You're WRONG About NFL Training Camp | Presented by Kalshi

00:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Coming up in today's episode of Circle Back mustache at sloan analytics when you were there we have a great portfolio of futures to like. 

00:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Offset that, by the way. If someone loses 46 units in a year, do you think they're tailing these futures place like who is betting this stuff afterwards as well? 

00:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
like bro, if you're gonna shit yourself in front of us, at least like acknowledge you made kaki. It doesn't smell like roses. 

00:41 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
The room is a mess, agreed, someone's gotta get clean up disclaimer the content presented in this show is intended for entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed are those of the host and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of any individuals or organizations mentioned. Statements made about public figures or entities are based on publicly available information and are not intended to harm or defame any person or business. This show relies on fair use of social media posts, which are presented in good faith for the purpose of commentary and criticism. 

01:38 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions. It's circle back here on the circles off channel. It's part of the hammer betting network and it's presented by cal she. This is the show where we cover the latest and the greatest stories on gambling Twitter, with myself as host, jason Cooper Filling in for Jacob Gromenio. We have, along with myself, the normal Tuesday crew I was about to say Friday crew. Rob Pizzola, ceo of the Hammer Betting Network, pro Sports Better. In the second chair, kirk Evans, seasoned NBA better. And then finally, jeff, someone who complains about heat on the golf course is what I was told to make your name your intro for today Fucking hot out. 

02:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I played in a two-day member guest in that heat Walked or cart. Well, you have to cart for pace of play, it's not even an option. It was hot. Listen, it was fine, it was fun. Walk their cart well, you have to cart for pace of play, it's not even an option. It's high. Listen, it was fine, it was fun. But um, you know the knees sore, the shoulders sore and you can't complain with the wife with three kids, are you abandoned for two days to play in six matches that you're like sore because of golf. So the pro tip is like, yes, you're sore because of golf, but you've got to like fall down. You got to like pretend you just tumbled a couple steps on the stairs or chasing a kid. You've got to like fake an injury doing something else but like really you're down because of golf but you can't like talk out because you got no equity for that oh man, this I I've never resonated with something more. 

03:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't have kids, but I deal with the same stuff. I golf a lot. I have golfer's elbow. I had to move a table with my wife in the backyard like a a patio table this week and this thing was just firing so hard. She's like what's going on or whatever. 

03:19 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I'm like oh, I rolled over in the middle of the night. Yeah, they have no sympathy if I said it was a golf injury. 

03:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
the response is obviously going to be like well then, golf less, don't golf anymore. That's not an option, obviously. 

03:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I will say. The one thing I do envy about your lifestyle, I guess, is the way to put it without the kids, without sort of an open schedule, is you should be taking advantage of. Like twilight golf, like that's what I miss from. Like take me back like a decade, 15 years, like twilight golf, there's nothing better yeah there's nothing better young, young guys out there like you think you have it good like these. These are the best days when you can golf in twilight that is the pride. 

04:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There's times I'll just eat dinner and then afterwards I'll tell my wife I'm going to go golfing. She's like are you going to play? I'm like no, I'm just going to go to the course and there's no one else out. I just go, I play a couple balls. I do like nine holes. It's amazing. 

04:17 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, I played my first solo round on Saturday night, twilight alone out there raining, one of the best nights of my life. If I'm being honest, it was incredible. 

04:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I will say Rob, for a guy who loves golf so much. I get a lot of rejections Just put it out there. 

04:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say he does invite me out a lot. 

04:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, so I don't know what that says. 

04:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm busy. 

04:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Golf's all the time he wants me to go tomorrow. 

04:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm taking my nephew to Wonderland tomorrow. 

04:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Okay, fine. So then I'm like Thursday I'm going to Chicago, Rob is like I'm out after Bet Bash I'm getting home for like three days. 

05:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I already have rounds booked for those days that I'm home and then I'm back at Bet Bash. I'm done. 

05:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's my life Like my friend who's busy like who you know, I'm not the great best with returning calls he's like I'll call you, I'll call you twice. That's fine, but I promise you I'm not calling you a third time, yeah. 

05:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Keep inviting me, I'll happen. I also OJ around at some point. 

05:20 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I haven't forgotten about that. Speaking of myself. I was going to throw myself in here quickly. Guys, jeff, you've never invited me to a round. 

05:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're telling me you get rejections all the time from Rob. He's giving you his Jays tickets on the third baseline. 

05:34 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, I'm cool with that you know what those tickets are worth now I believe it. 

05:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm going away this week, I had to sell a pair pair. There's a lot of losing years, a lot of can't give away tickets. Now it's crazy what the tickets are worth. 

05:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right you have to love someone, to give them to them I mean, I don't know what that's saying about your relationship with jason. No, that was before they got hot. That was right before they got hot. Now he's not getting no shot no shot, no shot, all right. 

06:02 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Well, we are in the dead heat of the summer and that means the first topic of the day today is going to be about training camp. A lot of conversation on training camp. You feel like you see this every single year, but this year, in my opinion, feels a little bit more amplified. From Lockie Lockerson right here training camp so far Everyone's in the best shape of their life, playing multiple positions and thriving, except Everyone's in the best shape of their life, playing multiple positions and thriving, except for the Colts who apparently suck, which is a great, great tweet. And then a follow up. He said also Justin Fields' toe hurts. He has a boo-boo, which is hilarious because I remember I saw him. The Jets reporters are saying he was carted off the field. Isn't every player carted off the field when they get an injury in training camp? Because it's so far from the facility Like you physically need to cart them there, unless you want them to walk really far. Anyways, a couple more tweets to get through. Rob, this is one of your own tweets Scrolling through NFL training camp reports. Apparently, every QB trained his body fat by 5%. Every rookie already looks like a future All-Pro and nobody's missed a throw, yet Must be late July. 

07:03
We've seen a lot of positive takes around training camp, but we've also seen some negative ones as well. This one coming from the Beak, a video of JJ McCarthy struggling to read the defense for his fifth interception of the day. Beak says this guy stinks. The eyes don't lie. He wasn't even anywhere on my original draft board. Visit this tweet in five months and again in 18. Well, I have some bad news to share with you guys. This, this video from jj mccarthy is from last year because, as of recording this video, the vikings have yet to practice with pads on. So we've seen a lot of takes, good and bad, all over the board. Uh, rob, let's start with you, because you had a tweet in here what, what's your opinion about? 

07:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
uh, the training camp takes and training camp stats and and the sort well, I think, like in the modern day sports world now, everyone kind of overreacts to everything. I I do love nfl training camp because this is kind of like the flippening for me. I would say right, this is where I start to get into and excited about football season coming up again and like preparing for the season uh, firing a lot more bets, stuff of that nature, whereas the last couple months has been relatively dead and quiet for me. So I get really excited about this stuff. But it is a reminder this will be very arrogant, I don't really care. It is a reminder to me that, like I see all these takes every single day on twitter and I love them. I live for that. I live for people like watching training camp and seeing like this team's gonna be a bust, this team's gonna be great. But when I see stuff and this is not to single out beak, I actually like beak. But when I see stuff from like past training camps that people are formulating opinions on for this year, like Caleb Williams is another example. Caleb Williams' tweet was going viral of him like looking horrible in the offense. Well, matt Eberflus is behind him. It's last year's clip and people are using this to inform opinions for this upcoming season. So like this is our competition in the betting space, like these are the people that are also contributing liquidity to the market. In some cases it's really small, but I do love to see that and have a good laugh at it. 

09:18
I think generally people just take away way too many things from preseason, not only in in the nfl training camps, in the nfl, in all sports. I think there's just generally overreactions to stuff that doesn't matter. You don't have context, you don't know if, like, the dbs on a specific play know what the play call is. You don't even see the dbs in half of these plays to see if, like, they're cheating. If they're, you know. You don't know who the players are that are on the field. Could be like a fifth string player is not going to make the team. Like there's just so much that goes on and you don't have that nuance. So I live for this time of year. I love it, I love the discourse around it, but I try not to make too many takes based off of the, you know, first week of training camp. 

10:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So I think, like your tweet and Lockie's tweet and this tweet, we're not even talking about the same thing. A, this is like B, who got got made a mistake? Even if you didn't, you're just picking the low-hanging fruit that confirms, like a previous opinion, you have Right. But like to you and Lockie, I'd have to just say, like you guys are so smart and you got all this shit on lockdown, like you're just like people are at camp, they have to write fucking articles, they have to post clips. Yeah, that doesn't mean you have to take them seriously or care that other people are. 

10:36
It is not even August yet, sure. And what happens today? In those clips? No one even gives a shit about the Julyuly 23rd through july 30th nfl camp discourse. It's like forgotten by august 2nd, so by the time, the season's actually like here, it's all, it's all just like nothing. You, you and I honestly look at that and, like you and locky, are like just upset at clouds, like truly teams and fans I'm not upset, no, not are like just upset at clouts, like truly teams and fans are. 

11:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not upset, by the way, no, not upset, but like I just find the general discourse funny, like no one actually takes any of it seriously. 

11:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't think. I think people do, though I really. That's where I disagree with you. No, but like no one's actually taking what happens this week as like something that they're holding to in a month maybe not, but the opinions might change in a month because people are going to read. 

11:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's all liquid and these teams. 

11:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
They all got. It's the nfl, every team, even the lowly losers like the chargers, the cardinals, the jaguars, the amount of writers that are there, yeah, they gotta fill their shit like, like. Yes, it's annoying, but it's also like you and locky, as veterans of the game, shouldn't even like it, shouldn't even register that someone's like oh, this fifth round pick looks awesome, like I don't know. 

11:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I don't. I can't explain to you why I tweet things. If it pops into like I don't go in with, I'm not like a. 

12:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And just because you tweet something doesn't mean you're angry or obsessed, because I hate that, like one tweet or just sharing an opinion. Yes, it was like why are you obsessed or why are you so angry? 

12:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
like, no, this is twitter, I'm just getting an opinion sometimes and I would say this for most of my tweets I don't even think about them. I just happen to be in the moment and I, I and I send a tweet like I'm not a content creator. That is like trying to. Sometimes I will farm engagement, don't get me wrong. Like every now and then I'll think of something and I'll be like you know what that actually be a good tweet and get some engagement. I'll do that. This was me probably scrolling through twitter that day. I'm sitting at my computer. I'm seeing all this training camp stuff. I'm like pretty amazing how everybody looks good and this happens every year football people who are talking football and they're reacting to the video. 

12:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Quentin johnson didn't drop a pass for five days. Who cared? 

12:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
like he did though no, then he finally did. Okay, then he did like the first four days. 

12:54 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
The church opened earlier and then it was like a thing, like it doesn't. 

12:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's just like you love football, your feet is football, camp is opening, opening, people are excited, guys are in good shape. So like I don't think, like I don't know that, like all it's the same hyperbole coaches speak, I just don't even think it's worth registering. And sure those guys like you bet against and I don't know. I honestly think it's nothing. 

13:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'll let Kirk get in on this in one second. But like, and I don't know, I honestly think it's nothing. I'll let Kirk get in on this in one second, but I can tell you from my group of friends, if I go through my group chats right now different group chats the majority of them from the past week are clips from an NFL training camp that get posted in there and then spun into an opinion. Like this team is going to be assed this year. Yeah, even fantasy stuff. 

13:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You don't even play fantasy. Who cares no? 

13:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
no, I I think that just the general point that I'm making is that people do draw conclusions from this stuff. It might change first game of pre-season, but look at like underdog adps, like a guy that had a hot camp, yeah I'm fine. 

13:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But like it doesn't matter, like that is all just like the waves of august, and anyone who's been on the ride before knows exactly what the ride is yeah, jeff said no one takes it seriously. 

14:12 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I think more accurately, no one serious takes it seriously. Yes, sorry, that's seriously, but like people who are just like the beak. Um, but yeah, i'm'm a JJ McCarthy super fan and he said visit this tweet in five months and again in 18,. I believe there was one bookmark on this tweet. That bookmark was me. I will absolutely be revisiting that. 

14:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oh, you're in the camp of bookmarking tweets now for takes that like are contrary to yours. 

14:39 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I think this might be the first one I've ever done, but we are revisiting. 

14:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say we put out a video on Forward Progress of me saying the Lions are overrated. Okay, this is just relative to market, right. It's not me saying the Lions are terrible, it's just relative to market expectations. And it was kind of hard for me to settle on the teams there. I got flooded with the Lions fans mentions, right. I did bookmark every one of them as well and listen. 

15:07 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I won't revisit them if the lines are good, because that's not the point I will take a lot of shit if mccarthy sucks, so that will be revisited. Yeah, but if he's good, I'm going to victory lap. I might tweet about this every single day for between five months and 18. 

15:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The first days of training camp is essentially like raving about the pro day clips of the draft prospect. Yep, I agree. Right, and it's the same right. 

15:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
By the way, there is stuff that is important in training camp. 

15:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
There are rotations, new positions. 

15:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Depth chart stuff, injury stuff All of that should affect your handicapping for the upcoming season. If you're playing future, if you see a weird injury and reporting is weird around it, you can draw some conclusions from that. There's all sorts of stuff that matters from training camp but people just get fixated on one or two plays. This quarterback made a few interceptions. Aaron rogers missed dk metcalf on a throw and metcalf, or like pat fryer move, threw his hands up in the air and there's like, oh like, there's no chemistry between these guys. It's like it's the first time they fucking practice together. Like what are we expecting here? So I I love the discourse do. 

16:23 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Even being able to decipher coach speak is like a really good skill. 

16:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Even the people you don't respect aren't making like the majority, like the people you don't respect within, like betting, yeah, no one is like making outside of an injury moves. No one is making a future that based on like some fourth round draft pick looking awesome at camp, showing chemistry with the quarterback Right Agreed, I mean, that guy might not even be available to get a yards on, but you're not investing in a division or a wind total because of of any of it. 

17:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But think about all like the tertiary markets nowadays now, which is just like offensive rookie of the year, defensive rookie, like one splash play, would cause one of my friends to bet into one of those markets. There's so much more in terms of availability. You know what I'm getting at. 

17:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Some of it is like it's so early, it's just football. 

17:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Crack Like it's football crack addicts wanting their crack to talk about it. 

17:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
We're here, we're jonesing this drops. It's Tuesday, you're watching this. The Bolts are playing the Lions on Thursday. I mean, we're here, I'm getting in a car by myself to drive four and a half hours to Canton to see Gates get inducted this weekend. 

17:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know no one can ever recuse you of being a fake Chargers fan. I did it for. 

17:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
LaDainian a few years ago. I'm with friends and family, but it will be a successful weekend. I'm pretty much there to find Phillip. We'll be honest about that Sounds like Jeff is going to have a lot of fun there, it is Rob, you brought it up. It's a long weekend too. 

18:07 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I'm crazy yeah all right, rob, you brought it up. Brings us to our next point here. You mentioned, uh, the the tertiary markets that you can bet into. One right here that I bet into, based off some, uh some training camp news, is the comeback player of the year award. Um, I saw that joe mixon got. It was in a walking boot. I was like you know what. I'll throw a dart on nick chubb, one of my favorite running backs that I've watched playing growing up. Uh, tons of options available here over on calci. If you want to sign up for calci, make sure you check out the link in the description. But I also brought up on screen jj mccarthy comeback player of the year. Kirk. I know you wrote about the Vikings in Kirk's hammer. What are your thoughts on? Maybe a JJ McCarthy comeback player? 

18:47 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Just quickly before we get into this, I think it's kind of funny that Jeff said no one's watching training camp and making bets and to be fair, that wasn't in tree. But then we go to takes by J. 

18:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He was like oh yeah, I just threw some money on Nick. 

19:02 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Ch of sense. 

19:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't mean like you are formulating your opinions, that you've been thinking about, you're working your numbers. I'm saying like, outside of an injury, you're not making a bet because of like a training camp beat reporter guy was caught. I'm not. 

19:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Jeff, but I believe people are. I really disagree with you there. I believe people are. 

19:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You're betting a team to win a division because, like the fifth receiver looked awesome that day when the first and second receiver were out just resting. 

19:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I believe that, like a beat reporter tweeting something about Aaron Rodgers not being on the same page with his receivers would cause a recreational better to go bet the Steelers under win total. I truly believe that. 

19:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, sure. 

19:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, I know my friends well enough. 

19:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This is just confirmation bias. They were betting Pittsburgh under like 80% of the way there too. 

19:55 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, agreed, all right, jj. I feel like I'm very bad at pricing some futures markets and comeback player of the year is one of them. Mccarthy to me, like, I think he's going to be awesome. I think it's a pretty tough case for him to win this award because, like, he's not coming back to the NFL, like he has no, like baseline production where, like, typically comeback player of the year is, oh, this guy got seriously hurt and then, like, was able to be just as good coming back. So I don't know, but it doesn't seem great to me. But I don't have a bet in this market and I don't think I'm very good at betting this market For a guy who's so high on the Vikings you gotta take your shit. 

20:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, if the Vikings are good, it has to be. Mccarthy had a good year. I. If the Vikings are good, it has to be. 

20:46 - Kirk Evans (Host)
McCarthy had a good year and he's relevant. I'm insanely high on McCarthy but I'm not sure. If he wins MVP, he wins Comeback. Player of the Year. 

20:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't know if he's eligible. Not eligible technically but eligible in the voting of minds. 

20:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah. 

20:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I understand what you're saying. 

20:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And the thing about this market is you betting it. It's like going to the circus or playing a late night poker game with uh, you know, brett and tommy g, like whatever happens happens. You can't complain about anything that happens in this market, how it works out, who is like found to be ineligible, or if you find out like voters aren't going to back him because he actually never played a league snap yet. This is the fun house of NFL betting. Yes, this market. 

21:32
I agree with you. Crazy mirrors freak you out Back to back years. 

21:36 - Kirk Evans (Host)
it's been just completely drunk with Darnold and then with Hamlin, but we have seen rookies who never played, show up. 

21:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The dude who got shot, brian Robinson on Washington oh did he, but he didn't win it. But when he came back he was getting some steam. 

21:51 - Jason Cooper (Host)
He was a rookie that year, right, no, but he came back within the year, though. 

21:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yes, but he still never played in the league before to show that he was coming back from being a player to care about. 

22:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And then I think, was it like John Mechie on Houston had a cancer diagnosis before he played, I think. 

22:10 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Brampton. So we have seen those. 

22:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Those are a lot better narratives and those guys have shown up on the board, but who knows how. 

22:18 - Kirk Evans (Host)
If you're not winning by getting shot or having a cancer diagnosis, it's probably pretty hard to win off like a meniscus that he had right I I am trying to find that nick chubb market right now on uh cal she. 

22:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Uh, we're doing a series over on the forward progress channel right now, called the draft series. So I'm very in tune with what's going on in these markets. But I'll give an example of where I think that, uh, in training camp. So exactly what jason said. Uh, the Joe Mixon like injury reporting is is alarm bells should be going off in your head about the future of Joe Mixon at this point, based off of the reporting. Whenever, like beat reporters are really quiet about a situation, there's something going on there and I I think Mixon's injury could potentially be really bad and because, listen, I'm not that's injury. 

23:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's like a whole other ballpark than highlights. 

23:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, for sure, but when you think of the backup being Nick Chubb and like what Nick Chubb has gone through and how well liked he is in the league, I think that like the narrative around him and you could also throw in the narrative. 

23:22 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I bet on him last year as well. Yeah, you could also throw in the narrative. 

23:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I bet on him last year as well, you could throw in the narrative of the browns cutting ties with him and then we're going to see like a saquon barkley-esque situation where the browns are going to be in last place and everyone's going to be like the browns should have kept nick chubb, when in reality no, they shouldn't, because they would be in last place regardless. But that narrative will still ring true if he has a great year. If joe mixon doesn't play, there's so many ifs, yeah, with this involved but yeah, there's a lot of really good candidates for this award. 

23:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's a big year for the award like yeah, so a doc prescott, trevor lawrence, I mean mccaffrey, I think I, I think mccaffrey should be favored it's a tough year this is not like an anti-lions thing. I aiden hutchinson's a great player, but the 49ers are playing such an easy schedule this year. Obviously, mccaffrey has had injury concerns his entire career and that's always. But at 23% I feel like he should be the market favorite and I would say his probability is likely higher than that. 

24:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And it's important to note that Hamlin's multi-year eligibility is over. 

24:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, all he had to do was wake up, and it's important to note that Hamlin's multi-year eligibility is over. Yes, all he had to do was wake up. 

24:31 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That's still one of my favorite quotes from you ever, jeff. All-time video from Jeff there. Yeah, I love that. And a reminder this market you can find on CalSheet. You can see on your screen right now if you see that little QR code. If you're watching on video, you can scan it and you can sign up for Kalshi. Every sign up helps support the show. If you're not watching on video, you can just go in the description. There is a link there at any point throughout the show you can click on that link, head over to Kalshi, sign up Again. It does a lot of work for us here on the channel Before we get into the next topic. 

25:05 - Kirk Evans (Host)
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25:36 - Jason Cooper (Host)
All right, moving off from NFL training camp to NFL pick selling, pick selling in general. There's a lot to talk about here in the pick selling vein. Started off with China Maniac, who you see sometimes on the Friday show. He writes about pick selling. You should only buy sports picks if you're a professional bettor that understands why there is value, and most of these services are flat out scams. The two fastest and best paths to financial gambling freedom are the following Originating moving for the originators whether you're getting down or collecting accounts for them to bet Top down is fine, but a lot of markets are getting saturated as there's a lot of overlap on people doing the same things. 

26:17
Following projections, if you're getting started, never, ever buy picks. Now, I think this is pretty sound, sound advice, but it seems like some people didn't really agree with it. Oh, who would have thought right angle sports. I wonder what they do. They don't agree with china's take here. Uh, right angle sports saying the guidance on pick following needs to evolve. 

26:39
Quote never buy picks, end quote. Might sound like a good general advice, but it is lazy, unrealistic and skips important nuance. It ignores the massive demand for picks, gives a pass to all the misleading free content being produced and consumed and it directly contradicts many top pros who have openly discussed utilizing pick services. If the sharp community really wants to help and or educate newer, unsuspecting pick consumers, it needs to be established. It needs to establish consensus standards for pick making, selling, tracking and evaluating, and then recognize and support those who meet or surpass such standards, instead of lumping them in with the worst of the offenders. I mean, there's a ton of irony here. I can go off about it. Uh, kirk, maybe you're pretty familiar with this topic so maybe you can tell me your first. Yeah, absolutely. 

27:28 - Kirk Evans (Host)
So I think I agree in some part with Rass of like. It is true, like when I started out and it is a very different ecosystem now I bought a lot of people's picks because it was actually really low-hanging fruit Like I had a lot of really good accounts at the time and you could just find people who win. It is, and there are people I see now who I don't buy. I actually buy Hitman's picks. 

27:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's the only person, but there are a lot of people now, so you buy them from Hitman or from Fezzik Straight from the source Okay, got it, but there are people who win. 

28:09 - Kirk Evans (Host)
but I do agree for like 99 of people, especially I really agree with china in the sense of like. If you don't really understand the sports betting landscape and I see a lot of people who I'm friends with who don't, who who buy picks or follow people's picks, who like end up losing a ton because they can't really differentiate if someone's a winner or a loser. But to me, the thing I really disagree with Rass about if you go to their tweet so I've actually written about this in Kirk's Hammer but he says consensus standard for pick making, selling, tracking, tracking and evaluating. I actually think rasp does not hit that standard or even close. I think the only way I would ever respect a pick seller is if you had data on the average line, the average amount bet and the average win and loss of each client. I think that's the only way, because even if you're releasing a market number at minus 110, if you can't tell me what percentage of people got that minus 110 versus how many clicked and got minus 115, how many clicked and got minus 120, how much they got down Because also your worst plays people will probably be able to get more on. 

