00:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
On this week's episode of Circles Off, me and Johnny are going to talk about some horrible, horrible beats that we suffered this past weekend. We're taking your Q&As, we'll talk a little bit about etiquette on airplanes and at the airport All that and more. This week's Circles Off starts now. Welcome to Circles Off, episode number 124, part of the Hammer Betting Network presented by Pinnacle Sportsbook. I am Rob Pizzola, joined by Johnny from Betstamp. How's it going? 

00:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Very good, rob. We got a Q&A show today. We do, but first episode number 24, the late great Kobe Bryant Can't. I mean there's a couple other 24s I'll mention, but I don't think any as popular as that. I got a Leafs legend pretty much as legendary as Kobe Bryant in the Maple Leafs space. 

00:50
This guy hammered home a bunch of one-timers from number 15. Thomas Cabriolet, on the point over to Brian McCabe, was chased out of town after he scored in his own net in overtime against Buffalo. But before then, man, in those back in the days when we were beating up on the Sens, what a ride. Brian McCabe, brian. 

01:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
McCabe. I'll go as far as saying legend, leafs, legend, leafs, legend, leafs, legend. With that hair too, oh man, yeah, kobe's the obvious 24. Baseball had a lot of good 24s. Ken Griffey a lot of good 24s. Ken griffey jr wore 24. I love ken griffey jr. I'm a left-handed, I'm a switch hitter, but I'm a left-handed bat and I used to like really try to imitate ken griffey jr's iconic stance at the plate. You swing both ways. I do swing both ways. Manny ramirez, big 24. Man ram, who else? 

01:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know money 24, chris chelios, chelios, oh, kissberry caponin you know all the leaf guys. 

01:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, marshall, lynch, march on. Oh, lynch, come on beast mode beast mode skittles. 

01:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, there's probably a bunch of running backs, actually two, four. No, it's corn, it's a cornerback number. Well, running backs are 20 to true big Nick Chubb's 24. 

02:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Chubby, but yeah, all the corn chub. Chad Bailey Darrell Revis, yeah, revis as well. Who was the Patriots corner? 

02:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Gilmore, no, no, no, was he 24? 

02:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Before that, before that Early run Ty Law. 

02:16 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I think Gilmore was 24. 

02:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, Gilmore wore 24. 

02:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're wow, didn't he win defensive player? What do you win on patriots? Super bowls, bro? He did wear 24 in the past. All right, and we're gonna get into this question and answer, but before we do, I actually have one question for rob, and that's rob, what is your sports book of choice? 

02:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
well, it's funny you mentioned that, johnny. It would be pinnacle sports book, the number one sports book in market, been in business for 25 years for a reason everyday competitive odds. Make sure you bet smart bet pinnacle. Your trusted sports book in ontario must be in ontario 19 plus, not available in the us, and, as always, we preach it all the time. Please play responsibly. If you do sign up for pinnacle, use code hammer h-a-m-m-e-r. For those who can't spell hammer, just want to throw it out there, use code hammer. It does support the show and, uh, we can't pay zach without the signups. So make sure that you you do sign up for pinnacle in ontario all right, thank you very much. 

03:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
First question, rob. This one came in pretty late, but I snuck it into the list here. Okay, and this is what is professional gambler Rob Pizzola's NFL record year to date. Rob, the only reason I ask you is I know you suffered what some could only refer to as an absolutely treacherous loss on Sunday, so I wanted to get into that. First off, how's the season been? And then I'd love to hear your reaction to that horrible beat. 

03:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so I'll pull it up in real time here just so that we can my profit loss sheet really quickly, because I don't actually know Professional gambler in quotations. 

03:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I cannot completely understand why someone would think that if they've been he's chirping him, by the way, for those who he's not being he's being sarcastic. 

04:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
well, perfectly honest, the pizza buffet picks. The last two weeks have sucked and in fact last week in the nfl, week six was a pretty disastrous week, like a crippling week giving away pretty much most of the season profits. So we're heading into week seven at a 1.8 percent roi on the. So far that's positive, that's green, that's all you can ask for. It was significantly higher than that going into this week. And who do I have to thank for that? The New England Patriots, first of all. I don't believe in like higher powers and mushes and stuff like I honestly don't. But deep down there's part of me that's like what if? And I'm watching the patriots and the raiders holding patriots plus three 1917 the score. I go to log into my profit loss sheet to see how bad the week is going and I'm looking at this number and I I'm like holy shit, like this is this. We've lost a ton this week. Like I need this. Patriots win back Now. Little did I know that my partner already marked the Patriots as a loss In the sheet. 

05:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
As a reverse mush. 

05:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
As a reverse mush. That's strike one. Strike one he marked it as a loss. Might have had an impact. Strike two we have a telegram chat with all the forward progress creators. Alex Moreto comes in there, says Mac Jones, dying to take a safety right now, brutal. And ClevTA immediately responds he's like please, no, or or like, don't say that, or something along those lines. 

05:49
Mac jones throws a ball downfield like a 40 yard touch pass. Couldn't have thrown a better ball to davante parker. It goes right through his hands. Next play penalty on the patriots. Backs him up crippler. Next play not only do they double team max crosby, which they did, he runs right around mike gosicki, like he's not even there. Runs right around the right tackle. Might as well not even have been there. Takes mac jones down for a safety. Lose 21 17. Massive loss this week. So my record for the year. I don't like to think we've talked about this before. I don't keep track of like wins and losses. At the end of the day, when you're betting, it's about the bottom line. I don't care what the record is, it's 1.8 percent roi. It was a abysmal week very sorry to hear, rob. 

06:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's a tough way to lose a bet. Last minute safety I do. I hate to one-up you here if the audience thinks it's a one-up, but I may have actually lost a significantly worse bet. 

06:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe the worst beat suffered okay well, I'd like to hear it, because I sat in my sheet seat, uh shaking, for about 45 minutes afterwards I still could not believe what I had witnessed. You know when you think you're like it's not real. I've suffered bad beats before I'll take them. 

07:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, let me just explain something. All right. So listen that, mac Jones, safety. I don't think you were watching the game thinking I won this bet, I have it in the bag. You were probably thinking something along the lines of please, mac jones, do not throw a pick six, do not take a safety. Nothing stupid here, like just nothing stupid. Don't throw a pick six, no safety. And arguably, a pick six was not going to happen because they may have just slid inbounds very possible that they wouldn't have happened. 

07:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
New england had no timeouts left either. So for for sure, like to your point, you're right. 

07:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like what Moreto said, doesn't end the game, cause if you miss that extra point then you have to kick off. It's. It doesn't end the game, so they would have been in slide territory. 

07:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What Moreto said was what we were all thinking. Don't take a safety. Yeah, like in my head, before he even typed that. That's what's going through your head. Listen, I've been betting for 20 years. 20 years, that's not to pat myself on the back. I've been around this game. This is probably not even the worst beat I've ever. 

08:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
There's been way worse. 

08:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's worse beats than that. There's way worse. Imagine you bet the week two game last year where Nick Chubb could have just went down and ended the game against the Jets. He scores a touchdown. The Jets score a touchdown. They recover onside kick. They win 31-30. 

08:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, what about that game? 

08:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What about Miami? What? 

08:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
about the game where the Raiders got the. I think it was Raiders-Patriots last year, yeah when Chandler Jones got the. Oh, my God. 

08:37 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Matt Jones got yeah. 

08:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I know touchdown. 

08:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Of course there's, there's, there's so much work. 

08:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Imagine you bet the miami hurricanes money line a couple weeks ago. The game is literally over. 

08:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If the coach just calls a kneel, it's done I know, why would they not? 

08:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
that doesn't make any sense so there's worse beats. 

08:57
I get it, but I man, imagine you had colorado money line and then shooter Sanders posted as a merch shop link at the half of 29,. Nothing receiving the second half kickoff and they blow the game and double overtime. How about that? Anyways, I digress. We're going to get into what I believe is a worse beat than that, and I'm not trying to want to. That's a terrible beat, a safety tough. You almost would rather lose on a pick six Like damn. Now I lose by one point. 

09:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would rather lose the game. I would rather the patriots lose 49, nothing. Then lose like that. Then lose like that because I could say you know what, 100 wrong side didn't cap it right, never had a chance to win. 

09:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're never invested in the game you were invested in that one, you had a chance to cover and win especially when you're having a bad week and you you can you can see that figure. 

09:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You still ends in a losing week for me no matter what. But it changes things that it's compounded. So the, the this, the sequence of events made it, made it a little, a little tough, okay, so I'm gonna get into it right now. 

09:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, I might I might rant a little on this one but, it's, it's worth it. 

10:00
Guys wait for the ending. All right, so now, before you you're gonna get, get into this. Oh, why do you even bet on that shit? I'm trying to make money, still trying to win money. Whatever is on the bet, if you can bet it decent limits, I'll bet it all right. 

10:13
Misfits boxing okay, couple fights over the weekend. On Saturday Number one Logan Paul versus Dylan Dennis. Number two KSI versus Tommy Fury Now again versus dylan dennis. Number two ksi versus tommy fury now again. 

