00:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This guy talks a lot of trash. He's talked a lot of trash about me, rob, a lot of people in the community, but he's refusing to show his face. Classic keyboard warrior not coming on, and you know what, buddy, that says all we need to know about you. Come on, let's go. 

00:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Welcome to Circles Off, episode number 137, right here. Part of the Hammer Betting Network and presented by Pinnacle Sportsbook, I'm Rob Pizzola, joined by Johnny from Betstamp sportsbook. 

00:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm ralph azola, joined by johnny from betstamp, episode 137 37. There's one player that's haunted many leaf fans for years in the playoffs, oh, but we love to have them on your team. Just hate to play against them. 

00:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know what I want to say. There's rivalries in sports, right? At least fans hate, hate the boston bruins because they eliminated for hate marsh on hate bergeron. 

00:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know how nice it was to root for those guys for team canada, but yeah, on your side. 

00:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I honestly don't hate bergeron like I hate brad marsha. Bergeron such, he's such a nice guy. That's what I'm saying. Like bergeron to me I don't. He never really did anything that pissed me off. It's really weird over the course of someone's career, when they're a rival of your team, that you can appreciate them as a player. He was like amazing player, but I did love to root for him. 

01:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Who else we have for 37? 

01:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I always remember Rodney Harrison wore 37 because when he was getting dusted on that jump ball by David Tyree, yeah. 

01:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Ronnie Harrison, steven Strasburg Strasburg. 

01:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Connor Hellebuck. Nowadays Is he the best goalie in the league. Yeah, right now he's on fire. Hell, he's solid Cat's out of the bag here, but I've probably bet like 30 Winnipeg Jets unders this year. And I've been killing it on the Winnipeg Jets unders. 

01:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Jets alt unders moving forward. 

01:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My only saving grace is a better. Right now is Winnipeg Jets unders. Actually, that's not true. I've actually been having very good few months, but this fucking team right here, Dallas Cowboys. 

02:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No good, no good. They rocked my week man, they rocked. When did you say this game's over? I told my wife. 

02:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
When was it I told my wife to go upstairs after the Packers scored the first touchdown 7-0. I'm like you're not going to want to see me like this. 

02:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, but when did you actually concede that they weren't winning the game? 

02:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It took a while to get into that they weren't winning the game. 

02:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It took a while to get into that, like at the half, did you still think they were coming back from 10? They were down 10. 

02:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was considering Green Bay live prices at the half because I did not think Dallas was going to come back. 

02:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But when did you give up? 

02:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's hard to pick the exact moment. I watched Green Bay get the ball go the entirety of the field. I turned to Diana. I said this is very bad. She's like why? It's only just? I'm like Dallas doesn't play from behind and when they do, they tend to force it Like game plan out the window. She's like oh, you know, you're always like this. I'm like we're done, we're toast. I'm like go upstairs, you don't want to see me like this. Before I knew it was like 21, nothing. I don't even like I'm so. Fandom can be plus EV or minus EV, depending on the time of year or the time of your life, and I often wonder what my life would be like if I just didn't root for any teams. Think about this a lot. My teams right now, the, the Leafs. These guys have no hope, but they're good enough in the regular season every year. Yeah, they're the same team. They really are the same team. I cheer for the same team across different sports. But it's painful, man, it's depressing. 

03:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I think they were actually up 20 at the half. I may have mistaken. 

03:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was 27-7. Yeah, so they actually up 20 at the half. I may have mistaken. It was 27-7. 

03:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, so they were up 20 at the half and you were looking for Green Bay Live Spread, I assume. 

03:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Everyone was talking about this. I said this in the New Year's resolution that I'm not going to proclaim a game is over until it's over publicly. 

04:05
But I can tell you, in my head I thought that game was over. So you're laughing right now. But I was looking for Green Bay money lines live. Then I saw them and I'm like, ah, a little I don't remember the exact numbers a little bit outside my range. This is a true story, cause everyone was like, oh, it's games not done yet. Everyone my friends, whatever Dallas offense. I'm like, oh, this game's not done yet. Everyone my friends, whatever dallas offense. 

04:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm like, no, no, they're chasing the lead they're, they're toast a couple of a couple of buddies in group chats. We're all rushing at the half scene like all-time chance to live. Bet dallas and I was looking at him like I don't know, I don't know if they have this one. 

04:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
20, 20 is a lot sent them my way and I would have let them know. I appeared in a lot, lot of Reddit threads this week. You did, because I had like a meltdown live on Twitter while the Cowboys were playing and I made my way to the top of many Reddit threads. 

04:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
People were sending me those all week, so at the half what I actually did was I was like okay, I wonder where I can find the best and accurate price for this game. So right at the half I went on my computer, typed it in pinnacle sports. That was the. That was the toss. To rob. I there wasn't my best, but that was the toss to rob. 

05:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I thought, well, you looked really, you shrugging your shoulders, you're looking, I didn't know how else to toss it. 

05:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've been, I've been on a heater. I have like seven incredible tosses in a row. 

05:23 - Zack Phillips (Other)
You know what. I knew exactly what was happening. Was I not on a heater prior to this. 

05:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Guys. 

05:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I want to make it very clear. I knew what was happening, but I thought there was more coming. I thought like you're, like you're, like you were, you know like going to say something else. 

05:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, cats out of the bag. I made it up. Guess what I was not doing at the half. 

05:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Rushing doing at the half, rushing to bet Green Bay. But you know what, If you were rushing to make a bet at the half, you would definitely go to Pinnacle Sportsbook because they're the world's sharpest sportsbook and they pride themselves on everyday competitive odds, especially in the live betting markets. You go to some sites. They're juicing you to shit Crazy hold percentages. Pinnacle prides themselves on keeping those hold percentages. Pinnacle prides themselves on keeping those hold percentages down, making the prices fair for everyone. So if you're in Canada, make sure you check out Pinnacle Sportsbook. Bet smart bet Pinnacle. They've been in market now for 25 years 25 years. Can you believe that? I can. 

06:21
It's more than Zach's been alive, wow 25 years. It's the yeah same amount, oh my god I was. I didn't even actually know that you must be 19 plus not available in the us. 

06:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
As always, please play responsibly if you were literally born when pinnacle started, you're eligible to play on pinnacle. It's true that is how long they've been around. 

06:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And if you are going to play, please use code HAMMER when signing up. 

06:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
H-A-M-M-E-R for those who can't tell Alright, we have an interesting guest for today. With that we're going to start the show. 

06:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Our guest this week on Circles Off is an integral member of Gambling Twitter. You can follow him at CostanzaBets2. He's a semi-professional bettor who goes by the alias Gambling Frank. Costanza Frank. Welcome to Circles Off, How's it? 

07:10 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
going. It's going good, good to be here. How are you guys doing? 

07:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm doing okay. I got a little bit of a bone to pick with you from some past tweets which we'll get to at some point over the course of the show. 

07:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But let's start. There's a lot of them. Believe me, I have some bookmark. Off the rip. I got something to address. So this guy talks a lot of trash. He's talked a lot of trash about me, rob, a lot of people in the community, but he's refusing to show his face. Classic keyboard warrior not coming on, and you know what, buddy? That says all we need to know about you. But welcome to the show. Obviously, all in good love, I think, if anyone wants to face-to-face Zoom, hit me up. 

07:55 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I'm not afraid of anybody. I'll face-to-face. Let's do it sometime. 

08:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Let's do it right now. 

08:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Different, with an audience, for sure I get. It All right, let's start with the brief background on you, Frank. How did you get involved in the sports betting space? Let's just start there and then we'll follow up on that. 

08:17 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah, so I think I got into sports betting, maybe a little bit different than a lot of the people who were seriously doing it. I think they maybe get interested at a younger age, even if they don't yet know what they're doing. But I was actually very like anti-gambling when I was growing up. I think, um, this is funny, I one of the. I was really into like mythology and different folk tales when I was a kid. 

08:40
Um, there's this one indian story where there's a king whose cousin is super jealous of him because he wants to be the king himself, and the cousin tricks the king into playing a dice game because he's the OG sharp advantage player, he can do dice control and some shit like that and he basically tricks the king into martingale chasing all his losses until he loses the whole kingdom. Um, and that just stuck with me for whatever reasons. I just just kind of like all right, always be careful with money, don't get into gambling. Um, so yeah, but but I was very interested in sports analytics, um, and I think there was, you know, you guys know the old, uh, grantland site with the bill simmons. Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar, yeah, that's like through, I think, a lot of the writers, and I think there was. You know, you guys know the old uh Grantland site with uh Bill Simmons. 

