00:00 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
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01:31
But let's introduce the people that are on the show for today. My name is Jacob Grimenya. I am the host of Circle Back. Also, I do other hosting duties with the Hammer. I'm a creator. I'm a producer behind the scenes as well. You can follow me on Twitter at Jacob underscore Gromenia. To my left, here we have America's number one hater of PTO. It is Joey Knish. I would have made you favored against the field to be late to your own panel, but somebody else stole your thunder yesterday.
01:59 - Joey Knish (Host)
Yeah, you know what I'm just I'm happy to see so many beautiful women in the room right now. It's just unbelievable to see. I never thought sports betting would get me so lucky with the women, but it is nice to have you back from your month-long trip to Europe that we somehow paid for, so congratulations on that.
02:17 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Ten days of PTO, ten too many. You take a PTO day for this one.
02:22 - Joey Knish (Host)
No, I'm still working.
02:25 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, to his left, we have the only person who gives some credibility to the panel. It is our resident one-time contest winner. It is Chris Dierkus at FluffNoLight on Twitter, you looking to make it two after this year's contest Three, indie Smoke and Survivor. Well, even if you do win three, you're still two away from the magical five. You need to be really respected in this space. On the very left, we have the CEO of the Hammer Betting Network. It is Rob Pozzola. Rob, I noticed that for this seminar, you were the only name actually listed. Were you afraid that if myself or Kanish were on, nobody would actually show up to this?
02:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, we're actually afraid to list Kanish, because if you list him then he actually has to show and it's very unlikely.
03:01 - Flup (Host)
That's true, that and he actually has to show, and it's very unlikely, that's true, that's the surprise that's here to be honest with you.
03:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So, yeah, I can't rely on anyone else here with the hammer. That's why I was the only one listed, basically.
03:09 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
There were some internal discussions about the contingency plan. If you didn't show up.
03:13 - Joey Knish (Host)
When have I never not showed to something I've committed to?
03:18 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, I guess you always show up. It just depends on— no, it was Bet Bash two years ago.
03:21
Yeah, well, and dinner last night we had a seat, nice and safe for you, at the head of the table and never showed up. All right, let's jump into the topics for today. We got a serious one, surprisingly, to get us going for this one. We're talking about Ohio potentially moving to ban all-player prop wagering. That is at least a report that came out from Pro Football Talk. Ohio moves to ban all prop bets and we have an article from Rob's boy, mike Florio, who says the concern, as explained by Governor Mike DeWine, comes from the reality that prop bets relate to highly specific events within games that are completely controlled by one player. The harm to athletes and the integrity of the game is clear and the benefits are not worth the harm. Dewine said the prop betting experiment in this country has failed badly, but this has been treated perhaps by people who are not as in tune with the sports betting space. This has been treated as all player prop wagering. But as David Bain David Bain pain burden points out here, that's tough to say. Ohio gambling regulators are drafting a rule to ban certain types of micro bets, including on MLB first pitches. The proposed ban would be on specific events within the within games that are completely controlled by one player, not all player props, according to sources familiar with the issue.
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Story to follow, let's start with the CEO. Of course we'll go to Rob. What are your thoughts on this? Let's first of all discuss the logistics of potentially banning all player prop, because right now you can't in Ohio you can't bet on any player props at all in the college space, but they potentially want to bring this to the pro space as well. How would you feel about that, rob?
04:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, well, I think it's ridiculous, right like there's so many different types of props. And when I saw the david payne purdom tweet, I completely understand where he's like this is coming from with micro, micro bets. Right like that's a gambling regulation where I actually get the logic right. Um, we've seen, will the first pitch be a ball or strike? And pitchers exposing that recently and you know when. It's that controllable, I totally get it, but it's where do you draw the line? Right, when you're starting to offer, like live free throw props. Well, that's definitely controllable as well. Uh, but in a close game, does it matter? If the game's not close, does it matter? So I completely understand where this is all coming from, but now that we've, like, we're conditioned as bettors to have this type of market, it does kind of feel like a step back when you start to take it away.
05:32
And I know some people might say, well, ah, you know you're like a degenerate if you're betting, first pitch is going to be a strike. It's not really the point. It's just that now that these have been in the marketplace, we're kind of used to it. So it feels like a retraction from what the gambling offering is. Is it going to kill the industry? No, absolutely not. And in you know I, I understand the logic in getting rid of them. But micro betting is one thing, player props are completely different. Right, you know, saying we can't bet on the passing yards in a football game anymore because, like, one player can control his own passing yards and influence that bet, that's, that's borderline ridiculous. So, uh, I'm fine with certain types of micro bets being off the you know the agenda going forwards or or the the list of bets, but uh, I I'd hopefully not want to see this, you know, go too far well, kirk's not here so let me play, uh, the sportsbook shill for everybody.
06:22 - Joey Knish (Host)
But I don't see how you, especially at the player prop level, you put the toothpaste back in the tube when most of these bats I mean not you know the, the place, the wonderful circle we're having here but most of these places now the fan duels, the draft kings, are so dependent on sgp hold, yeah, that if you take away player props, I think you've taken away a lot of the model that makes sports books work now, that makes them profitable, that makes a lot of people in this room able to still extract a little from those books. I think if you take away the SGP, which is the number one thing that your rec better wants, your casual better wants, I don't know how much of the overall model at the highest level, whether it be DraftKings, fanduel, any of those, technically works anymore. I'd be fascinated to see what that does to overall revenue volume in Ohio if this passes. The other thing is politically I don't get the. I guess I don't. You try and see a motive politically for what everybody's. The push is here.
07:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't really see the angle. The angle on this it's pr. I mean, there's been so much bad pr lately about, uh, you know, certain types of bet types that are again this is this has come up recently because of um I can't remember the guardians closer where, yeah, yeah, right, where there's very, very clear that, yeah, the first pitch was very regularly a ball and it was way outside the strike zone and you can make off that and I get that. I get removing that type of bet type. But it's just a PR thing. Really. It's so many people who are looking around and be like you know, gambling bad for the industry. Look what's happening here. So I mean, that's really what it is. Yeah, you could say you're protecting the player from betting into a to a market that's fixed. But who, like, is this really really hurting anyone regularly?
08:04 - Flup (Host)
the answer to that is no I think the banning the micro bets is really good, because this is the one problem that regulation has caused. Micro bets weren't a thing, or at least in my opinion or knowledge on pph and whatnot. This is one problem that regulation has actually had and if they ban that it could be a good thing for the industry. But they have to draw the line there and not go to player props, which would be very bad, and I agree with Kanish here. Sgp hold is everything I think Fandle has, like 50% SGPs or parlays. So if they killed that it could do devastation for the industry.
08:45 - Joey Knish (Host)
I don't think the micro bet thing is. Maybe this is going to be extreme, because and I would say it's unbiased, but I'm not unbiased I don't really like the fact that a handful of players in sports have gotten caught, you know, trying to leverage. I don't really give a shit. It's not like they did anything. That I mean. If you want to call it, it creates a slippery slope.
08:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I think you would care a little more if you bet on that market and then you knew it was fixed afterwards.
09:04 - Joey Knish (Host)
Not if I won the not on the fixed side.
09:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're true, you know what it's a 50-50 chance.
09:12 - Joey Knish (Host)
You could be on the right side of the fix and not the wrong side. I mean, do you think this has had a substantial negative impact in terms of, like the I don't know like the quality of the game or the meaning of the game, or the effects of the game, say, the first pitch they throw a ball that decreases the win probability.
09:26 - Flup (Host)
Even though it's a very small amount, it still decreases it some percentage. And you might think, oh, it's not a big impact, but it's some impact. And then from there it creates a slippery slope. What do they do at every inning? Et cetera, et cetera. It could be big problems.
09:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think what we see with gambling legislation is if it's becoming like talked about regularly, then regulators step in and like we got to do something about this. Yeah, not really understanding the space and listen. At the end of the day, I I really don't give a shit. Whether or not micro bets go away doesn't, doesn't affect me. You can, you can make an argument that we've gone too far with what you're actually able to bet on, and I think that's a fair argument. So I'm totally fine with that. But if we're going to start cutting off actual props that really are yeah, they can be influenced, but 99.99999% of them are fair then what are we doing here?
10:15 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, on the topic of athletes actually affecting the outcome of their individual player props maybe not specific to that, but we do have an example of a player involved within the NCAA potentially being involved in some wrongdoing as far as wagering is concerned, and it is John Mateer who actually posted something denying the allegations against him regarding a Venmo two Venmo transactions that took place which referenced sports betting. One of them referenced a specific game in particular. This took place in late 2022, when he was a freshman for Washington State. So deny the allegations. But, as pointed out here by Todd Furman, this story gets more and more absurd. To be honest, would have more respect for the guy if he said, yep, I bet a few bucks with my buddies on a CFB game or had no direct impact on the outcome. I apologize. Ncaa then says that's wrong and moves on with some minor discipline.
11:02
But the NCAA does have rules in place for this and I believe the first strike would be a year off of college football. But the important thing to note, it's not just an NCAA ban for betting. If you are an NCAA athlete, you cannot bet on any sport that is at all affiliated with NCAA. So for football, you cannot bet on NCAA football. You cannot bet on NFL. You cannot bet on CFL, xfl, anything to do with that. So let's go to our expert here for college football. Joey Knish, are you on the side of leniency with Todd Furman or do you think something needs to happen here? It is just Venmo transactions, which he says were made as inside jokes between friends. How do you treat the?
11:41 - Joey Knish (Host)
situation. Well, I know, when I exchange Venmos with people here, I usually like to, as an inside joke, put illegal sports betting in the Venmo handle to make it seem like when we're getting coffee. So do I believe his statement? No, at the same time as you mentioned, the rules against this are so extreme that it's like if he he almost can't admit to it, he can't just go out and say like, oh we, you know, I was with some buddies, we bet 20 bucks on the USC game because then they can drop the hammer on him and be like boom, then he's out for the season.
12:15
Uh, he's probably getting you know, a couple million in NIL from Oklahoma. That's in jeopardy. Any shot. He has to go to the pro level have. This season is gone to me, me, I think he's in this ridiculous spot where it was probably a few bucks with some buddies. He's a complete moron. He puts it in the Venmo handle and now he's up against it where he basically has to deny it and just say, yeah, it was a joke. Because if he admits it, even at the lowest level, the NCAA to feel like they're doing something, can come down and ban him and then, boom, he's off for the year.
12:48 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
So he's supposed to be the starting quarterback for Oklahoma this year. That's correct. So at the time he was the backup for Washington State. Again, he was a freshman. But the process to even get NCAA eligibility is very extensive in the amount of not quite paperwork, but the amount of things you have to read and go over, especially in sports betting and in regards like being an amateur, has never been ever paid uh to play your sport. So he would have known, especially as a freshman, obviously, that he could not participate in anything like this, but it leads to, yes, a tricky situation where he cannot even give the ncaa an inch on this. One uh fluff will go to you next. How do you treat this situation?
13:22 - Flup (Host)
Call me naive, but I think he is joking here. I mean, I'm not the only person. I'm the only person here not knocking on the door of 40, and that's something me and my friends would do.
13:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We would joke about what is that actually, for how would you think, jacob?
13:39 - Flup (Host)
is I'm your age. I was referring to, not producers here. So I believe he's a joke and I don't think he should be punished for something he didn't do and it's hard to prove that he actually did do it. If it comes out with solid proof, then sure. But like, has no one really not written a joke in text Like hey, I sent this memo for like drugs or whatever I mean?
14:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, but even if it's a joke, the optics are horrendous. Right, it's like you. You don't. You don't walk through like airport security yelling you know I've got a bomb. It's like the exact same equipment, like it's. It's the dumbest joke imaginable for an NCAA athlete.
14:18 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
So and a specific game.
14:21 - Joey Knish (Host)
That actually happened right during the time of the USC versus.
14:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
UCLA or something that doesn't seem like a joke.
14:28 - Joey Knish (Host)
No, it doesn't. I didn't know. I stood next to John Mateer's lawyer over here it could be.
14:33 - Flup (Host)
But who is that dumb to make it that public? I?
14:35 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
mean there's a lot of dumb people out there A 19-year-old freshman quarterback, who's got a scholarship, who's been just untouchable his entire life because he's really good at football. That's the sort of person who I could see this absolutely being the case.
14:50 - Flup (Host)
Why is there no more proof, though? Why hasn't his friend come out? The friend can maybe get some money to a reporter like yep, I did take the bet, et cetera, et cetera. Why?
14:58 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
has that not happened? Maybe you wouldn't be such a true friend. You would go look for a paycheck.
15:02 - GRP (Host)
But other friends out there are going to stick up for their friend.
15:07 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, we'll monitor how that situation does fall. We'll talk a little bit more about specific athletes and gambling related to their own sport after we get into this segment here on the New Heights podcast, which is just making waves all around the world, not just in the sports betting space, but we have a market up on Calchi here regarding how many views the Taylor Swift episode on New Heights will have on YouTube. When I looked this morning it was already surpassed 10 million. The forecast here is 26.4, 84% chance of reaching 20 million. I think I saw a line for the views in this one set around 800,000 views, which may be one of the worst lines set of all time, as pointed out by Kirk, who would be good here because he is a big Taylor Swift fan. But let's go to Rob on this one. How do you feel about these sorts of markets taking place and any opinions on something like this?
15:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I love being able to bet any market imaginable. People might wonder why I have my laptop. I've actually been running like some decay rates on the YouTube views right now just to see roughly what this market is set at.
16:05 - Joey Knish (Host)
That's what I usually like to do in my free time as well is run decay rates. I'm actually originating here.
16:11 - Flup (Host)
I'm not moving other people's bets. If you call ChatGPT origination, I don't know what to tell you.
16:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, it's just expediting. I'm providing the logic myself. It's like here we go. I don't even really care about the market as much as I care about the obsession that people have with the entire Taylor Swift, travis Kelsey thing. Like to me, I don't want it to dominate my timeline. I realize we're talking about it right now, but there's so many people who were like are victory lapping today that it didn't do as many views as like a few Joe Rogan podcasts and like the first 20 first 12 hours and 24 hours. It's actually an insane era that we live in now where we're talking about how many views a podcast will have and the ability to bet on it. But I am going to fire into this market because I actually don't think this pot will do at least 30 million in the in the first week here.
17:05 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Uh what's it now it was 10 when I when I pulled this up yeah, it's 11.5 or so right now.
17:11 - Flup (Host)
Does this not have insane market manipulation? You can just buy.
17:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is the real problem here with this market is actually that's a great point. No, might not be a good bet, because anyone who bets the yes can easily buy a ton of views for really cheap. Um, as as I've learned in the youtube business as well not saying I have before, but I definitely that the hammer we would never do that by the way I know some people who could uh hook us up, though I know some people who have experience with that field.
17:37 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Uh, what do you think of this one, kanish?
17:40 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean between us friends here, I mean I'm, I'm gonna give'm going to give it a quick view, not for anything. Listen, am I the biggest Taylor Swift fan? Am I the biggest? No, but it's one of those things that especially Joey Corporate at the water cooler people are talking about.
18:00
I got to give it five minutes or ten minutes just to see what all the rage is about. I've got to give it five minutes or ten minutes just to see what all the rage is about. But once Rob's done with his decrepit analysis, we'll see if I've got a market here to bet into for him.
18:12 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I'm glad you bring up water cooler talk. I'm just thinking like I can't even imagine you chilling by the water cooler with some coworkers just existing as a normal human being in society.
18:22 - Joey Knish (Host)
Hey, joey, corporate babe, you missed out. Maybe we'll get you out. The only thing is we don't offer it. You know eight, 12 weeks of PTO at this, but you actually have to show up to work, so that'd be a little different. But I love and love Kelsey offering this stuff, um, and stand with them on, uh, on many a topic that's going on right. So, yeah, really appreciate Kelshi and it's awesome they offer this. Some people, though as you know, jacob, as we're their sponsor don't read the house rules, as we talked about on previous episodes.
18:52 - Flup (Host)
That is not true. Some people get screwed by the house rules. I'm not talking about anything specific.
18:57 - Joey Knish (Host)
I'm just saying you know in certain scenarios that great to have Kelshi on as a sponsor and stand with them, no matter what.
19:03 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
If you do want to sign up to Calci and support the show at the same time and bet into markets like this with a pretty fair amount of liquidity, you can sign up with a QR code that is on screen right now. I'll leave it up for a few seconds, but you can always go to the links on the show after the fact as well. Or, if you're watching on YouTube or in podcasts or listening to podcasts, you can go to the links that are in the description. But let's get into our next topic. I told you we would circle back to this topic. Here we have this quote coming from Michael Porter Jr and he talks about the influence that athletes can have on their very own betting markets. He says think about it. This is by Michael Porter Jr, now Brooklyn Nets player, former Denver Nuggets player, nba champion. Think about it, if you can get all your homies rich by telling yo bet 10K on my under this one game. I'm an athlete, I got an injury and they get a little back.
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Some people come from nothing and they think like that. Some people think like that, like Michael Porter Jr's brother, john J Porter, who is permanently banned from the NBA for doing exactly that. So perhaps a little bit of experience within the family. But just on this topic here I mean Michael Porter Jr is a player who makes well over $30 million per season. At the time Jontae Porter was making $400,000, I believe it was and had an opportunity to get a guaranteed contract the next year with the Toronto Raptors or another team. But there's players who are really fighting for their livelihood, especially players coming out of the G League on 10-day contracts, even at the level of the NBA, who could feel as though this is a good way to go about it. It helps out their friends. It doesn't really influence the game perhaps a ton to have a player like that not super invested within the game. So let's go to you, flubb, first of all on this one here. Just your thoughts on these markets and players influencing it. Is it really something that should be worried about?
20:42 - Flup (Host)
I just can't believe he said this out loud. This is something you think but you don't actually say out loud. It's pretty sad that this is true and it happened in the family. You've got to keep this quiet and it can be a problem moving on, and this is why I think we need to be paying refs a lot as they can get, because it would kind of stifle this, in my opinion.
21:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, this is like the nightmare scenario that regulators are always talking about, like when they point to the integrity of sports. When you actually have an athlete out there saying this is happening and I know what's happening, agree with Fluff. Like should never say this out loud. Obviously, there's a little bit of a difference here, because his brother's involved in the situation and there's a really lengthy interview where he's talking about a lot of stuff that has to do that. But, like, this is a reality check for sports betting. This is why we're going to continuously have the conversation about certain markets going away and the crackdowns on certain bet, certain types of bets, because now actual athletes are coming out and saying these things.
21:46 - Joey Knish (Host)
It's not like they're only getting caught Literally saying that this is taking place across the league and players are willing to do this and like that's a serious concern and if I I mean this is saying the quiet part out loud but if I think back to you know, if I'm 18, 19 and you know one of my you know boys, I mean not that anybody I knew was going to the nba, but, like you know, somebody made it in some type of sports leagues in your really close friend circle. It would be really hard not to you know, at the barbecue, at the especially these guys grow up and a lot of their friends and stuff in urban neighborhoods and bro like to. Then if somebody you know breaches you, something that, uh, you know wants a couple of dime, you're like an easy way to make your buddies a few dimes. That you don't think is ever going to be an issue. Like it seems like it like it just one of those things that probably could happen, uh, rather easily.
22:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're saying if you had a friend that had influence, you'd be willing to disrupt their entire career so that you can get a couple thousand dollar bed down.
22:50 - Joey Knish (Host)
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If I wasn't making that clear Because we got into this situation, like Eric Eager, was with us for Forward Progress. He didn't give you any draft info.
22:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know and he shouldn't, but you shouldn't even ask him for it.
23:03 - Joey Knish (Host)
All right. Apparently, we weren't as close as I thought.
23:08 - Flup (Host)
Some panel members here have a history of asking for inside information.
23:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oh, that's true, that's a low blow.
23:15 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Perhaps I'm the only real true friend who wouldn't want to put somebody in that position here.
23:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Inside information is one thing. It is, and we would all I think most people in this room if they had access to some sort of inside information and they could profit off it. They would but putting a friend in a bad position to get that information is completely different.
