00:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
coming up in a brand new episode of circle back some athletes are dumb, like, literally, someone who's made tens of millions of dollars in the nba, implicated in a betting scandal. 

00:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's a pretty stupid decision this could have the same sort of like you scare the shit out of them before they get the chance to do it. 

00:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You know who do we need to win. I'm like, ah, we got no one in the mix. 

00:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
She's like stop watching are you fucking like scarfing it as soon as? 

00:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
you get it. 

00:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Jeff, you listen to it. 

00:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't even think you did it justice. Firstly, I stand in solidarity. 

00:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Oh, my God. 

00:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I stand in solidarity. 

00:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Disclaimer. The content presented in this show is intended for entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed are those of the host and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of any individuals or organizations mentioned. Statements made about public figures or entities are based on publicly available information and are not intended to harm or defame any person or business. This show relies on fair use of social media posts, which are presented in good faith for the purpose of commentary and criticism. Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions. It's a brand new episode of Circleback here on the Circles Off channel, part of the Hammered Bedding Network and presented by Kalshi. Welcome back everybody to the channel. Today we've got the main cast back in action for the Tuesday show on July 1st. Happy Canada Day to all of our Canadian listeners. You see myself rocking the Canada jersey, even though they unfortunately lost in the Gold Cup quarterfinals at Guatemala. The other day we got Rob in red. I don't know if you guys didn't get the memo here. Jeff and Kirk. 

01:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Not very patriotic of you two. 

01:58 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Honestly, it didn't even cross my mind. 

02:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I got something a little red coming up. 

02:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
All right, I don't even know what he's going to do. 

02:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's his face in anger when we get to a certain topic. I've got an accessory today. I didn't make the Canada connection, but I guess it'll play. 

02:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
We'll wait and see. I am Jacob Germania. I'm your host here. On the Circle Back program. We have Rob Pizzola, ceo of the Hammer sports. Better. We've got kirk evans in here for the first time, seasoned nba. Better. We have jeff feinberg uh chargers, superfan avid golf mayo media network, all the great stuff. Kirk, your first time here. What do you think of the new studio? 

02:36 - Kirk Evans (Host)
feels good to be in here, feels good to be back. 

02:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I feel like we haven't like be, I haven't been in person and feels that's true over a month, so good to be back yeah, we had to put some pictures behind jeff this week because he was he's very upset last week that he didn't have the brick background and his looked a little bit too plain I don't know it's. 

02:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I wasn't complaining. I leave it to the. 

02:55 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I mean you were very much I was just asking about the shot he was concerned. 

02:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He was concerned about the shot. 

03:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I like I might start complaining that I don't have any pictures behind and this is again the second straight time we've been here where there is someone like we're in a building and that's a stairwell, and now it just seems like last week there was like a dude. It seemed like he was making frantic work or personal calls. Now there's a girl in there. So I'm just, my eyes are wandering, a lot of wandering eyes in this part of the city too. 

03:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'll tell you, kirk, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean I know what it's supposed to mean because he explained it to me if we brought george here, he would die. Oh yeah, I, and I know exactly what you mean he would die. 

03:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It is sun rest season for our very for our viewers. 

03:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It is a very trendy neighborhood all of like the ladies who work at night. But I don't even mean like professionals, I mean like club hostesses. The hostesses at the nice restaurants, yes. The strippers, yes, the ladies of the night, this is every like out of town girl comes and moves here. 

03:58 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Why do you think Rob chose this? 

03:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
location. He brings up good points. I mean, it was the rent. That's what it came down to. But the location's nice. Jacob lives right around the corner from here. 

04:10 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Why do you think Jacob lives right around the corner from here? 

04:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
His neck must hurt the head on a swivel. 

04:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, it's a good thing that Jeff is going to be making that trip to Chicago for George and not the other way around, as Jeff said earlier. Yes, very good. But let's get into some of the meat here. Let's get into the big topics. Malik Beasley was the biggest topic on gambling Twitter this week. It's yet another professional athlete in hot water over gambling-related allegation. This comes from Sham Sarania of ESPN. From sham sarani of espn says breaking the us district attorney's office is investigating detroit pistons guard, malik beasley, on allegations of gambling related to nba games and prop bets. 

04:51
Sources told espn serious development surrounding one of the top nba free agents. Uh, there's some videos that came out about. Uh, this one here. So there was a video that circulated by at big underscore, business underscore, saying yeah, he's finished. And it's a video that circulated by at big underscore, business underscore, saying yeah, he's finished. And it's a video of Tyrese Halberd dribbling past him as if he's literally not trying to play defense, he's just standing there. We have a better explanation for that in just a moment, but to go through it all here Kirk, you said this. 

05:18
I certainly remember games in the first half of his Bucs season that the movement on his rebound props was very strange, was very suspect. Half of his bucks sees him. That the movement on his rebound props was very strange, was very suspect. Pips nba, who does nba content for us here at the hammer on the board youtube channel, said multiple times in the show this season that this dude was super weird and always went opposite of any logic fucker. Raheem palmer says. I can't speak on this current situation at all, but I had a source who told me malik beezy went broke on the plane playing Bure with other NBA players when he was with Milwaukee. So maybe there's a pattern here. I don't know If anybody doesn't know, bure is just a popular card game amongst NBA teams on away trips. 

05:55
Kirk, you shared this to kind of further your point on the rebound markets and you said here is the movement I'm referring to Beas movement, I'm referring to bz open two and a half rebounds with the under at plus 118, move to minus 256 before being pulled. The movement made absolutely zero sense, but he did go over last one here. Actually, we'll save this last one here. Let's go with this one. First of all from you. Could you explain this one a little bit further for us? 

06:17 - Kirk Evans (Host)
yeah, absolutely so. This was I like over a year ago, year and a half ago, and I remembered it clear as day. He a year and a half ago, and I remembered it clear as day, he opened two and a half rebounds at like plus 118. And it just got bet down all throughout the day. And I price these markets. So you know, sometimes you'll see movement like this. Maybe, you know, maybe a tout releases it and it moves a lot. Or you know, a guy goes from starter to bench and or there's an injury and you could see movement like this. 

06:49
But I distinctly remember this specific prop made no sense and also something you can tell when something's a bit fishy, which I don't remember. The college basketball team that was implicated as well. But when you watch the screen, the people have no care about price at all and it was very apparent here, like caesars was the bet that kept getting hit and I remember at the time that, like other bucks, had way better lines right and no one was really taking those lines. It was just continuously getting bet here here. So, like it was notable enough that I saw it, I sent it to my betting partners that I work with at the time and even though, like my model, showed a massive edge to the over, I was like there's no way I'm taking the over. 

07:36
And then, right when I saw the tweet, I remembered exactly around the time it was and I knew it was a rebound prop. So I went back and found the tweet. But the thing thing is the bet lost. So at the time I kind of dismissed it because I was like the bet lost and even now I don't know that Beasley's implicated in any way, but I would say very confidently that someone thought Malik Beasley was rigging his rebound prop in this game. I don't know if he was involved in that, but I would say that very confidently. 

08:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
And to go back to this other one we talked about, where it looked like he literally let Tyrese Halliburton blow by him. 

08:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, this looked like a smoking gun for me. I watched this clip and I was like I don't know basketball all that well, but it seems like zero effort on defense. 

08:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I can see why somebody would watch this and think he's cooked. However, I would assume milwaukee were just switching everything and tyrese. Halbern pointed as if there was a screen coming, so it's actually like a really smart offensive play by halbern malik. Busy's not a great defender, so he was probably a little bit of autopilot mode as well, expecting a pick and roll. So when he thought the screen was going to come, he was expecting a switch and he would just be guarding the guy up top. So haliburton made a really nice play there, but it does does not look good. It made him, if to like. To somebody who's not as invested, yes, it would. It would absolutely be pretty damning evidence I agree with you. 

08:56 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It also still is a brutal defensive play like he doesn't feel the screen at all. 

09:00
No one behind him is calling anything out and he just assumes the halliburton point is real, but I do agree with you that is, it's more likely malik beasley, the bad defender, made a bad defensive play than is betting against himself, and it's just really funny that, like he is implicated, I'm pretty confident and and I think pertum tweeted this as well of after january when he was a milwaukee buck, but there's so many people tweeting like I knew it when he went 0 for 9 from 3 this season, like there's no evidence that he was rigging things. You know this season prior to last, like before last season, but it allows people to in their mind, like I saw people thought he was rigging the Knicks piston series because he fumbled the ball late. 

09:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah yeah. 

09:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But that's just like that's natural now with sports and betting tied in, and it's like I was on the golf course when I got this push alert of Malik Beasley being investigated or whatever, and my first reaction was like yeah, like it's just a matter of time before more and more athletes are going to get implicated in this one. I hate to say this, but some, some athletes are dumb and they take unnecessary risk, like literally someone who's made tens of millions of dollars in the nba implicated in a betting scandal. It's pretty stupid decision, in my opinion. Maybe he's broke, I don't know the situations or so on and so forth, but it is going to happen. 

10:28
What I like to do in these situations, though, is is like look for old tweets, and there was a lot, there's a lot where you could look back that go dating back a year or or more, where people are like it could be in jest or whatever, but it there's tweets that people are like something's not right here with malik, somebody need there's literally a tweet that said somebody needs to investigate malik beasley, and this is like from a year and a half ago. 

10:55
So I think for some people doesn't come as a um as a surprise. For me, it's just I get sick and tired of the discourse around whether or not modern day betting is causing more of this to happen, because, if anything, I feel like modern day betting has brought more visibility to the entire space and these types of things are easier to catch now. Certainly, I think that there's the possibility that an athlete might take those risks now because we do have markets like sgps, we have props for everything like it's way easier to to be able to facilitate a fix than it was a long time ago. 

11:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's so much more accessible to bet. 

11:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, but it's also easier to catch. So it's kind of like a double-edged sword, right. 

11:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
There's the good and the bad, so let's dive into that a little bit more, because we do have the topic here at the end of the slide which says from Todd Furman said everyone will say legalized sports betting is to blame for this. I'm going the other way without legalized sports betting and the protections put in place by various governing bodies. 

12:10 - Kirk Evans (Host)
This would continue to take place in the shadows instead of remaining unchecked. Yeah, it's. It's a hard one, because we hadn't had very many of these stories prior to legalization and you don't know if that's because it happened and people didn't get caught, or it was happening, or it just wasn happening. So it's a bit hard to parse. 

12:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
In the moment this feels like a specifically NBA problem. I'm not saying this isn't happening in the other sports, but the NBA is conducive to it because the roster's small, the bench is small, there's prop on the ninth guy. With football and these other sports, hey, like, how do you put this? There aren't so many players, aren't even in a prop market for you know, your backup, your third linebacker or offensive line or defensive lineman, they're in that market and a receiver, like not catching a ball, who's like in a fringe position seems like you know pretty hard to digest a guy who's not going to start, or a regular mlb, or coming off the bench. 

13:11
You're not going to have like a hip prop or will he strike out today. I this is just very conducive with the nba. I'm not saying it's not happening, but we haven't seen it really in the other sports yet. Rob, when it happens it happens in the other sports, it's usually because they're betting on basketball. They're getting caught for betting, not necessarily on themselves. Basketball is where it's happening, where guys are betting on themselves. 

13:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it's where they're getting caught. First of all, basketball has a lot of liquidity in the prop markets, I would say, and so does football, but you're not going to really see that in hockey there'll be like way too many alarm bells. I based off of the hockey prop movement that I see on a daily basis, so I think there's who could fix a football market a receiver. 

13:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Well, here I'll give you an example the center, what I got a call on on the morning of super bowl sunday. 

14:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That said, if the chiefs get the ball first, here's going to be their first play of the game okay it was their first play of the game. Now that information is coming from somewhere, it's being leaked by a player, someone that's on a coaching staff, like it's originating somewhere within the team or could be originating from the offensive coordinator's kid. 

14:20
The same way 100 100, but but it's it. The the news is coming from somewhere close to that situation and you don't tell someone that like you're telling someone that with the intent that's to monetize, yeah, okay, but that's different. 

14:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think that's a lot different than the individual player taking his specific prop into his own hands. But well, I agree, there's ways for I agree with that. There's there are ways for ancillary staff members coaches to find a prop or two that they can hit, but I, I don't think these are the same things. Yeah, well, to your point. 

14:58 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It's way harder to catch what you just said of like this is going to be the first play than like a player rigging their own props because there's also so many ways to bet. 

15:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The first play is like, let's say, they don't get the ball first and they force a turnover, and now that first play is in the red zone, it's probably not that play yes, like there are, it's less like there are ways you know the kick return goes to a certain place, they get up I was also told the chiefs had a special play plan for when they were in the red zone or at the goal line, and it never materialized, but it never materialized because they never got to that position in the game. So that's, that's the only reason I'm mentioning that. 

15:37 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It's not, yeah, it's not like uh the only thing I'd push back on the nba, even though I do agree with you like it's much easier to concoct like a long shot bet on yourself in the nba than any other sport. But the reason you think it wouldn't happen in the nba is because the rosters are small and the salaries are so big. Like there are definitely more players in the nfl. Sorry you know, but those players can't facilitate the prop yes, yes the guy who's and we're. 

16:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's that time's, and it's that time of year, friends. It's that time of year where NBA free agents are about to sign contracts and NFL superstars are about to lose their mind on the internet. We are entering that moment of summer in the upcoming minutes. To your point, I agree. 

16:18
There are people who are on NFL rosters that might not even have enough to retire with four kids, right they're not guaranteed money their careers are two kids right to live like a full, like their kids aren't set for nothing that they make so much less than the 9th, 10th, 11th NBA guy they could want to make that bet. I don't know where they get the opportunity to even bet on themselves, unless they plan on doing something horrible which would then spike their career by horrible. I mean I don't fumble. The fucking punt returns on purpose. 

16:58 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah. 

16:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Like there's less opportunity to get two chances, but the thing is, if they do that, they're not getting back in the game. Beasley misses a rebound. 

17:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's sort of where where I'm going. 

17:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
His minutes are not going to be hurt there on the topic of money. 

17:10
I just wanted to add a bit more context to this. Potentially this is more motion like confirmation bias, but it's just interesting to think about. So this is his time in milwaukee. This was after his second. This that was his third contract. So his second, his extension. After his four-year rookie contract, he signed a four-year $60 million contract with the Timberwolves $15 million a year. When that contract ended he didn't really have a big market, so he signed for a minimum. So he went from making $15 million a year to $2.7 million per year. All of a sudden this year for the Pizzi he was making $6 million per year. All of a sudden this year for the pizzi was making six million. He thought he was on track, probably like today, to get a pretty large extension in the range of the 15 million dollars he had originally. But is there something there that all of a sudden he was making way less money than he was before? 

17:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
these guys spent a lot of money, 100 players go broke. 

18:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, look at alan iverson had an amount of money he bet over the course of his career and then he bought a bunch of jewelry and had no money left at the end of his career. 

18:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They love to buy the things that depreciate the fastest, so nothing would shock me. I also have to cop to something. I can have no opinion here. I literally took to this morning to realize that this player wasn't the second overall. Kansas State, michael Beasley, it took me I did not even realize until this morning we're talking about different guys. 

18:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Kansas State angry dad coach at that school. 

18:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's how I remember Michael. 

18:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I do remember Michael as well On this Furman tweet here. I do think legalized sports betting is at least someone somewhat to blame for this. For sure, like you, you can't not absolve the like regulated. The reason that these are happening is because they can happen. Like think about pre-regulation. Right, we were all betting offshore ppa. Yeah, you could bet some props, but like there was no SGPs there was. There was like really no innovation in the space for a long time and if you, if you, really wanted to bet something, it was going to be really, really, really, really obvious. Now that's happening in this case as well, but it is getting flagged because of legalized sports betting. So you it's both are true. 

19:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You had a friend who was like a pro athlete. 

19:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

19:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And like in your inner circle, like your main group chat. Yeah, I know some of your buddies a bunch of mongoloids, mine are no different or better Like even at a summer cookout, be like bro, like one time. One time, like even for shits and giggles. You'd have a buddy that would be like you know one time. I don't like, I seriously would never do that. I will dude. I know a guy that just started a new job with the team. 

19:50
I'm afraid I'm not talking about eager I'm afraid to like even communicate with him now out of respect for his like. I'm not. We're not even breaching this that's exactly, literally. 

20:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Every eric eager, obviously, who was a part of this network for a while, vp of analytics for the carolina panthers literally every time I send him a message. Now I think about, like, if someone from the outside looking in saw this message, how would they perceive it, knowing that I'm a better and he's part of a team like I take that pretty seriously when it comes to eager, takes it pretty seriously no, I know I know a part of you. 

20:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, I'm not accusing you of this, oh yeah, but like you were dying inside to like message eager about a draft tip, I'm like not like jokingly dying inside, like, oh, it's a little different than that here's the. 

20:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Here's the honest to god truth. I would never put him in that position, of course not, but there's a little different than that. Here's the honest to God truth. 

20:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I would never put him in that position, of course not. 

20:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But there's a part of me that sat there and said fuck you know what. It would be like really amazing if he just messaged me and said hey, rob, we really like this guy. You know, like I'm like. I'm not going to ask him. I'd never do that, but it would be amazing. And obviously he's not not going to do that. 

21:07 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I had a a significant position on an nhl draft. Prop this, whatever a few days ago this week, and I have a buddy who's an nhl agent and I, yeah, desperately, I wanted to message him. Yeah, but I never would because I know it puts him in a shitty spot and you just can't do that well, do you see, like it's a uh rogers fired merrick last year after the draft. 

21:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, because he was leaking draft picks just to his friend with a blog to have them. Couldn't even bet on them when he was leaking them. 

21:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that the person he was leaking to was telling some other people. 

21:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think it ended up yeah they were tweeting it out before the television show announced it. It caused a problem, but yeah, but yeah. 

21:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This is not going to Last word on this. 

21:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
if you're really last time, if you were really like let's say you weren't rob pazola very successful, good situation just leveling up with your new house and you're like really down on your luck. Yeah, if maybe I gotta message him. Maybe I gotta message him. 

22:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If that man of the library hex finally kicked in on me, then maybe I would have to message someone else. Maybe I would have to message someone else. Maybe I would have to message someone else. 

22:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Maybe one day we talked a little bit about the politics of sports betting, legalizing sports betting. Now we're going to dive a little bit more into politics itself. Briefly, we're not going to go too deep into the weeds here, but a little bit of discussion around the nyc mayoral race winner, because we got odds posted up on kalshi here and we have the official democratic nominee. Well, what's his name again? 

22:32
zoron mandami 72 chance of winning according to the, the trading site here 72 cents for the yes, 29 cents for the no. Eric adams at 22 in second. Andrew cuomo six percent in third place right now. Kirk, you have some thoughts on this market right? 

22:50 - Kirk Evans (Host)
yeah, let me give context. I believe I'm a pretty good sports better. I'm not sure there's much evidence that I'm a good politics better well, you can't be much worse than fluff, so do you? 

23:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
have a documented record that proves you're a good sports better uh, I, I do actually. 

23:06 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Um, but yeah, zoron, look, I'm not gonna say I like his politics at all, but I do have a position on him at around 70 to win the new york city mayoral race. I think that this is a pretty classic spot of people are giving a lot of like kind of longer shot reasons as to why he could lose. All the money's going to be against him, everyone's going to you know, uh, banned against him, the damn establishment's going to go against him. But like to me, the simplest explanation is he just won, uh, the damn mayoral race. New york's a very left-leaning state. I think that that's by far the best piece of information we have. He way overperformed the polls in that race, so I think he's probably more like 85% to win than 72%. Also, eric Adams is like net approval at 20% has been in scandals. Cuomo literally just lost to the guy. How is cuomo? 

24:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
cuomo no, is 94 cents. 94 is uh, mine it's basically minus 1600 yeah, there's zero, zero missing there. 

24:15 - Kirk Evans (Host)
What am I like? What am I missing? 

24:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I agree, but eric adams is less popular than quote so, eric adams, no, 80 cents there's not only an opportunity to make um money on this crazy man, but there'll be a follow-up opportunity when he wins the mayor of new york and people think that this is like a domino. You come back in on the next side because this shit's not flying anywhere else. Like he said, he ran against a guy that killed your grandmas. That was part of an establishment. Yeah, that was a womanizer. Yeah, I mean free buses. 

24:53
These fucking homeless people are going to be going on the buses yeah who do you think's going on the free bus one day of free buses? You're not ever going gonna want to be back on that bus. Yeah, crackheads, people listen. Sometimes you might enjoy watching like some public sex, but it's gonna be happening on the bus, you know I mean it you're gonna open up the bus for free. 

25:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, I know I I'm with you, I'm just not as passionate. I just love how passionate you get about these subjects. 

25:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh, this motherfucker we could do a show on, but not on this network, If he doesn't win, who's going to win? 

25:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Adams Adams will win. So how? Yeah, so like. Yeah, he's going to win, Like. I bridge that Not betting advice. Not betting advice, not betting advice. 

25:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But he's gonna win como no, 94 cents seems like a no-brainer to me. No, I I agree. Here's the thing about this guy, though every day I don't even think it'll stop him. Every day there is like a new insane video from his past yeah, oh, totally, and tweets and like, like, literally specific text of like no, I'm going after the white neighborhoods yeah, that was a really bad one. 

26:09 - Kirk Evans (Host)
That was actually recent too, that was. That was actually one of the dumbest things, hey you know how? 

26:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
it's actually not even the dumbest thing. He's actually stood by, to be honest also from cal she. 

26:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
We have the open championship winner market, which I wanted to highlight because we got tomm Tommy Fleetwood in the mix. We talked a little bit about his latest collapse last week. Is Fleetwood actually? The fifth most likely According to Calci. Yeah, so Scheffler's at 16%, mcelroy's at 11%, rahm is at 7%. Dechambeau's at 5%. Fleetwood's also at 5%. So 5 cents on the yes, 96 cents on the no for Tommy Fleetwood what are but five? So five cents on the yes, 96 cents on the no for Tommy Fleetwood. Are we thinking what? 

26:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
are we thinking the no for this one? What are we? Is this just like? Let's pick on Tommy again? 

26:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, you're the one. You're the one who's I don't bet it. 

26:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But I don't need like this is just setting up to drag. 

26:55 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Tommy. You got it and I watched it. I think he might be my favorite golfer. 

27:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think I'm going to bet this Tommy Fleetwood, the biggest legend ever. He's the most lovely chop around. He's actually fucking hilarious. 

27:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You would never realize that Tommy Fleetwood is a funny guy. I watched that with Grant Horvat as well. That was sick. I like Tommy Fleetwood. I'd like tommy fleetwood. I'd like to see him win, but he's like the fifth most why are we doing this? Because open championships coming up and you seem to be a pretty uh okay yes, I don't like agree with tommy fleetwood's odds to win the open championship. 

27:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't think that's like the greatest bet. I know it's not relative to the kelsey markets, but sometimes I feel like tommy's pre-tournament bets are a way to squeeze his ancillary placing bets because he is such a reliable finisher, yeah, that if you had a true outright number then people would probably pick off the T10s and the T5s and the T20s because he is so consistent despite not being able to cross the line. 

28:00 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I'd cry for him if he won anything at this point, let alone the Open. 

28:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I would wait. You'd wait Like if it Okay you tell me when. I'm just saying there's no way, like Tommy Fleetwood is getting under 25-1 to win. 

28:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what I'm saying, so like in two weeks when the tournament's actually here. 

28:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's probably going to be back to what Tommy is for a is for a major like 33, 35, maybe a clip of 40, yeah you, I just wouldn't bet him. I don't think I'm betting him, period, because I don't. I I'm that'd be cheating, like I quit the betting part of that. 

28:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But I think you'll get a better part. 

28:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Explain that further I don't bet on tommy to win golf tournaments. When I bet on him, it's, like you know, george eating oatmeal. I call it like a cheat week. Okay, because I try to, just not. 

28:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm a fan you think that your heart is getting in the way. 

28:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, I just also what he doesn't there. He just lacks like a, a clutchness. That I think is a bit undeniable. Yeah he doesn't got it to invest in that I don't need to invest in that, but I can want it to happen. But I'm saying there's times like florida, there's a lot of tracks in florida that I think really work for him. And then when I bet him a joke like this, my tommy cheat weeks. Yeah, that that's what I meant. We're doing. Well, let's move on. Well, we I. 

29:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not used to seeing I suck as a golf. Better suck. 

29:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I tried time so you were just shocked by his odds. 

29:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's like a 96%, no, and in a two-way market, by the way, which is really nice. 

29:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Here's the other problem. 

29:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's like minus 2,400. So many of the great. 

29:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
the golfers that people like that should be ahead of him on the odds board really have also sucked for the last three years, that's true. 

29:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So, and he's playing well, and there's a lot of people that I just don't want to bet on. 

29:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm going to bet Eric Cantor, so he's playing well and he's going to get squeezed a bit. Your boy, hideki, had his wife on the bag this week. I saw that and he's like no, no, no. 

30:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sorry, was some miscommunication there? Oh, I don't know. That's what I saw. 

30:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
People, I think that I I'm gonna double check. I don't know he's. I think that was fake news because he's gone to great lengths to hide his wife. Yes, just like out of any spotlight. I think that could be more of like a japanese press thing. Yeah, so like he's gone to great lengths to hide her and then to see her on the bag. Yeah, very jarring. 

30:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, let's I don't know for sure. I think it was fake. That's my fault. 

30:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This is also no, you put tommy in there, you just did that okay. 

30:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, I knew, I knew you'd start talking about it. I got you teed up on it, but I'm sure this is one that's gonna get rob talking, because he really wanted to include this tweet from chelgod. Uh, used to do work with book it, I think, does. I think he still does sports betting content. Um, I think we would describe it maybe as not the sharpest content, but put out something, a message to gambling. Twitter was a one-minute video that I'm going to transcribe here for you guys. Listening in, he said I'm going to crash out real quick because it's 2025, and I shouldn't be scrolling through my feed seeing multiple people a day getting scammed by illegal offshore betting websites. And yet here we are. 

31:07
There's no integrity integrity in it whatsoever. I remember a kid back in college who, anytime his book, would owe people thousands and thousands of dollars. He would just completely shut down the book and not pay a single person. It's been a problem for years and still a problem. Currently. The way you should be betting is legally on a regulated book, and the best part about it all of this is that they actually kind of cater it to the person who's betting to the better, like yourself, because you can contact support 24-7. You can figure out how much money you're up and what you're down and, the best part of it all, you actually get to withdraw the money you win. Whoa, what a crazy idea. If you want more information, go to truthandgamingorg, because this problem needs to end, and it needs to end now. I'm so tired of seeing these guys get away with it. It's upsetting, all right. 

31:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Go for it, rob. Sorry, truthandgamingorg, but what? 

32:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
exact sorts of books is he talking about? 

32:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's confused it. But what exact sorts? 

32:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
of books is he talking about? He's confused. 

32:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's like when someone shows up in my DMs and is like you want an account. This guy is, this is the most like uninformed minute rant that you'll ever see in your life. 

32:12 - Kirk Evans (Host)
But I wouldn't call it uninformed. This is like if he got like paid by like, this may be a bit of an extreme example. But like paid by ISIS to do like an ad read for them, that's a little bit of an extreme example. 

32:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, but like genuinely. 

32:25 - Kirk Evans (Host)
that's how I feel about this tweet Like he is spewing nonsense that he was told to say and what he said made no sense of. He was talking about offshores and then mentioned the PPA. 

32:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, so like, he's very confused as to what an offshore is in the first place. Right, like BetOnline is offshore. Bovada Bodog like or Bovada Bodog like those are offshore brands. Bet365 was until it entered the legal market. Like that's an offshore. 

32:50
That's different than a PPH, which is pay per head, could traditionally be like a local bookie, right, you'd meet up with someone at the end of the week, you'd pay them cash and, of course, when you're dealing with illegitimate businesses, they're gonna screw you over many times. Right, I get that. I would advise people as best as possible. Yeah, probably, like for most people, it makes sense to use legal markets. Right, this man here worked for BookIt for years. They promoted prize picks nonstop and I have zero issues with prize picks, by the way, I don't like listen people be like oh it's, you know they limit, they do whatever, it doesn't matter. But they're also an unregulated site that's operating under the guise of like a daily fantasy game or whatever. It's the same shit as basically bet Like you're not betting into a regulated market when you're doing that. This man promoted that for years. So how can you be the spokesperson of regulated betting Like you can't? It's the most hypocritical video and it's completely nonsensical yeah, he. 

33:48 - Kirk Evans (Host)
When I was listening to the video I was like is this an ad? Like why does it sound like he's doing an ad read? 

33:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
and then he was doing an ad read that's exactly what I didn't catch the truth in gaming dot org until this. 

33:57 - Kirk Evans (Host)
The read through by jake yeah, no truth you probably didn't make it to the end of the video obviously like whatever uh, like group paid by like draft kings and fan duel and all them to try stop offshore gaming. Like I get it. Yeah, obviously you do face some risks with the offshore. You know what these offshores are also regulated in, like curacao yes, I've had a better time with fucking curacao gaming. Yeah, then I have for sure. I hired a lawyer in curacao. They sent like uh, legally, got paid immediately. Awesome. Like beautiful, this guy is a. 

34:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is you're a fucking idiot well, the, the flops, flops said this best along. This was on a previous episode of circle back, I want to say a couple months ago. Right, but as a better, you're always evaluating, like risk and reward, and there's always some semblance of risk in betting. Doesn't matter whether you're betting in a legal if if a legal book thinks I'm multi-accounting. 

34:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They're gonna fucking close the account but that was my point to the poker game. Right, yes, like gamb, like anytime you're doing something like that, you have to be taking the risk that a something isn't on the up and up, yeah, or something like can totally, yeah, get screwed here on many levels. It's all part of it. 

35:08 - Kirk Evans (Host)
100 and also, obviously, I do agree that, like, if you're just a wreck, better, you should obviously be betting at legals 100. I'm with you on that for sure. Yeah, for sure. But just like, just, he obviously had no idea what he's talking about. He probably got this literally like sent to him this script, imagine this story. 

35:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He also his like recounting of the story in college. Like people are still betting with the guy who stiffed yeah, his friend, the friends or the acquaintances like that's the time where you know we're done with this guy exactly. 

35:42 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I didn't understand that part of it and that and what he was referring to was not offshore. That is not offshore. 

35:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He was referring to like the monorail man in the simpsons like I'll go to campus I'll burn one campus, I'll go to another campus yeah, yeah, he's talking about yeah, his local book. 

36:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Listen, when I was, when I was like 18 years old, I made a lot of money and I was like actually scared to go pick up the money from. Don't don't bet with people like that, like I. That was all I had at that time. Now you have other options. 

36:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So, yes, I, there is like I want a lot of money there. Yes, you rough through a guy that rob knew to go to some cafe in woodbridge yeah, exactly, oh yeah, I got the money for you down in the basement. 

36:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's like money. 

36:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Money had an odor not good or bad, but had an odor not good or bad, but had an odor like that. Money had never smelt like to me. But I drove up to Woodbridge. I sat in the cafe and Kings won the Stanley Cup that first one. 

36:40 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I remember that. 

36:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that was a great one. Listen, I haven't said this in a long time. I'll bring it up one more time For anyone who's new to the channel. Which is like 50% of the people watching. So I used to consult for sports books in the offshore space. Here's, here's like, there's this. 

36:55
There's this preconceived notion that they just want to fuck you at all costs. They are operating a business just like everyone else is. They don't want to completely screw you over. That is harmful to their reputation, especially nowadays with how hard it is for them to get business. 

37:10
Usually, when you have people getting screwed over, you see these stories on Twitter and I say usually, because not all the time usually it's someone breaking terms of service. They've multi-accounted, you know they bet. There's so many reasons that you can get caught for cheating and a sportsbook wouldn't want to pay you out. But at the end of the day, there's a risk assessment with everything and for some people, maybe betting with the local bookie right now is the easiest way to go about things, Because regulation is supposed to be put in place to protect. Well, I don't know what the actual motivations were, but let's just say you don't have a ton of protection right now when in the regulated betting space. If someone closes my account and I have to go through fucking the insane amount of hoops to get that money in the account, and that's in the regular regulated space. So I don't know this. 

37:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This whole fucking video just pissed me off I don't know why last word, last word, yeah sometimes I get mad at kurt because he simps for the books and stuff. Well, but I don't know, get understand why sometimes people treat sports books like they're any other industry. You go to a restaurant. You have a horrible experience. The food sucks, the service sucks. You don't like how you were treated. They didn't make you feel good. You don't go back. Yeah, I agree, you go somewhere else. 

38:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That go somewhere, they either make it right, good, you don't go back. Yeah, I agree, you go somewhere else, go somewhere they either make it right or you're gone right like that's the way the world works with a retail experience. 

38:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's kind of the same. So I like sports books. Are this no different than that to me? 

38:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
yep, agreed good last word there, jeff so, uh, I actually didn't transcribe it correctly. 

38:43
It's truth in gaming, yeah org not I figured that out gaming for for anybody who wants to go to the website that I think he may have been paid to promote. But on the topic of gaming gaming is starting to come potentially into the classrooms, but not maybe in the way you think, because we have alfonso straffen. A straffen. He says a bill aims to have new jersey high school. High schools teach kids about the risk of gambling. Physical education, health instructions would teach the course. With more teens gambling than ever, new Jersey may change what high schools teach about it. So interesting one here. But how do we feel about gambling into the classroom? So let's go to the dad here. 

39:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Incredible. I mean I'm sorry we were like. Apparently kids today don't drink nearly as much as people our age. That had to start somewhere with the public schools smoking. Almost like I'm I don't loiter around a high school, I don't know what goes on there anymore. My children aren't even of that age, but I imagine there are way less kids smoking cigarettes out back. 

39:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, then we're when we were in high school right used to smoke in the stairwell. Never mind back. 

39:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He's too lazy, whatever so that's just tricking. That from the record this could have the same sort of like. You scare the shit out of them before they get the chance to do it. I fully applaud this, especially when they are just eight-year-old boys who love football or love watching a basketball game and they're mesmerized by steph and lebron and these great players and they're inundated with that shit that makes it look fun and cool and easy. 

40:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This should be nationwide okay, so I agree in principle and in theory. 

40:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You think it's a gateway to show them you can gamble. They see it watching the game anyway. 

40:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't disagree with that, but there is some downside that you're offering exposure to people that would have never even come. This would be taught to females as well. Jeff right, a vast majority of them. 

40:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So if one kid isn't going to take the condom but 12 other kids take the condom, but 12 other kids take the condom. Okay, then why, like, we should still hand out the condom? 

40:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
the curriculum for that, though, is fairly straightforward fair right sex education. It's pretty simple to teach apparently not anymore. 

41:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You're gonna have physical education and health instructors teaching the that guy, that is, that teacher, got burned, owes his bookie three grand. He's gonna like you don't want this shit. That's my point. So one, so nine kids will get the message. One won't. We'll have one problem gambler and nine kids. You got the message. What do you? 

41:24 - Kirk Evans (Host)
think like to me. I think it's pretty straightforward. 

41:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You just talk about the risks of, like, addicted gambling and, and so my whole point and then, as they get older, you show them the math about how dumb they are to make that single game. 

41:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not, I'm not suggesting. 

41:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This is a uh, bad idea well, I'm just saying it has to figure out what you're saying it has to be rolled out correctly. 

41:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I have fears in the gambling space with everything We'll be sponsored by FanDuel Something. I just have general fears because of living my entire life basically through gambling. Anytime there's something that's supposed to be rolled out, that's supposed to help betters or do this or have some sort of positive impact on society, it doesn't. 

42:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It just doesn't you're right, and I wouldn't trust the teachers unions to figure out the right way, exactly. 

42:11 - Kirk Evans (Host)
That's my entire they seem to have figured it out with alcohol and with cigarettes to a certain extent I think we all agree because, again, I I even remember being like taught about drugs and stuff in class like it's not, like they give like a two-sided perspective, they'll just show the absolute worst of the worst. You know, this guy lost all his money and is homeless and they just scare you and it's a good way to do it, like they're not going to be. Like, you know, if you get minus 110, but the market's minus 123, it's actually a pretty good bet. 

42:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They're just going to say, like people get addicted to gambling, watch out for it they'll show you a video of like a guy who gets dressed for work every day but he lost his job because he's an alcoholic and he just wanders downtown. Yes, and you're like that's the most depressing thing I've ever seen they'll just scare. 

42:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't want that, which is how they should do it yeah scare the fucking shit out of them. I think they should. 

42:58 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I think that's how it has to be taught, because gambling is different. 

43:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right, like you, you, you, you know you take a puff of a cigarette, fucking half the kids in high school first time they smoke a cigarette. They're disgusting, they want to throw up anyways. They're like I don't want this shit, it's not for me anyways, same with booze. 

43:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I have to drink the mike's hard lemonade. 

43:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're like 100 kids drink beer. They don't even like the taste of it. They wake up hungover. They're like this isn't. For me. Gambling has all these small little wins that even when you lose and you're going through a period of like this, this sucks you still try to win the money back. You still have like that, you experience that euphoria of winning. It's very different than other vices. That's all I'm getting at with it. 

43:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So maybe you make the videos, we sell them to the public schools. 

43:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I like that idea. I don't want to sell them, I do them for free. 

43:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I would literally do it for free, Sorry that's. 

43:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yes, you call it master class or something like that Fucking guy. Next up we have a topic that was brought up by at BoomersBets on Twitter, who said let's see who really likes gambling when all we have left is MLB and tennis. Kirk, you're a big NBA, better. So what are you up to in the dog days of summer with betting? 

44:09 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, well, w is going on. I love betting the W and then summer league's next week One of my favorite times of year, honestly. Nba draft you get much down. No, I actually had one bet and lost. 

44:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Drafts are harder than like ever. 

44:23 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah. 

44:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Ever. That's one thing. I'm not saying you can't because you can work it, but they really even books that let me bet, like even the draft, like 68 max, like okay, they know what they're doing, yeah this tweet really resonates with me nowadays. 

44:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
When I was young, summer came around, I was betting baseball like I bet anything that was going on, but I I like the break that baseball offers and it's like for me. I mostly bet football and hockey. So once, like I, I just have a break. So I don't like it's just the way that the calendar is structured. I mean, if mlb and tennis were going on over the winter, when we have shit weather here, it's cold I'd be a big mlb in tennis better. But like it's the summer now, I'm choosing not to bet these sports, one because I don't have an edge with them, but also because I just like you want to go golf, go outside, yeah, exactly honestly swim in the pool like yeah as much as like I win money if I have a guy running or winning a golf tournament. 

45:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's that my wife jokes like I want you to like. It's almost like if I have no one in the running, I'm outside hanging out with the family, and if I have a guy losing in the playoff, I'm out there, you know just okay, guys, you know, buy some lego. If that guy misses, the putt, doesn't miss. 

45:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's so funny you mentioned that because, like if I'm watching a pga tour on a pga tour on a sunday afternoon or something and my wife's like you know who do we need to win, I'm like ah, we got no one in the mix. 

45:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
She's like stop watching well, the pga tour literally runs and I make fun of them for it like a circus monday night raw-esque schedule. Yeah, um, and they'll be like you don't have to watch every week. Like they're like they'll. They don't like say it directly, but they're like. We know we play a lot. Yeah, you shouldn't like have feel like you need to watch every week, but if it's dinner time and saturday or sunday, you know exactly where to find us. Cbs, mbc, we will be here for you if you want us. Yeah. 

46:25
But we encourage you to like sometimes do something else. 

46:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say as a rec better, like when the rec portion of my life. I fucking love betting MLB Like I was never a tennis better. It's just not my sport. I don't follow tennis close enough, Like a lot of the where the events are being played, the time you know it's. Sometimes it's not conducive to betting. I loved betting baseball when I was young, in the summer, Like there were so many things you could bet. 

46:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Would you watch the games? Or you just have eight bets and like whatever happened happened MLB. 

46:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
TV back in the day. 

46:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, they have the quad screen. The quad screen through the games. 

47:14
You know you could put your players that you had props on and you'd get an alert when they're on deck and you switch over like that. That's a product for betting that I loved betting mlb I just now I prioritize other things, but yeah, mlb invented streaming and then they sold the technology and now their their product is in trouble because of the streaming ecosystem that has replaced the local TV ecosystem, which was so huge for baseball. And the irony is they literally invented streaming. 

47:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Side rant here. I love MLB TV BAM BAM Media is what it was called Was such a great product for me. I want to say just over a decade ago, probably between 2010 and 2015. I don't know when it first launched, but around that time I loved it. 

47:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It was sort of 2010,. 

47:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think Around then when DAZN DAZN launched in Canada and they had the rights for NFL games. If you remember that first season, the first NFL Sunday, nfl sunday was so bad and I tweeted something like I just ripped them in a tweet and they sent people from their london office to my home to watch nfl week two with me. They showed up with like a kate bucket of beer snacks. They were watching in my house. It worked perfectly that day. By the way, they're like what's like. What's the problem? I'm like it wasn't like this last week. 

48:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It wasn't like that happens when I have like the rogers guy over to fix my shit yeah it's always glitchy, and then it's perfect as he's there. 

48:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's the worst but they asked me they're like what could we do to improve this product? I'm like I can't watch like one game. Like you got to do the quad screen. You ate, you know. Like you got to figure out a way to get me more games at once for soccer, for full. They're like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in the works, don't worry, we got that still it fucking never came man so bad, it sucks. 

48:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Well, it was on apple t. If you have an apple tv box you can do it on quad box to onto the zone. 

49:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But you need apple tv box. That's way above my pay grade. 

49:05 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I don't know, even know, what that is it's, it's like just an apple tv, like instead of roku, for example you have a apple tv device don't even get me started. 

49:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
no, there's a whole other sports for, as popular as it is with people our age, I'm telling you the streaming it's gonna hurt sports. You have to feed sports to six and eight year old boys. It has to be fed to them for free. Yeah, literally that is like sports might not be in the same place in a generation from now, because streaming has made it less accessible. 

49:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jeff, when I was eight years old, I watched at least two hours of sports highlights per day. But when you were eight years, old. 

49:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The Leafs were on Global, the Blue. 

49:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jays played on CB. 

49:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like sports. When we were kids, it was obviously streaming and to watch the whole leagues. I understand you need streamings, but for people kids to even see their local home teams, they're shooting themselves in the foot. They think they're doing something great by getting all the streaming money. Yeah, I'm telling you they're, they're not sucks they're hurting, sucks, they're hurting the future of their product. 

50:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, I'm with you. Let's go to the comments that we had from the previous week's show. We have a couple of good ones here and a bunch of comments as well from stuff that wasn't on the show, which we'll get to as well. But the first comment comes from john fresics, from stuff that wasn't on the show, which we'll get to as well. But the first comment comes from John Vresics, who says that Kanishk tweet during the World Cup and the reacts that followed was an all-timer. That would have been absolute peak circle back. So if anybody doesn't know Kanishk, oftentimes what World Cup cameramen or camerawomen are accused of doing is finding attractive women in the crowd and showing them as like b-roll during the game. And knish saw one of an iranian woman and said, um, basically like I'll, if she wants a green card, I'll marry her. And that tweet went so mega viral for people that thought it was funny and people that thought it was disrespectful. But, rob, do you remember that tweet? 

51:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
when it went out it was a listen some people got. I don't want to get into like a whole rant about the the world that we live in now, but sometimes a joke is just a joke and that one was fucking hilarious. That was some of his best work. I honestly do wish that he that happened while we had circle back going on, because it would have caught, you know, created a little bit more buzz and then we could have maybe found her, got them on a date. 

51:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh man, that was like his Albert Pujols versus the Astros moonshot. 

51:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I remember that. 

51:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah. 

51:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, fuck, what a good time that was. I hate giving Kanish credit, though. 

51:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Next tweet is from Jim H3595 says I Google unusual Hall of Fames. My favorite is the International Towing and Recovery Hall of Fame and Museum, followed closely by the World Titan Museum and Hall of Fame. I found another one I really liked. It's the Insurance Hall of Fame. It is literally a Hall of Fame designed to put people who have had success in the field of insurance into a Hall of Fame. 

52:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Plus EV Analytics will be in there one day. 

52:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I think that's really good. I also enjoyed this one the National Cleveland Style Polka Hall of Fame. I don't even know what that is. It's dedicated to the preservation and promotion of polka music. 

52:24 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, nice. 

52:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You ever listen to any polka. 

52:26 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I don't, but we should visitka I don't, but we should visit. I don't think we'll do that but this is like last week. 

52:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're talking about how betba sports betting hall of fame. 

52:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That's why this, yeah, that's why this comedy recovery a towing and recovery hall of fame, come on man I don't know recovery is the best one. Going to watch it like go to see some tow trucks. Might be kind of cool if I'm passing by, but I don't know going to seek that out, I'm not like are these individual? 

52:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
are these the trucks and the models that are being honored? Or like individual drivers? 

52:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I saw photos of the trucks I would love to do a segment where we send you to like a bunch of hall of fames, just like once, once a week, 10 minutes. Rate my Hall of Fames with that this could be your Portnoy pizza thing. Just rate different Hall of Fames, I would just be like this place shouldn't exist. 