10:27
These are celebrity boxing fights but because of the magnitude, books are actually taking big money on these fights. Yep, and you can get down a good amount. You can get down more than you can on any of the non-major sports, okay, so this we're not talking about. Like, oh, it's a hundred dollar limit, two hundred dollar limit. Okay, the, the biggest book that was taking on this would have been like a 10 grand limit pop with a rebet. 

10:46
Okay, overall gonna be what happens is uh, so my, my position was um, basically the way I saw this fight is okay, dylan dennis he's not a boxer, he's not even a good striker in mma. Hilarious lead up to the fight, absolute, incredible promoter. I am actually a fan of both logan paul and dylan dennis in certain ways, but it is what it is. They both, they promote, they hate each other. They go at it. Logan paul actually trains boxing. He, again, wouldn't even hold a candle up to anyone that's not in, like you know, top 100 wbc, anything like that. However, significantly better than dylan dennis, addition, way bigger than Dylan Dennis, it's going to beat him. Okay. In addition to that, it's very hard to get a knockout in boxing If you're not a professional. Extremely difficult. They don't have power in the hands, they're not necessarily like going into putting themselves into risky situations and, in addition, it's a six round fight. So in six rounds there's a low likelihood that one of them will also gas out near like the eighth, nine, tenth standing, eight count call the fight. 

11:52
If anyone was going to knock out anyone, it would have been logan paul. He was actually favored to win via tko ko. My bet was uh, on ranging from plus 250 up to plus 450, depending on what times. Uh, I bet it was uh logan paul by decision. Fight goes to decision and then logan paul to win the fight. Those are my three bets. Okay, individual bets. So I had logan paul to win money line yeah, yeah, fight to go to the, to go to decision. Yeah, plus 170 average price. Yeah, logan paul to win by decision around plus 300 average price. 

12:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay yeah, I, I'm looking confused, I, so I didn't see any of this, other than a one clip on twitter, which was dylan dennis basically putting logan paul in a headlock yeah, trying to, and then the bell rang and there's like a little brouhaha afterwards. Yeah, I, I thought logan paul won by decision, did he not? Okay? 

12:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So here's where we're at. Round one, logan Paul smokes him. Easy round to Logan Paul. Round two smokes him. Round three smokes him. Round four smokes him. Round four Dylan Dennis, he's messing around, he tries to go for a fake takedown, he's entertaining the crowd, or whatever. 

13:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He gets a point deduction. 

13:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So if it was ever a guarantee that Logan already won, he's getting a point deduction as well. It's a guaranteed win on the scorecard. There's no way any judges, even if it was fixed, you couldn't give it to Dylan. That's how bad he was fighting in this fight. Fifth round again Logan Paul easy win. Sixth round Logan Paul easy win. Sixth round Logan Paul, easy win. Okay. Now here's where it gets interesting. 

13:30
Sixth round okay, clock's up to start the fight. Three minutes on the round Seems all fine. And dandy Three minutes going. Point deduction mid-round for Dylan Dennis again All good. Clock's still moving. Okay, set a timer on the phone. I don't know. We can't show the video because the copyright it was a pay-per-view. We're unable to show on the youtube. But I do apologize for that because it would even be a better story. The clock ran an extra 13 seconds of fight time. The fight should have been over. There was a 10 second countdown. Then the clock comes off the screen because they don't put the last minutes on the screen and then it runs another 23 seconds and then after those 23 there's no bell. Where's the bell? Forgot about the bell after the bell. But there's. There's still no bell. 

14:22
Dylan dennis jumps to like, pull, like to basically try to get logan paul in, like what would have been if he ended up succeeding. Like guillotine choke, yep, he doesn't succeed. They get up, still no bell. At this point, insanity. Logan paul's security enters the ring which technically is an automatic disqualification for logan paul. They didn't care about that. And then what happens? It's just the fights. There's pandemonium. Whatever they all settle down, okay, goes to the judge's scorecard. Okay, now the commentators have said and this one, it's a fight is over, it's going to be a decision like obviously logan paul's won this one, but this, this is embarrassing for Dylan Dennis, whatever. Okay, ghost of decision Ready. 

15:05
Sixth round fight. This was after the sixth round, so this happened pretty much after the bell should have already rung for the sixth round, but they didn't ring the bell because they just didn't track the time correctly. Okay, set a stopwatch, go rewatch it. It's three minutes and 13 seconds. Okay, now, not only do they not ring the bell, but now the announcer comes out, michael Buffer. Here's what he says. He says I love Michael Buffer. He says after five rounds of this fight, the judges all had on their scorecard Logan Paul to win every round, which, by the way, is never said If, if, if someone doesn't win by decision, they'll never announce the cards. He says after five rounds. Keep in mind six rounds have happened, not five. He was after five rounds. Every judge had it logan paul going into the sixth round. We have a disqualification of dylan dennis bro I don't know what it is Going into the sixth round. 

16:04
I don't know what they did. I'm pretty sure they thought that the fight had, that that was only five rounds. And then I think they thought that that was only five rounds, that had happened, yeah, and that there was still one more round to fight, right, but it wasn't. There was six rounds that had happened. They already fought six. They had already fought six, it was over. He says after five rounds, everyone had it. Logan Paul Going in. He says exactly this. Going into the sixth round, there was a disqualification. Dylan Dennis has been disqualified. 

16:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The winner is Logan Paul, but not by unanimous decision. It's by DQ instead. 

16:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So you basically lose your and I lose. The fight goes to decision and I lose logan paul by decision, massive swing, and this is why I'm saying it's a worse beat, bro, because oh, it's, it never happened. Like what your thing? 

16:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
the safety, the safety happened yeah, that happened on the field. I witnessed that. What I watched. 

16:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It never happened like they said he won by this. It never happened, bro, that never happened. Okay now, I was absolutely outraged by this. I was so upset I'm like, well, let me let me at least see if something happens. Let me see how they grade this. I don't want to jump to conclusions. Yeah, everything graded. Win by tko ko logan paul, win by tko ko dq. Travesty, absolute, like literally a travesty. Okay, so if that wasn't bad enough, we go into the next fight, the main event okay, ksi, yeah, yeah, okay. 

17:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know how you even no, no, no, it tops it. 

17:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is the worst beat of all time. Ever ever in history. Never had a worst beat ever. There will never be a worse beat than this. 

17:43 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Okay, you had the worst weekend ever. Six. 

17:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And you know what? You know what I won. I actually won money on that Saturday. It was still a fine day. So no, now I gotta go off on this. I gotta go off. 

17:58 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Go off. 

17:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
KSI. In fact, when, after this happened, I messaged Zach and Rob and I said, guys, I actually might need the whole episode he did To rant about this. 

18:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
For how mad I was. I had no idea what the hell he was talking about either. 

18:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, hold up, I'm going to actually pause. Do you guys think that that's a horrible beat? 

18:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Of course, One of the worst beats. Yes, that's not rooted in reality. 

18:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's like something. 

18:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Even if he would have got dq'd like right at the bell, that would have still been such a bad travesty loss like I'm trying to think of, like another beat that I think is worse, and the only thing that I can compare it to is the fail mary, because that was the replacement refs game, where they everyone on the planet knew it was an interception, except for the replacement rep. Like that's the, that's the comparable to me. It's where like this did not even happen. This is not even real. 

18:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm living in a dream world. Nobody even cared, because Logan Paul's like yeah, I won. Whatever, the right guy still won the fight. They didn't really care, didn't matter, dylan Dance doesn't care if you lose by decision or disqualification, he doesn't give a shit. 

19:06
Yeah, so go on to the main event ksi versus tommy fury. All right, you ready for this? Okay, they're fighting round one when, uh, fine, round, you know, you don't know who wins, maybe went to ksi, whatever. Round two tommy fury point deduction for hitting him in the back of the head. Okay, six round fight against. Now he gets a point deduction. I'll explain why it's important. Later they fight out round three, round four, round five, round six. Okay, fights over the one point deduction. It's a six round fight. Yep, okay, so now I've got tommy fury by decision and I've also got tommy fury by unanimous decision. And Tommy Fury by decision. 

19:43
Okay, okay, ksi may have won the fight. In fact, based on me scoring this myself I'm not a boxing judge, I'm not the best boxer or whatever I actually probably would have given it to KSI. Okay, all right, they go to the judges' scorecards. Now, michael Buffer, he's announcing it again. He says first judge has this Fight. Michael Buffer, he's announcing it again. He says first judge has this fight 47-47. Draw, and the second two fights have this 47-46 by the winner by majority decision, tommy Fury. And I say, holy shit, they gave it to him, lucky win. But what the hell was that draw? Because tommy fury actually got a point deduction right. So for him to actually have gotten a draw, that means one judge must have gave three rounds to uh to well, wants to give two rounds to ksi and then gave tommy fury or three rounds to ksi and gave tommy fury a 10-8 round. 

20:44
It doesn't really make sense. No one really dominated. There wasn't even much action in the fight. Tommy fury landed 12 strikes the whole fight. They're hot jabs. It's impossible that he won, by the way. But so so hear me out, hear me out, because that this is where it's going to get interesting. He won by majority decision, though, because one guy gave it a tie. I'm like, wow, a guy gave him a 10-8 round. That's absolutely bananas that he gave him a 10-8 round. But whatever, it's fine. So wasn't a massive bet on the unanimous decision? Forgot about it. Yeah, I'm searching on twitter trying to find the scorecards for the fight. I'm like what? What was like? What was the round scoring of this fight? Because I'm always interested when it's a close, like a close fight like that when you may have you want to see, to see which judge is an idiot. 