29:24
People probably are going to misclick sometimes, especially when, uh, stuff moves fast. That's on rass, that's not really on the person buying. Like, obviously, the person buying has some responsibility as well, but to me, rass and no pick seller I know to be fair to rass hits the standard of how you should track if you want to be a respected pick seller. If someone could come to me and say here is the data. We send out a survey for every picker. We have it automated right after we send out a pick, click how much you got, click what line you got it at. 90% of our clients are making money. If you could do that then I could have respect, but until then I don't. And also just one more is who cares how many units you're up if you're not counting it against how expensive your service is? That's another one that's incredibly important. Yeah. 

30:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think I thought about this a lot right. Yeah, I think I thought about this a lot right and I think it's safest to just tell people to never buy picks like china did right, like rass says what happened I moved the chair, made a noise. 

30:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Jason's acting like I farted he's like a six-year-old like a six-year-old. 

30:42 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You gave me a look. 

30:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Don't act like you didn't, because I wanted to make sure the audio was. What do you mean? 

30:47 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I just wanted to clear the audio. What do you mean? 

30:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like that the camera's like if I move the seat. 

30:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Are you still in frame? 

30:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, that's what I was looking. He's giggling like a schoolgirl. 

30:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean, at least I don't see him directly from this point of view. 

31:02 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, you guys are lucky, you're brought up from him. 

31:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I guess he's got the camera view of him up there. But the picks discussion Okay. So the second sentence Never buy picks might sound like good general advice, but it is lazy, unrealistic and skips important nuance. I agree that it's lazy. I agree that it skips important nuance. On the unrealistic part, it is way more realistic to just tell people to not buy picks than it is to educate the masses on, like what a good pick selling operation is versus a bad. To me, that's completely unrealistic, especially when you have pick sellers weighing in. 

31:48
This is coming from a pick selling service. Who's supposed to do this education? Who's it supposed to come from? Am I going to spend every waking hour of my day trying to tell all my friends and everyone I know what's good and what's bad? The reality is there are people who can discern what is a good service and what is a bad service. As China mentioned. Those people don't need to be educated. They understand the space. People like me and Kirk could pretty easily evaluate a pick selling service and determine whether or not there's real utility in buying that service or a product or whatever. The average person cannot do that, so you just tell them to stay clear. It's as simple as that. It's the easiest way and, of course, for RAS, I get it. It affects their business. 

32:41
If you're telling people not to buy picks and people are heeding that advice, it's going to affect every pick sellers business. So in turn they're going to say well, there's more nuance to this. You know X, y and Z are actually signs of a winning circle and there may be, but spreading that message, in my opinion, is much, much harder. And at the end of the day, if it means less people are going to buy picks and in the process they might not buy good picks, I don't give a shit, it doesn't matter to me, because most of the people in the space are I don't want to say scam artists, but like they're misleading in some capacity or another. 

33:22
We tried this like consensus standards with Betstamp before. Like when Betstamp first launched as a brand, one of the utilities of it was like everyone can just this is going to be a way for any consumer to go in and look through somebody's fully documented record, determine whether or not they want to buy picks or not. What we very much learned through tracking is people actually don't look through other people's picks, they just look at the record, and that is very dangerous in and of itself, and I know that there's other products in market nowadays. There's like Juice Real, there's a few others, there's Pickett, obviously, where you can track, and people just use the like, the numbers as they're like, as gospel. But what they may not see is somebody might have lost 20 units and then, somewhere deep buried in there, they bet a 25 unit game that won and now they're up five. It's completely misleading and stuff like that. There's just not going to be a consensus standard for pick making, selling, tracking and about like that to me is the most unrealistic thing, right? So I understand where this tweet is coming from. I really do. 

34:39
If I was in ed's position, who I believe is still right running Right Angle Sports Twitter account, I would probably share some of these same viewpoints. I completely get it, but to me, what he's offering is a solution that is extremely unrealistic, and that's where I kind of draw the line. So for me, former pick seller myself, who never advocated for people buying picks, even when I ran a pick selling service, I would still tell you if you're not a winning bettor or if you're not savvy enough to discern what's a good service and what's not, don't buy picks, because the vast majority of these pick sellers are coin flippers anyways, and sure there's some good that's in amongst the bat. That happens in every industry where there's advertising and marketing involved. But just stay clear of it, because at the end of the day you're better off flipping a coin as as other people are. You're just not paying a subscription fee on top of it, and it's as simple as that agreed. 

35:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Don't really have anything to add, other than I do feel like these, a lot of these pick sellers feel like they are doing good, they're doing a service Like they see themselves, like in their mind. They're at home, yes, and they're like I'm providing a service for someone who can afford my service yeah, with a real job, who likes to bet on football. But they know they're not good at it. They're too busy with their lives to a keep up on transactions, depth charts, injuries, and they just want to walk into sunday with more of a puncher's chance and they're willing to spend I don't know what, like 200 a month, yeah, for that like in their mind, like more of a puncher's chance to come out on top To me. I think a lot of these guys like they feel like they are servicing that person. 

36:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there's a level of delusion as well, because this industry is built off of marketing. Right At the end of the day, it doesn't matter you could be the best pick. You could have the best picks in the world Doesn't mean you're going to be the best pick seller in the world. You have to sell your product. It is a. You're selling your picks as the product, and when you're constantly selling something as your product and selling that it has value and it has utility, what tends to happen to people is you lie so much that you actually start to believe what you're selling Like. 

37:08
This is an actual phenomenon in the space. Every pick seller thinks that they are doing good for someone else. There's no real like. There's no tracking of like. Look at the records of these guys that are selling on on sites that keep records, long-term records. It's very clear that they lose, but in their heads they win. It's something crazy. I mean, it's not even just this industry, it's every product out there. In general, this is how marketing works, but it's just more dangerous in this industry because people lose. 

37:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Already you know the most dangerous marketing tool in maybe football betting Warren Sharpe's mustache. Tool in maybe football betting Warren Sharpe's mustache Like the power that fucking thing has. 

37:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Can't stop staring at it. No, I don't understand the amount of people that are like, literally brainwashed by the mustache. 

38:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You can't like. The amount of respected people and unrespected people that show for him, that are blinded by the mustache, is something that, like future generations, might be able to study. Well, they talked about that on the Friday show. Did they do that at Sloan? 

38:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They talked about that at the Friday show. Oh, no, sorry. 

38:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, the Friday show. I thought you meant at the conference. No, no, no. 

38:21 - Jason Cooper (Host)
But, but, but Wait wait, wait wait. 

38:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Listen. No, they didn't do a seminar on Warren's mustache at Sloan Analytics when you were there. 

38:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I wasn't there in the last few years, but I wouldn't be surprised with the amount of time and people that are shilling for him nowadays. I mean, listen, the real issue with that book you get whatever to read. An average fan is going to read any book or preview there's and like become instantly become a winning. You know who? 

38:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
that book is good for and sometimes I could use it for some of the content I do but hosts who need to fake it oh well, host like that. That book is good for for studio analysts or hosts of podcasts that, like, need to fake it and they got the mustache well, the the reality is I don't. 

39:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't actually have anything against that type of book. Like me, neither I don't. Like I I used to love reading magazines and whatever. But when you're directing someone to that, then there's like the extension of that is his pick service, with the emails of like we've won x amount of money in the last five years and the records and whatever, and you're. You're, in essence, like when mina kimes and adam schefter are tweeting about warren sharp. They're indirectly sending people to the pick service as well. Right, so like. That's where I kind of like yeah, okay, maybe the book is valuable service where you can't even get last week's record. 

39:45
You can't get last week's record if, if you, if you know if someone tries to publicly track, you get a phone call from uh the posse that says, hey, uh, take that down, it's against by, it's violating our terms of service of the pick selling and we might have to pursue some legal action against you. 

40:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You know there's all sorts of of bs remember my idea the non-profit to fund legal, you know, to fund legal defenses of uh illegal tracking. 

40:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's a very insulated operation, let's put it that way very insulated. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, just like that theater room he films all those, uh those videos in very insulated all right, warren's sharp mustache. 

40:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Can't trust the guy with the mustache at all, whatever, but it's iconic for him, that Warren's sharp mustache. For me, what's iconic for Steve Fezzik is his hair. That's what gets me and that's the guy with our next topic. We're going to talk a little bit about Fezzik here. Fezzik saying I see so many B in in quotation, sports bettors and poker guys podcasting. Hmm, I wonder who he's talking about. Anyways, uh, that have never made much money at all gambling. Yet they are certain they are way, way sharper than guys who have made multi millions betting, slash gambling. You cannot make it up. Follows this up because, uh, you know he hasn't been having the best year. Up. Follows this up because you know he hasn't been having the best year. He says I was up 250 units over sorry, plus 250 units over the last five years. This year I am down minus 46 units. Yes, you didn't hear that. Uh, incorrectly, minus 46 units on my service bets. Everyone relax, we have a great portfolio of futures and I expect to have a monster football season. 

41:27
I mean, a lot of people chimed in, rob, including yourself, kind of bringing up Fezzik's pass where he called out Raz. He said I guess just other people that are past their prime. Then I mean, fezzik, if you're going to throw stones, you've got to expect it back. A couple more comments, mike. This one's a long one. Uh, we can get into it a little bit later. But, rob, since you chimed in already, I want to hear your thoughts about this yeah. 

41:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So this was uh. This one in particular was mike, from right angle sports as well, talking about, uh, how he still buys um physics picks and he's saying, you know they're not fraudulent lines, but he doesn't have access to some of the sites that Fezzik gives out, like the South Point, which is, you know, based in Las Vegas. He says he subs. Nevertheless, I know I'm getting a lot of filtered hitman and Dr Bob, amongst, amongst others, but he still thinks it's worth it. So I mean, this is a really large topic to unpack, right. Large topic to unpack, right. 

42:23
I think the dismissal of being down 46 units in a year, regardless of how well you've done in the past, to me is where I'm like. No, I mean you've lost half a bankroll in a year. That has a massive impact on anyone who's bought, regardless of what you've been up in the past. Right, and the whole notion of like we have a great portfolio of futures to like offset that. By the way, if someone loses 46 units in a year, do you think they're tailing these futures plays Like who is betting this stuff afterwards as well? So like-. 

42:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But that. 

43:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oreo's under? Yeah, I mean-. 

43:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's right when he says the portfolio futures. 

43:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

43:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's the Orioles under that. You know it's a great pick. He's been peacocking it pretty much since the Orioles started slow. But I think he's just waiting for baseball futures to cash. I don't think he's talking about the football futures. Sure, I'm not defending the record is bad, but I'm just saying I think he thinks that or that I think he's referring to baseball futures that are cashing soon. There's a lot of ugly meat here, though. 

43:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there's like, there's like, so this could be a whole show, right, Like the baseball stuff. Right, stuff, right, A lot of the recent run or win streak has been amassed from betting, like first three innings bets which I don't know. Again, there's a lot of nuance when it comes to tracking, but it's like, where does that fit in, right? How many people have access to first three innings markets? Also, if you're betting those and winning pretty consistently you know through experience which I've bet some of those markets you're you're losing accounts very quickly as well, Like a lot of this is part of the case. 

44:12
But I just, I just really wonder, because I'm blocked from from Steve Now I can't interact with him, even though he still occasionally texts me every now and then. Probably he'll text me after this show. But I read the replies and like the quote tweets and I like I, I have to wonder at this point whether he is viewing like the engagement as a good thing, because or just not reading any of the the response. So he's elf now I, I don't know, I and I'm just telling you like 99 of these comments are very negative, very negative. So he's kind of just like tweeting through this and at some point it's got to be exhausting. 

44:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I it's summertime, rob. We haven't even hit football season. I I'm shocked, like I don't. Of everyone in this room, I probably show Steve the most grace. I think that's fair to say. I mean, the bar is probably low but I still might clear it. That being said, I mean sure people who are in deep know steve probably had a bad year. To let people know you were down 46 units to me is crazy. If, like, part of this is a sales job like the bad, what, like you, almost don't like. He thinks you know being transparent is healthy. I almost think it's not. But what makes it worse is to literally show us that you shat your pants but then stand there like there's no mess and it doesn't smell, right, yeah, that's the craziest part. And then, like, bro, if you're gonna shit yourself in front of us, at least like acknowledge you made it doesn't smell like roses. The room is a mess, agreed, someone's got to get clean up. 

46:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You've got to fucking own it, not have a great portfolio and I expect to have a monster football. Why, why is his expectation to have a monster football season? He fucking lost in football last year. 

46:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's not easy to have a monster. No, of course it's not it's not. 

46:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And he and and again like he, he is giving himself an even better chance to win by releasing like so quick. I release everything that's available at three sportsbooks. Well, one is the south point, one is the win. Like these are not widely available he just put such a. 

46:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He just put such a microscope, a bigger microscope, on himself. 

46:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's got so much pressure for this football year. Why would you do that to yourself Like? 

46:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
yeah, we can't just win, you know, be up a few units and consider it like a success in the 1%. 

46:59 - Kirk Evans (Host)
like GRP, he's got a, he's got a, go's got a goes, albert type numbers yeah, you said it about the three like he acts like available at three sportsbooks is like a good standard. To me that's like a horrific standard. Three sportsbooks, south point dk, like the anyone who's using a service who's actually winning by themselves, or if you are a winning service which you documented, not this year, you're just going to lose those accounts. You can only release stuff To be down. 46 units, releasing only lines that are available at three books, while also sometimes piggybacking plays, is honestly impressive. 

47:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He self-admittedly on his twitter account before, has admitted to releasing top-down plays. Yeah, the majority of his plays are top-down plays. Like he's just looking at the market and picking off bad prices. Everyone can do this like why, why? 

48:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
to like be to have that record while like pawning off Hitman. Would be like shooting my golf scores while getting Rory's drive, like I'm already getting. 

48:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, it's not in the rundown for this week. Sorry to cut you off, kurt, but there was another Fezzik tweet this week where it was like I'm paraphrasing here, but it was like you know things you should do to be a successful sports better. And number two was like get into sharp group chats where you can share plays with one another and immediately I'm like, yeah, so someone else can go and release them afterwards under their like, under their pick package, like Mike Rass's whole thing about. I know I'm getting some hitman plays and some dr bob plays. It's like then just fucking subscribe to their service and give them the money if they're originating the plays, right. I'm not even suggesting that all the physics plays are from those guys. He probably is releasing a lot of his own stuff, but like, if you know the good stuff is coming from other guys, get the subscription from them. 

49:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The thing is like he has sent me plays and they do win. 

49:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sure, it's been a while, but I guess like there's a lot of you know, even with some of, are they the same plays that he's sending on the service I have? 

49:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
in full disclosure. I don't sub to any service. Okay, that's not. 

49:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I don't bet enough to sub for a service. Is it possible that you're getting let's call them better plays that he can't release on the service for fear of Well it's? 

49:42 - Kirk Evans (Host)
also probably just a small sample. 

49:43 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
No. 

49:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, it for fear of, well, it's also probably just a small sample. No, like, yeah, it's not. Like it's not a big sample, yeah, but it um sorry, what was your question? 

49:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
well, like again, he's running a pick selling service, right, he can't release like and this is just a very random example, I'm not saying fez would do this, but I can't be like third division soccer, no, no, it was none of that, right, but I'm just that's but even in like with bowl games and I know it happens because there's such volatility in those bowl games, like you know always getting like really good clv, of course. 

50:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So, like he's got whatever he's tapped into is um, I'm not saying it can translate to clients, but whatever he's tapped into is pretty good. 

50:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

50:27 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I have to see the full breakdown of his record. Can we go to the first tweet here quick? I just want to like so this is obviously a tweet at, probably the Friday show. Yeah, that's what I think. I just want to say. I don't even know if they'll like me saying this Like so I talk to Peanut decently regularly. He's a very good sports better. But in terms of like Flop is on that show, like the idea that Flop hasn't made much money at gambling there there are, I can count on one hand, people who I think have made more money betting in the past few years than Flop. Like the idea than Flop, like the idea that Flop is a B sports bettor is laughable. 

51:08
So he's just talking to Joey then Well, no, but I think he's saying this to all of them, but I just don't think he knows Like to call, like me, and Flop are pretty close. We talk a lot. I just think that's a laughable take that he, steve, obviously has no idea about. I would honestly go on to say, even though physics been betting for what? 20, 25 years flop maybe has made more money than I would. 

51:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would actually place a bet that flops net worth is bigger than steve's, based off of the bet sizing. 

51:44 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, like it's on Twitter, like those are flops, bets that he posts. Those are six. 

51:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean we're never going to solve that, so there's no point in doing that. 

51:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
The biggest winner in Steve's tout service if it's not Steve and it's not the clients is Saginaw's. 

52:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
For sure. 

52:02 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
The steakhouse. 

52:03 - Kirk Evans (Host)
No, the deli, the lunches for Mmm for sure, the steakhouse no the deli, the lunches for the clients, those are expensive, rubens. Oh, I thought he takes them out for a steak dinner. 

52:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh, maybe. 

52:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is it a lunch sandwich, imagine getting $1,000 a game and then subscription fees on top of that. Losing $46,000 in a year like $50,000 plus with subscription fees, and then being offered to have a steak dinner with the guy that lost you $50,000. 

52:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Most people who are buying a service, some of it are in it for recreational and getting the money. But I can't imagine there's like any average guy who's like summer has gone well, who they've been in a good mood with their children getting crushed betting baseball every day. 

52:49 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I want to jump in here, though, because that's fine to say about general pick services but, like steve fezik's pick service, is trying to separate himself from every other pick service. Right, trying to say that he's like more of a boutique premier pick selling service. So it's like you're advertising yourself as this um great better, but you're down 46 units. I don't know sometimes. 

53:07 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Sometimes you have to look inwards and say I'm shedding the bed and if you're down 46 units in a season it's no one else's fault. Don't tell them to relax. You're down 46 units. 

53:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Look inwards and say I fucked up what a what a miscalculation of a tweet and a thread to go on. 

53:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The first tweet, the first one which I think is most certainly directed at the Friday show. Thank you for watching, steve, by the way. We do appreciate it. But okay, like they are certain, they are way, way sharper than guys who have made multi-millions betting gambling right. This reads like the tweet of a dinosaur, right Of. Like. I've had, like this successful career. 

53:53
And I will just be very honest I am past my peak when it comes to sports betting, right, I am. My biggest edges existed in the past. I'm trying to always find ways to continuously make money. I don't have the edges that I did in the hockey market before. Football is getting worse. Everything kind of gets worse for me from an origination perspective over time. That's just how it is for me, how it goes for pretty much everyone Right. 

54:20
I try to find other ways to earn. I earn off of other people's bets nowadays a lot, you know, just because it's a way for me to earn. I have tons of accounts, too many accounts. That's one of the beautiful things of running this program. People reach out to me all the time. Rob, I want to bet with you. I'm like that's great. I actually. I am betting to my max. I give accounts to other people who win, I get a percentage of it. 

54:46
There's ways that you can make money in the space, but I am willing to admit when, like there are people that Kirk is sharper than me, flup is sharper than me. They have found ways to make more money in the current landscape than I can, and that's okay. I don't care. I've made a ton of money in sports betting. I don't have to work anymore. I can do whatever the fuck I want to do. But this reads as like it's like comparing Hall of Fame resumes. That's not what it's about. It's about now. It's about what are you doing in the space now? You have nothing to hang your hat on, nothing, because you've chosen to sell picks and make that public. If you rode off into the sunset with whatever gambling money you've made and you just stayed quiet, no one would question your legacy or integrity or whatever. But you've lived it out in a public forum and when you do that, you open yourself up to criticism, and the people that are part of this program are very successful bettors, whether you like it or not. 

55:46
Sorry, jeff, uh, maybe, maybe the sorry jason but the people that you're calling what I'm here to do into question are doing really, really well for themselves nowadays, a lot better than you are. So forget about like this legacy debate and whether or not like this is the current landscape. People have figured out how to win and right now steve hasn't, and that's what it. That's what it comes down to. At least he hasn't on his service, if privately he has. I don't know, I can't speak to that, but what's public? It's losing, simple as that. 

56:19 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Well, said yeah, well said, my biggest question here is do you guys think if uh steve is paying for the steak dinner, is that on the, the pick, the, the pick, buyers, the clients as well, to pay for the? 

56:31 - Kirk Evans (Host)
no, no, no, I think he's paying for this I 

56:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
don't know. You know, speaking of this, this guy over here, he sends a tweet when we're in chicago about me and George having short arms about a meal that you paid for. 

56:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So he's like, he is like, like, like. 

56:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Jason is like bragging that, like he had to cover it or he's the big champ of the situation. And before that happened, pozzola paid. 

57:04 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
He had to cover it, or he's the big champ of the situation and he expenses it, and before that happened, pozzola paid. 

57:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So he's getting credit while taking a shot an undeserved shot, george was a lovely host Was a lovely host. Yeah, so there, thanks, finally got that out on Jason. 

57:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
All right, yeah, you were waiting to finally got that out on jason, all right. Yeah, you were waiting to get that shot out on me. 

57:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
All right, let's stop being like accused of being like just strangers look, jay like jeep's on uh that's um. I'm not saying it's like with the like you can't come back from. Looks uh, but that's not like a look anyone wants uh being put out to like strangers who just believe things on the internet. 

57:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, this is the norm for him, though right remember when he did, like his investigative research into taylor mathis's passes. Talking about return, fire. 

57:52 - Kirk Evans (Host)
They were talking about that. Like you did something on the friday show, wasn't it just totally wrong. 

57:59 - Jason Cooper (Host)
No, no, it was right, it was right no, he definitely investigated something before. 

58:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That was completely wrong. 

58:07 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yeah, he tweeted about it. Hey, taylor Mathis, like where's? 

58:09 - Jason Cooper (Host)
this mother, yeah, the guy didn't get paid. 

58:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Oh, she said to God because it was a sponsored thing. 

58:19 - Jason Cooper (Host)
So like it was like within 24 hours I thought you guys were completely making this up. That was five or six days, which is way different than 24 hours. 

58:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But it's like a sponsored thing, like it's um. She's the middleman between the third by the third. 

58:29 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Oh, it was like a giveaway or something like that. Yeah, it was a giveaway. 

58:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So you have to allow a little bit of leeway. 

58:34 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Okay, you know what. You went through limitations. 

58:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like a day later. It was not a day. 

58:40 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It was a day. Thank God this came up because the Friday show we're like talking about how you did such good investigative journalism. 

58:47 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You know what I'm in the process of doing investigative journalism right now. 

58:50 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
But you know what? Now I'm not going to do it. Now I'm going to throw it out, and the people are going to suffer as a result of it. 

58:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It's probably against Fezzik, I assume. 

58:59 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You're right, you nailed it. 

59:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's not true. You're just too lazy to finish the game. 

59:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're just not sure about his research. He doesn't want to be on record with it. 

59:11 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Let's go through a couple more tweets with the Fezzik-related stuff. He mentioned this earlier, but Shine the Prof highlighting it. It is very difficult to sell the bets I make. 

59:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's just about the worst sales pitch ever Like the woe is me. Oh, it's really tough to be in my position where I need to. 

59:28 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You know, have like three sports books Like come on, imagine being Fezzik, being down 46 units, but oh, woe is me. I have all my subscribers' money to help alleviate that. I wonder how his subscribers feel. Next up is DekuchiBets Fezzik giving Nadeu a real run for his money in terms of outsized self-importance and general distance from reality. The summer heat makes you people on this website redacted. I disagree with this. I think Nadeu is pretty down-to-earth, but whatever, that's fine To each their own. 