09:25
Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar, I think a lot of the writers I think mainly Zach Lowe was on there. He kind of I think he kind of reading him and listening to his podcast it kind of taught me like, okay, these stats matter, like this is what you should look for in a game If you really want to learn what's happening and not just get caught up in mainstream media narratives. So, yeah, that got my interest in sports and analytics. The betting side came in from listening to Haralabob. He used to also come on some Simmons pods and that was the first time I maybe considered that you can actually make a little bit of money betting on sports. I think so. 

10:05
Right after I had listened to him for the first time, like a few days later, I was listening to first take and Skip Bayless was talking about how LeBron couldn't win without Dwayne Wade. I think you guys are Raptors fans. You might remember this. There was a series back, I think, 2016 conference finals. The Cavs had just lost two in a row to are Raptors fans, you might remember this. There was a series back in 2016 conference finals. The Cavs had just lost two in a row to the Raptors. They had lost like they had blown fourth quarter leads in both of them and Skip Bayless is going like, oh, ron's a choker, he's going to lose this series for sure. 

10:38
And I was like, well, you know, this guy is on the biggest sports show. Maybe sports books like set the odds based on his opinions. And if they're actually pricing the calves as underdogs, like I'm going to go bet Like what I thought was an insane amount of money at a time, maybe only a few hundred bucks. But I was all right, this is going to be my, my big start. I'm going to I'm going to get rich from betting sports. But then I logged on to like bovada or something, and the calves weren't underdogs, they were like minus 700 favorites. So I was like, well it's, I guess I was right. You know, sports betting is not gonna make any money, like house always wins. 

11:14
So I I kind of gave up on that for a few years, um, and then the next time I really got into it was actually during the initial covid lockdown. Um, that happened when I was in college, so I had to come home, wasn't doing much. Everyone was kind of talking like, oh, you should come out of the pandemic with like new skills, new hobbies, something like that. So I just decided, ok, I'm going to make sports betting like the new skill that I develop or try to develop, that I develop or try to develop, and I think I got lucky, like at that time a lot of people like Captain Jack was, he had just started trying to make like some YouTube videos teaching people the basics. That was definitely helpful. It got me started without as much pain and early losing as I otherwise might have had and, yeah, it's just taken off from there. I think this was a good time to come up with all the interest from legalization. I think, yeah, so that was my start. 

12:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I want to pick it up right there Before I do. By the way, the Indian mythology story reminds me of me and Johnny rolling dice in the office, and how I always convinced Johnny to take worse than normal odds, which he'll always do. 

12:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If it's for a friend, sometimes I'll give a bet back, you know. 

12:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Or the little roulette wheel we have. But okay, so you talked about COVID being the time that you're really starting to learn about sports betting. I want to press you a little bit there in terms of how you were able to stumble upon, like the Captain Jack stuff versus I won't single anyone else out, but a lot of the other stuff that's out there that may not be so valuable, because I find it to be incredibly challenging in the space, especially like when I'm putting out educational videos or we're coming up with topics for Circles Off here. I do quick Google searches, I do YouTube searches. The vast majority of the stuff that I find out there is completely irrelevant and meaningless and sets people down a pretty bad path. How were you able to stumble across the quote? Unquote good content. 

13:19 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think a big thing was I was already very interested in sports analytics so it was maybe easier for me to figure out. Like, okay, this guy, like the stuff he's saying is just not related at all to what's actually happening on the field. This is just, you know, something he's making up versus maybe, content that's more useful. It's like, I guess, more rooted in analytical thinking. Yeah, I think just having a basic knowledge of sports and what actually matters in sports was maybe important in me getting onto, like you say, good, helpful content at first. 

13:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Was the plan to turn this into something big? Were there aspirations to get to a semi-pro level, or was just something that you thought you could make like a little bit of side cash in the early going? 

14:10 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
um, I don't know, I guess it was, definitely it was. I think I more thought of it as like just a. I thought of it as just a covet hobby, honestly like um and then. But I think it kind of reached a point where I realized that there's actually a little bit more money to be made, even beyond covid um, when the world starts up again. 

14:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So yeah, kept kept going at it so what are you working on right now? Like, what are you betting these days? 

14:34 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
um, so I've been focused mostly on uh, nba, nfl and tennis. I think those were just the sports that I was already interested in from like watching and playing growing up. So I had a little bit of familiarity and domain knowledge, which is very useful when you're trying to learn how to originate something interesting that you say that, because I've I have conflicting opinions on that. 

14:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree with that. There's been a sentiment out there for a long time, though, from people that find that it's actually harder to originate the sports that they grew up following because they have, like, specific biases. A good friend of mine, for example, pitched like minor league college baseball and thinks he knows baseball inside and out, but his results in baseball have always been the worst, maybe double counting over accounting for something that he feels is valuable. Have have you ever run into situations like that, or is it just like seamless for you because you do understand the sport? 

15:33 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think so. I think like it's more than just understanding the sport, right, you need to understand some basic, the basic metrics that are kind of the foundation of creating a number, right? So, like NFL, for example, you need to know EPA and success rate, and then from there you can kind of go to like oh, I know this, for, like, I think this guy's going to struggle against like cover three more than man, or something like that. But if your whole read is just based on maybe that subjective thing and you have no data to back that up and you don't have any data to create a baseline, then you're going to run into trouble. But if you have kind of a little bit of statistical background in knowing how to maybe formulate a baseline and then you throw in your subjective opinion, I think that will work a lot better. 

16:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now, in terms of modeling, you say that you had some interest in analytics prior to that. I don't know what you studied in school or anything along those lines, but probably the most frequent question that I get via Twitter DMs is people who reach out to me and be like I want to model the NFL. I don't even know where to start For you. Did you know the starting point? Was it something that was a seamless transition for you, or was that something that you actually had to learn on top of just how the betting markets work? 

16:46 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So I think, okay, if we're going with NFL, I think maybe some people think, like to create a model, you need to like create your own stats. That's just the farthest thing from the truth, really. Like it's very unlikely you're going to create a stat that's better than what's publicly available. Like we discussed EPAa success rate. Like I think if you want to create a model, you should look into using those to build your model, instead of trying to think like, oh you know, I'm going to create my own stats. Like I think that's almost impossible unless you're like god level, like math, quant or something like that right interesting um, so are you just modeled like basically straight modeling right now for the major markets? 

17:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is it props, like you know? 

17:28 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Oh, I mean yeah, I mean it's like NBA. I do everything NFL like definitely more props. I don't think I can beat you know NFL post so early. 

17:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
In that case it's more props and like early week sides and totals and then remind us or if I don't know if you've mentioned it already publicly but are you, uh, in like a regulated betting state? Um, yeah, currently I am okay, awesome, so you're basically it's like a lot of regulated market, like full. If you don't want to talk too much about your, your betting, that's fine, just um, you know, always nice to paint the picture Like what are these guys actually betting, especially for people who you know don't necessarily keep like the most public profile on Twitter, like you. 

18:14 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah, I mean so I think. Yeah, I got into, I talked about so like NBA, like definitely I guess the NBA, everything like player props, sides, totals. You know I love NBA. Playoffs is my favorite thing. Like just because NBA regular season is more just model-based you know teams are just trying to get through the season versus playoffs they're. You know it's more matchup, specific, Like everything's. Like it's more styles make fights in the playoffs, which is what I really enjoy, like I think you asked me earlier am I straight modeling? Like the answer is no, like I definitely believe in the eye test and like styles make fights, things like that I think you need to, you need to model to get like kind of a baseline number, but I definitely believe in maybe some more subjective opinions on top of that. 

19:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
How much do your models different from sport to sport or your style of handicapping? So you mentioned you do NBA, you do NFL, you do tennis three very different sports. Did you build like different types of models for those? Does one sport have more of a subjective feel than the rest of them? 

19:30 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Or is it just pretty much consistent across the board? So I think big picture, like the my approach is kind of founded from actually more. So I played a bunch of tennis like pretty competitively growing up and I think my whole betting style has kind of been shaped by that. So tennis is like it's a one-on-one sport. So I think anything that's one-on-one it's going to be very matchup dependent. Versus just pure like power ratings. 

19:47
Um, this is an oversimplified example, I think. But like in the nfl, like if you're, if your offensive tackle is weak and you're going up against like miles, miles, garrett, tj watt type guy, like there's a few adjustments you can make. You can like double with a tight end or running back or something like obviously these are not panaceas, but there's a little bit of a solution. Um versus like tennis. Um, you know, if you, if you're a bad returner and you're playing a great server, like that's just going to be a big matchup problem the whole time. There's no one who can help you out. So that's kind of shaped my thinking across all sports. I probably value matchup advantages a lot more than most people do, who are maybe more just like okay, here's my power rating and I'm just going to go with that. The rest is narrative noise, whatever. I don't believe that I value specific matchups. I think more than most people. 

20:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Fair enough. Now, in the tennis market, specifically considering it's one-on-one, similar to, like, the UFC market that Johnny bets into and stuff like that, do you think that the mark, like I let me phrase this in the way that I think is best? Do you think that what you're doing is unique to yourself? Right, because, like some, there's got to be a lot of people out there that are handicapping this based off of matchup, right? Where does your edge come from, specifically in tennis? Because I can't see that as something that other people are not accounting for. Oh, definitely. 

21:17 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think, yeah, I think a lot of people are accounting for it. I think I mean, tennis is a very efficient market. It's a very liquid market, think I think closing lines definitely a lot of this is accounted for um, maybe in opening lines. I think maybe some of this is not as much accounted for um and well-known players, like it's obviously accounted for. Like I think everyone kind of knows the strengths and weaknesses of, like Federer, Nadal, djokovic, maybe not as much for lower ranked players. And I think specific edge in tennis, I think you know it's it's a global sport. Players are traveling all over the place. There's like that's something you have to keep track of. There's a lot of players. There's like I think you know an example, like you know, in the NFL there was like the game where Kansas City was like traveling to Germany and that line moved a ton just on the. Just because of the rest, I feel like right. 

22:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I personally think that's why it moved that week because Miami flew out to Germany very early in the week move that week because Miami flew out to Germany very early in the week. And I think Kansas City flew out on the Friday, which was deemed by I mean, a lot of the sharper NFL minds that I follow that were talking about it deemed that to be a huge, huge advantage for Miami getting acclimated early in the week. 

22:40 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Right. So I believe that was a huge advantage too. Obviously that lost, but whatever. But my point is like in the NFL that's like a once in a season type of thing, whereas in tennis like players are traveling from like South America to Asia like multiple times in a season. So it's like if you just keep up with like kind of travel and rest and all this kind of stuff, I think there's definitely some edges to be had just out of that. 

23:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now, you're fairly new to betting. Are you betting full time? No, no, some edges to be had just out of that now. You're fairly new to to betting? 

23:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
are you bet? Are you betting full-time? No, no, not full-time so you, are you working as well or is in school still? 

23:12 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
right, uh, graduated a little bit ago, so working now and then doing the betting more on the side, nice, okay, sorry, rob, to cut you yeah. 

23:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I was just gonna ask, because you're very much ingrained with a lot of the sharper community on twitter uh, for your own personal betting right now, are you doing everything yourself, or or, in this shorter time frame, have you reached out to other people and started working uh in in more of a group setting? 

23:35 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
um, I think I'm still kind of at the point where I I can, um handle a lot of the stuff myself, like, obviously, um, you get limited thrown out. So I've reached out to a few friends to like get additional places to play at, and I do talk to some of the people on Twitter, which has definitely been helpful, just bounce some ideas off the wall. But I don't like have an official like group or partnership with anybody as of yet. 

24:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Is that the biggest pain point for you in betting right now getting limited and banned from shops? 

24:06 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
um, I mean, I think I'm not one of the people who will ever say like winning is easy, so I think winning is definitely still like not something I take for granted, but yeah, I think, um, you know, I think my goal is definitely to kind of reach a point where you can maybe win at the sharper, like pinnacle Chris, but yeah, I think, right now, getting limited is definitely a sticking point. 

24:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now, given the like evolving landscape of sports betting, all the potential changes and you know regulatory markets and so on and so forth, what do you think like how do you see your betting operation working five years from now? Are you paying attention to specific industry trends and developments? Are you part of like the movement that's trying to get you know a little bit better regulations on? You know fairness to the inequality to players? Like, what is the end goal for you right now, frank, from a betting perspective? 

25:06 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So I'll be. This is very honest. I think the end goal is to make the most money possible from it. I'm not sure how that will be, what that would mean five, 10 years from now. I don't think it's going to be there. I know it's not going to be the route of TikTok, because that's just not my personality, to be like a media person. 

25:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, you're not on camera right now. 

25:31 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So that's definitely not my thing, but I think you mentioned trends. Like a lot of it is just like you know. There are people like you guys, spanky Rufus, like people who have been winning bet bettors for 15, 20 years. They're all moving into, like you know, trying to set up services that generate recurring revenue from other customers. Um, I think that's a trend that's going to continue. You know, there was like the whole mikhail bridges kerfuffle a few weeks ago where, like, people were mad at the guy who, like put out that he might not play the whole game. Um, our boy Kirk. 

26:06
Yeah, I think the one issue I have with that is people are saying, oh, these guys are just trying to get likes and clicks and they're throwing away real money. That's not true, right? Everyone's trying to monetize, even these people. He's trying to generate attention so he can then sell whatever he's selling, right? So he's trying to monetize. I mean, he has a different way of monetizing than just betting it, but but everyone's trying to monetize. I think everything's gonna go that way and like, yeah, you have to adapt. Like expecting everyone to keep all their edges close to their vest, I think is becoming very rare these days. 

26:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, like I say he's selling something, brother. I've been saying it for weeks. 

26:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But it's fun, it's an interesting convo because the perspective of all the sharp bettors and the people who are either doing this, like semi-professionally professionally they always including myself, even though I do content as well my perspective is like, yeah, if you don't publicly share that edge, you probably could make a lot more money off of that in the long run. But the inability to for people to put themselves in other people's shoes, it's like imagine you're not a serious better and you stumble across an edge like that. It's not going to dawn on you like, hey, maybe I can go reach out to all the biggest betting groups that can help me get down on this specific prop. Right, like what's dawning on these people is I'm building a brand, this is something that my followers are going to eat up. I'm going to put it out there and like it could be frustrating. I get it, but you know that's. 

27:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's the rationale like you don't even know if this guy has like people are like, oh, this is like generational wealth opportunity, like he might legit only have like 250 dollars in his account. Like I'm not saying that I'm not trying to disrespect that guy, but I'm saying for a lot of people that do it like what are you gonna do? How are you gonna make generational wealth? Okay, great, you have, like you have, you have 100 bucks in your betting account and you could maybe reload another 200 bucks like what I. I don't really, uh, never really understood that I think the other thing majority of people. 

28:07 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I mean I think you guys just said, maybe, like you make a lot more money protecting your edges. I mean, like I'm actually I don't even know if that's true like if you take um, like the products bank, he's running, he's out screen like he charges 500 a month, that's, you know, six thousand dollars a year per person. And how many users do you think he has? A few hundred, maybe, I don't know. 

28:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think that's a good guess. 

28:30 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I have no idea. But let's just say he has 200 users. That's 1.2 million revenue every year. That's a lot of money. His margins are going to be sky high. You can easily sell that for I would say $10 to $15 million. That's a lot of money. I that for I would say you know, 10 to $15 million. Like that's a lot of money. And he, I mean he's giving I think he's probably giving away some edge, but like in return he's getting risk-free, like pretty nice chunky change down the line. Like I don't know if we're at a point where keeping everything close to the vest is going to make you the most money. 

28:58
Yeah, so from your perspective, you mentioned Spanky, you mentioned Captain Jack, you mentioned me and Johnny, you mentioned Rufus, like from your outside, looking in perspective, why do you think we're seeing a lot more bettors starting to get involved in secondary products? I mean, just the addressable market is growing so much with, like, the legalization, like I think 10 years ago people view sports betting as something very shady. But now I mean you see, like the D kings fan duel commercials on tv everywhere. I think people who previously wouldn't be willing to do it are much more willing to do it and because of that there's just much more money to be made by, uh, having a large subscriber base do you view that in a negative light at all? 

29:43
um, I mean, yes, just in the sense that I'm new, and maybe this is just selfish on my part, but I don't have the standing to make a company like that and in my perfect world everyone would just bet their edges and the smartest people would make the most money. 

29:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But obviously that's not where we're at and you kind of have to adapt to that Sounds sounded like a little bit of jealousy if I'm digging deeper into it, so obviously that's not where we're at and you kind of have to adapt to that. Sounded like a little bit of a jealousy if, if I'm digging deeper into it. 

30:11 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I mean, that's what I said, yeah, like, maybe, maybe on some level. I am kind of I wish I'd been into betting space 15 years ago and maybe I would have like a company that's also making millions of dollars in recurring revenue every year, but's not. I mean, that's not the case. Like I don't like, I don't think I'm gonna focus on that, like so yeah millions is nothing, bro, don't worry about it. 

30:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, here we go everyone who's listening right now. You'll get. You'll get that one in a bit. 

30:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I uh, I peeked a bit at the script um, yeah, no, like we can harp on it forever, like if only I was born in this time in life or or whatever, things would have changed right, like imagine, I'm not saying that it was like easy to win back in the day, but pre-internet, you know there was newspaper lines which all the bookies were going off of and, if you know, michael jordan was out in a game. You know you could bet against the bulls and the line wasn't moving because nobody knew, or like that information wasn't accessed across north america. 

31:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like that's an absurdly okay, but literally in 15 years, people are going to be saying, man, the, the sports regulated and they would put out the numbers and then, like, lebron would get ruled out and you could still just go and bet it on your phone. That's what they're going to be saying. They're going to be like you could just open your phone and it was still there. The line was still there. There's going to be crazy amounts of things that change. Everyone's been saying this for years oh, gambling, it's, it's going away. It's going to be harder and harder every year. It will be absolutely. But the stuff that existed 15 years ago, like it, was probably the same level of difficulty for the times, right, like it, just it's. 

31:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's inflation, essentially yeah, we have access to technology now, and still the people who are best at being able to use their brains are going to win out over the long run. 

32:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, like to be fair, you'd be like, oh, you could just find the newspaper, yeah, but you also literally had to, like run across town yeah, you had to wait at the airport for the planes to come in so you could get newspapers from out of town yeah, and you had to run across town in las vegas to place your bet and you could only bet in las vegas or with yeah, I think I think it's hard back then too. 

32:24 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Like I think a lot of people make the mistake of like you think like now, like oh, you know I'm, if I had like twitter right now and I get everything on my phone instantaneously, then yeah, obviously it would be super easy to win back in the 80s. But, like you have the same limitations everyone else, so it was probably still somewhat hard to get that. 

32:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Get good in on that info back then too the one person that really suffered from being born when he was is joey knish, because if he was born 15 years earlier, he basically would have become stew feiner or, like jim feist, he would have been such a good tout marketer at some point where he could have made millions. 

32:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's the one person I'll always point to, uncle k, uncle k that could have done it speaking of uncle k here, sir, we're gonna get into gambling twitter as it's on rob's topic sheet. Um first question, this one that's. This is not. This is boring. Your twitter profile says you joined twitter in december 2021. How did you original, originally stumble on what we call gambling twitter? 

33:24 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
um, so I think it was before December 2021. I think it was actually. I think it was when Seth Byrne went on Bet the Process, Like I don't know when that was, but that's when he called me a goat blower on that. 

33:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I think he was like he did call you a goat blower. 

33:40 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
He did. I think it was like right before the 2020 election. I think that was kind of the topic there. But yeah, I mean, I I had no idea who he was, but I kind of was interested in some of the things he was saying, so started following. He'd like brought up whatever seville, all his guys there, um a bunch. 

33:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I just kind of was like all right, this is something I want to look into, and I guess it kind of started from there yeah, so, like, you seem to have been generally well received by, by that community, um, which consists of a lot of the sharper bettors in the space. Why do you think that came to be? Because I mean, at that point, you know you're surfacing and I don't mean this with disrespect, but you have, you know, much more limited knowledge in the betting space, just off the time that you had been betting, but you seem to be able to fit in with this community of of like what deems themselves to be like the gatekeepers of gambling twitter oh, I think I don't know. 

34:36 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I mean, like I actually like at first, my, uh, my idea was to like control some of the sharper people like um. I went after like um, your old guests like ship shipper, a bunch. 

34:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Really, I didn't know that you think he's sharp or no? 

34:56 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Oh yeah, I really like him now. I think he's a good dude, very sharp. 

34:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What I loved about Shipper is he roasted me for a full year on Twitter and then he came on the show and he acted like we were best friends, like nothing ever happened between the two of us. Call me like a moron about a million times. The ship the shipper, ship. 

35:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Honestly, I've come to like that guy. I why I never actually hated him, but uh, yeah, I've come to like that guy. That guy's, that guy's very funny yeah he also messaged me after the last episode and he was like your plus ev move was spot on, which was that you, you got to get a couple mementos of the big wins and put them up, and I want to see a lot, a lot of people were fans of that one. I appreciate you guys. You guys have my back, thank you yeah, no, I think. 

35:43 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Um, I think I was yeah, but I think the reason is I think I maybe get along well with these people, I think are like. I think we have like kind of maybe similar mentalities to betting sports, um, and just like maybe in life a little bit, I think my uh, so this is a it's frank costanza, but I think the real goal here was actually larry david, like you knowb, like his person. The whole idea behind Curb is like he says and does all the things on the show that he could never do in real life, and that's this is that was my idea. Like I'm going to tweet all the stuff that you just can't say or do in real life, and I think that's a lot of what. I think those people are also maybe going by on Twitter, so it just kind of was a fit like that. 

36:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
How has being part of that community impacted your betting overall? Do you associate with these people regularly? Do you talk betting strategy? Do you learn from them and what they're posting regularly? Do you have relationships outside of Twitter? Walk us through that a little bit. 

36:50 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think at first it was a big, I would say, kind of a confidence booster. I had been winning a little bit. I wasn't sure if it was just luck or if I really knew what I was doing. But I think, realizing that some of these people knew what they were doing, and just kind of reading the stuff they were tweeting and talking about, I kind of realized, okay, I'm kind of on the same wavelength as a lot of these people in terms of what I'm looking at when I'm trying to bet, and I think that was definitely um, gave me a lot more confidence than I had when I was getting started. 

37:23
Um, and yeah, I mean I I don't, like I said I'm not like whatever technical partners with anybody, but I do do talk to them once in a while. It's great to like just get to bounce like educated ideas off people. I think when I was growing up, you know, if you try to talk about like true shooting with a lot of my friends, they'll just look at you like you know you're speaking Chinese or something Like well, you know, we only know points per game Like what's this true shooting? 

37:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's, yeah, it's been nice to just get kind of a community of people that think about sports kind of more the way I do when, uh, when, you originally listened to that bet the process episode with seth burn, um, really, you could have went to twitter afterwards and you could have followed jeff ma, you could have followed rufus, but you there was something about Seth Byrne that particularly spoke to you there where you wanted to engage with him. Would you say that there's like an overlap of personality traits from him to yourself? Like what was it specifically that? 

38:24 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
that. So he's he's. He is one of the people I've met in real life, I think on Twitter, I think our personalities maybe even in real life a little bit. I think we are maybe a little bit similar. I think some people at first were accusing me of being his burner. So yeah, I think our thoughts definitely run a little bit on the same wavelength, so sorry they accused gambling Frank Costanza as being Seth Burns' burner. 

38:57
Seth Burns is a burner. Right Thath burns burner. Seth burn is a burner. That is, seth burn is a real burner. I I've been accused of being his, of being like the ship's burner, of like spross betters burner. 

39:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
A lot of people were uh, yeah, but but why would anyone make that accusation? Those are all burners why would someone accuse a burner account of? 

39:09 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
yeah, burner, having another burner, I don't know, but um, well, that would be a sharp play, though, yeah might be a plus cv play of the week. Here I mean, I got I mean I got people were saying I was doing the um, the bet, the podcast reviews. I was like, you know, I like I review podcasts on my own account. I don't need it, I don't need a whole other one to do that. 

39:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh the BPR. 

39:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, that account has mysteriously died off and went off into the sunset over the past couple months conveniently after I mentioned some of the popular vocabulary that's being used. 

39:42 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think someone's. Oh, he'll come back to tell me how bad I am, so don't worry, I don't think so I think that person will come back and give you a 7 out of 10, Frank. 

39:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
A yes or a no? 

39:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It will be a yes, just because of who you are, it's very typical, but I think you were asking earlier. 

39:58 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So I think why did I grab? So I had already been like that wasn't the first Bed to Process episode that I had listened to. I had listened to some in the past, I think, I guess. So I just already I kind of knew who rufus and jeff were. Um seth burn was a new character so I just wanted to follow more into that and what he was about. Um and I think like so my goal with starting to listen to bet the process was to learn like how to bet the nfl um. And I don't want to turn this into like bad mouth, but like I I think a lot of what they talk about is just like okay, here's my Massey Peabody number and like kind of that's it. It's not really what I was looking for. I want more. Like I was saying I'm more interested in like the matchups and stuff like that. 

40:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I just kind of gravitated um more away from them and got into, I guess, other other people's stuff if you're like a true, like modeler originator, it's it's got to be not low for content, because then all you just say is like I make this game, I make this number 3.2, I got this bet on this, I make the total this, I got the bet on this. And then you would really not want to get into exactly why you made it that. Yeah, so you can't really work with content. 

41:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You don't want to give out like the exact details. So, typically speaking, you're right about that. Like what I try to do is give out roughly what my number is on the game and why I think my number differentiates from market, basically, like I'm not going to just go give out a bunch of stats that people already know. Right, like that, so you know. Like, for example, the game we talked about earlier in Frankfurt, right About the Dolphins, and Chiefs Say I really liked the Dolphins in that game. I probably would do my content saying I make this number in the game this and I like the Dolphins because I think the rest advantage is bigger than the market is making it seem. Or if I liked the kc, I'd say I think the rest advantage is maybe being overplayed in this game. So is that actually factored in though, to your, to your stuff? Well, it depends. There's so many people bet oh, is that stuff factored in? 

