced Can you retweet this stuff? She never retweeted it. None of the follow-up of the contest was on her main page. So again, listen, maybe I was early, I'll take the criticism on that, that's fine. Bottom line is guy was not paid out and, listen, was he gonna get paid? 

01:40:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
out. We will never know right, but he has paid out now and that's it, I will say. My additional reaction to reading this tweet was a big time eye roll. Okay, huge eye roll, also with the hashtag circle back like you're trying to create content for the show, which was another eye roll. He's a company man. 

01:40:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm defending jason. Thank you, jason did this. No, no, because other people do this. They create content specifically and hashtag circle back because they want it to be on the show. 

01:41:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe that's because they think it's so good that they want us to also talk about it, but I think you give the company a little bit more leeway to pay off a thousand bucks, I think that's fair. 

01:41:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's a fair criticism, like if, if pizzolo is running a contest, listen a contest through like a content creator, we're giving away money Like there's. Let it breathe and hold on, because I feel like I could be wrong, because you are a hero Like you get to wear a cape here. 

01:41:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm not looking for the hero tag, I'm just the voice of reason. 

01:41:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know whether you were right or wrong about this. You held her feet to the fire earlier in the year about some cash contest. 

01:41:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, no, no, it was Jason's. Jason's had a huge turn. 

01:41:50 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah Well, she blocked me for the dumbest reason. I got a lot of watch fans. 

01:41:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And it was a I don't know where exactly it started. 

01:41:56 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Let me let me be clear. I was a fan before she started the crypto. She got involved with the crypto stuff you're also not a big fan of the passes. 

01:42:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I remember you, you, oh well that's. 

01:42:05 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's everything that came out post crypto and just things still does that feed still get um. 

01:42:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can check how does it work like and this is public information, I'm not like disclosing anything here, but like she's close to almost nine months pregnant now, right? 

01:42:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
she's. 

01:42:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
She's got eight months pregnant I believe so how does the passive stuff work? 

01:42:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
there's some people that are into that, so they might even pay more. 

01:42:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I guess, yeah, so she did block me. She blocked me for pointing out that she posts she's selling a five-second video for $3. And I asked her what about? This is good. She blocked me for that and again listen. I'm sure she gets hate from people and that's not fair. 

01:42:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you should block those people, but blanket blocking everyone, I think, is bullshit. 

01:42:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're turning me back onto a fan of Taylor Matthews, we're going to send her a nice baby gift. 

01:42:50 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Are you going to pay for one of those five second videos $3? Be a good baby gift. Maybe pay for it past a couple of months. 

01:42:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, like an actual baby gift. 

01:42:59 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Like an actual gift. Reach out to her or does she have you blocked? 

01:43:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm for sure blocked, but I'm not looking to engage with her in this way. 

01:43:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm just saying I would have waited a little bit longer. 

01:43:13 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You know what that's fair For the expose. 

01:43:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Jason followed up his tweet. He said the win has been paid out. 

01:43:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If this was, tweeted by Omar instead of takes by Jayay, it would. It would be like it's totally within his brand. Okay to do something like that, okay, but to drum up some sort of controversy, that's not there. Well, also the you like. 

01:43:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Take it like the first thing you said is I'm giving away 1000, like I was giving away money for a sports book this weekend. Some of the tweets might have said like tell me, tell me who ruined your thursday at the masters, I'll give you from this. Yeah, that doesn't mean the money. What like the money? 

01:43:56 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
wasn't mine. I'll listen, I'll take all the all that criticism. The bottom line is someone wasn't paid, I got wind of that and then they got paid, and then they got paid. So so like and again, I'm not trying to play hero, I just someone who's I'm not going to call her a scammer, but like someone who's known to have been involved in some shady organizations over the past. Right, okay, she's, you're right now like I don't think there's anything wrong with holding someone to the fire like that you could call it early. 