21:23
I also just want to see which rounds they gave to which and if it's all over the place, which I assumed it would be. Nothing gets posted Saturday night after the fight. I couldn't find anything on Twitter. I'm like, all right, whatever. So I go to bed Saturday night. I wake up like, hey, I wonder if I can find it now. Maybe someone has it posted. 

21:55
So I so I click it and I find the scorecard posted ksi versus tommy fury, the three person scorecard, okay. So I look and, uh, one judge, he has it. Uh, tommy fury won rounds like three through six. Yeah, it's like, okay, fair enough, so that's how he won. So three through six, with the point deduction 47-46. Second judge has Tommy Fury winning the same four rounds to two, with the point deduction 47-46. Okay, I understand that score. 

22:11
And I'm like, oh, so this guy, where'd he give the 10-8? I go look and he has it on his scorecard Four to two for Tommy Fury, same as the others. And I'm looking, I'm like, and he, he sums up the totals. He added up the total. And he sums it up 47, 47. And I'm like, wait a second, where's the 10-8 round? Yes, I'm looking through his thing. I'm adding this up. Yeah, add it up in my head. I'm like this is 47, 46, same as the others. He gave it. He gave this win to tommy, just doesn't know basic addition. I'm like he just added this math wrong. Yeah, I'm getting on my calculator. Am I fucking this math up? I'm adding this up on my calculator four times. I'm like this guy messed up his math. He actually gave it to tommy fury by. This is a unanimous decision. 

22:56
Scorecard I'm like this is a unanimous decision. He literally did not win by by majority decision. He won by unanimous. This guy just added his score wrong. He put 47 instead of 46. He actually just added it wrong. No one knows about this in the entire world. Bro, I'm searching twitter like incorrect thing, incorrect thing. I can't find any no one tweets about. I'm like guys I may have just discovered this myself. I'm telling like my friends here, they're like bro, that's hilarious. I'm like this is insane. Like he, I can't be the is insane like he. 

23:24 - Zack Phillips (Other)
He. I can't be the only one. 

23:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm like I can't be the only one in the world who discovered this. Okay, about 8 pm at night, they issue a formal announcement that hit the judge, messed up his scorecard and it's overturned from a majority decision to a unanimous. 

23:38
Go look at the sportsbook rules needs that doesn't overturn needs to be on the same day overturning to not, bro? I lost a bet. Find me a worse beat now again. Wasn't a massive bet? It's not gonna make or break my life. Find me a worse beat than that, bro. Right after that, logan paul garbage you can't, you can't, man you. 

24:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You basically lost the things never happened due to sheer incompetence. 

24:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The stuff that they said happened never happened. This is why I'm so upset it never happened bro, this is like a low point for humanity. Nobody's actually crying, bro, he's actually crying. I see him get tears from his eyes. Bro, it never happened no, that, that's there's. 

24:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's that's I. I don't know what to tell you, man. There's there's nothing you can. There's that's. I don't know what to tell you, man. There's nothing you can do. There's nothing I can do, bro. Well, if enough people bet it, you would have got a mass Twitter campaign to go after the sports books to issue refunds, but you're like, you're like on your lonesome betting these events, this guy's fucking crying behind the camera. 

24:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It was actually. No, it's straight up Like after that one like again. I didn't notice till the next morning because I just thought he won by majority decision. 

24:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, but that one man. You would have been better off just dropping it, man, and never knowing that this happened. No, that was actually your search for the truth Caused me, caused me some pain. 

24:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All you can really do in moments like that is just run the shower water really cold and just like so now, now zach knows, because I was trying to petition him to to play the actual I was going to like stream the actual disown on this episode so you guys could actually see and follow and it'd been a much better story. Yes, but I was unfortunately vetoed by uh rob, my co-host and producer zach, for fear that they would take down the podcast for copyright and copyright infringement, which again all all fair, and we don't want to be infringing on any copyrights here. 

25:27
However, what they did to me was much more criminal okay. 

25:33 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So yeah, when I saw you sending the messages too, by the way, when you were like bad b, pat b, like I had to go into decision, I didn't know because I had just walked, the fight ended and I walked out the door so I didn't see, like or hear the explanation or anything that's legitimately. I feel so bad because that's a billion times worse than what I thought. Because when you're saying that, I was like I'm not really that surprised that he got dq'd based on, like, what happened. I could see them being like oh no, this shenanigans dq, which still you would have been right, it would have been bog, but I didn't think it would have been that bad of a beat. 

26:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I feel bad for you. My thought I have no idea what happened. My thought here's what I thought I was walking into here. I saw the Dylan Dennis clip where, you know you're right, he's trying to put like a guillotine choke and whatever. And I thought that you had bet, like Logan Paul, to win by DQ and that was like clearly something that should have been dq'd if the fight was going on right and then they didn't award that. That's what I thought I was walking into. Like you know, dylan dennis, he's a talker, right, I know his game and he could do stupid shit, so it might not be a bad idea to to bet like a win by dq, knowing he might do something stupid in the fight. That's what I thought. This is a million times worse. No, you know, and you just added time to the clock that never existed. 

26:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It was. It's actually insane. I'm going to show you guys the video off air so that we can laugh about this and then hopefully I feel a bit better about this whole situation. 

26:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I'll show you guys the video. Who's at fault for that? Just like the, you know. 

27:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know what the worst part is there's no way the sportsbooks were more exposed on the decision. They would probably have preferred the fight end by decision than Logan Paul via knockout, because that Logan Paul via knockout was a significantly bet. I'm sure that books had more liability on that, so I don't even want to know. But anyways, we got a full Q&A episode to do the KSI, the Tommy Fury, by unanimous decision, if you guys want to go. 

27:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you can say he didn't deserve to win the fight. It's not that bad. 

27:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And it wasn't, listen, it wasn't that massive of bets, I wasn't even that mad, but still that one is actually a worse beat than the Logan Paul one, because that one legit. The guy just added his math wrong and they didn't catch it to the next day, so they couldn't the can't overturn that because the house rules is that it needs to be overturned on the day of it can't be like overturned decisions don't matter for ufc and boxing. I, I did know that. Yeah, I did too. I did. 

27:51
I didn't know that as well, but but but it doesn't make you an overturned decision for, like a guy who was on steroids, he got lost, his drug test, failed his drug test and then they overturned the fight to a no contest, but your guy lost the fight. That's a lot different than this fucking judge. This nyok of a judge added his scorecard wrong and then now I lost my money on that like that's ridiculous man no, it's done. 

28:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I and it's dumb. I hate that rule like there's a lot of sports rules that I hate. A few months ago, people were like going nuts about the miami marlins or whatever with the game that got suspended. It's like just standard sports betting, though. If a game gets suspended, they go back to the previous inning and they grade by that. It doesn't matter that they scored like two runs in the top of the eighth to take the lead. That's gone around forever. But yeah, this is just human incompetence that cost you bets. 

28:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, nothing you could do Tough, all right, we got some other questions here, fortunately could do tough, all right. Um well, we got some other questions here. Fortunately do we. Yeah, we've got a bunch here, all right. So number one I'm gonna go with. Uh, you know what, let's start with this one. Actually, what kind of research and preparation goes into creating each episode? How do you ensure the content is accurate and informative? So we're going to start with questions about the show. We got a few questions specifically for Rob and then a bunch of just value and general questions to get into. 

29:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Questions about the show. This is new. Yeah, normally they're strictly about sports betting. I don't know, it depends on the episode, because obviously doing Q&As is low quality, like low effort content right Q&A mid-August, content q a mid-august, even though we're doing one in october the q and a is what happens. 

29:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You guys sending all the questions on twitter, youtube, whatever, uh, usually, like rob ryle compile them and then I order them, and then I order them in an order that I think will be great to listen to, where it actually flows, and we're not like hitting back same topics here here and here. I read them out to rob. Either he takes the first crack or maybe we shoot each other and I grin. I take the first crack and it goes back to rob. To be honest, that's kind of how it works for those q a episodes every episode's different right. 

29:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So typically for typically we have four to six weeks uh planned in advance. That's usually the case for circles off. We try to schedule it around the sporting calendar as much as possible so we know if, like, a new season is starting, for example, we're gonna be doing like an NBA prepper next week, even though the NBA starting on Tuesday, our Thursday guests give us a little bit information about the NBA. So we have stuff planned in advance of what we wanna do. Guest episodes we typically put together like a rough rundown of what we wanna talk about and we go to the guests specifically and say this is the topics that we want to touch on and we get a little bit of feedback from them in terms of what they think could be interesting if they don't find something interesting. So we work with them beforehand, we don't just like go through a sheet, but they know roughly the topics we're going to talk about and we we take the conversation from there. 

