00:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Fez is looking good. Honestly, I had met him in person before. He's lost a lot of weight, clearly prioritizing his that over betting? 

00:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
obviously. Come on, let's go. You think I'm going to come on here and put one of the Aussies in the elite? 

00:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
tier. 

00:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'd vote for Rob of $25,000. 

00:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wouldn't vote for him. I can basically just cheat and get the same bets that they're getting. It's weird because you can also pay your bills at the same place where you bet this guy talks a lot of trash. 

00:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's talked a lot of trash about me, Rob, a lot of people in the community, but he's refusing to show his face. 

00:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Touting yourself as a pretty good NFL gambler. I thought you were an idiot. Take testing, testing. I'm a cuck. One, two, three, four. 

00:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Aussies going head to head with the Aussies. That's what I grew up for and I said get him Kurt. 

00:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And they call me a mean-spirited name. I don't hang out with them. The Toronto Maple Leafs at 14 to 1. Staring me dead in the face, I'm already getting you know a lot of early. This could be the best Circles Off episode that's ever been done. Welcome to Circles Off episode number 167, right here, part of the hammer betting network and presented by pinnacle sportsbook. I'm rob pazola, joined by johnny from bet stamp, back from las vegas. I don't know about you, but I'm still like we're a week later, not a week, but half a week. I can't get back on eastern. I'm like up at 5 am every day because that was my regular craps time. 

01:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm back sleeping. I don't know what it is about Vegas. We're on Eastern time, moving three hours behind, but we still stay up even later. So we'll stay up until like 5 in the morning, which is really 8 am. For us, it doesn't make sense. 

01:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think my body clock is just messed up because I went from Europe to Vegas. Just messed up because I went from Europe to Vegas, so that's a nine-hour difference, and then back to Toronto three hours. I don't know what time it is. I can't go to sleep, man. 

01:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm a pretty irregular sleeper anyways, like sleeping pattern, so it is what it is for me. I get back right away, but, yeah, definitely some late nights gambling at the tables. 

02:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You had the latest nights. 

02:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I stayed up. 

02:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't like to go to sleep. 

02:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If people are still gambling. I'm there. I love actually betting with friends, even if it's on even expected value or negative EV stuff. Slightly Obviously I wouldn't condone this if you're playing for any amount of money that's significant for you, but for a couple hundred bucks, not a big deal we're not necessarily betting massive. I mean, at times you do kind of, you do get out of hand a little bit, but nothing, nothing massive. Uh you'll. 

02:32
You'll never catch me gambling at like a casino by myself. Like just like hey, this guy's at the table. But if we're playing, if you're playing craps and there's a whole table of, let's say whatever, eight, nine, ten people, you know everybody, there's people playing behind, there's two tables, it's all guys from the gambling community. Like, honestly, the value in that is worth way more than the expected value loss on your negative EV bet by a mile, like the friends I made from gambling at the tables at this trip is worth so much more to me than however much money I lost. And, by the way, honestly, overall I was about even yeah of course, everyone comes back from Vegas about. 

03:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Even so, for those that don't know, we were there for Bet Bash 2024. This episode is going to be a review of Bet Bash. Now, when I told Johnny I wanted to do this episode, we agree. We've listened to recap episodes in the past, other podcasts. They typically suck. Let's be honest. Recap episodes typically suck, especially for a lot of people who weren't there. A lot of times they're filtered. I would say People do their best to promote. They don't want to put things in a negative light. This is going to be a no BS podcast. I'm friends with Spanky puts in a lot of work to put on this event. The truth is, I would highly recommend the event to pretty much any type of better, but I do plan on telling it from my perspective and that's all-inclusive what's good, what's bad. I think that's the only way to do it. 

04:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We'll try to mix in some good stories here, because my exact text back to Rob when he said we've got to do a Bet Bash recap episode, was Bet Bash recaps suck, which they do. They do Unless we're actually going to tell some stories or some real stuff. Then the episode's going to suck. I'm not just kidding, obviously. Uh, we'll keep it light. A couple things to address off the top. Um, so a lot of people and when I say a lot, I mean like I think it's like 12 or 13 people came up to me at the at that bash and they're like oh, johnny, like you're so much taller than expected I thought you were five foot six or something like you look so small in the episodes. Like you look like you're at least a foot shorter than rob, which, um, I'm not. But, uh, you know, you gotta you always gotta like under promise over deliver we're pretty much the same height, I think like roughly yeah, I mean I'm six feet on the nose. 

05:00
Not a, not a, not a contest, but I do believe I'm a bit tall. 

05:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, I didn't know, I didn't know. I always I, I don't know, I don't know for for certain, I just always yeah no, we're about. 

05:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We're about the same height, but I mean I guess I just look smaller. Maybe it's the cameras. 

05:11 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Producer zach doing me 30 years you also have, I think a slightly bigger laptop than me so maybe, maybe, the is that it maybe that your laptop is significantly bigger so it could just be like a matter of perspective. 

05:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'd like to also keep mine pushed down. I don't know what it is about, so that that could be. It could be the chair, but I will say, like when I do watch the episodes back if I didn't know you you'd be like, yeah, you look a little smaller okay, producer, don't do me dirty. You need to put like a phone book in your seat. 

05:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, and then a couple guys also commenting, saying they didn't know that I had hair. 

05:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
A lot of guys thought I was just fully bald ink, which I guess partially you know the hairline is going a bit back as the years go, but um, you could see my hair on the last episode, I guess in the live pod there was a picture of you, uh, with fezik and me when, um, during the speed networking, I got fezik I'll talk about that afterwards but um, and you weren't wearing your hat, and there was like a bunch of people who commented on it and they're like oh, johnny's been hiding that head of hair this entire time. Then one guy just came in and was like if you zoom in closer, you'll see the receding hairline. 

06:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, exactly If you zoom in all the way. But hey, it is what it is. 

06:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh man, all right, we're're gonna get right into it before we do. Obviously, nfl season right around the corner, college football season just a week away. You should know by now to bet into low margin. Sportsbooks honestly got some content coming up by the end of the month which explains uh, hold a little bit better. For those who are always asking oh, what's hold, how do I calculate it? But every cent matters when you're betting on sports. Make sure you check out pinnacle sportsbook if you're in canada, great resource to bet for nfl college football. If you are successful and you're one that complains about getting limited, ah, this book won't take my bet. It's not going to be an issue for you at pinnacle. So check them out. Use code hammer if you're signing up in Canada. It does support us here on Circles Off and, as always, you must be 19 plus, not available in the US, and please play responsibly. 

07:14 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Wait quickly. I don't even know what happened and I feel like people out there might want to know what happened with the interaction with Fezzik, like how did it go? 

07:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Did he approach you? What happened? No, I mean like, listen, I don't even hate Fezzik. Like, how did it go? Did he approach you? What happened? No, I mean like listen, I don't even, I don't even hate Fezzik. I just got to lean into this at this point, though, right. So I saw like hey, there he is, the billionaire Fezzik, you know. He's like what are you going to do? You got to lean in, right, like that's, that's the only way to do it. And then, um no, he said we uh to calculate. He's like, hey, assuming you have this much bankroll, this much edge, whatever, then like what should my bet sizing be? And like you know, obviously we'll, we'll get into it when he comes on again, looking forward to uh doing the episode uh but, yeah, listen, everyone's a nice guy. 

07:55
We I don't. I don't hate anybody from the community. No, I don't think anybody does you see people in person? Like I didn't even like think the episode with fez actually recently watched it back after knish said it was my uh 12 for 12 goat performance. After I watched it back at least that interaction and like I didn't even think it was anything bad, it was just, you know, just a conversation. 

08:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But uh, no, yeah, definitely don't, uh hate him did it bother you at all that he had bigger arms than you fez? No, bro, listen, the guy's in the best shape in the entire. 

08:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, I'll say this right now for everyone here not a lot of people in great shape at this conference, that is, that is true. That's an understatement. Okay, not a lot of people in great shape. There's four. This is not age adjusted, this is just overall best shape. Alan boston the guy is absolutely deezed, bro, and he's 66 years old. Respect to Alan, say what you want about him. For whatever else, that guy is in great shape. 

08:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
On the final night there's a Legacy Club party. I believe Alan Boston had approximately one button done up on his shirt. He is shredded Like he's got an eight-pack. Alan Boston. 

09:01 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
He's walking around the pool like that. Yeah, he is. 

09:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, if you remember the day that we recorded, he was like a little bit late and, uh, it was because he was coming from the gym. But he came on and he's like, yeah, I just did like my two hours at the gym. And he's like, yeah, I do that every day, it's so I'm, but if he punched me I might disintegrate. 

09:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Good on him. My goal is next year I want to be best shape at the conference. So we'll keep progress on that over the year for everyone listening at home and you can go back and look at an old episode and then we'll look at like episode 100. And then we'll go episode 200. And then eventually 300. I'm going to be absolutely. Nobody will be saying that I'm small Come episode 300, 300. 

09:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can guarantee you that that's a long time from now. You're giving yourself a real long rollout it takes a long time to get actually jacked it does to get into that that type of condition. But yeah, there was some fez looking good. Honestly, I had met him in person before. He's lost a lot of weight, clearly. Uh, prioritizing his. 

10:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That over betting obviously. 

10:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh man. Okay, before we get into it really quickly, for those that don't know, venue was Circa Sports, which is downtown Las Vegas, fremont Street, my opinion, one of the best possible venues you can have for a conference like this. I actually did not leave Circa, with the exception of going to one barbecue that I got invited to, that we both went to and playing in like and then going right back. 

10:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah. 

10:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And the golf and poker event that I played with were off-site. Aside from that, I was pretty much at Circa, ate all my meals there, spent my time in the sports book on the casino floor Love that spot. I'm much more preferential to the Strip in Las Vegas than I am downtown Vegas. However, I think if this was on the Strip, I wouldn't enjoy it as much, because I would be bouncing around a lot more and just being around everyone every day and always having something to do makes it great. So Circa is a very good host. 

11:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you've ever been to Circa, you know what they need guaranteed. They need a faster food spot. They have four food spots in there, or three food spots. Four. 

11:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Four if you count the burger and technically you can get a breakfast sandwich at Jackpot's, which I saw is active. 

11:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That doesn't count Pretty regularly. They have four food places. They got all of them. You're looking at a minimum 30 minutes before you get your food, which is just it's. It's just terrible. You you got to have a spa where you can just get like quicker food for a lunch or something. Um, but yeah, that's my only uh beef a circle, but yeah, I literally ate at only the circuit places too and we said we three times each. 

11:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We said we would keep it real. This is not my particular beef, but I would warn anyone there. So I saw another video about this yesterday. There was a guy there that goes by the D-Gen Weekly on Twitter. Good guy, talked to him for a little bit. He did his review of the event. He's more of a rec, better, very different than us two. But he ended up on the side of the hotel that has stadium swim. I mean, don't end up on that side unless you're like, really in for a party. If you're planning on waking up early I'm sorry late, you want to sleep in? It ain't happening, man, that music gets going on that side of the hotel. So pro tip, if you're ever going there and you don't want that, just say you want be on the other side. 

12:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, but contrary, if you want to sweat some bets in the morning, you look right out the window and you get. You get all your, all the games on, right out the window. So it's give and take. Also, if you just don't go to sleep until very late, it's not even an issue, yes. So there you go. I'm a big stadium swim side guy, I'll take you like the stadium swim, yeah, but I, I could sleep anything. I could go on a plane and sleep in one minute, no matter the conditions whatever. 

12:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm actually very jealous of that Same, based off of what I've been going through recently. 

12:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No good, yeah, no good. 

12:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Also, I will say that the diversity of the attendees this year was wider, like more of a disparity. You had a lot of pro bettors, saw a lot of rec bettors, content creators. 

13:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
A couple of businesses this year Industry professionals as well. 

13:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I honestly think that that makes it more challenging to put on a conference like this. If we're being honest, you're just like there's so many different types of bettors that you know. If it was a professional betting conference, it'd be much easier to figure out what to do, or if it was a rec betting conference, but putting all these people together makes it more challenging. One of the examples, one of the talks, was one of the first seminars Spank Odds Advanced User Guide. Spank Odds Advanced User Guide. What would that mean to you? To me, it would mean they're probably going to tell you some stuff that like is not very apparent in spank odds. Within the first two minutes I saw like 10 people walk out of the door. I was like, what's going on in there? They're like, yeah, they're telling you to take like the sharp sports books like pinnacle, move them to the left side. I'm like, yeah, it's not much of an advanced user guide, like listen, calling it out for what it is. It's really challenging to put on stuff like that. 

14:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But for a lot of people, though, that's the difficulty, right, because you have such a diverse base. So for a lot of people they're like holy shit, like this is revolutionizing my betting right. 

14:19 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I was going to ask you guys like in your opinion, how many people do you, what percentage of people that attended, do you actually think that are on your level or close to your level, or in your group? 

14:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. It's really hard to put a number on that, because when you consider professional bettors, there's like a lot of different avenues to that right. Like there's professional movers as well. Do you consider them in the professional better if the category if don't actually work but they're just moving other people's action? I do personally, because they're they're they're making a living from sports betting. Uh, so it's, it's tough to chat to to ask that, but there was notably a lot of casuals there this year. 

14:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I will say yeah, there's a lot, I'd say, of the people who went. My estimation would be and people might disagree with this, but so there's probably seven. There's, I think there's like seven or so hundred people, maybe 800 people, something like that. I'd say probably 200 people of that don't even bet, like they don't bet, meaning like they're maybe 150, 200. They're from like a bank or from something that's sponsored, you know like legal something in the betting space, maybe media people, but don't actually bet for real. So that will leave those people out. And then I'd say, of the rest of the people, maybe 60% winners. What would you say? 

15:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think that's a good 50, 50 to 70% winners so there there was. 

15:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I do think there was a couple of losing bettors there from people I talked to. 

15:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was people that admitted they were losing. Yeah, they were losing. Yeah, trying to learn, trying to learn, which is like that's what makes the panels and the seminars difficult, right? Um, I'll be honest, like full transparency. When I saw the seminars that came out obviously we were doing a circles off podcast as well I didn't have a lot of uh excitement for them. There wasn't bunch. I only signed up to attend one and put my name on the list. That was the NFL preview with Judah Fortgang, who's now part of our NFL coverage here at the Hammer. On Forward Progress Make sure you're subscribed to Forward Progress for NFL season. But aside from that, I didn't sign up for anything. I was just kind of going in and out. 

16:21
I will say having people sign up for panels and seminars in my opinion, is a bad idea, because what tends to happen and what I noticed is people will just sign up for a bunch of stuff because they feel if they don't, that they won't have the opportunity to go there. Then a lot of people just don't show up for them. So some of these rooms were half empty, even though they were quote unquote sold out. I think that's not a great look and maybe prevented someone else who was late to sign up from going. I mean conferences I typically have gone to and passed before. You just have your rooms and you just walk in. 

16:58
I understand these are smaller rooms. For some of these seminars they can only hold 100 people, but I don't know what the solution is. I for some of these seminars, they can only hold 100 people, but I don't know what the solution is. I just thought that a lot of people put a lot of work into presenting. You know you have 20 people show up when your room was sold out. It's kind of shitty. I mean, we did ours. It was pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good. We got maybe two-thirds of the room full, even though we were told than that, more than that. 

17:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, we had like six, seven empty seats in the whole room. Yeah, but yeah, it is what it is. Man, if you came out to support us, you're probably watching this episode too. Then we appreciate the support. Gave away some nice pinnacle swag. Oh yeah, had a good time, a lot of good laughs for sure. 

17:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I attended a few seminars. I actually heard really good things about a couple. So, um, harut and Drew, we've had them both on in when we were on circles off back excuse me, back in the day audio original two OGs Uh, they did a growing as a professional gambler seminar which was like ups and downs of um betting. 

18:00
Um, for those that don't know, they've experienced like a significant downturn in their betting and kind of had to come back up from that. I heard from people who were there that that was actually a really interesting discussion. I don't know that there's a lot of takeaways from that, but in terms of storytelling I thought that was great. I heard good things about Plus TV Analytics, matt Buckhalter, although I will say a lot of people did say there was like information over like too much in that one out. You were there at that one right. 

18:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, no, I was there. It was a good, pretty good. The beginning, you know, explained really like what the correlation and stuff is, which for most people who bet, you know they would understand that already. But there's again there's a lot of people in the room that probably didn't know that they went through some edges. 

18:43
How to calculate, I think, is very valuable to a lot of bettors, um, especially if you're just uh, even if you're not betting same game parlays or correlated edges or anything like that. So it's like it's really good to know how people think about it and how you can calculate a lot of these things. So if you were looking to learn, I think you could have taken something from a lot of these. Um, but really it depends on your level, right, because it's so hard to put. It's like imagine a like a university style course, but then like some of the people in your class, like they never took this before, and then some people are like in like fifth year advanced, and then you have to put them in the same class yeah, that's, it's hard to. 

19:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you know, that's what. That's what I mean about like the diversity of the conference. Right, because if you're doing a correlated parlays seminar and you know that the entire room is, casual bettors Teach it a lot differently than like yeah, if you're pros. 

19:32
And you have to like kind of cater to the whole crowd, so that makes it tough. I checked out profiting for injuries or from injuries, excuse me with Fezzik and Dr Chow. I met Dr Chow this week and Dr Chow I met Dr Chow this week. I have a very contrarian take on Dr Chow, which gambling Twitter will roast me because they hate that guy. Forget about, like for those that don't know, the historical precedent for why people don't like him he did some stuff with Clay Travis on OutKick before. He's also was known when he was in the NFL with the Chargers. 

20:13
For, frankly, I mean, there's lots of articles about it not being a good doctor, like a lot of misdiagnoses, prescribing pills for players and stuff like that. I don't want to go down that road all that much because, whatever, it's not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in sports betting but I did like a few years back I won't mention the other bettors that that helped me with this but we did a study of people who are publicly doing injury analysis and Dr Chow is actually pretty good at the injury analysis like if we got out ahead of a lot of stuff because of his assessment and I actually think it worked in our favor that nobody else likes him because people just like dismissed everything that he was saying. He does speak in generality sometimes, so it's like how do you consider this an accurate prediction versus not? I will say, though, that that panel it was just tough to listen to himself pat himself on the back for a lot of the previous injury, like I felt like that was half the panel, which was a challenge. 

21:11
I didn't really like a lot of the seminars. I'm just gonna throw it out there Personally, maybe not geared towards me, but I didn't get value out of a lot of the sessions that I attended, without trying to throw people under the bus. Last year I was part of a panel with Darren Revell and that was considered and I'm not just speaking like out of my ass here that was considered the highlight of the week by many, because it became very confrontational between Revell, jeff Benson, myself, dave Cherapan and Steve Fezzik, kind of like trying to play the middle. This year there was a specific session that garnered some steam, which I was not at because I was actually getting ready for the pool. True story, we'll get into this, but there was a. This session was actually captured in video by some people that told me that they had a video of it. I have not seen a video, so I had to do like witness accounts. I got six witness accounts from people that were at this session. Not going to give their names, it doesn't matter, but it was the American Better's Voice session with Richard I don't know how to pronounce his last name, schultz, something like that. Sorry, apologies for the terrible pronunciations. So this is a seminar where he's explaining the vision of American Better's voice, has some bullet points up on screen. 

22:36
There's a mic in the front of the room to ask questions. Spanky opens up the mic to a bunch of people in the room. Anyone who wants to ask questions participate in the discussion. One guy in the audience raises his hand. Joe Brennan, who I believe is the executive chairman for Prime Sports, which is another sharp sports book in the US, goes up to the front, grabs the mic, brings it up to this guy and this guy casually asks how does ABV, american Betters Voice, plan to get casual and rec players involved in its mission? Which, in my opinion, excellent question, totally valid, because if you have ABV who's representing bettors as a whole, you would want to get rec bettors involved in the mission, or at least part of that. 

