00:00 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
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00:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions it's circle back right here on the circles off youtube channel, part of the hammer betting network and presented by underdog. This is the show where we review the week that was on gambling twitter. We check out your hashtags, hashtag circle and we incorporate that into one big show. Myself, rob Pizzola, here, alongside Takes by Jay Jason Cooper, jeff Feinberg and Jacob Grumania, behind the glass, producing. Today I'm rocking the Leaf swag. I'm in full playoff gear. I love this time of year NBA, nhl playoffs, baseball starting to get into swing as well. It's a good time of year, I think. 

01:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, go ahead. Nfl draft. I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that. I mean, we can talk about that a little bit later. 

01:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I mean, Jeff is very upset that the Leafs are playing on the same night as the NFL draft Jeff is upset. 

01:39 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Jeff is upset, as if I don't have to host an NFL draft watch-along while my Leafs are playing when are you hosting that watch-along? On Forward Progress Click like and subscribe. Go over there. Subscribe. When do we start 7? I think it's at 8 or 7. 

01:54 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I should probably check that 8 o'clock 8 o'clock is the start time. 

01:56 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Leafs game's at 7. 

01:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm going to be in a blend with the dual screen experience. It's tough. You want the draft to just kind of be on its own night where you can just tune into that. It sucks. It sucks for Jeff's parties as well. 

02:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm annoyed. We'll watch both together. It'll be great. 

02:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're joining us, right Gross. 

02:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, near the end. Okay, so when the Leafs are up like 6-2. 

02:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's optimal Jeff Feininberg time, by the way, to join at the end when he's completely sauced from the entire night. 

02:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
My favorite in the watch yeah, but I'm not gonna never mind, you're not saucing on the thursday for the draft well, like normally, I have a draft party, but the leafs ruin that. So how? 

02:36 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
do, but I still don't understand how the lease would ruin and and an nfl draft party. You have, do you not, two screens. 

02:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When the Leafs are wrong, like nothing else matters to the Leafs. 

02:47 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So then just stick NFL draft second screen. What do you need? To hear you need to hear the analyst talk about the pick. Three picks before. 

02:52 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
He wants to get invested in the draft. He wants everyone to be talking about the draft. 

02:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, it's not like that. It's not like a library where you can only be talking about a draft library. 

03:00 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
But you want the focus on the draft. 

03:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Listen, it's not about me. I didn't even do this. How did this end up on me? Why? 

03:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
don't you just put the Leaf game on the big screen and then you play the part of Commissioner Goodell? 

03:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
and you pause every time. 

03:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
A pick is in and you announce the pick get the reactions of the crowd, and then you play the game. 

03:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Listen it all is relevant. The game could be a Leafs like blowout and everyone is intense and it's like chilled, or it's going to be like a 1-1 series and it's a tie game, or they're down and it's a one goal game. It's just like a vibe, that's it. These people care. I like the Leafs, I want them to win, like for my friends. I'm not obsessed like I am with other teams. 

03:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But I'm just saying but he'll fire off a celebratory tweet every year when the leafs get no, I'll find there's like humor in how people react you would. 

03:50 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's it. You would think you'd have a little bit more empathy. Being a chargers fan I love the leafs. 

03:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I used to be on um. I was on like a pillar outside the air canada center, like a whole, like wall wrap. What do you mean? Waving a flag like in 2000. 

04:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like, they used your likeness up there. Yeah, my likeness, until you threatened to sue. 

04:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I used to be obsessed with the Leafs. I loved the Leafs. So what happened? You want to know the truth. Honestly, like a year working on Leafs lunch. Yeah. 

04:20
And being in the locker room and going to practice and like getting too close, it's like don't meet your heroes. But not just like the players, like the whole fucking operation. The people in charge, Ron Wilson, who was after Wilson during Burke years. I got turned off by like everything. Those were tough years Dealing with their PR people like everything about it with their PR people like everything about it. This is what I'm worried about when I go have breakfast with George. 

04:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know you never know but, he might also be meeting his uh. 

04:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't even like this. Why'd this become an interview about me? 

04:58 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't know, it's just. 

04:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You just seem to be really heated before we started the show about the draft falling on the same night as a playoff game happens every year but it doesn't happen every year. 

05:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's happened the last couple, so it's kind of annoying. 

05:08
I I feel like this is like stole almost stolen valor from you because, like I'm actually I'm a leafs, I'm a big leafs fan, like that's my, this is my team and I can't watch it guess what, when I was a fucking runt, I had to work rob was with me, I was working sundays in football season and then a little equity, and I said you don't have enough money to pay me to work these shifts. I had enough ability to say you know what? I'm good here. I'm like a piece of this wheel. I'm not a part of that anymore. Almost like you weren't going to fire me over it because I produced in other ways. But I'd gone up enough in the ladder where I was like I don't work on Sundays. You took those from me for two years and but that's it. 

05:49 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I paid my dues well and I wasn't doing it anymore. 

05:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Let me be clear I want to do the draft watch so I don't feel bad that you've got to like earn your stripes in some ways, especially since he's bailed on so many things this year to attend these games. 

06:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, like Jason, can you work tonight. 

06:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm busy, I'm sorry, I might catch him on TV two hours later Last week. I'm like you'll for sure be at a playoff game. He sits in the room. I don't know if I'll be at a playoff game. Game one who's at the game. 

06:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I didn't know at the time. 

06:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I ended up getting tickets. That was the worst five minutes. You didn't like that. You don't like being the center of attention. You're like the anti-Sean Perry. I don't. I mean I do some things, but attention seeking behavior I don't. I mean not like that. I didn't want to get into it. How did we get there? That's on me. 

06:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just listen. It's the job of the host. I saw you a little bit fired up off air. I'm like you know what Maybe we'll use that to start the show and it looks like you were still a little bit fired up about it. 

06:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But yeah, it's a great night, it's a great season of sports. 

06:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
NFL Draft Watch along over on the Forward Progress YouTube channel 8 pm Thursday night. Jason's hosting. We got our cast from Forward Progress is going to tune in over the course of the night. We got some guests lined up as well. Some who are fans of specific teams will be joining for their specific picks. So check that out over on Forward Progress. But let's get into it. Last week we talked about Matt Zilbert. Jacob said this could have led off the show and it was buried in our third or fourth slot last week, while we're leading off with Matt Zilbert this week, jacob, Well, I think the bigger story was when he ducked on actually appearing on the Elf Show on the Wednesday to discuss the allegations that were against him. 

07:36 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
but he ended up going on the show a day later, which is why we couldn't talk about it with the Friday crew. But this is kind of how the story's wrapping up here. So if anybody wasn't aware of what happened, we talked about it last week in the show. But a quick recap uh, matt zilbert allegedly posted a pic article where he bet under eight runs in a game at minus 105 on fan duel but it got rained out on a bet that he lost and based on the house rules at different sportsbooks. If he had bet on FanDuel it would be a loss, but if he had bet on Caesars it would have been a void and there was metadata that showcased that the article was edited after midnight, after the game was done, where it's alleged he changed it to Caesar so he would get a void. 

08:29
He started victory lapping his void instead of getting a loss for his expertly documented record. So he went on the Elf Show on Thursday to exonerate himself, to clear himself of all the allegations, and he said fun appearance on the Elf Show last night. Exonerated, innocent name cleared, myth debunked. What a beautiful morning it is and what a shitty morning it is for the many thousands of my haters that's. I don't know if we're in the thousands, but we might be in the hundreds. 

08:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think they might be in the thousands. We're getting close to there. 

08:59 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I say we, as me included, keep eating shit, scrubs. How? About that call. I'm not going to extend it to the amount of letters he uses for that call. Anyways, here is the proof. Here is the quote-unquote proof that he showcased. It's a screenshot of him texting a guy called Rob. By the way, he'll charge your fucking phone. 

09:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's like on the edge of death. 

09:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Also pay for some 5G Like what are we doing here? 

09:24 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
But he says yo, rob, this is at 6.41 pm on Friday, by the way. Yo, Rob, would you be able to place a bet for me on your site, please? Not sure I'll be home in time. Giants Yankees under 8. And Rob says sure, minus 105, how much you want. So Zill got his mover to get it down 63 bucks. I didn't see that part. For 63 bucks to win 60. He says okay, you're in. 

09:50
I will remind everyone that the FanDuel price which was originally there was minus 105. The edited price which Zill's claiming it was the original price minus 110, caesars, which voided Again, that's minus 110. So why price minus 110? Caesars was voided again, that's minus 110. So why would rob confirm that he got minus 105 when the actual pick was minus 110 at caesars? That was a bit confusing to me. 

10:14
Then he showcased a screenshot of his like sent email history, which does absolutely nothing to prove it. So if anything, the proof here kind of makes him look worse and I run so bad. Added on by showcasing that at 641 pm on Friday the odds at Caesars were minus 120. So this price also did not exist. So even if he wasn't lying, this price did not exist and he'd be lying about the price. But he didn't address the data that showcases the article is edited. But he didn't address the data that showcases the article as edited and he says, like all the articles show edits like that, no, they don't. They don't all show that. So he didn't really do anything here. Jordan Alexander at Jordan Rules TSP points out I still can't believe. Zilbert showed us a text message that he asked a friend to put a bet in for him at caesar's as proof to disprove the metadata, that his article was edited and expected everyone to believe him. So, rob, you're uh, you're the big defender of zil here not, not the big defender I don't know man I like to get 

11:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
all the facts before I issue my judge. 

11:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
All right, you've got the fact, why'd you look at me after that? 

11:23 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
you got right. You've got the facts. Now Why'd you look at me after that? You've got the facts. 

11:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've got the facts. So frankly, this is insulting from Zilbert right. It's very clear here. 

11:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Myth debunked. 

11:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If he wants to clear his name, there's a very simple way to clear his name, which I mentioned to him in Twitter DMs as well, which is if he claims that this metadata is false and, like it might have, the article might've been changed to include some sort of widget or whatever. If you want to make those claims, it's very simple, jay, we talked about this off air last week you said he's got to send the email that he originally sent to his editor with the article. 

12:06 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, not not a screenshot of the subject line of the email and I said to. 

12:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I said to zilbo. I said, zilbo, just if you got that email, the one that you sent with your article, forward me. That sent email and I got radio silence. I got nothing from him. So that is the only way at this point to clear his name, because if his whole thing is like I don't have access to the site, I send it to an editor. They edit it and they put it up. I want to see the original article that was sent and what sports book and price was used in that original article and that's it. That is the only proof that can exonerate him at this point. He refuses to give that proof and on top of that he keeps saying that he's. What do these have to do with anything, if anything? This is more damning for Zilber, because he always claims to be a mid-$100 better and he's betting $63. 

13:02 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Listen, I think he's been up so much this year. He just doesn't want to lose the motivation. So he's been lowering his unit size so he doesn't lose that motivation to win. I'm at a loss for words, honestly. I saw this text originally. I didn't see the 63 for 60. I started dying of laughter. That was just absolutely insane stuff. 

13:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I missed his appearance on the spaces I don't know. I'm such a big fan so I'm torn here. I think man of the Vague made a fair point in defending Zalbert, and I get it. He's going to have his haters here and people that want to shit on him, but in the end there's Instagram models or there's people who are like you know, do social media girls and they'll alter a picture to make themselves look 10 pounds lighter. Yep, and they're not charging. The articles are for free. 

13:55 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Okay, there's the counterpoint he's just out there. There's a counterpoint made to that if that instagram model is in every other instagram hey you're making yourself look 10 pounds lighter with Photoshop, fuck you. And then they do the same shit that you'd be mad at. 

14:10
That Instagram model to, yeah, would you not Going about his business posting shit pics that are looking at, editing whatever, but the fact that he's like two weeks ago we had on this show him go or two. Yeah, two weeks on the Friday show we had him going after like v-cin guys, and rightfully so, but then to turn around and do the same thing Crazy point counterpoint. 

14:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That was fair. So I have, I guess, the most updated retort from Zalbert this morning. I asked him because I told him I'll be coming into a den of you know knives towards him if he had anything he wanted to say. Everyone wants to complain about me, slander me, attack me every single day, but the fact remains the over-under record this season is still exceptional 13-9-1, 59% average price around minus 110. Also, my two totals yesterday 102 and minus 115. 

15:06 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
13 and 10. What I? 

15:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
will say about that message is kind of my point from last week, which is that there are so many people that hate him at this point that I can't put it past someone to make up some story about him. Like I need the information, but now, like if this, this is gonna be the, the burden of proof is now on you, zilbert, at the end of the day, the burden of proof is now on you. This is not proving anything, and as someone who, like you know, I don't want to say defended him, but but was willing to see the, the bigger picture. 

