00:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Prop dude. He got us into a lot of trouble with a lot of accounts. That was definitely some negative press. But at the same time I think far surpassed that in positive Come on. 

00:11 - Prop Dude (Guest)
You think I'm going to come on here and put one of the obvious in the elite here. 

00:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'd vote for Rob with $25,000. I wouldn't vote for you. I can basically just cheat and get the same bets that they're getting. 

00:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's weird because you can also pay your bills at the same place where you bet, this guy talks a lot of trash. He's talked a lot of trash about me, rob, a lot of people in the community, but he's refusing to show his face. 

00:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Telling yourself as a pretty good NFL gambler, I thought you were an idiot. Take testing, testing. I'm a cuck. 

00:40 - Prop Dude (Guest)
One, two, three four Aussies going head to head with the Aussies. 

00:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what I grew up for, and I said get him Kirk, and they call me a mean-spirited name. I don't hang out with them. The Toronto Maple Leafs at 14-1 are staring me dead in the face. 

00:54 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I'm already getting a lot of early this could be the best Circles Off episode that's ever been done. 

01:02 - Zack Phillips (None)
Hey Circles Off listeners, we've got some exciting news. 

01:05
If you haven't heard yet, rob Johnny and myself are going to be doing our first ever in-person live show on August 7th at Circus Sports in Las Vegas, nevada, at this year's Bet Bash. 

01:16
We've been doing these plus EV minus EVs for a while, but over the last little bit we've been taking more notice about the fact that you guys have some strong opinions on the ones we put out. On top of that, we've seen your own submissions. We want you to be a part of this here show, so you can DM us on Twitter at CirclesOffHQ, you can email us at CirclesOff at TheHammerbet, or you can comment in the post on this YouTube episode right here right now, and if your plus ev minus ev gets picked and brought up during a live show, you will be automatically entered for a chance to win yes, some circles off swag. This is your chance to finally get involved, so make sure to do one of the three dm us on twitter, email us circles off at thehammerbet, or comment below on this YouTube video for your chance to have your own Plus EV Minus EV featured, as Rob Johnny and myself will read them and react to them live at Circus Sports in Las Vegas, nevada, at this year's Bet Bash. Enjoy the show. 

02:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Our guest this week goes by PropDude on Twitter. He was the first ever social media guy for bet stamp, real life friend of johnny and now specializes in prop betting. What a light, what a life story that is. You can follow him on twitter at prop dude seven. Prop dude joins us today on circles off my dude prop dude, what's up? 

02:46 - Prop Dude (Guest)
it's great to be on, guys. You know long, long, long time listener of the show. Episode 165 is an invite, a little bit late but, you know, excited to dive into some sports prognostication and honestly almost canceled the episode today. Did you guys see that the parlay bandits disbanded on Twitter? So wasn't shambles over that Measy down the drain. But hey, what can you do, I'm here now. 

03:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Hey, are you actually a listener from episode one? 

03:17 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Absolutely a listener from episode one. 

03:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah, you don't have to say that you don't work for BetStamp anymore. You can be real here. 

03:24 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Zach knows I'll let zach zach expand, expand a little bit on that uh, no, he's definitely listener since episode one you zach, you start on episode 60, bro. 

03:35 - Zack Phillips (None)
I know no no no wrong. And second of all, I've talked to. 

03:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've talked to him about this when did you you start Episode what? At least 37. Because 37 was Chernoff and it was our first one in studio, back in our old studio, and Zach was there for that. 

03:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Our original producer was me and Rob. Remote on our computers, on a Zoom thing, and then we'd send the audio to Jason takes by Jay and then he just did it on a contract basis and then we later hired him and who used? Who used to cut the clips? 

04:04 - Prop Dude (Guest)
me you way, way back in the day with like a free shitty platform yeah, yeah, I tried to use, like ai clip, cutting stuff too. 

04:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow, that's good times. 

04:14 - Zack Phillips (None)
I know that's how. I know that he did it because when I took over, he told me how he used that at the clips. 

04:19 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yes, and it was, it was complete shit. 

04:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But yeah thanks well, if you are a real og of the show, you'd know, back in the day we would ask you for a number 65 for episode 165. 

04:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You have one prepared. 

04:33 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yes, for sure, eric Carlson. Oh, that was mine bro, I have his jersey. 

04:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He scummed you. He scummed me. I really loved Eric Carlson when I was playing. He was obviously like this silky Swede defenseman, but I hated the Senators. So I actually bought an Eric Carlson team Sweden jersey and that was my go-to jersey for playing outdoor puck at the rink Outdoor and it would get the most compliments of all time. It was the yellow Sweden Carlson jersey. I still have it. I'm going to bring it in to the studio. That's a bson jersey. I still have it. I'm going to bring it in to the studio. That's a banger jersey. I had a yellow Sweden Peter. 

05:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Forsberg jersey. 

05:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Really. 

05:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Which, yeah, well, I think I've told this on the pod before. We'll get into Prop Dude's story in just one second here. A little bit of preamble. But when I was younger, when I was in college, there was a NHL, went on strike and a lot of these players went to play overseas. So I would be in like computer lab I'm supposed to be like learning python and like writing code and instead I'm just like researching the Swedish Elitsarian League and Peter Forsberg played for Moto, moto FC and I was Moto HC yeah, moto HC. I was a horrible better at the time and Moto always used to bail me out when I was having a bad week. So I got myself a Peter Forsberg. Actually, I got a Moto jersey, but I got a Sweden jersey. I don't know where that jersey is, it's really upsetting. 

05:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Now I'm going to bring in my Carlson one prop. Dude. Can you share with us your story of how you got started in sports betting and what initially attracted you to this field? And if I'm not mentioned in this, I'm going to be personally upset I think it'll be mentioned a little bit later on. 

06:10 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, so you know, growing up I was always into, uh, fantasy sports. From like grade two I remember playing fantasy football, fantasy baseball. That's why I kind of entered the player prop realm. But I feel like in high school that got a little bit boring to a certain extent and wanted more of a rush, so to speak. So, as the story goes, obviously, in high school you got a bunch of local accounts and I was handed a local account, lost quite a bit, quite a few bets on there to start off, and at that point it wasn't a significant amount of money, probably somewhere in like the mid four figure range, where I was like getting annoyed and I'm like, ok, this is not working, let me try to figure something out, right? 

06:58
So from there I reached out to some friends and I'm privileged to say that I had a great friend group, people older than me that were already into sports betting and they kind of taught me, taught me the ways and taught me how to look for value line, shop, closing line, value, simple things like that. Right, and from there I was still betting into this account, betting into this account. Also happy to say that I started a small betting group with these people for the first year or two, a little bit before Ontario regulation, just kind of bounding our PPHs together and seeing what lines we can steam chase, what we can get down and how we can make an earn, which was a lot of fun. But within these accounts I used to, I used to look for value in the futures market and some of my favorite bets are from back in the day, the ones that I actually remember. I played Lamar Jackson MVP at 50 to one in his MVP year for 10 bucks. That's probably my favorite bet of all time. 

08:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
In a PPH account. 

08:04 - Prop Dude (Guest)
In a PPH account Wow. 

08:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, huge minus EV move that ended up plus EV. 

08:09 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Wow, I mean 10 bucks to win 500,. Come on, yeah, true, that's not that crazy, right, yeah so, yeah, so I hit that, and then I also hit Freddie Freeman Wait, do you realize how bad those odds probably were. 

08:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, yeah, on that bet like the plus 5,000. You realize it probably should have been way higher. If you really Can, I say the skin. Yeah, for sure, I don't see why not. 

08:33 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So yeah, it was a Buckeye account and I think like the odds for the MVP on there are probably ass Even worse today. I mean their anytime touchdown markets for NFL, if you look into those, are complete trash, but anyways. So I hit those two MVP bets it was Lamar Jackson and Freddie Freeman for the Braves and what I would do is I would just compare to players around their pricing which probably didn't make sense within that account. But my thought was okay, this guy probably has more potential than this guy listed next to him. And again, those are some of my favorite bets that I ever made were those MVP bets. 

09:13
Then, within that account as well, I was once again into fantasy football so I kind of knew the wide receiver rotations of the team and the software on there for the live software. 

09:23
I'm not sure if this still exists today I don't really bet it anymore but it would sometimes miscalculate the wide receiver rotations or not have them up to date. So it was pretty easy to pick off a receiver that would come on the field when another receiver was off. And I'll never forget back in the day back in high school I put 20 bucks on a 33 to 1 Equinamia St Brown, next touchdown for the Packers. I think he was probably rotating with like Jeff Janis, I'm not even sure but uh, he caught it and he caught the touchdown and the software graded it as a loss and I was in complete shambles because of that. But um, I think I probably had a red figure at the time. So my agent probably did me a solid and, just you know, took it off. But but yeah, so that's how I kind of got into the player prop space was from, from looking at these markets within this PPH account. 

10:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So nowadays, I mean, your handle is prop dude, are you? Are you mainly focused still on the same stuff, which is, uh, props and and is it also mainly steam chasing slash top down? 

10:29 - Prop Dude (Guest)
yeah. So right now I'm betting a lot of nfl and nba player props, so busy season obviously would be september onwards. Currently I'm I'm doing some mob player props and game props but honestly, the summers in Toronto are short and I'm trying to enjoy the weather as much as I can, stay off screen as much as I can during this time. Even even in some of my accounts right now I'm getting down for other people that I trust and I know when. So that has been pretty fun overall and pretty successful, just obviously not to keep them dormant right and keep, keep churning money, money. 