53:16 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Honestly, guys, that'd be your analysis for every place. 

53:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
A big museum of old school trucks. Kind of cool, I think. Sure, I would do that. Yeah, I don't know about the cleveland style polka polka hall of fame. 

53:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm sorry I could mess with the towing, but you know, in this like sports, there's like documented records and statistics and everything else is just. 

53:43
Even in the sporting world of hall Fames there is so much politics and politicking. I can only imagine what sort of politics are involved in these Hall of Fames that don't have statistical win-loss or stat baselines. For these people to feel worthy, don't worry, I got a friend. For these people to feel worthy, don't worry, I got a friend. I don't want to specifically shout out his career, but he got an award. And then you figure out oh, his dad bought two tables at the fucking gala. Of course it all adds up. 

54:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's important to remember that a Hall of Fame is not necessarily like a sports Hall of Fame, where it's like your accolades in the sport. The towing hall of fame is like a display of trucks. Uh, in las vegas there's the national pinball hall of fame, which is literally just a warehouse of pinball machines you can play on, which is fun if you're visiting vegas. 

54:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But it's not like honoring, yeah, it's not like a real hall of fame I know but but some hall of fames are describing gallery and hall of fame I agree, but they're called hall of fames, like I I picture the international towing and recovery hall of fame like some guy who drove a like a tow truck on the 401 for like 25 years and he's like no it looks like. 

54:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It looks like just old school trucks on display. Yeah, I don't know. The insurance hall of fame is for people for outstanding achievement in insurance. Now that's where those politics lie. There's statistics there, I guess. 

55:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So like Jake from State. 

55:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Farm is in the Hall of Fame Exactly Jake from State. 

55:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Farm yeah. Maybe, and, like you know, Dennis, Haysbert, Dennis. I don't know who Dennis is. You know the president in 24,. 

55:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Serrano in Major. 

55:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
League. I forgot his name. 

55:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
President, you know the president in 24, Serrano in Major League. I forgot his name. 

55:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
President. 

55:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Palmer. 

55:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh, look at that poll. 

55:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Next comment comes from Mike Maggs. If your drive-thru order includes an item with steak at McDonald's, you should have to pull up to the penalty box for a five-minute major at minimum possible jail time. 

55:43 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Did anybody here mention a McDonald's item with steak. I can't think of a McDonald's item with steak. 

55:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I don't even know what steak. Tim Hortons has one now. 

55:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Tim. 

55:52 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Hortons, does we're voting? 

55:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was Saturday night. I went to Activate with some friends. 

55:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Oh, that's fun. Activate is Broke my finger there. 

56:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not getting paid to promote Activate. But, holy fuck, it's fun man. 

56:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Jacob, how injury prone, are you dude? 

56:08 - Kirk Evans (Host)
That's the best way you know climbing and shit. 

56:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What do you mean? Yeah, there's different rooms with different games Climbing, throwing, there's also basketball but I went to McDonald's afterwards and I haven't been in for a while. I was on one of the touch machines inside. Sure, they have an international menu going on right now oh, it's promo right now. 

56:28
Yeah, I'm like looking at this thing, I'm like who the fuck would eat this stuff? And all my friends are ordering off the international menu and then afterwards it's like I don't know why I got this like the no shit that the pizza bites at mcdonald's are not like authentic italian pizza bites. I'd try it like Like steak at McDonald's. I would never try. 

56:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Never. What about lobster? 

56:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There is a McLobster. 

56:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's a oh, is it regional? I thought it was like a promo sometimes. 

56:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's regional. And then I think that there's like this really large McDonald's in Chicago, like a double-floored one that has a ton of items from all over the world. 

57:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I just would like to brag. I was at like a kids play thing, yeah, with my kids. It was school being out, okay, and uh, it's like a lot of activities and then there's the arcade. They did the activities. During the arcade my daughter found a machine that was like broken and giving away like the prize thing, and we just sat there Jammed the kiosk. Jamming, Jamming. I took a video of it. Jam it Like oh my God, two huge teddies for both my girls. 

57:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
She's going to work in Kirk's syndicate one day. They couldn't figure out how. 

57:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It wasn't even noon yet. How? 

57:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
did these people do that? I don't know how people in the comments are going to feel about this angle. 

57:49 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Shooting at the local arcade Playmaker Dave's going to be pissed. 

57:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You know what Fats is going to love you man. 

57:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Fats, you're giving it back to the system. Fats is going to be all over that. It's been a week. 

57:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Dave is still in his hole. Yeah, you were wrong about that. I was wrong, we'll see. That being said, I feel like Dave Burners have been hitting me up and anyone that knows Dave knows. You know the way you guys got a mountain of beards. He's got a mountain of Burners. I have zero beards by the way, Okay sorry. Just like Dave's On the record, zero Point remains. 

58:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
The final comment from YouTube that we have at Aweb1110 says does Rob get dressed with the light off? And it's Rob in his turtle shirt that he wore for the mini putt. What's the company called you? 

58:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
think that's our boy. 

58:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Webster. Andrew Webster. Yeah, from back in the day at the score. Yeah, I doubt it. I can ask Andrew Webster random name. 

58:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You're in blue shorts, tucked in shirt. It looks like you're about to hit the links. 

58:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Now that you've brought up Andrew Webster, I made a bet with that guy at the score where if I won the bet, he had to include my name in a highlight pack, because he used to voice highlights at night. And the last day of work I went up to him I said hey, man, you haven't come through on that bad. He's like don't worry, pizzola, I got you. And it was a puck. That was a slap shot from the point that he drilled someone in the nuts and he said right in the rob pizzola. And anyone who watched the pack that night had fucking no clue what the hell that meant but he did, but he did include that. 

59:31
Uh, I'll find out, listen, I just want to say somebody find that clip, for I think everybody I don't want to say everyone thinks that they're well dressed. But like I like my clothes, I like putting on clothes like that, I enjoy flashy colors, I like patterns. I know today's just like a standard red shirt. I I regret wearing the shorts in this studio, but listen, it wasn't like fucking jason next to me. 

59:56
You turned into like a fucking thong by the end of the show. You know they didn't really ride up all that much. I like that, I. 

01:00:02 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I think that is a good look. I would say this is not one of your best fits, if I'm being honest. Okay, but I think the picture does you a bit dirty because it kind of makes them look like they're jorts. But they're like. I thought those were jean shorts originally, which would be really tough. 

01:00:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're golf shorts. They're just right above the knee. 

01:00:18 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, but they're just like that jean short blue color, but yeah, color. But yeah, I own multiple pairs of blue shorts, like, I think, three to four, just a lot of blue. 

01:00:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I like blue. It's, I do. Blue is my color. I wear a lot of blue. I'm not taking shit for this well, I refuse to take. 

01:00:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Hang on, you're not gonna take shit for this, but I'll tell you who got a lot of shit on social media this week. It was was myself and it was Jeff. Me, jeff and Rob went golfing the day after the last circle back and there was a photo Rob posted of us at the course where me and Jeff are getting ready for the round. 

01:00:57
Me and Jeff, for different reasons, have right knee braces and I didn't think much of this when the photo got taken. And then, a little bit into the round, rob is like Jacob, you're getting flamed for the knee brace. So I thought, ok, like two or three people might be commenting. No, there was like 50 to 100 replies directly taking shots at the knee braces. If you have specific ones, any of you guys that you want to point me to read, then let me know. But I'll read a couple Johnny from Gate 14, pod says the leg braces are so nails. Mike Vivian says knee brace. Isn't Jacob like 25. Not like 25. I am 25 right now. The Beak says are the Brett Favre copper fits a uniform requirement? Or a place of aid. 

01:01:46
Let's see a couple more here. Clive says. Clive Bixby says leg brace on the golf course at this age isn't encouraging. Michael says with the compression sleeve on his knee already at like age 25. Oof, wait until you hit mid 30s kid A lot of people. 

01:02:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean, there's another page man. 

01:02:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That's cute. They decided to wear matching right knee braces Out of shape. Dudes love knee braces. I think that's the last photo. Yeah, jeff, why don't you explain your reasoning for the knee brace first? 

01:02:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I guess, like anyone who knows me wouldn't find it weird, but you're new to the Circles Off brand. 

01:02:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like Mayo Media Network, they all know this. Okay, so I have a fully ruptured patella. 

01:02:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, two surgeries major Like rehab to this day, to the appointments that I choose to go to, I will never be fully healthy. 

01:02:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You slipped on some ice outside or something. 

01:02:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, I was ice fishing, oh I didn't get that part of the story yeah I never want to go ice fishing. That sounds deplorable who wants to go ice fishing? I was just making that up to sound less bad let's move on. 

01:03:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You're mountain climbing, germany I thought you're mountain climbing in germany. 

01:03:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like I thought you're walking to your car door spearfishing is just a bad scene. 

01:03:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Um, fully ruptured patella, I'll never be healthy. There are certain shots that I'll just take a penalty, like I will not go to that downhill side hill. Um, like I do not care, we're not playing for enough, it's not worth. I don't care what my fucking score is. I was like rattled to be taking heat for my knee brace. I know Now, seeing that I feel like a little better. Obviously, a lot of that shrapnel was at me, but it was a lot like they're specifically directed to Jacob. 

01:03:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know Jacob got it worse because he's younger. 

01:03:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
So, okay, I'll explain my my side of it. I am 25. Uh, I'm almost 26, but two years ago, uh, I had ACL surgery, uh, and meniscus surgery, so my ACL I had torn. Actually, uh, I'll give, I'll try to be as short as possible, but I my acl, uh, when I was 22. I didn't realize it for a year, so I played like, so I played a full so I played full season of soccer on a torn acl without realizing it I had no idea, I didn't feel like there was any issue no, I for for like five months it was hurting a bit but I was walking and it healed. 

01:04:21
This was during covid as well, yeah. So it was like impossible to get a doctor's appointment, impossible to get an MRI, and everyone I went to said it's probably not torn, you're probably fine. So I played with it, then I tore it, and when I tore it it became a bigger thing because they're like this has been torn for a while, you didn't know. So I got rushed into surgery within a month. 

01:04:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
People I talked to months of ACL surgery. I think you have to stop. Jeff is getting squeamish. 

01:04:44 - Kirk Evans (Host)
He's actually physically starting to shake. Finish it, though. Okay, sorry. 

01:04:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This is going too long. I had very quick surgery because there was such a problem. I've been two years removed of the surgery. I've had some setbacks in playing soccer this year, which is weird because I didn't have any playing soccer last, um, so basically, golf does a lot of twisting and a lot of knee movement, so I'd rather be safe with the knee brace, uh, when I'm on the golf course you know it's serious as fuck, because I had the same thing. 

01:05:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
People were I had my surgery within a month yeah, because if they didn't get it done there could be some long like that's how bad it was. People were like how'd you get your surgery so fast? I'm like, oh, that's when they gave it to me, at least here in our same thing government, like that's the only way. So that that signifies how serious it was in our public health system. When they're getting it done quickly, they care um shame, shame on these fucking low lives no, it's funny, it's very funny, very funny, jay absolute fucking 

01:05:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
lowlife mike vivian cry we've done for you on this show, clive. Unbelievable. 

01:05:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
These people that have turned their backs on us wearing a brace forever. It's almost at the point, rob, where I started to research like very expensive custom braces, because if I'm going to use it pretty much I have one. 

01:06:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Uh, thankfully I wasn't wearing that one this. Last time I played with rob, I was wearing that one. 