01:44:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'll take that that's kind of fair. And then from the other side, pozzolo is like runs a contest gives, or runs a company gives away contest. Even the stuff with like is albert not being to edit, it's just there's. Um, sometimes it just takes like it's annoying. Sometimes there is like a stupid chain of events that has to occur before people even get the price. 

01:44:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
there's a difference between a thousand dollars and that you have to mail out, though. 

01:44:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, but even you can transfer a lot easier to send $1,000 than go to the post office. 

01:44:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The border returns half the swag we send out anyways. 

01:44:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not even You're right, I'm not comparing, I'm just saying there is sort of like I get it, there's a gray area. 

01:45:00 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Just like a chain, I get it, there's a gray area. 

01:45:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Listen, I think Just like a chain and they're like approving the contest from their promotions department Like it's this whole like annoying thing a couple days. 

01:45:10 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Honestly, I'm curious to hear what the comment section has to say if they think I was early, if they think I was wrong, if they were. 

01:45:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I like it. You know what, though? I appreciate you're on the beat. Yeah, I'm just trying. 

01:45:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Listen I appreciate your work on the beat. I think somebody DM'd him and he ran with it really hard before doing any fact checking. 

01:45:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No. 

01:45:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I asked the guy. 

01:45:29 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah you asked the guy that DM'd you. No, no, I asked the winner. Yeah, on Instagram. What'd you ask him? Did you get paid? 

01:45:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Unsolicited no. Did you ask no, but like yeah, that's what I'm saying. Okay, but like these are fair questions. 

01:45:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Fine, that's fair, but still, he told me he was reached out to once and he hadn't been paid. 

01:45:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, and then you tweeted that after. 

01:45:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, well, he was not paid. 

01:45:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Breaking sources are telling me you buried the lead man. That's the lead right there. 

01:45:58 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
What that he got reached out to, but it's not paid. 

01:46:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, yes, okay, fine, fair. They obviously had the intention to pay. 

01:46:02 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
They need his info. 

01:46:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They need the congrats he won. Pass along the Venmo PayPal. Whatever it is they want. Give us a day or two, we'll get it, whatever. Yes, I like that you're on the beat. 

01:46:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I like that. You're on the beat. Listen, it's my first time doing something like that. I will take all the criticism. 

01:46:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're going criticism, you're gonna do more like, okay, I will. I will next time, next time I this is like a man of the library no, that's not. 

01:46:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's not true. That's not true. Hold on, hold on. I don't appreciate being lumped in with someone who consistently lies about stuff when there is here's the man of the library routine. 

01:46:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, someone dms him on twitter and says, hey, I heard so and so did this, and guess what happens? He then goes into space and he states it as a matter of fact everyone yeah. 

01:46:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But to be fair, though, that's not coming from the person involved who knows 100. Like man library gets information from these random people. Jason got it specifically from the person who hadn't got a page. 

01:46:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was confirmed that the person had, but the full, the full gauntlet of questions that needed to be asked was not asked fair. 

01:47:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
maybe some more questions could have been asked. Okay, I'll follow up harder next time, that's fair. 

01:47:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm learning. 

01:47:08 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm happy to learn, I'm happy to improve and there's like enough. 

01:47:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
When you go deal with GRP and Jeff in Chicago. You got to ask the right questions. 

01:47:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Okay. 

01:47:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You can't just, it's not one and done. 

01:47:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Noted. 

01:47:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You've got to realize Taylor will give enough things that you can give her a hard time about. 

01:47:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Exactly, you don't need to Exactly Over time you're going to get your chances to scourge these people. 

01:47:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
They will come. I waited and waited for Zilbert to edit his article at midnight to tear into him. 

01:47:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I could see the smile on Jacob's face when he was telling that story. He knew something was coming. He got his opportunity. They will come. They're going to happen, naturally. 

01:47:50 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Listen, I'm not perfect. I'll take all the criticism. I just thought it was the right thing to do at the time. 