15:38
It feels like a direct, like slap in the face. 

15:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
At this point it's like what are you doing here, man, but like even after you had him on for the the super bowl extravaganza, like from that moment he was in. I'm not saying they're alike, they're very different, but he was in like the grp tier of humor for me and I don't even care if he's being honest or lying. He's not charging people. I get why. If he was one of those persons who he, like you, replied to tweets for years, trent, like I get it. You have infinity shots if you want to take. I just see the humor. 

16:18
I just see so much humor in all of it oh, it's hilarious from afar and that he would risk it all for like a push, the fact that he would risk so much for a push. 

16:32 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He is Also. He could have just shut up and not said the fact that he was just victory lapping it on Twitter was just the dumbest thing about it. I was going to say the burden of proof you mentioned it's on him. It shouldn't always be like that, but when you come out and you say I have all this proof and it's so simple to disprove people, and then you don't show it, that's the problem. It's very Trumpian by Zalbert. 

16:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It really is. You got to give him that and he takes a lot of heat because sometimes he's giving out props and people are like you props and people like you're not including that in your record. I'm going to stand for him right here. It is the over-unders people. 

17:07
That's what matters, no, rob no, but no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on let me just finish you complaining about some zalbert prop or the people holding him accountable for those that is like going to the best, like wing spot in town and ordering the pizza and being like the pizza's not good. 

17:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Everyone knows he is the over under king and that is the standard for which he will be held to I will say this about zilbert okay, you say that like he's not a tout and he's not a tout, he's not selling, the picks are on dead spin but but he does everything that a tout would do. Yeah, like, like you know, like like the wednesdays, right. So he won the last wednesday. He won the pick that was in his article. However, he gave out another pick on twitter that lost and overall and overall for the day he lost. 

18:03
but which one was was the over-ender. But he victory lapped it as another Wednesday and people were like, well, you gave out this pick too. 

18:09 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
He's like no, no Wednesday counts for my documented the prop pick he was drinking. 

18:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oh, that one didn't count. Sorry, he was drinking. You fired that right at post. 

18:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Let me just text my sportsbook. I was drinking. 

18:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Can I undo this please like? No, it's like the covid season, that didn't happen in baseball. He just it's to me, though, like I used to be really, really bothered by all this right I. He has a way of triggering people like I've never seen before in my life, and it's just he's just replying with the same things like clive bixby, good friend of mine. I host with him on sunday nights on Forward Progress during the football season. He's responding to everything. I'm like Clive, what are you doing, man? You're just going to get the same. This is going to go nowhere. These conversations with Zilbert, they go nowhere and people get so agitated. 

18:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
There's a beauty in that he doesn't get. I'm a fan because he's in a certain tier for me, but I get that he doesn't realize the damage he has done. It would literally be like finding out George ripped a page out of the notebook for a push. And you saw the binder hairs left over where we thought that page used to be, and none of it made sense. That's George's metadata. 

19:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, honestly, do we have to like? Are you going to audit George's notebooks when you go to show him around? 

19:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I would like to just see one, I mean I'd be honored. 

19:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What if he asks you to sign one? He asks you a Sharpie and says Jeff, can you sign my notebook for me? We should get one, Put it in the studio Maybe we'll get a golden notebook. 

19:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, how you could buy a hockey stick or something and have a player sign it. 

19:52 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I want the notebook that has all of his comeback player of the year that is actually, for posterity reasons, going to probably go to Circa one day. 

20:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's going to be a Hall of Fame. I don't want that. 

20:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The Masters one, george could honestly you know how people you know like ex-athletes or wrestlers they like run a site where you could buy autographed 8x10s? George could probably sell autographed notebooks. 

20:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You just got to buy it through. 

20:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Western. 

20:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Union. 

20:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's not bad. 

20:29 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
If he was gonna start a merch store. 

20:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He might as well do that as well. I mean the cost. What do those notebooks go for? Like a buck? 

20:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know. I think he buys. I think he doesn't cheap out on them. He goes to Staples. I think he buys good ones. 

20:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, but let's say what? Five bucks for a notebook? I have no idea what things cost anymore I haven't written a notebook in forever, but five bucks. He could probably sell those through a 10 times markup. 

20:53 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Signed George notebook 50 bucks, but then he doesn't have the documentation to back up the picks he's making. 

20:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, have a way to accept. It is draft, it is draft week. 

21:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, so like again, like props to george crushed it. You look at the clv he's getting this week well, he got limited though, so but he is, and he, he's on a, he's on a warpath this week because anyone who makes a draft bet he is responding with. But do you have? 

21:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
this number Amazing. 

21:25 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
What a classic. We got a lot of GRP coming Exactly we got more George coming. 

21:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
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22:50 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
We got something that got a lot of the sharp community a little bit upset. Online arbologist posted a full thread this week about p2 accounts and why they're essential for arbitrage and plus EV bettors. For everyone unfamiliar, a P2 account is a sports account open in someone else's name, like a family member, girlfriend, wife, whatever, roommate, whatever it is so that when your main account gets limited, you can keep betting without interruption. In the thread, arbologist broke down step-by-step instructions on how to set up and run a clean P2 account, including using separate devices, mobile data plans and never crossing logins between accounts. He even pointed out to people to a full podcast episode explaining it in more depth. 

23:32
The main reaction wasn't about what he said, because it was very informative, but it's about why anyone would share this publicly and potentially draw attention to a sensitive part of the betting world. So we'll start with Rob here, because I feel like this affects you the most. Do you care if somebody exposes this? What do you think? Oh, by the way, shout out to Jake STHBets for hashtag circle back on this. Circle back, not circles back. 

23:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, circle back if you want to get in touch with it. Although I check circles back to everyone, just don't use circles back. Stuff like this is very intriguing because you often get this sharp recreational divide on anything that could be seen as giving away an edge or speaking publicly on something that kind of is more of a private conversation. Now there's one reason. I can tell you in one second here that this is a completely insane thread to type up for someone. Before we do, though, I used to do Q&As here on Circles off with Johnny pretty regularly. I did one with Joey Knish. I plan on doing some with Kirk going forwards as well. 

24:38
One of the most common questions we get is related to stuff like this I got limited on accounts. How do I go about setting up another account somewhere else, this and that? So there is an appetite for this type of information from people. Now you might notice that I never speak publicly on stuff like this. There's a few reasons for it. One it's not just violation of terms of service in some states or provinces to multi-account. It's actually prosecutable. It's illegal in some states or provinces. Multi-count it's actually prosecutable. It's illegal in some states or provinces. 

25:06 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on. I think somebody earlier got somebody else to bet on their behalf. 

25:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, that one is almost certainly offshore, because I've seen Zilbert's slips before and I feel very confidently that this message to Rob is either a local bookie or somebody who's placing a bet offshore. 

25:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And no wonder you and Kirk sometimes get so squirmy when defending the sports books, and my retorts are sometimes well, you have a whole infrastructure of fucking P2s to fall back on. 

25:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well no, I don't Wink wink. Well no, I don't Wink wink. The real challenge with stuff like this you are essentially admitting to a crime in some areas. It's like me creating a thread on like here's how you avoid paying taxes. Like why would anyone ever do something like that? And like recording a podcast on it. I'll tell you like we have a legal team here at the Hammer. Part of it is because we get so many lawsuits threatened at us for circle back here. But the milkman comes. They are. They're very clear to us about. If you ever talk about having multiple accounts or what you have to be very explicit that you do not condone it. You do not. You're not opening multiple accounts at legal outlets because all of this can be worked used against you in a court of law down the road. It doesn't matter. You go to a court of law for anything. And then they start pulling up your gambling stuff and like oh, wait a minute, this guy is already admitted to a crime publicly, or whatever you're. 

26:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're now like burden of proof is on you, like there's a lot of negative repercussions from a tweet like this, and I just saying let's say you do use a spouse and then you get divorced she could maybe use that against you is like he's a criminal yeah or she like forced me to commit a crime. 

26:58
He can't be trusted I, I don't, you know you see all the sort of shit that comes out and I would say maybe more like skipping on taxes, it would be like a threat on are you like, are you like childless? Well, here's how you can like report a child on your taxes. 

27:14
So you can get certain benefits from the government for for having children, right, right. So I don't even, but I don't know. You professionals, you have your infrastructures of P2s. So when other people like that's why some pros, you know they don't give a shit when you say you got limited, it's all part of the game. But again they have a whole system, a fallback plan in place to have their P2s, to facilitate more P2s. The operations that you and your cronies have for this it's probably. I mean, you don't just make bets, you send out fucking orders. 

27:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it depends on the person. Obviously, movers have to have access to tons of accounts Originators. It depends on what you originate right. Some things you could just bet into full markets at Pinnacle or Chris or Circa or whatever, and you don't need secondary accounts. That's good enough for you. But at the end of the day, like every industry kind of has, I'll call them like unspoken rules, things that you just don't talk about publicly. It's like everyone knows what goes on behind the scenes like a ditty party. 

28:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah. 

28:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I'm not gonna go quite quite to that, but yes, there's like there's just like wrestling would have a ton, the wrestling industry. It's like we don't talk about that publicly. We never say that this. It's kind of the same with sports betting. 

28:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's like people know that this but you don't publicly comment on it like it exists, but the world is so different now that it does get commented on, and I know this was fun news to me this morning, but I saw WWE and Netflix start promoting a show that is inside the writer's room. 

29:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

29:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That they're now taking you into the decisions behind making the storylines right, which is like so far beyond the fourth wall that old-time wrestlers would like. 

29:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
God forbid yes, so nothing is what it used to be right, is that? 

29:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, yeah okay, right nothing is what it used to be yeah, I think generally, so I I went through the comments of this thread Doing this for clout seems pretty stupid. 

29:29
I don't know what it's for. I don't know, but it's pretty split right. There's the sharp side who are like, what the fuck are you doing posting this? Then there's other people who are like, oh, this is great information, thank you for posting it. And there's those people that exist and I probably represent more the sharp side. I hate the argument of man of the big presents. This argument a lot, lots of people do. I don't want to just single him out, but a lot of content creators get attacked it happened on last week's show, a friday show as well for posting stuff that like they can make more money off of if they, if they just found a sharp originator to move it it's like a lot of the sharp people are not rooted in reality. 

30:10
It's not that easy, if you have like an edge in sports to go find people to bet it on your behalf and whatever and do all those things right. But there's certain things where I even will draw the line and be like it's really stupid to put that out there, even if it is um informational in a sense, because there's just so much like there's on the on the arborologist side of things. There's just so much that could go wrong for him down the road by publicly having a thread like this out there yeah, absolutely well, it's all just such common knowledge, like who gives a shit. 

30:44
Yeah, but again, it's all unspoken, right, but it's who cares? Yeah, you could say that it's so unspoken. 

30:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's unspoken because it's so obvious. Yeah, yeah, Like that's why it doesn't even be spoken about. 

31:00 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean he has a picture there. 

31:02 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I assume that's not his picture people are doing this, just like I hope, not like I hope for the like. 

31:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I hope that's not actually when that fucking gamble do this. 

31:08 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
People were doing this like poker 20 fucking years ago my biggest question with this is when did partners become p2? When did that shift happen? Because I remember listening to people talk about this stuff years ago, um, and what they would mention is partner instead of p2. 

31:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've never really p2 is only something I've heard within the last year. I think in different sections of the betting community you'll have different nomenclature that's used for things okay so I don't. I, I personally, have never used p2 in my life yeah I would never reference, but I don't. 

31:42
I don't know like it's I. I get what the whole thread is. Listen, it's informative, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that, uh, stuff like this, I I I personally think there you draw the line somewhere and be like you don't need to publicly post stuff like this and again he can do whatever the hell he wants. He's a grown man. 

31:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, at the end of the day I enjoy how much the panties of the pros get rattled over something as truly innocuous and obvious as everything written here. I know where you're coming from Every fucking book that they work on, yeah, that they try to get the upper hand on. Knows about P2s, of course. Like no one on the other side is like gaining an edge or like, oh, we're onto this now and all it is is pros with their panties in a knot. It's some of my favorite content. 

32:35 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah. 

32:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
In a way I have slowly started skewing more in your direction over time on these concepts. You know, like someone who posts the Salvitri stuff I used to go off on right. 