30:44
Other episodes I think they just come up organically, like we did an episode once on how to read an odd screen right, um, or like specific educational topics. Those are usually recommendations from other people that we can turn into a full episode and are not just like a a two minute Q and a answer. The other ones go into Q&A episodes. So I don't know a tough question to answer but like we obviously take it very seriously, there is a lot of planning that goes into these things. And most important thing for me because I do preach being like analytically savvy is we do use the data to inform our decision-making going forwards. So we look at episodes, drop off points in episodes. I'm getting like way deep in the weeds here now, but if somebody wanted to know what goes into it, that's what goes into it. 

31:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, and on that note, just in terms of flowing this question right into the other, as I had just mentioned, what any upcoming projects, guests or episodes that your audience can look forward to. 

31:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, so let me just say that we are going to start. You've noticed we've already started. We did a Berry Horse part two. We are going to start dipping into guests that we've previously had on and, rather than getting their origin story and doing that type of episode, doing a more what are you up to now? Type of situation. 

32:06
And obviously that's like fan service, basically Right, if you really enjoyed an episode with Barry Horse part one, we're idiots not to have him on again If we think that he can still contribute to the conversation. So we do that. So we're doing more and more of that going forwards, bringing guests on that we've had in the past. The rest of the show is honestly, I don't say like, like I said, we plan four to six weeks in advance, but we just take it where we think it needs to go. You, just me, zach, johnny, we sit around, we have a general feel for what works, what doesn't work. We value all the feedback and we use that to structure the show going forward. So I'm not going to preview anything else, but you can look forward to repeat guests coming up in the future. 

32:50 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I'll preview one thing. You've seen us in the studio with like some white walls and a locker behind, and then you see us switch over to this other studio with white walls and a gray wall and some glass. Maybe, if you're someone who watches on youtube, there's uh, some aesthetically pleasing things going on that you could look forward to in the future. That's all that's what I'll say there. 

33:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I like that, zach yep, that's, that's gonna be great. Um, okay, okay, we'll go. We'll go. Actually, this one first. What's one piece of advice that you potentially missed covering in another episode that's actionable to the viewers and listeners of circles off? So I can start with that one. 

33:25
I have a good piece of advice for people viewing. It's more along the lines of you're trying to like, break into the space, ask for help. Things like that was a really big topic, like on twitter this week. I would say the biggest thing that you can do is when you're reaching out to somebody asking a question, um, it shouldn't necessarily be like a give and take. It shouldn't be just a take relationship. It should like a give and take. It shouldn't be just a take relationship. It should be a give and take. So, if you're someone who's just starting up younger kid wants to get info messaging Rob, messaging me, messaging any of the other great people in the space who have been around and know it try to provide as much value as you can to them as well. I'm not saying you have to, and the form of value doesn't necessarily have to be monetary it, but you got to also provide value and like, just show that you're going to help that person as well. It's a really good show of faith. 

34:13
Here's a perfect example. If somebody is reaching out to the Circles Off account, for example, wanting to potentially call me hey, I've got a couple of questions for Johnny, whatever, if this is a nobody I've never heard of before random account we have so many people reaching out to us, we're quite busy. Like it's going to be hard for me to say, yeah, I'm going to take an hour of my time to call this random guy. I have no, nothing, no idea about whatever. However, if I see someone who's like look through his timeline wow, he shared every single episode. He's commenting on all the posts he's. He's commenting questions, he's been around, he's obviously a listener, he's obviously a fan of the show, the show and he's DM something like hey, this is my question, this is what I'd like to do, whatever. Would you be able to help me out? Yes, of course I'll help you out. 

34:56
A crazy example is when I, when I was a lot younger, I once reached out to Rob um and I was asking him a bunch of questions, right, and then I got to the point where I'm like wow, I'm asking this guy so many different questions, but I'm not providing anything of value to him. So what did I? What do I think to do? I'm like, okay, I know this guy's a leaf fan, let me let me get some leaf tickets. I'll invite rob, say hey, rob, listen, I know you've been helping me out a lot. You want to go? You want to go catch a leaf game? Great opportunity, I get to talk to rob about gambling with you, know whatever, and he gets to go to a leaf game for free is that a good thing? 

35:26
for what? 

35:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
game I mean we won that night and I bet the Leafs puck line against the Red Wings and it was. 

35:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That was a long time ago. 

35:33 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I can't believe you remember that that's risky yeah. 

35:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But all. I'm saying is listen, all I'm saying is like, at the end of the day, it doesn't have to be that and it doesn't have to be like $100 tickets, $200 tickets, whatever. It is just like goes into the shell and hides and then like you don't hear from them again, like just be part of the community and then people will help you out too, and then, as always, people are going to help you out. Then also help other people out and pay it forward agreed. 

36:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What do you think is your advice? Uh, I'll get to that in one second. At some point in time, I do want to go back through those old dms. 

36:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
sure, we, we'll do it, but let me actually see what they were first. I think they're all just questions. 

36:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They're probably questions, but I think there was going to be some funny stuff in there. 

36:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
For sure, let's do it one day One day, we'll do it. 

36:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually don't even know what's in there. 

36:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, save it and we'll do it, we'll save it and we'll do it. 

36:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, through past episodes how to read an odd screen I referenced that episode. Um, we went through like how, how to set up your odd screen, how to read it here's a. Here's an actionable piece of advice for a lot of people out there that may not know. If you're already super sharp, you probably have your odd screen set up this way. But let's say you're using like a spank odds or a dawn best. I talked about having the sharp sports books grouped on one side, so your Pinnacle, circa, chris, whatever else you want to throw in there, even Shiba or War if you want to and then having, like your more recreational sports books grouped as well. 

37:02
Another trick of the trade is having PPHs on one side that are good indicators of the market's about to move, so you can set up your odd screen. I never touched on this in the episode, but sharps, recreational books, like your legal outs, and then PPH, ace. Well, you know there's a bunch really that you can go through to, but this is just a general rule of thumb If you want to get tipped off before the entire screen is about to move, generally speaking, the paper heads are going to move first. So if you're someone who's you know sitting in an odd screen you don't know how to set it up you want to be able to get some actionable advice or say like, hey, maybe I need to bet this right away, cause I'm noticing all these PPHs are moving at once. That's something that was never touched on in the episode, but I think would be a value to some people. 

37:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
There you go. Good answer Can you boys run through all the teams you think can win the Super Bowl this year and call it any futures you like at their current price? So normally we don't do this kind of stuff. 

38:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't think'm not going to go through every single team here's what we should do, though we should. 

38:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We should look at the nfl futures, sure, and that'll be fun, yeah. So I guess we'll start with. 

38:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We can start the super bowl real quick, like any teams you feel have value that can win the bowl uh, let me look at super bowl consensus prices right now, just so that we can say so, like san fran, kc, philly, buffalo are favorites in that order, right yeah, and then Miami. This is such a cop-out shit. Answer. 

38:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Do you think Detroit can win the bowl? I'll just ask you some questions. Do you think Detroit can win the Super Bowl? 

38:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes. 

38:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Do you think they can win with that current team? I think they can win. Yes, Fair enough. What about a team, for example, like Cleveland? 

38:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Cleveland can win, but this is like I like cleveland if they sit deshaun watson down for like another three or four weeks and have him get healthy. So this would be predicated on how quickly he comes back to play and what his arm strength looks like. But there's people forget about the variance what about, since he? 

39:08
since he can win, I don't like, since he, I don't I would never bet Cincy At 3,000? Plus 3,000? Even then I would Plus 4,000? Okay, there's going to be a price where I bet, so I would never bet Cincy at current market prices. 

39:22
At current market prices, I would not bet Cincy, let's put it that way Like they can win. There's teams that, like Seattle can win. There's teams that, like Seattle, can win the Super Bowl. I'm not saying they will, there's like an extreme long shot. But when people are like, who can win the Super Bowl, all these teams can, you have to think probabilistically, right, there's going to be a 0.2% chance that a shit team makes a run. Remember when Nick Foles won the Super Bowl for the Eagles? Right, they were underdogs in all those games. They went on a run. They ended up winning. There's variance in football. It can happen. You mentioned Detroit. There's another market I would look at for Detroit. 

39:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, hold up. 

39:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Here's what. 

39:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm going to give you right now. Then I'm going to give you three questions Okay, more likely to win the Super Bowl? Okay, yep, irregardless of the odds. 

40:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yep, jacksonville, los Angeles, um jacksonville, because of the division and playing a home playoff game. Okay, miami, dolphins, dallas, cowboys um, the likelihood dallas is gonna have to go road, road, philly, san fran is pretty high. 

40:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Uh, miami miami, okay, and then lastly, bal, baltimore Ravens, detroit Lions. 

40:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Baltimore, to me, has the best odds on the board of anyone who's going to win the Super Bowl. I think Detroit has a better chance than Baltimore does, but Baltimore is currently priced in like what? 18, 20 to 1 range. I think Baltimore is the best bet to win the Super Bowl at existing market prices. 

40:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, and then I'll give you one more bonus. One Okay, pittsburgh Steelers, houston Texans. 

40:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow, okay, so you're going to ask me to price stuff that I would never, ever consider. 

41:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Who is more likely to win the Super Bowl? 

41:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Pittsburgh is more likely to win because they've gotten out to a decent enough start. They're going to get players back from injury. Friar Mooth, Deontay Johnson, Cam Hayward. Pittsburgh's more likely to win. I've upgraded Houston the third most of any team in the league from season start till now. The other two have been Miami and San Fran, but Houston like way better than people thought quarterback. 

41:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Personally, I think the steelers. I'd rather bet the jets than the steelers. The steelers aren't winning the super bowl, which are way, way, way more price. If you want a super big long shot, I would go jets. If you want something in like regular range for value, I would go. 

41:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would go bills I'm gonna go through the uh the list, the bills. Defensive injuries are a little bit too much for they can. It can happen, god, I, I, I like baltimore's price I really like baltimore's price. 

42:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, we'll get into a couple player player ones on this right now, live on air yeah, season awards okay. Yeah, I know the mvp is the typically the one with the most liquidity, so we'll attack that one. Rob, who's a good bet right now for mvp? 

42:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
jared goff, jerry goff, a 1900 to 2500 so people hear you have to hear me out. Okay, I'm, I'm not a. I'm not a jared goff stan. I think his offensive coordinators put him in a really good position to jared goff or mcafree j. Jared Goff Easily McCaffrey's got an oblique injury that's going to linger forever. 

42:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He also can't win. He's a running back. No, it's not good. Okay, sorry, go ahead on. 

42:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Goff, anyone who's listening to this right now. Pull up the Detroit Lions schedule and you are going to see two games against Chicago, two a game against the Denver Broncos. There's a lot of easy defenses that this team's going to face and Goff puts up numbers. He's not like, he's not a quarterback. You know the risk you run at the end of the year is that the Lions run away with the division. They finished like 13 and four and Dan Campbell gets coach of the year rather than Jared Goff getting MVP. 

43:09 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Or. 

43:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Aiden Hutchinson gets defensive player of the year instead of Goff getting MVP, or Aiden Hutchinson gets defensive player of the year instead of Goff getting MVP, and that's realistic possibilities. But Goff is going to end up with like 4,000 plus yards, a lot of touchdowns. He's at 11 through so far a league leaders 14 I think, which is Tua and the schedule is just so easy for them. It sets up very nicely for him to have like an absurd touchdown to interception ratio for the lines, just to be the story, and it's very much a story award. So you look at the top of the leaderboard right. Two is the favorite now. Okay, injury history. Definitely wouldn't be betting too. I wouldn't be betting two at seven to two. Mahomes. Of course mahomes can win, he's the goat. But mahomes hasn't put up amazing numbers to start the year yet. It's not like people have been. He's the best quarterback, like I'm not debating that, but his numbers average so far. If you're looking at like what voters are gonna vote, josh allen's had like just coming off a stinker. 

44:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He has the stinker game so I actually would bet now if I had to make a bet. There's a place that has plus a thousand on Josh Allen. That would be my bet right now. And the reason I would bet that it's not because you're like I don't believe in the whole, like buy low, sell high, but just like you got to know, there's only a select few players that actually can win this award, win this award. There's there's basically not even 10 players that can win this award and you're getting 10 to 1 on josh allen and he's probably the third most likely to win it at this this is actually, though, to your point, the absolute best time to bet josh allen. 

44:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, I think it would be, it is it? It's? It's like the people who are betting brock purdy to win mvp after they beat the cowboys, you know whatever yeah you don't bet brock purdy to win mvp after that game. That's. That's the wrong time to bet him. 

44:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You either bet him before or you bet him now, after this week's, but he's not going to win mvp no, I don't mean purdy can win it he, he definitely can win it but I mean, like, just the numbers that he's going to put up compared to like what like to uh, alan mahomes will put up. It's like I'm telling you this is I. 

45:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I thought it insane at first, but jared goff I actually don't mind. If you look at goff's pure numbers and what he's likely to be at the end of the year he is going to have, he's going to be in that conversation whether or not he wins. Like I said you, you maybe the wealth is spread elsewhere within the Lions org, I don't know, but he's going to have the numbers. That's going to put him in that conversation. It's whether or not a voter can actually go down to the ballot and literally check off Jared Goff for MVP. 

45:44 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I'm deleting this whole segment. Kanish not getting his hands on this. 

45:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay. So here's actually my best bet, though for the future's bets right now, 120 up to minus 120 cj stroud for rookie of the year, offensive rookie of the year, and here and here's why I like it. Okay, so it didn't apply above 50 chance of winning. Okay, it's basically at this point, gonna need an injury. 

46:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, that's a lucy award yeah, uh, he's. 

46:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's far and away the best qb that's playing right now, given that basically it's like bryce young could technically win it. 

46:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But no, and richardson is going to get shut down for the year, and he already is. 

46:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, so richardson shut down for the year. So now that those two are kind of like almost out of the way, you look at the top of the board, puka nakua, great player. Gonna be insanely hard for a wide receiver to win it over a QB if the QB is actually playing well. Not saying it can't happen, it could definitely happen. But also with Cooper Cup coming back now, he's definitely not going to put up those record-breaking receptions. 

46:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You need Cooper Cup to get hurt, I think. 

46:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Even then, though, Stroud would still win it over Puka's season. I think so puka season, I think he's playing so good it's one interception I know, and and the narrative so like. And then b john robinson while he definitely has the talent, he's still a running back and like his team's gonna be not winning games, no, it's gonna be tough. And then after that you get into literally like what jordan addison? That's what I was about to ask jordan addison's not gonna win it. 

47:07
Jameer gibbs is not gonna win it. Say flowers not gonna win it. The numbers on those guys won't be high enough at the end of the year. The one guy who literally is actually a dark horse he would have actually been a potential bet was Devin A-chain, but now missing the four games. He already missed the first two games of the year. Essentially, the numbers he put up were insane in that three-game span. If he were to continue on any similar pace to that, just the sheer numbers alone would put him in. But now missing six games minimum going to be tough. So yeah, give me CJ Stroud. It'd basically take an injury at this point. 

47:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would be shocked if he doesn't get in. You're betting on whether or not Stroud stays healthy. Basically, I think. 

47:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Now obviously anything could happen, no, no. 

47:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree with you there. It's very likely to go to a quarterback extremely likely. I'd have to look through Houston's schedule a little bit more, but he's been impressive. 

47:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But it's not even about the wins at that point. Even if he just puts up like an average season now I know From this point on out he should still win Agreed. So defensive player of the year no opinion there. I think like it would be again. He just had a sick week but, like Max Crosby, is a good uh potential. They're dark horse, but his odds you. 

48:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You basically need the raiders to play. Make the playoffs. 

48:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's basically going off at like 3 500 last week. Now he's down to plus a thousand. I did actually look at that last week. 

48:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That particular award is a team award. I'll tell you right now, your team has to make the playoffs and you have to do. You have to have a massive the fate. 

48:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is why I don't mind it, though, the favorites for this award right now are tj watt, yep and miles garrett. Yeah, and like, those are not shoe-ins they're, they're not, but I'll tell. 

48:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Here's what I'll tell you if miles garrett finished the season with four less sacks than max crosby, but the browns made the playoffs and the raiders didn't, miles. 

48:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But I'm saying like the browns aren't even guaranteed to make the play. 

48:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They're not they're not by no, and neither are the stealers like I I. I probably still think michael parsons would end up being a really good bet yeah could be. 

49:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It could be a good bet at this point as well. Anyways, that's a a bunch into uh, into next, into this year. I think that's actually a pretty good segment. I I don't mind that at all. 

49:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't do those markets a lot. I listen to you Better. You Bet a lot. 

49:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, those guys love it. 

49:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Ken Barkley loves these markets but I don't do them a lot, I don't look at them a lot, but there's definitely some value to be found there when you look through the numbers. 

49:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So these are just some questions that we have for Rob here, rob, here, rob. What percentage of your personal betting income comes from sharp books such as Sponsor the Show Pinnacle Sports? 

49:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. 

49:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Negative. 

49:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, I'm kidding, I don't know. So I have two types of betting. Right, I have prop betting, which is mostly through regulated Ontario books, smaller bets, whatever, but I don't know where my fills come from. This is the honest to God answer, right, Like if I want to bet X amount on a game, I send it out and I get that much money on a game and I have no insight into where it's going. I have to quote sharp book prices. I can't just pick off, like you know, if there's a recreational book that's off market, I can't say, oh go, get me. You know $25,000 on this spread, that's not going to happen. So I have to use the sharp price, but I don't know how much is directly coming from sharp books. 

50:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, fair enough, tough to know. Okay, this one I don't really know the answer to. Maybe you do, rob. To what extent can sports betting apps view other apps and data you have open on your phone? Are they able to see that I'm looking at pinnacles arb calculator and betting another side of a boost on a different app? All right, good, very, uh, direct question there. 

50:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
my so I have. I have no idea. I I I can rant about these apps for a long time. I think the whole geolocation apps and whatever are a complete violation of privacy. They're honestly a joke. The fact that I use, like, an app like Xpoint Verify to log into some other account that says, oh, you have to close Spotify on your computer or on your phone, like the fact that they can know what else is open, all of that is horseshit. If, if the, if regulators want to do anything about the space, prevent or protect the consumer from people being able to access, this is a massive security risk. So anyways, it's completely not answering matthew's question here, but in general, when it comes to sports betting, assume the worst. That's my, that's my prerogative on things. I would say if you're gonna bet on your phone, use an arb calculator on your desktop or vice versa. That's my two cents on the situation. I'm not saying I don't, I don't necessarily think it's that. 

51:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
By the way, I don't think they're checking what your browser history is. They might be able to see that you have your Safari or your Chrome open. Yes, and they definitely actually can see that, but there's no way, bro. If they can see your browsing history and your app usage, there's no way. They can definitely see what other apps are open. Yes, for those like GeoComply apps, and they can see your location and stuff, but I don't, and they can see your location and stuff. But I doubt they can see your calculator alert. 

52:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree with you. Are they reading your text messages to your wife? Fuck, who knows, man, if they know what I'm listening to on Spotify, they're going to. You know who knows, maybe I'm going to get like the tool sports bonus or something like that, because I've been listening to a lot of tool lately. 

52:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm going to see a show in November lot of tool lately. 

52:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm going to see, because you are a tool, no, that could be it as well. No, I don't know. Listen, I don't take risks. I don't like to take unnecessary risks. Right, like if you're going to bet on your phone I guess this is if you're on the run and you want to use a, an arb calculator, sure, but I don't know. Horrible job of answering this question, matthew. The reality is, I don't know, but I typically just assume the worst and work backwards from there, all right? 

52:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, we're going to get into some value questions here, all right. So we'll start with this one. How do you tell which books are the strongest on a certain sport, such as Pinnacle tends to have the strongest NHL line, so I'd wear their line more as a source of truth. So how do you figure out what books are good for what? 

53:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
sports okay. So there's like a, a rule of thumb, and then there's a real way, the rule of thumb is what highest limit? 

53:21
yes, easy right that that's. That's the easiest way to go about. It is, whoever's taking the largest bet on a specific market is generally going to be attracting the best bettors. So you can, generally speaking, use that as your source of truth. It's not always right. There's some instances where it's not. 

53:45
What you could do is put in the work as well. It takes a lot of work, but you can track prices from everything. You can track prices on every single market, from every single sports book, if you wanted, and then run some sort of error metrics on each of those and you would determine which of those is the sharpest. That's a lot of work. Not everyone's capable of doing that. So you can use a general rule of thumb, which in most cases is going to be right. Or if you really want to know, or you want to create like a balanced true line and like incorporate different sports books, you literally could price every single market at close at a different sports book. Take a log loss or you know rmsc, mae error metric and just figure it out yep, that's definitely the way to do it. 

54:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You'd have to calc a log loss or some sort of error metric and figure it out. But yes, if you want the general rule, I agree with rob, just check for the highest limit. Uh, and also, as always, the books that don't limit the winners would typically be a little bit sharper. So that's why, you know, pinnacle is one of the best in the game. Anyone can play there, no matter what, no matter who you are. 

54:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
As long as you're located in the region above the specific age and as long as you gamble responsibly, you're able to play there well, the beauty is like if you're in ontario, right, you sign up to a pinnacle account, you don't necessarily even have to make a deposit. Well, you do have to deposit do you now all right? 

55:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll give another pro tip. If you use pinnacle and you have no money in the account, it shows you the logged out lines where you don't get the live lines. So you don't. You get about maybe a couple minute delayed lines. Yes, all I was going to say is you can click them deposit some money into your. Yeah, well listen, if you sign up for a pinnacle sportsbook account, you're probably going to bet, like, use it to arb if you really need, it's honestly great for that. 

55:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Even if you're like, oh, this is a sharp book, whatever, use it to arb against here, like, for example, the bonuses, like, um, like we just answered in the last question yeah, all I was going to get at is, if you go to, if you just click a wager, even if you have no money in your account, it will show you in the bet slip what the max bet is on that as well. So you won't get the the live lines, but you can get the max bet okay. 

55:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, that's the. That's a good answer as well. So next up have what do you guys think? Actually, you know what? I've started sports betting top down with pretty high volume using Pinnacle as a sharp book. Curious if you think that's dangerous with NFL early in the week, with some groups potentially manipulating these low limit lines. So again, just flowing questions right into one another seamlessly. 

56:14 - Zack Phillips (Other)
That's the kind of work that goes into the that's. 

56:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's basically what it is. By the way, I didn't actually have that right under and I'm adjusting it now because that that fits so much better, but that's the work that goes into the podcast. 

56:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, I don't listen, I don't do a lot of top down. 

56:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I'll say I'll say one thing it's extremely dangerous if you're not good at it to be like just steam chasing all over the place. In fact, most people who say I uh, steam chasing is you guys are just doing whatever, like you're just picking off the lines. It's so easy. Like go, go try and see if you can win. You're probably going to lose in the first little while. All right, it is what it is. It's not easy. You can get burned a lot. 

56:50
You really have to acquire a skill to basically be like all right, this is moving here, this is moving here, this is how this works, is how this works. Okay, this actually kept moving here and I thought that was a play. Like every time it does this, I get dunked on the other way. So like that's obviously not something I gotta do, I gotta do something else. So just like, basically, yes, I would say, based on what your question is, if you want the most actionable advice for you I'm not sure exactly who asked this question, but the guy who just started betting with Penny's moving against you and then look at those tells and be like all right, actually, this early move when the limit was low was just a fake so that people can get down more. You got to just track it and then see how you're doing and if you're getting good results, keep going. If you're not getting good results, probably got to switch something up. That's the most actionable advice I can give. 

57:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Generally speaking, would it not be more suitable, if you're going to take that approach, to bet closer to game time? You'll probably find less edges right, but the chances that the line has formed solidly as the week goes on is much better. 

58:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The thing is though also, as the week goes on, the discrepancies between books become tighter. Yeah, so if you're betting early in the week, it's very often you're going to be able to catch a certain potential books with half points off all over the place. Same with the totals. If you're betting sunday, it's not going to be as likely. But again my advice stands like yes, be careful on that. Uh, next up this one. I don't really understand the question that much. 

58:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got one that was not. 

58:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I didn't understand either, so this might be it can you explain the value of obtaining equity in futures markets and then how to use it? Example you bet a future with a 50 to 1 odds. Then the price drops to 10 to 1. How and what are the best ways to use that, especially if it's clear the bet won't win, only aged well. So this is why I don't really understand this question is if you bet something at 50 to 1 and it's now 10 to 1, you have a good bet I don't know how, I don't know how you can say that bet won't win, only age well. 

59:04
If it aged well, then technically you have a good bet I'm, I'm with I mean, this does come from Clueless Better. 

59:13
Clueless. Better there you go. So that checks out, that checks out that handle. What I'd say is, I mean, I guess, asking if you're trying to R-boat of a future. There's no two-way markets on these. So if you bet, let's say I don't know Josh Allen to win the MVP at 10 to 1, and then he's down to 4 to 1. The only way you can hedge out of that is if a book had Josh Allen no, which is not going to happen, so you basically have to bet a lot of other options. 

59:39
So what I'm looking at here, then, is, like, for this one, I think what you're probably going to want to do is, if you are trying to hedge, you're going to have to bet every other option that can win, but you're never even like a hundred percent hedging in the market, because something else could still happen to like someone else going. You can't bet every other option. So that's why I don't really understand the question. If you want to provide more context, we can reply on Twitter as well, but probably, if your position you bet at 50, it's now at 10 like, just hold that and ride it out and you probably have a good bet and are going to win long term on those, not arbing those out. But again, if you want to provide more context, clue is better. 

01:00:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Appreciate the question and the support on the show I, yeah, I it's not my air like it's not my domain. Really, typically, if I bet a future, I maybe I'm in a different financial spot or whatever, but I just let it ride like. If it bet a future, maybe I'm in a different financial spot or whatever, but I just let it ride Like if it's a good bet. Sometimes you'll find another future of value. I mean, I don't want to say it, but there's cash out features at books as well. Technically, like, if you don't want to go through the process of betting everything else, you take a horrible cash out price. If this is your position on like just wanting to obtain like win. But yeah, I mean, if you bet a 50 to 1, it moves to 10 to 1. 

01:00:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You can't really say that, proclaim that there's no chance of that betting will reply to this episode after you listen to this and explain what you mean when you say that it especially the ones that won't win. 

01:01:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, and then we can potentially give a better answer next yeah, think, think probabilistically right, it's an underdog to win for sure. It's only going to win 10 of the time, but it's going to win one out of 10 times so, or one at 11, whatever. 

01:01:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah all right, uh up. Next from a former guest of the show, josh goody, oh goody. Most sportsbooks are now offering a 30 same game parlay profit boost when you select at least three legs. Good bonus. What is the most easy way to use that promo? 

01:01:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So my answer now is very different from what it would have been a couple weeks ago, before we had Shipper on. I would have gave a mathematical answer of how to maximize that. I don't actually think it's in your best interest to maximize that anymore. I actually think it's your best interest to make a stupid bet on that promo. If you think in the long run you're going to be a winning better and your goal is to maximize that account, I probably would make a really dumb bet on that pro ball. 

01:02:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, that's a good answer. That is a very that is a sharp answer that may be like you might be a galaxy. 