11:04
But um, a couple years ago I was. I was originating um nfl props and um I was. I was tracking my bets um on bet stamp and on a google sheet and what I was noticing was a I wasn't getting enough volume and b overs were hitting at like a one to two percent% ROI and the unders were like close to double digit ROI. So my banker at the time allowed me to bet a little bit earlier in the week and basically just focus strictly on unders for player props and that was a good earn for a solid amount of time. A solid amount of time. 

11:50
From there, I posted a tweet a while back just about, you know, just about being not being a sharp sports better if you, if you chase team in a PPH or whatever, and somebody responded saying right, it just makes you the most amount of money. And from from then on I kind of thought to myself well, I'm in this market of Ontario and obviously I have a ton of outs available to me and a ton of great partners as well. I would be dumb not to leverage all these books and also leverage the tools available to me. So I began using BetStamp Pro to look for the best price on the plays that I wanted to bet myself and also do some top-down stuff. And this is not an ad at all. I don't care about the success of the product, sorry guys, but it was getting me. 

12:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What an ad. This is a friend of yours. Johnny Doesn't care about the success of the product. I'll let him finish, though. 

12:43 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, care about the success of the product. I'll let him finish though. Yeah, so you know, for for NBA and um and NFL, during that time of year it was like it was a grind, obviously, but it was 80 to a hundred plays per day. You know an ROI of close to 10%. You know in in in near the double digit range and really has been been a good earn for me. And of course there's the downsides that come with that. But really just maximizing my Ontario accounts while I can over the next couple of years is what I want to do in the prop space. 

13:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So this is to be clear. This is the BetStamp Pro product you're talking about. 

13:20 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, it's been really really solid for nfl and nba overall we'll have more on that in mid august. 

13:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
People want to get mid august, yeah, mid august they'll hear more about that. Okay, so you know, the majority of your betting is is top down. Uh, I'd like to to actually, you know, get some advice from here. Uh, we'll be at bet bash next week. Um, every year you'll be there as well. Okay, you're going to get these questions as well. So maybe I'll ask it to you now and hopefully you don't get asked it there. But there's a speed networking event at Bet Bash which I take part in pretty regularly. Last year the common theme was a lot of newer top-down bettors who were having a lot of success, and I would get asked you know, rob, I'm doing really well betting top-down, but I'm finding it very hard to scale past my current earn. What can I do differently? How would you respond to someone who asks you that question? 

14:18 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, I think it's a fair question and something that many people are struggling with in the space right now. I will say it depends where you're located right and I'm blessed to be in Ontario where there's access to so many sports books and obviously have great partners as well. That helped me get down. But for the most part, you have two options right. You can either grow sideways or grow upwards, and growing upwards takes some creativity, which I've started to branch into myself recently, which has been a lot of fun hypothesis testing. In a sense, growing upwards includes looking into markets that certain sports books are pricing that other ones aren't Right. So can I mention specific sports books or no? 

15:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Absolutely. 

15:04 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah. 

15:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay. So if it's pinnacle, yeah. If it's something else, I don't know yeah. 

15:09 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So there are recreational sports books like bet mgm, bet 365, that'll have markets that other books don't. There are mistakes in those markets. If you dedicate enough time to them and you know you can get down a meaningful amount on them, um, maybe by having some partners or or seizing an account, which I'll talk about in a bit as well, those are worth looking into. So, focusing on markets that are smaller and more niche, and also events that don't really happen that often, right? An example I'll give is the MLB All-Star game. So I had a good discussion with Isaac on Twitter about this yesterday game. So I had a good discussion with isaac on twitter about this yesterday and the. The fundamental, the fundamental, sorry, the pricing of the, of the mvp in that game, in my opinion, is is fundamentally mispriced. Um, the all-star game is a low total at at seven and a half, which means that the game is more likely to be tied in in the later innings. Meaning that there's more likely that a high leverage at bat will take place in the later innings. Meaning that it's more likely that that player will not be one of the starting players, right? So Paul Skeens, for example, was listed at 21 to win the award, otani. Otani was listed probably around like nine to one to win the award. These guys are never going to win. 

16:23
Otani hit a three, three run homer and he wasn't even close to winning. The player that's going to win is the player that comes in late in the game and, you know, has a high leverage at bat and does something special with it. So that was Jalen Durant. Right, he won at 50 to one. Unfortunately, I didn't bet him. I chose Santander because I thought he had better chance of a like a game breaking home run. So because I thought he had better chance of a game-breaking home run, so to speak. So these things really don't require much math, right? They just require having some domain knowledge, thinking in terms of probabilities and looking for an edge in some niche markets that aren't priced as often and traders don't really care to price correctly. 

17:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Hey, great point. I mean, mean, I looked at that too. There's pretty much no way paul skeens can win mvps. He's just going to pitch one inning. There's nothing he can do in that inning, that's going to win him the mvp I agree. 

17:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, listen, this is all, it's all hindsight. But, like, if you apply logic to sports betting, sometimes it just makes so much sense and you can uncover stuff like that. Wish there was more of those that you could do in these one-off events. But certainly in the one-off events I mean, johnny was the self-proclaimed home run derby king for many years, if you recall as well just, I mean these little edges with the rules until, uh, the pitching coach didn't respect the rules. 

17:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you, yeah yeah, an interesting one. I've had uh many of those stories with uh, with all these similar events. But yeah, I agree with you completely, there's a lot, especially for newer sports bettors. People always ask us like, well, does it matter if you actually watch the games, and stuff like that. And these are simple explanations as to why following the sport will actually give you an edge in a lot of certain things. 

17:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you mentioned a prop dude. You mentioned seasoning the accounts, which, by the way, I actually really liked. That terminology I've I personally have never heard it before. Usually I would call it account priming. I think we're talking about the same thing. Um, what did you? You said you wanted, you wanted to touch on that a little bit. What specifically? 

18:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
a little bit of marinating, if you know marinating those accounts? 

18:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah. 

18:20 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I think. I think what's worked for me is me is um is betting. It's low season right now, so really just focusing on the home teams in your state, um, in ontario there's so many else that you can really get a low synthetic hold on these. So if your bankroll is not at a point where you can afford to whatever donk away thousands of dollars to season an account, there is an exchange available, like stx or pinn, which are low hold sports books, that maybe you take a couple cent loss. But let's say you bet Toronto Blue Jays money line five times into an account, a thousand bucks each. You go down, you end up having to redeposit. That's perfect. That's exactly what you want to be doing, right. You want to be redepositing, you want to look like a bit of a degenerate right and maybe at another book you're betting the other side and you're taking a little bit of a loss on that. For bettors with a bigger bankroll it's probably worth it to do that to be able to get down more on the account later on and even within the account itself. Obviously. 

19:22
I think parlays and same game parlays are really the new wave for for sports bettors. I know Trenhill mentioned that as well. But I would also give advice to to top down bettors to to really broaden their reach in terms of same game parlays and, again, not really having to do much math, but just thinking of individual player variants and applying that in a logical sense and then pricing that out at a bunch of different sports books. Um, you know, in the nba, we know that kevin durant's going to play 42 minutes per game in the playoffs. Jonas valanciunas may only play eight minutes in the playoffs, may get into foul trouble. The coach may take him out. You can take advantage of that to a certain extent. 

20:10
So that's just focusing on areas of creativity in terms of getting down and doing some origination. Even if you wanted to just track these parlays and see how they do without betting them, if your bankroll is smaller, you could do so and then, once you figure out that they're crushing, bet them hard and make yourself a good earn right. So that's that's the first point of for top down bettors in terms of growing. The second point is obviously widening yourself, right, which is just really about being a good person and a people person and being able to work with others, broadening your reach and taking a chance on certain people you know, taking a chance on a smaller originator or a new account. Betbash is obviously a good place to do that and meet new people, but those are really the two avenues that you could take. 

21:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right, I want to go back to the roots of me knowing you, which was through Betstamp. I actually didn't know in the early going that you and Johnny were friends, but you weren't around the office a whole lot in the beginning. What's the origin story there? Did you reach out to him, did he reach out to you, and what was that experience like? Managing the social media presence for Betstamp. 

21:24 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll dive into it honestly. A very, very fun story. Um, so I was, uh, just, I think, graduating my undergrad, moving into my, my master's degree, and johnny gave me a call and he's like hey, you want to help me with this project that I'm working on? Um, it's called bet stamp. It's going to be all about sports betting, and I was like, yeah, sure, sounds great. I mean, I was into sports betting at the time. Was I the sharpest, better in the world? Obviously not. Was I, you know, starting to grow in the space and learn a little bit more? Yeah, and I feel like it was. It was a good opportunity to me me for me to learn from Johnny and Julian and really get, get more to the space, let's say so. I started off. The office at the time was like a basement apartment that Johnny and Julian were working out of, and it was like me. 

22:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I remember that clearly. I think we played more basketball across the street than we did actual work in the basement. 

22:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, until they put up, uh, wood boards over the net. During covid, because people are having too much, they literally wasted city resources to put a wooden plank over the top of the basket because they took the mesh, the mesh off and we'd still play. That's a true story yeah, so funny. 

22:41 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So so, yeah, so I I started working there. 

22:44
I was literally doing like the dumbest shit no offense, but, like you know, I was uploading logos onto the app, just helping out with little things where I could and also started running the Twitter page. 