32:47
I think that's horrible. I think those threads are terrible. On like you should bet this prop or the prop's not even available yet, you don't even know what the number is. All of it sucks. But when you think of what his end goal is, his end goal is to get as much engagement as possible, because that is money to him. Now I don't agree with the way to run things and maybe this is a bad example, but a lot of times it will make more sense. I mean, listen, sharp community, come at me all you want, call me a complete fucking idiot, but a lot of times it will make more sense for a content creator to post something publicly, even if it gives away an edge, because it actually means more money for them in the long term. 

33:28
It builds their following, People are more loyal to them. Done, there's so many secondary instances. It doesn't just come down to like oh I can make $4,000 off this edge. 

33:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's a long-term game and a lot of people are like I don't want to call six people to make $400 bets for me Also. 

33:46 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I feel like a lot of pro bettors are desensitized to the amount of risk that they take as well monetarily right, like for Sal Vitri, just to use him as an example. If he were to want to bet that stuff out, he would have to have a ton of monetary risk involved in that right, even though he might have just take the $0 risk and get the upside of getting engaged. 

34:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's another thing too. It's like you might have an edge in sports, but there's still risk involved. 

34:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Of losing, you could lose. 

34:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You could have a good edge and you could still lose, and that's where I think there's a big-time disconnect. I definitely skew I guess neutral in these types of conversations. I am a sharp, but I think that there's an inability for most sharp bettors to put themselves in the position of the average content creator. 

34:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is literally like a dude. It's like everyone knows. There's like a disgusting set of like termites and cockroaches under that mat and then someone takes a flashlight to it. It's like, oh, they're there, like that's what that message is, and the cockroaches scatter when the light comes. 

34:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I totally get it, totally get the frustration. I've been in those shoes before. I always talk about the same story, but for me it's the anthem, right, it's the national anthem at the Super Bowl. It was the year that that guy stood outside of the stadium and he clocked the rehearsal time and he posted it to Twitter. That to me, is infuriating, right? But in reflection, now that guy doesn't know any better, he doesn't have a thought in his head of like maybe I'll send this information out and people can bet it on my behalf and keep it to myself. He's just doing what he thinks is going to drive engagement and with reflection of that. 

35:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We know what sort of slope that was on. The books were like, slowly catching on right. Did that cost you maybe a season, like one more year out of one more squeeze, which I know was a lot and I appreciated them every time, but I'm just like it's not. Like this was this never-ending tree like the. It was dot, it was dying and that just like made it happen quite a bit faster. But the way gambling and all of these, um, sort of markets have taken such a higher profile, yeah, there was no way the anthem was gonna survive no no and and when I look back on it now it's like I, I, I get it, I understand it right. 

36:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean in that moment it was it's like I get it, I understand it Right. I mean in that moment it was like why would anyone do this? You're looking for clout. The guy doesn't fucking know any better. He obviously didn't know any better and, at the end of the day, for a lot of these people out there, the building of the brand means more to them long term than winning money off of betting. 

36:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's what it is, and that's just another example. I know I use it a lot, but it's like that guy, he's just a guy. He made his one bet and he was happy to share. He saw a great sale at the store on the six pack of Gatorade and he just wanted one. Well, all you sharps are there and you got your kids and your nephews and nieces because it's four per person and you're filling up everyone's cart, you know, and this guy only wants one. 

36:51
And you're looking at the dude who only wants one six-pack like he's a freak. Yeah, why aren't you taking advantage of this? Take three more. Call your wife, get her here. Like I don't have—sorry, my P2's not available. 

37:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like I don't have, sorry my P2's not available, Like fuck off. We'll keep it moving here, Jacob. 

37:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're worried about offending sharps now. 

37:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
First of all, I'm never worried about offending anyone. The reality is you just got to speak your mind and your piece and I offend sharps all the time as well, and I offend recreational content. I offend everyone in some capacity. 

37:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is my opinion. Sometimes they can be as pretentiously pathetic as I am stupid and they think I'm an idiot, but they're as dumb as I am. They're as pretentiously pathetic. I could see that. 

37:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So it goes both ways. My whole thing with that thread was like that's not affecting my life in any way, Period. 

37:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The people who make the decisions, the people who are trying to stop. 

37:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You did not learn anything new that day but on top of that, my issue with reading that tweet. I'm like this person is a an idiot for publicly putting this thread out there because, like you, basically are admitting to violating terms and conditions of every book that he's with and in some cases, depending on where you are, could be a criminal offense. And that was my only take on there. But yeah, sharps come in hot and Sharps came in hot on this topic as well, jacob. 

38:13 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Sticking yeah, sticking with the same sort of betting conversations here. There was a big debate over a New York bill that could be set to pass, so big regulatory news here. Sam McQuillan reported that a new bill has been proposed that would impose major restrictions on legal sports betting in the state, including a $5,000 daily betting cap, a limit of five deposits per day, a ban on advertising boosts, bonus bets and no sweat offers, and a blanket ban on betting ads between 8 am and 10 pm or during live games. Reaction has been loud, with dustin gooker gooker even suggesting that if this bill passes, operators like fane and draft kings should surrender their licenses and pivot to prediction markets instead. We covered prediction markets a little bit on the previous circle, back on the friday one, but if this is something that's actually passed, what would it mean for New York? Could it have a big domino effect elsewhere? 

39:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So, at the end of the day, regulators, in my opinion, should be responsible for the entire ecosystem when it comes to betting. Protect the better, make sure you're making as much tax revenue as possible. How do you balance both? And I think there's some good things in here. Uh, we've talked about this on the show many times before. The ads are pretty overwhelming in sports betting nowadays and you know, you can't, you can't go like you just see them everywhere at all times. So having bands during live games for the majority of the day um, not promoting boosts, which are in lots of times are are bad bets for the bet. Sometimes they're good, but all these things, I think, make a lot of sense. 

39:55
What kills me is the five thousand dollar daily betting cap and I think dustin gawker here and hopefully getting the last name right as well. Um, if I was a sports book, I would be like what the hell is this? Because you definitely have vips who are putting more into that on a daily basis and maybe the maybe the regulation is like well, this is like a way to prevent them from losing those types of money as well. But there is not only problem gamblers that are betting five thousand dollars a day like literally, that is an insane number to me, and when I think about you know like I've been very vocal about this. 

40:32
I interviewed Joe Brennan, who's now part of American betters voice as well, about lobbying on behalf of betters, and my fear was always that you're going to get like over-regulation and people are going to start to step in and put things into effect that don't make any fucking sense because they don't get it. It's like asking someone who's never driven a car in their life before to like amend the rules of the road. It's like here you go. You know what we got going on here, let's fix it. And a $5,000 daily betting cap, in my opinion, does not help sportsbooks in terms of generating long-term revenue. It doesn't help bettors either, especially from an engagement standpoint or those who like to bet bigger. I think we're getting into territory now where I see something on a new monthly basis which is like this state is considering this, this state is considering this, and my immediate reaction is just like why the biggest thing for me is I've seen this a lot with some of my friends who like bet on sports. 

41:29 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Sometimes, like, it feels like what? 

41:31
What would be happening here is those people who were to be betting on sports if they were to hit that daily betting cap, they'd then be pushed into iGaming, into the casino, where it doesn't seem like they want to put a betting cap on that, which I find very interesting, like the like, because I've I've noticed a lot with friends where, like, even if they win, they'll head over the casino and they'll just burn it all there. Listen, some of my friends are dumb and that's how people want to play and use their money. That's fine. But, like I, I think I have a big problem with, like, it seems like they care more about sports betting when, like, in my opinion, the real problem is having I like the I gaming on phone, casinos on your phone. That should be a little bit more of a focus from regulators, which I haven't seen at all. It's all on sports betting. But the last two points, I'm okay with that. The ban on ads promoting boost sure, why not? And the no ads between 8 and 10 pm sure, I'm fine with that. 

42:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
New York is already considered a state where it's going to be very challenging for sportsbooks to make revenue in the long run. Right, you've heard of talks of like potentially. I mean the tax rate is so high in New York for sportsbooks that it's a little bit more challenging If you start to cap bettors at betting a certain amount, it becomes even more challenging. So I know you're trying to balance, like responsible gaming efforts with you know, as part of the regulation as a whole. 

42:50
But if you start to impose these types of bans, you lose regulated betting as well. Eventually, sportsbooks just say we cannot turn profit in this state, we're out of here. And then what happens? All the money goes back to street books and to offshore yeah, and to completely defeats the purpose of why you wanted to regulate in the first place. 

43:07 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, part of the reason we want to regulate too is, like you can list down that you're a pro sports, better on your taxes, right, but like, if, like you said, like how is anyone supposed to win? Like if you want to be a pro sports better, you cannot live in new york. If this is the case, it'd be impossible. How would you be able to sustain yourself on this? Also, if you're a Fezzik subscriber, you'd be fucked as well, laying like minus. 

43:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's true. That's another great point If you're laying minus $8,500, you've got to put some real money down every day. 

43:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're done. There goes half his business, jeff. I don't really have anything to add here. Top two they don't really make sense. 

43:39 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
The max five deposits is just like the most random, absurd number. 

43:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And also I get it Because somebody who's probably redeposited it feels, like they're chasing and 

43:49 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
it's bad. 

43:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There are people I know who are crazy where they will deposit by day. It's like they give themselves enough to bet what they want to bet. Now I never have understood that. For me, I just keep the accounts funded, but okay, sure. Understood that, like, for me, I just keep the accounts funded, but okay, sure. But the betting cap in a market that's already such a high tax rate, it's kind of absurd. For the books, like I gotta be the book defender here because kirk, kirk evans isn't here today, but also for the player. 

44:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It sucks, it's, it's brutal, it's bad, I don't know I just don't even understand how the like no during live games could even work, as we'll get to later, with current nfl job postings. They're part of the program. Like they they're the main sponsor of, of everything, right, right even. Like what we have to endure here in canada in the breaks, before you know when the nbc feed drops off at night and a minute before they go to the main feed. Like everything is facilitated in these studio shows and on the broadcast from these gambling advertisements. So how are they going to just remove those from the game. 

44:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I guess it's a fair point In my head I was just thinking like just the pure commercials, like I think like in the broadcast, where it's like whatever, if it's presented by F, well, if presented by underdog friends, presented by whoever, and it's like I think that's okay. Like we see that a lot with like tsn, like yeah, and if they like to contextualize, I I think it actually does help contextualize and push the conversation. So I think you're right there. 

45:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm more so pro no commercial so am I, yeah, but also I'm kind of sick of commercials as well, so that that's kind of I hate all commercials Like I would just be no commercial for anything Like. 

45:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No ads between 8 to 10 pm for everything. 

45:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there'd be no such thing as live TV as well there if there was no monetization Streaming. Maybe not. Yeah, absolutely not. 

45:37 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
A lot of shitty content out there, especially in the sports betting space, but I tell you you might be able to find some good sports betting content in written form with Kirk's Hammer. Why don't you tell us about that? 

45:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, absolutely so. I think actually some people are thinking that like this is going to be picks in my newsletter. I'm not giving out picks in here, it's just betting content. I write this in the newsletter. It comes out on Tuesday. Winning in betting is cool. Like we've kind of forgotten about that. Being able to win is fucking cool, even if you know I shit on Odds Jammer. Even if you're an Odds Jammer, it's cool to do something and make money where you're kind of not supposed to. I've been doing it for a while now. I kind of am going to tell stories of my experiences. 

46:17 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I'll put the link in the description. All you do is put in your email, click on the link. It'll take. 

46:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
As a reminder, we do value all of your comments here at Circle Back, so hashtag Circle Back on Twitter if you want a topic in the show, but, of course, utilize the comments down below on YouTube. We try to cover a few of your comments every single week and this is one of the easiest ways to help us grow as well. Youtube likes the engagement, so leave us a comment. Of course, smash that like button, make sure you're subbed here to Circles Off as well. 

47:00
We'll start with simone hunter too, I'm a big fan of simone hunter. It's a very clever shtick. So this is in regards to last week's conversation. So jeff won't take his nephew to a chargers game, but wants his grandson to see the chargers play after jeff dies. I gotta say, jeff, that the logic on your end, it's not making a lot of sense to me, or Simone? 

47:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I think normal, fair and balanced people will understand this. This is now a two year old thing, practically so I was in San Diego as I am often around the holidays two Christmases ago I wasn't. My nephew wanted to go to Bill's. 

47:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Chargers and because Bill's and Chargers are his two favorite teams. 

47:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but he's 11. 

47:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And they happen to be playing in the same state that you were in at the time. Yeah, okay, that's fine, and one of those teams is your favorite team. Yeah, and one of them is your favorite team as well. Again, I'm in. 

47:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
San Diego People in Sango. Defend me here for a moment. We don't go to los angeles for no fucking reason. It is a goddamn cesspool, it is a hellscape. Let me finish. 