01:02:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Braining that though I, I very much could be, but, like as a better, what we have to do is process information right, and for me, for a long time I've been ignorant to everything outside of just the basic math. This is one of the biggest mistakes. The art of betting, the art of betting. This has never been good. I'm a horrible, better, I don't execute bets well I never have to be clear. 

01:02:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Rob is saying that the most ev bet is to mathematically dunk that money because that will, in the long run, make you more money, responsibly well no dunk, dunk that dunk it responsibly is what, what? You. There's no responsible dunks um this. There's no responsible dunks here. I'm gonna say, I'll say it how it is man, a lot of people, yes, obviously don't gamble more than you, than you can. But I mean, this is uh, probably a 50 promo, 100 promo. 

01:03:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We're not talking massive amounts here and that's why I'm saying like, if you're going to maximize the ev on that, which is going to be like what getting like another 20 bucks in EV maybe, or something like that there's probably not a point in doing that. If it's going to affect the longevity of your account, fair enough. 

01:03:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you're betting small enough meaning like under a hundred dollar unit size, I would say you should maximize the EV on that. Mathematically, how I would do that is um, you know, same game parlaysays. Basically what they are is it's taking a bunch of different things within the game and a lot of them will be correlated outcomes. So they give you they price in the correlation and then they reduce a bunch of you know hold off the top. So you're getting pretty shitty odds on the correlation. So if you want a mathematical thing of how to beat it, what you have to do is like basically, you have to price out your own correlation. So you'd say, all right, when josh allen throws for 300 yards, digs is likely to get 100 plus this percentage of the time, meaning if and alan's likely to throw for 300, this percentage of the time, meaning it's going to be here here, here. I think this should be priced at this, it's priced at that. That's like the theoretical way to do it. You have to just price correlation better than them. A lot of these books pricing in these same game parlays is actually not very strong. However, the hold percentage is just so high that is hard to beat because they're literally taking they're giving such bad value on the odds. But what I would do um, to be honest, if you want just like a quick and easy way to do it is there's multiple books that offer same game parlay. Pick one that you think is a good bet at random Like I think this would probably be cool and enter that same one on like four different sites that have same game parlays and then see if you can find one that has like the best pricing on the site where you're given the profit boost. That would basically what that would do is just ensure you that those odds that you're getting are like at a minimum best in market. Again, that would do is just ensure you that those odds that you're getting are like at a minimum best in market. Yeah, um, again, this is like the easy way to do it without having to model out correlation and stuff like that. So try to pick ones that will give you the best odds in market and then, once you've done that, you add on this 30 same game parlay profit boost and you're likely going to be plus ev, because the the hold on the same game parlays is under 30 anyways. So therefore, if you just want something that's like a quick and easy way to do it. That's what I would do, but rob's answer is uh, that's, he's playing. He's playing chess up. 

01:05:16
Next, how can you tell if a market is uh more susceptible to getting manipulated? For example, I heard that college football can be manipulated even after, even at market maker books because the limits are relatively low and pro groups move them to the market maker books because the limits are relatively low and pro groups move them to the market maker books so that they can bet a large volume at PPH and just copy the market maker books. So is that a thing I would say? I can answer that first. It's definitely a thing. It's definitely a thing. It's not as prevalent as you guys might think. So it's not like that's happening with every single game and in general it's happening more on the like FCS games and the actual lower limit games. You wouldn't necessarily see this happen on like an LSU versus Bama style game as much as you would on like a small FCS game game, fcs game, sorry. So that's that's my only answer to this question, rob. What do you think? 

01:06:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yep, um I think this is just something you learn through experience. Typically, if you're going to watch, like the nfl market or ncaa football market, you you pull up an odd screen early in the week, you take, take note of early market moves and see how often those get bet the other way it happens. It's really hard to sniff out. It takes experience. The best traders can do that because they just you kind of get like a spidey sense. You know, so to speak, whenever you see something happen and you realize like this is a fake or this is not, but it certainly happens. Years ago, um, I won't mention the name, but someone reached out to me asking me if they could use my five dimes account from back in the day. Like, sure, go ahead, what do you need it for? And they're like well, 50 bet is going to move the entire nascar head-to-head markets at all the pphs. So it certainly happens, and this was only a couple years ago. 

01:07:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If there's books that others are known to copy, then you can bet there's going to be some sort of manipulation at lower limits always yeah, this was a tweet from a friend of ours, but five dimes actually was instrumental in the originating of a lot of these lower level markets and, uh, since that kind of site, you know, disappeared, it's been a lot difficult, a lot more difficult for these smaller markets to come up as fast. So five dimes, man, a trailblazer of the industry, sure was, um rob. What do you think about touts giving out liens or opinions where, like you know, this guy says in my mind it's incredibly irresponsible, since their clients will go bet them with real money while the seller isn't even willing to put their money or the play in their record it's a good question. 

01:07:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It depends on whether the seller is willing to put the play on the record or not. 

01:07:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So if the seller puts a lean out there and then doesn't include in the record win or lose? I feel like to be honest to the answer this question. I actually prefer they do this. I agree. 

01:08:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, because we do this on forward progress. Wednesday best bets every single week me, suma, hitman, eager, you have to like. It should be encouraged. You're not, you're not. You have to be authentic with your audience. If you like one side of the game but you don't like them enough to bet them, it's a lean. But what you got to do and what we strive to bet them, it's a lean. But what you got to do and what we strive to do Hitman actually does a really good job of this every single week is he gives out the price that he would play it at. He'd be like. You know I lean to the Lions but I need a minus three, minus 115 in order to bet that. That's my target price. That's what more people should do, because then it becomes like actionable for people. But at the end of the day you can't just sit there and be like I have no opinion on the game when you do. 

01:08:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You, you like one side, you just don't like them enough to bet it to bet them. 

01:08:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So if you had to pick, you'd pick that side. Of course. Now there is. There is a general problem, but at the end of the day, the onus does at some point have to fall on the actual better and not the content creator. The content creator is not clicking the bet button At some point or another. The tout, whoever it is, they can say I lean this way. It's not good enough to bet. Someone goes and then bets that because Suma liked it or Hitman liked it, or whoever released that, or you know whichever tout said it. The onus has to fall on the better at some point. You're responsible for your own money one way or another. It's the issue that I have, and we used to laugh at this, like when we first started BetStamp years ago, right, and we were tracking victory lap. 

01:09:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
When you victory lap a lean. 

01:09:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That is ignorant and, frankly, like I have zero respect. You cannot be vic lapping a lean you and it's embarrassing to say, oh yeah, I lean that. I hope you guys bet. I hope you guys listen to me with what the lean that you didn't bet yourself and you're hoping everyone else went out and bet that like that is embarrassing. 

01:10:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, absolutely. Uh. All right, so that was that. Was it for the questions we actually had. We had a few more questions came that came in. Uh, in regards to, like betting partnerships, different accounts, you can get kind of like, um, you know, asking about different crossing between professional groups and sharp groups. I just want to let everyone know, asked a question on that. We've compiled those questions. We're actually saving those for a really big banger future episode where we're going to actually go. We're actually going to go into more detail on all that stuff. So if your question didn't get answered this week in regards to one of those topics, chill out, we will answer it on a future episode. Before we close off the show, we do have the staple positive and negative EV plays of the week. I've already done enough rants on this episode, so I'll try to keep these light. I think I have a couple good ones here. 

01:10:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm going to say something. Go ahead. Someone wants to know the preparation that goes into this show First, question Getting your positive and negative EVs. 

01:11:08
I did, I did not prepare you could skip yours for this week. That's it's. I really wanted to film something. I've. I teased this before that there's going to be a video accompaniment for something. We didn't get around to filming what I needed to film to accompany this at some point we will, but I got nothing like okay, we'll skip you for this week, don't worry, everyone gets a week off. Yeah, I was gonna just trigger you and say minus ev is betting on like celebrity influencer boxing that's. 

01:11:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's actually not. 

01:11:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is positive I was gonna say it's not even minus, it's just negative healthy v to get deal with these stupid ass losses. 

01:11:42 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Um all right, phil, you got anything uh, yeah, um negative ev to go to an arena or for like a sporting event and not eat prior to going and then have to get the stadium food. 

01:11:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah what about box seating xbox seating box. Seating's fine. Yeah, eat the food there. Oh, if you're going in a box with all, you can eat you gotta. 

01:12:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You gotta not eat before then, otherwise, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 

01:12:05 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So you're saying in seats at the stadium? Yeah, no doubt good move yeah because, uh, um, this past saturday I went to the leafs game and was just like busy leading up to it and hung over and then just hadn't eaten. I got there and I was like, oh no, I need to eat. Bad that's. 

01:12:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is bad there's an 11 pepperoni slice man I'll go as far. 

01:12:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll double down on zacks over here. Was that that a minus EV or a plus EV? You just spun? 

01:12:30 - Zack Phillips (Other)
it one way. 

01:12:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Minus EV, minus EV. So I'll continue with the minus EV. The minus EV is if you're at a sporting event and you go up to buy a drink and not buying two at the same time. Like, do not go to a sporting event and go wait in the line to only get one drink, like a complete, like no one is only drinking one drink at a sporting event. You are 100% going back. So you might as well just get two in the first shot. 