41:56 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
yes to yours, I mean in the closing line. 

41:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That was definitely factored in, right, like I mean I know I'm not saying is it is a factor in the closing. I'm saying the stuff that you're actually the stuff that you're actually giving out and saying like, yeah, I like the dolphins, because of this number, are you giving out stuff that's going to potentially harm your thing? 

42:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
your edge. So yes and no. So for me personally, I I toe the boundary. So, like I do a lot of stuff now where I will talk about a matchup, similar to the way that frank handicaps games, I think matchups are extremely important in sports, right, I hate people who just put to. I don't say I mean I hate people, but I don't like the philosophy of, like I'm just going to power rate every single team in the league this team's four points above average, this team's one point above, below. Put them on, you know, add in home field advantage. This is the price on the game. I don't agree with that at all because I think that there are certain teams in sports that, stylistically, will fare well against other teams regularly. So that's how I like to do it. I talk about, like, defensive coverages I frank said this off the top right and him incorporating um, how a quarterback might fare against certain schemes. 

43:06 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
But I don't give all the bells and whistles when I talk about that, right, I give the very basic I think if I, if I can jump, I think maybe the thing, maybe you don't look, the thing you leave out, is a lot of times I feel like is, is the wire right, like we, we might say like, oh, this guy has like bad 8 pm success rate against cover three. 

43:25
But like, I think, if you like, the ideal scenario is that you can look on film and say, oh, oh, it's because of this, this and this, like from a technical standpoint, because then, like, when things change, you can adapt much faster right, like, let's say, a guy has always struggled against whatever man defense and then suddenly, like there's a new coach and in his first game he plays really good against man. Like, if you're purely on stats, you might throw that out as an outlier. If you also can come in and watch film, you might be able to say oh, like, look, he's made these technical adjustments and now, like, this looks a lot more real than like a one-game sample size might lead you to believe. 

44:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I know there's a lot of people in the gambling community that do that and that sharpens up the line. 

44:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Question for both you guys here is how much sharper, if at all, is the gambling, gambling market for nfl than the actual nfl oh teams. 

44:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, I, it depends on who, like I think close, like the the way, sorry, sorry to answer. Explain the question a little better for everybody the way the teams play defense or offense, yes, versus how it's factored into the betting lines, like if the best modelers for nfl could get behind the nfl team and be like no, this is how you do it. How much better would that team be? 

44:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you think a lot possibly, but there's also like there's there's things that are not realistic as well. So, uh, the episode I did with eric eager, right, I asked him specifically about well, like, why do teams not play the matchups more in in week? So, for example, here's what I mean you might have a quarterback who kills man coverage. You have a defense that's played a lot of man coverage all year. 

45:05
There tends to be a tendency in the nfl for the the team to deploy the same type of defense pretty regularly, some new wrinkles here and there. But if you look at, if you chart teams' defenses over the course of the year, you're going to see a lot of the same rates game by game. And Eric just said to me well, like, it's not enough time in between games to be able to learn a new defense and just like, completely change the way that you're playing defense. So lots of teams just stick with that. So I think a lot of people from gambling twitter, the modelers, would be like, oh, this is incredibly stupid what this team is doing, but it's not practical that they could make a wide scale change over the course of a week either. 

45:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So it's like a balance okay, fair enough I don't know if you agree with that frank, I agree with that a lot. 

45:48 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think, yeah, I think a lot of people maybe over overlook kind of just the human element like these. These are athletes, they have a very certain mindset. It's not always the easiest to get them to change how they think and I think you know to maintain buy-in while you're bringing in radical changes is maybe not the easiest thing you can do. 

46:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I definitely don't think like everything you can do, like theoretically or on a model, can automatically be brought to like the actual game that easily where I do think that a lot of the the best bettors in the world or football bettors in the world would have success would be being on the sideline during a game and managing the clock. Managing the clock and helping with like in-game decision making right, yeah, that's for sure like I. 

46:36
I personally think sean mcveigh cost the rams a win this week from the the punt or from the first half, first half the punt, the decision to kick a field goal down 24 20. There was like a lot of things that could have changed in that game and I I think in a lot of cases there's just like a lot of ego with coaches in the nfl right, but you could literally just hire someone to stand on the sideline and help with in-game decision making and I think team, a lot of teams would be better off for it. 

47:07
But I don't think that coaches would ever allow that either he also burnt two timeouts yeah, meaning like that's what I'm saying, like things like that just shouldn't happen and everyone watching knows that these are mistakes except the coach, and I think that's where the best bettors could have a meaningful impact I don't know how to stress this enough. 

47:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you are down points at the half, if you're coming into the half down tied or up a little, you 100 million percent cannot take any timeouts until the end of the game. No exceptions, there's really no exceptions. Just take the delay of game penalty. You cannot take a timeout until you are stopping the clock at the end of the game. If you are down, that's it. You can't take a third quarter timeout. They're so valuable. They're so valuable, I know, and they're taking them to like oh, we saw something in the defense there and like we got to call timeout and like call a new play. Ridiculous. 

48:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And Frank, I'm not sure if you watched the Rams-Lions on Sunday night, but Sunday night, but, like McVay, at the end of the first half, right he, they have three timeouts. Do the Lions now? So do the Rams now? So do the Lions? So I get it. You're trying to do like your balancing of moving down the field and not giving the Lions the ball back, but they run a play on first down and they pick up six yards, so they now have a second and four and that is a very high likelihood of being able to convert that into a first down and at least keep the drive going a little bit longer. All McVay was thinking about there was let's pick up a first down and get this to the half. 

48:40 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Go ahead. No, I was just going to say I think one of the things that kind of stands out not just in gambling but in analytics, when you apply them to sports, a lot of times what you'll find is like things that happen less often but the reward is so great when they do happen, like those are a lot more valuable than I think a lot of the teams and coaches maybe realize. Like. 

49:01
I would give a very basic example is like in the NBA, you know a lot of it took a people like such a long time to realize that the threeinter is so much more valuable than a two because like they they just go in, you know, a lot more often, but it's like you know this is, you know three is 50 more than two, like when it does go and it's so valuable like but people are slow to adjust to that just because I think humans are conservative by nature. So it's just like like fourth down. Like you know, converting a fourth down it's the same thing, right, like um, you might like it doesn't succeed as often maybe, but when it, when it does succeed, like the reward is just so great that it outweighs kind of the risk, right yeah, totally 100. 

49:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I'm like I'm just thinking about that matchup like the rams didn't get stopped in the first half, right, they went field goal, touchdown, touchdown, end of half. So they literally went down the field. They didn't punt as a cent or they didn't turn the ball over and they're just conceding a possession at that point in the game where their offense has a huge advantage over the Lions defense, all because they're backed up on their own 10-yard line. They pick up positive play on the first down and the thing that was really telling to me was they go to the half. Sideline. 

50:12
Reporter gets McVay running off the field. She asks him about Matt Stafford's half and he's fixated on the fact that Stafford got them to the locker room on that final Like. All he was thinking in his head for that final possession was we cannot give the Lions the ball back, rather than thinking we have a huge advantage with our offense against his defense. Let's go and get some points. He's like oh, matt did a great job at the end of the half there, being able to get us out, get us and get a first down, get us out to the half no, you know what's? 

50:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
the craziest part, too, is they won the toss and deferred. Yeah. So if you're gonna do that or actually, maybe the lions received, I don't know what it was but if you're gonna win the toss and defer, why do you then run out the club? That's the value of the defer is exactly what happened there is, you get a one minute drive where you burn the clock and then you come up for the second half and get the ball first. That's the value right of the entire thing, but they just completely blew it. Yeah, terrible coaching decisions. I think there's a lot of people you don't even need to be that good at betting to make those calls. 

51:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's not necessarily like you need the best bettors in the world. You just need more common sense. 

51:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How about punting it at the end of the game? Just? 

51:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah. 

51:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're going to need to stop anyways, go for it. This game's over. Like man? Yeah, I mean they did. Lions ran it out. Fair enough, all right. Other questions from Gambling Twitter here. So gambling twitter here. So actually this one, this one could be interesting. Share some key insights or life lessons you've gained from gambling twitter oh, I don't know if they're. 

51:46 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think maybe I think just like kind of, you know, be humble, keep an open mind. I think for me at least, I think maybe without like seeing these people, I might have thought, oh, I'm all sports betting, I'm so great. It kind of kept me in check. There's actually a lot of people who are also really smart, who know as much and more than me. I think, yeah, I'm not sure. Actually, in a way, it's kind of made like. 

52:15
In a way, I think getting more on Twitter is actually maybe made it tough to talk about sports with just like my normal friends. 

52:22
I feel like like a little bit ago I was right before Christmas, I was on a trip with somebody I hadn't seen in a while and he's like he's a big Lakers fan and they had just like won the in-season tournament and he was like pretty hyped up. 