48:04 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You said for no reason yeah, there's a very clear reason you could have been going. 

48:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I am not going to see gif fucking smith coach and easton Sticks play quarterback. I'm not driving from San Diego to Los Angeles. I am not the father. I'm not the father. That's not my responsibility. Right, Like that's just it. I'm not supporting this Tom Telesco-led fucking team at Christmas. I'm not dealing with that. I'm'm enjoying my vacation. 

48:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I got my own children. You're making this all about yourself and not about your nephew, who loves both of these things. 

48:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The game matters, I'll put them on my back and we'll crawl on glass, but I'm not driving on a fucking California freeway from beautiful San Diego to hellscape Los Angeles. I don't like there needs to be a reason for me to go. You I don't like firstly going. You know at what age it happened, rob, but at this point in my life nothing seems worse, seems less enjoyable than going to an nfl game, like once in a blue moon. I'll go to ralph wilson because I feel like a bill's tailgate is like americana in a way, I love how you're still on the ralph wilson stadium train. 

49:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's a lost treasure. 

49:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I only know what what they were named in 95 is what they're still fucking named. I don't play these other games, the sponsorship game. So this is not fair. And yeah, if I did my job properly, my grandson will go. I said the Super Bowl, yeah, if they're in the Super Bowl, not like a game, but yeah, that's it. What are you making this about? And I got the kid a Justin Jefferson jersey, a Jameer Gibbs jersey. 

49:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Simone brought it up. Don't act like we're tagging you. 

50:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, but you put it in the show because you want it relitigated for the 500th time. Why don't you say you don't like your nephew. 

50:07 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You could just say it. You could have been the coolest. 

50:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
His entire bedroom is my memorabilia. 

50:15 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
It's saying that you wouldn't take your nephew to the game, but once you pass, you will want them to put futures in the chargers every year and have to sweat it out. 

50:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
When they're fucking 3-14,. I'm not going at. 

50:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Christmas. I'm just saying Again you're turning it around. 

50:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's all you I'm not doing this, I'm not going at Christmas. 

50:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm just saying Again, you're turning it around, it's all you. I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, I am not his father. 

50:41 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I understand, Rob. Would you have taken your nephew to that 100%? That's a lie. I would have taken my cousin to that. 

50:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I take my nephew to the Royal Ontario Museum like once a month because he wants to see the same dinosaur exhibit he sees every month. 

50:52 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'd still take him that's not the same kid live his life is gif smith playing dinosaur, but it also is, isn't it one of his favorite quarterbacks? Josh allen as well we live in toronto does he live there? He lives in san diego he lives in toronto. 

51:09 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Okay, well, fair, so then you you honestly I think that's even bigger reason you should have taken him, because now he gets to go to a stadium he doesn't get to go to you know what? 

51:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We'll be back, we're back, I'm going in October. 

51:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
With him. 

51:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No. 

51:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
We're going in. October. 

51:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Let us know down in the comments below what you think about Jeff. 

51:27 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Let us know in the comments would you have taken your nephew to that game? 

51:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, it's to say this is the holidays, I'm on holiday, even more reason is around the hall. 

51:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
How old is your nephew? I don't want to get like, get into 11 said 11, 12, I remember this experience with his uncle. 

51:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
These are like the four years, these are the formative what are you talking about? 

51:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
what are you talking about? This is how could? 

51:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
you possibly debate. You know what, I'll admit to this. When it comes to the Chargers, I am so selfish, but it's still not my job like I do so much. But I'm not going from, I'm not entering Los Angeles for Easton Stick. 

52:14 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Is his father a Chargers fan as well? 

52:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No. 

52:18 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
That's why I wanted to go with you, man, because you're the Chargers fan. Are you getting this at this point? 

52:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sorry, we got what we needed out of this segment Jeff put a long pause as a Chargers fan, and then he said I am so selfish. 

52:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And that's all we need from this entire segment. No, but that's all we need from this entire but that's right. 

52:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I did in in five seconds that's true, it's true. All right, brett Wells 36 10. We were talking last week about what a scam is no does money might be involved he said someone's time slash. Attention is required for a lie to become a scam. Yeah, I agree, we're. 

52:56 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I think, so too, you agree with that, jeff, for the. 

52:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't think there needs to be money for it to be a scam. I don't think you need. I don't need to purchase something or donate something or give out of pocket to feel scammed. 

53:11 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
This is reminds me of somebody else that we've covered in the show earlier. Who's not charging for? 

53:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
anything, I like that you so? High that in the pocket from the beginning. He heard you say that. 

53:26 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Please, jeff please, jeff, fucking agree with this fucking comment. So I can say that's good he's been slow rolling. 

53:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I thought I into it, um I I thought I got a little bit too antsy when I said do you agree with that? 

53:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was like I got this comment. Section's been a burial of jeff today that would be fair. 

53:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like okay, that's a great counterpoint. I I'm obviously rattled without a true rebuttal but, it's. It's such an easy fallback like it's an escape hatch for me every time. It's not like I sorry. You should believe in the over-unders. They're documented, they're awesome, but it's not like I'm here, no, but it's like he's in my, like whack pack basket. So, yeah, nothing can stick. 

54:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, like I, I don't agree with the evidence that he he showed was disaster in evidence, like it's not proving anything. I'm still, uh, team, team zalbo, like I find it. I find this whole thing extremely entertaining. 

54:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'd like it to continue forever if he didn't harass you on the internet, that's the thing, that's the thing. Okay, fine, but yes, he harassed a lot of people, but there's still the super majority of us who weren't personally harassed. How can you hate the guy? Well, like I get why you, or Clive or Trent or any, uh, like I, I'm sure everybody, but I wasn't one of them. 

54:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I don't feel that the comparison I feel like I can make again, wrestling is going to come up again on the show today. It's like me going to like wrestling and being next to like a 14 year old kid who thinks the whole thing is real. And you're like, and you're like this is obviously fake and they're like no it. And you're like this is obviously fake and they're like, no, it's real. I can see what's happening and you just can't get through to this person. Zilbert's opinions on anything are never going to change. 

55:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's going to type the same thing. 

55:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oh, it's the shtick, it's his whole shtick. 

55:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So he's like a kid who believes in the Easter bunny. 

55:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Exactly. You're not going to be able to convince this guy that your parents are putting the easter eggs in the house. 

55:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He thinks it's the so it's charming to me in a way, I agree it's. 

55:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's why I find it so like my daughter lost her first tooth. 

55:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm trying to think it's a real fairy and she's telling me it sounds suspicious, exactly. 

55:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I also will never get over how much jacob cannot like I can feel the resent no I. 

55:54 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I said to jason before this is it. I've exhausted everything I can on this topic. I'm glad we got I. I said my final piece, but it's time to move on connor hardell 78, 95, one of many to tweet something similar. 

56:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I volunteer myself to be the camera guy for jeff and grp's diner tour. Don't need a dime, just need to witness two legends yucking it up in the wild so this was pop this. 

56:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We saw a few of like this when we made a comment no, it's your job I want to do it but if we're going to get a bunch of free labor, on this as well. If we need to see, too, we can do it the amount of like responses I've gotten from people who are legitimately excited. George is also unsolicited. He's looking at flights. Yes, for me, for you. 

56:45 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, he's like there's a flight every hour. 

56:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He is letting me know. 

56:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What is the ideal one-day itinerary? 

56:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay, maybe it should be at least a day and a half. 

56:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We need to brainstorm. Me, you, moreto. Definitely we have to have a breakfast. 

57:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is going to hit. I think people are really going to like seeing George Two Gs in the wild, seeing George Two G's in the wild. Like yeah, the must-haves are the diner. Like I'll flip boards with him. Will you go play racquetball with him? 

57:25 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Sure Does he do that. 

57:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Pickleball, it was his, thing, yeah. 

57:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, but pickleball he does at Riviera. 

57:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, true, but I mean it's still a thing for him. 

57:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But then there's times where I just want to be like around observing, like I want to go to Rivers with him, I want to play some Potlum at Omaha with George. 

57:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'd like to sit at that table Till 6am. Whatever I've grinded like 48 hour sessions before. Sucks. We got to come up with the idea, but a day we need some suggestions as well. Down below, drop some suggestions on an itinerary. We're going to make it happen. I think a couple days, honestly, you've got to meet his mom, of course. No jokes here, by the way I guess. 

58:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
so Well, that's the other thing. What would be the best? Me just chauffeuring him around, him driving me around while we pay for the gas money. 

58:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We're going to actually make Jason the driver. 

58:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I like the idea of having him put on the full suit. I'll wear a suit with a bow tie. 

58:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But then you even had a great idea Maybe we get a town car and it's just me and George in the back seat just living it up. 

58:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I love it. Would you be comfortable driving around the chicago area? 

58:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
like. What if? 

58:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
we write you guys like a convertible or something okay, hear me out. 

58:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We gotta stick to one side of chicago right, if you ask I honestly don't know which one it is though, so we might be a little screwed if it's me when I was on a mayo media road trip for the president's cup in montreal, the signs were in like a different language. Some of the feedback from those guys was like, I'm just. 

58:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Are you saying that they liked you driving or they didn't like you? 

58:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They didn't like it. Did you obey the? 

59:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
rules of the road in Montreal, where there's no right turns on a red light, if I understood it, If I understood it, but I don't know. 

59:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They're all like caught up on me. You know just making a quick U-turn to dodge a line and like skimming a curbs. 

59:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No big deal, no big deal, no big deal. 

59:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'll see Connor on Thursday, by the way, in forward progress chat. 

59:23 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Oh, there you go. 

59:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Beautiful. Recurring watch along or forward progress. Recurring chatter. Yes, yeah, chatter. 

59:30 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
We got something fun planned for our next segment here this was suggested by Frank Rambo at JasonWilliamsI7 on Twitter, suggested a game where I showcase a tweet by either a GRP wins or a GRP parody variant and you guys have to guess if it is the real GRP that tweeted that or a fake GRP that tweeted that. So we have 15 possible answers here. 

59:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We can just watch. Here are some examples of some of the variants that are out. 

01:00:00 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
This is not all of the variants. This is some of them Alien, grp, italian GRP. 

01:00:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Look at the blind one. There's a Braille. 

01:00:07 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
There's a Braille, one Blind one, there's an Asian one, there's a lot. There's a Jewish one. 

01:00:10 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
There. There's an Asian one, there's a lot. There's a Jewish one, there's a lot of these Giorgio. Rigatoni, giorgio Rigatoni, panagaki, george Riley At GRP Nguyen is the best one by far. That's why I titled this segment GRP wins or. 

01:00:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Nguyen. 

01:00:27 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
It's not just GRP Nguyen who features on this, but there's going to be 15. So I'm putting you on the spot. A little friendly wager on this of the loser has to post a George style selfie with a meal selected by the winner of the contest. 

01:00:45 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Okay, you guys, okay with that. How are we gonna do this? Three, two, one, and then you say real or fake, or how are we gonna do this? That's a good question. That's a good question. 

01:00:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just someone is running all of these, it has to be For sure, for sure, for sure. 

01:00:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I just noticed. The first one is at iCummInPeaceGRP. 

01:01:05 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's like the guy who oh wait, there's a guy who always just okay, not Ken can bring this up. 

01:01:10 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I don't know if you GRPon1. 

01:01:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like up. I don't know if you are pon one like rob grp010101 you would say you don't. You don't know who's running them, but like you know, who's running them? Oh, I have a feeling, I I have a feeling that that frank rambo guy is involved in some capacity playmaker dave would also be. 

01:01:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Uh, um, someone I'd point the finger at, um that could potentially be behind these. There's someone, I mean it's gotten out like he literally did a full segment on the Elf Show last week, like 10 minutes, where there was somebody who had a George soundboard that was answering the question. Like George, was very confused as to what was happening. It's gotten incredible at this point. 

01:01:48 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So what we're going to do? You guys are going to write on your phone the answer. We're going to all reveal the same time. Okay, you guys are going to write on your phone the answer. We're going to all reveal the same time. Okay, well, we don't have to reveal the same time, but if we see you typing on your phone, you're obviously cheating, correct? 

01:02:01
Documented record Loser has to post a selfie by Friday, I'd say, or end of the week, okay, and the winner gets to pick them. You obviously don't make them buy a $300 steak or something. 

01:02:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I'm just going to put up a calculator and just go, just show each other. Calculator is better. Calculator one two or One is real, two is fake, one, yeah, I don't even. I don't know what these slides look like, so we're going to. 