01:47:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
All right, we live and we learn. This next one here Now we got a rapid fire. We've been running a bit long. No, no fire because we've been running a bit long. Yeah, uh, no, no, that that needed its time. Uh, dale d'antoni at, uncle chel says so. You mean to tell me? Sean perry wins goes on this crazy hot streak pretty much directly after his little boxing match. That got him much more exposure. 

01:48:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I'll be damned hashtag circle back I want to take this really quickly because I just want to say I don't even really want to talk about sean perry on this show. I just don't want people to think that I'm ignoring it altogether. What Dale's saying here is that it's kind of like he's fabricated some amazing record after he's gotten a bunch of exposure, which is honestly very probable that that happened. Here's the thing with Sean Perry. Sean Perry is spending a ton of money to document his life and try to get engagement on social media. All the engagement he's getting is pretty much negative because everyone thinks he's a clown, but we are still giving him that engagement. 

01:48:56
So what I would say to the audience is forget this guy exists and just don't interact with him. And if you don't, he'll eventually go away. Because right now, every post he puts out there with, like you know, sitting in his underwear, with money around him or whatever the fuck he's doing everyone's commenting telling him how stupid he is. Guess what the way the twitter algorithm works? They don't know that these comments are negative, they're just serving them up to other people. So I'm done with sean perry. He's a grifter. He sells picks, he he's trying to make money off of very innocent people who don't know any better. And uh yeah, it's not surprising to me that he's amassed an amazing winning record that nobody could verify after he's starting to well some people may have seen some deleted posts or maybe, like he's, he would only showcase the stuff that won, of course, Naturally you know every single bet. 

01:49:47
he goes in places over the counter at Circa or some other, always fucking losing Is the fight. 

01:49:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
still on Is his fight still on. 

01:49:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't know. He was like 1 and 11 before the fight too, so it's like nothing Whatever. 

01:49:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Your waist isn't in the shot, so there you go. 

01:50:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
yeah, your legs covered now, I just outed myself. Um sorry, I that the perry elf staged fight. Is that still staged? Uh? 

01:50:10 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I from what I believe. Yes, mazzy pulled out of his fight yesterday with elf, which was weird because he initiated it. He's trying to get elf to fight some other, like really jack dude, instead. I don't know. Whatever, it's a disaster, as it always is next tweet. 

01:50:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Oh no, next tweet comes from rob himself saying a lot of people have asked about a draft prop show. I think this is in just so rob can get it out to people who keep asking for it. But people keep asking for a draft show. But you're saying it's hard to recommend bets when the books are taking 50 a pop and moving off that. That's not helping anyone. Sadly, that's what the nfl draft betting has become yeah. 

01:50:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I included this because I posted this and immediately got a bunch of messages dms from people or telegram messages about it being like a direct shot at adam churnoff, which it's kind of an indirect shot at adam churnoff. It's not a direct I I don't. The problem with the content space is that no matter what you put out in the betting side of things, it's going to be met with criticism. You put out something on game day. People are like well, you can't win on game day, why would you put that out? You put out something when the limits are too small. People are like why are you putting it out if the limits are too small? There's always going to be someone who's like you should not be posting this regardless. 

01:51:25
I'm not a big fan of the draft content that's out there right now because the market is so limited, but at the end of the day, if you're just trying to build an NFL brand and you want to talk draft, go for it. I just don't think it's super valuable for our audience to be doing these types of shows. I don't think it's helping. 

01:51:38 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
We tried it a bit last year too. I can speak a little bit towards this on forward progress and like again, the. The biggest issue we ran into is that like there were times where we record a video and the turnaround time it would move after that Right Cause, like it's just not where, it's frankly not worth it. And then also on top of that, like if you're betting into these small markets and you're moving this, moving this stuff off of the content, that you see, like chances are Right, like it's super easy to get limited on this stuff anyways, the value isn't really there. But if you like the NFL draft and you want to watch the NFL draft you didn't tell me to do this, I'm doing this myself. We're doing a live stream on Forward Progress, most likely, so make sure you subscribe. 

01:52:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you know that you're probably hosting that right. 