52:37
He's like, oh, you know, lakers have as good a chance as anybody is winning the title this year and I think anyone who like follows basketball a little bit knows that that's just not true. Like there's a lot of teams that are way better than the lakers and if that happened on twitter like you can just be like oh, you know you're, you're a moron, you don't know, you don't know ball. You know, in real life you obviously you can't do that, or I mean you can, but you won't have any friends left pretty soon. But so, yeah, it's just I don't know. It's just like Twitter, it's a good release to just kind of, like I said, you can say things that you otherwise can't say. Yeah, I don't know if I've learned. I don't know if there's been any big life lessons I've learned from being on Twitter. 

53:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, well, can you share maybe one or two memorable moments from gambling Twitter that stand out to you as like particularly noteworthy or satisfying, entertaining, like things that you look back on and you know fond memories of? Yeah? 

53:37 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So this didn't happen on Twitter. But so Rufus, I think a few months ago, went on the MacIntyre show and they were talking about trolls, dealing with trolls or whatever. And Rufus goes, like you know, there's this one guy who's like trolled me as much as anybody, but he invited me to like, uh, meet up because we were both going to be traveling in the same city. And mcintyre goes, like, well, rufus, like you can't actually think it's a good idea to meet this person. He's probably like a total psycho maniac, lunatic or whatever. And, um, you know that that person was me. So I, uh, I didn't think I would get a shout out from like whatever radio podcast host and calling me like psycho lunatic, but I was. 

54:23
Um, I think I was listening to that on the subway and I just kind of started like laughing in the car and everyone was looking at me like yo, what's, what's wrong with this dude like he's, he's crazy, but um, but yeah, I found that. I found that pretty funny. Um, you know, rufus, if you ever listen to this, like, I'm still waiting for you to invite. But, yeah, I found that pretty funny. You know, rufus, if you ever listen to this, I'm still waiting for you to invite me on an all-expense trip to New York to reciprocate my generous offer of lunch back then. So hit me up. 

54:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, I think we have a couple tweets here that Rob prepped Zach you going to pull these up here? I did a quick search at CostanzaB search at costanza bets too, and at rob pazola and if you just double search both those on twitter, it gives you all the interactions, correct. 

55:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't use it too much yeah, it gives you all the interactions. Now, full disclosure here, frank, I probably have you muted for at least a year, so I didn't even know that some of these existed. Even again, what has this guy been tweeting at me over the course of the years? And, uh, we have a bunch that have come up. Um, but I I need you to walk me through some of the the issues okay, yeah okay. 

55:33
So this one up on screen can't wait for robizzola to complain. When someone posts the anthem rehearsals, lock up people who want refunds when players get hurt, but feel free to be a crybaby. When somebody posts easily obtained info for the public to see, from my perspective, these aren't even close to being the same thing, frank. 

55:55 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So they're very much not the same thing. I think it was the timing that made them go together. Um, I this was a while ago, I might not remember right, but I think you had done like a show or podcast where you were complaining about, uh yeah, that the anthem being leaked. And then there was also, like I think this was the super bowl, like some player got hurt and a bunch of people wanted his refund. Like them to refund him. And I think, just from my mind, like if you're like the majority of bettors are, like maybe they're only betting the super bowl. Like if you're if the guy you bet on got hurt, like it's kind of human instinct to be like, yeah, I want a refund. 

56:30
You know, maybe more serious bettors like the the three of us here like we bet hundreds of bets a day, like we know, like some injuries help you, some hurt you, but if that's gonna be your only bet of the year, like yeah, no shit, you want a refund. Like versus the anthem. It's like, like I said, it's like you know anyone can get it if you want. Like so that's just like it's kind of like that discussion we were having earlier about mikhail bridges, like these things are going to be put out like people, like the guy who put it out, he wants to get attention, wants to get a following, like he wants to monetize that. Um, you know, I just think like you gotta accept that and that's where we're going. Like yes, being, yeah, being mad about that is kind of like kind of pointless, right it's I, I get, I get that whole thing. 

57:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So that the anthem thing for me I've talked about this on the show before, but that was a big moneymaker for me for many years. What really, really cheesed me about the guy that recorded the Anthem time outside of the Super Bowl and posted it to Twitter is that he really I know it was like good intentions, right. It was like he thought he was doing everyone a favor at that point. I don't think it was like good intentions, right. It was like he thought he was doing everyone a favor at that point. I don't think it was actually like I want to do this to like build my brand and get a ton of engagement. I think he was actually trying to do people a favor and thought if I post this, a bunch of people are going to be able to bet this and win money. But in doing that he literally nuked the market until the end of time and in one video it was just like lack lack of understanding that really frustrated me there no, I get that. 

58:08 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I mean like, if you're, if you really understand a market and someone else is clueless, you, you can get frustrated, but I just yeah, I don't know. I think it was more the. I think it was just like the different stances of like. I think you were like maybe not even you, but a bunch of people were like, oh, these people are such crybabies. Like why are they asking for a refund? It's like like, put yourself in there. She's like, if that's the only bet you make this year, like are you not going to be mad about that? 

58:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
up good points, all right. What's up next? We got uh. This one is in reference to uh, an appearance that I made on bet the process. So frank tweets jeff to jeff. Ma, you say you like conflict on the show, but then only bring on people who are your or rufus business partners, instead of someone who will really hold his feet to the fire. This one I definitely took. I responded to this. This might have been when I muted you. Actually, I took real offense to this because, like, how how many times have I called rufus out before? 

59:06
like when I don't agree with him I go on the pod and I I call him out when I don't agree with him. 

59:11 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So this I actually wasn't responding to you, this was so I I might be wrong on this, but the context of this was, like Jeff tweeted something like you know, I'm going to, I'm going to grill Rufus about, like what he's doing, selling golf picks or with unabated whatever. 

59:24
Um, I was just like you know, like there's a basic rules aside of like if the judge like knows that the defendant, like he's got to recuse himself, like Jeff is Rufus is the business partner like they're we've been the process is their brand. Like obviously he's not going to say anything that like paints in a very negative light because in the end, that's just hurting himself. So, like I feel like having him like ask the tough questions is kind of like that's a silly idea, just because like it's against his interest and you would want someone else who might be, who's not affiliated with them, who would be willing to ask harder questions. Like I'm not saying you, I wasn't really trying to say you didn't or did or didn't. I don't know if you went on a pod about that specifically, but this was. 

01:00:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't think this was actually directed at you premise though like that, that's just what happens in content. Right, like I I'm, when I disagree with johnny, we might, we might hash it out, but like, if he doesn't want me to bring something up, I'm not gonna bring it up no, of course, but that's that's the point I'm making. 

01:00:28 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Right, like he's obviously like it's, it would be dumb with him to ask like questions they don't want to talk about. So so yeah, I mean, I guess I just I feel like if you were to either just don't do it or like I think, just saying like this is like the definitive word, like we're going to hash everything out, like without having someone else to who would actually debate, it is kind of not worth it. But you know, it's their brand. Obviously they should do whatever is best for them. Like don't really have any serious issues there, I guess. 

01:00:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
OK, we'll move it along. I thought this was more directed at me, but we'll keep it going. Um, when Rob Pizzola said he felt bad for the guy who lost 6 million in the circus survivor because of the Raiders, I kept waiting for Johnny to run into the studio and scream 6 million Isn't a lot of money. I spend that much just on the rent for the Betstamp office. You want to elaborate on this one. 

01:01:21 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah, so I think this is actually kind of I think this is something that I felt like has happened a bunch on this show. It's kind of just like the trivialization of making money. I don't know if you remember this, but there was like the. This used to be your favorite topic. The, the billion dollar coin flip. 

01:01:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yes, Billy flip yeah. 

01:01:41 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
And I think I think Johnny said something like well, I would turn down 50 million in a heartbeat because I could just make that on my own over time. And I was like, well, that's like I mean, most people are not going to make anywhere close to that. That's kind of silly to say like course, I'm gonna make 50 million, so that just. I feel like that's just like yeah, kind of out there, I may. I hope you do like I hope you make 50 million but I would say I double down on that. 

01:02:06
But that wouldn't be nearly enough of a bet to um, but like I just, I mean like okay, I mean if, if you really think that's like, it's likely, like great, I mean I hope you, I hope you do hit that number. But I just think it's kind of like yeah, it's trivializing like how hard it is to make even a million dollars, like, but 99.99 percent of people are never going to reach 50 million, and to say like yeah, yeah, it's no brainer, I'll get there one day, like that's kind of reckless in my opinion buddy, with that mindset you're not going anywhere. 

01:02:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll tell you that much for free um, yeah, uh, you can be positive. 

01:02:40 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I'm I'm more of a realistic. 