01:02:26 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
OK, so here's the first example, so I'll put up this that's blacked out. Here is the prompt. Sorry about the text there, but there's my once a month cinnamon apple pancakes that I eat about every three weeks. 

01:02:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So I'm supposed to put one if I think it's real. 

01:02:41 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
You'll say one if it's real, two if it's fake. 

01:02:45 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Alright. 

01:02:48 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So show your answers. 

01:02:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I got one. We're all chronically online. We've all seen this tweet before. Are you kidding me? 

01:02:54 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
And you are correct, it is real GRP, with his Stimulant Pinks, which Jesse points out are not his once a month. 

01:03:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Guess which burgers they get. 

01:03:07 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Some of them would be easier than others. 

01:03:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Maybe a tiebreaker, I hope you don't include the Braille one, because that one is just. Well, we'll see. All right, tiebreaker. 

01:03:14 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I hope you don't include the braille one because like that one is just well, we'll see all right. Next up we've got. Once a month I go to. I go bet at bet rivers casino. The food is terrible but their service is b plus. My first futures bet is okc thunder to win it all plus 180. I bet teams, not numbers. Everyone with a brain knows this is the thunder's year, so one of it's real, two. If it's fake, all right, show it off. 

01:03:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Two, two two everyone goes two, it's, it's grp leaks what game it is correct, george won't bet basketball are you kidding me? 

01:03:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
and what gives it away? Because I I had it for a bit like unknown. 

01:03:46 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Everyone with a brain knows yeah, I wish I thought about cutting it out, but I think it wouldn't have been right. 

01:03:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I knew for sure. 

01:03:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't think I've ever seen grp, real grp bet nba a couple times he bet it, he was betting it this week he used to bet it a lot, okay, long time ago, where you, when he had the rest advantage you know, the guys would get home, uh, from a long road trip. They got to do their laundry, they, I think those two were a little. Gotta see the wife and kids. All right, hopefully we get into the weeds a little bit late. 

01:04:13 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Got to see the wife and kid, all right. Hopefully we get into the weeds a little bit, all right. So here is an account quote, tweeting Lucy Burge showcasing one of her bets, and it says she is so hot when she just wears these baseball jerseys. But she needs to update her profile picture. Real or fake, we all see this has to be real, it is real. 

01:04:33
Okay, it is a real. I thought I could get you guys, because all of the variants posted a version of this, because this was this was a big one. All right, so we're three for three so far. Next up, I actually bet at least one thousand dollars on each prop bet that I recommend and I prove it with a with a slip. If you have a sports gambling show and you want to guess that actually bets, I'm available. 

01:04:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You got it. This is tough. Are we ready? You got it. Two one. 

01:05:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I got real. So, what do you One? It's JRP Leaks. 

01:05:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's fake because he doesn't just bet a thousand, he bets less than a thousand on props. So Rob has real. 

01:05:09 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Jason and Jeff have fake. 

01:05:11 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:05:12 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
It is the real. 

01:05:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No way. 

01:05:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But he doesn't bet. At least he has 500 on Travis Hunter. 

01:05:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What do you want me to tell you? I know his style man, At least I think I do. 

01:05:22 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Rob's the only correct answer here I'm in the lead here, Perfect George you fucked me. 

01:05:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So Rob's in the lead now. He's bet less than 1,000 on Travis. 

01:05:30 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Oh, spoiled it. Okay, so we'll go. 

01:05:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob's in the lead. That's a big lead. 

01:05:34 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
We'll go. 

01:05:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We'll skip one. 

01:05:39 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
This one was from the Mexican restaurant Los Pollos. Sorry some beans and enchiladas. Not bad, but not like south of the border. This is the Mexican Jordan. 

01:05:49 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
The dead giveaway is Los Pollos, which is Los Pollos Hermanos. This one was in Spanish and I translated it for the segment. 

01:05:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Anyways, I think you guys would have gotten that. 

01:05:59 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, I saw that one. Next one Once a month egg salad in brackets. Mayonnaise is dangerous, Real or fake GRP. All right, I'm ready Three, two, one Real Fake Fake. So Jeff says real. 

01:06:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh, this is for last place for us. 

01:06:19 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Shit, this is GRP does not win. 

01:06:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
GRP does not win. 

01:06:24 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
It is one of the parody accounts, so Jason and Rob get points. 

01:06:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't think GRP knows how to use parentheses. I've never seen that's what the giveaway was for me. I never parentheses. 

01:06:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've never seen. That's what the giveaway was for me. He would just type it, he wouldn't put the parentheses. I don't think I'm two up on Jeff and one up on Jason. 

01:06:41 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Five for Rob, four for Jason, three for Jeff. Out of 14. Now Next one. That's a photo that was, quote, tweeted. This is the alien GRP that says I GR probes slither into Chick-fil-A four orbits yearly. The chicken sandwich C, fries B, crispy lights that make my probosis throb. Anyways, the quote tweet my fans have quite the imagination. Remember, I am the only real GRP, though. Is this the real GRP or the fake GRP? Oh, this one is so tough, all right, three, two, one Real. Two. Fake, so Jason says fake. 

01:07:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob and. 

01:07:25 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Jeff, say real, this is GRP wins no. 

01:07:30 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Let's go. I'm in big trouble. George would not capitalize real GRP I don't think he refers to. I have never seen him refer to himself as GRP. 

01:07:38 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So 5 for Rob, 5 for Jason, 3 for Jeff Damn, we're just over halfway through. Next one If you're going to eat fast food for dinner in the Chicago area, opt for a delicious combo spicy noodles over wonton soup with sweet and spicy peppers Fuck. 

01:07:55 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Wait, wait, wait. 

01:07:56 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
This one is really hard, so we have the photo here blocked out. 

01:08:00 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
This one is really tough Three, two, one. I think it's real, fake, real. I think it's real Jason and Jeff say real, rob says fake. 

01:08:09 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Guys, this is GRP Nguyen. 

01:08:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No. 

01:08:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Guys, there's no way he would use a semicolon. Oh, I missed that Delicious combo semicolon. I'm so rattled. 

01:08:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I missed that. 

01:08:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm getting done. 

01:08:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I remember there was one time where he tweeted about eating like an. 

01:08:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Asian soup. That's what all of these are. Plays off of originals they are. This is a tough game. 

01:08:33 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I'm very happy it's not as obvious, because putting it together. 

01:08:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm worried about how obvious it could be. I'm glad that it's not the case All right next up here? I don't know, man. 

01:08:41 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
We've got a tweet from ZKFucks Can't post my food with no worries now that GRP wins giving out grades and it's a photo of a meal. And the giving out grades and it's a photo of a meal and the comment reply says I do see bone wood the ham, so I respect that is that the real grp replying to this now I I'm literally playing catch up now, so I'm trying to just maybe get the opposite of you guys I don't know this one all right come up with something real two, one real. 

01:09:11
So rob and jeff say real, jason says fake I got. 

01:09:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm just trying to catch up. 

01:09:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is the real gr, oh my god, I'm gonna make yeah like he was tagged in the original yeah, that's what but these, these new imposters. 

01:09:26 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know that they're good though, but yeah, but that was my thinking. This was direct to him. George likes to reply, but I was trying to double read the questions because I wasn't reading and looking for semicolons Seven for Rob, five for Jason, four for Jeff. 

01:09:39 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So it's still in the balance here. 

01:09:40 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I got to catch Jason, Rob gets to pick the breakfast or whatever. 10 out of 15. Oh my God. 

01:09:46 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
The one that we got rid of by accident, but it's a photo of Liv Johnson at Liv Johnson TV in her outfit at the studio of Liv Johnson at Liv Johnson TV in her outfit at the studio, and the quote tweet is she looks like she has a sexy, raspy voice. 

01:10:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is that the real GRP or a fake GRP? 

01:10:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh, this is a tough one. I'm saying I have an answer. I heard what you said. 

01:10:10 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Three, two, one. 

01:10:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Fake. I didn't put the number but I got fake. Everyone says fake. Yeah, I went with fake because it's fake. 

01:10:19 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Okay, yeah, grp wins. He does this with Kelly in Vegas, but he doesn't say the sexy raspy voice, he just says the raspy voice, he doesn't. 

01:10:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I cheated and I looked up Liv Johnston just to see where this Fox station was from, and if it was from Ohio I probably would have said real, but this is Fox Atlanta. 

01:10:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Does she follow him? Does he follow her? Sorry, no, I've never seen GRP. 

01:10:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Grp has specific women he tweets about regularly and Liv Johnson's not, and Liv Johnson is not. 

01:10:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob, he's not Fox Atlanta. 

01:10:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:10:51 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
All right. 

01:10:52 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'll let that slide. 

01:10:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Next one here. I think that's good investigative research. 

01:10:56 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
The tweet is video in 30 minutes showing with a typo, showing off my haircut and NBA playoff bet. 

01:11:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Jacob, you're so good at this. 

01:11:08 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I went through like an arsenal of bookmarks. I whittled it down to 15, man. 

01:11:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You guys said that he bet nba recently and I didn't. 

01:11:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna I all right let's do it three, two, one real real. 

01:11:23 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Oh, everyone says oh, damn it it is real. 

01:11:25 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, oh my god, I was his rocket series because of the nba bet. 

01:11:31 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I thought it would get you. Because rob said earlier he doesn't bet NBA. I'm like, oh, that's going to get them, but no. 

01:11:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He bet the Rockets in the series. 

01:11:40 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Next one Having lunch at famous Taco Racco in Fort Lauderdale Excellent guacamole. Full review to come. 

01:11:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Well, like, how deep did you search? Because George any reels? I mean, I might might be in last place, but George hasn't been to Fort Lauderdale a little bit, so that's like, like you know, that was my thinking as well. 

01:12:03 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
All right three but two, oh shit all right, three, two, one. Come on, jeff, real I'm going fake I got. 

01:12:10 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm pretty sure it's also Rocco's tacos, not taco Roc. I might be wrong. 

01:12:13 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, you guys think this is the Spanish variant. 

01:12:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I think so. 

01:12:16 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
This is George. 

01:12:18 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh. 

01:12:21 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So. So, in knowing that the Spanish GRP was up earlier, I did search for GRP for any Mexican food. 

01:12:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's why I caught. But again, but again. This is what he would do on vacation. Jacob said he gave a deep, extensive, exhaustive search. I love this photo. 

01:12:40 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Am I tied right now with you? 

01:12:41 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, we are so it's nine for Rob, seven for Jason, seven for Jeff. 

01:12:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
How many are left? 

01:12:47 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
We are currently on 12, so there's three left. 

01:12:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Rob's like Dormy pretty much. 

01:12:51 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So Rob, Rob, yeah, Rob's probably going to select the meal. Don't say that. 

01:12:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, no, hold on. I got to be able to eat the meal. I'll just buy it and take a picture. 

01:13:00 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
All right, 13. Does not look good. And what's that sauce on the egg? This was a reply to what's her name, who used to work for Stacks Bradley. 

01:13:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Tabitha. 

01:13:16 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So she posted a photo of her breakfast deleted. George got it deleted or something. But it was reply to her egg breakfast at a ketchup and it says does not look good and what's that sauce on the eggs? Is that real George or fake George? 

01:13:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
are you trying to throw me off? 

01:13:29 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
you can try to like give me to change my answer. It's so tough. All All right. Three, two, one. 

01:13:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Real Fake. Oh, I'm. 

01:13:37 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Rob, here we can get one back. It is the real Joe. Yeah, they're back in it. It is 9-8-8. So Jason on 8, jeff on 8, and Rob on 9. 

01:13:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This game fucked so hard. I just smarted myself because this one was so obviously real that I thought it was fake you said it was Tabitha response. 

01:13:58 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm like Don George, george and. 

01:14:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Jacob in in a way. I did accidentally, you did accidentally give it away and how he he revealed the story I know, but he will do stuff like that, but again, jacob's done. 

01:14:11 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I missed, missed, that I'm so, like third eye that I'm pretending to, I, like you, think I'm fumbling on purpose to screw you up. All right, uh, two more to go. It's nine, eight, eight. This one has a photo. I'm having a second piece of toast, since the bread is homemade and I'm pissed. My KKXX cost me $500. It's time for a walk, real or fake. Whoa. 

01:14:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Jeff, I think, knows the answer to this one Wait wait wait. 

01:14:46 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Okay, okay, okay. Three, two, one. 

01:14:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Real, real. 

01:14:52 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Everyone says real, it is real. 

01:14:54 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh my God, I remember this. He's like One real real. Everyone says real, it is real. He's like become self-aware when we were enough that. 