22:53
So the Twitter page was something that I took pride in, because I grew it from basically zero followers to like five figure amount and really did that just by, you know, sticking to best dance values, right, um, which were transparency, tracking your bets, you know, being honest with your audience and and we can go into the struggles about that as well but rob and johnny know that we were reaching out to, to twitter cappers to track on Betstamp, of course, you know, to build up a following, maybe sell their picks, grow an audience, and most of them were saying no or not answering, and that's because, well, most of them lose and they know that they're not going to gain anything from this. They'll only lose from it. The few that did end up tracking, um, you know, would ask to have plays deleted or or mess with their bet sizing to make it look like they're winning, and obviously we, we didn't stand for that shit. So so, yeah, that was. 

23:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That was a little bit uh of the intro to best stamp yeah, I, I remember those days very clearly of the dms that used to come in. We kind of like shared dms, and it was always like, hey, uh, you know, it accidentally placed this bed four times, which which did happen sometimes, but it was always someone like reporting it after the fact, right, really trying to. There was so much shit we had to deal with of people who were trying. I mean all those ended up being though use cases for us and like how to make the app more solid. 

24:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's like what were the workarounds, and we had to figure that the best one we used to get was like, hey, because they'd start tracking, they'd put in, like you know, 30, 40, 50 plays be down money. And they'd be like, oh, like this is, I can't use this anymore unless you reset my profile. Like, what are you talking about? Like you place these all in and they're like, well, yeah, but like here's my my 2019 record. Yeah, and look and can you like, can we backdate this and upload this in? And we just always said, no, we can't, we can't upload, like backdate picks. This is for, like this point on, start building it and if you're good, you'll get a following and, by the way, a lot of people who were good got a following and actually made it oh yeah, that was, that was a, that was an edge. 

25:08 - Prop Dude (Guest)
You know, back in the day was following these guys on on bed stamp and turning the notifications on and getting down on their picks, especially for people with smaller bankrolls like telemachus and john fendler and stuff. They really sharp guys that posted on the app and now are doing great in the space, right. 

25:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So wow, this guy forgot his roots. What do you mean? Edge back in the day? 

25:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah, still exists now, brother I got I personally still gotta keep looking for a handful of people I gotta do some searching then yeah, this guy got too big time. 

25:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yes, no okay. 

25:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So, obviously, when you're running things and you're posting stuff on Twitter that upholds the brand values of Betstamp, a lot of this stuff is foreign to other people. Right, like, even even in 2020, if you're posting about line shopping, as dumb as it sounds like, this is a concept that a lot of people aren't getting. So I mean, did it take time to pick up traction? Was there frustration on your end? Did you have to come up with, like, unique ways to reach the audience? How did that go? 

26:11 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean I was whatever early twenties at the time, right, and I'm also learning, so learning from Johnny and other guys just about how to do things correctly and actually make money in the space. And really what bothered me during the time was seeing other you know, college kids my age being misled by scammers essentially right. So what I was doing through the account was trying to engage with these audiences and teach them the correct way. And you know I may have tweeted some stupid shit that you know Sharp better disagreed with, but that was me learning too. I was just a kid learning, learning and I still am right. But from there, yeah. So I was trying to reach out to people, teach them the correct way, and the response was usually very standoffish or they didn't really care them the correct way and and the response was usually very standoffish or they didn't really care. So what, what it really came down to was answering more direct messages and and teaching people that way. 

27:13
Um, I will say I did meet a bunch of people through the dms there that appreciated what I was doing, and I do have a couple partnerships from from the bet, the Betstamp DMs. One of my main partners is a college baseball better that I helped get down for in in the Ontario outs and he, he absolutely crushes it. I'm happy, happy to be his friend and his partner. But we met through through the Betstamp account, so that was a relationship that I fostered through there, also just learning via tweeting. Right, if I tweeted something stupid, a sharp account would hit back at me. If, whatever I tweeted something smart, a bunch of people would interact with it in a positive light, right Then. Yeah, so that was the Bed from the account as well. Looking back, do you have? 

28:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
any regrets on like some of the interactions, I will say like it was very mixed, right. You people would dm me, bet, stamp stuff, stuff that you tweeted all the time, and they'd be like this shit is absolutely hilarious, like do do more of this and then I would have people who would tweet at me and be like what the hell is the social guy doing? Like you got to run this like a business, so it was very mixed, but looking back on it now, would you change anything? 

28:35 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So I don't really have any regrets with how I ran the account. Um, I will say I'm I'm not not happy with getting Rob into trouble with Yanni when they had their little beef. 

28:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, that was you that started that? Yeah, of course it was. Listen my memory's toast. It's shot completely. I don't remember how that started. We did a full episode on that beef. 

29:02 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yep. 

29:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Prop dude almost called it by your name. Uh, prop dude. He got us into a lot of trouble with a lot of accounts. That was definitely some negative press. But at the same time, I think, far surpassed that in in positive. And you know what's overrated is running a a social account like a business, because you know what nobody likes a social account like a business. Because you know what Nobody likes a social account that just tweets out the highlights like a business. Yeah. 

29:30 - Prop Dude (Guest)
And we tried that too, right, johnny? We tried whatever and it was just like same run of the mill, same run of the mill bullshit. You know we want it to be different and stick out and stick to our brand values and you know it got us into some trouble sometimes but overall I think it was pretty they would. 

29:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Their followings would be bigger than ours and they'd call back to us and it's it'd make it seem like we were out to lunch, but in reality it's, it would be so clear and it's like, are these? Guys serious scamming people doing this and he's he has backers well, that's one of the inherent challenges in the space right. 

30:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Is that we, we like this. This is a sharp betting podcast for the most part yeah, you know, most most of the guests we've ever had when I'm on it at least. But it's a sharp betting podcast and, like the sharp betting community understands that when you're calling someone out who's a you know scammer that they're a scammer, but the vast majority of people do not, and you constantly face this uphill battle like I'm sure you probably were really frustrated at point oh yeah, it's like how do people not understand this? 

30:38 - Prop Dude (Guest)
for sure. Yeah, and it was. It was kids my age too like being scammed by these people. So at a certain point, I was just like, okay, I'm gonna stop, stop doing this. And eventually, when I, when I left bed stamp and and ran my own twitter right, which was basically to connect with people and still stay involved in the space, I really just thought to myself okay, I'm not gonna keep tweeting this educational stuff because, at the end of the day, I'm competing against these people as well. Right, so do I really want to give out this information for free? And they're not even taking it? Well, mean, it's just a waste of my time. Now, nowadays, if somebody does DM me and ask for some advice, I'm more than happy to like take a call or speak to them in the DMs and help them out, but for the most part, it's fuck them. Kids nowadays, you know just like let them lose. Eventually they'll figure it out. I mean, there's really nothing you can do to help them. 

31:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't view it in the exact same way At some. I mean, what's the famous adage Like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink? It's kind of like that right, at some point you can lead a person in the right direction, but they have to make their own decisions and unfortunately it's really sad, but so many will just learn the hard way. 

32:01 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Like, yeah, and I was just screaming into the abyss for so long that just it just became tiring on my own account Didn't really continue that stuff. But if you do DM me and you need advice as a young better or someone trying to grow their bankroll, more than happy to take a phone call with anybody. 

32:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So yeah, you know it's crazy, one of, like I'd say, my proudest accomplishments, but really all of us here including you, prop dude is we actually definitely yelled a lot into the abyss, even on this podcast when it was coming, when we were first starting. 

32:29
But just look at the amount of people now that actually listen to the show and comment and send in questions and do things starting. But just look at the amount of people now that actually listen to the show and comment and send in questions and do things. And sure did have millions of people stumbled across us and said what, what the fuck are these guys talking about? Yeah, but to get you know, even just 500 people who, uh and I I noticed it really during when we we did the opening round for the bets and pro player props to which we were discussing earlier, and the amount of people I was able to just talk to from the podcast we reached out and when I talked to them they were like, oh man, I used to be losing money like crazy. I randomly discovered your podcast through this and this and this and then now I win money. So we actually sure we did build something that's actually good, even though, yes, we spoke a lot to people who certainly are never going to learn. 

33:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean it can be frustrating. 

33:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like yeah, one, you get one person to learn the word of 100. 

33:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's like now on the team, that feels good well, the original, the original bet stamp office that prop dude is referring to. I remember, like the first week I spent there and this is not an exaggeration I spent probably three full days going back and inputting two years of bets from spread investors twitter profile and emails that were forwarded to me just so I could call him out as a losing better. 

33:49
And then I I remember that actually, and then I never even ended up posting it because my thought was like this guy won and then Rob, no, no no, he definitely lost. 

33:58
So he lost. But there was like very obvious tactics that you could see, which I was going to call out. This was before Twitter threads existed, but I was going to call out which was. You know, whenever he got down a significant amount of units over a period of time, he would just start to increase his units. So he had like horrible college basketball season, and then March Madness would come around and he'd be start sending out four or five unit plays instead of one or two unit plays. This is like a classic way, but I, you know, I never even got around to make. That profile probably still exists in the system, by the way, for sure. Let me, let me pull that up right now. I just don't know what account I would have would have started that under spread investor. 

34:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You put it under, did I? Well, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take a look shortly. 

34:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But, but. My thought was this guy has double the amount of followers that I have on Twitter. If I engage with this now and post it out there, I'm actually going to draw more visibility to this guy from a bunch of people who are now good, and, on top of that, I'm just going to get railroaded by people who follow him that are going to call me an idiot and be like well, where are your plays then, rob? If you know, if you're going to call this guy out, so like you're such a big dog, rob, yeah, yeah but. 

35:08
But that was I'm not exaggerating like the first three days because, julian, you know the cto was like get acclimated with the back end and how all this stuff works. 

35:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll do that by just tracking one guy and going through um the amount is yeah, we used to do that for a bunch of guys, right with everyone, man, everyone when we first started the app, we we didn't even uh like, rob didn't even work for with bet stamp yet he didn't even work with us yet. He was just on twitter. He's just a guy that I knew personally and we literally put a page open for media picks and we tracked all of rufus's picks he was giving out from bet the process. He was giving out that was me picks. You tracked them all from bet the process and rufus was losing and everyone, and then everyone started calling out rufus and then he had to engage with us, which got us like a shit ton of followers. He got so rattled and he had to say it on the podcast like oh, whatever, yeah, sometimes he's pigs and then he stopped giving out picks yeah we, and then he, and then he ended up uh, he ended up selling picks again after that. 

36:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But hey, that's another story for another day selling projections, projections, selling projections some, some people draw a uh, you know, a line between selling picks and selling projections. What are your thoughts, prop dude, on selling picks? 

36:21 - Prop Dude (Guest)
um, so I used to think of it as whatever, but you know, not really a negative or a positive, but honestly I've kind of switched to it being more of a negative in the space today, just because overall, the overall betting landscape for for recreationals and sharp bettors is probably a negative overall. Now there are very, very few tout services that win. Obviously, right, there's 99 of them are going to lose. You're going to find a couple good ones that actually do win, move the line and so on and so forth, right? The thing with these tout services is always the same arguments, right? Well, where am I going to get down on these? I got to be on the computer at the time that these are being released. 

37:04
It's basically like another part-time job, right? So if you're not a professional sports better or doing this full-time, it's tough to dedicate, you know, a 10 minute block every day to four different release times. You know, 9 am, 11 am, 1 pm, 5, 5 eastern. It's basically a part-time job for somebody, right? So if you're on your computer, obviously it's not too tough, but it's a different scenario for everybody and overall that that could be a hassle again, getting down to different accounts and obviously having to replenish outs all the time because these players are going to get closing line value if they do win and and yeah, I just think overall, just seeing the amount of bullshit that was like that we had to deal with in the best damn days with trying to get people to post their plays, just left a bad taste in my mouth and from then onwards I was like, yeah, this industry, it's just a negative overall. 

37:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So is it because there's a lot of bad apples? So let me give you a hypothetical. 

38:00 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah. 

38:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can, if I guarantee that you would make double the amount of money that you're currently making from betting by selling your own picks. Would you consider doing that? 

38:23 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I would not. No, the reasoning why I would not is because I overall feel like I'm more anxious than the general population and even if I give a friend out sorry, a bet out to a friend that's like, let's say, a minus 200 favorite, and ends up losing, I feel worse losing them their 100 or 50 bucks than I do losing my own money on that bet. Like it's it's, it's tough to give up best that lose. And if I had a subscriber base of whatever 50 to 100 people and we went through a rough stretch, a rough month, a rough couple weeks like it would, it would weigh on me right. So no, I I don't think. I don't think me earning more money would be worth the mental stress that it would cause me. Um, overall, you got. 

39:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's why you got to sell projections, that's it self-rejections and yeah so you're gonna sell projections honestly it is. 

39:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is quite different, though I I we can have this like it's you're just putting your numbers out there and then you're allowing someone else to decide what they want to do with them. Whether they want to use it as like another set of numbers, as an like a easier way to help them steam chase, stuff like that. 

39:26 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Rob's going to be posting his hockey numbers soon, is what I'm hearing. 

39:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, once, I've always said once Rob once Rob loses his edge, he'll be posting his hockey numbers. And he's still fucking going, man. So you must be doing okay. 

39:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If I did. 

39:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He must be doing well. 

39:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If I had, lost my edge and started posting hockey numbers. I would tell people that I lost my edge? 

39:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, you actually would, Because he does that on pizza buffet, people would still bet them. 

39:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
People would still buy them and still bet them. 

39:52 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah. 

39:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I could them, buy them and still bet them? Yeah, I would. 

39:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I could literally tell people, but I do I do this every day with the nfl on sunday morning. Like do not bet this stuff. You know I'm doing this show like we run a content company. I got to do sunday morning and people want this stuff. They will bet it anyways, man, they will, whether it's a good day or a bad day. I get dms at the end of the night and I get dms on plays that I never even said on the show. They're like oh, like thanks for thanks for the rams pick or whatever. Great job. I'm like I I didn't take the rams. They're like I could tell by the way you're breaking down the game that you rams it's. 

40:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's messed up for those people. By the way it is, it's still plus ev to listen. You're showing tale of picks because there's an aspect of like you're, they're betting anyways. So if they don't bet your picks, they're just dart throwing on the board anyways. So they might as well just pick the things you say as like a complete lean and then that way at the end of the night they're not going to feel bad about losing, or, and if they win they're going to feel good, if they lose they're not. They're going to be able to deflect it. 

40:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's actually still plus ev to tail another guy's picks versus dart throw well I, I personally find value in listening to other sharp bettors, even if I'm not going to tail the picks, because oftentimes they might just say something. I mentioned this before. Right, like I, I've known rufus for many years. Um, I don't bet any of the stuff I never bet. The public bets. He was giving out on bet the process or anything like that. But listening to him talk, he might just give away something that you didn't realize or know about and it's probably the same thing. There's probably a lot of people that don't have. 

41:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We do that here. 

41:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, people say that about us sure, sure, but there's probably a lot of people who have, candidly, a pretty shitty process for betting the nfl. They have no idea how a market works, how, how, how the size bet sizes increase over the course of the week, market becomes more efficient. Uh, what? Some of these metrics are epa, success rate, dvoa, whatever. There's a lot of people that can would just tune in and get a lot of value out of that, and not necessarily for sure. 

41:58 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, rob, I just wanted to say, like we talked about touting before, and you know it costs money to to pay somebody for somebody's picks. But you know you, for example, do the the sunday morning show um. You do a lot of player level stuff, even even the sunday night show, um for for the next week, right there's. Usually those picks do get closing line value. So if your bankroll is is a little bit smaller and you want to bet those into the market, I mean nobody's stopping you right from listening to that show for for free and and getting some closing line value on nfl picks. 

42:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So yeah, um, as someone yourself who was evaluating the credibility of doubt services for many years, what advice would you give to other betters when it comes to evaluating whether or not a betting service is credible? 

42:47 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, I think this is my favorite question, just because you know, going through so many shitty accounts, all the fucking nerfy algorithms, bullshit on Twitter, is just hilarious. But yeah, so I came up with a little list. Hopefully it helps some people out there. So, to start off, number one are they thinking probabilistically or are they posting prices with their picks? If they are not posting a price attached to their picks, 95 to 99% of the time they are not a winning bettor. I mean, if somebody's posting Mets, giants, nerfy with no price attached, is that even odds? Because I'm looking at my sports book and it's minus 140. So posting picks without a price attached is a telltale sign of a fraud, in my opinion. Without a price attached is a telltale sign of a fraud, in my opinion. Number two is are they tracking their bets against the sharp book and where are they tracking it? So just to break this down a little bit, betsnap is still a great platform to track your bets because it's third-party verified. 

43:47
You can use the Google Sheet as well, which I do for my personal betting along with a private BetSnap account. But, of course, be wary of those people, because they can they can delete plays from a google sheet. Also they can. They can doctor their bet stamp record, so make sure you look into the play history, but at least it's there for you to see right. Picket is another platform that people are using nowadays, which is fine, but also you can. You can basically mark any bet as as not not counting towards my your record. Like there are guys on there who just say, oh yeah, this bet was for my friend, and then it just the record's always green somehow even though I know for a fact that's like half the guys on there it's actually hilarious when you look at how bad their friends are at betting you know their friends, their friends 95% of their plays. 

44:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They never win anything. 

44:33 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Never. Yeah, it's hilarious, yeah, so look into the Pickett stuff as well. I mean, it's probably a solid platform, but just that really really turned me off a bit. Just because you can get rid of any play into the abyss. It's more for the recreational, better I feel like. 

44:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Hey, not to plug my own platform here, but with Pickett you can only sync your bets from the sports book directly, which is good and bad, but at the end of the day that there's only support for so many sports books on there. So if you're winning on pick it, then it's essentially a lot of people who are winning on like bet mgm, for example, which is significantly easier, as we know, than beating like market lines that are not steam chase lines when you're yeah, that was. 

45:13 - Prop Dude (Guest)
That was a part of my point yeah, okay. 

45:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
There you go. When you're posting on Betstamp, though it's pinnacle verified, it's just completely. It's a completely different thing to be pinnacle. 

45:24 - Prop Dude (Guest)
My next point here was against the sharp book, right. So if they're tracking their plays against BetMGM and Bet365, like, basically, anybody can win there, right? So you really want to look for somebody that is tracking against Pinnacle, betchris, betonline, circa, you know one of the sharper books, number three. Can they get down $15,000 at Fanatics and $20,000 at BetMGM? If they can, they're likely a fish, right. They're likely a losing bettor who is getting big limits at these sports books, the losing betters, right. It's kind of sad to say it, but that's just how the game goes, right. There are scenarios in which these accounts may have sharp bets going into them, but those are very, very few and far in between, I feel like. 

46:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And honestly, you'd have to be Fanatics. No way, bro Schipper did too good a job. 

46:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, there you go let's just say, though, that. Let's just say someone was was like bearding into those accounts. Right, there's absolutely no way that person would then be posting those bets publicly, like tell me how stupid you would have to be to now publicly be posting those it's 100, rob, yeah, yeah. 

