00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
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01:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You know what? There you go, yeah, yeah, good weekend, good week for Joey K. The boys filled in admirably. You know, jason, I like to do some charity. You know work now and then. So giving Jason, you know, a little bit of FaceTime for an hour feels like it's like going to the soup kitchen and giving somebody you know, uh, 20 bucks here to go get some a snack. Getting jason, you know, a show, get him some reps uh, it felt good and I'm guessing by this you mean your date ended with you getting pegged. 

01:54
It was a nice, nice, exactly right. 

01:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, that's what I was going for well, there was a bit of charity work, I'd say, in the last three minutes of game one of the Eastern Conference Finals, a couple of days late because we record this Thursday evenings. But the New York Knicks absolutely gave away this game. One to the Indiana Pacers Complete choke. Nba teams coming into this game were 0 and 970 in the playoffs over the last 27 years, when trailing by 14 plus points with under 250 left in regulation Tonight made it the one. The Indiana Pacers came back. Tyrese Halliburton hit what he thought was the game-winning shot at the buzzer which prompted this Reggie Miller-inspired choke gesture in front of Reggie Miller who was commentating on the game, which was pretty cool. Ended up being only a two, but the Indian Pacers still did win in overtime. So another big comeback from the Pacers, but the Knicks on the wrong side of a comeback. 

02:49
This time Jono Barnes here said breaking the New York Knicks reveal a new logo. It's just the Atlanta Falcons logo in different color in the New York Knicks, blue and orange. But as Bomani underscore Jones points out, brother, they're the Knicks, their Bomani underscore Jones points out, brother, they're the Knicks. Their own logo works just fine. Yes, a history of things like this. Nadeau, did you watch game one? What's your kind of? You're not from New York. 

03:19 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
What's your stance on the New York Knicks as a franchise? Well, you know it's funny. When I was a kid I used to really enjoy. I loved those John St's teams. When I was a kid and, being in the philadelphia area, that was kind of a no-no, just because we, you know, I was a philly guy, but I used to like those teams a lot. 

03:30
I mean, the knicks are kind of lovable losers. They've not been real good for a while. I actually thought they'd find a way in the previous series to, you know, kind of do what we think they'll do. They haven't been really that good in a long time. Um, tough start. Um, but monty jones doesn't have many good tweets. He's had a pretty bad history of just being really cringy, but that was actually a pretty funny one. Um, I actually had an opinion on some of the stuff I've seen today, uh, involving that game last night, uh. But uh, yeah, uh, I think the knicks are going to lose Ultimately. I just don't think they're a group that they just come across to me as a loser organization and I think they'll find a way To piss it away. 

04:14 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm going to Joey pass posts here. So I took the Pacers in the series. I took the Pacers in the game. I actually turned this off With like in the fourth quarter. I was like, oh, like, I'm holding an L here, turned it off, didn't see, just was like on my phone and saw Twitter absolutely blow up when the shot locked. People are like, oh my God, oh my God, flashback, so missed it. Live. I will say I got Halliburton. I like. I will say God Halliburton. I will say he won some money doing good things with the Pacers and all that. If I was a Knicks fan or if I'd like going up against this guy in a playoff series, he had that poll where he was voted like the most overrated player in the league, I think solely because other players hate him so much because he's like that unlikable as a person. Um, but I don't know, flip did your? Did your knicks? Uh, did they blow the series with this melt? 

05:15 - Flup (Co-host)
well, unfortunately I have the next series and I took the next game, game one, so I am not a playhouse have not been good for you. 

05:24
The only thing my saving grace has been the Thunder. But I'm not a fan of Halliburton at all. I really was hoping that we could get some karma when he did the choke emoji and it didn't end up winning it outright. But you know, knicks are getting bet right now. I still think they can win the series. Obviously, the Pacers should be and are rightfully favored, but I'm really hoping they can come back. It would be nice to win game two and then maybe steal one of the next two away games, but we'll see. I can't take the victory lapping if the Pacers win the East. That would be too brutal. 

06:00 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
And, by the way, I know Kanisha's talked about this. I'm going to go the other way. I almost want to see the Knicks lose because the whole, after every game, acting like they won the title in the streets is so cringy. I mean enough, dude enough. I mean we're not allowed to say it because you're rooting against fandom if you do, and all those celebrities that don't give a shit about the game until it gets into the playoffs, like timothy chalamet. When was the last time he was in new york? I'm seriously, he lived in new york for 20 years ago. 

06:30 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, there's like a fan card of nick fair, like where, like you've got your, you know, like spike lee who's like you know what I'm saying, and some of the all-time and then but this, this run has brought out the uh, the bandwagon a-listers that just slide in and want to ride the bandwagon. 

06:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
They're not like Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller's there every game. 

06:50 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Ben Stiller, tracy, morgan, foster, rimes, fat Joe's kind of corny now, but he's always. I mean some of these guys. I mean Cardi B. When was the last time she was in New York? Seriously, dude the guy. 

07:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Did the Pacers fan who got trash thrown at him? Did he deserve that? Is that a yay or nay? Because I like if you're running through the streets with a Pacers jersey after the Knicks clinch. 

07:18 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
But are you running through the streets? I mean, he's probably going home. He's probably like a transplant. You know, listen, in a town philadelphia is known for this and I and as I've gotten older, I've I've come to agree that it's such goofy, lame behavior. I mean, you're gonna have fans of all the teams. New york's, a city where a lot of people move to, a guy's probably from you know, bloomington, indiana, and he's got a evade people trying to assault him to get home. I I mean come on. 

07:45 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, it's one thing when you're at like you're almost asking for it, you're egging on the opposition crowd, but another thing when you're just maybe just going home. I want to go back to Halbert, and I'm actually interested in the comments if you're a fan or not of Tyrese Halbert, because I thought when that poll came out voting him I think it was players who voted him the most overrated player in the league. I was pretty stunned Because I think Hal Burton's fantastic and he's kind of proven that in the playoffs. I actually quite like Tyrese Hal Burton. I don't really understand where the hate stems from, kanish. What is it about Hal Burton that irks you like this? 

08:18 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
He's corny, he's cringe, he's like that guy who does stuff you know like he has these things like pre-planned on purpose. 

08:31
He's like I saw some tweets that like you know he's taking over from tatum for the corniest player in the league. Uh, I don't, he's not taking that title just yet. I will say, though, the if it like, if that. If that was an actual three, granted, they win the game and all that, but that's like a they'll be. If it was a legit three, that show they'd be replaying that for like 20 years. The fact he had to go to OT and then but I mean, listen, it was, I'll give him credit for last night Like that was pretty solid. 

08:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I think with the choke gesture I liked it. I thought he didn't play it cool enough Like he was kind of sprinting around, you just got to hold it and rely and chill. Yeah, yeah, he was like he was kind of sprinting around. You just got out, you just got to hold it and rely and chill. Yeah, he was like so excited. You're right, that was definitely premeditated. He thought at any point in the series something like that happened. 

09:11 - Flup (Co-host)
He was gonna bust that out. Another thing that that was weird is knee smith was the real mvp of the pacers. I mean eight for nine from three, that was. Everyone was giving halliburton the credit, but I don't know if he deserved it. 

09:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, well, somebody gave him maybe I don't know what to call this sort of credit, but Jeff Nadu pointed this out to us this tweet from Polymarket Sports. I don't really want to explain it that much, but, nadu, you quoted and said what in the fuck is this tweet? Holy shit. The post is unavailable now because Polymarket Sports deleted it. They showcased Tyrese Halliburton's game one stats 31 points, 11 assists, four rebounds in the game, tying buzzer, beater, uh. But then said pray for New York. And then posted a photo of Tyrese Halliburton's face, photoshopped on top of Osama bin Laden, and said the haliband just bombed New York. This is one of the most in poor taste tweets I think I may have ever seen. Nadeau, what was your first reaction to seeing this? This is awful. 