01:15:05 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Parodied this that I thought maybe like you'd think it was one of the parody ones and it's like such an absurd Alright so it is 1099. 

01:15:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I hope to God you don't all. Do you have a bonus question? I don't have any. How, if we all tie, that means you have to post the photo now, jacob. And we get to pick. 

01:15:18 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, okay, no coordinating but yeah. If you all tie, okay, last one See this could be the real tweet that the other tweet. Once a month. I want egg salad for lunch and of course that means I'm going to the Jewish bagel place for a great bagel and the egg salad. Only a dummy would get egg salad at a grocery store. Parentheses mayonnaise can be dangerous. This is a tough one Okay for all the marvels. Three, two, one Real. 

01:15:52
I'm going fake. Oh my God. Okay, for all the marvels 3, 2, 1, real, I'm going fake. Oh my fucking god Give us a chance at Jacob. 

01:16:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Holy fuck. 

01:16:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Jacob worked a great game, but I got tricked the first time Because I swear I remember George once Tweeting mayonnaise can be dangerous. And that's why I fell for the earlier one. I hope I didn't fall for this one. 

01:16:16 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
So Jason and Jeff said fake. 

01:16:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, we said real. 

01:16:19 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Rob said fake, this is real. 

01:16:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's a three-way tie Wow. 

01:16:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Jacob got roped into this for no reason. Don't leave Rob hanging. What the fuck are you doing? Don't leave him hanging. 

01:16:31 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
That was crazy. So final score 10, 10, 10. Holy Jacob, that was a great game. That's chronically online behavior from us. 

01:16:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Tyler and I had a great game and I get fucking steward for it. Jacob, I'll post it with you in solidarity. What's my meal? 

01:16:47 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Something you like. 

01:16:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't want to make you post Like George does it with things he likes, he's not posting with things he doesn't like I was going to get him to do something really stupid. 

01:16:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I haven't thought about it yet, but I'd like it to be real embarrassing. 

01:16:57 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
You think about it, maybe comment what it should be. Yes, absolutely God. 

01:17:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Wow, what a segment. That was Garbage play. 

01:17:02 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Hopefully, you played along at home and you had a blast. 

01:17:05 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
To be fair though. 

01:17:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I organized a paid in so maybe I deserve. Yeah, it is what it is. There was some like good game mind tricks in there from oh yeah, jacob as well yeah and the problem was like knowing George, you know these burners. They're like, they're so good man, yeah they're so good. 

01:17:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's a great suggestion, by the way, from Frank. We should also insert a segment before and, and I hope people played along. 

01:17:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I want to know what score other people got if you played along. 

01:17:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think that would be cool to see, I'm sure most people were playing along. I don't know if they were keeping score. Keep scoring. 

01:17:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Let us know. 

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01:19:16
The next one that we have here comes from the cousin Sal and amazing NBA expert betting tips. This is the strategy that's going to make you money in the playoffs. The system bet every team nine and a half, every game minus nine and a half, no matter the matchup. Sal claimed it's worked the past two years and is rolling it out again for 2025. The night he posted this, he gave out Orlando, atlanta, golden State and Memphis all at minus 9.5 spread, with big plus money payouts attached. Is this a winning strategy? How did this? 

01:19:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
do Well. First and foremost, jeff. I seemed like he was really interested. 

01:20:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I was fascinated that you could, that he would do this. He's been doing it for three years. It actually seems quite crazy. Is this from the? 

01:20:08 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
play-in tournament. This is play-in tournament for sure. So Atlanta lost, so that didn't win. Golden State won. I don't know. 

01:20:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean whether they won or lost is in my opinion, completely irrelevant to the conversation. 

01:20:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Blind. They won or lost is, in my opinion, completely irrelevant to the conversation like this is blind. 

01:20:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Nine and a half, both sides no, it's just the favorite. 

01:20:24 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
A nine and a half, point, no no, not the favorite each time um necessarily wait, was he okay? 

01:20:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
it's gonna be a stupid question, we'll take every every team, so like both teams yeah, both sides that are playing each other. He's saying that like there's gonna be more blowouts than than you realize actually this might have been all favorites, but yes it it doesn't. 

01:20:40 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I don't think it matters if they're the favorite or not. 

01:20:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, no like no, every time I I see or hear the word system when it comes to sports betting, I die a little bit inside, because systems they do not account for the price of of the game itself. Like the price is what matters when you're betting a team minus 9.5. Not that this has happened X amount of times in the past before, and whenever you see people come up with systems like bet this team in this spot or whatever, it doesn't account for the current price. That's there. So I mean, first of all, like using the previous two years of the NBA playoffs as your sample as well. Probably not going to be a great general strategy, but what really gets me is whenever I see tweets like this. They get so much engagement. 

01:21:29
Oh yeah, and most of them are like people who truly are on board with doing this. It's actually kind of sad. 

01:21:36 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
It's because people want to be spoon-fed stuff. They don't want to think at all for themselves. And we saw it with March Madness, where it's everyone bet the underdog in the first round Last year, the underdog hit it this year before, and then they just got absolutely tortuous. This is a good recipe for growing broke quick if you're betting. 

01:21:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, the systems get solved by the market at the end of the day. I mean years ago you probably could have just blindly bet underdogs and unders. 

01:22:00
I'm talking a couple of decades ago and been profitable and then eventually the market just catches up and especially when stuff becomes public like this, got so much engagement. If it was a real thing, these minus nine and a halves would not be priced the way that they are Like, everyone would just catch on to them. But um, it does bring me back to my youth, where I would look at stuff like this and be very intrigued. 

01:22:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'll tell you it's also also buying point. 

01:22:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean like I really only know buying points from an nfl sense, but like I assume it can't be great as either in basketball I just assume, not like I think a lot of the alt lines are probably poorly priced, yeah, or like priced in a way that it's gonna be difficult for for the better yeah, yeah. 

01:22:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know about this. Seems crazy and again like you said, any system, it's just it's so useless because it doesn't sometimes doesn't even know what the price is going to be, a hundred percent. That being said, no, I feel like I trust me. I don't even bet MBA and I'd say this is more of a thing than a system. But like wasn't there. This could be like 10 years old now. Some insane trend of like when the favorite would lose game one in the NBA Zigzag Zigzag theory that they just dominated. 

01:23:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It wasn't the favorite, it was whoever covered the spread in game one of the playoff series of NBA. You bet against them in game two. 

01:23:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It was called the zigzag theory and I think that worked like mark lawrence would come on with morenci, like every tuesday, and we'd do this there. 

01:23:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't want to say like, over time you can definitely pick up on things that haven't been accounted for in the market yet. Right, and maybe there was actually something to that. 

01:23:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But that just seems more of a coincidence is what you're saying. 

01:23:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Lots of times I mean, first of all, too many times people deal with a really small sample size and they ignore that it could just be randomness. Like that happens a lot. It's like if you, if you, were to do this for every nba playoff game for the last couple years, you're still looking at a very small sample in the grand scheme of things. So that is one of these things. It's not to say that you can't find some sort of inefficient pricing, but especially if you're going to make it public like this and you have the following that Cousin Sal does and presumably other people start to tweet about it as well, it's almost certainly not a real thing. 

01:24:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Who's Cousin Sal again? Is he the ringer? What is he? 

01:24:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Cousin Sal was yeah. 

01:24:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Jimmy Kimmel's buddy. 

01:24:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He used to be on Fox Sports 1 with Clay Travis and Todd Furman, jimmy Kimmel's buddy, yeah, okay, yeah, I found him funny for a long time. Do you remember the old? You would not remember this. 

01:24:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Remember when Jimmy Kimmel was on Fox like pregames, yeah, making fun of Terry Bradshaw every week. 

01:24:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
How long Jimmy Kimmel? Oh, jimmy Kimmel used to give picks. This is more, even sports betting he would just give buddy, it was, it's straight up. 

01:24:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
What year was that? You wouldn't even know, jimmy Kimmel you wouldn't like Jimmy Kimmel? Yeah, just chugged beer and like gawked ohed tits. 

01:24:58 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh yeah, and now he's like libtard Jimmy, top bun done up all the time Like ABC Mickey Mouse Jimmy. 

01:25:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Crying over the result of elections and stuff like that. 

01:25:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So wait, what year was this, though? I want to say that I was 2000. Holy smokes, we missed out, Like when you would actually watch pregame shows. 

01:25:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There was no red zone leading into games Kimmel used to come on. He'd always give four picks. Three of them were favorites, not against the spread, so he'd pick like a six-point favorite to win. Be like, I like the Bengals this week, I like the Cowboys, I like that. And then it would be the underdog pick and sometimes he didn't even really give out an underdog, they were like favorite again on the spread or whatever, but it was a pick segment. 

01:25:39
But it was humorous. He used to just like roast Terry Bradshaw, howie Long, all those guys, and it was in my opinion really funny back in the day. 

01:25:51 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Interesting Anyways, that's just I'm sorry to go back. I just thought of something. I'm pretty sure my theory is on the last GRP wins one. I'm pretty sure. I just thought about it. I think rob knew this was the correct, what the correct answer was, but he got it wrong because he knew they would get you two would get it right and it would make it a tie this is. 

01:26:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This is tinfoil jacob coming in hot I just thought about that while you were talking well watch the edit watch the watch, the raw footage and maybe you know what you can't slip anything by jacob uh that is precisely what happened. 

01:26:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I actually pretty sure I said it quietly into the mic as I was. If you, you'll catch that in post-production, right but I did say we're having. 

01:26:31 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Technically I'm not monitoring the audio today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

01:26:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Hey, it's my game I made so it's still hung up on that poor guy man. It's 10 minutes's. 10 minutes later, he's still. 

01:26:40 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
No, I mean, I didn't want to interrupt you. Just wait a second. Whoa, wait a second. 

01:26:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No. 

01:26:44 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Hey, I made the game, I made the rules, so I take all the blame, all right. Next topic here NFL embracing betting, when maybe they didn't in the past, but now they are changing at. Butler Bets posted this here on Twitter the NFL is hiring a sports betting researcher who will help produce betting-related content for NFL Network, the NFL website and the league's social media platforms. So NFL very much now leaning into betting as part of its public content strategy, despite years pretty much pretending the betting scene didn't exist. Is this good for the league? Is it bad for the league to embrace betting like this? What do you think? 

01:27:24 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I. I'm just shocked they didn't hire internally get like jameson williams or someone like that to go up on there and be the guy, but anyways, calvin ridley like, while this seems in theory like it's a good thing, I don't know that it's in practice actually going to work. 

01:27:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Just as an example, I know a couple people who are like betting research people at espn. They are so smart, they are great advantage bettors who do great betting for themselves. None of that translates to the people who are put in front of the camera there to do it. So like what does this mean? Like there are people already in places that are very smart bettors, that know betting, that know exactly everything they want, but that doesn't correlate to it showing up in a concise segment or being delivered to an audience. 

01:28:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Um, like what they're thinking once it goes through yes produce other producers and the hosts that's well said like, in my opinion, the nfl. They shouldn't embrace betting as much as possible, because this, like, whether you like it or not, it's betting and fantasy sports that drive the nfl like if. If those don't exist, the league it's. It's nothing relative to what it is now, so they should embrace betting. You can have betting related content. 

01:28:53
That and like really elevates the content or at least it is part of the conversation a little bit more, like if you're having an MVP conversation for example, you should be incorporating the odds and what the current markets are as part of the discussion on the MVP, in my opinion, rather than having a panel of people talk about this guy's my MVP and then you go look at the odds, like 250 to one, he has no chance. 

01:29:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's stupid dumb content, or even him his guy being nine to one and him look at the odds like 250 to 1. 

01:29:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
he has no chance. 

01:29:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Go bet it that stupid, dumb comment, or even him, his guy being 9 to 1 and him yelling at the guy whose guy is minus 220. Like these aren't the same arguments anymore. 

01:29:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Betting odds and markets can apply context to the conversation With. That said, I have zero faith in the NFL network, the NFL website or the league social media platforms to roll this out in a way that isn't going to be like Urban Meyer's stint with the Jaguars. Basically, It'll be like a complete fucking failure. Like look at NFL Red Zone right. I like Scott Hansen, I think he's a good host and to do what he does in real time. I don't think people realize how challenging it is to go from game to game. 

01:30:00
But even as they enter red zone during the week and he's rhyming off the odds for each game, why do they list the money line odds? 

01:30:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It doesn't even make any sense to me that they wouldn't? 

01:30:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We're all betting the spreads. Why on the red zone screen when they're showing game by game? I have the DraftKings money line odds. It's not even the primary market. I have the DraftKings money line odds. It's not even the primary market. 