01:00:01
Nadeu is not down-to-ear hurt, I think he is. He's a little bit, I don't know. I think he's a nice guy, anyways, whatever. 

01:00:07 - Kirk Evans (Host)
No, Nate Dew's gonna fucking probably have a nine tweet thread. 

01:00:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, but he never liked me. He never liked me. He called you out in our offline circle back chat before. 

01:00:17 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Like Kurt. What the fuck is your problem? He did. Jeff said that's okay, but to argue that they do have a firm sense of reality, I think is incredible. I'm a big fan of Nadeus. What's great about them? 

01:00:34 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
all is. They live in their own world and it's their world, and that's what makes them better, but we all do in a sense. 

01:00:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We all do in a sense, theirs is just further away so you know, I put out a tweet today that was like if you could never share a winning sports bet again with anyone, anyone, would you still bet? And in my reality, there's so many new bettors who've come into the space nowadays who are like they bet for clout, basically Right, they bet to tell their friends that they won a bunch of money. They don't even really care about the, but people are like shitting on me, like how is this even a question? I'm like you don't think that exists? 

01:01:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, because like here's the thing, like you got a buddy who runs like a liquidation warehouse and he makes great deals and makes a fortune. He's not like sharing that with his friends who are a real estate agent or work in digital sales. So it's like people are making their money how they're making their money in their industry and they're not like sharing that with their friends. Their friends just know they're doing yeah, they have a good job. So from your perspective, I would see it kind of as no different well. 

01:01:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But from my perspective, I've now realized 100 of my followers are all winning bettors. 

01:01:55 - Kirk Evans (Host)
They're all like I do it to win money the people who engage with you and follow you, I feel like, are definitely the sharper side. So that's why, obviously no one's responding to that being like yeah, I would never bet again if I like I had a few of those responses, but they're a few and far between. 

01:02:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like someone's like, yeah, it's like saying like, would you? 

01:02:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
cure a disease without being able to get credit for curing the disease. 

01:02:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Someone mentioned that they would be more likely to stop betting if they couldn't no long, if they weren't able to share their losing bets. It's like I get so much joy from sharing near wins or whatever. 

01:02:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't know if you know, but Matt does it for the cloud. That's why he only bets high two figures, because people seeing him dominate is what matters, not the money. 

01:02:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I have a feeling we're going to get a few comments from Matt Zilbert, super fan. 

01:02:47 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Speaking of which, if you're watching the video right now, drop a comment down below on your thoughts about this whole Fezzik. Be better pick-relating stuff. One more tweet to get to here from Adrian Badziorowski at Badger Sports Service so when do you resize your bets? Losing half your own means you bet half your original size. So Steve needs to win 100 units to get back to zero now. But if all these futures are tying up, more bankroll is the actual working bankroll 25% of the original bankroll. Hashtag circle back and reminder. You can always get in on the conversation by tweeting at us hashtag. Circle back and reminder. You can always get in on the conversation by tweeting at us. Hashtag circle back. 

01:03:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is there any particular reason why you're talking like this today, jay? Like what In? 

01:03:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
like a very slow, methodical robotic type of he struggled at the opening and he's just trying to like hit it smooth. I think. 

01:03:41 - Jason Cooper (Host)
What is going on here I? Don't know what is going on here Is don't know what is going on here. 

01:03:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is anyone not? Is it just me? I could be completely out. I've just noticed this very mechanical, almost tone. 

01:03:56 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I don't know. We'll check the comments afterwards to see if they agree with you. 

01:04:00 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I don't really know Fantastic tweet In the RAS section. I talked about how. I don't really know. A fantastic tweet in the rast section. I talked about how um, I don't think pixelers track correctly. That's another one bet resizing yeah, insanely important. You can't just say I'm up 250 units, then I'm down 40 units, but it equals to 210. That's not how it works. You resize your bankroll. If you lose 46 units, you've lost 46 of your bankroll. You're not up. You know, whatever 210 units, it would be way less than that. Again, same thing if you win it back after losing 40 units. It's not the equivalent like if you lose 46 units then win 46 units, you're not at zero. So, yeah, that's just another way that that pick sellers don't track. I'm looking at jeff right now I see, like the Zach. 

01:04:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Galifianakis like numbers going around his head trying to decipher it makes sense. 

01:04:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I believe him. But yeah, when you resize the units, I mean, listen in fairness to eight. 

01:04:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I cannot confirm or deny whether Fezzik was actually up the 250 units that he claimed to be, but technically, if he was, then this drawback would be a big one. But you'd still be so like. I will provide that context. So it's fair. It's not like everyone who got in got in at the exact starting point where he went down on like a 46-unit slide. 

01:05:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But yes, this is valid, so maybe it's time to get in. He's going to get hot. 

01:05:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Maybe. Yeah, speaking of being hot, I want to go back to this one, because the summer heat makes you people on this website. We'll not say that word, but I'm just going to call out Jeff and Kirk. Very bold move of you guys to wear shorts today. Yeah. 

01:05:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it's going great. I wish you guys gave me I'm fucking hot the first time. I don't know the ham hocks are out, but it's just too fucking hot. Yeah, I walked over. I could not walk over here in pants, it's too hot. I went with the floral shirt for the summer vibes. You know absolutely. I'm sure I'm gonna get commentary again this week on the shirt that I'm wearing, but I like that one. 

01:05:58 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It's pretty good, all right, I'm not sure I would wear it myself, but solid. 

01:06:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, you wear plain white t-shirts every week, so this is not a Kirk shirt. 

01:06:06 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Nah yeah, definitely. All right, maybe that was a false equivalency for me and let's move to another false equivalency here. Tweet from John Arnold. Us News Survey of Americans who have placed a bet in the past six months lists a bunch of stats 25% have been unable to pay a bill because of gambling. Listen, we went through this last week on the Friday shows. If you want to check it out, go check out the Friday show after we're done this video. But this isn't the tweet we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the next one, coming from Chamath, who is a, I guess, early investor in Facebook, has kind of made his name in the Twitter streets, in the public sphere, by being talking a lot about I don't know, I don't know how to describe maybe financial advice, just someone who talks a lot. 

01:06:49 - Kirk Evans (Host)
The all in podcast is where I feel like you're probably most known from there. 

01:06:52 - Jason Cooper (Host)
it is the all in podcast. Sorry, I didn't do my research there, sorry guys, but anyways, here he is saying terrible, look for online sports gambling. Individual states are poorly run by governors and state houses with very little financial acumen, so they run deficits or misallocate capital and then turn to simple, superficial ways to generate revenue, like sports gambling Turns out, it creates negative societal consequences. In that way, sports gambling is equivalent to the legalization of marijuana in its corrosiveness to a healthy, well-functioning society. I mean, do you guys agree with that take where sports betting is the same as re-legalization? I mean, there's a lot of obvious good on there. 

01:07:35 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I just find it such an odd take from like I think he would certainly consider himself a right-leaning person who, like, is typically more on like the freedom side and like you get to make personal choice. So like I just find it so odd to to think that you should be able to take away those, uh, people's choice. Like if people want to gamble on sports or want to smoke weed, I think that is like pretty clearly something they should be able to do. I think we've talked about this endlessly, about the I think there should clearly be some more regulation and I think the actual regulators don't know what they're doing. But also, like to me, I like to look at things in terms of, like what if they were totally neutral? 

01:08:20
Like we, let's say sports gambling, marijuana and alcohol, we were deciding if all of them should be legal or illegal. Like they're all probably reasonably similar in terms of corrosiveness. But the thing is, since we have lived in a life where sports, gambling and marijuana weren't legal, we're like, oh why did we legalize them? But if we wanted to make alcohol illegal, people would say that's like they would march on the street. So, like I think you have to give people choice within reason, but at the same time you have to regulate within reason as well. 

01:08:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So many things I want to touch on there. I don't view marijuana as anywhere close to being anything like of the sports gambling industry. I would say, Like marijuana's downsides, which are you saying marijuana's less bad? 

01:09:07 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yeah. 

01:09:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean listen like you know there's upsides to marijuana. There's medicinal upsides, helps people sleep, helps me watch planet earth at night. You know whatever the hell else I'm doing, you know I don't gambling. I think so like to me. I think he actually made some decent points in like the mid paragraph. I don't necessarily agree, but I can understand that the train of thought there. I I think that there's like this. 

01:09:37
It's really challenging because I I understand the negative consequences that are associated with sports gambling, but I don't think it's necessarily just sports gambling that brings those consequences. I think it's how it's been ruled out right. I think it's a legislative issue. I've talked about this before right. I think we and and jeff's brought it up about, like the countless commercials we see non-stop like there could have been a way to roll out sports betting where it had less negative consequences to society as a whole. So I don't know that it's necessarily like because of poor financial acumen from legislate like governors and state houses. I just think it's just people regulating an industry that that really don't know that what they're doing or didn't understand the downside that could come with it. 

01:10:24
I don't care about the legalization, like the comparison to the legalization of weed. I think that's just like a really weird comparison. Honestly, I will say, though, to your point, kirk, like the fact that he's right leaning and has this take, I think is actually kind of healthy, because I think nowadays people's takes are pretty much influenced entirely by whether they are blue or red, left or right, and they're like stuck in that corner of like it's basically everything's black and white. So I kind of find it refreshing when someone has a take that may not align with their political views yeah, okay. 

01:11:01 - Kirk Evans (Host)
So so I agree with you in terms of people are very like dogmatic in all their political views, are just whichever team they're on, which I do think is quite bad, but to me it's more so. Like I would say, if you asked chamath, like how is he on a one to ten scale? Uh, pro freedom, he would probably say he's a nine or ten, but then wanting to not have marijuana or sports gambling legalization, that's like misaligned with his opinion. So I agree, I think not being aligned with where your party stands is very healthy, I agree, but to me it's more a misalignment with what he would say his opinions are. 

01:11:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I mean they've allowed the books to get whatever they want and to bully the market and bully the consumer, yeah, and to ban anyone who shows a pulse, even if they've never even withdrawn a dollar from you. So I mean, I think he's right, I think the government, at least where we are, has proven to be the worst fucking drug dealer on the history of Earth, the least profitable drug dealer ever. But they might even be a worse bookie from at least meeting their goals, because a bookie actually wants to dominate the customer. The government should just be trying to create a fair and balanced playing field, and they have not allowed for us to get anywhere close to it. 

01:12:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, the last thing I'll say on this is that people forget. Before the legalization of gambling, people were still gambling, right, you weren't seeing all the ads nonstop. 

01:12:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Are there less? 

01:12:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
people were gambling Way less. 

01:12:50 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Way less people were gambling, so that's a good thing. 

01:12:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, it can and can't be. But there are negatives associated with. I've literally met with guys before that are carrying guns when I'm going to meet with them to collect money. 

01:13:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like that's not what you owe. Yeah, that's fine, sure, but like you know what I'm getting at, I'd rather someone show up with a gun than me be betting money I don't fucking have. 

01:13:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And then being charged 30% interest my point. I'd rather like, when I owe you five grand, you're holding a gun as I pay you five grand, I know, but the point is that people have always been betting with money that they don't have. It's continuing. 

01:13:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Okay, so then you show up with enough so your bookie won't need to use the gun. 

01:13:37
It's happening at scale and you kick the can down the road because the bookie doesn't want you dead. The bookie wants you to pay enough where he trusts you and he wants you to keep betting. That's bookie 101. You don't even have to pay all at once, you just need to pay enough where you don't upset him and you kick the can down the road. My point is that and most of them aren't charging you a VIG so crazy ones are, but most of them aren't charging you a VIG, so crazy ones are, but most of them aren't. 

01:14:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All I'm saying is pre-regulation. This stuff was happening. It was happening quietly, sounds healthy. 

01:14:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You didn't hear about it Sounds healthier than what's happening is my point. I agree. 