01:52:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I know I'm hosting that. You know that it's very likely the Leafs. The last two years I had to do Ruins my. We have a great draft party when the Leafs are playing. Takes away from my draft party. 

01:52:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I'm going to see Metallica then. I think Jacob's going to be at that show as well. I am. Are you inviting him up to your booth? We'll see. 

01:52:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
If there's space in the box, he can. You should. 

01:52:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But yeah, that's going to be great. I want it to potentially go to Ottawa. Those are likely the Leafs road games. Oh yeah, it's going to not work out, but yeah, I am very pro-better, like Kirk, is always pro-book. Yeah Well, he's an agent, it's okay. 

01:52:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's over my head now. That being said, when it comes to the draft, I'm actually pro book. I think they have the right, like I don't even know why they let you guys like come in and free roll this shit. 

01:53:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, I agree, I'm not. I would never book NFL draft. 

01:53:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Why would? 

01:53:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you not that I'm a bookmaker, but if I was, uh, like it's an information based market, You're just going to get picked off by Sharps If they wanted to put up nothing until like 10 days before the draft and even then have the market small. 

01:53:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I wouldn't even criticize them, and you know me, I like to criticize them for almost anything we know why they post this stuff, though it's not like they. 

01:53:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
This is more marketing than anything else it's all just to get like because if, I'm if I'm the average joe and I see, like, and I want to be on the nfl draft and I see that my sports book that the one sports book that I go to, because most average Joes do that, like the one sports book that I go to doesn't have that offering and it's a large sports book. I'd be pissed. I'm like, come on, I want, I want to get some like I don't know, travis Hunter first overall, or like Ashton Jean T first overall, because I'm a psycho and I know nothing about how the draft works. I just want a little bit of a sweat at this point. 

01:54:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They are partners. They are league partners, true, and not only are they league partners, they're partners with so many content operations. It is actually like feeds, the content machine, the draft conversation, yep, the, the. The props are as relevant as the mock drafts. If you listen to a lot of shows, so you're right. It is almost there to facilitate the content for which they are paying so much money to sponsor to begin with in many cases. 

01:54:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, totally agree. Next one up here it's a video of Dave Portnoy using a hammer. 

01:54:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is old. 

01:54:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is old. Yeah, oh is it. This is old. This is really old. It's resurfaced this weekend. 

01:54:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is old. This is really old. It's resurfaced. This is when he got like a dog, miss Peaches and she was escaping At the end of. 

01:54:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Okay, well, anyways, it's just from at still gray posting the resurfacing the video. 

01:54:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He very clearly does not. Do you know who? It was? An engagement beta account. 

01:54:55 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Do you know whose account this is? Political engagement beta account. Yes, this was a hashtag. 

01:55:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I only want to comment on this Because I hate when stuff like this Dave who gives a fuck? If Dave Portnoy Can't not use the guy's like building a content brand, he's not building a fucking patio Like a deck in the back. 

01:55:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not hiring who gives a shit. 

01:55:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know how to change a tire On a car Like you kill me. 

01:55:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
If you want to make content, watch me use a hammer. 

01:55:18 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Exactly. I mean, that is very on brand for us, yeah, I guess. 

01:55:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I get like sure, watch me, watch me like cook. 

01:55:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
A nail in a two by four? How many times you have to swing before you get the? 

01:55:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
nail. 

01:55:29 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Have you guys ever played Stumpy? 

01:55:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What's that, maybe by a different name, I don't know. 

01:55:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You get a block of like a tree, like a little stump from a tree. 

01:55:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, you put a nail in it the first. 

01:55:40 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
like you go back and forth. The first person who gets it in the other person has to drink. 

01:55:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So this is your a drinking game. It's called Stumpy yeah, where you get the stump of a tree. There is a stump on the tree, on the side of the road. 

01:55:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This doesn't sound too bad. 

01:55:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
It's actually fine. It's obviously a little dangerous, but Well, as you get like you, one swing and if you get it in, the other person drinks I'm in the circles off in may, jeff versus jason and stumpy. 