23:34
Brennan walks the mic back up to the front of the room shaking his head and then goes on what has been described as by Captain Jack as an epic rant at the roundtable. If you weren't there, ask somebody who was there, spread the word. Some people did not view it as epic. They viewed it as I'll just use the word Bush League. Not that anyone actually specifically said that, but we have Mitty here. Prime Sports rep just went 10 minutes berating everyone in attendance and not in attendance with what the fuck are you doing to improve the industry? And then bitched about how few people are at this seminar. They're probably at the fucking pool, totally unhinged and gross. And there was more of this on social media. 

24:19 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
And where were? 

24:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you, rob? Where were you? I was not yet at the pool, I was shaving my chest and not yet at the pool, I was applying. I was shaving my chest and applying, and putting on my swimsuit. 

24:30
If we want to know the full. I looked down at my chest hair and I'm like this is way too long to appear in public. Ran the razor not shaving my chest, but yeah, listen, I wanted to look presentable around my peers, which I gave out as a tip on our live podcast last week. Brendan goes on this tirade You're shaving after that shower. 

24:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fakey post that you had. 

24:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That was tough. I had to. I had to. Anyways, just back on this topic. I don't want to get into the topic of shaving my chest. Anyways, just back on this top topic. I don't want to get a topic of shaving my chest. So Brennan is basically saying don't ask what ABV is going to do for you, ask what you can do for ABV. 

25:14
Multiple people describe this as a profanity laced tirade. He called out bet bash attendees in general, saying they're too lazy expecting someone else to advocate on their behalf, looked individual audience members in the eye and asked questions of them Are you a pro? Better, have you been limited? What are you doing about it? Angrily, why is this room empty compared to speed networking? Was muttered. You all have the power because you all have fucking money was like another line that was uttered. He actually called out Captain Jack, saying where are the rest of the members of your team? Which happened live there? And there was four other seminars going on at the same time. There was a pool party, a live watch along party, watch along party. 

26:05
Candidly, not only was I shaving my chest and putting on my bathing suit, I was ripping some last minute bets in the sports book so that I could cheer for something in the pre-season game. People are now starting to get up and leave. It's really uncomfortable. The kid who asked the question is flabbergasted by the whole thing. One point starts laughing to himself about it. Brennan see this, sees this, turns around and yells at him what the fuck are you laughing about? Which is gotta be an ep. I wish I was there for this. And then, apparently just really awkward afterwards, richard doesn't know what to say made a funny joke to try to get like the tension down in the room and that's it. And apparently at some point later on, joe Brennan acknowledged that he was using this kid that asked the question for dramatic effect, but everyone that I reached out to told me that they were very uncomfortable in this room. Now that's the highlight of this year in terms of like controversy a session that stirred things up. 

27:04
I want to make it very clear here that I don't know Joe Brennan well. I met Joe Brennan in the speed networking event at Bet Bash last year where we sat down. He was telling me about Prime Sports and it launching. We talked for seven or eight minutes. That was it what I'm going to say now. I would say this to Joe Brennan's face. I was actually going to say this to Joe Brennan's face. I was actually going to say this to Joe Brennan's face, but a Hall of Fame dinner on Friday night wasn't a good avenue to do that, especially in front of a lot of his peers. I didn't see him at Legacy Club. He might have been there, I don't know. I didn't see him. 

27:39
But personally, personally, abv, I think, is a very noble effort by people. I don't believe that bettors should be treated differently. We've talked about this before. I think that there should be some sort of fairness in the sports betting industry, and it kind of sucks that somebody can bet $100,000 on a game because they're a terrible better and someone else can only bet a dollar on the same game because they're a good better. However, I understand that there's businesses at play here that want to make money. 

28:14
The problem I have with the ABV and attending sessions like this are that I've heard this described as like a union before. This is a union for sports bettors. It's not a union for sports bettors. It's not a union for sports bettors Because Well, that's what we need a union. Well, okay, like, from our perspective, we're not in a union. So whenever we hear stuff like labor strikes for this, my natural reaction is like ah, that's another union situation. But a union is generally responsible for the same thing, like teachers union, whatever union you might be talking about getting people paid fairly, that's a mandate. Making sure workplace conditions are good, suitable and essentially like maintaining that that's what the union is responsible for, those things. 

29:03
The problem with this and I'm like calling it a union for sports bettors is that it entails that all sports bettors are looking for the same thing, and that's where I have a problem with that. So what like fair limits for everyone? Do you know how that would impact different types of bettors? For some bettors, that's great. For 99% of bettors, it's not even a problem. Let's call that out for what it is. 

29:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's fair limits. It's tough in the industry, but it's actually really not even good fair limits. 

29:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, this is what I'm saying. So it depends how you earn your Say. You earn your edge in sports betting by betting same game parlays as an example. Now, all of a sudden, sports books have to offer X limit to everyone who bets a same game parlay. What do you think is going to happen to that offering? 

29:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They're either not going to offer it or they're going to offer a significantly reduced version of it. Obviously Right, just like the main. So the main sports books that don't limit anybody do not have the offerings that people are currently winning on. And, for example, a perfect example would be I'm wearing the hat right now pinnacle sports book. Great book, incredibly fair book, not going to limit anybody, has a standard posted limit that's the same for everybody. I could bet $500, rob Zach, ex-professional, better Spanky, whatever it is everyone gets $500. 

30:32
However, what that does is like Pinnacle. You know they don't have like 1,894 same game parlay combinations for Reds, yankees. They don't have that. They have 25 prop types for the game. They take a nickel on each and they call it a day and they move the lines accordingly. But they're never going to be able to offer that same standard limit and then offer a crazy amount on same game parlays and stuff like that. So it's give and take. All these guys that are asking for fair limits, do you think they could be? Obviously, it'd be great if you could never get limited on any of the rec books, but they would just be losing money. They just had to file for bankruptcy, it'd just be over. 

31:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Right. So I see Joe's point of view and you have to understand he's part of Prime Sports, a sharp sports book who wants to take big bets different business model completely. But I don't like the notion that all pro sports bettors are fighting for the same thing. That rubs me the wrong way. That's why I don't want to go to these things. That's why I don't want to be a part of them, because it's really hard to advocate for all bettors. Now, deep down, if you think that ethically, everyone should be allowed to bet the same thing, that's fine. I can totally understand that point of view. But I know the way that I earn my living and in a lot of cases it wouldn't be beneficial for me for a sports book to have to take a certain bet on certain things. 

32:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If Rob could bet whatever he wanted at DraftKings, he quite literally would be a billionaire. Yes, that's the reality of it. You'd scale it up and you'd continue to grow and you'd eventually be a billionaire. That's how it would work, but obviously DraftKings would be out of business if that happened. So they can't offer that. It's not feasible. 

32:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, Now also just like the whole tirade of like oh, like there's a bunch of people at the fucking pool or whatever, I'll probably got more out of being at the pool seriously for four hours than I will ever get at any seminar that is presented at Bed, Bath Beyond. 

32:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The value is in the networking man, the value is at the tables is at the tables throwing dice at three in the morning. That's when you're going to get the value. Is at the tables that the table's throwing dice at three in the morning. That's when you're gonna get the value to the conference I've been saying this. 

32:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm totally with you. Like the pool part, like the stadium swim watch party, is actually such a good avenue to network. You're outside, you're in the heat, you're walking through pools, you're seeing different people that you don't talk to, that maybe you haven't seen for the that that, to me, is actually more valuable, which is why I go to that event every single. I'm not there to just get belligerent drunk. It's nice that there's an open bar there and I can have a couple pops. It's nice that I could watch preseason games. But I'm there to talk to people that I don't typically don't talk to and to me, like that's my decision, don't berate people that that went to the pool party at an event that are part of, like a networking function that is part of the event. So I honestly, if I was in that room, I probably would have said something in real time, because that's just who I am. 

33:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You got to call them on out. 

33:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I don't like to be spoken to. You got to call them on out. I would love for this to continue and pick up. I actually do really respect Prime Sports. I talked to Adam Bjorn a little bit this weekend on the way to the poker tournament. I have no disrespect for Joe Brennan. I actually think he's passionate, which is good for the industry in a lot of ways, but that really didn't sit well with me. Honestly didn't sit well with me. Honestly didn't sit. And I think that's one of the fairest questions that someone could answer is like how do you get rec and casual bettors on board with this? Very simple, they represent the vast majority of the population. I don't know that that warrants a tirade about the room being empty compared to speed networking, or people need to do something. I don't need to do anything. I don't need to do anything I don't like. Don't tell me I need to do something. And the people that are getting triggered need to do something. 

34:30
Anyways, I'll end it at that. I don't want it to go overboard. It is a little upsetting. It is a little upsetting. It's like this, um, this notion that that we all have to care about what someone else cares about. We don't, like, we're all adults. I care about certain things. You know I'm in the content creation space. I care about some things that are related to that that other people don't. It's not like I'm going to berate people Like why weren't you at this seminar on you know how to create content, like it's. That's it, anyways. Importance of networking at Bash. I do wanna move on. I played both the golf and poker tournaments because I had an ultimate VIP ticket. I liked them both individually. I don't think I would ever play them again in one day. 

35:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That was the longest day of my life. 

35:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I went from golf to poker, to dinner, to casino floor. It was an extremely long day, it was hot. 

35:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We've been talking a lot about casino gambling right now. Like, obviously, gamble responsibly on casino, like you don't have an edge. If you have an edge, you're in a casino, ap slot machine player go for it, fire away, obviously, do your thing. If you're not, if you don't have an edge, use it for fun, use it for recreation. Bet a couple bucks, bet what you can afford to lose, go for fun. But uh, yeah, obviously just letting you know, like, don't go overboard on casino I feel like I need to say that no, no, you do. 

36:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's a good point and, honestly, there's a lot of people there that didn't that. They were just on the casino floor, that weren't betting. 

36:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They were just part of the funnel, like they buy yourself a beer negative the bet and there's a couple guys and I don't want to name them by name. There's a couple guys are just there. It's hard. They just take a hard stance. I'll never place a negative ev bet. I'll never play a hand of blackjack. I'll never play a thing of roulette, it's like. But by not playing you're not gaining the chance to actually just get like a fun win with with friends and then also just build the relationships based on that. Like I had an unreal. I had an unreal night where me and this and this kid that I literally just met at bet bash, we, we teamed up, we went in, we ran a small stack up to a medium stack and had a massive double down hand that we had to pull money from the cage. Plus, if you double down, you got to double down 11 on a five. At that point, no matter how much is in, I'll place that bet for sure. 

36:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Can you confirm the rumors that you guys had to shut down the high roller room for a little bit so that you could go down to get money? 

37:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
to place a double down. I can't confirm any rumors, but all I can, all I can confirm is this Then the experience, the fun I had during that night. There was five of us there it was me, producer Zach, three other members of the betting community, one that has been on this podcast before and two that will hopefully be on this podcast in the future, because that's how much fun it was, that's how good the relationships are, and none of us are going to forget how fun that night was. We were out until 738 in the morning and, like sure, we ended up winning that night, you know, but the expected value was down, you know. So in EV, you know, I definitely paid a couple hundred bucks in expected value to have that night. I definitely paid a couple hundred bucks in expected value to have that night. But that's so much better of an experience than the $200 or $300 I would have paid to go to a dinner and a show anyways. 

37:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So if you really think about it, For us, though in our position For us Negative. 

37:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
EV betting is you got to think of it when you're betting. You might lose $500 that day, but you didn't really lose $500 in EV Because next time you might go. You might lose $500 that day, but you didn't really lose 500 in EV because next time you might go you might win 400. So, net out, you may have lost 50 in EV, 100 in EV. Think about it that way. And then, if you're betting like that and you're keeping it responsible, the form of entertainment there could work. But, like I said, you're not going to catch me betting online casino by myself in my house and you're certainly not going to catch me, um, you know, betting by myself and going driving down a wood buying right now and and setting up shop at the slots. 

38:25
But if we're with friends like, yeah, that's, it's to me, um, you know, like I'd much prefer that than, uh, you know what, what's another waste of money, I don't know booth and bottles at a club or something like that. 

38:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, doubt, yeah, I'm with you. 

38:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, yeah, like these got, like these golf and poker Booth and bottles at a club also could be EV if you're with the right people. 

38:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Exactly, I got it. I got it 100%, 100%. 

38:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's significant EV if with the right group. 

38:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
With the right group. 

38:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
With the right group, significant EV Also could be the worst EV imaginable in life. All time, all time, yes. Negative EV All time, all time, yes. Negative EV. Same with casino All time EV negative. But with the right group of people could easily be positive. 

39:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The poker tournament. I got eliminated by Marcello Marigliano who I used to watch on YouTube play like high stakes poker with like Tom Duan and some guys like that. So he dirtied me too. I was, I had the nuts on the turn, got it all in good. He hit a full house on the river but like that's what I the guy's hilarious but the one of the funniest guys imaginable. But also we exchanged numbers. We've talked since the event. There's possibility of doing some business together. I played golf with with a guy named Ricky who lives 20 minutes from me, who I never would have found in my entire life, but we flew out to Vegas, ended up meeting each other and could potentially have a relationship in the betting space going forward. This guy, marco from Montreal. That type of stuff matters. Speed networking this year. So I will always do the speed networking, no matter what. Yeah, it's good value. Good value. I had a bad run this year and this is not like to diminish. 

40:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is this because you got GRP and Fezzik? 

40:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's part. So this is a true story. No, I'm not even chirping. 

40:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You already know those guys. 

40:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Of course that's the problem. Like the, the true story is I was out very late the night before tuesday night. This is the night I I did golf poker I literally thought he was gonna say something else dinner casino. 

40:33
I was close, I was. I was out a long time. So I'm, my alarm goes off in the morning. I I wake up, I turn over and I checked the speed networking site and my meetings were already posted. So I'm going through these now and I'm like I know half of these people. At least I've had conversations with I think nine of these 15 people. 

40:57
It did cross my mind of maybe I should catch up on some sleep, but then it's not fair to the people who get me like it would be a really shitty thing to do. But like, yeah, I know, I know Steve Fezzik. We talk pretty good. We DM each other on Twitter, we chat like GRP. Do I want to sit down and talk like Matt Landis? I know Matt Landis. I could talk to him whenever I want to talk. So there's so many guys on the list in my. There needs to be some sort of change where maybe you have like a first run through of your sheet and or or it can just be like I actually know these people that have signed up for this list. I don't want to sit down and meet with them. Like you, I meet. 

41:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I literally met four time vetoes. 

41:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I met with one of my betting partners. Like I sat down with someone I talk to every single day and that just feels like a waste of time. Speed networking last year for me amazing Probably like 13 really good contacts people I stay in touch with. This year I didn't get so much out of it, but a lot of people did, which is great. My complaint this year was they had that massive ballroom for speed networking. All the tables were on one side of the room. 

42:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I couldn't find any. 

42:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was so hard to get to the tables. It was so hard to get to the tables If you had a table 158,. 

42:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Good luck finding that. Impossible to find. It actually didn't even exist. 

42:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I heard you stood up, fats, for your speed network. 

42:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
By mistake. 

42:21 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
By mistake. By mistake, you didn't know Fats' real name. 

42:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I didn't know his name, but now I know his name, now I know his real name. I won't dox him. But listen, honestly, speed networking not bad. I would actually be in favor of a second one of those back-to-back days. It's all good. Yeah, maybe if you can switch, but you never know you're gonna get. I had a lot of interesting people and then a couple people that you know I didn't really care too much for, but it's the same. You never know you're gonna get and you can learn something off everybody. I had a couple decent stories. One guy came to me. He's like can you win betting sports? I said, yeah, I could win. He said, great, slaps his card on the table. He's's like you're going to come be a handicapper? I'll give you 60% of whatever you sell. 

43:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're starting to launch a new tout yeah. 

43:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's not even a good deal. Like 60%, I'll just sell 100% of whatever I sell. I'm going to sell my stuff. 

43:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you're going to sell your stuff, you do that. But industry standard for those is is like 50, 50, 60, 40 so he was. 

43:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He was giving me a fair, he was being he was giving you a fair offer. 

43:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not like he tried to scum me yeah, no that. 

43:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And then one guy like he was like trying to show some gambling credit card, so I know he's definitely not going to listen to this podcast because he did not bet on sports at all. He was in my, he was in my foursome for golf, was he a? 

43:36
good guy, at least. No, I, I don't think it was that guy. It was a good guy, at least. No, I don't think it was that guy. It was a different guy. He was like a guy who worked at the bank as well, but not the same guy that was in your foursome, maybe not. This guy was like so you would deposit with this credit card? I'm like, yeah, I mean, I guess. And then he's like is your credit score above 625? Fill out this application. So you never know. Yeah, anyways, you got some good ones, though. Yeah, of course, there's a lot of people there and you never know someone that you you never met before and they're just like oh hey, like I've listened to the show before, I know exactly who you are. I did this, this, and this actually helps out having the show and a lot of people know who we are. So they you don't have to get through the whole like, oh, I do this and I did that. 

44:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's huge, that's like a two minute time saver at the beginning of. In previous years I would have to to go through that speech, but you're right now. More people know us, which is great, by the way. Thanks for everyone who does tune in. Make sure you smash that like button. Make sure you're subbed if you don't. But, um, also like just the personal interact. Like I got to talk to uh jelko for hours this year. I would would say AKA John Wilson. I believe you don't get those personal interactions. Like we're talking about one of the best bettors on the planet who's just at a betting conference looking for originators. 

44:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I know. 

44:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And just chatting it up and like willing to have very personal conversations, so like you don't get that period. So like some people who, a lot of people who put down Bet Bash, it's like, ah, this is a big circle, jerk, of bettors, these guys and whatever, and it's like I can see that from the outside, looking in, but you do meet a lot of people that you would never have accessibility to at any other point in life Not just Jelko, but many, many people in that regard who I just never would interact with or come across. Some guys out of Arizona really had some great conversations with them over a lot of drinks. Anyone either of you know what a Scooby snack is. 

45:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, I don't even. I don't want to find out. 

45:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah I found out the hard way very, very delicious beverage which will get you absolutely wrecked when you have uh it's, it's like one of those that feels like you're drinking juice and then, after you have like five or six of them, you're like yeah, this is not, this was there was way more booze in here than I. 

46:00 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Someone submitted it as their plus ev during the episode while we were recording. 

46:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Ah yeah scooby snacks, um, anything else that stood out. One other thing that stood out for me I think there's like kind of themes. Over time we got asked about this off air, which I'm not going to give the answer that I gave, because for people who attended our live episode and paid for a ticket got Q&A Value, it's only fair Value. The answers to those questions stay in that room. But last year there was tons of top-down bettors and I'm not saying there wasn't this year, but last year it was like everyone around was top-down and a lot of the questions were okay, how am I going to scale this? I'm doing well, but I'm getting cut off everywhere. How can I scale this? 

46:47
This year there were so many movers there, like tons relative to last year. I think a lot of people are actually like realizing that they can iron out a spot for themselves in the professional landscape and ecosystem by moving bets, and I noticed that in Plentiful this year, which is music to your ears if you originate sports, and there's a lot of movers around and they all want to be competitive on price. So again, just for anyone out there, that's professional better. That was, um, pretty fantastic. 

47:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
um, we met kanish this week oh, uncle k good to meet in person. Brother, thanks for all the support not just kanish. Uh, you didn't get no, but honestly, though, kanish unacceptable what he did. We gotta tell people he did Like, straight up, the most disrespectful thing of all time this guy flew into Bet Bash came to the conference for what was seemingly appeared to be 28 minutes. 

47:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Also, let's point out that he didn't even have a ticket to the conference, just came up the elevator. 

47:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's even less disrespectful than what he did. He came to Vegas from wherever he lives Michigan, somewhere, whatever Detroit. He comes to Vegas, sits in there, comes by for legitimately 28 minutes. Hey, what's up? You know he's talking to everybody like this and then he leaves. 