01:06:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He had a full brace on last time yeah I'll tell you this sometimes if I feel like a little tweak, any discomfort, I get scared shitless um, you think about getting a robotic leg at any point I'm not as against it as people might like a normal person would. But no, I don't want to scooter around no, I'm not saying you scooter? 

01:06:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
it would just be like, sorry, that was a lead-in what's funny is earlier kirk said how injury prone am I? For 22 years I had no injuries at all. Then I broke my finger at activate, which I didn't get checked in time because it was co, so it didn't heal properly. Knee issues, back issues I have. Hip issues. I have a potential. 

01:06:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Did you ever drink a glass of milk when you were younger, or anything I drank? 

01:06:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
so much milk. Maybe that's why I didn't break any bones or anything when I was a kid, even though I think that's a myth now. 

01:07:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But, I don't know what happened to me man, Every single one of these Jacob, they all get their comeuppance one day. No, it was funny, they're all going to wake up. 

01:07:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It was hilarious. How many fucking people replied to this tweet. That was what was funny. That was great. What maybe isn't quite hilarious and maybe is getting further and further away of being funny. 

01:07:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't think it is. 

01:07:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Maybe it's funny, uh, real underscore fats, who recorded his 50 minute phone call conversation with mcdonald's. In response to if anybody is uh not familiar with the story you haven't been following the last few weeks with us he was asked to pull forward into a designated parking area at a mcdonald's in the drive-thru when there was no other cars in the drive-thru with him. A minor inconvenience that has turned into the real fats manifesto just him against mcdonald's, a 50 minute conversation which I will uh will—one of you transcribed this. 

01:08:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it wasn't me, it was Marcus Erickson on Twitter. This is how I got alerted to this happening. 

01:08:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He DM'd me. I listened to it too. I am a hero 50 minutes. 

01:08:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
So some of the highlights. I would say— 2x speed. 

01:08:30
Yeah, some of the highlights I would say is he would not provide the location of the McDonald's to the person he was on the phone with. For some reason he started a 15 second countdown for when they would come back to the phone when they. I think when they put him on hold he was minutes on minutes of rambling which, when he finished, led to some stunned silence After there was a time limit. Are they trying to meet at the window? Then he began telling them about their store policy and then around the end they hung up and a robot began asking him questions and he started responding to the survey. Jeff, you listen to it? 

01:09:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't even think you did it justice. Firstly, I stand in solidarity. 

01:09:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Oh my. 

01:09:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
God, I think you did it justice. Firstly, I stand in solidarity. I stand in solidarity with. Mcdonald's, with the employees who are facing consistent harassment at this point from Fats, I stand in solidarity. Tyler Reddick, the Michael Jordany hamlin nascar team yes uh, I love americana, I love going to a race a year. 

01:09:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just I love getting a hat like this you know, jeff, I gotta say I know you've worn that around me before, just on stream, yeah, but it actually really suits. It's a great hat I like it to you, man I went like, literally. 

01:09:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I saw that at the merch tent and I was like my, I wish I realized I had it a month ago. I was trying to script for a member guest Went into the hat drawer. I was like, oh baby. So I stand in solidarity with the people at McDonald's, these lovely ladies on the call, the people who he is harassing. The first part of the call was a debate Of if he can record the call yeah, like they're like sir, you can. Part of the call was a debate of if he can record the call yeah, like they're like sir. You can't record the call, but we can't stop you from recording. All we can do is say you can't record. He's like I'm going to get a lawyer on this. 

01:10:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, you need both parties to agree in the United States if you're going to record a call Sure, so that was the whole first part, this whole. 

01:10:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like you you're recording, I'm allowed to record which one, really one party in canada really entertained, entertained me. Then it turned into him explaining to this lady the story. She wanted specific locations. I feel people on the internet have been trolling fats. Being like this is happening to me, I live in chicago. This is happening to me. 

01:10:44
I live here, so he now feels vindicated and he goes all over the country maybe you are not the person I should be speaking to get me the chief operating officer or the head of the board. That is the request he's making to frontline employees. And then they try to get to the bottom of his problem and they're like, literally they're like. So what's the problem? And he's like. His first comment, which killed him in the in the, as if he had any credibility at this point was like well, my sandwich would have been 30 seconds fresh yeah, I think he said four or five seconds. 

01:11:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I really I missed it. He said 30 to 45 seconds. That was a highlight. 

01:11:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
My sandwich would have been 30 to 45 seconds fresher. So at this point, if they did think that this is real, they're like this, cannot you? 

01:11:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
fucking like scarfing it as soon as you get it how quick are you eating it when you? 

01:11:42 - Kirk Evans (Host)
get it. 

01:11:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, if you wait like he's going through a drive-thru, so presumably he's taking it home with him. He's not going to the car and be fresher. 

01:11:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Are we waiting for him? He's eating it all the way home. 

01:11:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't understand. 

01:11:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And then he finally gets a supervisor. This is a 50-minute call. There's a lot of hold time, so even listening on 2X speed it goes by. And he's trying to like do standup routine when he's on hold because he's recording it so he knows he's going to be playing it back for us. You could like the long pauses. You could tell these people like they are. This can't be real. They must think they're being pranked. He's literally giving like a four minute long winded answer to like the overall problem. Yeah, Click out automated questions about your experience and he's literally respecting the automated questions. He is giving the automation the time of day. It's like your level of satisfaction. I honestly left that thinking I'm a crazy person. We'll get that out of the way. I'm, I'm a crazy person, we'll get that out of the way. I might actually be thoroughly entertained to listen to corporations like mcdonald's like head office corporate complaint line like a podcast. 

01:12:56 - Kirk Evans (Host)
yeah I think that would be like thoroughly entertaining. 

01:13:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
in the same way, tlc used to show shows about the most disturbing people, they still do man. Hearing those phone calls, I believe we would be in stitches because I was dying of LOLs. 

01:13:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If there was a Cal she market on this two weeks ago, I would have said I would probably laid 90 cents on no troll, I think. I think he might be trolling. No, like I, I really do. He's taken this for a long. If, if you, he might be trolling no, I really do. He's taken this for a long. You guys have never. 

01:13:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
If you listen to him talking to himself, if you listen to him talking to himself when he's on hold in a 50-minute phone call, you would think that guy's not trolling. 

01:13:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've met Fats, I've talked to him. He's a very sound mind, he's a smart guy. I don't know. Man like this is getting to the point where it's. It's so irrational that the only way I can convince myself it's real is that it is a troll. 

01:13:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I cannot see any way, in which it is not. People are egging him on, though, which might be spurring him what he wants isn't even that hard for him to obtain. 

01:14:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It might cost him a couple bucks, but he literally wants the operations procedural manual. Go in there, speak to the manager, be like here's $100. Literally, for the Twitter clout of being able to get this document, you'd think it'd be worth $100, $200, the journey he's put himself on. There's enough McDonald's employees that don't give a shit. We'll just hand you this fucking manual. But that he's looking for. 

01:14:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He needs the exact practice of of how a drive-through is supposed to go and he wants corporate to answer for some 21 year old in michigan jeff, if this is really a problem for anyone out there, anyone that people that claim it's a and they you're in the drive-thru and they say, go ahead to that parking spot, we'll have someone bring out your food, and you just say, no, I'm not going anywhere, you're going to serve me here. They'll serve you. Yeah, of course they're going to fucking serve you, because the alternative is like they're gonna be like no, sir, like we're gonna call the authorities. You're gonna be like fucking good call the authority they're gonna create a whole thing. 

01:15:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
You'd be a dick if you did that, but you can and you're like do you know what I'm saying? 

01:15:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
like it's, it's literally a non. If you feel so badly about being asked to pull ahead, just say no we're getting out of here. 

01:15:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But in closing mcdonald's unless you're in complaint, to like the manager is insane. Yeah, they will make good. Like 99 of the time they will remake it. You screwed, screwed something up. You could even lie to them. Be like I asked for no tomatoes, you want tomatoes. You just wanted a second sandwich for free. Yeah, like you could even scam them. They'll literally be like here's your sandwich, leave us alone. Yeah, the make good rate on McDonald's might be flirting with a hundred percent. 

01:16:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:16:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Unless you are, like a known repeats loiterer of a location. 

01:16:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, yeah, agreed, I'm with you For sure. 

01:16:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Solidarity. Well, we're not standing in solidarity with some of the members of our Friday show because Kirk has requested a return fire segment for this one Surprise entry. What do you got? 

01:16:25 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah Well, so this actually is a return fire on every member of the podcast. What do you got? Yeah well, so this actually is a return fire on every member of the podcast, including you too oh I'm sick of being the, the scapegoat for sportsbook sympathizer. 

01:16:36
Like, okay, you can call me a sportsbook sympathizer, whatever. I can't even say that word. That's fine. But on last episode they're making like egregious takes, being so nice to the sports books, and then they just say my name to like, make it seem like I'm worse. So their takes are fine. Like isaac at one point said, like every, or maybe not every, the vast majority of complaints sports books face are the user's fault. And then he like but I don't want to be a sportsbook sympathizer like her. It's like just because you say I am one doesn't free you of being nice to sportsbooks. Like they just want they just. And you guys honestly not as much Jeff, but definitely Rob just doesn't want to take the heat in the comments, so they put it all on me. I've never said anything as bad as what was said on last episode. But they say my name, so they're all did you disagree with what was said? 

01:17:31
I honestly thought some of them went a bit too far and how tired of being branded like this. 

01:17:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're sick and tired of being branded, doesn't sit I'm not even. 

01:17:39 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It's not. I don't even mind the people commenting it. If that's what they think, that's fair. But I don't like how they on that podcast don't want to be called it, so they just say that's what I am. 

01:17:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I gotta say you've made a big mistake, you. You have aired this publicly now that it's a big, big mistake. The minute you let those guys a knish flop, you let those guys know that this bothers you. It is over for you. Yes, I've made comments before. 

01:18:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He just wants balls and strikes called fairly on this issue. That being said, you did make a mistake as you were going on your rant. Kurt, you're not going to maybe like what I'm about to say, but I'm like, oh my God, this is like Nadeau's no fly list for Kirk. Yeah, like you have. Like, you turn that into like. 

01:18:28 - Kirk Evans (Host)
No, no, no, no. I don't care for them to say it, I just want the viewers to be aware what is happening. Viewers need to know that when Kanish and Flop are simping for sports books and then they just throw out a random, oh, I don't want to be like Kirk, but they're just using that as cover. I just want people to be aware of it. Look, condition flip can say as much as they want, but exactly I want balls and strikes called fair if I could have a do-over of this show. 

01:18:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We would keep track of, like who? Said that who didn't in on specific topics I gotta say I should start I feel like you, like I, I listen, I I tell it how I see it. I don't think about these things beforehand and how like people are gonna perceive my comments. There will be times where I definitely will take the sportsbook side of things right. I think you have the highest sportsbook simp like approval rate like you're. You're on the percentage scale, I think you're the highest. We're lobbyists. 

01:19:28 - Kirk Evans (Host)
But that's not even in this episode. I was shitting on them for the Chelly thing. Yeah, that's definitely a sports book run. 

01:19:35
Yeah, I know, I agree, but maybe, but I don't really I don't think so. I think I'm very in line with like like Flop even was pretty pro regulator. He's like the regulator typically sides with me. On last episode Isaac said most complaints from people are like the people's fault, not the sports book. Like I don't know if I would go that far. Those were both pretty yeah. But then they said, oh, but I don't want to be like Kurt. 