01:14:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
A couple of people staring down a gun versus gambling being made cool to 12-year-olds who love sports. 

01:14:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's where I draw the line. 

01:14:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There is no comparison to me, which is a worse outcome for us. But when it says turns out it created negative societal consequences. There's always been negative societal consequences with gambling. When it was not regulated, there was tons of negative societal consequences of gambling. There's still debt. There's people like again no means to properly collect money. There's all sorts of problems that came with that regulation should have. 

01:14:49
Obviously, a goal of regulation was to, like, create some sort of tax money and some benefit for the government as a whole. There was always going to, it was always going to become more mainstream. It's just become too mainstream, if you. If so, it's. It's like again I I just go back to the rollout of sports betting across america, north america as a whole could have been done in a way that was less harmful to everyone involved. There could have been limits, responsible gaming limits, instituted right away out the door, where you can't bet more than X amount of money or whatever right. I'm not saying I'm the person that's giving the best solutions here, necessarily, but I think it's more so the rollout of legalization. 

01:15:35 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, I think that's fair to say. I mean, listen, if they're looking for my advice. Chamath, I think you're more mad at how the government is run than with sports betting. I don't think he's looking for my advice, but one person who is is Mike at RAS, at Mike R, underscore RAS this is a little bit of a long one. This is the same one. This is the same, mike RAS. 

01:15:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
So this is the real account. The other one is just the business account. No, it's the exact same account. 

01:15:59 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Tweeting about both. 

01:16:05 - Jason Cooper (Host)
No no, no, no, this isn't the guy who runs thoracic. Okay, you're thinking of ed, yes, ed golden, yeah, anyways, uh, this is a long one, so strap in if you're an audio listener, because I want to read this entire situation out. Uh, for you guys. So mike tweets x. I need advice on how to handle a situation. 

01:16:18
Next door neighbors recently put up a fence when they built a pool. My 13 year old plays soccer and sometimes the ball is leaving the yard. We have a full-size goal that backs up to the fence. He says the fence is like 10 yards away, that we do plan on moving to the other side of the yard. So this, so the ball stops flying into the pool area but in. 

01:16:37
But in meantime, a woman woman, next door owner's girlfriend comes over and looks visibly shaken. I think something is terribly wrong, like someone assaulted her. She lets me know the following soccer, soccer balls are semi-regularly coming into the pool. Kids are sometimes climbing the fence to get the ball and get told it's an expensive fence and that kids should not be on the fence. Kids are coming in to get the ball without asking. A ball once hit her car. I of course, find find all this unacceptable and am livid and ready to strangle my kids. I'm so mad at them livid. I then ask her what the kids should do if a ball goes into her yard. She says it's gone forever. Not proud of my reaction after that. But I went from sympathetic to ready to have her committed. I understand she has're equipped to this. 

01:17:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
You have some kids, I mean. This reminds me of my childhood. 

01:17:39
I was like a lawyer neighbor on the block and we knew if it went into that backyard that was trouble. But other backyards you could like go in freely, yeah, without fear of anything. And then there were certain people like if it touched their grass you were like afraid to go get it. I mean the simplest solution is just don't delay. Move the net like you say. Like we're in the process of like moving the net. Move the net. I don't even believe her that they're gone forever. Like I don't think she's collecting soccer. Like a 60-year-old woman is like looking to have a soccer ball. Do you know what? 60-year-old he just said 

01:18:14 - Jason Cooper (Host)
an older Owner's girlfriend. Owner's girlfriend. It looks like Could be young, Okay sorry I read that wrong. 

01:18:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I don't know. I don't think she's looking for a collection of balls, but it sucks like the lines are drawn when the ball goes back there. It almost feels like there has to be like a collection that happens at the end of the day by the parent. Because they don't. I think it's fair for them to be like we don't want you climbing our fence yes, jumping into our yard that also has a pool. You have kids? Yes, like that. You know, there's usually rules about enclosing even outdoor pools, so she might worry about one of the kids falling into her pool. Yes, so I. There just has to be a relationship where she can, at the end of the day, just throw the balls on your side of the driveway or something Like that's it. 

01:19:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That sucks, but that's what I got I there's like a, a rational agreement that is somewhere in between, the ball is gone forever. Yeah, you know like they're. They're kids Like me and my brother used to play in the backyard and we used to throw ball in the backyard and we'd always try to make like a leaping grab over the fence First, like try to time it so that you could like that was what we do when we were kids, like just stealing a home, run right, balls would go in my neighbor's yard all the time. I'd run around to the fence and he's like an older guy and he'd be like ah, you know, don't go into the question they're tomatoes and then he would just throw them back over after a while and you just come to like an agreement. 

01:19:40
This is like fucking, like bond villain type of shit. Like Like we're keeping all the balls, like there's nothing you can do about it, like I agree with you, have some like it's kids At the end of the day, just be like, listen, I don't want the kids coming into the yard. We have a pool, there's liability At the end of the night, every night I'll throw the balls back over, or once a couple times a week, just couple times a week. Just don't have them come in the yard. Like you know what I'm saying. 

01:20:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like that's just a very normal, reasonable thing I would even think like it doesn't even have to be. Like when she's like I think she's going out in her yard, she sees the ball, she could just throw a bat. Like it doesn't even have to be, like she has to keep them for two days. She can, she should be able to, instantaneously when she sees them. Yeah, return them. You have. But the easiest solution is you're gonna have to just get an extra ball or two and you obviously can't have the net up against that fence. 

01:20:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, yeah that's I mean, you're gonna, you're gonna have to. It sucks, you're gonna have to adapt, like it's a little like. Let's the final sentence. 

01:20:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Let's say a ball is flying in once a day, once a day but I agree that like what, uh, like you're a father, father is trying to be calm and sympathetic and this woman is going to tell you gone forever. 

01:20:48 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah. 

01:20:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like that's when like lines are drawn. That's when, like now, oh no, no, no, no, no. Now we are in like a um. 

01:20:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's basically like a cold war between the two elements, like now like. 

01:21:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
What music don't you like? That's the music that I will be playing. 

01:21:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Or your shed might be a little bit too close to the property line. Maybe bylaw enforcement's going to get a call type of situation. 

01:21:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Right, you don't. These are dirty, dirty games. If you've got the time, like Real Fats has, you can lay a number on these people. 

01:21:24 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing for me, the biggest takeaway here is mike, you got to get your kid better at soccer if he's listening that's not fair. 

01:21:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That's not fair. 

01:21:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, sorry, that was uh that was obviously a performance here it's not like yeah, it's having fun in the yard like crazy trick shots like trying to hit the post or something every child who's ever played in their backyard understands that balls go over the fence and jeff's right. Sometimes you know, like I don't go in this person's yard because they've told me not to go in their yard before. But guess what? They throw the balls back over some others. Maybe you, they're, they're more lenient, you. You kind of have to feel it out if somebody tells you stop going in the yard, you don't go anymore. But at some point they should. They should just give the balls back because at the end of the day it's fucking kids like. I don't know if this girl had kids in the pool and they got smoked in the head by a ball coming over the fence, maybe a different story and I can understand why there would be a bad reaction. But children are playing Like, let them be kids. 

01:22:26 - Jason Cooper (Host)
If there's one thing I know about kids, they'll do basically anything to get those balls back. So if you tell them gone forever. 

01:22:32
They'll figure out a way like Miss Finster recess style. It won't be good, but anyways, let's move on to our next topic here. Before we do, just a quick word from our sponsor. What's up everyone, jason Cooper. That title apparently belongs to Uncle K, just ask him, but I do know this. 

01:22:54
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01:23:45
Puck's a great name, by the way for this comment, jeff. Any thoughts on the Cheswood Arena? 

01:23:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, it looks like a warehouse from the outside, but you walk in and it's a very nice poker room. 

01:23:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Cheswood Arena yeah, it looks like a warehouse from the outside, but you walk in it's a very nice poker room. Yeah, they're the unit. I mean. This was my entire youth. There was like hundreds of units across the city that people would set up and run games out of. It's just the way it was growing up. Thank Chris Moneymaker for that. The poker boom. Fair enough, all right on to the next one. Out of it's just the way it was growing up thank chris moneymaker for that. 

01:24:15 - Jason Cooper (Host)
The poker boom, fair enough, all right on to the next one. Uh, coming from nelson patten away to probably pronouncing that wrong, uh, I have noticed that the the better you are at betting, the worse your hairline is. Rob is losing it fast, kirk is younger and losing it faster, while jeff and, let's say, jason have tremendous hairlines. Kirk has the George Springer going on, that's you know. The George Springer is kind of tough Kirk. 

01:24:42 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I'm considering getting plugs. This might get me over the line. 

01:24:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You know what? There's something to this. You know Me and you struggling China, great, better, completely bald. Kanish, horrible, better still got his hair. 

01:24:56 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Look at Fezzik full head. 

01:25:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
A beautiful head of hair he does have great hair. He really does have great hair. I mean there's something to it. I don't know. My hairline has always been. It's receded quite a bit, but it's always been. 

01:25:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I think Rufus has great hair, though doesn't he. 

01:25:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Or am I missing that? Rufus has good hair and drew dinsink the way? 

01:25:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
great hair, yeah, yeah, but yeah, a little locky bald costos beautiful hair, I guess there, there, there is at least a small correlation. 

01:25:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've placed a lot of big bets in my life Uncomfortably large bets, I think that's contributed. I'm not scared to admit it, but I certainly lost hair because of bets, I'm certain. 

01:25:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
But you even watch outside of prime time games I used to watch Jeff. 

01:25:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I used to watch. Thank God for Derek Fisher nailing that three at the buzzer against the Spurs. 

01:25:56 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Okay, good for you All right. Next one here from Good Grooves5330. I'm curious, from an ignorant position such as myself, or even as a good bettor slash gambler how do you know when other people are good bettors? It all seems to be cloaked in secrecy. How would I know whether or not Rob does place good bets? 

01:26:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Rob, it's a really good question. It's a great question, it's actually really good. 

01:26:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Can you give three things? 

01:26:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, I would say the honest answer here is great bettors tend to build up good networks where they know other great bettors and then you just communicate over time behind the scenes, like I know we joke a lot about like the hard vouch, soft vouch or whatever. But you tend to meet a lot of other bettors through vouching, right Through someone saying I worked with Kirk and he's done great. It was whatever. So I don't know that there's actually a good solution for this and I would suggest, even as I tell you like Kirk is a great better you know I've done well myself I would still suggest taking everything you hear online with a grain of salt, even when it comes from someone who you think you know and you think you respect. I think it's fair to question everything really, and that should be your mindset, but the reality is we just know each other through kind of experience. I I don't know how that. There's a better answer than that. 

01:27:19 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I think it's exactly that. Yeah, like this is a topic that's talked about a lot amongst betters and, like I would say, there's like buckets of like this guy's obviously good, this guy's like a larper, this guy's in between, so like, yeah, you kind of just hear things, but there are definitely a lot of people out there who, like I would say, the general twitter community think are good, who suck, I would is this person like? 

01:27:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
obviously, like you know pros vouching among other pros, but I feel like he's talking about, like I am a casual like myself. Like how do I tell if someone knows what they're doing? Like, clearly, if someone is, I know enough to know someone is like making their bets on sunday mornings and touting them right, yeah, I know, but like, is that strictly based on like seeing someone better, at least seeing someone that? 

01:28:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
gets so for sure, I would say that those are signs. But like so, I went from casual better to sharp, better, right, and like, the light bulb moment for me was other sharp people, at least people that I think are sharp. I have a good like Rufus would be an example, right, I think I've always known Rufus as sharp in some capacity since the beginning of time, since I first came across his name. So it's now. Is he engaging respectfully with another person? And if that's the case, I kind of lump them in. So if they're having a conversation about sports betting, I kind of transferred. 