01:30:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I have just no faith in this to be rolled out correctly how they should do this is a top-down approach where the producers and the hosts and whoever's going to be talking about this stuff they say what we're going to talk about and then the betting-related content goes through. That, instead of maybe what it sounds like is looking for a bottom-up approach where the sport the, the sports bank researcher will say like we like this, this, this or this. You guys talk about that. I don't know if it'll work like that. I don't know if it'll like. Sorry if it. If that's how they implement it, I don't think it will work. 

01:30:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah and I think the person they hire is likely to be like a great, bright person who's an excellent gambler, but I have no faith that it will correlate to the type of segments that, um, people would enjoy. 

01:31:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I think it's really challenging to to do so to me. Like I said I would, I would use it to apply additional context to existing topics already. There are other ways that you can generate, like conversations around odds markets. It happens all the time. You see a lot of these offshores just post random fucking markets on like will the aliens invade by the year? 

01:31:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
2030?. 

01:31:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And then like somebody's talking about it on a podcast, like you can, but to me no, but of course, because it helps facilitate conversation. 

01:31:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
All of June and July there's a guy's receiving prop yes, and that facilitates a whole conversation around the player, around the offense, around the quarterback, around the coach. So you could take odds on anything and have it be a gateway to other conversations. 

01:32:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, good point. All right, chopping block for this week. I think we got six tweets in here that we didn't want to or really couldn't turn into a massive segment, but we do appreciate your hashtag Circle Back on Twitter per usual, so let's get to a few of them here. 

01:32:18 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Joe Hashtag Circle Back, not circles. I know the channel circles off, but circle back. First one was Joe Osborne replied to Jeff Nadeau's post and said enjoy watching WrestleMania, jeff. And Jeff Nadeau, who's on our Friday show quote, tweeted and said why the fuck would I watch that? I'm a grown adult. Can grown adults enjoy WrestleMania? 

01:32:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Sport of Kings. 

01:32:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Absolutely. Yeah, I'm out on Jeff's take here. I'm not a wrestling fan anymore. I'll make that abundantly clear. I have no issues with a grown adult though enjoying it's just basically a male soap opera. 

01:32:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's all. It is Well, not even just male. 

01:32:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's a lot of female, but like you know what I'm getting at. 

01:32:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Where did Jeff tweet that he responded? 

01:33:01 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, that's what I want to know is the original tweet to this. I'll find it right now. 

01:33:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think he said no, I do remember he said he's going out tonight to enjoy some Stella's. 

01:33:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, or something like that Stella time, I mean listen. 

01:33:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I watched the end of the main event after the hockey game. Yeah, you didn't have a dual screen experience. 

01:33:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I heard not not good, uh, not, I thought I was really stupid. I don't know what happened, other than the. 

01:33:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I watched the clip of stone cold coming in on the atv and just smashing it into the rail and I could see how there are a lot of like upset older wrestling fans because travis scott came in and interfered with the main event of Wrestlemania and it's like that's fine, make him part of the show. 

01:33:45
But like you're not, I'm not saying he's not hyper famous and popular. The guy's a McDonald's combo, that's ultra level famous. But you're not of like the Mike Tyson level of athlete where you should be involved in deciding who wins the. 

01:34:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They are the main, the main event of the mains, bro, but it's 2025 I guess so travis scott is that he is, yeah, sure, like, whether you like it or not, those celebrities nowadays. A lot of influencers nowadays are as big. 

01:34:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I thought it was just too prestigious, not that I actually actually care and I watch. I haven't watched wrestling. 

01:34:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I told you this, but like when Cena had his heel turn. By the way, jeff Nadeau, I'm totally out on this tape. 

01:34:27 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
When. 

01:34:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Cena had his heel turn. Travis Scott was in the ring at the time that it happened. And to me I found that, like I'm an old school guy, I'm like I found it like the moment is too big for even Travis Scott to be there. But as I think about it more, it's like no, that is like yeah, fair enough Nowadays, that's the way the world works, but this is why I think it's okay to be. 

01:34:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
To your point. I liked WrestleMania to steal the idea of maybe the two day Super Bowl show. 

01:34:56 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah. 

01:34:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Because they do the two days now. 

01:34:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They split it up. Yeah, because they do the two days now they split it up. Well, and even being in vegas, they were done at like eight o'clock local time and you think they should play both? 

01:35:07
uh, the first half of the super bowl on the saturday and the second half on sunday, with the props your prop show, but then you would just have people even more insulted, that you even have more like these people who think they're going to be included and they can have my spot, and now we've opened up even more time and they still didn't make the cut You'll have even like that'll even be like a harder letdown, by the way, what I do appreciate about Nadeau is he's the best. 

01:35:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I read that tweet and even though I strongly disagree with it. It's actually so funny, like the verbiage why? The fuck would I watch that? I'm a grown adult. It's really good. 

01:35:44 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Next we hear some old takes exposed sort of content here. Joey Knish, during the third quarter of the Pistons-Knicks game, tweeted told myself I wasn't going to let myself believe in this series. Now we're up nine late, third quarter game one, and Brunson is hurt. I'm yelling bad boys. 

01:36:01
And the Pistons, of course, went on to lose this game in game, one to the Knicks and Maple Money at Maple Metrics hashtag circle back for us. But that wasn't the only old takes exposed. One got pretty popular from a frequent person on this show at Shady Beef who posted, who posts pics online and tweeted if you bet the over 11 this game, you're legit fucking brain dead, it was middle seven it was 2-1 Cubs. 

01:36:30
The Diamondbacks had a 10 run 8. 10 run, 8 inning I think it was, and the Cubs ended up winning 13, 11 or it was 21 runs in an it and a half after this guy tweeted it. It sailed over the 11 and a half, and then BR Betting picked it up said, Calling your bet a winner moments before it all crumbles. 

01:36:51
We've all been there and it's a screenshot from the other guys where Will Ferrell's character says Did that go the way you thought it was going to go? Nope. And then also baseball images that precede unfortunate events at unfortunate. Mlb also posted a screenshot of this when it was 2-1, and shady you've actually posted a screenshot himself yeah, he didn't. 

01:37:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He didn't, he didn't like hide from it. No, uh, which is which is the right way to approach it in those situations at the end of the day, like we've. We've had this conversation before. I love every single time that this happens, because the person looks like a complete idiot for tweeting something but there's really no upside in you tweeting something like that until the game is over. I guess the upside is engagement if you're wrong which some people will just view as like I got a bunch of engagement. 

01:37:33
I would prefer people don't think I'm a complete fucking idiot. That's not how I want to generate my engagement, but I, I, but I have a good laugh. Kanisha is the king of doing these. By the way, kanisha has done this 100 times before 100. 

01:37:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean you take that out, like you said, he didn't hide from it. He realized, like shit, the internet called my number today. I better step up for it, and that's how we play the game. The Knicks probably outscored the Pistons by like 25. After Kanish's tweet too. Yeah, it was going to happen regardless. 

01:38:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like it's not going to Kanish mush them or anything like that, but like just maybe when you take the like you got the worst team of the two. Like pump the brakes, hold on until the game's over. When we're in the, our lease expires here. I'll just let the audience in on what goes on behind the scenes. We're done with this studio in a couple months and we're moving to a new spot. I do want to create a studio where we just print out all of knish's horrible over the year and just put them all up like newspapers. 

01:38:31
That's good, yeah, he has, so there are too many over the course of the years to you. Remember the video he did when the Lions hired Dan Campbell. 

01:38:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh yeah, he was freaking out. 

01:38:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We're going to bite everyone's ankles and this and that. Like what are we doing as an organization? I want a short Knish stock however, I can. However, I can, whatever it takes. He has. 

01:38:56 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Other side. Other side. Next one comes from Chinamaniac, well-respected in the gambling space. He's been a guest on a circles off interview before posted this six hours to set up. Today, over 13,000 steps to get this done. I'm requesting a Jeff Feinberg patio review, and it's a bunch of photos of the patio that he has set up. So, jeff, what do you think about this? What do you rate this? 

01:39:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean, it's just fabulous, like incredible work, incredible interlocking. 

01:39:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He did this himself no, I, I think it was just the interlock must have been done. I assume the interlock is okay, listen. 

01:39:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It looks like a beautiful setup on the water Furniture. 

01:39:39 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
TV, I assume. 

01:39:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Right. People say you know you can't make a living pro-bedding Looks like he's doing great. I don't know. I love this. It's like a summer home on like the shore or something. It just looks awesome this is a great backyard. I'd love to be sitting out there on a beautiful day relaxing, but I don't know what I'm giving props for, like putting the furniture out, or he actually like laid the freaking. Well, it's To be fair. No, it looks good. Okay, great Five star. Sorry, I thought I was. 

01:40:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm gonna be more critical. 

01:40:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I like it. 

01:40:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know what am. 

01:40:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I Well, they asked for your patio review. 

01:40:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
First and foremost, the chairs around the fire pit, to be the muscogee they need to be the muscogee chairs okay, I'm nitpicking, this is a great backyard, okay. But you know, when you go on iron chef and the chef presents you with like a great dish and you're like this is amazing. But here's what I would do slightly differently. That's what I'm going at here. That second of all, you see this umbrella on the right side. That umbrella is going to go flying at some point there's not. 

01:40:37
There's not enough uh weight to that base well we can't really see the base, okay. Third thing, final thing, then I'm, then I'm moving on that barbecue. It's tucked very far in the corner there I can't tell if there's a door. 

01:40:53 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I was gonna make a door to the barbecue. 

01:40:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I can't tell if there's a door to go outside where that barbecue is, but if there's not, you got to find a better position for the barbecue that's closer to the door. It's also uncovered at that area, so if it were to rain, you potentially don't have some well, but there's a cover on it. No, no, the barbecue cover. But I'm saying like the yeah, but like the bar. 

01:41:13 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
But what's the point of having a barbecue cover if you're gonna cover the barbecue? 

01:41:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
no, I'm just. I'm saying okay, you sometimes want a spot where you can grill if it's raining, that's fair. 

01:41:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It looks like he's got one of those things that'll pull over the table where the TV is to get the shade 100%. Yeah, it looks like he's ready for summer. You know what? 

01:41:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think maybe after we stop in. 

01:41:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Illinois at a. 

01:41:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
CGRP. We'll make a stop in. I think he's in Connecticut. Oh, I thought he was in China, I'm kidding, stop in? 

01:41:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
uh, I think he's in connecticut oh, I thought he was in china. 

01:41:44 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Okay, okay, uh. Next tweet here sean perry got a little bit exposed here. 

01:41:49
So rob coon I guess k-u-h-n says sean perry recognizing sean perry truly amazing behavior. So sean perry tweeted if you are still on the sidelines, dm me and I will change your entire sports betting experience. I'm the greatest ever. Do it and it's a self-reported 26-4 Supermax run, whatever that means. And the first reply is from Sean Perry, the exact same account saying real recognizes real. And John Govde pointed this out to us, saying he forgot to log on with his burners and tagged Rob. Use hashtag circle back next time, but tag Rob to see this one. 

01:42:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sean Perry worst of all time. 

01:42:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He is such an idiot. I actually think this might not even be an accidental forgetting to log out of the burn. I was about to say the exact same thing. 

01:42:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would not put this past, sean Perry, to have actually done this for engagement. Like he is the only person I think I know that truly values all types of engagement, no matter what, even if it's somebody responding to him 10 tweets responding to him of like you're an idiot, you forgot to log out of your burner account. He values that. So I don't even know that he didn't log out of a burner. I think he might have actually done that. 

01:43:11 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I think you're giving him too much credit here. I think he's just a fucking idiot who didn't log into his burner. 

01:43:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just see this. I still still I can't believe. Elf pretends to be mad at this guy and Rob this Rob Kuhn. I see he's putting $100,000 on elf. Yeah, I don't know which doesn't even seem real to me. I thought there were limits on I'm yeah it doesn't seem real to me, or maybe he's making the bet with Sean directly yeah. I want action on no fight occurring on the day of the scheduled fight. I'll do that with you. That's the fight. I want no fight on the day of the scheduled fight. 

01:43:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What odds would you do that? Your theory is that Sean will pull out of the fight. 

01:43:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, he just won't fight the morning of. He'll literally be like tricked you, elf. 

01:43:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, he's so lame, he could actually do that. 

01:44:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Fuck, of course he can. What? 

01:44:02 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
odds you want. I'm asking Jeff what odds he wants maybe we'll discuss this six to one, six to one that it's not gonna happen. 

01:44:09 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah, no, no chance. I'd take six. I I would. I don't think the fight's happening. I'd play it six to one yeah, five to one. 