48:14 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
I'm like, oh nice, we're going to go to dinner, we're going to do whatever, we're going to fire up, we're going to fire up. 

48:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This guy doesn't come to dinner, shuts his phone off, goes to bed at 8 o'clock, less 7.02. 

48:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
7.02. Last scene. 7.02. 

48:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Goes to bed, wakes up in the morning he's tweeting oh, I'm at the airport, whatever. He also recorded a video. He came for 28 minutes. 

48:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was insane At like 5 am with no one there. Complete. He recorded a video which got picked up by a big Las Vegas site called Las Vegas Locally and he's just there on Fremont and it's like dude, she just came out with us last night but he didn't go out. He's in his room. We do know he has social anxiety. Uncle K, I don't know what that's like personally. 

49:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But yeah, there was one zach will find it with with uncle k, I was just hoping to get you know buzz with him for a bit but I think this is it right there. 

49:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, he's just there. There's no one out there turns around. It's his face, that ugly mug of his, and that's it. But it was great to meet him. Uh, listen, it's step in the right direction. Like he's talked about this publicly before, he does have social anxiety I this is the first time ever he didn't completely stiff me for some sort of at least he did show up. 

49:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He did show up for 28 minutes he did show up. 

49:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Also, I got to meet brad powers for the first time, who I've never met in person before I didn't even see Powers. Yeah, powers was down in the whatever that bar is Vegas. 

49:45 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Vickies. What's it called Vegas Vickies? 

49:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Vegas Vickies, yeah that bar over there. 

49:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I want to give a shout-out actually to someone, sammy P, former guest of the pod. What a legend man, this guy sweating a big D-Gen sports parlay with a group of us. Oh, you were part of that too, that was getting tweeted about. It was actually my parlay, was it? The France-Belgium no no no, that was a tough loss for some other people. 

50:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wasn't in on that. 

50:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I had a big parlay we ran up. I don't even want to tell the story. It's like whatever. We ran up a balance. 

50:16 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Started small, no, small. Well, no, no, you don't. I won't say from the blackjack night if from the blackjack night extra money we ran up a balance. 

50:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Starting small, we ran up a balance pretty big, including that massive double down that we had. It always happens, by the way, when you're like, okay, last hand, I'm all in, that's gonna be a double down. Just accept it, it's true. Um so, yeah, I ran up a big balance. We were partnering. It's always fun to partner, that's like the way to kind of do it. Um, we throw it on a dgen, uh, sports parlay. We're like, okay, let's all pick a leg. Um submit it over the counter because it was coming under my name. The circa trading team took 12 minutes to review it. 

50:53
It was literally a it was literally a straight dgen parlay. It's guys review, like not even best prices, like yeah seven thirty am. 

50:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They're great trading. These guys are even for 12. 

51:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The guys on the phone like I don't know if they're going to take this. I'm like buddy, like let me talk to them. We're just trying to run up this balance for fun and like for tomorrow, like we started small. Anyways, we're sweating. Sammy P's in with us on the sweat. Couldn't have been a a better guy to sweat a game with. He'll fire up with you. He's just a professional. All around you know. There's those guys who are, you know they don't want you to win, or even guys who like. 

51:25
So basically what happened is we needed a miracle comeback. Padres minus one and a half. They tie it top nine, send it to extras and then they went in extras by three. So we cashed that which sent the last leg to an under we needed, which was looking incredible all game, and then got busted in the ninth with a two-run jack over the green monster in Boston. But even when we lost it, sammy was just like. You know how you just go straight face Like sorry boys, he's just a professional all around, shoto. I appreciate that. We had a lot of fun, sammy, actually bets. 

52:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's a content creator that actually like he's a. He's a content creator that actually like throws money. So he he's been there before. 

52:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've been around sammy for some sweats in vegas before I'll tell you this right now if we hit that parlay, which was for like whatever, a good, decent amount, that was all getting rolled back and we were either leaving with zero dollars or 1.6 million. I can guarantee you guys with the cyber truck, we were leaving with the Cybertruck. For all those who were there, it's a Cybertruck ad. You can win a Circa Sports Cybertruck. We were driving that thing back to Toronto or we were going bust. 

52:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Another admission of mine, because I think this is a very unpopular opinion. When I first saw the videos for the Cybertrucks, I was like this is the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life. Now you like it. Now that I've seen them in person, they've really come. 

52:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's like I might get a Cybertruck at some point. I'm not ashamed to admit this, but I got a couple on order, do? 

52:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you have them on order, I'll sell you one. 

53:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm looking to make 20% on my $250 deposit if you're interested. I forgot about the deposits right, it's so cheap to put the deposit down on the car. It doesn't matter, they'll order them in. 

53:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Imagine I make 20% off Rob, make a hundred bucks off him. I will not do that. That's a minus EV move for me, especially to you, because you'll talk about that till the end of time. By the time I got the better of you. Yeah, whatever you think about elon, I don't care. Like you're entitled to your opinion, it's fine. 

53:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Tesla's a solid piece of of tech a guy came to me at the pot at the conference. He said you uh positive ev move you gave up was to get a tesla on a previous episode. He's like and that was the best move I ever did. 

53:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I love my tesla yeah, they don't pay us for anything, but I love my car and I I can't imagine that I would honestly go to a different brand, especially just like when you always look at what like when you're shopping for anything, right, you're always comparing like what else can I get in the same price range? Once you start comparing in the same price range, it's not even remotely close. 

53:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
As of right now. I support Tesla. As of right now. This could change. 

53:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You never know. 

53:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It could change. 

53:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Will we update it when it changes? 

54:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know, but I'm saying as of this day yeah, yeah, it is what it is. Um, I have one other thing was, uh, the just just happened to be in the right place at the right time for this story, but uh took an uber to the airport, the night flight, red eye flight on um the last night. I was there and five of us in the uber on the way to the airport a couple different flights actually, not all to toronto and boy did I get the greatest uber story I've ever heard in my entire life. This is not a joke. I will never be able to tell the story the way this guy told it, so I'm not, I'm not gonna even try to tell it, but I can guarantee you guys no exaggeration. All five people in the cab were actually crying Real tears out the eyes, abs in pain, sadness, crying of laughter oh, wow, okay, like crying so hard of laughter where we literally got out of the Uber and were crying. I had tears. I wasn't just crying like a tear rolled down. Tears hit the floor. That's how hard I was crying. My abs were hurting. Tears hit the floor. That's how hard I was crying. My abs were hurting, tears hit the floor. 

55:02
We got out and then the guy who called the Uber. I said you know what? I can't let this story go. I need to contact this guy and see if we can get him on the podcast. So we called him, clicked like oh, we forgot an item in the car, just so we could call him, and then said, hey, buddy. I said hey, and then said hey, buddy. I said hey, buddy, I actually host a gambling podcast. That story was so good that I think you got to come on this air and tell us. And he's like, uh, I don't know I got his number. He said he's gonna think about it. What was? 

55:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
what was like the don't don't give it away. 

55:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But if you had to do like the teaser dude for the story, I'll tell you what it was, because this wasn't even the funny part, but this guy was. It was this guy he was. He was down. He's living in vegas. This was like five years ago. He was down, bad, like down, very, very bad in life. Like his wife was going to leave him, kid gone, filed for divorce. He had no money. He was about to lose everything, like evicted from his house, he's going to be on the street. He scrounged together from like payday cash advances and credit card cash advances all the money he could formally get, which was four thousand dollars. He's planning to dunk it all at on a parlay. If it hit, he was gonna pay it back and live his life. If it lost, he's gonna file for bankruptcy and he would have been homeless. 

56:16
The guy slapped it on a six-team bowl game parlay. He had the ticket open and it fucking hit, bro. It hit. It was the first bet he ever placed in his life. He fucking hit it and then he since then got his family back, everything like that. He's in a good spot five years later. He's actually making a go of things now and he's never bet again, bro. It's the greatest story I've ever heard gambling related ever. 

56:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We should give out a psa to not do this, by the way, because for every story like this, there's somebody who's completely lost their life, and we don't mean to laugh about that. 

56:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But definitely don't do this but like the story we heard I mean it's in combination to the people he told it to were literally five like big sports bettors who were just coming off this conference like betting on sports and like having fun betting and stuff like that. But uh, honestly, man, if we get this guy on the pot, it won't be a full episode. We'll just get him on to like tell 10 minutes of this story if we can get him on. 

57:11
Like the way he told this story, like the, the funny part where we were in tears was him like sweating out the last game. But just, yeah, the stuff that you, you can't write this stuff like he. He remembered, like the story was so factual and you know it's factual because, like you, don't forget these details he remembered every single detail. He showed us the ticket. I was like, let me, let me. I'm like, oh, that's amazing. Like she showed me the payout and I'm like, let me see the, let me see the games. Oh, by the way, 16 way, 16 parlay all dogs Similar to yours. No, you guys got to see what tar parlay, yeah, but this guy, no, this guy put a 16 parlay in all dogs. Like, if we get this guy on the pod, I'll be happy. I don't know if he's going to come on. It seems at this point like it's not likely, but I'm going to text him after this. 

57:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right, a few other notes on my end. They have a scavenger hunt every year. Did you hear anything about a scavenger? 

58:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
hunt this year. No, no, I didn't even hear anything. 

58:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I didn't hear any like zero buzz, so I think that's probably going to be not a thing going forward. I know it was optional this year Over under. I don't know the answer to this. I'm just going to set line over under four and a half people that turned out for scavenger hunt. It's gotta be over. 

58:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, you think over, I think yeah, at those odds I'd have to take that, that line I'd have to. 

58:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What if I said nine and a half double digits? When was this what it was over the course of the entire? 

58:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
oh under, under, under over the course of the entire thing, like no, you could complete it at any time. I think how many people submitted and completed it. 

58:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
How many people took part? Like did they submit? 

58:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
it. Oh yeah, probably like seven, six seven. 

58:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, that's a good guess, I think. 

58:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Six or seven Like, completed it and was like, hey, this is mine. 

58:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think I went a little bit too low in the first place. Not not listen. If you did compete at it, you're free to do whatever you want. Last year a lot of people did. 

59:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I bet Plus TV Analytics did it to defend his championship. He must've done it. 

59:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wouldn't you want to just say that you retire undefeated? I actually like Matt. 

59:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I like Matt Plus TV Analytics. I played blackjack with him. I lost like three hands in a row. I couldn't play with him anymore because he's just at the table. You know, he's like a super smart math guy I can't deal with this. He was just doing this, like everyone, all the hands would come in and he would just, he would just be like this. He'd just be like stand, stand, split, double stand I can't. 

59:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I I listen. There's nothing that bothers me more. If somebody asks I will, I will gladly tell them what to do. But also it's their own money. They could play however they want. There's people that get so cheesed when, like, a guy doesn't, like oh, you're supposed to double that. It's like he's playing his own money. 

59:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like yeah also, it's all. If you care about this, it's all, we're negative ev anyways. Like it's all negative ev unless you're counting or something which not that many people are in these casinos these days. It's really hard to get away with. So, realistically, it's not really. It's all negative ev anyways. So if a guy stands or pulls an extra card, who cares? It's not impacting your thing. 

01:00:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sports gambling Hall of Fame dinner on Friday night. You were not there. You were there last year. 

01:00:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, that was when I was leaving this year, so I didn't attend. 

01:00:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Again, this isn't a phony podcast. I'm going to tell it like it is, with all due respect to people I'm seeing this photo on the screen, bro. 

01:00:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, we'll get to that shortly. 

01:00:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What is this? With all due respect to the people in the Sports Gambling Hall of Fame and getting in I get it, they're getting in the event is too long, dude, it's way too long. How long was it? It's like 7 to 11 for 10 inductees there. It's like seven to 11 for 10 inductees. There's a couple of breaks. Mike Palm is the host. I think he's very good at hosting. It does a great job. But there's like someone who presents every person in the Hall of Fame, so they go up on stage. They're like they tell their stories about their experience with that person. Then there's like a montage that plays of guys who are already in the hall that are talking about this, how they knew this other person. Then they go up and they accept the award. It's, it's too long. Like I watched the WWE hall of fame ceremony and like Ric Flair takes less time than these guys are doing too. And like you know, I saw Billy Walters go up with papers like pull papers out of his pocket. I was like here we go Like papers at a speech. It's got to, not. There's got to be something done about this. 

01:01:27
I want to go to these dinners. This is not any disrespect to people who are getting in the hall of fame. Truth is, I don't know a lot of them because they um I'm born in the mid eighties. A lot of these people were relevant way before me. I like the stories, I'm very interested in a lot of this, but it can't be a four hour dinner. It cannot be, and by the time dinner gets served it's like nine o'clock. It's tough. I hate to come across, but that's my experience and, believe me, I think that's the experience. I was looking around at tables of people around me and I don't think I had an unpopular opinion. 

01:02:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Last thing I will say it is what it is. I didn't attend so I can't comment this here, but I really want to see this photo here. 

01:02:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, we will get to that because, this is part of my plus EV, minus EV. We will get to the photo that is up on our screen, however. That is up on our screen, however. First and foremost, our live recording of Circles Off. I love doing that. I don't know about you. It was a banger bro, it was a banger Everyone said it was my funniest episode because I was more loose. 

01:02:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I like getting Okay. I have to. I like public speaking. I have to be honest with you right now. 

01:02:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm going to be very honest and upfront with you. That was one of your best episodes ever because it was live and you were unfiltered. We pre-record some episodes and listen. People don't know this a cat's under the bag, but obviously Zach, our producer, edits every episode. Sometimes we cut stuff out. 

01:02:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And what? Sometimes I've been messaging him like two a week now to cut stuff out. Sometimes. 

01:02:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Johnny has a cramp behind the table and he stands up to stretch and he's like no, no, no, cut this out. I don't want people seeing this, but that was unfiltered, like raw in the moment people were dying of laughter. Like that in play guy that was in the front row oh my god, he, I don't. I think that he would have paid more for that than like a jerry seinfeld stand-up or something. He was in his element. 

01:03:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
When the cams went off too. For the Well they're still on. I guess we still have the recording, but the part that we didn't air the Q&A. I had some funny ones, bro. 

01:03:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
With the satchel, I have to carry my insulin around in this satchel. 

01:03:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I know, I know, we know, rob, he gets so mad. 

01:03:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He gets so mad that I have to. This is like all my diabetic supplies. I got to carry it around. The alternative is I take all these things out individually and put them stuff them in my pockets. It sucks. 

01:03:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Put that in a duffel bag. This is way easier. 

01:03:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That was amazing. Also, what came up there was the final question of that, which was about from, I believe, Eli. The Iceman, the Iceman Eli, the Ice about uh, from, I believe, eli the ice man, the ice man, eli the ice man. So he asked when, when is rob gonna play me in monopoly? 

01:04:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
yeah, for those who don't know, this guy's been just commenting. He made a full twitter account. I'm pretty sure his account's just challenging rob to monopoly, after rob said on an earlier episode of circles off that he's good at monopoly yeah, I, I just said I studied like optimal monopoly, which is not like rocket science, by the way. 

01:04:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Optimal, optimal monopoly strategy is pretty easy. But then he started commenting on some videos, saying he would roast both of us in monopoly, because I think you said you were good at monopoly too. 

01:04:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm down to play him. By the way, if we're going to set something up, okay so long story short. 

01:04:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Over the course of the week this guy's just tweeting at me. I'm playing poker at the table. I look at my phone. I got a tweet from Eli the Iceman. Like I see you over there at table 12 ducking me at Monopoly and whatever. Then, as the week goes on, people start coming up to me and handing me these individual Monopoly chance and community chess cards that have like written messages on the back you have won second prize in a beauty contest. Collect $10. There were only two contestants you and Eli the Iceman. You know like you'll never be free until you play me, rob, because this is like a go to jail card. 

01:05:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Dude, that's a good one on the second place in a beauty contest. 

01:05:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So like people are rolling up to me and giving me these things, and random people are giving it to you. 

01:05:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Different people Like hey, I was told to give you this. 

01:05:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They would say I was told to give you this. This one is a Circa resort and casino card which, by the cleverness of these, is actually really good, rob. Enjoy your new home. Eli the Iceman. What property do you think he put in there? He put Baltic Avenue. Enjoy your new home, eli the Iceman. What property do you think he put in there? He put Baltic Avenue. Enjoy your new home, the worst property on the entire board he put in there. And he put a little house. Gave me the little house. 

01:05:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The worst property is actually Mediterranean. 

01:05:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Still I think, yes, good call, but cheap as hell. So yeah, he gave me those. 

01:06:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Final night at Legacy Club was the best one, because fat this is a good one too, that's rolled up to me and gave me that one on the on the final night so this one says this is the, the monopoly chance card that says like make general repairs on your property 25 dollars per house, 100 per hotel. And then he says, rob, if you ever muster up the courage to actually play me, this is what you're going to be dealing with like the house damage after hurricane eli rolls through hashtag eli the iceman so I'm getting these good on you, good on you, mate, that's. 

01:06:33
That's a funny joke it was a good joke. 

01:06:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I always thought it was a joke. Uh, after I left legacy club I don't know, 330, that night, something like that guy rolls up on me in the hallway, comes up to me, taps me on the shoulder. It's a guy that I've seen for the entirety of the betting conference. He was sitting right across from me playing poker. He was on the same floor as me at circa a couple doors down, and he just introduced himself. He's like listen, I don't want you going home thinking you got like some sort of stalker that's out to like get you or whatever it was me introduced himself. He's like I really apologize. I'm like no, no, don't apologize. I actually found this hilarious, it was really good. Like no, no, um, you know I didn't take it offensively, I had a great time with it. 

01:07:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So that was Are you going to play him or no? 

01:07:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I offered to play him and he's like Monopoly takes too long, it's like a five-hour game. I'm like I don't really like Monopoly. He's like I know it takes too long, be like a five-hour game. If he wants to do it, we can get the odds up somewhere and we can get the odds up somewhere and you can play them and we'll do a live stream. We'll do circles off like a Johnny and I will commentate. 

01:07:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I would rather you and Zach play as well. Four-man. Four-man game, yeah, but then trades and stuff. Zach's too much of a rookie, I don't want to have to fleece him in trades. 

01:07:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You've got to take advantage of Zach. That's part of Monopoly, though. 

01:07:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You've got to take stupid trades. I want, I want, but you know, what there's different different properties are better in the four man there's too many sucks. Let's call it out for what but, honestly, let's put these in the studio, let's put these on. Yeah, we'll put, we'll figure out a way to to maybe get these. 

01:08:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, I'll put them in like a hockey hockey card sleeve or something like that and get them up on a wall. Uh, I did appreciate that. So, uh, overall, bet bash to me great success again. I I would highly recommend anyone goes out there. I think that there's enough for each different person. Um, I got the feedback survey. I replied to it. I hope other people do too, so that we can kind of progress this going forwards. 

01:08:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But you said. We said a lot of stuff about, I guess, changes and whatever, especially for you on the seminars. I just want to make it known if nothing changed I would still go back again next year. It was a great time. I had a lot of fun. The majority of the fun I had was just in the people a lot of great people in the community to get them all together in one spot and be able to meet new people and hang out with old friends and people in the community. Amazing, as you start going more and more years, it compounds, because now you know 25 guys and then next year you know 50. Then the next year you know 100. And the amount of fun you will have is just tremendous. It was honestly one of the like, straight up, this was one of the funnest. This was the funnest time I ever had at a conference. This one, this exact one by a mile. Tons of memories I'll never forget, tons of laughs and honestly I can't wait until next year. Good on you, mate. 

01:09:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree, and I have to just give a shout out to one person because he honestly makes a conference for me every year. Mike Craig, michael Craig Right, angle Sports Craig-er as we call him around Just a true beauty, a man who's 10 years older than me but thinks he's 20 years younger. Okay, this is. 