10:13 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Well, first of all, how many shows have we done? Probably around 10. This is the most pathetic tweet we've featured in this show yet. First of all, osama bin Laden was part of al-qaeda, not the taliban. That's important to understand first. Number two at what point do we say to ourselves these views aren't worth what we're going to get from what we're going to do here now again, most of the people that do this are faceless trolls. They get nothing out of doing it. They just do it to be funny. But this is a website, website that tries to be formidable. I like Polymark I've never had an issue with him, but I mean, this is also a guy who is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and perpetrated one of the probably actually the worst mass casualty event in the history of this country in the same city, just blocks away from where that went on last night. 

11:05
There's just again. It doesn't surprise me. The internet always goes into this depraved levels of of trying to be funny and a lot of the times, the people that are doing this weren't even born when this happened. I mean, at what point does something off limits with something? 

11:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean seriously, I think that you you know it's like this is a tweet, and I actually think this originated, like the picture, from kind of like a Twitter aggregator account, like the type of like account you would expect to see some like crazy stuff from not a company that you don't say be like. You wouldn't expect, like then you know, walmart to pick that up and tweet it out. So I think yeah holy market there. 

11:45
God probably got a little caught up with like the oh twitter. You know people are making jokes on that, and then that's kind of one of those that like, oh my god, I can't believe this is. Uh, this has been sent out from like an actual company that's trying to do not, not some like rando that's it, they're trying to build their brand. 

12:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
This was, yeah, to try and build their brand yeah, so yeah, that would. 

12:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That was, uh, that was a rough front, surprising that I know when they do tweet like it was up for at least like 30 minutes, like I, that's one of those that usually you know you might last uh, you know three, five minutes, but I was up there for a minute when you become and you want to get into content. 

12:23 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
You got to play the long game and I've seen a lot of these young kids today. They're resorting to these wild ways to get views. Just play the long game, like joey kanish, like myself, you know, because all other people. It'll work if you're, if you're funny and interesting, it'll work. You don't need to resort to this kind of shit. And again, if it was some troll, you know faceless troll, whatever we get, why they do it. But what was in it for polymarket here? 

12:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't know. 

12:51 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
5 000 views in 30 minutes. It's not worth it absolutely uh. 

12:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
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13:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Now back to circle back so a large debate sparked across the wnba for things well beyond basketball. Once again, kind of, I think an issue developing with the league is that the conversations are not on basketball. Not that it's the fault of the league, but it all stemmed from Caitlin Clark committing a hard foul on Angel Reese the typical type of play you'd see in a basketball game purposely fouling somebody who's bad at shooting free throws so that they take free throws instead of getting a layup. But obviously this story spun out of control a little bit because there's already pre-existing beef between Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese. And then, as brought up here by Johnny Midnight, it's the DR says can you imagine a crybaby? Angel Reese missed her free throws and fans booed her unmercifully. Wnba is investigating Indiana fans for cheering after Angel Reese missed her free throws as an act of quote unquote racism Again to me. You know, if the opposition's taking free throws, you're probably just going to boo them in hopes that there's a 1% extra chance they missed that free throw. 

15:00
Jason Whitlock had this to say about it. He said Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark. She hates the one person who might lead the it. He said Angel Reese hates Kaitlyn Clark. She hates the one person who might lead the WNBA to profitability. Reese hates the player who has made her rich and famous. This is insanity. Why hate Kaitlyn Clark? You're nothing without Kaitlyn Clark. And then there's a long tweet from Robert Griffin III which I don't really want to read, but basically Jason Whitlock kind of paraphrased it. Rg3 said Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark, and it's very obvious to us. And RG3 goes on about how it's not racism, it's just Angel Reese doesn't like Caitlin Clark. That's where this is all coming from. Nadeau, I see you kind of nodding along with me here. What's? 

15:40 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
your thought on this. I can relate to this because there's a person who I've had a long-standing, 10 plus year issue with and he hates me, but there's some part of me that says I got to give him some credit for making me relevant on some levels. I've done other things that I'm proud of, but again there's that point that I have to just accept that we're tied together. For as long as I do stuff, I will always hear that name in my replies. I don't hate him, he hates me. Um, I agree with Whitlock, which I don't say very often. Uh, whitlock's 100% right here. 

16:16
Um, angel Reese, a lot of the time, is one of these people that constantly pokes the bear, then gets upset when it comes back to them. She brings it on herself. A lot of the time it relates back to years. A year ago she made this comment that she was sexualized all the time, but then again, we'd always see her wearing these insane outfits and bring the attention to herself, and she's always bringing the attention to herself. Then, when it comes on her negatively and she doesn't want to do it, it's this or that or whatever. Yeah, without Caitlin Clark she'd be just another nobody. 

16:52 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
All right, I'm going to, I'm going to love it with the year I, this, this Clark Reese stuff is like crack for me. I love it Like this is I, you, I love it Like this is you know. What even annoys me is you've got like the purists, the W fans that have been around for a while that are like, oh, just pay attention to the basketball. People are on the other show and, like you know, like Bartlett, who I'll see a tweet from that are like, just do the basketball. This shit I can't get enough. It's like a soap opera. I love the hatred. I love the hatred. I love the content. I love that they're going at each other. My only wish is if Reese was just a bit better, if she was in that more top 10 player range, this would be the greatest sports rivalry we've had in 15 years. That's going right now. I still love it. It's still great. I. I wish you would like. I need to see, I need flagrance. I need you know like. This is what this is the wmba I want. 

17:55 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
One of the funniest press conferences I've ever seen is when she's sitting there saying you gotta talk about me too. I'm here and I'm. I'm one of the reasons this league's popular too and it's like, well, not really. I mean, uh, but you're right, she does need to be a little bit better because she could kind of fade. But this is the only thing interesting about the wmba to me. I don't care about actually watching it. 

18:17 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No I've gotten more. I will say, like my, I was totally out on women's basketball for a long time. I've been been a little bit back in, but this, I'm eating this up Like I can't wait to see the next and I don't even care. Like to me, angel, like she's got to play it in all the way Next time. She's playing Clark and Clark goes to the rack. I want to throw a ball. I put her on the down. I want to see blood flying. 

18:43
Bill Lambert style Flop, flop. I love this and you're going to come in here and tell me I should appreciate. You know the free throw percentage, or something. 

18:51 - Flup (Co-host)
No, I actually completely agree with you. I really like this. I find it very entertaining. I actually was on Spaces a few days ago saying that the WNBA should play up this. I mean, it's effectively a race war. It's effectively a race war. 

19:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
It's effectively a race war and it's like Well, I think that's where it gets taken a bit too far. 

19:10 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
No, but like what in the NBA? What head to head in the NBA do we have? Like what's the major complaint? Is that like guys are too friendly, now Everyone's boys. Everyone hangs out on the court, no one actually hates each other. 

19:28 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
this is pure hatred and it's intoxicating the everyday playoffs are going on right now, and this is the most compelling story. This is better. This is better. This is. Let me ask you, joey, you just talked about your date you had. How do you feel about a 6'3 woman? Are you good with a woman taller than you? 

19:41 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
listen. If you do want to do a little Cameron Brink, I mean I will say Angel, listen, angel. I don't know, maybe not the face you're looking for. 

19:52 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Hey, listen, if you know me, I'm a big Angel guy. I love me some Angel Reese. I don't like her behavior sometimes. 

19:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
But hey, listen, she's. 

20:01 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
But I watch unapologetically Angel or whatever. 

20:04 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, I do. We cut you off to go and we sidetrack. Keep it rolling. 