23:41 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
But Fluff would go out of their way to get a quick buck if their friend who was in the NCAA was betting on sports. I never said I would do that. I'm saying someone else might, someone else might Okay, someone else may go out of their way and do such a thing. Well, let's get into our next topic here, on the topic of conferences and things like Bet Bash. This was not the only conference that took place in Vegas in the month of August here. We also had the boot camp that took place with Steve Fezzik and people like Kevin O'Neill, and a video came out. A six-and-a-half-minute video came out on Twitter and he talked about the possibility of these sorts of conferences being breeding ground for people who scam in this space, and he said at the Vegas boot camp that Fezzik and I did I plan to warn on the scams that can easily be run at a conference or a similar gathering of betters. Now, as good as that. He posted this about a week after the boot camp took place. He says Bill Crackman handled the issue so authoritatively there was no need Head on a swivel. Trust needs to be earned.
24:32
There were a few people that disagreed with this, including one of our very own, kirk Evans, who's not able to attend this bash this year. But he says I think what Kevin is saying makes sense. But it's actually entirely opposite of my experience. I typically enter things quite fast and trust people generally and that has been hugely beneficial. Of course it's not blanket advice for everyone, but it is my experience we have Louie L master 99 said if you, if you can be decisive and walk away from bad relationships quickly than trusting early and often far outweighs the opportunity cost of leaving partnerships on the table.
25:02
Money bag yo at get to the window says knowing when to walk away is most important. The most important lesson I've learned in betting saved me insane amounts of money and relationships. Well, there was a little bit of pushback which I think is a little bit fair to at least give some form of a rebuttal from Kevin who says obviously you have the experience of vetting people and have developed instincts that newbies may lack. My advice was geared more towards people new to managing those risks that don't have the perspective you've earned. Guess I could have been more overt about that. So Fluff, you've talked a lot about it on the show previously where you take those risks, because it's plus CB to take those risks. So how do you feel about this situation and the conversation going on?
25:39 - Flup (Host)
I agree with Kirk here. You got to be very aggressive and I typically go into new partnerships thinking that we're both going to make money, we're both going to be trustworthy. I have been burned by some PPHs before and you have been scammed before, but in my opinion, if you're not getting scammed, you're not taking risks, you're not doing a good job of scaling. You need to be aggressive with this and it's good to be cautious for big amounts, but for new partnerships, where it's a little amount, it can lead to very profitable if you enter it quickly yeah, listen, there's a lot of shady things in the sports betting space.
26:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right, we got someone front row who's selling picks on western union this year as well.
26:16 - Flup (Host)
You know.
26:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sorry, troy there's a lot. There's a lot of shady things in the sports betting space and and we all know that everyone's been around that like that that's just I candidly. There'll be people that are at this conference that are probably in some capacity looking to scam. It's happened before. People give out accounts, they walk away with the money. You never hear from them again.
26:37
But what kevin is talking about here, it's good in theory but it's not practical because we operate in a competitive environment, right. So, like fluff said, there's some element of risk taking in sports betting, right? Some partner reaches out to you and says I got a bunch of great accounts. You can ask them questions. You can never know truly, one way or another, whether that person is going to be helpful or not or be true to their word. You can ask around for other people, but you give up that opportunity. It's going to someone else in this space and it's kind of dog eat dog. So I understand what he's saying, be guarded a little bit. But I would also say to people that, yeah, you do have to take risks sometimes and just understand what you know comes with the territory. So I think theory and like what is practical, uh, often you know uh are not the same in the sports betting space you guys touched on the risk part.
27:31 - Joey Knish (Host)
I'm going to go back to the boot camp Joey.
27:33 - Flup (Host)
where would you rather be right now?
27:34 - Joey Knish (Host)
This is like if I was running one of those real estate get-rich-quick schemes. And then I came out a week after I had one where everybody came there and I was like you know what? You should watch out for those real estate get-rich-quick schemes. They can be really troublesome if you go to one of those. Listen, fez, god love him. I wish I would have been able to meet him here, but I can't believe that the people involved with this boot camp were then broadcasting a message of you've got to watch out for scammers at conferences I'll leave it at that.
28:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there's definitely like. There's is like an element of being a hater involved and not with you I'm, I'm, I'm 100 being a hater about the boot camp just to be clear.
28:21 - Joey Knish (Host)
No, no, I'm on the side of that. I want to be on the hater side of that boot camp.
28:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah but it's like this little like faction that's broken away in this like Fezzik bootcamp where it's like, oh, these people don't respect us or whatever. So it's like it's it's almost trying to get back at the rest of the people in the space, like this is an indirect shot at Spanky really is what it is. I would agree it's. It's like he's putting on a conference.
28:51 - Flup (Host)
You don't knowlik you're, you know well, he's taking down himself.
28:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's down 70 units all year it's actually documented.
28:56 - GRP (Host)
No one needs that 74 as of today.
28:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, 74 units down, plus 40 units pending in futures. I don't know, do the math. I don't know how you have 114 of your bankroll in play.
29:06 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Uh, but yeah, that's what's going on he's to be waiting for you guys outside of this. There might be an agent in here sending some messages of what's going on.
29:14 - Joey Knish (Host)
I'm very disappointed that some people who work for the network Jason in the front row didn't actually attend this camp to get us the real. I haven't seen any actual like. Was there people? I need one person to give me like a full, a full, I need a 30 for 30 on. Who went to this and how was it? How did they even get people to show up?
29:33 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Who? I don't know, don't ask me.
29:36 - Joey Knish (Host)
Was there anybody there? I saw videos.
29:40 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
There were a few people there.
29:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There was some footage. There was a bit of footage that was circulating as well. Fez got into Jason's face yesterday.
29:45 - Joey Knish (Host)
You weren't around. Yet I know what face. Yesterday you weren't around.
29:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yet I know what do you call it.
29:49 - GRP (Host)
He called you Pizzola's puppet, right, yeah, we're not, we're not Down where the garage Mahal is, really In the public part of town. Yeah, no journalistic integrity.
30:02 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
No journalistic integrity for producer for the Hammer Down by the garage Mahal. You said it was Jason. Well, I'd like to get just what you guys think. So Jason, who? I mean? We have not been very kind to Fezzik on this network. Jason walked up to Fezzik with a big smile, wanting to shake his hand and introduce himself. Now, as much as I don't think Fezzik responded as best as he could have in that situation, I also feel as though maybe Jason shouldn't have put himself in that position. I'm just curious to get the sentiment on that. Well, I will say from the inverse perspective here.
30:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Elf did the exact same thing to me.
30:37 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
He walked up and he did it to you and to me.
30:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Came up to try to be buddy-buddy with you and Omar to myself. Yeah, I understand Fez's reaction. I will say, even if Jason was going up in good faith to introduce himself, talk about a guy. Enough, they're going to want to punch your face in. Right, this is the reality.
30:57 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, maybe punch his face in next year. Benson, you're going to set up some fights for Circa next year at.
31:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
BetBash right. His legal team is already out.
31:06 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
There was one on Monday, wasn't there, I heard. All right, before we get into any trouble, let's get to the next topic. And once again on the topic of BetBatch, a seminar heard around the world not this one, but it was of the man sitting in the front row right here.
31:19
GRP Wins Yep. Give him some applause. Come on, it was an amazing seminar. Worked very hard to set it up, him and Matt Zilbert. I got to know where did you find that size of a notebook? Did it make it in the suitcase or you bought it here?