01:56:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't do like um you don't play like assembly assembly. 

01:56:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
These hands aren't for assembly required they're for smashing bets on your phone. That's it, yeah, no, they're not. Hands are for betting and betting only I know. 

01:56:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
but if you think like if I, when I was a kid and I wanted a toy, if it needed to be assembled, my dad was, like no, pick something else. Like we can't assemble, we don't Feinberg man, we don't build things. 

01:56:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Right. Next one here comes from PayTheVig at PayTheVig1, who posted a video showing the audio from a recent Spaces where NBA Green Beans was talking about winning $9,000. This one I didn't quite understand completely, so I hope one of you has a better understanding of it. But NBA Green Beans talked about winning $9,000 on a specific day doing betting, but his paid service took a loss on the day. 

01:57:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The same day. That's exactly it. 

01:57:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He was mentioning that he was betting on exchanges and he had a really good day even though his paid service had a losing day. Oh, that's so good the same day. That's exactly it. And he was mentioning that he was betting on exchanges and he had a really good day even though his paid service had a losing day. 

01:57:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Brett, it's a horrible. Look First. 

01:57:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Brett Hilton. Well, but this is the problem. Yeah, Brett, you offered to pay for his legal services if he ever had like. 

01:57:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that guy was going to sue him, but that guy was going to sue him. But listen when I, and then Brett's like yeah, feinberg, you're the man or not that that was ever real. He's like, yeah, I like Feinberg. Then I say other things and he doesn't like me. Well, it's not really him, because he is like Elf's bodyguard, he's Elf's virtual bodyguard. I made a comment in the Elf space last week in the prop swap show that triggered elf a little bit. But in being triggered you can see his like thumbs moving really fast and then magic 20 seconds later guess who appeared? 

01:57:55
snuffle up, I guess. 

01:57:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, bret appears enough to snuffle up, I guess, but I could be wrong. Jeffism, is it snuffle up or snuffle up? I think it's snuffle off. 

01:58:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh yeah, I could be wrong, jeffism, is it Snuffleup or Snuffleup? I think it's Snuffleup. Oh yeah, I could be wrong, I don't know I could be wrong as well. 

01:58:08 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's still a Jeffism, by the way. 

01:58:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Snuffleupagus was Sesame Street? No, sure, but it's still a Jeffism. 

01:58:18 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, I think that was more like TVO's version of. 

01:58:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Sesame Street, but this is on Sesame Street, yes. 

01:58:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Don't worry, it's all good. It's all good, okay. First of all, on this side of things, this is like again why you should be very cautious of buying picks from anyone. 

01:58:35
There's lots of people who can win at betting. Being able to deliver that value to the clients is very difficult. End of story. It's that simple and there's going to be a million. There's a situation like this every single day where someone touts a bunch of picks that lose to their clients. They happen to bet something differently and they win. It's just another criticism of the entire pick selling industry. 

01:59:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
But again I want to reiterate if you can't win on your own, no tout is going to help you convert yourself to a winner. At least I don't think, and you definitely. If you can't win on your own, you won't be able to tell if someone is a winning better or losing better. So it makes it even worse. 

01:59:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You know through all the haze of Rory winning the Masters. I don't see very much on Twitter, but I saw a video of him in a Brett and the Sparring thing losing a tooth. 

01:59:25 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That is also apparently fake. A lot of people calling out saying that there's no picture evidence of Brett losing a tooth. Someone asked him last night on Spaces Wasn't willing to post a picture. I could see why someone wouldn't want to post a picture of them with a chipped tooth, not everyone's, george. 

01:59:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I know who just wants to smile in front of his pancakes with a chipped tooth. 

01:59:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm just really out on every boxing buildup. I'm really out on every boxing buildup. 

01:59:48 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, there's only one reason why he does this because it's obviously a major payday for him from the sponsors. 