01:02:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, I'm more realistic, I'm more skeptical, more negative, but yeah okay, johnny is certainly one of the most confident people I've ever known, and that stems from the comp. I hate to rehash this. You know where I'm going with this. No, johnny, I'm just going to tell you right now there is no chance you could ever build a four-year-old. 

01:03:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, buddy, I'll build that F1 car. You could not. 

01:03:05 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I have a very strong take on this one too. This is kind of tied into it. The rationale behind I could get a job at like F1 mechanical thing was like oh well, I'll just go back to school and get a mech e degree and then I'll get hired. Like buddy, I can go to law school doesn't mean I'll become a us senator one day. Like these are like the hardest jobs to reach you don't know what you're talking about. 

01:03:25
You don't know what you're talking about degree means the degree is the easiest part, like becoming a senator. You know 10 000 law school people want to do it. 50 spots like do the math. 

01:03:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's mostly not gonna happen the ease at which I can build an f1 car over my entire lifetime. 

01:03:41 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
That's minus one zillion oh, yeah, I mean building it. I guess I was, I was more lifetime getting the actual yeah, yeah, I was thinking about getting like the actual job. I guess being able to do it is maybe slightly different, I guess. 

01:03:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But I'm saying okay, getting that actual job is even easier than building the car. That could be done, probably in about. We'll see that getting the job I think would take even easier than building the car. That could be done, probably in about. Well see, getting the job I think would take me longer than building the car, significantly longer Because you would need some sort of formal education to get that job. But building the actual car, that's. Again, I'll stand by this. It's a year project. That's a year project or less. 

01:04:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you don't think Johnny can build the car, smash that like button down below. This is how we're going to get the most likes we ever did. If you don't think Johnny can build the car, smash it. But if you do think he can make sure you leave a comment in support of him. Please leave a comment. 

01:04:27 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Can I throw out like an arrogant challenge here, real quick Sure go for it. 

01:04:31
Might as well. So while we're on the trivialization of money, I, um, you're one of your old guests. I think either um harood or like drew one of those guys. I think they had tweeted something like um to 100k is, like, not a very big bet. And second tweet is I think one of them tweeted they, they play tennis. Um, as a tennis player, like, I just want to put it out here. Like, let's play a match. Ten thousand dollars it's 100k is not a big bet. Ten thousand should be irrelevant to you guys. I'll play whichever one of you is better, um or me and a friend can play. You guys in dubs like let's do this. You know 10k not a lot of money right um circles off tennis match. 

01:05:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they'll be I'm sure they'll be listening. 

01:05:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We'll, uh, we'll have to let them respond. I won't be able to respond on behalf. I mean, there's a lot of. 

01:05:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm missing some people within the Hammer Network because I don't remember off. I know Alex Moreto used to play competitive tennis as well. We could probably put together like a tennis bracket. 

01:05:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Not a big tennis guy myself, neither, neither am I, neither am I. 

01:05:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But okay, you know what? I'm going to actually you know what let's we're gonna I'm gonna actually work on that on the side, for what a tennis match. Tennis match it's got to be. Drew right, drew was a tennis player, I think. Um, I'm not sure we'll have to let them respond. Yeah, I. The only reason why is I saw harut play um table shuffleboard before. The coordination was not uh was not there to be a good tennis player. 

01:05:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's doing you dirty. 

01:05:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, this last one. This, I believe, is in reference to an episode we did with Barry Horse. When Johnny from BetStomp tells you you're being optimistic to the point of foolishness about Bitcoin, it's like a guy who drinks a six-pack every day telling you you're an alcoholic. 

01:06:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I honestly don't really understand this one that much. So he's basically saying go ahead so I think so. 

01:06:21 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah, this this is in reference to barry horse, I think he. He said like you know, I every dollar I earn goes straight into bitcoin. 100 of my net worth is in bitcoin. Buying bitcoin is like buying manhattan back in 1600 for like a bag of beads and shotgun shells or whatever. 

01:06:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um you did say something along those lines and I think, yeah, bag of beads and shotgun shells or whatever. 

01:06:41 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
You did say something along those lines and I think, yeah, all of those, and I think so, I think you guys are also like on the more optimistic side of crypto if I'm not mistaken right. 

01:06:51
Yeah, more optimistic than pessimistic, yeah, I mean like I own crypto too, like I would be very happy if crypto goes to whatever million bucks, bitcoin goes to million bucks, bitcoin goes to a million bucks. But I think yeah, I just thought when someone who's like you guys, who's already optimistic about Bitcoin, is pushing back on you, you're probably at a point of being a bit unreasonable here. 

01:07:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I didn't know I was. I don't consider myself a Bitcoin guy. That's why I don't really understand this, this tweet, that, much like I'm not a big Well, I mean, I'm not a big supporter of that stuff You've done episodes about, like crypto and if cheese I haven't. 

01:07:26 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I kind of lumped. Maybe I'm lumping them together, but I feel like you are much more. 

01:07:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm not saying I don't like it's fun, it's fun to talk about it Like I like to learn about it. But I've never been like a guy who's like oh, you got to dump all your money in Bitcoin, like I don't think I've ever said anything like that. That's why I'm saying I don't really get it if it's. 

01:07:48 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
But I guess. 

01:07:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm more of a Bitcoin guy than a guy that doesn't. 

01:07:51 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean I guess. Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was funny. I was kind of amused at the idea that someone is that all in on any one thing. 

01:08:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We still get questions on that. 

01:08:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We do. We still get comments on that. I have a friendship with Barry Horse. I think he's a good guy. He does some of the NFL watch-alongs with me on Forward Progress. But in hindsight in that conversation I wish I did push back a little bit more, because this guy has to own some us dollars. There's no way he can get away in life. You can't have a hundred percent of your net worth in bitcoin. He's taking pictures on the golf course and how does he go out for? How does he go for? Like a steak dinner? I I actually don't know. Was he just like a qr code so someone can scan bitcoin? Like he's gotta have some us dollars? Like we gotta call bs on the 100 percent. Maybe it's like 98, something like that, but he has to have some usd you make valid points. 

01:08:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We certainly should have asked him about this on the pot. 

01:08:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We didn't, we didn't push back twice and I haven't asked him about this, the third time I'm gonna have ask how do you live your day-to-day life? You have to actually have some fiat currency to live your day-to-day life at this point. 

01:09:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You don't need the physical cash per se. You can certainly live your life without any physical cash in today's day, sure, but you make a good point. How does he buy a plane ticket to travel? Are, but how does he fly? How does he like buy a plane ticket to travel? 

01:09:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Are there any airlines taking BTC nowadays? I don't think so. 

01:09:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think so either. I don't think so. It's a good question. We'll have to ask him. I'll shoot him a message right now. 

01:09:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Frank, before we get into our final questions here, a very random question, because you went with the moniker of gambling Frank Costanza, who happens to be one of my favorite uh sitcom characters of all time. Out of curiosity, what is your personal favorite frank costanza moment? 

01:09:45 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
yeah, so he's. He's one of my favorite characters of all time too. Um, so I'll do a quick like one or two. Um, so one was my bio for a long time, like I got a lot of problems with you people and now you're gonna hear about it. 

01:09:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um love that one festivus episode yeah festivus. 

01:10:01 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Then there's the one where, like, steinbrenner comes to visit him and he's like, oh, that dude hit like 50 home runs last year. Like why the hell did you trade george? George is dead, your son is dead. And he's like, well, why the hell did you trade this guy who hit like 50 home runs last year? Uh yes, I think those two. What is yours um? 

01:10:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I? I have a few. I think my favorite is when frank first gets to meet susan's parents and he's sitting at the table and he's like you got the hen, you got the chicken and you got the rooster. The rooster goes with the chicken. So who's having sex with the hen? Yep, and George is like well, we'll talk about it another time. He's like you see my point here. You only hear of the hen, the rooster and the chicken. Something's missing, something's missing. 

01:10:49
all right, Susan's mom says something's missing, all right, oh yeah, they're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them. That's perverse. It's perverse. That's my favorite, frank Costanza moment. 

01:11:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is that your big Seinfeld guy? Yeah, huge. I've watched the entire series three times. 

01:11:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Do you have a Frank Costanza moment that you enjoy? Zach, I'm putting you on the spot here. 

01:11:13 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I think my favorite is the Serenity Now when they're selling stuff in their garage. 

01:11:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Lloyd Braun. 

01:11:20 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, and then the other one is just like. It's not really because of anything crazy, but it's the confusion of the man with the cape Laird David, on the street. Yes, yeah, I think those are my two. 

01:11:31 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Actually bonus. There's the phone call where he's like he calls Jerry's dad and he's like uh, you think you can keep me out of florida like I'm moving and I dare you to keep me out? Yeah, those I'm a big fan. 