31:34 - GRP (Host)
I literally woke up at 7 in the morning, went to breakfast in a bad side of town. I literally just went to an office because there's an office supply store a mile away. I went to the office supply store and I bought a 2x2 feet.
31:48 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
And I'm like this is going to work out well. You must have just lit up it must have been the Pulp Fiction briefcase scene when you saw that notebook staring at you.
31:54 - GRP (Host)
It was about 15 sheets about a couple of landmarkers, and I got lucky, it worked out well. The thing on the way, like a pound on the lip.
32:01 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
it wasn't about to move around and I got lucky, it worked out well, Get some exercise in while while you were in Vegas lifting the notebook up for your hour seminar. So Spinfluencer put it up. This is my quant and he tagged you in it. We have Plus TV Analytics with a photo of it as well occurring simultaneously.
32:15
It was you in the notebook and it was also Judah Forking giving his seminar on SGPs. We have some other people who talked about it. Jeff Benson himself talked about it, presented without comment. You see Zilbert watching on beside, beside grp with fats in the front row. Uh, we also have this one from joey knish himself saying they somehow found the biggest notebook in nevada for this.
32:36 - Joey Knish (Host)
But now we know the full story I'm gonna say you got, we got the investigator reporting to get how he got it.
32:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So now I'm happy for that and you three attend this conference. Uh, I was in judah's uh panel at the time. Um, so no, I didn't. I, I've heard a lot about it. I you know. Candidly, I want to say there's a lot of people like, who aren't here, who complain about it. They're like oh, why would why?
32:55
would anyone want to pay to see these guys? Like they're missing, like the basics of how the world works and supply and demand and economics, right, like I wouldn't drop a few grand to go skydiving. I have zero interest. But there's people who want to go skydiving. People want to go see a seminar with GRP and Zilbert. Let them pay to go see a seminar. Like I don't understand the problem. Bunch of haters out there, but I wasn't there. Sorry, george, I don't think I'm going to learn much about your NFL futures or anything in there, but yeah.
33:30 - GRP (Host)
I was either at Judah's or GRP's, I won't say which one. You went on mine. I will tell you one thing that is the smallest of that little size. There's ones that are about double that size, like 3x3. I'm like if I lift this thing it weighs like 4 pounds. I'm going to get tired of it.
33:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You could have had Zilber, lift the other side.
33:44 - GRP (Host)
I just got lucky, it was the perfect size.
33:51 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Got lucky, it was the perfect size, it worked out well, you know 45 minutes over to wrap it up and, uh, I got lucky it worked out well, it seemed to have been a hit. So, uh, I can recognize why something like that would absolutely take place.
33:57 - Joey Knish (Host)
Knish any thoughts on uh stuff I was able to catch, uh, call it 15 minutes of it and you know what? Like I, I would agree with rob here, where I saw some of the people on twitter that were like there there's an entertainment fact you need some light hardware. A lot of the seminars that are put on here are more either educational, serious. You need some of this mix to come in there. So I enjoyed it. I'm glad that Jordan Zilberweb did get up there, and I thought it was beneficial to have it as part of the. You've got to break up some of the drier stuff that, even though it might be more educational than with some of this stuff, so I liked it.
34:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sorry, Jacob, to cut you off. I wasn't in there, but I did hear, George, that you spoke for about 55 of the 60 minutes.
34:45 - GRP (Host)
It was about 45.
34:47 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Okay, Well, they have to have again the contrast so we can have the very serious educational stuff like this show here.
34:53 - Flup (Host)
Of course it's got to be George. I mean, he's the NFL expert, zilbert's the MLB expert.
34:57 - Joey Knish (Host)
Has Zilbert. Is he still here after the? This is five. What is it? Five straight?
35:01 - GRP (Host)
He said he's out of his comfort zone.
35:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's having a little bad run here. This will be like the COVID MLB season. These games will be deleted because he wasn't at home handicapping them.
35:10 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
He was out of town, all right. Well, we'll stick to the topic as we go to the chopping block. This is in particular it's actually their favorite part of the show the chopping block segment. We've got quite a few things lined up for the chopping block segment. You can see the graphic on screen in all of its glory. First of all, again, grp features a dinner with Jeff Benson, who got his biggest BetBash meeting out of the way. First. Notable topics cover tout service, the Circa Survivor entry and the Star Wars bed. The Pinocchio poster Is that in the hotel room.
35:40 - GRP (Host)
No, the Pinocchio poster was in my mom's extra bedroom.
35:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, it's where George laid out all his clothes on the bed.
35:49 - GRP (Host)
I have no idea where the Pinocchio poster ever really came from, but everyone makes a big deal about it. It's where the grandkids sleep.
35:55 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
And then the potential awkward credit card roulette that could have taken place. You also posted George a photo from the dinner. But no awkward credit card roulette at all. George picked up the tab, said Just had dinner with Jeff Benson, the steak was great. And picked up the tab, said just at dinner, jeff benson, the steak was great and, yes, I treated jeff to dinner. Uh, jeff said george was gelling. Pick up the tag meal tab meal was incredible and the conversation was riveting. A terrific start to my bet bash week. Um, is this the most important interview you guys think jeff benson had all week?
36:21 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean what was the line on george to pick up the tab pre priest?
36:25 - GRP (Host)
I mean that is he knew that I invited. I said week before I sent him a DM Jeff want to take out for dinner. Let's pick the first night. Let's do it right.
36:33 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I love it. Is that true, Jeff?
36:35 - Joey Knish (Host)
Yes, look at that.
36:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Look at that With that said, I wouldn't have taken 5-1 on Georgia.
36:43 - GRP (Host)
It only cost north of $400,. Let's leave it. You see them right there with the tip, but the steak was good. Right, jeff, great steak, it was fantastic.
36:49 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Great stuff, great stuff. Happy to see the lighthearted content like that. But it's not all lighthearted. On Twitter and in the content space we had PropDude at PropDude7 said Not much good betting content out there as of late. The recent episodes of this pod have been solid. Anyone looking to kill time? Learn a little. This is Takers pod and the shipper had something to say that risk. Takers pod used to be pure ass and now is good. Circles off channel used to be good and now is pure ass. Amen. We got alerted by Kirk Evans with the hashtag circle back. Can I say anything to say about shipper on this one?
37:20 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean, I don't know where the ship is this week. I thought he'd be in. I don't know he's supposed to be here, but didn't want to. Didn't want to take the heat maybe. No, you didn't want the heat in the kitchen. Uh, listen, I think I. I know he's part of that. You know niche that really liked the the circles off. You know brand of content and that there's only so many really good betting interviews you can do. And I think you, you know you hit so many early on the first couple years that you just you're at some point you run out of great. It's not like it's uh, you know mlb where you can interview up daily picks or whatever.
37:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right, right yeah, writes itself. I will say, like, listen, there there is. Maybe the pendulum has swung too far on circles off right. Uh, at the end of the day, when, like, I'm creating content, I want to create content that I enjoy doing. I love doing this show. Sometimes doing the interviews, setting them up, you know, preparing for that can feel like pulling teeth, book lining up guests. I don't have johnny on the show anymore, johnny's in the room here. That, like, alleviated a lot of things for me. Not blaming you, by the way, but I'm not but, but. But it's just a different field now, right, but flops mentioned this to me before off air and saying like we should get back to doing some more educational stuff, and we will do that.
38:32 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I promise we are trying to set it up. We keep saying it.
38:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But with regards to Shipper, like I personally, this may say a lot about me, but when someone comes in and says like here's how you got to do your thing, and they're very authority on content creation, my instinct is to do the exact opposite. So I'll probably hold off on doing interviews for like another two months now, just because Shipper's been tweeting about it nonstop.
38:56 - Flup (Host)
Shipper comes from a good place. He's kind of a dick on Twitter, but he's much nicer when you talk to him on the side and I think he had some truth here and I really love the show and I'm hoping we will come back and do some more sharper things, Even though circle back does have some sharp takes Some some. Yeah, it depends on who they come from, not me, that's not, I'd say probably.
39:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Kirk, mostly, definitely not Jason, but I mean.
39:23 - Joey Knish (Host)
I generally agree, just in where the, that you'd like to have a blend, more of a blend that we have now but more healthy balance.
39:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, we'll return to at some point, yeah yeah, conditions.
39:33 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I don't do my job. I do host production creation.
39:36 - Joey Knish (Host)
I'm also a contractor on site building only work three months out of the years, exactly. You'll be working that much. When you're doing it's cold. You can't. You can't do construction in winter in canada. What are you?
39:45 - GRP (Host)
talking about man.
39:47 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Next topic here, also from Bet Bash, we have. Scootergate Elf posted a video of man of the Library. He said holy shit, things are getting heated in the poker room. Man of the Library just stole a real Fats' scooter. Fats currently has no idea who took it Quick hit and run from the library. Now, right after this happened, fats called the cops and Rob. What is it that he said to describe the situation to the police?
40:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, I walked by facts and he filled me in on the situation. I'm like what? What is the crime here? And I, I shit you not. He said grand theft scooter and I didn't know if he was joking. But then he filled out paperwork for like three hours in the poker room. Security was there. Everything was this big ordeal. Like listen, normally I'm, I'm very pro prank, like I. I like I'm, I have a sense of humor. If you told me someone swiped someone else's scooter as a gag at a gambling conference and took it for a boot, I'd probably laugh. But I hate this guy.
40:45 - Flup (Host)
Library so much that I was egging fats on.
40:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm like press charges, like do whatever you can like and and honestly it's one thing. If, like, it's your buddy, you know if you're, if your fats is buddy and you play a little yes, these guys don't like each other right, right, right, like it, it's too much so, uh, and also like I think this, this whole thing, like the whole elf library stuff, it seems so scripted to where, like elf, just happened to be right, right, oh yeah.
41:11 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Then egging on fats like, oh, where'd your scooter go? Yeah, yes, what do you think? Fluff is this playful like shoving over someone's chips chips in the poker room is it right that?
41:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, by the way is mr peanut better here. Mr peanut better came in last night into the poker room, knocked over fluff chips and fluff wasn't very happy about it.
41:29 - Flup (Host)
That is not true. I was laughing, I thought it was funny, because it is funny, it's Bill's camaraderie.
41:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
For context, fluff thinks it's okay to knock over people's chips at the poker table. It's just all fun and games. But when it happened to him he wasn't happy. Then he realized he wasn't happy. He put on a yeah, very funny.
41:46 - Flup (Host)
Yeah, yeah, how crazy is that he's a racist himself. I did not press charges. I'm not as extreme as Fats is.
41:54 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean, I can not love the people that involved in making this video, but it's an objectively fucking hilarious video.
42:02 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
That is true, it's on the script. That's why, unfortunately, I have to agree with you. But also it's very funny that he pressed charges and I think that adds to it.
42:11 - Joey Knish (Host)
Also Library. I think he's a little bit of a rap sheet. It could be trouble for him if he actually gets through and wants to push. I mean, after seeing what I've seen from Fats on Twitter the last few months, I wouldn't put anything past him taking this to the furthest extent.
42:33 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I can't confirm, but I have heard he will no longer be pressing charges if Manly pays off some of his debts in this space.
42:37 - Flup (Host)
Okay, fats took down McDonald's, so shouldn't he be able to take down Manly Library?
42:43 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, I don't know, he's a big deal. Let me know. We'll go to the next topic. Here we have a little bit of dub club, an anti-tout month celebrated by all at chinamaniac, who sit in front row here as well. Uh, dub club may be going a little bit at their own. Uh, why shouldn't? Why you shouldn't start selling sports picks unless you've got the edge to win long term. And then there was a long thread about winning long term, selling the picks on Dub Club, which is a very strange situation. That takes place when oftentimes they turn the blind eye on a lot of people who sell losing picks and are making a lot of money and boasting their Dub Club earnings rather than their actual betting earnings. Kanish, when you saw something like this, how did it make you?
43:25 - Joey Knish (Host)
feel I mean I already used the stupid fucking real estate analogy here. But I mean this is the set where, like somewhat like you're having a platform that monetizes losing picks and then going out and telling people you shouldn't start selling picks unless you have an edge. Um, but, but it's all part of the we'll call it the the grift of of what they're. They're kind of pontificating here to get away with. So am I surprised to see it? No, I'm not. But at some point, you know, when Rob and I have talked about this in the past, like you can only do so much from it I know Spin tries his best you can only do so much from, like a educating the public perspective. But I'd seen now where, like we've talked about this on a few shows, some of these dub club people have like 150k followers. 200k followers, it's like if that's what people are gonna continually gravitate towards, is there much you can really do from the extra?
44:22 - Flup (Host)
and so I I my answer is probably no yeah, there's not much you can do, but I also want to shout out spinfluencer for being kind of the aggregator for this side of uh gambling twitter. I try not to follow a lot of that side of clutters my feed, but he gets the best part, so it's nice to see that here. Made me laugh. I was like this has to be photoshopped and then it's it's real do you think there's like they're legitimately like the dub club, are they?
44:48 - Joey Knish (Host)
They have this much of a mass following Because there's multiple people out there, like many of them, with hundreds of thousands of followers. I mean, it's hard to really know how much is real with all the screenshots and the Photoshop stuff that they're pleased to do, but it's insane to me that they have so many people that have garnered such a mass following.
45:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, sadly. I do think it's. It's actually real. I mean it's you look at the engagement numbers on a lot of the tweets that these guys are posting like they're generating real quality engagement. It's not, it's not fake. So I do think the followings are real. I mean this is. I mean this stuff happens in the space all the time. It's like the casino that's like oh, you gotta gamble responsibly and then you lose all your money.