01:59:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, of course, but does anyone give a shit about the buildup? No, maybe I'm the minority. No, no, no, no, no. 

02:00:00 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't think anyone cares. But, you almost have to to promote it. That's part of the Sure. 

02:00:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I could be wrong. I just don't understand. Like Elf says he's in a content house, but he's like I gotta get a sponsor to pay for this house. Yeah, so they don't have a sponsor yet, they're just doing it on the fly. 

02:00:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, I assume they have a sponsor, but he's not going to get paid until they actually fight, because last time they were supposed to be a fight they pulled out, and this is the second time we saw recently that someone's pulled out. There's now two times where there's been one occurrence of a fight, two planned events sorry, three planned events and two of them people have pulled out. 

02:00:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, the next one here. 

02:00:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
There's no specific tweet to go with it but it's just I jumped the gun on that, sorry. Well, jeff's asked for the floor. Yeah, well, no, I think jeff wanted this one. I actually think jason suggested it, and jason as a neutral party, yeah, or I don't know how neutral might. Uh, because when I came in today, jace reminded me that I pushed a button on elf last week, so why don't you talk about it? 

02:01:01 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
well, no, yeah, there was just the prop swap thing going on. You, uh, you said your piece on prop stuff, which I thought was really good. That guy's a loser, we don't have to talk about that. Um, I feel like it's already been yep beaten into the dirt friday show did. 

02:01:12
Yeah, oh, it's all coming back to me yeah, and and as a part of like what you were talking about with the prop swap, you're like I commend you, elf, because like you've graduated from like hustler to scam something along those lines, you might call them a scammer. Yes, I did, but actually remember it differently. 

02:01:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Elf encouraged the prop swap guy being like like I know it's tough today, but you know, in a week no one will remember any of this I responded that's great advice from elf. 

02:01:39
He's transitioned from like hustler to scammer. I said Elf and scammer in the same sentence. He got very, very worked up and I would just present this question to you guys, rob and the room, jacob, the audience Does money need to be involved for you to be scammed? I'm asking you, in your opinion and I could see from Elf, elf's perspective, if someone thought no, if I don't take your money, you were not scammed, uh like. 

02:02:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But there I. I think you get scammed without money being involved I would agree. 

02:02:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You can feel like you've been scammed well, no, okay, let's say. 

02:02:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Let's say I like somebody, I needed work done on my car and somebody said they could do it for me and they do it for it for free and they'd fuck up my car. Yeah, I didn't pay for it. So what was I expecting? Right, I would still be aggrieved. 

02:02:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I didn't spend any money. Yeah, so I think the answer is yes to that, go ahead. Sorry To further the point, though, because you're getting at this to be like larger question is is alpha scammer? Is the larger question? 

02:02:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
yeah, well, I think he's long past hustler, like hustler was like two months ago. 

02:02:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I find it incredibly disappointing what things have become, because every one of the main stars of the show, who are on every single night, are just a bunch of grifters in the space, like every single one like mazzy could be. 

02:03:11
mazzy is net worth is 50 more than 50 times mine, probably. That doesn't change the fact that he's accumulated wealth from scamming other people. You have the jw roided guy that's on every night yelling into the mic for half an hour. You have fucking man of the library who's like basically a co-host at this point Every night, who's grifted so many things in the past where he's like who he's aligned himself with, to me is just very disappointing, because people are like oh you know, rob, like you, you contributed to this and whatever. And sure we talked about it. I mean it was a storyline. I've met Elf in person. He was a great dude in person. I would hang out with him anytime, but there's like I would say to him I don't want anything to do with these other people. 

02:04:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
El Springer and the freak shows are on the on the desk. Yeah, I would now put it. No, elf is on as much as he's the host. Yeah, elf is on that stage with them. It's like he's part of the person who slept with his wife, sister, like he is fully involved in the I'm just using a stupid Jerry Springer analogy. He's like fully involved, as much involved in it, especially when he wants to like pretend that he's fighting these people for the honor on some level. He needs these people, but then again. 