20:08 - Flup (Co-host)
No, it's okay, I don't get the infatuation with Angel Nadeau. I'm not that big a fan of her, but you know I do love the rivalry and I never thought Angel was actually dirty, like all these Kaelin Clark fans think that she's dirty and everything like that. I think she just she, she kind of is. No, I disagree, I think she just she just hates caitlyn clark. She's jealous of her but she keeps it strictly basketball and will be as aggressive as she can on the basketball court and it's really good for the wme. I wish it didn't go as far to like the race where people didn't like it so much. Yeah, but it does get views and I think they should play it up because it's really working let me ask you, you guys follow the wmba way more than I do. 

20:50 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Is angel reese like a top 20 player? 

20:54 - Flup (Co-host)
uh, 25 to 30 ish is what I would say. A lot of people will hate on her because she she's not very efficient with her scoring, but her offensive rebounding is so off the charts. She might be the greatest offensive rebounder in the WNBA. What's her like? 

21:10 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
what would her like? Like not comparing her to the NBA, but what would her like, mitchell? 

21:14 - Flup (Co-host)
Robinson probably would be a good a Mitchell Robinson type. But if her free throws were probably a little bit better than Mitchell Robinson. 

21:21 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
So she's like poor man's, like Dennis Rodman? Yeah, that's probably. 

21:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
People kind of ham it up. But there is a case like the rebounding a lot of the offensive rebounds because she's missing right at the rim and she's right there to get her own miss. 

21:36 - Flup (Co-host)
Even if you take that apart, she's still an elite, I agree. 

21:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I'm just it goes. The arguments against Angel Reese as a rebounder go way too far. That great, I'm just, it goes the the arguments against angel reese as a rebounder go way too far. 

21:47 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
That's part of it but she also is a spectacular rebounder. Where do you put, allows her to? 

21:49 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
get those misses a lot of time uh kayla clark's a top five player uh, you can argue she's uh, she was first team all wnba last year, wasn't she this? 

21:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
is like she's gonna be the greatest player of all time, like I don't think. Like to me. It's like you already actually on that trajectory of like she's doing things that nobody else is doing. Like she's gonna break the triple double record in, like you know, season season two, um, I don't know it. Just she's got the draw and it's so perfect. She has a villain. It's just like I wish that villain was a little bit better, but it's like there is this I don't know you want that like larry bird magic johnson yeah, they're both the best and they're going at each other. 

22:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I was saying they were friendly off the court, but yeah, there was a rivalry there nefisa collier from, uh the links. 

22:34 - Flup (Co-host)
she's like the second best player right behind asia wilson, the similar like play style that caitlyn clark, or like you know, not really like a big, like like Asia Wilson, but more like an outside shooter and good at driving and good at distributing. She would be great if she was arriving they have no personality. 

22:52 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Nobody knows who these people are. 

22:53 - Flup (Co-host)
They have no personality. 

22:54 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
They're just like you know. Asia Wilson's been, like you know, top three player in the MVPs and stuff. Nobody even knows who that is and it's like so you, yeah, if asia wilson acted like angel reese, then you'd have like, yes, you would have that you know type of like okay we're gonna. I bet you this, though angel reese makes more money than all of them I, I I'm sure she's doing a lot better, especially like off the court stuff, uh, and whatever it's kind of like uh the shader sanders of uh the wmba, and it's kind of like the Shadur Sanders of the WNBA, Well speaking of way more money than most people in the NFL. 

23:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I mean still, as I say speaking of salaries here. This kind of ties into the next topic a little bit. Still on Caitlin Clark. But count Damone points out here massively plus CV for Dave Portnoy to tweet out that Kaitlyn Clark triple-double slip pregame. She very likely heard about it and in a blowout situation which materialized, would be extra motivated to hit it, particularly with him in the building. And on the salary stuff, john Mettler says that Dave Portnoy just won 4X Kaitlyn Clark's salary for the whole season on this bet and Portnoy just won 4X Caitlin Clark's salary for the whole season on this bet. And Portnoy showed tickets to ticket $25,000 to win $350,000 on Caitlin Clark to win a triple-double on DraftKings. 

24:14
Kind of rude but an unfortunate reality. But Joey Kanish, you said this in a tweet. Just had a conversation an hour ago with somebody about how DK won't take more than $250 from anybody with a pulse at any location these days. But good to see the DraftKings partner VIP limits are still intact. Yes, what I wanted to kind of ask do you guys actually think a player like Kaitlin Clark would be aware first of all of a Dave Portnoy bet slip pregame and then in the game think, okay, I'm going to try and get a triple-double. Do you think that's actually something that could cross her mind? Because I don't really think so. 

24:54 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
I mean who really goes to them games? I mean, he's a pretty big deal. 

24:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
People pay. Kaylin Clark's a popular figure, people go anyways. 

25:07 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So one. They have a pre-existing relationship. Like she does some stuff with barstool, um, she's known pretty well. I think he saw he, like he was talking her pre-game, like he was there early, he had the floor seats. I think they probably went over and said something my guess now do. I think she went out and got the triple-double for that. No, but I think when she was one rebound away as Count kind of alluded to that, I'm pretty sure either word got to her. She knew like I need one more rebound for a triple-double and then can go out and get it. 

25:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That to me, isn't. Anybody does that. It doesn't matter if there's somebody with a backcourt side. 

25:48 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Like any basketball player, is a rebound away. That side of it we're like she just wanted to get the triple double anyway. That's fair. Maybe to make more money I don't know. 

25:52 - Flup (Co-host)
But yeah, come on guys, this is ridiculous. I mean, what is everyone a conspiracy theory? You just, you just said that she might break the triple double record in year two. That means triple triple-doubles are very, very rare and getting one rebound is pretty easy to do in the WNBA. So even if you're up rather than resting, she should go out and get it. And I don't think it would matter at all if Portnoy had zero dollars or about a million dollars on it and also for what it's worth. The 4X salary thing was also ridiculous. She probably makes mid-seven figures a year in advertisements. 

26:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
She also has a 28 million dollar nike shoe deal she would make a lot more money, a lot more than just her wnb. 

26:37 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Sorry, you're right I would almost guarantee okay that he told her about this bet. 

26:44 - Flup (Co-host)
I don't think so. I've been around him many times. 

26:48 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Hold on, I've been around him many times gambling. I mean, that's his whole shtick. I mean a lot of the time at games like this. I'm sure they were talking hey, you know, I got $25,000. I need a triple. It's not like he said, hey, go get it from me, but I'm sure she knew about it. Did it influence her? No, what'd she get out of it? 

27:07 - Flup (Co-host)
Okay, Maybe she knows about it, but I don't think it influences her, okay. 

27:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I think that's fair. That's fair. I don't think she cared, I just think and sorry, basketball player wants a triple double and is really close. 

27:30 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So they're also let me put a bow on this, because we're not gonna but they're not a sponsor of the show. So you know, and they probably won't ever be, I'm fucking sick of draft kings like I've had enough, like I don't care if moretto's squirming right now because we'll never get it. 

27:38
I can't. They don't take a bet anywhere at any location anymore. It's impossible to get like anything that and they'll give people like this, the dk partners and that to look like they're a real book. Um, I'm sorry, it's been getting real just gonna say skill issue. 

27:58
It's gotten real mickey mouse over there. I'm telling you fluff and I'm not happy about it. Uh, and they still want to, like I don't know, open some markets and think they're relevant. So, uh, hey, I'm a fan to a guy through and through great, great segue into our next topic, because it's all about limits. 

28:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
It's in particular about the limits by the wyoming gaming commission at fair play gov says wyoming opens and shuts its investigation on limited bets, citing examples, three examples of cheating by limiting betters and inferring the. There are several more. They throw shade at Spanky and at betters voice here to guessing the agent did not consult with them about what sports books told them, obviously fired up some debates. Captain Jack Andrews, as the CEO of Unabated high up with Unabated anyways says he was very upset about this. Says seriously, folks read this. We're powerless. These guys are so in the pocket of operators. Time to stop playing nice. Regulators need to be put out of business. And Alex at Bartlett157 says reminder that if you're a profitable better, your mandatory minimums are likely against your best interest. Also, 1% of betters being limited seems fair. That was something that was mentioned within the article posted by not article, but in the report by the Wyoming Gaming Commission. But Alex says we live in an echo chamber and for as dumb as gambling twitter has gotten, most are still more advanced than the average better. And then, finally, captain jack andrews continues says how you view the topic of limiting sharp bettors is similar to the topic of responsible gambling. It is a pro. It's a problem that affects a small percentage of bettors. Cynics say they brought this on themselves. Sympathizers say more protections should be in place. So he's basically comparing limiting sharp bettors to the topic of responsible gaming, which Kirk Evans was very upset about. 