46:34 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So if they can get down five figures at recreational sports books, they're not a winning bettor. Do not follow their plays. Number four do their releases cause line movement? When they release a play, is it sticking around the board all day or is it moving? When they release the play? If they release Ravens minus seven, is that moving to minus seven and a half? Is it staying at minus seven or is it moving to minus six and a half? If it's staying at minus seven, or minus six and a half if it moves to a worse price? You don't want to do the Simon Hunter and just keep betting it, right? 

47:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Imagine there was so many people that were subscribed to the service just to fade it that it really it releases and the number immediately gets better yeah, I guess that's possible, but but yeah, if they're, if they're not I would. I would cut you off there and say that that would be a valuable service well, if somebody's already releasing minus seven every time and it moves to minus six and a half on release. 

47:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It'd be very valuable to know that number seven, are they stuffing a duffel bag and are they stuffing 5k and duffel bags to give to their runners? 

47:42 - Prop Dude (Guest)
you skip two numbers, bro. Okay, um, okay, so that that's four. I feel like that that's a good summary. Uh, number five was kind of a funnier one. Um, are their twitter comments on or off? If their twitter comments are off, they're probably a fraud, and if they have me blocked, they're probably a fraud as well. So just keep those in mind for any recreational bettors out there. Really, do your due diligence on these people, because most of them are scammers and frauds. 

48:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I'll add one last one, which is the most telltale one of all. I know a lot of people in the space. I've been in the space for a long time and I know a lot of people who win money in this space. Ok, of the people that win money in the space, the percentage of those people that actually publicly post their plays is very close to zero, very, very close to zero. There's a select few that will post records and things like that occasionally, and even then it's starting to go away more and more like it's less and less popular. You know, you look, I do believe rufus at this current time wins occasionally. You'll see him post one of his bets like, hey, I place this bet, whatever, but you're never going to see his tracking list of all his bets that he placed last week and the week before and the week before that. 

48:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, so if somebody's even making that accessible, it is, it is highly likely that they're not winning I will say I I did do that, but it all it just actually showed that I had no idea how the market worked. Like I was winning bet. This is how I got found like the. The only reason I got found was because I posted bets to twitter that were winning, but I was such a um, like I inexperienced better that I actually had no idea that, like people were betting the plays and like I had zero clues. 

49:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I'm with you for the most part it doesn't happen yeah, and sometimes guys, guys do win and they post screenshots and like whatever, but they're not winning like legit money. They're not winning real money. They would, they would not be posting that. 

49:35 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So even guys, for sure, there's no, there's no point for for a professional better to post their pics on twitter exactly, absolutely, and you know what to be. 

49:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
To be honest, the only way that that I would ever post bets on twitter is if I was shilling something else. For example, like yo, here are all these crazy bet wins like buy my thing, in which case there's a chance that that actually works, and there are people doing that right now. But then you, you realize, like, is this person really earning serious money? Because their, their, their main priority is shilling you their thing. Yep, so are they really? 

50:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I. I have a different viewpoint on that personally, but I understand the point of view the money is green, some people can can bet and also do stuff on the side, and that it creates additional wealth for them or additional value. 

50:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But for the most part I would agree with you well, listen, we do sell stuff here, we do stuff like we sell. We sell the player prop, so but like I'm not going to post, you know, my own bets alongside that, sometimes. 

50:36 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Sometimes I'll post an interesting future or idea, not more like betting concepts, for example. Just like today, for example, I I kind of posted about the, the all star game, the all-star game thing. That I think is a pretty big edge and, um, you know, maybe shouldn't have posted it, but I feel like sportsbooks don't really care about the pricing of that event. I mean, it's one time per year, it's not that big of a deal. Hopefully it sparks another idea for somebody and they dm me and we can create a relationship right yeah, totally. 

51:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, you're ontario-based. Obviously, the legalization of sports betting in ontario has been a significant development here. Uh, curious, I've never talked to you about this. What are your thoughts on how sports betting was rolled out in Ontario? 

51:21 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I think overall it was, it was. It was done pretty well. I think that it provided a lot of opportunity for recreational bettors to increase their bankroll, obviously by by maximizing bonuses and stuff. Right, it also depends on what level better you're at, so that you can dive into that a little bit more. Um so, like on shipper's episode, he said that the real sharps would decline the bonus or use it suboptimally or something of the sort. So maybe if I had a bigger bankroll back in the day I would have done that with my own accounts and and use the bonus suboptimally or declined it. 

51:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But really fyi that that was legit. Only points bet that cared about that. So everybody like nowadays I'm sure more people do. But yeah chipper was playing in the major leagues at from three years ago. This guy was literally limiting people like my chipper was shohei. 

52:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He was batting and pitching like he could wail it. 

52:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, oh, yeah, yeah, I mean shohei otani from three years ago, when literally all he had to do was be a little bit better and he would have still been by far the best oh yeah, he, uh. 

52:28 - Prop Dude (Guest)
He retweeted me when I when I complained about points back and from then on we we discussed a little bit about it and I learned you know that that was him and and it is easy to spot to spot somebody betting a player prop under and that'll get limited quickly, right? It's not always about how many bets you make. 

52:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They certainly didn't pay him enough. I don't know what he made, but it was yeah, yeah. So the amount of money you made that company in net profit. 

52:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, and they still went down the shitter real quick too. 

52:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, once they still went down the shitter real quick too. Yeah, did they really. 

53:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They're still in. 

53:01 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Ontario. 

53:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They certainly sold for a good amount of money. 

53:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Relative. Their sale was more than I expected it to be. 

53:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Relative. Yeah, I think they did okay to be honest in the market. 

53:12 - Prop Dude (Guest)
It was all thanks to the ship, the ship I think, yeah, just going back to the account, the account, the ontario legalization um, if you had a good idea of how to set up whatever your your bed stand profile which was made by ontario better, so just easiest to use that and line shop just through there, you could make a good earn at the start of the ontario legalization still can, of course, just nowadays I feel like it's a little bit tougher because some books have left and and some of the limits on these books for certain markets have gone down, which is kind of why, also, I've switched to focusing on on, you know, making good bets myself and really just getting as much down as possible in expected value, because who knows how much longer this market is going to be around. 

53:59
For, right, like uni, bet has left um points bet, I think, left a couple states in in the us and betway as well, right, so that way recently, yeah, within the last few weeks I really just want to maximize my earn over the next whatever five-ish years and we'll see what happens, but but yeah on the uh, that is still in Ontario. 

54:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
by the way, betway is in Ontario. Yeah, yeah, it's still in Ontario. 

54:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
PointsBets in Ontario. 

54:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, Only you know that. But they shared the same odd set as multiple other books. 

54:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
On the random shipper comment. So I was recently at an Ontario bettors meetup I don't know if it was the last one or a few ones ago. There was a trader there, so you guys will laugh at this story. Who would say that when they were looking, when they were profiling accounts or looking into accounts, this might've been at actually a baseball game, not the betters meetup, can't remember. I get sauced at these events. Sometimes they would say that they would. Actually, when they were reviewing someone's account, they would look up their bet stamp profile to see if they were winning better or not. What a massive edge it could have been to create a fake losing bet stamp account and just post a lot of lost units and then that's like galaxy brain and you and you make it match your points bet account. 

55:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So then, they. They could sort by book and be like wow, this guy is tracking all his bets like he's down at points or he's. 

55:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's winning here but like he's losing everywhere else, like we got to keep. That would have been a probably. You know what. Maybe still is an edge. We'll never know. We don't know what. What's individual? 

55:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
real ones. The real ones know that this game is about. It's about ro roi and amount of money you get down, the amount of money you get down times there are. That's how, that's how you win, that's how you earn. But the real ones know it's literally about finding the best way to just like, be deceptive and or like whatever and and just and make it like it's about hacks little advantages little small things that you can stack, which is why bryson dechambeau would be a great better, as Rob said, but he got got some flack for that. 

56:01 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, I mean all these things add up right Like things we talk about on the show. All the time. You guys talk about seizing your account, parlaying, looking into same game, parlays just trying to look like a square. And now I focus on that a little bit more, just because my bankroll has grown now to a certain point where I can afford to lose some money in seasoning an account. But back in the day, when these accounts were just opening, it wasn't really like that. 

56:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The seasoning little paprika and cumin and seasoning an account. 

56:31 - Zack Phillips (None)
I'm not going to stop saying that, now what's? Wrong with that? 

56:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually really like it. It's just like nomenclature that I'm I'm not really familiar with. 

56:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So yeah, fair enough I have a question for you, off script, okay, and this is, uh, just because this is an ego one for for rob and I you've been listening since day one, okay, yeah, um, and for those of you listening who don't know, prop dude story. This guy obviously was just like a kid came from nowhere and now he's doing really well and I'm super proud of him. However, if you didn't have access to this podcast at all, where do you think you'd be? 

57:06 - Prop Dude (Guest)
The podcast and and the tools that come with it. Or like how about you guys? I've asked you guys, or no? 

57:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
let's just say you never knew me or Rob or the, and you never listened to this podcast because it didn't exist. 

57:19 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I mean, I feel like I would have, I would have figured it out eventually, because wow, this guy doesn't even want to get. 

57:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm sorry to say no. 

57:23 - Prop Dude (Guest)
No, you, you guys obviously helped me a lot. I mean I I've whatever, a thousand x my unit size. 

57:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So yeah, I think if you figured. I think if you figured it out, you probably would have figured it out well, yeah, I also. 

57:37 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I also have other like my friend group is a very, very smart, intelligent friend group, so they they would have, would show me the reins eventually as well. 

57:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So all right, buddy listen, I know if I didn't not the answer, johnny johnny, what do you want me to say? 

57:51 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I was gonna be betting whatever we're supposed to cut a promo from a promo if I was when I was six I already gave you guys the best damn pro one. 

57:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That wasn't enough when, when I was 16 years old, I used to message rob and other guys. If not for those guys, would I have figured out? Yes, yes, but would it have been as quick like? Would I be where I am today? 

58:08 - Prop Dude (Guest)
absolutely not no, I agree, 100 I would, I would I talked to pazola once for what? 

58:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
like one, I took him to a leaf game once to pick his brain. That skipped me forward three years. Of that I would have had to learn on twitter I remember that game. It was the detroit red wings. Yeah, we lost to the last place, red wings. That was the top leafs are trash. 

58:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so if we, if we get to 100k subs on this channel, 100k rob's gonna post his bank account back no 100, 100k subs. I will release all of the johnny dms from back in the day that he used to send me 100k. 

58:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't even know what those are, neither 100k is a really really it's a big number, but it's our goal. 

58:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We want to get there, just don't release my burner account I won't release. I won't release the handle, we'll blow please release it. 

58:54 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Please release this guy changes every week. 

58:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, I have twitter no, no, I, I know exactly what Trent yeah. 

59:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't have Twitter. I don't have my own personal Twitter. 

59:03 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Rob. Does he have a Twitter, yes or no? Does Johnny own a Twitter? 

59:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have multiple yeah. 

59:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But if you don't have multiple Twitters, you're broke in this game. If you don't have multiple Burners. 

59:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He was always like. I never put his actual last name in my contact book. It was always Johnny and his Burner handle. 

59:25 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I think I have an idea on what one of them is, but I won't reveal. 

59:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I will release those. I'm sure there's gems, bro, one of my Twitter. 

59:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Burners. I was like clicking a few too much like recreational stuff and now all it is is a double uh home run, a parlay is like 18 from all these guys like how many guys are just jamming 15 bucks to win 180 000 on like 16 anytime home run parlays? It's insane man. The twitter algo it goes oh, there's some, there's some good stuff back in the day you have it all right now there's some beauties. 

59:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Don't even, don't even tell me I'll hear it live on the air. 

01:00:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, 100k subs we're gonna do it. 

01:00:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let's get there. 

01:00:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Let's get there, let's do it if you're not subscribed right now and you actually like the channel, just sub, please. What is it to you? Go sub and then and turn the notice off for all we care. 

01:00:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Just give us the sub I would rather you sub and keep the notice on, but if that's what it's going to take for you to sub, you don't want to get disturbed. By all means, do that. I do that all the time with like some of the golf channels I sub to and stuff like that. But uh, yeah, those, those, these, these are some beauties. We have to hit 100k. Now we did. I like how what year? Uh, I just closed it okay, we'll talk about it. It's probably like 2015 yeah, 2015, that's fair yeah and listen, it's not. 

01:00:41
It's, I'm sure, dms I. I mean, if you go back like someone wants to. I've never scrubbed my twitter or anything no, don't say that, bro. 

01:00:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're about to get canceled. 

01:00:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't, I don't care. I still have a tweet of like of me promoting rj bell back in the day as uh, like I don't care. Like you, you grow from those things. That's who I was in in 2012. I didn't know better. Some people like retweeted every now and then it's like oh, look at Pizzola. Like what an idiot it's like. 

01:01:06 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Obviously in the past you've done like I didn't have betting knowledge and like from the account Rob yeah, from the best account. I'll never forget. I think I tweeted that, oh uh, professional bet professional better should track their bets on bet stamp like pack in the day. And I got, I got roasted for that. 

01:01:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Right, but you didn't know any better. And then, from then, I learned right, of course, of course. 

01:01:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I once. I once called up a guy because he said he could earn unlimited money on NFL and I said why aren't you a billionaire? And then now everyone's in arms. I'm in a rivalry, you know it's crazy. 

01:01:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Honestly, rivalry of the year is between Johnny and Fezzik or Rufus and Jeff Feinberg. That rivalry has gone to another level as well. I don't know why? 

01:01:48 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Okay, yeah, I got some DMs to get to from Jeff after this. 

01:01:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh. 

01:01:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I love Jeff Buddy. Rob wrote this question what's your Mount Rushmore of people that trigger you? 

01:01:59 - Prop Dude (Guest)
All right, this was a fun one to get into. I had to be careful. I don't want to, you know, get my neck broken or sued, but yeah, number one has to be Krabs, right, I mean, you know I do miss him being blocked now, but it was fun for a little while until he, you know, threatened to to break my neck, which wasn't a lot of fun, but but yeah, just just one of those guys that doesn't really know what he's talking about, but maybe he still thinks he does. I, I feel like it's just his ego, you know, but anyways, I take him in a fight in real life people can't see prop dude here for this episode. 

01:02:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What do you guys think? 

01:02:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
you think you take him real life or no? 

01:02:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've never met crabs in real life. I've only communicated with him before. I mean you're, you're a short guy, what he's got, he's definitely got reach on you. 

01:02:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
rob's trying to. Rob's trying to bait you into turning Cam on for the episode. I know right, he's trying to bait you, am I wrong? He's trying to bait you, am I wrong? 

01:03:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You want to share your height? 

01:03:04 - Prop Dude (Guest)
He's taller than me. I'm 5'9". I thought you were smaller. 

01:03:10 - Zack Phillips (None)
But you know I'm no, you're not taller than me. 

01:03:12 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Okay, I can move some weight around, so I don't know. 

01:03:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Craps to me when I see him. I think he's relatively by height. I would say he's around six feet and he would have a reach advantage on you, fair enough. 

01:03:26 - Prop Dude (Guest)
It's just one of those things that's never going to happen, like Johnny building the F1 car, you know. 

01:03:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll build that car. I was about to back you. 

01:03:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Honestly if we could make that happen. No, no, it's not happening. 

01:03:40 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Come on guys. You don't want to fight what. No man just called the guy out on a podcast. You're not gonna back it up now no off camera like a big pussy too it's, it's his, it's his fault for saying he was gonna break my neck. I never said something that ridiculous, you know, but he's definitely up there yeah you know all right who else is on there. 

01:03:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean the origin. Like he was crabs, was doing stuff for bet stamp in the very early going for yeah, yeah for you that must have absolutely killed prop dude to have to promote that content like you. 

01:04:08 - Prop Dude (Guest)
You were, rob, hired him no, it was not, it was rob no, who hired? 

01:04:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
him. No, that was. It was not me. I've never seen that guy backstep. It was you, it was not me. It was not me that crabs was doing charge it to the game with ben carry outside of my hands. I didn't. I didn't orchestrate that show. I don't know who did. 

01:04:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm pretty sure it was you, I know okay exactly exactly. 

01:04:32 - Zack Phillips (None)
Speak up, speak loudly was it me or rob? It was neither of you, it was goodwin. 

01:04:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Rest, rest in peace oh that's hilarious. 

01:04:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I can't believe I called out for. 

01:04:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I called out rob goodwin did appear in uh, in the sort of circles off. He was part of our round table for ontario legalization back in the day yeah okay, good, yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't me listen. Hey, I know exactly, I'm sorry okay it's a good, nostalgic episode. 

01:05:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Hopefully everyone listening at home is still enjoying. Yes, who else is on the mountain rushmore? 

01:05:07 - Prop Dude (Guest)
yeah, so he's on there. I would say trent is also on there. I mean, I understand people who think he's funny, but for the most part I don't really find what he's doing to be funny. Like the kids that he's preaching losing a bunch of money to while also, you know, doing fun shit, can't afford to lose that money. So at the end of the day I really don't appreciate what he's doing and what he's doing kind of borderlines on problem gaming to a certain extent, like just the amount of money that he's donking off that he's not actually losing because just promotion at the end of the day. So he's on there for sure just because, like I said, I was a kid growing up in the game and I had the privilege of, you know, having good mentors and being able to learn very quickly, and these kids following these not from you and I though no, I never said that, I just said, I would have other avenues do you think he's actually not betting that stuff like there? 

01:05:58
there are certainly certainly people who post bet slips that they're not betting yeah, well, I think he's betting them, but I'm just not sure exactly how his affiliate deal with price works out. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, he makes that money back somehow. 

01:06:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let's just put it that way. I just love. I used to love the short form. I still do do man the videos where he just does the click. I laugh at those every time. Are you getting him on the pod, or what we tried before? We had to go through his agent. Unfortunately, that guy was not a fan of ours. Let's just put it that way. 

01:06:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He big-timed us. 

01:06:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Remember how down Trent was too. 

01:06:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah. And then he's like I haven't you gotta talk to my eight, bro, this guy's a hollywood agent. That's so funny he actually does okay, that's two uh bucket guys. 

01:06:47 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I don't know if this is gonna be an entire bucket yeah, yeah, I forgot to shout out ferris and adam, who both dm me before this episode, somehow wanting me to roast these guys and, uh, they didn't even know I was coming on the show, but I ended up being able to, so yeah, I'm actually very shocked that Ferris would want you to roast somebody like super shocked. 

01:07:07
Oh yeah, very, very shocked Right. So yeah, those two are on there. Number three is JJ Gruden. Kind of for a different reason, he had the privilege of being on the show with friend of the show. 

01:07:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Friend of the show. Three, three, very, very sharp. Watch your, watch your mouth with the way you talk about friends of the program okay, I'll shut up then. 