02:04:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The prop swap spaces Was great. 

02:04:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I thought so, but from a numbers perspective it's not for him and because I called him a scammer, he did not even like me saying good job on the spaces, yeah yeah, I thought that was an incredible spaces there's a there's a story that's very big in in gambling twitter. 

02:05:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now let's have that person on instantly right. Let have letantly right. Let people question. That to me is peak content right there. The rest of the stuff I don't care about, but at the end of the day, he is now trying to monetize this and anyone who tries to monetize. There are people who are I'll say quote they're going to sell out in a way where it's like just the amount of money they make is all that matters, and I think that's what's happened. 

02:05:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I will say, though, that I don't think he is a scammer. I'm going to say that I agree. I feel like you could like Jeff from your perspective he is, but I like I use this analogy before. 

02:05:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's like I think he's done a good job of like working and scamming his audience a bit. What's the analogy. 

02:05:42 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Okay, well, the analogy I had was that, like wrestling, like the biggest thing here was the push-up bat, right. 

02:05:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, no, no, that is more of a hustle, that is a hustle, a hustle. A hustler and a scammer are not the same thing. 

02:05:55 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, even with the Sean Perry fight right Like he's doing what he can to promote it. 

02:06:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it's all a scam. 

02:06:01 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Like him being mad, I think him and Sean being enemy. I don't think that's a scam, though, because like listen, like obviously in wrestling, everyone behind closed doors is friends. I'm sure there's like disagreements and whatnot. 

02:06:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So that's what it is then. 

02:06:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And you can bet on that's what it is, so you think wrestling is a scam too. Like I don't think wrestling is a scam. No, I'm saying at least this is entertainment, though. 

02:06:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
When has this ever not been entertainment? 

02:06:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay, hold on a second, that's fine, but this whole thing, in my opinion, the whole thing is like he has been scamming his audience. He keeps saying things are going to happen that don't happen, from the Amanda Vance thing at the hockey game to some like Foss thing with Library running it, like there's a lot of things that don't have to involve money. Now, if your peer view from, like, a gambling standpoint is like a scam can occur without you losing some money, I don't like totally disagree with it, but I don't think a scam can only occur at the hands of money being exchanged. The other part of this that I find fascinating is he doesn't like he has 17,000 Twitter followers yeah, which is a lot, but it's not enormous. And he doesn't really have Instagram followers. And, like I know how to like monetizing your Twitter followers is not the easiest thing to do. No, it's very hard. Yeah, yeah, totally agree. 

02:07:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
And you could also see that, like his engagement falls off when it comes to the fight stuff. I don't think people are as as into it as some people think. Like there will be other tweets where he gets like many more likes on those things and then he tweets about the fight and he'll get like 20 likes. 

02:07:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
14 responses and then fine if we're not again, if we're not like fully at scammer, we are swimming in this area in that part of a pool. 

02:07:47 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
We have long past the hustler range yeah, and I think, well, that's fair and he's got like I always believe that he has to be neutral and it sucks that he's kind of maybe swints pushing the pendulum over to that side a little bit more, but again, like I don't think, I don't think he's a scammer I think the closest argument I could get to him being a scammer is that all of these people are assisting in growing each other's brands. 

02:08:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Agree, that's what this is all about? Yeah, it's all one another helping each other grow. So by aligning himself with, uh, sean perry, mazzi, you know, amanda vance, man of the Library, jw Luke, all these people that are grifters themselves you become a grifter yourself. 

02:08:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's not just like the host of Big Brother in this, he is part of the crew. 

02:08:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And then when people start to come after the crew and you start to defend them and mute other people, then we're at full. I don't know that I'm going to say scammer, but I definitely find it pretty unpleasant nowadays, it could be trending the wrong way. 

02:08:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I think it's the best way to put it. 

02:08:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I think it's trending in the wrong direction. That's just my personal opinion, but some people do love that. We're going to end on one more here. 