01:44:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I wouldn't take the other side, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put them, I was on, I I dropped in the spaces and asked Al for an odd for that I wouldn't put them on. 

01:44:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Here's the thing I was on. I dropped in the spaces and asked Al Fernod for that last night and what's funny is like of a lot of people who are in the inner circle, like you think people in the inner circle would like want the bet. Oh yeah. They don't even want the bet. 

01:44:39
But Rob, I just have a question to Rob, or to the gamblers out there, because we do a lot on here about people who sell picks and what sort of value they can bring and like. It's one thing, maybe you can be winning better yourself, but selling the picks, getting the people the numbers, it's just a whole different animal. I know it's not the same, but what do you feel about this Internet marketplace of like selling poker lessons? 

01:45:03
yeah, it's tough so and like sure, if you're like a low, low level poker player, even I could like teach you something that might be insightful sure, but can you teach it like to the level? 

01:45:14
that may be a higher level pro, no, but I mean like it like if you are it like a beginner, anyone could teach you things that you could carry. I'm just saying is there a lot of heat on those people for being scammers? I'm not calling anyone a scammer, I swear. I'm just saying we give so much heat for people who sell picks. I'm sure in the poker space is there a lot of like that guy selling advice is a scam? 

01:45:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think so, like so. When Daniel Negreanu did his masterclass, I remember that it was met very negatively by the poker community as well, similar to when I was part of the sports betting masterclass. It's not surprising, because the reality is you can only teach so much, because the reality is you can only teach so much, and you know there will be good poker players who watch the Daniel Negreanu masterclass. They're not going to get anything from out of it, but there's going to be lower level poker players who do and they might learn a couple things. Now, could they learn those things elsewhere? Sure, absolutely they could. They could probably find some free resources to teach them that kind of stuff. So I do think your your question, jeff that they are viewed in the same light like anyone who's selling courses in anything now, why do you need to sell a course? 

01:46:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
can't you just go to a table and win money? It's like the same thing. Why do I need to sell picks? Can't you just make so much money betting your great picks? 

01:46:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I so for me. 

01:46:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Those who who can't do teach. Is it like one of those things, or different, I think? 

01:46:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
that's a very like, and obviously I'm biased, because this whole brand Circles Off was built off of education and teaching in some way, so I have like my opinions on that and, candidly, I've been very upfront with the audience about this. I'm not going to teach what my biggest edges are nowadays. I'm not going to tell you how to create an NHL model, for example, and what I did from starting from scratch and how I've, you know, changed it over the course of the years. It's still a big edge for me. There are things that I will teach, though, that I think are more common knowledge. People should know, and even just by learning like some very basic concepts, make them a better, better and and I'm not like- labeling anyone anything because, at the same time. 

01:47:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Maybe it's just like you could someone teaching you how to play an instrument or taking a golf lesson, like clearly you will improve simply by participating in those things. So maybe it's like that and not how I explained it, it's just the industry. 

01:47:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's a little bit different, because I took guitar lessons when I was young and then I got to a point where I'm like I'm not getting much out of these lessons anymore. I'm just going to teach myself or I can learn via YouTube now because there's so many good resources out there. But generally people who give guitar lessons have to know how to play the guitar and how music works, how to read sheet music and stuff like that. There's like qualifications where if I go get a lesson from an instructor and I say, hey, teach me how to play, smells like teen spirit and he can't play it and I'm like, well, we got a real problem here. This guy doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. In sports betting, poker there's the amount of grift relative to the under industries is big. But I will say, even in golf like years ago I was working with an instructor I got to play a round of golf with him guy shot like a 94. I'm like see you later, dude. 

01:48:36
Like we're like I'm sorry, I'm I like you as a guy, but you know you can't take your own advice and like I'm not going to learn from you. So I think each industry has like a different level of grift, so to speak, and in sports betting, poker it's it's pretty high, unfortunately, if that makes sense poker. 

01:48:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It seems off the charts. 

01:48:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think would be the highest of them all. I'll teach you how to make $1,000 in a day trading this and that. It's like, yeah, okay, like 30 times leverage on certain, like that's not going to work for me, but all these industries are like that in some capacity, if you can market yourself well, Next tweet comes from at GB Pickham, Stephen Golden, saying this seriously what it's come to? 

01:49:20 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
It's a screenshot from a PPH account, I think, and it says info this account is suspended of being used by a professional syndicate. It is either using an automated betting system or is being hand bet by individuals connected to get down larger amounts of money. This type of action is in violation of our posted rules and usually involves deception about the account holder's identity, which is also in violation of our posted rules. So is this seriously what it's come to? But, as pointed out by at I Run so Bad 1, Hitman posted this exact. Well, I'll give the other person credit. They say cropped it. 

01:49:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I knew you were going to say that. 

01:49:59 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Hitman posted just a full screenshot. But, uh, hitman posted any excuse not to pay with that exact same thing and this person cropped it, but didn't crop it enough to get rid of the entire black border it looks like which is in the hitman tweet, so very obviously stole it from hitman and then, when questioned, like hitman posted this first he's like yeah, I, I saw it there. Aren't we surprised? 

01:50:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
this is what the industry's come to and then eventually replied. 

01:50:27 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
First reply said credit to hitman but didn't tag him. Just hitman typed out anyways stealing tweets he got god, he got at the end of the day he tried to. 

01:50:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What was that guy's name? Why do I know that account? I'm pretty sure he's GB Pickham. Gb Pickham Steven Golden. I feel like I've come across this account and maybe the avatar is different than it used to be. I don't know. I feel like I know this account in some capacity. At the end of the day, he took Hitman's tweet, which was Hitman being cut from a book, and he posted it as his own without giving credit to Hitman, and he intentionally whether he says so or not made it seem like it was him that was being cut off from this account. 

01:51:09
It is a level of clout chasing. When he got got, he gave the credit. I think it's as clear as day. 

01:51:15 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
I've got something to say on this because I've been doing content for a long time. I've had content stolen before. If I ever, like you, ever, call out somebody for stealing your content, a lot of times They'll say, like you know, it's free content. Like, yeah, what are you gonna do about? Like, you're allowed to like steal content, but you're also allowed to get shit on for stealing. The content works both ways. 

01:51:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So you could also just credit them. It takes you so yeah, you could do that as well, and yeah, like you said, it was obviously very clear he wanted to make it seem like he was the one. As someone who's like a pick seller, he wants to make it seem like he's the one who's being cut off, because that's like almost a marketing thing. 

01:51:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Of course it makes it look like and listen he might be cut off from other accounts before to make it seem like it happened to him. 

01:51:59 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
That's as simple as that Next one, Elf from the Spaces, Failed. The 24-hour stream Said damn boys, the Spaces crashed around 4.30 am last night. I guess we have to run it back another time. This is the first time we failed on the Elf show. This is a weird feeling. Listen, Elf ain't like the king Omar at Penny Pit Victim. We did it, guys, 132 hours straight show. Let's see how many hours we can put on our official record. Thanks to everyone who hangs out every day the cast and crew, writers, room groupies and our sponsors Tags a bunch of sponsors. 

01:52:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You also tagged Elon Musk and Grock so yeah. 

01:52:39 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Elf can't even do 24, but Omar's doing 132. I think we know who the better show is. 

01:52:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I got to say this Obviously I have some personal beef with Omar I got to say it's pretty impressive to do 132 hours straight. I did not listen to a second. I don't know what the dead air was. I don't know if this guy slept and there was other people called. I don't know what the deal was here. But regardless, to be live for that long straight is actually impressive. Like this is someone who does a five hour super bowl prop stream and like, by the time I'm done that I'm fucking spent. It's like I've worked 24 hours straight, 132 hours straight. I will give you credit for doing that. The longevity, it's like somebody jokingly said. It's like the Cal Ripken Jr streak Ironman streak. But I gotta say as well on this topic, at what point does this just become the most egotistical thing ever? This is the most ego-driven who in their right mind wants to consume content from someone who's been live for the last 80 hours? Do you know what I'm getting at? Yeah, 100%. 

01:53:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
There's actually. Listen, I like watching Twitch. I watched Twitch a lot when I was a lot younger. There were people who do subathons and what a subathon is. Every time you sub, they would continue streaming. There was someone who did a subathon for an entire month and what was interesting about it was that they planned segments out every single day. They did their bits. Whatever with this, he just clicks, go live and then lets other people talk and, like I know omar obviously tunes in, but you can't tell me he wasn't sleeping through this stream. There's no way. You were up for 132 hours straight and what was happening when those two people were tuned in at night and everyone was just asleep, was just dead silence. 

01:54:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean it could have been, because I mean that's mostly the Omar show from my experience is is. I mean it will put me to Sleep. 

01:54:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, from from listening. Listen, you said that, not me. I'm already gonna get some fucking gift tweeted at me from Omar based off what I said and like some sort of clown Space is. 

01:54:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's kind of embarrassing, though, if you are going to, if the shtick is that Omar went live for this long period of time, we're going to do 24 hours straight and then the space is crashed and you can't even do that. That's also not a great look. 

01:54:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You didn't even tell everyone about our new sponsor. 

01:54:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Where are you going with this? 

01:54:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The Scammer Boxing League. What the Scammer Boxing League? What boxing league is this Elf's Boxing League? It's their new sponsor. Yeah, the Scammers fight. Fights don't really happen. 

01:55:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Everybody just posts videos of them to social, where they're sparring. 

01:55:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Uncle Mal is sitting in some bags. Where do you think they go after Perry as a big fan? What's the next? 

01:55:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
storyline. 

01:55:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Patrick Mahomes' dad Like I don't know, yeah, that's what we else want to know He'll be looking for his next fight. 

01:55:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You know we'll see what happens next. That's Brian. 

01:55:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I guess. I mean he's apparently going to have to address these accusations that he bought 10,000 Instagram followers as well. 

01:55:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It. It seems like Alpha is going. 

01:55:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If that's true, I give people the benefit of the doubt. It is maybe my downfall, because lots of people jump to conclusions. I think it would be pretty easy to frame someone. I could buy 10K Instagram followers for someone for $40 and easily call them out for doing it. 

01:55:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
How do you put I don't even know how that works. How could you do that? Onto my account? 

01:55:56 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You just put your account in, I just put the handle in and say Feinberg17. It would be pretty easy. 

01:56:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not saying someone did, but if he bought his own Instagram followers. We are getting pretty much into like I don't like to use the S word, but we're getting into that territory, we've spoken about this a bit off air and that he does have a bit of Twitter followers. 

01:56:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He doesn't really have any Instagram followers. Twitter followers are incredibly hard to monetize yes, Like incredibly hard, they're not worth a ton but and Instagram followers are worth a lot more, but he doesn't have any. I will say, so you have to buy some. 

01:56:34 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Instagram does gatekeep you from doing certain things at like at 10k. So once you pass 10k you can do like oh yeah, I think like links to links from stories and like sell merch through your instagram, so I can see why someone would be incentivized to do that. So I don't think so I don't think he someone trolled him and did that. 

01:56:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think he did it himself yeah, it's very it's, and it's a favorite, big favorite. Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know for sure, I don't even know what we're doing. 

01:56:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We saw him buy followers, yeah. 

01:57:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He went from like less than a hundred followers to over a thousand. 

01:57:02 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I also don't think that it's that big of a deal for him, at least on Instagram. Well, you're right, because there, there are. 

01:57:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There are thresholds you have to meet in order to be able to access certain features of Instagram. It's no different than YouTube. I do agree though too. 

01:57:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like, actually like. That's why people like Twitter spaces aren't. I guess you could in some ways. If you hit on something, you should be able to monetize it a bit, but they're hard yeah it's true, you might need it to go live on Instagram. 

01:57:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Honestly, anyways. 

01:57:34 - Jaccob Gramegna (Host)
Yeah. 

01:57:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right, not sure you should do that. 

01:57:37 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
That's probably why you bought the followers. 

01:57:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Exactly, that makes sense. 

01:57:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's going to do it for this week's show. A reminder circle back this week. Small change it's out on Thursday with the B team Jacob Joey, kanish Fluff and Jeff Nadu. Thursday this week instead of Friday. Look forward to that. In the morning, 8 am, and, of course, tune in Takes by Jay on the Forward Progress YouTube channel. That will be on Thursday night, 8 pm, eastern time for the NFL Draft. We've got a bunch of guests joining, including Jeff Feinberg later on in the show as well, so check that out over on Forward Progress. Make sure you hit up our sponsors at Underdog. Smash that like button down below. Make sure you're subbed here on Circles Off as well. Peace out.