01:28:56
I basically looked at the community as a whole and who's engaging with one another and the manner in which they're doing so, and that led me to believe that, like for a long time, I had people coming after me on Twitter Seville guys back in the day. To their credit, nowadays they were absolutely right to call me an idiot because I was. I was a talking head that followed a lot of sports, thought I was going to be good at betting sports. These people were very vocal and, listen, they probably could have approached it in a way where they didn't call me like the things that they did, but I just dismissed it for a while and then over time I started seeing kind of how the community interacts. I'm like you know what? These guys probably know something and are onto something, and that should change my opinion. 

01:29:50
That's basically the way it works for me. I think you can look at the circles of people that interact with one another and you can gain a lot of valuable, meaningful stuff out of that. If you know for certain or with a high degree of probability that someone is a fraud, the people that are interacting with them pretty regularly likely not going to be on the sharp side. If you know with a high degree of probability that someone is sharp, the people that are interacting with them pretty regularly likely not going to be on the sharp side. If you know with a high degree of probability that someone is sharp, the people they're interacting with regularly are probably going to be on a sharp side. It's not like a 100% rule of thumb, but that's the way I would approach these types of situations, and the reality is you can never know for sure, so don't just blindly bet anything or tell someone or believe everything you say, but that's how I would approach it. 

01:30:38 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Agree with that for sure. Yeah, jeff, anything there or no? 

01:30:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, I mean, I'm still like A. I'm not aspiring to be a pro bettor, but again, it's just sort of like as a casual, like just picking up as many like little tips, yeah, as possible. To the point where now it's like I'll get together with my buddies on sunday morning and I'll be like the boring guy, like no, I'm kind of I was done betting two days ago, like that's it, like I learned enough a few years ago to know like I'm, if I'm not getting my bets in by then, they're just I, I miss the boat and I'll I'm not betting, yeah, other than like then I miss the boat and I'm not betting, other than, like primetime games. I'm a little sucker for standalone football, I mean that, but I don't have hobbies and I'm home and that's it. That's it. I'll swallow enough L's. 

01:31:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I didn't see that question, but I'd like to think about that more. I'll maybe put a video out on that one one day because I think that's a really interesting topic, right, but it's like tiered and leveled, because to different levels of betters that's a different answer. 

01:31:44
Well, and there's also so much misinformation. For example, there's been a very clear falling. We all used to interact on Spaces. There's been a very clear falling out because of the poker scandal that happened with man of the vig and um blue beard and flop and what you were dragged into it because you sponsored, like adam and adam minerals you know like, but there's been a very clear divide now, right? 

01:32:07
So if anyone were to go into those spaces, and the elf spaces in particular, and they were to hear the conversation around guys like us or storm or whatever you know, you'd have brett mouthing off that, like, all these guys are fucking frauds or whatever. But I would just say, like, look at the people that they are interacting with regularly and that would give you a pretty good idea of where they stand in the totem pole or pecking order. And then look at the people that we are regularly like this is not some coordinated effort from like 200 sharps to to mislead everyone. I mean guys that we have on the Friday, like Porter, china, mr Peanut, like these are very, very good betters that people, everyone who works with what a test do so just like, follow the circles. 

01:32:57 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, follow the circles. Interesting pun there. Anyways, let's move on to the chopping block. I mean, rob, you talked about doing stuff for yourself and kind of learning for yourself. It seems like this couple at the Yankees game wanted to figure some things out for themselves to see, maybe, if they would get caught not caught for those who don't know if you've been living under a rock for the past, like, let's call it, 16 hours. Uh, twitter account at cutter is king. Uh tweets out a video that unfortunately, we can't show but we have screenshots of. He says nice to see. Yankee stadium is still a great place to bring the family, and in the video I don't know how to describe it, but there is a guy with a Phillies hat and he's there with his girlfriend New York Yankees shirt and his hand is maybe somewhere. It shouldn't be on her body in a public place Use a baseball analogy. 

01:33:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is that like getting to second base, getting to? 

01:33:57 - Jason Cooper (Host)
second base. That's actually a great one. So I mean, this is just the craziest thing. I never knew how to preview this, but there's been a couple videos coming out. There's another one from Cutter as King oh my God, it's gone even worse and you can see him leaning in Another one where she's leaning into him. I mean it's, it's gone a little bit crazy. 

01:34:15
Now I'm going to pull up, though my favorite tweets from as a result of this. My my favorite one right now is from Professor Jack. Professor Jack King off. He said we've all done this before, which I mean. So on brand for his name. I love it. And then there's big content. Guy, imagine trying to watch your bullpen get out of a jam and the guy next to you is just absolutely resetting his chicks. Router Patches. Ohulhan at Sondra on Twitter, said Pedro Pascal when he has anxiety Great topical tweet If anyone's been watching the fantastic for rollout. Rob Gucci at Heat Daddy Another great follow. Darting your chick's box with a Phillies flat brim on is insane. And then I got to send my condolences to Johnny there, because he says my girlfriend had the pleasure of visiting Yankee Stadium yesterday with her friend Dave. He always wears a Phillies hat and a jersey and offered to take her, which was awesome. Hope they had a great time. Tough bounce for Johnny there. Any thoughts, guys? I mean it's. 

01:35:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm all for passion at the ballpark, but I think this is pushing the boundaries. I don't know. I went to a concert last year in Montreal where I saw Where's this going, where I saw people were having sex at the concert Like I've seen people having sex. 

01:35:40
I was in the general admission floors and I was like to the right side of the stage and there was like a ruckus happening beside me. So I turned over and a bunch of people were leaving the section. I'm like what the fuck's going on? And then I realized what was happening. So I've seen this happen in person and it kind of I mean, I'm not going to lie I kind of thought it was pretty funny. The people around were like I mean, if I was sitting right behind these people I'd be like what the fuck is going on? I'd be really upset. But from far away I was having a pretty good laugh. So I don't know, I would just say at the ballpark, like kids with, like you know, eating Cracker Jacks, like fucking you know, 10 feet away, I don't know that I would be going down that that's wild. 

01:36:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
That being said, like as crazy as it is like a modicum of respect, like you got the guts to pull that off. Like Like you got the guts to pull that off like crazy Usually. You know we'll see a few of this. It is the last year of Ralph Wilson Stadium. You know we've seen a few finger darts or like a few things. You know everything goes down there. So it's just getting us ready for football season. But I don't know. Fuck the Yankees, fuck the Philly fan, fuck them all, not literally, by the way, not literally no. 

01:36:56
have these people been outed at IRL? It seems like there's enough identification markers. 

01:37:02 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Yeah, and the thing's gone viral enough. 

01:37:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Not quite the Coldplay affair viral, but it's gone viral enough where, yeah, it'll come out, yeah, I will say I like, I think, but now you want to see a frontal. I don't, I don't even care, I just I just want to see what she looks like. I don't mean you want to see her naked you just want to see. 

01:37:24 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I thought a frontal was like from the other angle. 

01:37:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, I don't care, like yeah you, just I, you almost want to just see now I just want to see a picture of them at at her sister's wedding. 

01:37:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like what they look like, what, um you know, in in normal society these two look like about 15 years ago we were like co-producing red heat with cam stewart at the score and cam's like not a traditional, um, he loves viral shit like this. But back in the day it was so hard to find this stuff so we would like accumulate them over the course of a week or two and usually they would be like clips that were sent down in whatever that system was we were using. It's like oh, like you know, like the Phillies mascot, like trips while he's running the bases and like Cam would do like a minute segment on it and how it was, and he'd make it funny, I imagine. I can't help but think and this is just a me story like if we ran that show today with cam and it would be. There's so many like viral things, so many things that can be talked about on a daily basis, that come across my timeline. I almost get overloaded by the amount of shit that I see. 

01:38:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Well, that old show you could have just produced from like Glory Days Deadspin, yeah, like it was pretty much just running cam off of the Deadspin headlines at peak Deadspin. 

01:38:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, we're not talking about. There was other sites. It was like Sports by Brooks. 

01:38:45 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Sports by Brooks Therese Owens. Yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah, a lot of that shit. 

01:38:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I used to have to work so hard to find a good clip that we could put into the show. 

01:38:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
And now I could just produce that and find it. But even Barstool 1.0 to me was useful to just have a compilation video of all the insanity that happened in the Bills tailgates that day, so they would just do all the work for us. It's true, you can't lie. It's true Like. 

01:39:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Fezzik's pick sheet. You're just finding a way to welcome it to everyone, sorry, not me, steve, don't send me the text you got Jeff's number. 

01:39:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Listen, let's get into the next he's got my DM and we're open. Peace and love, peace and love. 

01:39:32 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Next one coming up here. I will say before we get off this topic, us local Toronto guys we had a similar experience to the Yankees fan there I believe last year. There was a couple in the nosebleeds thinking that they were a little bit more private. 

01:39:49 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I thought you were talking about the hotels. 

01:39:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, no, the window open the. Rogers Centre Hotel. 

01:39:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I'm sure the Rogers Center Hotel, I'm sure there's been that too, but I think I know what Jason's talking about. 

01:39:58 - Jason Cooper (Host)
That might have been two years ago. Anyways, they weren't using their head. Maybe they need a helmet. Speaking of helmets, next one right here Someone fell off the raft when the Browns did the helmet reveal. I just can't Unfortunately can't do video here in this slideshow, but I tried to get the best action shots of the guy falling. I mean, is this the most like brown's thing to happen? Uh, on on the internet where they have a logo reveal and the cameraman just slips and falls into the water? 

01:40:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm gonna put the uh tin foil hat on here. I think that this is this might have been staged. I like that the browns helmet reveal. It's like a way to get more attention onto it, like who the fuck is watching this or cares about it in any capacity? I mean, I will say it does look real. It does look like the guy took a misstep. So if it is fake, it's a good acting job in my opinion. But why is he taking this route to take a picture of his kid, like that's what was really bothering me? He this route to take a picture of his kid, like that's what was really bothering me. He's trying to catch a picture of his kid in the 99 jersey. Why is he walking around? Kid, what? Wait? Hold on what, what, what kid are you talking? 

01:41:04
about for the to the left of this there's enough. You see, in the left there's an old lady right here, this is a parent. 

01:41:09 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I assume this is a guy from brown social media. He's trying to take a a picture of this. 

01:41:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, I thought it was Brown Social. 

01:41:15 - Kirk Evans (Host)
But maybe it was fake. 

01:41:17 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I'm not saying I agree, I could see it being fake, yeah it's definitely not 0% fake. 

01:41:22 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I'm a real hot guy. I don't see this. You don't see it being fake. I don't see it. I watched the video enough times to try and get a screenshot. 

01:41:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
It looks. Why do they even need a float? 

01:41:32 - Kirk Evans (Host)
to do this. Yeah, this is just the dumbest thing I've ever seen. 

01:41:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Like everything about it is dumb. Maybe it's fake. It's true, why could they not put this? 

01:41:39 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
giant helmet on land. 

01:41:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're winning me over a little bit. What was the problem? 

01:41:42 - Jason Cooper (Host)
You're winning me over a little bit. 

01:41:44 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Great point, jeff. Great point. None of it makes sense, but like the Browns don't seem. How do I put this in? Like a naduian way, they take themselves way too seriously. There's no way that they would um play into the narrative of them being sloppy or clumsy. Fair like that's just not a thing they would do is play, play into it yeah, yeah, right. 

01:42:12 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Next one on the chopping block here it's Happy Gilmore 2. It released over the weekend. I know a couple of friends saw it. I didn't watch it yet. Rob, I know you saw it. You brought it up in a tweet. Jeff saw it. He was bored by it. 

01:42:26 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
It's amazing how quickly. 