29:54
He's on the Tuesday show. He says equating responsible gaming and limiting is a total false equivalency. The harm of limiting sharp bettors is that they can't earn from betting something that they are not owed. The harm of no sharp bettors is that they can't earn from betting something that they are not owed. The harm of no responsible gaming is an addiction that ruins people's lives. Please stop with this nonsense Because again, captain Chuck Andrews says if you're against fundamental fairness, you should be in favor of unfettered corporation profiteering. Let's start with you. Flop on this one. How do you feel about these conversations around limiting? Because Kirk Evans points out and he said it before that you're not owed anything by the sports book and in a way, you need people to lose in order to be able to win as a sports better. So without these limits in place, sports would get crushed and this industry wouldn't exist. What's your take on all this? 

30:43 - Flup (Co-host)
Yeah. So Kirk doesn't have a lot of great takes, but he nailed this one. He was spot on. You are not owed limits. We're not as sharps bettors as winning bettors. We're not owed survival or ways to earn. You got to figure out ways around it. The companies are out here trying to maximize their profits. 

31:02
I have no issue with them. Limiting Additionally to equate responsible gambling with limiting is ludicrous. What I've seen some of these sportsbooks do to people with clear responsible gambling issues and how they shove it under the rug is ludicrous and criminal. To say that what they're doing by limiting bettors is just as bad is an insult to the real problems and the real issues that underlie. There needs to be more seriousness with responsible gambling. Some of these books can clearly identify when someone has a real issue and a real addiction and they let them bet everything and they let them go broke. That I have no problem criticizing. Let them go broke that I have no problem criticizing. But the limits what are we doing here? And I also agree with Alex completely If we have universal limits, that will hurt. I know it'll hurt my earn. For sure it won't hurt every Sharpe's earn. Some Sharpe's earns will get better. So it's kind of key to see who's backing which. But I know for myself and I'm guessing for you as well, joey. 

32:05 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It would hurt both of our earns yeah, I think that that big picture um it what happens then it just it takes away a ton of markets. I think is your most books reaction there where we're not going to offer you know uh, a lot of like the in the major books out there offer you know a thousand different markets on a certain game or something. Um, if you got universal limit like I'm not offering you know over under turnovers, over you know sdp, you know eight thousand different ways, uh, if I gotta give universal limits, so I think that's a big problem. The only credit I will get is I will say, in the most um, gaming interactions I've had with gaming or people I've seen that I've known have dealt with gaming, people have absolutely no idea. 

32:52
This guy at least one, he knows who Spanky is. He seemed to at least have a clue of what he was talking about and give some response. Do I think it's over? I guess I'm kind of with you Flup, like the whole betters voice thing. I don't know if the core result is really one, if it's even really realistically obtainable, or two if it, if it adds any benefit to the and that's not to take away. I know I know those guys, you know they care about the industry. They've been in a long time and all that. But this just seems like I don't you're kind of yelling at clouds. Like the operators have the power, they have the lobbyists on the control that they've got the commit. 

33:38 - Flup (Co-host)
Like we just don't see this ever like having any impact whatsoever, like any tangible, realistic impact yeah, and we should really be focused on is the issues that, like plus e analytics, what he had to go through with Caesar. That is criminal and that should be fought for, because that is just Caesar's stealing. There's no other way that everyone should back him. It doesn't matter that he bet in you know an insignificant amount of money. 

34:07 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That is theft and that should have been reaction uh, that guy who the the kid, uh something rusty or a Tommy maybe that went through and got all his kiosk stuff voided. That to me is, yeah, much worse than doing, than taking it. It's almost like if you had a called Better's Voice was a firm and they would handle these on a case by case basis around when books actually get out of line, as opposed to this universal limits stance. 

34:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
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36:13
Let's circle back to you everybody. We're going to be reading a few comments from the previous episode, as always. If you do find something interesting or something you disagree with, or you just kind of want to get any of your thoughts out there, make sure you comment something down below and we feature some of the best ones in the next week's episode. The first one comes from at ZRG323 says only a Canadian would think someone saying this is ridiculous is being overly rude. This is in reaction to last week. We covered the BetMGM customer service, where there was a bet who was upset about how the customer service handled it, which I thought they handled it. 

36:48
As a Canadian, I thought they handled the customer service was just doing their job, handled the customer service was just doing their job. And then the other person got upset with them just doing their job and they gave that attitude back to the customer Kind of a week later here. But, kanish, did you have a chance to look on it, like, what were your thoughts? Who do you think was on the right side of that? 

37:10 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I love and this is I know this can't be the way it is. I love when customer service people shove it back at a customer. Thank you. 

37:18 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I absolutely love it. 

37:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
And I know sometimes, you know, like I love when a customer service agent is just in like YOLO mode where it's like I hate this job, I don't care, I'm just going to give it back to you. I know from a career standpoint it's probably not the smart way to play it. 

37:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
But yeah, I'm not. I mean respectfully, I don't think anybody hopes to build a career in customer service. That's just kind of a pay the bill sort of job I would think I, I mean, I'll agree here. 

37:45 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
I spoke to an irs agent. I was on the hold for like an hour and a half. This guy comes on the phone and he's literally telling me hey, do this, do that, you'll be fine. Like I like when they're like a little bit more personable, they're willing to like give you a loophole or you know, because, again, most times, at least in america, we're not even taught, like there's people in other countries. It's I like the personable, even if they're a little rude yeah, uh, next comment fluff, you're that. 

38:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You're the target of two comments here, by the way, first of which by rob underscore. Pazola says flop down so bad from calves that it looks like he sold the victorian mansion and moved into madame tussauds. Uh, you're back in the victorian mansion today, but you know what's the story on that yeah, so that's really. 

38:31 - Flup (Co-host)
I was able to move back because the thunder won, so I can afford it, but, in all seriousness, this is just all. My wife, my wife um, works uh a nine to five and she needs the desk here and it was. She was running a little bit late, so I got um. As, as the new head pointed out, she wears the pants the relationship so I got booted back to the um, our bedroom, and it looks a little bit shittier there. 

38:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
So that's, that's all it is uh, next to this, I love, I love this sequence of comics from at jwd2592. He really goes through a journey here. So time stamps 559 classic example of someone who thinks they know a lot but really couldn't know less. Uh, flup won one Circus Survivor and it got to his head. Enjoy that Cavs and Celtics loss. Uh, that was in reaction to you saying the lottery was not rigged, essentially. But then, further down the episode, he says with that being said, flup with an absolute, I guess, dart or something. Uh, target, whatever it is, at 24 10. This was you commenting. 

39:39
Okay, bullseye, that's it, sorry, yeah absolutely go again um, says dv this was when you said dv against pinnacle. Uh, the person was dv against pinnacle. It is in a downswing and it's upset about it then gets further into the episode and it says fluff with another bullseye at 52, 34, at 53, 10 this is when you're commenting on jay far too nice uh who you said had an edge and lost it. So sorry, the episode didn't like you, but the further they got, hey, this, this guy might be growing on me. Uh, how do you? How do you feel about this? 

40:12 - Flup (Co-host)
well, he had another great comment which was like challenge flap not grin for five minutes, mission impossible. And yeah, and I and I was reading. I was watching over the episode again and I completely agree with him there. I think everything he said is pretty fair. I mean, I have some good takes, I have some bad takes that I hope you don't judge me on my. You know numerous bad takes and just look at the overall picture all right, let's get to the next segment here. 

40:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Okay, I I told them before the show started, but I all, but I'll let the viewers know here I'm going to absolutely dominate the dialogue of this segment because it centers largely around me. But, as in once again in relation to matt Zilbert, he's been at the forefront of some drama recently and I have been getting just constant shit from him on Twitter, so I need to say my piece here. If you don't know who Matt Zilbert is, we've covered him a lot on this show, but he has a presence on gambling Twitter, not for being a gambler, that's his claim to fame, to fame, we'll call it. Where Zilbert really has made his reputation is in his constant, unprompted, obsessive harassment of other people on the app, constantly appearing in their mentions without reason, like, for example, early this year he tweeted at Eric Eager asking him what his documented record was for the season. Eric Eager, who is the VP of analytics with the Carolina Panthers. He tweeted at eric eager, ask him what his documented record was for the season. Eric eager, who is the vp of analytics with the carolina panthers what the hell is he doing? 

41:42
And then in these recent weeks, he's been the source of drama. In many ways, some of it maybe not his fault, but a lot of it absolutely is his fault and recently, as I said, I've been on the end of the relentless and obsessive barrage of online targeting for Matt Zilber for criticizing him on this show for his behavior and tactics online, just like this and sure, in retaliation to this show, going out. The replies are fair because he disagrees with me. But to reply like that under this dumb photo of me eating spaghetti, this is like I lost a bet on the tuesday show. I had to post a grp win style selfie with food. I ended up doing it with crab gravy, which jeff nadeau correctly pointed out. Gravy meant tomato sauce, so I made spaghetti and put it on, and he was going at me. Under this tweet he said hey, jacob the Giant, any comment on the latest 2-0 day? And 64% season, 64% season, 64% season, 64% season Hashtag circle back, hashtag, return fire hashtag, chopping block and then cc'd and tagged all of you guys and everybody on the Tuesday crew as well. Yeah, this is really dumb, according to him. 

43:00
In many ways, I lie on the show about him and fail to acknowledge the facts. So let me take more time here to acknowledge the facts. What he covets the most is his documented record. People use their documented record as a source of credibility, but for Zilber it is the opposite Fact. He has literally omitted an entire season from his MLB betting from his documented record because of how bad of a season it was. He literally just does not count it. If you go to his Twitter bio, he will have like 2013 to 2019, and then or it's like 2013 to 2020, then no 2021, and then 2022 to 2024. He's completely omitted it from his record. How can it be your documented record when you take it a full season? 

43:45
Another fact when giving out picks, he often gives out these picks at prices that do not exist to make his record look better. Including, for example, the article which was alleged to have been edited to provide a record look better. Including, for example, the article which was alleged to have been edited to provide a more favorable result. Another fact an article he posted on Deadspin was edited after the outcome of a game, factually proven. The article was edited after midnight, after the game was completed and quickly. On Deadspin, another fact he got fired by them and pretends he wasn't. I'll subjectively guess it's because they were sick of his bullshit and how bad it made the company look. But if Deadspin thinks you're making their company look bad, you must be a really special case, because it takes some doing to make Deadspin look even worse than they already do in 2025. 

44:31
Now, on the article that was edited, I'll be honest we cannot 100% confirm it as a fact that it was edited to change the pick to give him more favorable result. He had an under bet, which he got crushed on, but the game got rained out like it's soared over. But since it got rained out in the ninth inning, some books would void it and some wouldn't. He had placed his bet at a book that would not void it and would treat it as a loss because, like the outcome had already been identified that it had gone over. But the article was edited and we have a lot of proof to say so. It was edited to a book that would give him a push and also it was edited to a price that did not exist when the article came out. Again, though we are not 1000% certain on this, we have been able, I would say, to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, especially because he is unwilling to provide evidence that it wasn't edited. 

45:22
Speaking of proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a terminology he's gotten really used to lately, because another fact Matt Zilbert is on trial for stalking in the fourth degree Now. Subjectively, to me it's no surprise he's facing such a charge. Like I mentioned, he has a trend of constant, obsessive harassment of people online and it would not surprise me if he brought this behavior in real life. That's just my opinion. We'll have to wait and see on the outcome of the case. 

45:49
Now this is where we actually get to the segment here. I know I'm talking a lot, but he's been spamming my public mentions. He has been spamming Rob Pizzola's DMs behind the scenes, saying he will not stop unless I start telling the truth. So here's all the truth. The only thing he believes gives him any credibility is his pics and documented records, which we have showcased many times is full of shit. And then let's go back to the pasta photo now, because this is where it got really good in the last week. He doesn't follow me anymore. I never followed him, but he doesn't follow me anymore. So two things piqued my curiosity about this, because this is where it turned into a fatal mistake, this targeting to me. 

46:30
I always wondered how he was able to so quickly reply to so many of my tweets that, even though he doesn't follow me, because, like I would tweet and then minutes later he would reply with same old like this. And I was wondering if he doesn't follow me, how is he able to do this like? Is he constantly searching my profile? Then there was another thing that was off to me. Nobody likes silver. Nobody likes him. He has name in the space because of how much people hate him or because they think it's funny how unaware he is that he is the butt of the joke in everything that he does. 

47:01
So in the long thread of replies that would ensue under my tweets, many people would have come to my defense, which I appreciate from you guys. But he had a lot of tweets in the reply threads. I don't really engage him but, like I said, because, like I said last week, how can I like use logic to talk to somebody who doesn't use logic? To begin with, it's a complete waste of time. But I noticed in the replies that there's so many tweets that had like three or four likes and I thought who the is liking this stuff? 

47:27
That's when the big mistake happened. So I'll read out the tweet here he said on a reply to somebody. He said sure, bud, you're one of the many countless anonymous loser trolls in here that follow my plays every day, and would you look at that. Another two, no day, another winning streak, another excellent week, another excellent month and another excellent season ongoing. Keep sucking it. The problem was I mean, I mean, this seems like a pretty on brand zilbert reply same language, language, same tone, same everything. But the problem was this was tweeted by Dave D at Dooser 1145 and then quickly deleted, and then right after that, this account was made private. So that's when it all came together. Zilbert had exposed his burner. 

48:11 - Flup (Co-host)
He's been that account deleted, by the way. 

48:12 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
What's? 

48:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
that that account's been removed, by the way. What's that? 

48:15 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
That account's been removed from Twitter. 

48:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, it got deleted right away. Thankfully, in my mentions it stayed, so I was able to screenshot it because I figured it out right away. He's using burners to follow me and notify him when I tweet and he was so excited to tell me about his made-up bullshit MLB record under a fucking photo of me eating spaghetti that he forgot to switch accounts and I was able to screenshot it, thankfully, to prove it. Um, the Zilber content's tired. I'm sorry. 

48:45
I've talked a lot here but, like I, I had to lay it all out because I'm so sick of this saga. Hopefully I don't have to discuss it anymore because, like it, it's just it's it's gone. We've this. We've done too much of this saga. Hopefully I don't have to discuss it anymore because, like it's just, it's gone. We've done too much of this. But I can't wait now for the obsessive harassment that I mentioned after this goes up, because that's the only thing he's actually good at doing. So sorry, guys, I talked a lot there, but on the Zilbert saga here fake accounts this has got to be a pretty bad look we also did find that. 

49:17 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Didn't he have an account on the comment section on these videos of matt zilbert super? I don't know it. 

49:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
It could be some that I will conceive might be somebody who's pretending to be zilbert well, here's what I'll say, and he might not be happy with me either. 