01:09:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Craig, yo Craig. Honestly, this is a tragedy. I had so much fun drinking and gambling with Mike Craig over the past two, three years. This year I quit drinking so I wasn't drinking for the conference and Mike Craig was taking a break from casino gambling. So we went up and it's like, oh, what are we going to do? So you know what that was. Next year We'll get him. 

01:10:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
When he was taking a break from casino gambling. Why Did he gamble with you? You know what? Now that I think about it, I think he did. 

01:10:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think he did, no he said, oh, I'm just taking a break from gambling. For a bit. I was like, okay, no problem, I gamble. And I said I'm taking a break from drinking, no worries. 

01:10:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But here's the thing he still fires up. It felt like I was gambling with him. He's just with me the whole time. Yeah, no, he wasn't. He wasn't betting. I didn't realize that, though. Now I don't know where he got those massive high like. Did you see those tall boys of high noons? 

01:10:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
yeah, where does he get those? 

01:10:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've never seen that in my life, uh also shout out to scott won't reveal his uh, but also a guy that will just literally be there till the end of the night every night. I truly appreciate those guys. They're absolute beauties. 

01:10:49 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Rob introduced me to Mike Craig and the first words that came out of his mouth, he didn't say anything to me, he just said I'll kick your fucking ass in beer pong. That's Rob'subs like this is mike craig. 

01:11:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
mike, this is producer zach too many names to name, but a great time I had, um, you know, like a bunch of guys off twitter that were that were great hoopster bobby that guy's a legend at the tables heels, absolutely legend ferris we had a great time. 

01:11:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We had a nice armenian barbecue as well, which is nice. Appreciate the invite there. It was honestly a blast. And, uh, that's a thing for me, like I agree, I'm nitpicking, nitpicking with a lot of this stuff. What I like to, what I like to get, um and this isn't like maybe very arrogant sounding I would like to like learn something that I don't Like. I used to go to conferences. I you know 10 years ago when I was sports better. I just used to consume like sharp betting content. I love that, but I don't have that. That's maybe the only thing that's missing for me. The relationships are not, and I love the event. I really do so. Had a great time with that, please. 

01:12:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I want to see this, Please. I need to see this picture. 

01:12:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so this is going to be my minus EV of the week. Elihu I chatted with him a lot this week. I know that there's some people who have very strong opinions of him. I've always maintained a very cordial relationship with Elihu. We've been able to chat, never had any issues with him Personally. He tweets out Jim Everts convinced me to quit lawyering and go to Curacao 20 years ago Best decision of my life. It's a picture of Elihu and Jim Everts. 

01:12:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
At the Hall of Fame dinner. 

01:12:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, was it the Hall of Fame? Yeah, yeah yeah, okay, I immediately noticed. 

01:12:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, I also think you're wearing these clothes. 

01:12:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, good point. I immediately noticed Elihu's tie in this picture, which is very, very extremely wrinkled. I don't want to make an example of him, but it is out there publicly, so I have to talk about this. Do not show up to a vet. Here's the thing. If you're going to travel with a tie, you roll it up, you put it in a shoe in your luggage. You got no problems. You show up, you don't have to do anything. Let's say, you didn't happen to do that and you show up with this tie. Circa has steamers in their room, all right, you steam the wrinkles out of it. Let's say, by some chance your room doesn't have an iron or a steamer and nothing works you can't get access to an iron you, just you, can't you? 

01:13:30
just you, at that point, you just don't wear the tie, like you literally do not show up with the tie on or you never unbutton your jacket you just keep. 

01:13:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, this one would have been noticeable through the button. That's how bad this is. I think it's you actually have to see this photo, for because rob's not he's like yeah, his tie is wrinkled. I don't think he's gonna adjust it just to how wrinkled this tie is I feel, I feel so bad. 

01:13:52
But I had, I had to. I couldn't do nothing. Also, on the topic of this, I don't know the guy on the left, jim, I believe, is his name. Yeah, you also got to tuck that back end of the tie into the tag there as well. That's also pretty unacceptable. 

01:14:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I agree, Sometimes it can come out Like sometimes you tie a tie where the-. 

01:14:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, it doesn't come out like that, but he didn't tuck it in. 

01:14:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. This is. I don't want to fixate on Jimmy. Clearly, the problem is that wrinkled thigh, which is extremely. 

01:14:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This might be the worst, maybe the worst two-tie pick I've ever seen. Extremely noticeable the wrinkles on that thigh. This is the closest idea. 

01:14:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What's going on? So minus EV. Just like I talked about this and like being present In last week's live episode, I talked about networking and being presentable. I will think of this forever when I think of Elihu. It's sad, but I will. He will never live this down and that's not something you want to be known for. So it's all jokes. 

01:14:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It is all jokes. It is all jokes as my plus. 

01:14:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
CV. I will say on the same topic, and I did this this week as I tend to do as much as humanly possible travel without a checked bag no doubt. I can't. There's people waiting at the carousel at the airport for their bags to come out. It takes like 45 minutes in some of these cases. One one poor guy lost a bag on his way from uh Toronto to Vegas this year and like ruins. It's a trip ruiner. 

01:15:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, it's honestly a trip ruiner, but how many? 

01:15:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
how many close are you? And also, like Toronto to Las Vegas, you're going to another major city, like if you forgot something, you could just buy it Like very, very easily you can get it there. But yeah, I just most people are coming in for three or four days. What are you checking a bag for? What are you traveling with in a bag? I say this as a male, I don't know for females. You can wear a lot of dresses, stuff like that Might be a different story. I can't say specifically, but if you're a male, travel without a checked bag. 

01:15:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Way easier. I feel like it doesn't even matter if you're a male or female, it has to. It's directly correlated with the length of your trip, anything like a three-day trip. You obviously don't check a bag. I'd rather bring a backpack than check yeah, what am I? 

01:16:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
what am I checking? 

01:16:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know to be fair, maybe elo didn't check a bag and to put that tie in his backpack, like we got it. 

01:16:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We don't know all the facts just roll the tie and put it in your shoe. It's a very savior. 

01:16:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll tell you right now I got a couple. So plus EV move of the week here is if you're flying on a red-eye flight meaning let's say your flight's at 11 pm and it's through the middle of the night book an extra hotel room for that day, Right, you think, oh, I'm not staying the night, I don't need the hotel room, but there's value in the convenience of being able to A store your stuff there, be able to hang out the full day and then just go back to your hotel room and then you can shower, you can change. You don't have to worry about changing in the washroom. Obviously, this is highly dependent on cash situation and I definitely wouldn't recommend it. But for convenience, Vegas hotel rooms are actually not that expensive. For those of you who've never been, uh, it's everything else really that gets you on the price, but the hotel rooms are not that expensive as long provided you avoid a friday or saturday night, you're pretty much yeah, or if you book it far enough in advance. 

01:17:08
if you're trying to book day of, you're gonna obviously get reamed. But, um, I'd say you have tremendous value. And also like, even if, even if you're like, you're not going to sleep there, right? So even if there's, let's say, there's, three or four of you leaving on the same day and you don't necessarily have the funds to get your own split one with four guys Because you're not going to sleep there anyways, it doesn't matter. If you have one bed, you can store all your luggage there, you can all go there. 

01:17:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You can all use the shower, even value, if you wanted to. Um, you know, save a little bit of money there. I, I agree on that. I mean, listen, um, I usually just get benson to to get me late checkout at 2 pm, which is essentially the equivalent but even 2 pm like I would. 

01:17:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I would have loved, I flew it at 11 o'clock I would have loved to be able to go have all my stuff, my hotel room go, whatever. I want not have to carry my backpack around all day because I don't want to leave my backpack at the desk. 

01:17:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm with you If I have a red-eye flight. I do this when I go with my wife to Vegas. We always book the room for that day as well Easy. Somewhere to keep your bag somewhere, to go back and shower and like, honestly, sometimes you just want to go, like take a nap and just lay down. 

01:18:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So second listen. A long time ago on this show, somebody recommended to try the Barry's burger. Okay, I tried the Barry's burger. Okay, no good, I'll tell you this right now. No good For a variety of reasons. Yeah, was it? Was it a burger that was tasty? Yes, absolutely. Was it all that? No, was it $59 and only $6 less than a filet? Yes, yes, to get this burger over the filet was an absolute tragedy on my end that I will never do ever again. It was honestly the negative EV move of the trip that I made. I will never be getting the Barry's burger ever again. 

01:18:49
Get the steak, obviously, and I knew that, but I was thinking, oh no, this guy's on the podcast said it was a great burger. Maybe it's going to blow my mind. Rob said got texted, whatever. No, terrible move. Was it a fine burger? Yes, I'm not saying it was bad, I'm not saying I didn't like eating it, but obviously the filet was the move and that's just on me. That's on me. There's nothing else I could have done. That's on me, 100%. I can't even blame other people. 

01:19:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Johnny's referring to Barry's Steakhouse, which is in the lower level of Circa, which is a banger steakhouse, like it's very, very good. I eat there whenever I can. That recommendation came from Bill Ady, who is the COO of VEASAN and lives at Circa. So the first time I ever went to Barry's I asked him what should I get. He recommended I get the rib cap, but he said, like listen, every now and then there's he's, like there's a steakhouse. It's kind of embarrassing to go there and order the burger, but the burger is good. I order the burger. 

01:19:49
I will say there was a big group last year that went like 12 people I think exclusively ordered the burger for one night. There was mixed reviews, lots of them saying it was the best burger. They had Lots of them saying, ah, it's a burger, it's good, don't get me wrong. Also, there was like a lot of edibles flying that light. So these guys are like high and they wouldn't have eaten anything at that point. But you're entitled to your opinion. I haven't had the burger since the first time I ever went there. I thought it was a good burger. I don't order it now, though, because, like again, the rib cap is actually the way to go. 

01:20:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Listen, I would say, normally I say I'm happy, I tried it. But you know what I'm not happy? I tried it. I would rather have gone the filet. And I want to tell you guys, if you go to berries, don't get the burger. It doesn't make any sense. The best burger you could possibly have is not even as good as a filet. So there you go, that's it, simply put. But hey, that's my advice. If you like my, uh, my um, tap water, uh, no, tap water take, then uh, tail me on this one as well no bear. 