01:12:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, yeah, I've done that multiple times. That's. That's a good move, especially getting it for a buddy, but I will say they've been limiting people. There's restrictions. They limit more than the recreational sports. 

01:13:05 - Zack Phillips (Other)
They've been limiting people. 

01:13:07
Um, have a positive EV and it's kind of funny that you had brought this up, but it's getting a box to a sporting event this Saturday. One of our buddies he plays in the AHL. They're coming to town to play against the Marlies Saturday night. So we got a box for 24 people. We're getting all of our buddies to come out and go into the game and it costs just as much per person to go to the game as it would be to go and just sit in the seats. And now we're all going to be in a box together and then we're going to go out saturday night that's value. 

01:13:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It costs us that's value because they're going to fleece you on the food well, it talked it cost the same amount for for probably for the marty, so the leafs. 

01:13:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It would be more expensive, correct, versus like a. There's going to be a spending minimum on the food. 

01:13:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And well, not that it's a problem. 

01:13:46 - Zack Phillips (Other)
You're gonna eat and whatever but it's also like we're gonna get being all together is the value 100. 

01:13:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree with that all right. 

01:13:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I got a negative ev move. This one uh, I noticed a few, a few times actually over the past week pissed me right off. Every time, all right. Negative ev move is if you squeeze into an elevator when it's already basically full and you're the last guy oh yeah, is there room for one more? You squeeze in, buddy, get the next elevator. What are you doing? It's already crowded enough in here. And if you're just for what save an extra 30 seconds, bro, what? And heaven forbid, that elevator gets stuck. Now you're in there, stuck elevator 11 people in the elevator. Dude, stay out, get the next elevator. It it's going to be okay, you're going to get up there. If it's crowded, just stay out. That's absolute biggest negative. 

01:14:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
EV move. This is just like common courtesy. It's human decency that if the elevator door opens and it's already jammed, you just wait, you move on, and if you have a stroller or a dog. 

01:14:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh my God, fuck out of here. Serious, no, you got to believe that I don't even want that. I don't. But maybe not, maybe not, no, no, no, what do you? 

01:14:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
have. Listen, everybody's got, we're all. We're all in this together. We're all in this together. I mean that one's triggering. You got to make other people comfortable. You just don't do that type of stuff. Don't squeeze it. I'm with you on this one, because elevator experiences for a lot of people are not good in the first place. And when you are jammed in there and you're shoulder to shoulder no bueno, okay, and then I got a positive EV move here. 

01:15:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Now it really is going to depend on the type of plane you're in. I cannot stress this enough when flying in a plane, you're going to want to board as close to last as possible. Yes, it's people lining up to board first zones this drives me insane Just so they can get a carry-on spot above their head for their thing. If the plane is a massive plane, there's carry-on room for everyone, so chill, if you can get it. If you're on a small plane, you kind of gotta hurry in, because then you might have to check your carry-on. 

01:15:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Honestly, that I think that's actually a pro move. What it depends on the type of plane too, but if it's one of those where you just check it and then they just bring it out to you, oh, if it's a check and bring it out on the plane, you do that easy every. Every time it's coming on baggage carousel, though, and you have to risk losing the luggage. 

01:16:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I would say you don't, you don't want that you want to store it up top. Yeah however, if you know, or if you've already checked bags and you're not checking, by the way, who checks a bag and brings the carry-on, like I know, I know, but like, just check the carry-on too well, what? Like what are the odds? 

01:16:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
they lose both those you should put something in, like your backpack that you bring? What are you gonna bring? Just Just one change of clothes or something? You're just going to buy new clothes anyways, a pair of mutandis or something. 

01:16:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you lose your big luggage. You're buying clothes anyways. Also, who's traveling carry-on and luggage? Actually, now that we mention it, I haven't done that. Ever in my life. I don't do that. I don't think I've ever done that. 

01:16:43 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So we're actually that's I was gonna say with. Rob's point is like uh, my family ever used to go away to, like dominican or something like that, throw a bathing suit and a t-shirt in the backpack, because then if you get there and anything happens, at bare minimum I don't have to wear, like the sweatpants that I wore on the plane. Right, then you have something to go and fair, fair, fair. 

01:17:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's, that's, no, that's there's actually nothing that bothers me more than air travel like it's. It's the whole system. I'm gonna get that private jet. I've been saying this the whole system is broken. Dude, all you have to do, if you're like the flight attendant or whatever, is just make an announcement and tell people to stay seated until their zone gets called. It's not. Why is this such a fucking zoo? As soon as they start calling, it just becomes a disaster. Then you're talking to people in front of you like hey, what zone are you in? What do you? What do you do? It's like I've never done that. 

01:17:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's a disaster, but I almost want to board. Like last, I want to board I love boarding late I want to board so late that they have to call my name over the intercom and say is this guy still here? And then I go to the front and then board and they're like like, oh, we almost left without you. That's how late I want to board this plane so I get the least amount of time sitting on my seat in the plane. 

01:17:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So a lot of the short haul flights to like Boston, new York, montreal, whatever are usually smaller planes, right. So if I get that announcement, it's a small plane, we can't fit all the carry-ons whatever. I go to the desk right away and I'm like, is the carry-on coming out on the carousel or am I giving the carry-on when I? If I'm giving the carry-on when I go down, I take the. I pull that move every time. I wait till the absolute last minute to board that plane. Easy, absolute last minute I board the plane, I give a high five to whit merrifield on the way by. That actually did happen on the last plane I was on. He had no fucking clue what was going on. I'm like like, hey, win, give him a high five as I walked by and then the season went down the drain for him right after that. 

01:18:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But I think that is just an overall positive EV move is to just board the plane last, not stress over that Like I don't see how you would ever want to spend extra time on the plane whilst the plane is not moving. I'm with you, man, just doesn't make much sense to me. So there you go, board late and if their elevator comes and it's already full, don't get in. Wait for the next one. Gonna be all right, you're gonna get there on time. Yeah and same with the plane. Why are you boarding so fast? It's gonna be all right, you're gonna get on the plane they don't mean is, just don't be in rush. 

01:19:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We could just do a whole episode on air travel. There's a lot of things that bother me. It's going to be okay. 

01:19:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, no, we got to get the private man. Private jet is I've never. 

01:19:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Dude, when you land and like that, everyone's waiting for that seatbelt sign to go off the to get out ahead. It's like there's there's a way this works. There's a system. It's been the same system forever. You're at the back of the plane. You gotta fucking wait to get off the plane. At the end it's gonna take everyone two minutes to get off. Just relax. That's a disaster. The people who wear shorts on the plane that are sitting next to you it's like I don't want to see those shorts riding up for the entirety of the place like put on some pants, it's the plane's cold anyways, for the most part. Another pro tip you got to wear a zip up on. Bring a zip up with you these people who are in their seats trying to take the sweater off over their head. They're elbowing. Elbowing you like. This is our. This is barbaric, barbaric behavior. 

01:20:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Do not allow this to happen to you wear a zip up on a plane yeah, that's fair enough. And when, when, though, at the end of the planes, by the way, like, let's say, you're in like the aisle seat and there's people middle window beside you and there's still like crowds of people taking on the thing. They're like oh, we're almost up next. Like, buddy, I know we're almost up next, I'm gonna get up. When I can get up and walk away. I'm not gonna stand up, crouch my head under the thing so that you probably stand up like zach's doing it now. I'm going to stand, I'll get up, I'll get up. And you know what else is even hilarious? Like, even if I wait for that guy to go to that, like to, literally, if I'm holding up the whole thing while this guy grabs his thing, walks away, I'm still going to catch him walking in the plane. I'm not holding up anything. Chill out everybody, we're going to get there. 

01:20:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Another anything. Chill out everybody, we're gonna get there another. I didn't prepare another. Good, I'm glad there's another. Minus ev move. Okay, if you are gonna watch a movie on a plane and you're with strangers, volume up all the way, well, no, if you're picking on the thing you gotta search beforehand to see if there's any hardcore nudity in the movie. 

01:21:02
Why? Because if you're there and you're sitting in a seat and you're the guy that's watching something that basically looks like hardcore porn, you're going to get a lot of looks and it's going to be real uncomfortable. 

01:21:12
I've learned this the hard way before, so you got to know they shouldn't allow this. By the way, like listen, I'm not a prude or anything like that. I get it, this is the times, or whatever, but they should at least give you a warning when the movie starts Like this movie contains nudity or something like that, so you're not just watching and all of a sudden there's like some sex scene happening. Person next to you is like looking over at you, like you got some kids behind you. Like give people a warning on this stuff. I don't understand air travel. This stuff could be fixed so easily. So my friend, joe, works at the Pearson airport. I give him a shit about this all the time. 

01:21:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What an absolute disaster. The only way is. We got to get the private. All right, everyone, please subscribe so we can get the private jet. We got to pay Zach too. We got to pay Zach, but also please like and subscribe. Share this episode with your friends. If you got any value out whole time, be like, check this out and listen to the end of the episode. Make him waste an hour and a half and just be like send it to a guy you don't even like. Anyways, if you hated this episode, send it to that guy. 

01:22:14
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