01:07:25 - Prop Dude (Guest)
No, I'm kidding he's. He had. He had the privilege of being on the show with three very sharp people and still was too hard-headed to change anything that he was doing. Being able to make any amount of earn in the space, you know, just even by I don't know being a beard for somebody. Just too much pride, too much ego. He makes the list for sure yeah, that was. 

01:07:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Do you remember that you remember? 

01:07:49 - Zack Phillips (None)
that episode right of course yeah, yeah, no that would. 

01:07:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That was a man. I remember that so vividly. 

01:07:55 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I was very it was painful, it was, it was tough, it was tough yeah yeah, you didn't really have it. 

01:08:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I couldn't even go at him because he was just like what are you gonna say? 

01:08:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
like I didn't make an argument in his defense other than like well, this is what I do and this anyways we. 

01:08:09 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Yeah, I'll go into a little bit about the personal reflections, just, you know, expanding on that a little bit. But number four is uh, trell j sports. I was blocked a long long time ago by this, by this guy. But uh he, uh he. What does that say? 

01:08:25 - Zack Phillips (None)
holy trial trell trell yeah oh, I remember this guy. 

01:08:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, so I didn't, I forgot he existed. 

01:08:32 - Prop Dude (Guest)
He was posting like a random best profile and cropping it out and like saying that it was his own picks obviously just a typical run-of-the-mill scammer. But he blocked me early on so that that stuck with me. But uh, those four are are my mountain rush more currently oh trail j sport yeah, it's completely. 

01:08:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I forgot this guy. I know exactly who this is. 

01:08:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I forgot he existed I took a call with him early, early on. He wanted to do promotion for us and then, uh, I didn't end up proceeding with it just because it was pretty evident that he he didn't align with the brand to put it. 

01:09:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That would be understatement of the year, understate. Yeah, I took a call with him he. 

01:09:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know what, though, if he's at 20, he wasn't that many followers when I took call him. He's like I want to grind, I want to do all this stuff, but hey, good for him, I'm sure he's posting a fake best stamp record. 

01:09:19 - Prop Dude (Guest)
I mean, yeah, yeah, it is what it is what, uh? 

01:09:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
what are your future plans in the world of sports betting? Any new projects, you? 

01:09:26 - Prop Dude (Guest)
are looking towards so I think I've gotten to a point now where even if I, you know, lose a little bit of money originating some markets, um, and eventually find something big, it would be worth it for me. 

01:09:39
So, really focusing on the same game, parlays like, like I've talked about, um, either positively correlated or inversely correlated stuff across a bunch of different sports. I have a friend that I met, um through the bed stand discord actually that we discussed a lot of these concepts together and have been able to make like a good earn so far just by pricing stuff out at different sports books, also looking for things that are broken in a sense, which I found a few months back, and really debated on how much I can make from this versus how much the account is worth, but overall just delving more into the art of sports betting because you know accounts can only be alive for so long while also keeping up the top down stuff and making my regular ROI from that. So those two combined hopefully provides me with a lot of fun and a good earn over the next few years, because you know originating is a ton of fun and trying to find these markets is is a ton of fun all right, brother, listen. 

01:10:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You've been listening to the show. You know what, you know what time it is. It's not gonna, it's not gonna be a smoothie bowl, don't worry is it gonna be frozen grapes in your drink? Honestly, that was. You're laughing. I laughed at the time. 

01:10:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got a lot of good feedback about that one people yeah, it's so funny people were messaging me like I tried this move. 

01:11:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's actually great, so I I will defend myself on that one yeah, rob's gonna put his third best beer as a frozen grapes frozen grape beer all right, uh, prop dude all. 

01:11:16 - Prop Dude (Guest)
All right, my plus EV move of the week is going to be a shout out to the not RAS Discord. Actually, dogs, dogs are my plus EV move of the week. You know, when you get home from a long day, there's nothing better than your dog running up to you. Even if you had a shitty day, even if you know whatever happened Somebody spit on you, homeless man yelled at you in toronto there's no better feeling than going home to your dog. It's also pussy b, because you can walk them get outside a little bit. I mean my other, my other option was going to be sunlight, but they kind of go hand in hand because pussy b sunlight so that's a dish soap or the no no, getting outside, oh, just getting outside okay 

01:12:00
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. But, yeah, dogs go hand in hand with that. So, uh, I I have a couple rescues in the family and also, um, another dog as well, so it's uh, it's always, it's always good to have a dog around we're talking little dogs or big dogs? 

01:12:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
big dogs big dogs, big dogs. I had a great day before. It was the best. She was the best dog. I love dogs. Yeah, I will say this is your my opinion. I love dogs. I'd say people get dogs. It's a responsibility to respond. So you're adding responsibility and, uh, you're gonna outlive the dog in all likelihood, which which kind of sucks too. 

01:12:37 - Prop Dude (Guest)
You know, yeah, but you give them such a great life, you know. 

01:12:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, if you look at it that way, I don't know, I'm incapable of looking at it that way. 

01:12:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, negative EV. 

01:12:48 - Prop Dude (Guest)
So my negative EV move of the week is saving too much money or spending too little money. Especially just being in your mid-20ss, I realized that the opportunities that I missed out on because, oh, I didn't want to spend that much money, or I didn't want to go on this trip with my friends or whoever, because I didn't want to spend the money, are the things that I regret. So when you're young, I feel like those that are capable of experiencing fun things should do so and spend a little bit more money to also be comfortable in your daily life. You know, for a good bed, good shoes, good chair like these things are important because they affect you later on in life too. So, yeah, spending too too little money or saving too much money is my minus EV move. Um, spend the money and enjoy life while you can when you're young. 

01:13:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, very good. I agree with that one wholeheartedly, as my business partner here, rob. 

01:13:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think I'm off of that now. He's off the train. I think I'm off of the wholeheartedly train, but I agree, I'll say this I'm not the biggest dog guy. 

01:13:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So for the first part, but for the second one, the negative EV move of the week, that spot on too many people are saving money and they don't. They're not really factoring in the that you're only that age kind of once and you can't be dumb about it and you know live on the street and stuff. But definitely spending is good. 

01:14:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll get into mine, um so I'm trying to think of when, if I've ever seen yeah, actually one time I saw you around a dog you remember, you know what I'm gonna talk about I? 

01:14:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I prefer not to mention this. 

01:14:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not a big dog guy no, no, I wasn't, it was, it was just funny that it happened to you. We were in new york, we were playing table shuffleboard me and julian against you and harut and there was some random dog in this hotel that just kept going up to johnny and humping his leg while he's getting out of's they picked him over and over and this lady would come and get it back and it would find its way back to him every single time so that's why you don't like that I was like get out of here. 

01:14:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm playing, I'm losing in shuffleboard to rob. I need to focus like I'm I'm losing a puzzle in shuffle at shuffleboard. I got to be focused here. This is dog humping my leg while I'm throwing. So my negative EV move of the week is and this is for you know, rob, you're Italian, prop dude, you're Italian, I'm Italian. Zach, he's not going to get it Store-bought tomato sauce. Negative EV move of the century If you've had a homemade tomato sugo from the garden buddy, there is nothing better than a pasta with a homemade tomato sauce. I recently had a lasagna with a store-bought sauce and it was a good brand of store-bought sauce. I'm not talking about a Chef Boyardee, but it's just no comparison. A good brand of store-bought sauce. I'm not talking about, you know, a chef boyardee, but it's just no comparison. The quality is no comparison and I'll say right now, I don't even want to be. I don't want to eat pasta with, uh, without a homemade sauce anymore I'm with you, man, we are privileged to have we are privileged, but what any? 

01:15:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
what an evening. My not all didn't come over from italy at 18 years old with like one shirt in his suitcase so that I could eat store-bought exactly pasta sauce. Not happening, no, I love that, I really do. You can actually taste if you agreed if you've had that, you like anyone could do a blind taste test and they would pick the just it's infinitely better the the problem with this guy okay, you're not. 

01:16:13 - Zack Phillips (None)
You're not gonna get access to this you're all numbered. 

01:16:16 - Prop Dude (Guest)
This is not a general get access to this. 

01:16:17 - Zack Phillips (None)
You're on number Jack, this is not a general. 

01:16:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Get yourself an Italian girlfriend, dude. What are you doing? 

01:16:21 - Zack Phillips (None)
But like You're not going to get it. It's just like, yeah, it's a privilege to have that, but like once in a while I get that from a family. Yeah, we'll give you a couple of cars of Sugo Then, perfect, then I'll take that. 

01:16:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But, like, my point points is that this is just not that easily accessible for everyone, unless you have the access that you guys do. My mother wakes up at like 6 am on sunday morning to start getting the slow cook on. That sugo like very, very low simmer. 

01:16:47 - Prop Dude (Guest)
It is very niche, but it is very pleasant it's just, it's just no comparison. 

01:16:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And, yes, that's what it's about. It's about giving out niche, niche value moves that some people, that most people, will never understand. Uh, my second one now. This is related to my airport plus ev from a couple weeks ago. All right, it's. When you get to the airport, as soon as you get to the airport, on the way to the gate, you're gonna stop and you're gonna buy an overpriced bottle of water. Yes, it's overpriced, we, we get that. You can't bring your own bottle in through. You can't bring your own sealed bottle of water in from home already, so you can't bring that in you're. The only option is to buy a bottle of water that's overpriced from the airport or get a glass of water on the flight, or there's a third option bring an empty water bottle and fill it up from the disgusting fountain, which is the by far the worst option of the three. 

01:17:41
So you think that's worse? 

01:17:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
value is this you go in water bottle. 