01:20:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wonder if there's gonna be like an expert burger connoisseur who now responds there's always an expert that responds to any single, plus Someone who, like you, didn't even know this job existed. I don't remember what the water guy was. 

01:21:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This guy said he's a 36-year veteran tap water. No, there's no way, bro. What was it? I think we mentioned it on the live, though on the live yesterday. 

01:21:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But this always happens. It always happens Whenever we have a strong take, somebody jumps in and they claim to be like a proficient expert in whatever space we're talking about. 

01:21:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
it happens every single time this guy literally commented and said wait, is this right here? 

01:21:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
um it was the prop dude episode. It was. He said this he? 

01:21:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
no, this is claiming as a water quality engineer for seven years. I've never seen so someone so uneducated. Bro. You're not a water, that's not even a real job. First off, second off this guy's no. Honestly, bro, there's no way. And then he's claiming in as a water quality engineer. He happens to also be right here in ontario. No, no, no, no, there's no way, bro. Every time we do it, there's always someone ontario is our most highly viewed region. 

01:21:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would. I would say that's what I think this is. B we we argued about this at dinner, dude, we don't have that many things. This is a real comment. It's not. 

01:22:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think it is we we don't have that many people listening to the podcast that every time we have an opinion someone's like no, no, as a uh expert on so I used to make homemade sunscreen for 20 years. 

01:22:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, bro, there's no way there's no way there's no I agree, I think that's a fake one. 

01:22:22 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Uh zach uh, yeah, first, one of the things that was really cool that happened throughout the entire week, uh, was people coming up and just giving me their own plus cv or minus cv things. I thought that was pretty funny. Or commenting on ours uh, johnny, I don't know if you got this as well. One of the most common things I got during the week what the fuck is a vegas cab beer? 

01:22:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
people are not happy with that. Everybody kept telling me that too. I ripped a couple this yeah, a couple guys came to me and they said rob was out to lunch with those with those with those grapes too, they're like. Thank you for calling him up. 

01:22:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Again, there's no downside. There's not a single downside that someone can give me to the grape the frozen grape. 

01:23:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll give you one downside. What if you drink a little bit of sugar from that grape Now? Your drink is now a slight bit worse. From you for no value. 

01:23:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're not drinking sugar. It's a frozen grape dude. It takes a long time for it. By that point, if it's unfrozen, just throw the drink in the garbage. But why does it have to? 

01:23:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
be grapes. The chemicals are going to mix and the flavor will be slightly altered. 

01:23:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's grapes, because they don't mix. 

01:23:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They have to mix in some way. 

01:23:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Even if it's a small, small percentage, they have to mix if they mix, there's no way you're gonna put frozen, you're gonna put frozen grapes in a beer, in a beer. Test on this show. 

01:23:39 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
We are doing a taste test on this show, you're gonna put frozen grapes in your beer no, we won't do it on the show, we'll just do a video because I never ice a beer. 

01:23:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't ice a beer you ice your beers? 

01:23:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
no, but I'm just saying would you put frozen grapes on your beer, in your beer? 

01:23:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wouldn't put a frozen grape in my beer because I don't ice my beer, because you don't put a frozen grape in a drink. 

01:23:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I use it as an alternative to an ice cube. 

01:23:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's an alternative to an ice cube. 

01:24:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You put frozen grapes in your soup. 

01:24:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I will tell you this If you did put a fucking frozen you put frozen grapes in your soup. I don't put ice cubes. I kind of agree with Johnny that there would be tainted you put frozen grapes in your Coke Coca-Cola. I would put a frozen grape in my Coca-Cola, that's ridiculous. 

01:24:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Why not that's? 

01:24:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
ridiculous. We're doing a blind. I'm going to get you 10 glasses of Coca-Cola. I don't drink pop. 

01:24:21 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Okay, what are you drinking? What are you drinking Water, bottled water. 

01:24:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll get 10 bottled water 10 bottled waters. 

01:24:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Some with grapes and some without. One will have a grape in there the grape. 

01:24:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The grape we could put in there for half an hour okay, done, yeah, well, I'll try to get we're gonna do this, is it a? Green grape or it doesn't matter what kind of grape is, because you don't taste the grape. 

01:24:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It could be one of the green grape, one of the purple grape. 

01:24:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sure, we'll do a red grape and a white grape, you green and purple okay I guess that's the actual color. 

01:24:48 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Yes, okay, anyways, this is my plus ev. This was actually brought up in a conversation the last night we were there. We ran into some listeners of the pod guys from BC there's a bunch of them and they were talking about the keg. And then, while we were talking about the keg which is probably exclusive to Canada, for how this Plus EV works oh, there's kegs in Arizona now. Perfect, people in Arizona can use this, but you could probably apply this to other restaurants as well. Plus EV is when they say when they come around to the table at first and they seat you, you say yes, you're there for a special occasion, of course dude For a free dessert For a free dessert. 

01:25:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's a free roll. You do that every time you book a reservation, you're always there for something. When I book a reservation, oh, reservation oh my, it's a plus, even when I book a reservation. 

01:25:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know what I put. This is the one. They're most likely to give you something if you ever go. You put anniversary. 

01:25:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, that's value because anniversary can't prove it, they can't ask you? 

01:25:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
yeah, they don't ask you for an id by the. 

01:25:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No one's asking for the id to see your birthday, but also, yeah, they can't ask you for it right anniversary is the easy move to put ah man, but it's not really good one, Zach. This might be one of the best ones you've ever given up before. 

01:25:57 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Well, this one is just like. You go to other places, you have to tell them oh, birthday, anniversary, whatever. After the fact, you have to say like, oh, we're here celebrating this, the keg. The first thing they do I started thinking about it, the first thing they do every time. Are you here for a? 

01:26:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
special occasion. 

01:26:11 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Yes, yes, every time you could get away with so much too with it, like got a promotion, graduated something, got a you know, changed jobs, whatever. 

01:26:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
One day we'll be there saying we got 10K subs on Circles Off, exactly Providing you guys actually sub to the program yeah. 

01:26:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But that's plus, even Thinking back. Also, if it's a first date as well with the girl, it's a good, it's a cool icebreaker. Near the end, you know, it's like they come with the no, no, not, not that you say it before, Like if you put it in the reso when you book the reso oh yeah. And then they just come after and they're like happy anniversary. And then you're just like, oh, what's this? Like, did you plan this? 

01:26:49 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Like you know, could go all right, we got to cut that out, got a minus ev, or you, uh yeah, minus ev, kind of piggybacking off of what, uh, what johnny was talking about with going to the casino and rob had brought up there as well, as like that night that we went and we were there till 7, 30, 7, 45 in the morning, um when, benson didn't accept our bet for 12 minutes yeah, um, I I didn't gamble for the last couple of hours like I knew what I was willing to gamble each day. 

01:27:14
I knew what I was willing to gamble each day. I knew what I was willing to lose. But the negative EV is not hanging out with your boys. You don't have to be gambling, but not hanging out with them while they're doing it, even just being a part of the crowd and just hanging out. That's a night like I will never forget being there, being a part of that, that experience. The five of us there at the tables, bouncing back and forth from one table to the next, johnny running to the cage, us placing a dgen bed at for the next day to sweat, which turned into an incredible sweat right like a full day he was sweating with us, like it just rolled over and rolled over and I got 

01:27:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
your relationship with sammy p as well, there's a bunch of people sweating with us. 

01:27:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It wasn't just sam p. 

01:27:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's like at the end of it. We're like. Yo, this is the last canadian sweating. No, because he's like. 

01:27:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We're like we're like, yo, this is the last leg, like we're gonna cash here. And then he's like, oh shit, like we actually. And then a bunch of people are just sweating with us. And then, like it was me and um and one other guy who actually had it. And then we're like, yo, well, we're, it was a good amount of money, like whatever it's for fun. Anyways, I'm like anyone who's here sweating, like all the all of our friends. I was like, oh, we'll just like free roll you guys, a thousand if it wins. 

01:28:19 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Like no, no but, like, the negative ev is that we're there, you have an opportunity to be in vegas and experience this, unless you're there for something like very specific that you can't really fuck around for, but like is not participating in those events and getting the most out of the experience, no matter what it is, even if it's not gambling, even if your friends are going out and you don't want to drink, you don't have to drink. Go out and be with your friends. Those are experiences that you may never get again or you may miss out on something that you'll remember forever. Like that I'm going to remember forever. 

01:28:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So, yeah, yeah, I also want to make it okay, but I also want to make a couple call outs. Uncle k, I want to see you there next year at the tables. Um, whatever, you don't want to bet, you don't place an ev vet, I'll free roll you. 

01:29:05 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Uncle k, come to the tables. I want to see you there uh, also just another. 

01:29:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
A couple call outs shipper and sprats. 

01:29:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I want to see you guys next year at the tables as well, rolling some craps with us I I think I met some I won't give out the name someone who's affiliated with them in in some capacity actually make for a good guest at some point. 

01:29:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We'll talk about that at another point oh, we got a ton of good guests also coming from. All right, this has been like a two-hour episode, bro, or? 

01:29:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
one question before we wrap up yeah, yeah, either of you guys take the batteries out of the. 

01:29:32 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Oh no I forgot bro no no, wow, I did not. 

01:29:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You guys, I was gonna suck the soap bro, I was gonna take the batteries and bring them here for a joke oh, that would have been good. 

01:29:44 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Some poor soul would have checked in right after you just laid down to turn on the tv. 

01:29:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, benson would have called us out. Oh, for sure he would have. For sure he would have. Appreciate everyone who tuned in. We're back next week with a guest episode gonna Going to be a good one, a person that I personally really like a lot, so tune in for that. Of course, make sure you subscribe here on Circles Off, leave a review if you can, if you're listening in audio form, and follow us on social media as well, at CirclesOffHQ, on Twitter, of course. Finally, check out Pinnacle Sportsbook. If you're in Canada, use code HAMMER to sign up. Myself, johnny, producer, zach. We'll be back next week, peace out. 

01:30:17 - Zack Phillips (Announcement)
Cheers.