02:09:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, last one comes from Lucy Burge, who we kind of went at on the Friday show, but a bit of a different light in this one. She says if you're an adult man bringing your glove to a baseball game, I have absolutely no issue with that. Have the time of your life. What's our take on grown men with glove at the baseball game? 

02:09:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Was this in reference to the guy? I forget his name? Yeah, okay, it was. 

02:09:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh, zach Hample. Yes, the worst, one of the worst humans. Yeah, he would be perfect for Elf Show. 

02:09:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay. 

02:09:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Don't give him suggestions. 

02:09:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Don't give him suggestions. I will say this you could do whatever the fuck you pay your ticket To a baseball game, do whatever the fuck you want. If you're a grown man and you're not there with kids and you're going around Carrying a baseball glove, I'm probably going to look at you Like a little bit. But any ball, like every ball, has got to go to a kid 100%. Like we knew a guy, jeff, he would push Like a 4 year old kid right, like he's upset. If you're going to be a grown man and you are bringing a baseball glove to a game and you do get a ball, that ball's got to go to 100, so I've never got a foul ball before. 

02:10:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay, like in my life, we got to go to a baseball game, bring your glove buddy the only way you could catch a foul ball. 

02:10:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Where I sit is, if it go so far in the sky it would just plop into your I'd love to see you at the rooftop bar or what but? 

02:10:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm saying I'm not getting no foul ball. They got the nets there. My point being is I still having not gotten one, it's like a thing Like anyone I mean, it's not like hole-in-one level thing I want to do, but I want to get one. Now the problem is if I get to keep the ball. 

02:10:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, you find the closest kid and you get. Do you bring a glove to a game? 

02:10:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Get the hell out of here. 

02:10:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what I'm saying Like I brought a glove to a game until I was five years old and then I was how old is I would go when my grandfather would take me, we'd go early for batting practice. 

02:10:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, stand in the out to bring your glove. 

02:11:05 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
How old is too old to bring a glove to the game? 

02:11:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know that there's any too old 27?. 

02:11:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You can still catch the foul ball Like my wife would love you bring a glove to a game, and this is why you're asking. 

02:11:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't know you actually do. I haven't been to a game this year so I don't know yet. 

02:11:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You want to go Wednesday, jason for sure brought a glove. 

02:11:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He definitely brings a glove. No, but even then, like at your age, you're probably going to spend half the time in your seat watching the game and half the time at the bars and stuff. 

02:11:31 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I would say more than half the time at the bars. 

02:11:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's what I'm saying. You can bring a glove, but for what? 

02:11:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
To catch the ball to give it to a kid? No, I'm kidding. Obviously it's to catch a ball. What else would I be doing Getting the glove? 

02:11:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
for, but then you're just giving it to a kid, yeah so I get the enjoyment of fielding a fly ball, and then you get the applause of the section. He wants to be the hero again. 

02:11:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He wants to be the hero 13 is too old to bring gloves. 

02:11:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, 12 is okay. 

02:12:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's my cutoff. They put the nets up. There are no foul balls. Whatever they can hit a home run, Well, there's no foul balls that are direct line drives. 

02:12:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's still foul balls, yeah, I know, but like you don't want to get I mean I had one whiz by my head at a Royals game before like direct liner down the third baseline. 

02:12:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Is it crazy to bring a baseball glove to a hockey? 

02:12:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
game, I did get hit by a puck. If I ever saw somebody with a baseball glove at a hockey game, it would be appalling Like a goalie's mitt. 

02:12:29 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, that's a good idea. A goal catcher why don't you bring the goalie's mitt to the baseball game? A blocker Smoke someone else instead. 

02:12:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Bring the goalie's mitt to the baseball game. 

02:12:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh man, we're going to wrap it up on that. This has been Circle Back as a reminder. Like, subscribe, do all that stuff. It's great for the YouTube algorithm. Of course, back on Friday with the B team, and there's a little bit of a replacement this week no fluff. So we've got a special guest for the Friday edition as well. Peace out, thanks for watching.