49:30 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
After this, I'm done with this guy. I unf unfollowed him. I've had it Like I'm so tired of this, the constant like I can't wait for him to go on a losing streak so he can explain how he's not got this great record anymore. You're just a constant calling people little dude and like trying to like one-up people. I really had an issue with some of his behavior On Elf Spaces, where he was just come on with some big news and he's always touting this big news bullshit. And I'm going to tell you right now he is getting money out of Elf. I know that. I know he is. That little scoundrel is getting money Because he thinks he's big enough to charge for Appearances and, for whatever reason, elf still Pays him. This latest little stunt by him with this fake account. I'm done with him. I've had it. See you later. 

50:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Well, it all goes back to who started this saga again, and it was the CEO of the Hammer, rob Pozzola, bringing Zilbo back from the grave and then standing by him like a favorite son. 

50:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
He just wants what's best for the industry. 

50:38 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That's all that's it. Just wanted to clean up the industry documented record. It's all legit. Hashtag free Zilbo. I don't know. Some people are saying Rob paid for his lawyer. Rob's been at some of the courtroom. I can't confirm or deny that. I just know that he's been a Zilbo guy Through and through and I hope it doesn't cause any problems Between you two, you and Rob going forward that he's always been in his corner. 

51:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Rob is starting to get some shit from Zilbert as well, and first Rob will be unhappy about this being said right now. 

51:14 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Real quick. The result of his court case is next week, by the way. He better hope that it goes favorable for him, because he is not going to hear the end of it if it doesn't like I said. 

51:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I don't know what's going to happen, but it wasn't a surprise when I got sent that dm showcasing that screenshot. Anyways, rob's not gonna be happy with this segment. Like it just said, rob was also very unhappy with silver, so I won't dive in because I think tuesday rob is going to have a lot to say about silver. 

51:44 - Flup (Co-host)
Yeah, we'll see I just want to add I used to be like thinking silver was like whatever, like I didn't really care too much. I thought he was a little weirder out there, but I thought some of the bullying on zilbert was overboard. But now I I agree with you, nudu I had to mute him. This is brutal. This is getting. I can't stand every post that he he tweets about the circle back or the hammer. I get tagged in. Now I don't care anymore. I'm over it. 

52:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
That's stupid yeah, I, I mean I, I, yeah. I thought I was over it. Evidently I wasn't, because this was too good. It was the same day the Leafs lost game seven, so it really softened the blow. I was in a really shit mood because the Leafs lost, but then I got this gift of the career. 

52:27 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
He is also just. It just never stops. He always wants to talk about himself until something happens to him he doesn't want to talk about, and it's. He's a lot like another moron we're going to talk about here in a second. They're never wrong, they never do anything bad, they're all just being ganged up on. Yeah, I've had it with some of these guys. 

52:52 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
All right Enough on him, let's move on. We have Kelly in Vegas. A lot of people are talking about her documented betting records, including GRP, who said no need, she's going to be making her picks on BetSweats Weekly. I'll be documenting her picks in my notebook. Kelly in Vegas quote tweets it and says hey, george, you can just follow me on Picket Sports, no need to overcomplicate things. So Dick underscore Johnson six, nine, six says your picket wins at 45% and you're down 20 units. So Kelly showcases hey, how about this? Her 2025 record? She's up 25 units, 10% ROI. 

53:31
But spin Spencer correctly reports that the public picket going back to August 29th 2024 is a documented record of 149, 169 and two 45.48 percent win rate, which was pointed out correctly by Dick Johnson, and she is down 17.9 units. So she just went to a shorter sample size to help her out On this topic. A lot of people were drumming up a bit of controversy about it because they're making fun of her bad record and some people were saying well, at least she's sharing this record publicly, but doing it on picket like, ah, my God, I, I like I've seen people who track on pickett, who use some very malicious tactics to make themselves look a lot better. But let's start with you fluff. What were your take on? 

54:21 - Flup (Co-host)
all this I'd like to pass it to nadu. I think he has some. I know he loves when women talk sports and gambling, so I would love to see what he says. 

54:28 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
To say first, well, I listen, I I've had a. I've had a fair dare, uh fell, dear. Fair deal of love and hate with Kelly Right now. I have no issue with Kelly. I actually think she's one of the more tolerable women. She has been doing this a long time. I'll give her that she's kind of an OG, at least in the woman's world, and she's probably the only person I can put up with that does talk sports. 

54:52
This is kind of a rough look, I think. If you're going to track, is it easy to show a record when you had a bad football season or whatever? No, but you got to do it. It's almost like this year I had a great season until the tournament came and I was horrific. It is what it is. It wasn't a great look. One thing we also realized Kelly should know she's been on Twitter a long time. People are going to figure this out. You're going to have the Spinfluencers and the GRPs. I will say I'm kind of done with GRP as well. I've kind of been tired of this shtick as well. Went on a little too long. But yeah, it wasn't a good look for Kelly. 

55:31 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So how did it just? Did she just show the public facing record? How did spin influencers, uh see so so I'm. 

55:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I I'm not suggesting she, I'm not making a claim, she's hiding stuff in the record. I'm saying on picket, you can do that. Picket is not the be all end, all of track that screenshot you have of being up plus 25 units she showed 2025. 

55:57
This is her 2025, but her all-time record on picket going back to august 29th 2024 is correctly reported as down uh down, 18 units, 45 win rate. I'm not suggesting she's hiding plays. I am saying you can hide plays on picket. Let's say you bet it for a friend. Let's say you lost a bet, but maybe your friend, you bet it on their behalf. You're able to do that on picket. You're able to say bet this for a friend, so it doesn't count towards your own record. 

56:27 - Flup (Co-host)
So yes, I didn't even know you could do that. That's ridiculous. What the hell. 

56:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, that's ridiculous. What the hell? Yeah, that's weird. There was a uh back in the the bet stamp days. There was an individual who had a record on bet stamp who was losing very much on their publicly tracked uh bets which, by the way, you cannot edit those on bet stamp like you make a verified bet, that's it and asked us behind the scenes to delete some of the plays, which we obviously refused to do, and then decided to leave bed stamp because there was an issue with the app and our track was that picket we'll never know. 

57:06 - Flup (Co-host)
Well, I just want to say I can't trust. I know betstamp's very reputable, but I can't trust anything over grp's notebook. That has to be the gold standard of tracking. 

57:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
What is he gonna do erase? It was gonna cross it out exactly that is there forever. 

57:22 - Flup (Co-host)
That's the gold standard of tracking. But what I don't understand is these the content creators like kelly and vegas want to just pull a trend. Just own the fact that you're losing. If you want to pretend to be an expert, you've got to have expert results. Trent is fully embracing the fact that he's losing and no one seems to care. And his followers? 

57:41 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
didn't grow, and he's one of the most popular content creators in the space. 

57:45 - Flup (Co-host)
Exactly. Look, she's a woman who gives her a massive edge up. Why not just own the fact that you're losing? 

57:53 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
This happens far too much in this business and these people wonder why their product slowly declines. And this goes on all over the place. Whether it's lying about your record or I'm somewhat in the prison, john right, and there's a lot of those people. There'll be guys that come on and say they did this and they did that and then we find out they didn't do that. Like it completely destroys any product that you have. I agree with you wholeheartedly. People don't care. This is gambling. The only people they're gonna care that you lose these fucking idiots. So we don't care what they think. Anyway, I don't get it. This is a bad look for kelly and I think she probably knows that now. But the one thing I will say on grp I mean, do we really trust him taking records of a woman's picks as soon as Kelly says something good to him? Like hey, grp, you know it's in the notebook. 

58:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You can't cross it out in the notebook. If he writes down the bet, that's the bet. 

58:45 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
When it comes to women, he cannot be trusted. He has said far weird things Well here's an example. 

58:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
He said Kelly in Vegas should go back to being a bottle service waitress. At least that's an honest profession, unlike those picks that the wager talk pushes. So I agree with you, George. A very large blemish on him as an individual is his treatment of women in this space. 

59:09 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Attractive women. I do agree, yeah. 

59:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Yeah, unless it's. Oh, who did he? Was it a man advance? He was trying to get to have simon apple pancakes with him. That was brutal. Was it like 10 in the morning? He's tweeting. I wish you were having the pancakes with me right now. Oh boy, all right, uh, let's move on. 

59:30
Last, uh, last full scale segment on the show today is about Manda Library. Nadeau alluded to this earlier, but the real facts, prominent in the sports gambling space online said at approximately the 4-hour and 41-minute mark of this episode, manda Library is confronted about $3,000 that he owes to Tez, does it? Library makes lame excuse after lame excuse as to why he doesn't owe the money, but the evidence is crystal clear that Tez was stiffed by Library. Below is the documentation verifying the wagers made by Tez on behalf of Library. Since they lost, library has refused to pay. 

01:00:05
Listen for yourself and weigh in. If you hear anything you think justifies Library's position, please let me know and I will address it. In the meantime, I suggest that. Suggest that library pays a 3k and tries to salvage what is left of his reputation, which I personally would say there's. There's nothing left to salvage. But here are some of the screenshots. These two were posted by fats, but in the reply there was this. One here would showcase uh man, library acknowledging the fact that he owes this money. He says need some time, I'll pay soon and the rest by the first may 1st. I really did overextend and lost a lot on that one. Honestly, I'm 40k in the hole still, uh. And then there's this screenshot that says hey, bro, can I get the rest of that money today because it's may 1st, the day that library himself said he would pay and library says no and then blocks him that's a wild response. 

01:01:03
No just no and then blocks him. Uh, yeah, no, do you? You, you take off on this one well listen. 

01:01:09 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
um, this guy I I'm I'm gonna say it now is the most vile guy in gambling Twitter. There's nobody below this guy. He is at the level of I don't even want to talk about he, I mean. It also further shows us he's broke. I mean we talked about it weeks ago with the $1,500 fight thing. I mean not that we didn't know it, but I at least thought maybe, you know, maybe there were times where he just maybe said he bet a little bit less than he did, or whatever. He straight up broke. 

01:01:41
Talking about the first, the only people that talk about getting money on the first are fucking social security recipients. When I used to work at the bank, everybody on the first came in and we didn't see him for the rest of the month until that $757 came in. That's, who worries about money on the first man in the library? Fucking social security recipients that haven't saved any motherfucking money. Number two this guy is a professional shit bag. At the level of everything he does. He has to wiggle his way out of it somehow. We have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. He admitted to it multiple times. I don't know what he's talking about. I don't know. That's not me, that's somebody else. This is another guy. I'm done with. Anybody that platforms. This guy should be thrown in with him, because you know what's up with him. It's not once, it's not twice, it's like 10 times now in the last three months. 

01:02:34
Someone has come out of the woodwork and says he owes them money and then he sits there in these spaces and if he's not talking, he's putting these emojis up. Everybody's against him. We're just talking about it because we need shit to talk about. Man of the library, you're a fucking loser. Nobody needs you for shit. We don't need you. You for shit, we don't need you. I don't need you. Kanish don't need you. Flop don't need you. Neither does Jacob. Nobody needs you. We just like to talk about your fucking bullshit time and time again. Fuck you and the fucking horse you rode in on motherfucker. 

01:03:04 - Flup (Co-host)
Is this different than the 3K debt-ish, that Storm and his other friends? No, it's totally different. Another person, oh my God, who? 

01:03:14 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
by the way, is a friend of his. 

01:03:22 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
This guy's supposedly a close friend of his. Listen, I think you nailed it. The only thing I'll add is if you are like getting a bet, first of all, any bet that man of the library is going to send you has no edge. There is no. This idiot's not going to know anything. People are like, oh, ufc, origination, no, that I. The only thing I'll take a little uh grievance with is if you're getting down a bet for man the library like vouching for him, thinking he's going to pay, I mean what needs to be said or proven at this point? The guy's been doing this for like a decade or plus or something like that. Yeah, I wouldn't loan this guy a dollar if he was up there and I wouldn't give him a dollar and think he would pay me back. But, um, he's just got, he's got no moral compass, any of that stuff. 

01:04:18 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Don't do business with this man and one other thing that he has had backfire on him completely is he thinks that because he's on these shows, he's now powerful enough to get through this bad press and it's. It's okay, I'm a content creator now I can get through this. No offense to you, man in the library, I could get through this, not you, we're not that interesting. 

01:04:41 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
This also got real. We don't have it all here, but it got real cringe where, like the omar show, paid the guy something the debt for, like to try, and I don't know, get some, and then someone else in Fats is trying to collect it and going at home and they're like it's this circle of like who actually owes the $3K now. So I mean that's, I mean we're getting blood from a stone here. If anybody thinks they're seeing a dollar from man in the library, I got some uh, you know nice, uh ocean property here in michigan to sell you so. 

01:05:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
So uh, fats says this to end it. He says based on these messages between man in the library and tez, does it, it does. It seems like it's going to be a while before library completes the purchase of the 14 million dollar island he was planning to buy. As of now, in order to be able to purchase the island, he would have to stiff an additional 4,666 people for 3k as well. Uh, good way to end it off there I wouldn't put that past him no, I, I, I was gonna, I was gonna agree with you. 

01:05:43
Kanish, there I agree with you because I was gonna say like, like, why is anybody even taking that anymore? But let's move on. Now we have the chopping block. Few things that don't require full segments but we can dive into a little bit over here, uh, with the chopping block. So first up we have from moneybag yo get to the act, get to the window, says I joke around a lot here, but this post is a little more serious. Over the past, I'd say six months, three betters I would talk to regularly have gone broke. The number one thing you can do as a better is stay in your lane, never care how much someone else bets. Anybody here have experienced seeing people go broke to gambling, even like what you would think are sharper betters going broke to gambling. 

01:06:30 - Flup (Co-host)
Yeah, absolutely. I mean it happened to me earlier in my career when I wasn't as proper with bankroll management. 

01:06:38 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I still you mean like a week ago with the Cavs, you mean earlier. 

01:06:44 - Flup (Co-host)
You meant some time, five years ago, a few years ago, the Cavs would be number two. For me that's number two time. But look, as long as you stick to your proper Kelly bankroll and you have sizing responsibly and you manage downswings, you shouldn't go broke. This is a very good saying from Get the Money. 

01:07:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You can in this business you cannot. I would equate it to being in sales, where there will be times where you're in sales, where things are really good but you cannot then elevate your lifestyle to be living at that level three months, a great six months, but then if I try and like, oh, I'm going to take out and I'm going to buy a house and buy a car and buy all this stuff, or like, live at that level when things come down as they will due to variance, due to account loss, due to thing, you're going to go through swings, then all of a sudden you're in trouble and I think people don't always prepare themselves for the changing dynamics. They think it's always going to be this good. I remember very, very like it was. Yesterday. 

01:07:56
There was a PPH book called Metallic and some years ago I had so many I had at least on hand at the time at least 50 metallics, and overnight, one week they said they basically did like a mass shutdown, like we're not taking action anymore, and then we tried to restart again. They did it again the next week and so all of my earn from those 50 metallics that I was used to, you know at least. I mean we're. You're talking, you know you, you turn over, you know even five, ten percent and fifty metallics per week. It was, at least you know, five thousand. All of that was gone in one week. 

01:08:33
And if you're living at that level and you're not ready to, you know, take that cushion. Things can change in a heartbeat and I think you see that, whether it be loss of accounts, overbetting, as Flop said, mismanaged your bankroll, things can change. That change very quickly. And if you're not, you can be a great people I've had, you can be a very talented. I know there's been some people that Rob has interviewed that you know with things were going well, they were growing, growing, growing, and then you know, within three and six months, the guy's in witness production. So yeah, it happens. It happens in this industry. 