01:20:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah Well, takes by. Jay. Jason did want me to offer up a return fire as well towards Fluff, but I actually don't even remember what he told me. Like I was so tuned he was ramping out in the hallway for like five minutes. He's like they're like twisting my words. 

01:20:20 - Kirk Evans (Host)
They're not even like. 

01:20:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just like, oh, that knish came hard at Jason. Yeah, they're like, oh, they're not even saying like what I was saying. He was like freaking out. I'm like, yeah, like it's all right, man, calm down, it's gonna be, it's gonna be fine. Uh, I don't know. I don't even know what he was talking about, all right. 

01:20:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Last segment here. Let's get to the chopping block first up. We've got. Actually I should show the graphic, yeah I don't want to be really upset first one comes from. Spanky says imitation is the best form of flattery. It's nice to see ideas like Bet Bash and Be Better Better propagate across the pond in the right direction. Hope Smart Bash is a huge success. It's a post from Michael Cannon cannon underscore, on course advertising Smart Bash, which we could describe potentially as the UK or European version of Bet Bash. 

01:21:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, is that fair? I think so. Like Peter Ling has some involvement in this. I've interviewed Peter Ling on this channel before, if you want to check out that interview on Circles Off, and he hosts a lot of betting meetups in Toronto that me and Kirk have been to. I think Smart Bash has been around for a few years. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is like the second or third year in running. I'm gonna be honest, as I see this tweet, it kind of feels like spanky's a little bit upset in the tweet, but it's. It's trying to hide that and this is just my opinion it's all sarcastic, for sure no, I don't think. 

01:21:40 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I think. Sorry, not all sarcastic I thought imitation is the best form of flattery was like a little bit of a shot, yeah. 

01:21:45 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at Then the rest, I thought was like. 

01:21:49 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I think he was like trying to be genuine. 

01:21:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is what happens with conferences, though. Like, if something is successful in one place, they tend to be, you know, just lots of. I don't want to call it a copycat thing, but like there's definitely probably room for a betting conference that appeals to betters in the uk like there is in north america. 

01:22:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Fucking far vegas is from england yeah, that's what I'm saying all the respect to spanky, he's built something. It's grown, it's gotten bigger, it's gotten better. Everyone I know that goes goes back onto something. But yeah, this it sort of just felt unnecessary. I honestly think the, the concept of it growing is overall better beneficial for the top shelf version of agree what it is now. 

01:22:37
I don't know the other one well enough to call it not as good, but circa and everything I assume is bash is still the preeminent version of what they're trying to do. But it's a little arrogant to think that the guys in England need to fly to cross the pond, cross half the continent to go to that conference when they can, like-minded, get together on their own. 

01:23:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I wouldn't be interested in attending a Smart Bash just to see what the differences are, because I looked at a schedule. You've got to send GRP to check the food. Oh man, don't even give me those ideas, man. No, he won't go there. We tried to get him to come out to Toronto. He shot that down right away. 

01:23:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
No, he just you know. Well, maybe now he knows about the wound in the area. 

01:23:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He's just like promises. He wants promises kept first, and then we can negotiate part two, fair enough. 

01:23:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
The next one comes from Spinfluencer, a very poorly done tweet. I think we'd all agree. So he basically used a former Taylor Mathis tweet as a copypasta. Just a repeated word for word. Even the sickness that we have and how often we're online did not get this. So I can't see how more than 1% of people would understand it. But Spinflinter this is a direct I'm directly reading this, by the way says I honestly have never been in such a dark place in my life and I honestly want to kill myself. I've made no money off of this and the false information out there is disgusting. I don't know how people do this to people. So again, direct quote from Taylor Mathis. This was during the crypto scandal. The issue was and I don't know what it was like for his DMs, but a lot of people in the group chats I'm in were all very concerned, like is he okay? And if I'm not mistaken, he actually took his account down. 

01:24:28
briefly after this, so there was no way to actually reach out to him. So there was a very large amount of concern for his well-being and this is just in in such poor taste. He's apologized for it, but this is this is horrible. What did you think, rob? 

01:24:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, this is tough because I do like Spinfluencer and what he's done for the space generally. I think holding people accountable in the space um, is a great thing and in the same light, we should hold him accountable for this like fucking horrible tweet. Um, I was out. I got received several messages all at once from people who are like, took screenshots of this tweet and said hey, can you check in? I did send him a text message as well at the same time, tried to track down his phone number to do so. So for me, put me in like a pretty shitty spot. Uh, not getting a response from him for hours was like, did this guy do something? It wasn't until I was informed that this was like a copy paste of a tweet that I was like fuck, that's pretty, pretty shitty. 

01:25:25
So, uh, yeah, from my perspective, I obviously don't like it. I think it's. I don't even know what the joke is Like. I don't know what the I don't understand this at all. So, yeah, for me, I think it was done in poor taste. I don't like to judge people on like their worst mistakes or whatever. I do think he's done a lot of good for the space. Like their worst mistakes or whatever. I do think he's done a lot of good for the space and he did apologize ultimately for this afterwards, but yeah, I just I think it's. I don't know how I can state this any better than I have already. I think it's done an extremely poor taste and there's no room for it. Really. 

01:26:01 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, I agree with you. I like spin. This is like the ultimate touch grass moment that he thought that this would translate like what a fucking idiot. It's like he's in the top 0.0000001% of like gambling Twitter drama and like he just couldn't realize that, like other people wouldn't recognize we were fully engulfed in mathis gate, whatever you want to call it like, fully in, and this did not resonate no with with me at all. 

01:26:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Even to the point, for all the stuff the crypto, the, the, whatever, the like I don't care about no record or lines. This was what like. Not even close definitive gap, the worst thing that taylor did. I was most upset about this. I remember the day after our first crypto gate show. This is like. You do not invoke this. Yeah, like at all. 

01:27:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It is yeah, but Jeff, let's say we were all in on the joke and we all remember this Taylor Mathis tweet. I still don't know what this Spinfluencer tweet is accomplishing, like-. 

01:27:21 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It wouldn't be just like a bad joke. But I would have been like, oh, that's a Taylor Mathis tweet, if somehow everyone on gambling Twitter knew that. But like, like, kind of like, they tweet like the aisha curry tweet, you know, yeah, well, I mean listen, the reality is like I think that's what he was going for, like let's. 

01:27:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Let's say, if elf tweeted this or something like that, I would. 

01:27:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I would berate them this is like and I think he deserves for that. 

01:27:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think this is one of the worst tweets I've ever seen. 

01:27:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
If we do an award show like the worst bit of the year. 

01:27:51 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, very bad, there will be an award show. 

01:27:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The worst bit of like this could be in a category with T-Bone showing his Rolex moments after flipping a car into a river. 

01:28:04 - Kirk Evans (Host)
That might be best bit though. 

01:28:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That's going to be in best? 

01:28:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't even know how to differentiate the categories. Someone smarter than me is going to work on that me. 

01:28:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Um, this was yeah, this is the worst. Smarter than him, jacob this was the worst bit. 

01:28:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I didn't like it, I reached out also he quickly let me know. First bit I didn't like it, I reached out. Also he quickly let me know. I'm sure a lot of people did, because he deactivated his account. 

01:28:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I'm messaging people like, do you have this guy's phone number? Well, I just DM like yo, bro, yeah, because he must have reactivated his account by the time. You did that, but when I went to message him I could not actually message him. There was no account to be found. 

01:28:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So that's when I thought it was really serious like that makes logical sense that this could be a serious thing. Anyways, I've said my piece. I yeah. It upset me a lot I don't even want to call it like main character syndrome to think that every one of your followers is so in tune with this, like it was a great moment of the year. 

01:29:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Uh, her crypto situation, oh great gave us a lot to talk about. It's a very gave us a loss that will be in the great category yeah, that's first loss good content. 

01:29:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's the best content that I've, that'll be. 

01:29:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It was near the beginning of us doing the show. It was like, oh my god, they're just feeding us something like this to talk about. 

01:29:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, yeah, well, I was upset. 

01:29:28
Speaking of, uh, poorly timed tweets and poorly worded tweets from accounts you wouldn't expect to see it from uh. We had ingram alerts who posted a photo of chloe kits at the nba draft. Chloe kits, uh, is a ncaa basketball player for south car. Her boyfriend is Colin Murray-Boyles, who just got selected ninth overall by the Toronto Raptors in the NBA draft. Here's a photo of her at the draft wearing the Raptors draft hat. Polymarket responded. Polymarket Football says POV, you're a light-skinned QB looking for a wife. And Mr Peanutbetter said this is an insane thing for an official Polymarket Twitter account to be firing off. Amber Gambling Gambling did hashtag circle back to get this to us as well. If you ever see any posts you want highlighted or we want to see the show, always reply with hashtag circle back. We check those every single week, but on this one here, I mean I was a little bit confused as to exactly like what. What the joke was by polymarket even, but like for an official account, this is a horrible look yeah, I it's. 

01:30:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
First of all, I'm never firing off this tweet in in a million years. I don't think like official accounts for brands that want to be known as reputable should be firing off these tweets. However, we do live in a day and age where people are searching for views and clicks at all costs Definitely not the way I would run a brand. 

01:30:56 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I just I just thought of this. I hadn't thought about it when I had looked at it. This reminds me of when the bet stamp account was run by whoever was run by, and he would just be in replies, absolutely roasting people. This is not really the place for a official account and I agree that's a barrier. 

01:31:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Maybe with a burner. 

01:31:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If Jacob was around at that, Jacob might have still been with Betstamp at that time. 

01:31:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Oh, I was. 

01:31:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that was a weird time we had internal discussions with him we literally could not get that guy to stop. 

01:31:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
He had to be like oh it was. 

01:31:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He just refused to stop getting into. He was sat down so many times to have the same conversation and then at some point you're just like no, you're no longer the person that can run this account. He's like fine, fuck, I'm not going to run the account, okay. 

01:31:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's not so much that it's like their main account. There's a lot of like operations that have a main account that are like nothing burgers. Polymarket is growing very quickly. 

01:31:52
Yeah, it is a become a very like reliable place for us to get liens on markets. It proved its worth in in politics the last year and when Polymarket moved on like a vice president thing like that was it like that was enough for people to act and they've gotten a lot of like credit in a lot of like mainstream areas of the internet that I'm surprised they still want to like. It almost seems like they're bigger than this, yeah, but at the same time, maybe you're never too big to just want the like engagement, the engagement of anything you might, they still might be like no, we're not big enough to give up crazy engagement. 

01:32:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think you have to put yourself into the position of like the person who's in this role. Right, it's like a random social media manager. Maybe there's a directive but you don't always like I agree, yeah, you're chasing, you're chasing views and someone is probably sat down with it. I would assume someone had a conversation and be like hey, like this is over the line, we don't do stuff like that, but it's going to happen. 

01:33:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like like no, no offense to people running social media, I don't mean it like this, but, like you, companies will hire like a junior social media manager for a very small amount of money and it's like get clicks yeah but also it's like a very fine line as to I'm not saying this is close to being good, yeah, but it's also like you got to walk a tight rope as to like what could be awesome, yeah, get you promoted get you written up, get you like go from being the assistant of an NHL team to them doing socials for an NFL team, like one viral awesome thing Like I know it sounds stupid, but the Chargers are awesome at it and I've like seen a lot of people with the job get better jobs and it's just like the fine line of like a hit and a miss is so small and this 22-year-old, like they know they're one freaking hit away from being in such a better spot. 

01:33:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, and that's inevitably we'll get these 100%. I mean, we had the Haliband tweets right, it's very similar Polymarket as well. 