01:42:27 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Fake anger spreads. I doubt most people rage posting about Happy Gilmore 2. Even care Manufacturing outrages, the new marketing, 74% popcorn meter on Rotten Tomatoes with over 1,000 reviews, but I'm expected to believe this is the worst movie ever. A couple other takes here Sammy P saying if you think Happy Gilmore 2 is the worst movie ever, you're just looking for attention. What did you expect? Citizen Kane, it's a Sandler movie. Fair enough. Sammy P, dave Portnoyoy. Other point of view if you loved it and thought it was hilarious, you are brain dead. Uh, no disrespect. I just refuse to believe anybody could love it. That's impossible. A couple more tweets to get through here. Jordan schultz at schultz report. Not sure if this is a hot take or not, but here it goes. Happy gilmore 2 might be the worst movie I've ever seen Absolutely abysmal. The original Happy is glorious in every single way and I was thrilled about the sequel, but I'm still in shock with how bad this was Literally unwatchable. Have you guys all seen Happy Gilmore 2 or no? I haven't seen it. 

01:43:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
I haven't seen it, but this is the dumbest take ever. Anyone that had an expectation of it being nothing other than a few recycled jokes and cheap laughs and easy watch for like an hour and 20 minutes. You're an idiot. 

01:43:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Close to two hours but yeah, you fell asleep through some parts. 

01:43:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Expecting this to be great would be like expecting who's like a 90-year-old baseball player to come out and like pitch a good game today Like. What are we talking about? 

01:44:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's like bringing Greg Maddux back into the league and saying like go pitch against these guys with your pinpoint control you watched it because out of respect and equity to see the recycled jokes, to see the modern cameo golfers. 

01:44:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
This was like net, like sandler, doing the least possible he could to find out how this even came together. Yeah, like to know. 

01:44:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It sucks, is so obvious I I could tell you exactly how it came together. His daughter, I assume, is trying to break into acting. She plays a major part in the movie. His sons are also in the movie, so it's like adam sandler is at the point where he has the adam sandler's been running a grift on Netflix and the world for a long time. 

01:44:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
He's got to meet a quota. This was the low-hanging, laziest thing he could fucking do, and he gets to do it because he's Sandler and he's got to finish the job. 

01:44:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It was fine. First of all, there's things that bother me. There's very clear product placements throughout, which is listen, it's 2025, it's gonna happen. You know, the close-ups on the calloway ball and whatever. These are things that I noticed that, bob, they just agitate me, but they very clearly tried to fit like a ton of jokes into this movie, like they tried a lot and some of them are really bad and some of them are fucking hilarious, like the whole gimmick with him drinking out of fucking every spoiler alert people, like everything is is fucking hilarious. It's really, really funny. It's just like. It's just like a dumb movie that you like your expectations, should like, like we've been saying should not be elite. The golf at the end when they faced like the maxi tour guys, that sucked. That is a good premise, but the way they filmed it it felt like I was watching like like tiktok. 

01:45:55
I don't even think I'm gonna watch it, truth be told yeah, like I don't even care, no chance I'm gonna watch it I might actually watch it again. I'll be honest. 

01:46:02 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Well, okay, but I actually like. So I agree with you guys in the sense of obviously it was going to be bad. If you've literally watched five minutes of the last ten Adam Sandler movies, they're all the worst, it's better than those. 

01:46:15
They're horrible, horrible like, but some of those are like fucking uh, whatever do we halloween or whatever, like whatever, the fuck those movies are those stink to me, where I feel like you guys are let, like you guys are just saying like, oh, obviously it's gonna suck and that's kind of fine, but like to me it's just so depressed. Like happy gilmore one, that's a good point. It's like actually like a hysterical movie that everyone like holds so deeply in their heart and now all movies are just shitty remakes of ip and it's like just to me like movies. If you look at like the list of like most popular grossing grossing movies in like 2025 or 1997, everyone in 2025 is yeah, a remake or just old ip superhero. Superhero marvel was like the worst thing to ever happen in movies from a comedy perspective too. 

01:47:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Because of listen, because of the way society is, you, just, you just don't get the comedies that you used to but I don't. 

01:47:13 - Kirk Evans (Host)
I don't even agree that that's a society. I think. Well, they're not. 

01:47:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think studios aren't willing to take risks because I know that you're gonna fucking watch happy gilmore 2 twice yeah, that's a good point, but like, think of, think of, like I don't know what's an example I can think of, tropic thunder would be one that's like a black swan movie, though, if I had to say so myself, like that, that, you can never make that movie ever again. 

01:47:38 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Regardless of the time, like it's, it's a black black Swan but also actually don't. 

01:47:42 - Kirk Evans (Host)
because like now there's like if someone made like a super, whatever anti woke movie, like there's a huge segment of society who would be like, oh, like, I want to watch this comedy's back, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like it just doesn't happen anymore and it's really like, even like everything is like the share of new music that's listened to is less. 

01:48:04 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
It's all. It's all, it's bad. 

01:48:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Everything is worse. Like, just like I could take the thing like what's happened to movies is essentially what like fanatics did to sports merch. Yeah, yes, agreed. Like the quality is shit. Yeah, it's like it's just the worst. It's the worst monopoly thing ever. It's as bad as anything else. 

01:48:23 - Jason Cooper (Host)
yeah, relative to the conversation yes, we'll close out with go ahead kirk. Yeah, it's just yeah. So like a good point. 

01:48:29 - Kirk Evans (Host)
It doesn't matter to me if it's the worst movie ever, if it's a shitty movie, blah blah. It's just like. So sad that, like one, I do find like like to me. Game of throne, season eight is a perfect, even though it's different. That's obviously not a remake or anything. Ending something on such a sour note makes the whole thing feel like crap. The fact that Anchorman 2 existed- kind of ruins. 

01:48:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Anchorman 1. See, I don't agree with that. Dumb and Dumber or whatever to me does not impact dumb and dumber whatsoever, which I fucking love. 

01:49:04 - Kirk Evans (Host)
If the hangover one was a standalone movie, it would be regarded as one of the best comedies ever made. It still somewhat gets talked about, but two and three definitely take away from it. Like I just think there is. Some of the magic gets lost if you associate something completely shitty with something that was really great. 

01:49:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Should they have made the movie? No, is it the worst movie ever? Also, no. The amount of movies that I can name off that are worse than Happy Gilmore would be a list. Happy Gilmore to be thousands long Terrible movies. 

01:49:38 - Jason Cooper (Host)
I will be very sad when they uh make a step brothers too. I will not want to see that. But speaking of brothers, tj watt was in the news, massive contract. But jj watt was also in the news this past week. Uh, he did the triple nine challenge. For those who don't know, it's when you sit through nine innings of baseball. Uh, that's one challenge. And then the other two challenges are eating nine hot dogs and drinking nine beers. He was asking people if it would be fun, miserable, entertaining. Well, guess what? He absolutely crushed the shit out of this because he was seven and seven through three innings and he was able to finish his nine beers and nine hot dogs at five and a half innings. 

01:50:20
Now some people were kind of giving him shit because apparently you're supposed to do one beer, one hot dog per inning, yeah yeah, but I, I I will say I attempted this, I got to seven, but jeff, over there, he made me, he made me leave before I could finish it. Anyways, I wasn't finishing it for Timus, I told him not to fucking start. 

01:50:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Yeah, I will say it. I told him I'm not staying to watch him do it, so he shouldn't start. 

01:50:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it's harder to like is it yeah to space it out? Yeah, because you kind of build up like the bloat over time. 

01:50:50 - Kirk Evans (Host)
No, no, he destroyed it. Crushing nine hard jobs in five innings is crazy. He's going in no matter what, yeah. But also it sounds way less enjoyable if you have to do one and one every inning because you're getting up and going to the concessions after every inning. 

01:51:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, that's also a good point. 

01:51:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Looks like he's in a nice box. 

01:51:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:51:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Maybe not actually. 

01:51:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's hard to tell. I'll say, like 25-year-old me, absolutely Like. This sounds like a glorious afternoon or night. I just don't have it in me anymore. Now I think of like do I have heartburn medication on me? Like, where's the nearest emergency? Like I need to be situated next to a garbage can. 

01:51:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Where's the defibrillator? 

01:51:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, so no, I want to do the two. You know, the two, two, two challenge. The two, two, two, two hot dogs. But on the way into the game, the sausage vendor on the corner, or the rock. Two beers and two quick power naps. That is a great day for me, right there, if I can sit in my seat. Oh yeah, done that before you wake up to the crack of the bat every now and then. It's actually amazing. That is very interesting. No one's ever done this before you never like fell asleep at a game. 

01:52:03 - Jason Cooper (Host)
It's really quickly I, I, no, no, I'm. I'm curious to hear if anyone in the audience has, you can snap a picture of rob uh sleeping at a jay's game. 

01:52:11 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Hashtag circle back hashtag circle back. 

01:52:14 - Jason Cooper (Host)
All right, let's close it out the show here with our last tweet coming from amanda vance. And jeff, I saw your face there. You're like what the fuck is this? A huge announcement. I'm excited to officially announce my spot, my partnership with draft kings. Get ready to cash a lot of tickets with the best sports book out there. Hashtag dk partner. And it's sad to see because, uh, I don't know if she's a friend of the show, but this was tay Taylor Mathis' bag. It's not anymore, so now it goes to Amanda Vance. What? 

01:52:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
are your guys' thoughts? I say this unironically. I think this is a very good match. I agree, this is a perfect match. You have an unserious sports better with an unserious sports book. Put them together. 

01:53:04
Um, I don't dislike amanda vance as a person. I just kind of dislike what she represents with the entire industry. Uh. But if I was draft kings, amanda vance would probably be someone who I would look at as an influencer to represent my brand, sadly, as it stands nowadays. So I think it's a good fit. 

01:53:24
I just question whether or not, over time, the quote unquote like sports betting influencers in the space. We use the term influencer, right, but it's like how much are they actually influencing, is my question. And I don't work in marketing for a sports book. I obviously consulted for books in the past and I have like some data on this in the offshore space. But not every um following or like the amount of engagement you get is representative of somebody willing to take an action necessarily. So like here's. 

01:54:02
Here would be the example that I would use If Amanda tweeted out go and bet this at this sports book as a random example, but Kirk also tweeted out the same thing, sure that, kirk, despite having a much, much smaller following would probably get more people to generate that click than amanda necessarily would, for a variety of reasons that we don't have to get into, but you can do the math. So, um I I first of all, good fit, can't complain about it. Second of all, I wonder how long these are going to happen for in the future and whether these companies are actually seeing movement off of spending dollars with influencers in the sports betting space. 

01:54:50 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, I think I disagree. That's like honestly kind of a clear, perfect fit. I actually kind of think Amanda Vance's are pretty rare for a company like DraftKings. She's kind of more actual influencer-y, but she's in the sports betting space so I do agree with you. I'm not sure how much she actually moves the needle, but I think it obviously makes sense for her to to be like a drafting sponsor. 

01:55:22 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
that feels like actually quite a reasonable fit this windsor hill, 12 foot by 12 foot hardtop gazebo in black is 42 off at home depot. Do you care what you don't care? That's how little I fucking care about this. Holy shit. Can we go home? 

01:55:46 - Jason Cooper (Host)
all right. Well, that's that will wrap up the show for today, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. To circle back reminder if you made it this far, smash that like button goes a long way for us in the algorithm. And if you want to drop your comment section down below, get in on the conversation. Maybe you do care about the. What was it? 

01:56:05 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
The shed from. 

01:56:06 - Jason Cooper (Host)
Home. 

01:56:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Depot who knows. 

01:56:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It is a good deal. That was a great bit. 42% off at Home. 

01:56:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
Depot. Yeah, it's originally $2,200. 

01:56:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is it a? 

01:56:14 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
floor model, though I'm not sure. I just went to Home Depot, because I don't give a shit about that, and then I found something that I gave less a shit about. 

01:56:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Is that what you do when you're just doom scrolling? You go to Home Depot. 

01:56:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Host)
No, right there, because we're into the show and I didn't care. I was trying to find something. At first I thought I'd give you a grocery price, but maybe you like cucumbers. I didn't know. I love cucumbers. I just made a joke. 

01:56:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Take a little toke cucumbers in some ranch dressing Banger. All right, let's get out of here, Jeff wants to go home. 

01:56:46 - Jason Cooper (Host)
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