01:11:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Rest in peace, jerry stiller. But he could not say del boca vista, no matter how hard he tried. They had to. There's like a million outtakes of him trying to say that. But uh, yes, good moments. I'm a big frank. It's frankestanza fan, great, alias. Uh, we'll end it here with our final questions. Uh, we do plus ev and minus ev on the show every single week doesn't have to be related to sports betting. It can be if you want. It's totally up to you. But give us your plus ev and minus ev moves of the week okay, um, plus okay. 

01:12:16 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
So I'll do one sports one night, I think, plus plus tv sports, um, but bet some celtics futures. We don't, we don't give up. I don't, don't give out too many picks here, but um, you gotta attach a price and a thing. Okay, you can't price all right over something over plus. I don't have screen here, but above, above, plus 300,. You should be good For what? To win the title? To win the chip? Okay, win the chip plus 300 or better. 

01:12:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, all right, we take that. 

01:12:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually like that. We're giving out pure straight bets here. 

01:12:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, we've given out a few picks. Outside of the Super Bowl shows, which give out only picks. We've been giving out a few picks well, outside of the super bowl shows, which give out only picks. We've been giving out a few picks randomly. 

01:13:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's nice to add this one to the collection and we'll still see how it does in a couple months I will play it and if it wins I'll put a. I won't cash it, I'll just put a slip up on the wall here okay, um minus tv move of the week negative, or you have another plus um, no, I'm pretty dumb. 

01:13:18 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Don't have any good advice, any more good advice to give out Minus CVA. I think this is pretty cliche, but I think, like this is something I've been thinking about a lot. It's just like you know, people say, like whatever comparison is like beef of joy. I just I think, with all social media, like you see so much of people's lives now very easy to just get hung up on comparing your whole life to the best parts of others' lives and it can just make you feel miserable if you don't do a good job managing it. So, yeah, that's my take. 

01:13:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've got a timely Plus TV move of the week that I got to share. If you're listening and made it through this whole episode um, anybody listening and tell this to any of your friends, family, kids, parents. Doesn't matter what you're doing, you could always, you can, you literally can do whatever you want. You can do anything. Don't listen to this absolute trash advice this kid just gave out earlier on the pod where he's like oh be realistic, fuck being realistic. Do whatever you want. You can literally do anything. You are the only one stopping you. I'm looking right into the camera. No one is stopping you, you are. You can do whatever you want. That's it. That's all I got to say. True, honest advice. Anything is possible, unless, of course, you stunt your own self. End of rant. Plus TV move of the week. 

01:14:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like it. Fair enough. 

01:14:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fair enough is an understatement. That is the best advice anyone will literally get. 

01:14:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have a very different life philosophy than you. 

01:14:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Which is what? 

01:14:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't think anyone could do what they want to. 

01:14:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Anyone can do anything, if they really do it. 

01:15:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Honestly, I think that's generally bad advice. 

01:15:04 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I mean, I'll just throw this out. This is Herodotus Circumstance defines men, men don't define circumstance. I don't think you can do whatever you want. If we're being honest, you are kind of this is I don't want to get into philosophy, but like you're constrained by reality, like I don't think you can do that. 

01:15:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We got into this conversation. I literally cannot be in this. I cannot be with this right now. It makes no sense. 

01:15:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's some people that can't do anything, that can't do everything. 

01:15:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They can't do it because they don't want to do it and because people like you tell them they can't do it. 

01:15:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, it's the complete opposite. There's so many counter stories where people are telling other people they can do anything they want, and it leads to people thinking that they can do stuff that is not attainable for them in life. 

01:15:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like what. 

01:15:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like anything, there's some people that have a certain intelligence quotient, athleticism whatever. I cannot be an NBA player, no matter how much I dribbled over the course of my entire life. 

01:16:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You could improve yourself to a level that is better than you are now. Anyone can do that. 

01:16:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Agreed, but you have to set realistic expectations. 

01:16:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So fair. If you're going to blow it out of proportion and say this like, yes, you cannot jump this high because no human has ever jumped that high. You can't fly because no human has ever flew, I'll accept those as answers. But to basically say like, oh no, like you got to be realistic, like you won't be able to earn, you have to work this job and be safe because you won't be able to out earn, this is something I'm super passionate about. If it's if other people can do it, then you can too. You're not the first person to have all these issues. You can do, you can do anything and listen. I might have to rescind a little bit and bring it back down to earth, like not stuff that's not humanly possible, obviously. 

01:16:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But if somebody, if people around you are all doing it, then you can too okay, can and should we can, we, we can, we can end this now, fair enough. 

01:17:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Can and should is a different story you can do better than you are doing right now, if you really, if you really want I like listen, I don't. 

01:17:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like the optimistic outlook. I seriously do. 

01:17:19 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
I think generally speaking, it's a good message, but it's not applicable for everyone you need to, I'll just say you need to blend right, Like you got to have a bit of both. 

01:17:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes. 

01:17:28 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah. 

01:17:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like some people's brains are wired differently. Like some people look at numbers and they literally cannot do simple math or they don't process numbers. 

01:17:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They're not working on it. 

01:17:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, but like there's, literally there's people who associate numbers with colors. Like just by the way that their brain works, that person can never actually be an accountant, no matter how hard they try in life. 

01:17:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They can improve in that thing. You could literally be weak and then you go to the gym. All right, you could be the weak, and then you go to the gym. All right, you could be the weakest guy. You go to the gym, or you don't even go to the gym, you start exercising and it's a, it's a slow buildup. Yes, that's, it's a science, it's proven, that's a goal, that's attainable for everyone. 

01:18:08
You, you, you build it up slowly and you do it. Okay, you're really really, really bad at math. Okay, yes, there's probably that really really low percentage that has a serious condition in which it probably is prohibiting them. But for the vast majority of people who say, nah, I'm not good at school, I'm not good at math, I'm not good at this, you're just saying that you are, you're not, you're just saying that you wouldn't be, you're not good at math. Okay, you might not be great at math right now. Go do a little bit of training and build it up like you would at the gym. Start small, build it up. It's conditioning, it's science. It works. 

01:18:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Fair enough. Final question If you could go back five years and talk to a previous version of yourself, what advice would you give to your former self? 

01:18:50 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Um, I think like I'm definitely kind of like creature, like of habit, and get kind of into my own kind of daily routines. Maybe I don't shake them up enough, I think. So, yeah, my advice to you five years from younger self, would be just like kind of get push yourself out of your comfort zone a little bit more. Try new things, like don't. Don't like resist change as much maybe. Yeah, I think that's probably kind of cliche. I do think, like you know, be more adventurous. Uh, take, try more new things. 

01:19:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Basically, yeah, I'm with you there, man. If the covid years taught me anything, I did a bunch of new things that I never would have previously done in life, and very much more open-minded to anything nowadays, so I think that's um pretty good piece of advice. His name is well his not real name, but his name that we're calling him. 

01:19:40 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, I think, just so everyone knows. Unlike your guy, big D, my friends didn't call me Frank Costanza because I'm a 70-year-old Jewish guy from Queens who gets mad at everybody. So yeah, not my real name. 

01:19:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was. Before I talked to you for the first time, I thought there was a very wide range on what you were going to be and and sound like. One of the two was was young guy. One of the two was like old army veteran type of guy, that's like edges kind of like eroded over time. I didn't really know what, what, what it was, but I knew there was going to be no in between and I knew and we had, we got the young guy. I didn't. I didn't really know what it was, but I knew there was going to be no. 

01:20:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
in between we got the young guy. I didn't really know either. It could have gone anywhere. 

01:20:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was not a middle-aged man. I could tell you that. I could tell you it wasn't a middle-aged man. You can follow him on Twitter at CostanzaBets2, and he might roast you even if you don't follow him on Twitter. Might happen, and he might roast you even if you don't follow him on Twitter. It might happen every now and then. It happened to me several times. But here we are hashing it out and we've come to the conclusion of this episode Wait, wait, wait. 

01:20:45 - Gambling Frank (costanzabets2) (Guest)
Am I always going to be the only guest you guys don't follow on Twitter. I mean not that I need more followers, but we don't. Do I have the honor of that? You know what? 

01:20:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I shot Chipper a follow after he came on. You're getting a follow right now. Thank you. 

01:21:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It means the world to me From Rob Pizzola. 

01:21:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're getting a follow right now. There it is. Button has been clicked. We'll shoot you a follow from Circles Off as well. Let's go. No, Zach says no, we're not doing that Cancel. 

01:21:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We kiboshed that. 

01:21:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He says that we follow 10 accounts, zach literally dropped the hammer. 

01:21:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No follow from the Circles Off account, but Rob's following us personal. I don't use Twitter, otherwise I'd ship you a follow as well, my man. Thank you for joining. Appreciate the great discussion. Really good back and forth. We'll see you on Twitter, sounds good. 

01:21:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
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