01:34:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
In lighter-hearted news, we have a really nice bobblehead coming out for the Yankees game on August 21st. It's George Costanza, sleeping under his desk at work. This was posted by at nut underscore history baseball history. Nut, rob, are you going to make the trip to the Yankees game for this? 

01:34:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not, but I'm not gonna lie, I did, I did consider it, I seriously did. Uh, I just have so much travel going on from the end of july till the end of bet bash, which I'm coming home on the 16th, I'm like I'm just not gonna do that. I love this idea. It's a pretty iconic moment in a tv show um george works for the yankees. Obviously. I think it's really cool. I I saw this. I laughed. My first reaction was like can I go to this game and get that bobblehead? Because I want it so badly, I might try to buy it on a secondary market or something. 

01:34:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, exactly, but it's cool. Do not pre-order a buy okay, I don't know much about bobbleheads, but like someone an internet friend of mine who's like his whole background is bobbleheads. Yeah, he put out he's gotten screwed before prepaying because they don't even have it yet. Yeah. 

01:35:12
And then what happens is Rob, the game happens at a date that is past your terms of service on eBay, so you don't even get a refund. You'd rather pay more money if you actually wanted to know that the person was at the game and has it in their possession I just want to get one of these first, but but I'm just saying don't pre-order it, because you seem very passionate, so I will not. 

01:35:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, I, I'm making sense. I oh 100, I'm not, I'm not dismissing it, I you got. 

01:35:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
there's going to be a lot of scammers taking pre-orders on those that aren't even probably going to have any intentions of going to the game. 

01:35:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, the next tweet comes from John Heyman. More lighthearted than who's, I say, he says sorry, this is an MLB reporter. 

01:36:00 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, I thought John Heyman's like yeah, mlb, big MLB, he's a huge MLB reporter. 

01:36:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He takes a lot of heat still because he messed up the Aaron's judge to the Giants. Oh yeah, he wears that, but he's pretty when he tweets something it's pretty real 900,000 followers. 

01:36:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
So he's experienced in aviation and flying and he says everyone in the exit rows verbally answered they were willing and able to help. Yet I'm the only one reading the safety card as instructed. I do not trust these other people. I believe they are neither willing nor able, jeff are you? You taking that exit row and you? 

01:36:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
if I'm willing and able, I'm accepting willing and able. I'm never reading the safety card, but I do this on the emergency door. 

01:36:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Dude like you just gotta flip a switch and fucking push the door open. 

01:36:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's not rocket. I'm just saying I've never, like, also sat there judging the people. 

01:36:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Never in my lifetime I sat there and be like wow, if this plate, if we have to exit, we're fucked with this guy who's joking. 

01:37:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
This has to be serious. This is a serious tweet. No, it isn't. This is jacob. A complaint. This has to be a bit of a bit, but I think he does mean that yeah, obviously they're asking are you willing and able? 

01:37:13 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I'm I'm not paying attention saying, yeah, sure, I'm wearing headphones, listening to music. 

01:37:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm trying to fall asleep. I'm like, yeah, I'm good, like if something happens, I'm gonna get that door open. I'll tell you that because it's not freaking hard. You just release a hatch and you kick the door open or push it open. 

01:37:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Everyone knows that I would hate to be in a position where, like I actually was concerned about the person and I'd lean to my buddy like listen, something's going down, like you've got to, you've got to like work your way there because he can't do it, like I've never even considered it is it an extra leg room? 

01:37:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Isn't it a desired seat? You'd pay extra for it. Yeah. I gotta like. 

01:37:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Usually, at least this is. We're entering into maybe morbid territory here, but right Like there's, if the plane goes down, right, there's not a lot of instances where you have to like immediately get that thing open, right, either the plane is is either toasty or not, yeah, or like you got some time and like someone. 

01:38:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You know what I'm getting at I hate flying, but I'm not afraid of it going down yeah, I just hate, like the closed quarters and the lines and the smells and like bringing your lunch on the plane. It's a fucking two-hour flight, man. 

01:38:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what the fuck I don't bring my lunch on, but it doesn't bother me. Someone wants to go to fucking reeks carl's junior and pick up a cheeseburger and bring it on the plane if it's like a long flight, let's just we're here together yeah, uh, so they care about, like, where you sit on the plane. 

01:38:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I remember I was on a, I was getting ready for a flight. I checked in. I don't know what the job role is, but the people at the check-in desk and I was in the exit row and they said are you willing and able to help in the event of an emergency? I said yes and I started walking away and, as we know, I'm knee brace gang. So I had a compression sleeve on my right knee because my knee swells up because of the swelling. That's always. Existing planes are bad. The planes, the plane, the altitude makes it worse. This lady fucking chased me down the airport, yelling after me. She's like I see you have a knee brace, are you sure you're able to help? I'm like, yeah, it's just for the swelling, I'll be okay, but uh, they take that shit seriously it's good they care, it's their job discrimination. 

01:39:25
Yeah, uh. Next tweet comes from uh adam burns bet online burns, says based on the action we took on the jake paul fight, no one cares about him anymore. Official. I took more on the nhl draft and this was how I found out that jake paul had a fight recently same with me? 

01:39:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
and did anyone know? 

01:39:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
jake paul had a fight I thought one was coming up because I saw the stuff, but I didn't know. It was specifically Saturday. 

01:39:51 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Who did he fight? 

01:39:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Can you answer A junior. Someone was named junior. 

01:39:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Chavez Jr? I don't know. 

01:39:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Is that a guy that's still? I have no idea. Has he fought a current fighter, yet the last, paul fight was he did once, yet the last of not all fight was. 

01:40:04 - Kirk Evans (Host)
He did one that I lost, tyson. That was the last one before this one. 

01:40:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't like, care to like. Obviously he's doing his thing, but at any point is he gonna fight like a top? 

01:40:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
he did. He fought tommy fury and lost well, definitely not top 50. 

01:40:16 - Kirk Evans (Host)
He was just like the only literally could not care, like I do have zero fucks given now on jake paul fights I do agree it's like it gains steam, it loses steam. 

01:40:25
But like there have been a lot of fights already that jake paul fights, I do agree it's like it gains steam, it loses steam. But like there have been a lot of fights already that jake paul has fought that you guys wouldn't know he fought so like this is not the first time that it's happened that like there's only juice when like it's mike tyson, like someone who who's interesting against him, it's definitely lost it since. Like he's fought enough now that like okay, he's actually like a very good boxer in like the world and like it's pretty impressive that he's been able to get this good, but like he's never going to be anywhere close to world champion or anything like that so it's kind of like we know where he is, so it's not that interesting. 

01:41:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But I will say like along his road he's actually fought a lot of times where you would for sure have not I think the whole thing for me is like it's if a lot of it just feels like a novelty type of thing and if he wants to be like a respected fighter, I think you should fight respected fighters right like so I just have there's. 

01:41:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like you can't have it both ways right of like wanting to be respected, of like a true, like truly fight game respect, but also never fighting. 

01:41:27 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I didn't have to hear about the guy, I just need to see a proper fighting mike tyson would have been great, like 40 years ago, you know, but that's kind of what I'm saying if he fights, you know, like the 25th ranked boxer at his weight class, next fight like people will care again I probably with the odds on that if, like, he'd be a massive dog, okay, massive right last one we have for the chopping block comes from mike durso at m durso 84 said fun round yesterday at beacon hill with hitman, called cuz service and rob requested some ammo to shame his swing. 

01:42:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Hitman's not so great looking swing. But Hitman had other plans. He stuck it like a couple yards from the pin. And what do you say to you, Rob? 

01:42:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He turned to the camera and said suck my dick, pizzola. 

01:42:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
And for people watching, I'm going to insert the clip of Hitman's swing in the video right now. 

01:42:25 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Oh yeah. 

01:42:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You should have filmed it. I think you're good. Go in, suck my dick, mazola. I will say, a swing looks better than I remember it. I I I mean these shorts, though, like people are getting on me for what I wear. Like this is a golf course, a respected golf course. These look like short shorts and they're really tight too. Like what are these? 

01:42:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I actually think he's in a lovely position, like I'm looking at a freeze frame that Hitman will probably never see, but the freeze frame that I'm seeing, I think it's a lovely position as he's getting set to fire back. 

01:43:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
It's the motion of the club. It feels if you watch the swing at full speed. 

01:43:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
it feels very disjointed. 

01:43:09 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It works for him Swing your swing and at the end, of the day. 

01:43:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, his handicap is like four or five strokes lower than mine, so I you know. At the end of the day he showed me who's boss. I will say Mike Durso, when someone messages you and say I want to get a swing of this guy on the golf course, right Like to. When someone messages you and say I want to get a swing of this guy on the golf course, right like to post to socials, it's very clear I want a swing of him like fucking topping the ball in the middle of the fairway don't tell him yeah, like we don't say like, yeah, this swing's going to, or whatever. 

01:43:37
You just keep recording until the guy shanks one like is that not obvious? Is that not? Did I need to make it more clear what I was looking for here? 

01:43:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
hitman's the person he'll have to like deal with face to face next time, not you. So if he's going to like piss off one of the parties, I think he's like looking out for himself in this as well I get it. Uh, great shot, it's a great shot and I listen like I'm a big guy. If I was slender I'd probably be wearing like short shorts too you're wearing longer shorts because you're bigger yeah, like you don't want my ham hocks out like at the level his are out. 

01:44:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Those were out, quite like that's I mean it's kind of. 

01:44:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And then I took some heat for the video you took of me. It was like 40 degrees. I didn't eat like celsius for those that don't know why that's the hottest I've ever golfed in no, no, I'm just. We're like late in the round. I was in like full dishevel mode. I was lucky to escape the day without a sunburn other than like on I. I guess my shirt on my exposed fat part like that's normally white rode up a bit on me and I got like a sliver on each of my arms. 

01:44:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah Well, no, whatever, you are a pasty white Canadian. 

01:44:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
We had a nice time I'll plus EV analytics. We'll do a reciprocal. 

01:45:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, before we end, did you guys? I got sent a clip. Of Fezzik blocked me on Twitter. I'm just. That's the only reason. I don't see this stuff in real time. I didn't get it. He, Fluff and Isaac were talking on the last show about the poker guy issued the challenge of like 60% 40%, net worth and they fucked up the math on that. 

01:45:21 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Fezzik had a great tweet he did Well. I wouldn't say they fucked up the math. 

01:45:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like they were doing it off the top of their head they were yeah, it's true, but I mean, it's not like we ever, it's not like we plan this show beforehand or anything and we fuck up math all the time, but fez fez made a great point. 

01:45:34 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I was actually going to respond saying this is one of your best tweets. 

01:45:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I literally wanted to respond as well, but you can't reply to someone who's blocked fez, don't say we ever, we never say anything nice about you. 

01:45:43 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Great tweet. 

01:45:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was there. I was like you know what. This makes a lot of sense. What did? He say I'd like to tell Fez that they're not considering the future value they were talking about as if it's bankroll instead of net worth as well. Great point, all this stuff. I'd even like to pull up the tweet now, but I'm not going to do that because I'm blocked and I don't want to do it. I don't want to give any additional promotion. 

01:46:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
And we've run too long, so I'm not going to pull it up for you either. That is the end of today's show. Thank you so much, everybody for watching Circle Back presented by Kalshi. If you have anything you want referenced for next show, then make sure you do the hashtag Circle Back on Twitter. Hit that like button if you enjoyed. Subscribe to Hel.