01:09:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Next one we have here is from you, Kanish. You said I loved Jim Ursae, who was the former Colts owner who passed away this week. I loved Jim Ursae actually used Twitter and said crazy shit at times. Loved he didn't hide from his addictions or make excuses. I know he battled a ton of demons. In a world where almost every NFL owner is a mega rich, aloof billionaire, Ursa actually felt like one of us. Yeah, Do you want to elaborate on that a little bit for us? 

01:09:36 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, listen, I know people will say like, yes, he was like a rich kid, but he was kind of, you know, like he was a bit of a degen. He battled alcohol and it just he would like tweet real things. He was always a big fan of his team. He just felt like a real person where a lot of these NFL owners especially now you have to be so mega rich to even get involved with these teams it's usually like an investment conglomerate or someone that, like you, would never, ever see. He just acted real. He acted authentic. You know we always talk about it. This network is authenticity. He was authentic. He had plenty of flaws but he was at least authentic. He's very charitable. I know he had me bagged. 

01:10:24
Listen, the guy liked himself some, some alcohol, some pills or whatever else he could get his hands on a bit too much. Um, also, I can this. I cannot believe it was only 65. If you would have told me yesterday he was 78, I would have believed you. I cannot believe it. That was a hard 65. That man he did. He lived about 130 real years. 

01:10:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
He lived 78 years at least in those 65. Yeah, yeah. 

01:10:44 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
But I enjoyed him. I enjoyed him as part of the league, will miss his, I will say, will say back in, like you know, the original twitter days he was. He was. There's some old uh ursa tweets. He kind of went away from that. 

01:11:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You know, the past few years he got older but yeah, there was a moment where he was uh, he was all over it the early twitter days were just people would say what they're doing right now, would just tweet anything. 

01:11:12 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
A couple of things. I thank Joey Kanish for pointing this out because in a world where, again, I don't think I can name one owner that was very similar to him Look, he was a guy who was again a rock band. He was like a weightlifter at one point. I also hate the whole, like he's a rich kid thing. No offense, I don't know if people know this. You can't pick who family you're born into. Um, and no offense. Uh, I'm not saying I was or wasn't, but if I was born into money I would absolutely make it well known. Yeah, I know you're jealous of me. What do you want me to do about it? Um, but I think his family's riches came from like they had like a heating and air conditioning company that like got really big and everything. But yeah, I liked her. It's a good point by you. That was a rough 65, man. It seemed like he had been through a lot. I'm guessing in the 80s he had a fun time 70s, 80s, 80s, 90s. 

01:12:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Rest in peace to him. Next topic we have Jeff Benson kind of exposing GRP ahead of BetBash GRP. Cold DM Jeff Benson and said can you help out, help me out with a hotel during BetBash 5. And Benson airs it out and says ah, would you look at that, dms? You knew you were getting for $1,000. Yes, of course, george. Let me book you your airfare while we're at it. 

01:12:31 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
This is what I'm talking about. This is where I get tired of this guy. You know it's like, yeah, why don't you ask him to contribute to your 401k and pay your mom's mortgage for the next five years? And you know it's always a handout. You know, yeah. 

01:12:49 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
And I need Feinberg. I have to get when Feinberg does his uh summer tour here that'll be broadcast on this network with jim. What has george done for income for like the last 40 years? It's a great point actually well, I would love to know if, like, we will find out he held a job like what does he do right now? Like, is he like you? Know, in line next to man of library and the first for, like his mom's old security check. 

01:13:15 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
No, I think. I think it's simply. I think he probably has. I'm sure his mother did, okay, his family, he doesn't pay rent, he doesn't have a mortgage payment. He, he gets all his food basically to cook for him or he really has to come up. 

01:13:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
He's at restaurants like three times a day. He's gotta have some money that's. That's expensive, he's not paying for you know bills and stuff, joey. 

01:13:36 - Flup (Co-host)
You might not realize this, but you know grp is a very well established and respected nfl better. I also want to say I appreciate jeff benson for not leaking my tweets, because I also asked for a free hotel room for bed. 

01:13:57 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Well, I think the only people I've ever heard him ask for stuff were grp bj covers and man of the shit bag. So I mean, that's the level of people doing this. No offense. 

01:14:14 - Flup (Co-host)
I feel ashamed about asking, but. I thought I'd do some volume there. Maybe he'll give me something. You know every edge I can get. 

01:14:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
If you don't ask, you don't receive All right. Last thing here this was brought up by John Govdy on Twitter. This is not the first person that has tagged me. In a similar post of cam scataboo, he says is this the producer? On circle back, he tagged uh, u3 plus rob, and then I replied it's a talk of the town. So I finally put the rumors to rest. Yes, this is me, so I I also. I mean, I think he looks a lot like me, but but so many people? 

01:14:52 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
tag this you can put on right now. 

01:14:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Let me do it let me grab my giants. Hat this guy? 

01:14:56 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, this when I didn't know. I was like I obviously knew who cam scataboo was. I didn't know what he looked like specifically and I was like holy shit, this guy is a dead. This guy like if you put on 20, 30 pounds, like, and you know, maybe you know a little bit more, this is a dead ringer. I mean, this guy is a dead ringer If you two walked into a bar together but oh, it's Jacob and his older brother, cam that going out. I mean dead ringer. Here, I agree, if he was more famous you could do all the people have Kardashian impersonation and stuff. 

01:15:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
You could walk around Toronto and give out like I need him to, to win like offensive rookie of the year or something, stuff for little kids and you know like doing a billion. 

01:15:41 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
You know getting 100 an hour to walk around toronto and be cam scataboo I said this, uh, and I'll say it again why is he dressed like turtle from entourage? 

01:15:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I don't understand like this is why is he wearing, just being out and about yeah, like why is he wearing like it? 

01:15:54 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
looks like it's 2005. Like why is he dressed like that? I don't like the other guy looks like fine, but like why what's up with the jersey of his team he's on? 

01:16:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
I don't get that so, uh, I nicknamed the giant by purely by coincidence I am also a giants fan and purely by coincidence, kev scadaboo was drafted. By coincidence, I am also a Giants fan and, purely by coincidence, cam Skadava was drafted by the Giants. I do need a new jersey, because my Daniel Jones jersey I don't think he's making it out of the closet. 

01:16:21
It's got to be Cam Skadava jersey. It might have to be the white and red 92 jersey that you see in the photo here. Let us know in the comments if you think, if you see the resemblance a little bit, but also do us a favor. 

01:16:34 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Who do we look like? 

01:16:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
the rest of us, oh yeah, give, give your doppelganger for everybody in the chat here I have seen. 

01:16:42 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean I've gotten clooney before ryan reynolds a few times, but uh no, it's not as close as this. I usually. 

01:16:49 - Jeff Nadu (Co-host)
Usually get Bobby Hill from King of the Hill. 

01:16:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Do you ever get any? 

01:16:59 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
comparisons Fluff, Is he thinking? Fluff's over there jamming. He's trying to get his money back from the Cavs over here. 

01:17:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
Okay, see money line. Oh okay, Tech says he can't hear us OK. It's the end of the show anyways, Let us know. In the comments I see you guys' mouth moving. 

01:17:17 - Flup (Co-host)
I literally can't hear you. I don't know if you can hear me. 

01:17:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We're asking if you have anybody who's ever been pointed out as a doppelganger for yourself. No, he still doesn't got us OK. 

01:17:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Fair enough. 

01:17:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Co-host)
We'll end it there. Let us know in the comments. Uh, weird niche one, but like. There's a soccer player called callum patterson who used to play for cardiff. I once saw a photo of him and thought it was a photo of me for about 20 seconds before I was like where the hell is this photo from? So yeah, it happens, but this camp scattered was pretty crazy. If you enjoyed today's episode, please make sure you do smash that like button. Also, make sure you subscribe to the channel. We're going to be back with the Tuesday crew and there's going to be a lot to say after a week off, so make sure you don't miss out. We'll see you again next time for more from Circle Back, presented by Underdog.