01:17:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The water from the bottle is actually cleaner than the one, but if you're drinking tap water, then that's why you have this, this take no the bottle water streams that are not filtered. 

01:17:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Bottled water are you drinking? Well, the one you're gonna buy at the airport? No, they have. 

01:17:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They have tons of they have tons of great brands. Oh my god, buddy, buddy, the negative do not drink tap water negative, ev move of the millennium. Is drinking tap water of the millennium not negative, even a move of the millennium. Okay, those who get it, you get it. You want to argue me on this? Whatever, I don't even care, don Don't drink, it depends on the study. Who's done studies? This guy we can't get political on here. 

01:18:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're literally drinking water from streams that animals are pissing in. Which bottled water are you drinking? All the brands of bottled? 

01:18:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
water contain animal piss. This guy's literally drinking calcium fluoride water. 

01:18:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Not only that, but the plastic on top of it. Who said it's plastic? 

01:18:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, you're going to buy it. You could get a glass bottle. You can get certain different types of plastic bottles. 

01:18:49 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Did you not see the microplastic study? By who yeah? 

01:18:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, we all have plastic. Like we're all made of plastic. 

01:18:55 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Listen, listen, listen listen, listen, you know negative. 

01:18:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
EV move of the millennium is drinking tap water, positive EV move. And this wasn't even for the water, by the way, this was just for comfort. Is you want to get a bottle of water at the airport? I agree with that. You can have a comfortable thing on the plane and if you get there and you the air hostess to come and get you the water, I agree with you in a sense that reusable bottles are plus EV, plastic bottles are still minus EV. 

01:19:24
Tap water is the most negative EV thing. If you want to get your water elsewhere, there's arguments to be had on how to do it. My preference would be a filtration system, which I do have, and that's obviously the number one preference. I'm not saying water bottles are good. Listen, I'm passionate about a lot of stuff. One of them is you got to go filtered water from a filtration system and not regular tap water, despite the fact that we have clean drinking water and we're not in the third world. 

01:19:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, Fair enough, I would say, for sure, 100%. You should always have water on the flight, without a doubt. Have water on the flight and also don't ever get the ice in your drink on a flight if you're getting a drink. When you start looking into how they make the ice there. 

01:20:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's the dirtiest water on the planet, the tap water, the dirtiest water on the planet. I would also agree with not getting ice in your drink. Instead, maybe you could try frozen grapes hey, prop dude, am I gonna get flame for this? 

01:20:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
this uh filtered water take, I'm gonna suggest yes, uh, I mean, it's your niche now like it's your stick yeah, no, I'm listening, I'll, I'll, I'll die on a hill. 

01:20:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That I'm not that I don't drink tap water, I don't drink. 

01:20:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't drink tap water out of a sink. It will always go into like a brita filter and go in the frit. A brita filter that toy. Well, it depends like yeah, you know, put it into a child's toy water I drink out of the frit like just as long as it's not just shit water, who fucking cares? 

01:20:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
just drink the water like what's, what's that's what they all say, man, and that's why that's that's the issue. That's what they all say, man, and that's why that's that's the issue. 

01:20:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what they all say, and then you end up, your body ends up made of you guys drinking too much tap water and that's why you're having this take right now. 

01:21:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's not thinking Cause you guys are not thinking. Well, yeah, that's could be it could be it. 

01:21:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, all right, I'll start. Minus EV, uh, minus EV. I listened to Prop Dude's favorite guy, jeff Feinberg, recently on Pat Mayo and he had like a very funny rant about at the end about how he went mattress shopping with the wife and oh, I thought you're going to say the Rufus rant, no mattress shopping with the wife and it was a very like stressful ordeal for him. 

01:21:34
because he's like, how the hell am I going to pick a mattress for him? Because he's like, how the hell am I gonna pick a mattress? Like I, I need to be able to like lay down on this thing for a few hours, watch a game, uh, eat some chips like stuff I normally would do in my bed. Okay, the most minus ev thing when is spending more than five minutes on mattress shopping. Every mattress shopping company in the world will allow you to return the mattress if you don't like it. Like you already know the firmness of the mattress that you want it's firm, it's soft or it's in the middle. You know what you're getting into going in, you could spend two seconds at the store, sit down on it. Yeah, this one feels right. If you have a couple of sleeps on it, they will come to your house, they will pick it up for free, take it back to the store and deliver you a new mattress at the same time. 

01:22:20
Don't spend a ton of time mattress shop. I hear stuff like people are spending hours. I got to test out all the beds. No, like, don't do that. Complete waste. I value time. 

01:22:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
if you haven't understood, You're also not even really getting that good a test in, now that you mentioned it, at the store, like you're laying down. 

01:22:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got to kick off my shoes. I want to be in my like. I want to be in my underwear because that's how I sleep. I want to be watching a game and like, roll side to side, see, I get that. But like, just test it at home, then get a mat, buy a mattress, they'll deliver it, put it on your. You don't like it? Boom, you call them back up and and that's it. Every mattress sounds very logical, very logical. All right, okay, plus ev. This this is actually ridiculous is a true story. Chew your food. I know that. I know I shouldn't have to say this. I think you already use this one also. 

01:23:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Chew your food, I know no, there's no way to use this one I've done some food ones before I use sharp bread. 

01:23:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've done some food ones before. I had a near death experience. This week I'm not joking, not exaggerating I went to my mother's for dinner. I was eating normally I eat very fast, I cut food but like I kind of inhale it. There was a potato wedge that was like a little bit too big, that I probably should have, you know, been a bit more chewed, a bit more. Definitely should have chewed a bit more. I eat it. 

01:23:42
This thing gets lodged in my throat. I could feel immediately lodged in my throat like both sides closure, can't breathe. This has probably happened to other people before, where you can take a like a sip of a drink and it just it pushes it down. I'm drinking a caesar there. I'm drinking, nothing's going down. It's actually like oh, this is disgusting, it's overflowing out of my mouth because nothing is going down. So I got like Caesar in the plate. Now I'm alerting my wife like bumping her. I can't speak, she's slapping me on the back. 

01:24:14
No one else at the table has any idea what's going on at this point. Yet until I stand up at this point, my brother-in-law, across the table, uh, comes around, gives me the heimlich first pump, nothing, I can't. It's like you're not breathing. Second pump goes down to your food. I will. Honestly, from now on I'm gonna chew that food. I'll be at the table for 45 minutes at every dinner. It sounds so stupid Maybe not even true Like don't rush when you're eating. Just don't talk when you eat. Just don't rush it. Don't rush it, you don't need to. It was honestly a very scary moment for me. I panicked for a little bit there. Don't ever want anyone to experience that it's moment for me. I panicked for a little bit. There. Don't ever want anyone to experience that it's. 

01:25:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's actually, I think, the best plus cv move I've ever given on this show, because it could it. A lot of stuff will save your time. What I, what I gave, will save more lives this will save a life what I gave will save more lives. Listen, we almost showed up here today, dude. 

01:25:13 - Prop Dude (Guest)
You told somebody to drink a hot, steaming water bottle. 

01:25:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We almost baking in the sun we almost showed up here today and it was just me and then rob not there, and it was, and we're gonna have to say, guys, we have a very sad message, that's yeah the soloist. 

01:25:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Just play like a montage, a one hour montage of all the terrible takes I've ever had in in sports betting. 

01:25:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You'll find a bunch, you'll prop dude, if you can go back five years to a previous version of yourself, what advice would you give? And then when the show on that? 

01:25:41 - Prop Dude (Guest)
sure. So I I think that, um, going back five years, still still obviously learning a lot in the space and and and doing a bunch of learning every day, but I I wrote down a couple things that I feel like would help. Uh, some younger, some younger guys I would have been around 25 years ago. So number one would be drop your ego and listen. So a lot of sports bettors, they, have trouble understanding that these are, for the most part, bigger markets than you think as a young kid and it's not easy to bet 10 minutes before a game and win. So just drop your ego and listen. Listen to the people around you that are smart and that you can trust, and you'll be better off for it. 

01:26:21
Number two is trust your edges and bet them hard. So if you find something that you think is a big edge, bet it hard and don't really let it go by the wayside or worry about your bankroll, so to speak. I mean, don't be irresponsible. But if you are at a certain point where losing x will not hurt you too much and you really think this can be a bankroll doubler or tripler to a certain extent, bet your edges hard. Number three I wrote down ask more questions. So don't be afraid to ask people about how certain things are built or about what they're betting, or about a certain Pph account or legal account. Ask more questions, ask around. Uh, you'll find good relationships. Most people overall are happy to help and are nice in the space, um, even though it doesn't always seem that way. But ask more questions, you'll find answers and you'll find better relationships doing that that was really well thought out. 

01:27:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You okay there, buddy. Yeah, I, yeah, I wasn't gonna cry I wasn't expecting that. No, I'm sore throat, but it sounds like I'm. I'm emotional right now, but I'm not. I just was very impressed by that, very impressed by that answer. Follow him on twitter. What is the twitter? 

01:27:32 - Zack Phillips (None)
prop dude seven, dude seven, seven yep prop dude seven. 

01:27:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
it's not his real name, obviously, but follow him on twitter at prop PropDude7. Next week we're recording at Bet Bash. We'll see you there, hopefully. 

01:27:44 - Prop Dude (Guest)
See you there. 

01:27:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Are you going to like you're going to come watch our recording? I would hope. 

01:27:47 - Prop Dude (Guest)
Oh yeah, of course. 

01:27:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right. 

01:27:50 - Prop Dude (Guest)
All right, I'll be there. 

01:27:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
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