45:28
It's like here's your redeposit bonus like it happens in the space all the time, but um, yeah, it's. It's kind of pathetic, honestly, like if they genuinely believe that 90 of people wouldn't sell, they wouldn't be trying to actively onboard every single person in the gambling space through twitter, dms, right and this is all. This is obviously a thread, too, that wasn't just created by the social media guy. Like this is handed down from the top, basically. So I've said my piece on Dub Club in the past before it's pretty awful.
45:57 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I don't hold out hope here, but at the very least, at least there is now an attempt on the platform, or at least representing the platform, to want to reflect their company in this direction. I don't think it's going to continue in this direction. Direction, I don't think it's going to continue in this direction. I don't think they're going to continue with this, but, like, maybe this is just the seed to get it started. Uh, we'll have to monitor it and keep you updated on the show as well.
46:19
Uh, the next one here, from sam hoppin, who quote tweeted something from scott hansen, host of nfl red zone, the incredibly popular show um for the nfl. He said this said what I do a college red zone, you betcha. And Sam Hoppin said not sure if this is a controversial take, but the NFL is the perfect product for red zone and we should stop trying to recreate it for other sports. It has the ideal number of games, enough breaks in the action for switching between games and rare enough scoring events. Now, you three were all very excited to talk about this. Let's go to you first of all, rob. Uh, are you somebody who does use red zone for their nfl watching experience on a sunday?
46:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah. So I love red zone. I have forever uh. This stems back from like when I used to work at at the score in the early 2010s and we used to have programs like court surfing, which was like an nba jumping to jumping uh type of thing. I love red zone. I think it's really well done. People give Scott Hanson a lot of shit all the time but to do that job. It's incredibly challenging to do that job in real time with so much going on. I don't agree with Sam here. I actually think a lot of sports could benefit from a red zone type of program. I just don't think it's ever been tried or done in the right way. You should be jumping the teams when they're on the power play. You don't need to wait till a commercial break to you could go all over. You can do multi-screen types of stuff. I agree that the NFL's like setup is most conducive to doing something like this, but I actually think it would work for other sports have done properly.
47:52 - Flup (Host)
I disagree. I agree with Sam here. Nfl is the perfect product, for it can maybe works in some college football Saturdays, but there's too many games. But I don't see how hockey I mean the power play maybe, but that's it. What are we going to do for MLB and NBA? There's not enough action.
48:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's high leverage there. The thing is, though, red Zone doesn't show everything in real time. Oftentimes, you'll get a play that happened like six minutes ago. It doesn't have to be real in time. Oftentimes, you'll get a play that happened like six minutes ago. It doesn't have to be real in time, it just has to feel real time, and I think that's what the red zone experience does really well.
48:24 - Joey Knish (Host)
I think issue the one ESPN like these. They've tried it so like it was such a miserable failure that nobody even like knows there was an ESPN goal line. If you're a diehard college football guy where they tried something like that, couple of things were, as you said, there's too many games. Espn then only has the broadcast rights to show clips from their games. Yeah, so if you've got college football games on cbs, on fox, you're not going to be able to show the red zone clips then. And if you're really wanting to do you know whatever, the you know noon slate or a 330 slate, yeah, you're talking about such a. Are you gonna then go to like? Are you going into the mac? Are you going to the mountain west? And the production quality of like the, the espn's just it just hasn't been very good like so.
49:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But that's my point, like I don't think. I don't think the concept is the problem, I think the execution, yes, is the problem, but I, I'm, I love red zone, so it's. I'm kind of biased because I I would like to see that for other sports. I know soccer did it for champions league like the zone they do it for a premier league. Yeah, as well, and I kind of like match day live.
49:25 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
The issue with so how they do it for match day live for premier league is they have a marquee game that they'll show. They'll have all the scores on the bottom and they'll have the marquee game and every time there's a goal, another game, they'll switch to it, which is great. The the issue with it is if the marquee game turned into a bit of a dud now for a sports betting conference, it's never quite over because there's always bets that could happen and take place. But from like a casual viewing perspective, if it's four nothing in the 80th minute of a game and it's one one another game of pretty much equal importance, they should flip to that and focus on that game. So nothing is quite as good as red zone.
49:58 - Joey Knish (Host)
I don't think other sports are as conducive to switching over between action as football. Like it, doesn't like you, football has lots of breaks yes, in play.
50:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Soccer's just a continuous clock. I mean technically there's breaks for corner kicks and stuff. But yeah, I agree with that, football is the best sport for this by a mile. But I still think that it could be executed better from some other weeks?
50:23 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
I think so too. Maybe not for like, like Flub said, like NBA I can't really see how that would work effectively or MLB, but soccer, I think, does it. Okay, it stands to be improved, but red zone is the perfect thing.
50:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, you enjoy watching, like the last two minutes of an NBA game that take 24 minutes of real time. You're telling me you can't jump around from game to game when that's happening.
50:42 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
That's true. When you get to that stage of the game you can, so maybe they would stand to stagger start times.
50:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You cut in every now and then when there's like a really nice dunk or some like big.
50:54 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Well, we'll see if anybody does follow. It would be a tough act to follow 100%. I think this might be the second last one. We're getting towards the end here we have Joey Kanish himself with a tweet here at. Joey Kanish says I don't give a fuck how boomer this take is, but it used to be really nice to just flip on an MLS game, a NASCAR race, an EPL SAR game or any other niche sport on cable without having to play the wood streaming. Is this on lottery? Never forget what they took from us. Why don't you elaborate for us here?
51:21 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean listen when joey k's you know he's got the, the light, you know the monitor up, he's in the lab cooking up stuff. I got the one. I just want to be able to take my remote and flip fucking channels between, between games, between sports and all that. Now you've got six different streamings. I don't give a fuck how much cable cost me if it still had all the fucking thing. Now it's like six different streaming services I have. I used to legitimately watch nasca, mostly because I've been but nascar every week, mls to torture myself all the time. I haven't the first year getting better for first year mls went to apple.
51:56
Uh, apple I like, I bought it yeah and then at the end of the season I was like I watched like fucking four games, like why do I even have this? And canceled it. And so I don't find myself. If it's college football, where I'm a diehard, I'll go find, I'll go watch on espn plus, I'll go watch it on wherever. If it's a sport that I'm more of a casual fan, or it's like if I just wanted to flip on a game that, like I had bet on to sweat and it's like, eh, am I going to turn on Paramount and put it on another screen. I think we really fucked up in this country, taking away what used to be a good thing. It's like toothpaste out of the tube. I don't think it'll ever be back to all-in-one location.
52:37 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
When it first started the streaming. I mean, I can't speak for the USA, but in Canada I remember DAZN came out, had all NFL games Great. Now I get every NFL game, I can flip through them. They also had Premier League, also Champions League, so everything I want to watch is all here. And then this happened with movies, tv shows, like Netflix had it all. Then more people started dipping, reaching, more people start dipping, reaching their hands and then grabbing all this. Now it's become a problem. I wonder if it will kind of cycle the other way, but yeah go ahead.
53:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't think this is a boomer take. I think the vast majority of people would agree with this. I think what the streaming has done has killed the casual fandom. Yes, yeah, like I used to have such a deep knowledge of every sport because I would just flip through channels. I can't name you a single NASCAR driver right now. I used to watch like three or four races just because it happened to be on at some point or another, and now that's killed it for me. So I'm less of a sports fan because of the streaming services. I'm not going to go jumping through different fucking logins to find an event I don't even care about. It's not going to happen.
53:35 - Joey Knish (Host)
And what do you think long-term I mean this is Pandora's box but like long-term what that does to the sport. I understand if you're NASCAR, if you're MLS and you don't have the same you know NFL network contracts and stuff you have to take some of the streaming money that's out there when you've got you know Bezos and Apple and everybody trying to start up their own streaming. But long, long term it's like how many casuals it kills niche sports.
53:58 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Yeah right. Well, it's just strange because NASCAR is on a downward trend for viewership right now, like NFL is one thing, because everyone wants to watch the NFL, it's so popular but for a sport going in the direction of NASCAR, it is strange to take away the casual viewership which would garner interest.
54:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, guys like Jacob want to see niche sports like darts grow I pay for my subscription, so I'm good I get to cover that.
54:22 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
How about you? Any thoughts on this one Flup?
54:26 - Flup (Host)
Rare Joey K W.
54:27 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Not a boomer take.
54:29 - Flup (Host)
Not at all, I completely agree.
54:31 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
All right. Okay, this might be the second last one here. We have Cole here, who put a video of the 13-year-old aspiring umpire. Bradley is doing a great job out there at the Cubs-Cardinals game. I don't have the video up here, but it's a photo. He is standing in the middle of the staircase in the crowd mimicking the same calls as the umpire in full umpire gear. Now for a lot of people maybe just looking like, oh, it's a fun little video of a kid pretending to be an umpire. But Cole here, I think, kind of gives a sentiment that I think a lot of us may resonate with. This kid is a nuisance to everyone in his section and everyone knows it. His parents are oblivious. Now I know a lot of people who go to baseball just to hang out with friends, have drinks, see something. I'm going to baseball to watch baseball, so I would agree with something like this baseball to watch baseball. So I would agree with something like this We'll go to you Fluff on this one to start.
55:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What do you think on this? Are we too angry? I can see you at 13 doing it.
55:26 - Joey Knish (Host)
Yeah, I was going to say this seems like Fluff's going to be like oh, this kid's on the right foot in life.
55:29 - Flup (Host)
Absolutely not. The parents are the problem here, not the kid. The parents are to blame. What are they thinking? I mean, why are they trying to make the kid the star of the show? This is ridiculous. I mean, you come to baseball to watch baseball, not some stupid kid in an umpire In six years.
55:44 - Joey Knish (Host)
This family— the parents are to blame.
55:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He calls the kid stupid within the first five seconds.
55:48 - Joey Knish (Host)
This stupid kid, this family's going to be on Dr Phil. The kid's going to be like cracked out because he's been bullied throughout high school for all this. Like you are setting your son up for failure if you're putting him in this position, especially like right before he goes into high school and he's a no who. When you're like this age, who the fuck dreams of growing up to be an umpire or like a?
56:09 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
referee. Oh, that's the classic. Like you're playing pickup with your friends and that one guy's like all, all ref that that's the worst fucking person at any pickup and that's right's right, and that's the guy. That's why everybody is, and he goes to school in the uniform.
56:22 - Joey Knish (Host)
I hope not for his sake, I hope not for his family's sake.
56:26 - Flup (Host)
Maybe this is a deeper play, like be an umpire and then, with sports books being out, you know, rig the game.
56:32 - Joey Knish (Host)
Yeah, first pitch ball, or something like that.
56:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Fathers are definitely degenerate. They're setting him up for 20 years from now to get all his money back.
56:40 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Okay, this is the last one. This comes from. Abnormally Dist, abnormally Distributed. After multiple losing months, crackman posted clarification that a 5% play is actually 2.5%. And then it's a screenshot play rating percentage of bankroll. Rating percentage of bankroll. It is a showcase that each of the percentages initially referenced equals half of what it was initially initially referenced as um. How do you feel about something like this, rob?
57:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
well, you, you simply can't do this I mean I I don't know if, if this was like something that if you subscribe to like cracks package or something, you get something beforehand that tells you this play is equal to that, and he's just clarifying now I don't know. If that's the case, it seems like horrible timing to go on a really bad streak and then tell people, well, you actually only really lost half of, should have lost half of what I recommended here, because these are the percentages. If this is happening after the fact, it's frankly it's awful. So, uh, yeah, I'm not a big fan. The optics do not look good.
57:39 - Joey Knish (Host)
It's interesting that I'm going to keep digging in this hole here, that that crack is not so. It seems like there's a group of people that have decided to maybe we'll call it do their own thing or fight back against. I'd love to maybe even get maybe in another episode a little deeper dive and we have some more about what's actually happening here. But you don't see crack walking around here.
58:05
Um, he was here the first day you just came in a day late okay, maybe I'm a day late, so I I would have liked to have, you know, heard a little bit. Uh, maybe some I agree some justification here on this um the definition needs to be clear on day one.
58:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, it's not. Not after you go through a prolonged losing stretch and then you post this out, because at that point everyone's bet what you've already now five percent play. People think they're betting five percent of their bankroll. That's ludicrous. Why would you think something like that?
58:32 - Joey Knish (Host)
I know exactly. But there's also yeah, abnormally, this is really doing the lord's work on this but where him and Fez were basically releasing like 60% of the same plays that are coming out.
58:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's a lot of overlap. Yeah, I'd like to compare that to Hitman's plays as well.
58:48 - Joey Knish (Host)
So I mean that to me is like we're just, we don't have to go all the way into the wager talk depth here.
58:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But it's like that's another one-hour show.
58:59 - Joey Knish (Host)
Well, yeah, I was going to say. It's like we've got one play we're going to give out and then we're just going to have like four of our people who are selling to different crowds all give it out.
59:07 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Last word from you Flip Head us off.
59:09 - Flup (Host)
I just can't believe this is real. Why would you say 5%? How stupid are your users Like well, what the heck?
59:18 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
All right, great way to finish it off for today. This has been Circle Back there on the left, rob Pizzola at Rob Pizzola on Twitter. Over here we have Fluff at Chris Dierkis. That's not his name. You know, when somebody says Chris, I go. Who are you?
59:31 - GRP (Host)
talking about who the hell is.
59:32 - Jacob Gramanga (Host)
Chris. Chris Dierkis at Fluff. No, lied on on Twitter. We have JoeyKanish at JoeyKanish22. I'm Jacob at Jacob underscore Grimenya on Twitter. As Jeff Benson said, no fights this year at Bet Bash, but perhaps there will be some once we finish off this show and word starts to get around, perhaps, of what was said. Thank you again, everybody. Thank you to Galshi. We love Galshi.
