00:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
You know, I see somebody eating like you know an apple fritter with some you know creme brulee or something I'm like, oh well, now I'm relaxed, that's, that's nice and, you know, comforting, as opposed to some idiot 18 year old freshman dropping a pass that just cost me you know five thousand dollars. So, yeah, that's a little easier to take. You know, seeing somebody eating some comfort food, come on, let's go. You think I'm going to come on here and put one of the Aussies in the elite tier. 

00:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'd vote for Rob of $25,000. I wouldn't vote for him. 

00:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I could basically just cheat and get the same bets that they're getting. 

00:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's weird because you can also pay your bills at the same place where you bet. I mean, you're a short guy, what? This guy talks a lot of trash. He's talked a lot of trash about me, rob, a lot of people in the community, but he's refusing to show his face. You're touting yourself as a pretty good NFL gambler. 

00:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I thought you were an idiot Say testing, testing. 

00:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm a cuck. One, two, three, four. 

00:56 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Aussies going head-to-head with the Aussies. That's what I drew before and I said get him Kirk, and they call me a mean-spirited name. I don't hang out with them. The Toronto Maple Leafs at 14-1 staring me dead in the face. 

01:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm already getting you know a lot of early this could be the best Circles Off episode that's ever been done. Welcome to Circles Off, episode number 170, right here, part of the Hammer Betting Network and presented by pinnacle sportsbook. I'm rob azzola getting geared up for football season nfl season, I should say, as we had college football start a few weeks back, cfl going on for a long time. Johnny's not in studio today, which means we get a special episode. He is part of the pair on hit the books on youtube. If you haven't checked that out, make sure you subscribe to hit the books. Just short of 5k subs right now, so put them over the top. It's uncle k, joey knish. How's it going? 

01:54 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean it feels good to be on, uh, especially after we set a live viewer hammer record this week uh, the flagship leader of the number one show on the hammer network, uh, joey k here talking to uh, you know, and excited for well, when this comes out forward, progress will already have had their debut episode. So, uh, good to be, uh, you know, the number one and two shows uh here on the network and uh, you know, gonna do, gonna chop it up this week on uh forward progress. 

02:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This year we've decided to use hitman a little bit more sparingly to try to boost the numbers. I think a little too much hitman last year, although you know what, when you have a season as bad as he did, sometimes people tune in just for that because the the fade opportunities there. Right like you, don't want a guy that goes 500 opportunity and the street. 

02:41 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean just the streak in general. It was tremendous. It was tremendous of like how many weeks in a row can you go here? I mean it's like the old WCW, you know Goldberg, where you get 150 matches in a row or something like that, where you're like how many bets in this row can this guy give out and lose? You know, on the forward progress, so yeah, that was special last year. 

03:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That old Goldberg streak. I don't know if we're dating ourselves here, but I was a huge wrestling fan during that time. Goldberg went from like 10 wins to 100 wins in like two weeks I don't know who he was fighting or where these matches were happening. 

03:12
I don't know if he fought like 10 people per house show, but it instant like they, they really built that up, and so for a guy who couldn't wrestle either, by the way, there's like no one wanted to wrestle this guy absolute jobber dropping people on their necks like injuring everyone and they decided they want to elevate this guy. I don't know the story behind that, but I do remember that very clearly, me too. 

03:34 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, that was in like the prime of my wrestling fandom and the. I mean it was like once that streak ended it was almost like the end of WCW. That was like kind of the last shtick they had going and like a year or two later they were out of business and WWE WWF kind of consolidated and took back over. 

03:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I was going to segue into being at the top and Pinnacle Sportsbook and then you said like, oh, then they went out of business like one to two years later. 

04:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We're not wishing that for our friends at. 

04:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Pinnacle Sportsbook. Two years later, we're not wishing that for our friends at Pinnacle Sportsbook. They're the world's sharpest sportsbook available to bettors in Ontario. We often preach line shopping here on Circles Off. Kanish does it as well on Hit the Books. It's one of the most critical aspects of betting. I'd never consider betting without Pinnacle as one of my sportsbook accounts because they have everyday competitive odds. So bet smart, bet Pinnacle your trusted sportsbook for the past 25 years. If you do sign up to Pinnacle in Canada, use code HAMMER, as it does. Support us here at the Hammer Betting Network so we can get some nice stuff. New studio we're building as well, coming up for football season. You must be 19 plus, available in Ontario, not available in the US. And, as always, please play responsibly for today's episode. Before we get into today's episode, I just want to say one thing that I've had you got like a number 72 from 1906 or something that you wanted to plug. 

04:57
It's 70. Already we're off the rails here. It's 70. We're not doing the numbers anymore. That's not the shtick anymore. 

05:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I'm surprised that didn't uh, that didn't stick as a as a great segment. 

05:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, I know you're saying that sarcastically. People didn't drop off. I hear here. Here's the thing I don't listen to a ton of podcasts, but I listened to some and if I hear something that I don't like or it's going down an avenue that I don't care about, I fast forward, I skip. No one was doing that during the jersey numbers, but we're getting a lot of negative feedback. It's very hard to evaluate when no one's skipping the segment, but yeah, maybe we kept that going for a little bit too long. I think we kept that going for a little bit too long. 

05:45 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I think we kept that going for a little bit too long. Well, thankfully there's only so many. 

05:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You go zero to 99, and there's only so many numbers. Well said, there's only so many numbers. Yes, just really quickly want to say something before we get into this week's episode. So we have a lot of guests here on Circles Off. Over half of the episodes we have are guest episodes and people ask all the time oh, do you vet your guests? Do you do this? You do that. We try to as much as possible. I don't want to give a platform to people who are going to, you know, openly try to scam and if they are, I'm going to ask them questions that hopefully, you know, reveal themselves as what they actually are. 

06:24
When you're working with other people in the betting space, whether that's giving accounts, getting accounts, finding originators, whatever you might be doing, do your own due diligence please. Just because we've had someone on circles off before doesn't mean they should be validated in the betting space and like, all of a sudden they're, you know, approved. And also things change in the betting space. People go broke, it happens, people bust out. You can't just trust someone because we've done a previous episode, so I did want to put that out there, because some people do dm me every now and then like, oh, I saw. I saw this guy on your show. I'm working with him now. I'm not saying don't work with people that we've had on, but do your own due diligence, because I don't want to lead people down the wrong path or anything like that. And things change in the sports betting industry as well. So just a little disclaimer there, uncle K, because-. 

07:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, no, I hear you and some of the known some very, very smart people over the years that ended up at one point or another going bust or going, you know, and it wasn't because they were stupid or didn't have an edge, it was usually a number of other things that plays in the factor, do you? This is impromptu, off the cuff. What are like? You got a few telltale signs of when you know there's, like someone you're you know, you know betting partnership, account partnership with. Of when you know there's there's an issue, kind of a red flag, we'll call it. 

07:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll say there's a couple of things that stand out to me right away. One is when somebody owes you money but they ask you to collect it from someone else. That's always like I don't want to do that. I'm dealing with you like don't send me to to a couple other people, you collect from them but you pay me that. That, to me, is the first and foremost. That's more of like. That doesn't necessarily mean someone's broke or they're what. Sometimes they just want to do it. It's annoying it's annoying. 

08:22 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It's definitely it's a one's a sign two. 

08:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's also annoying the biggest thing for me is when someone has, like, a change in behavior. Yeah, what you can tell, like if someone always pays you on x day of the week, no questions asked, and then all of a sudden they're not responding to you or they're like, ah, give me, give me a couple of days to get this sorted, usually that's a red flag right away change in behavior. So those are the two things that stand out to me. I mean, there's way more than that. It's you know, it's a it's a pretty shady industry, but I don't like having to collect from some random person that I've never interacted with before and I also am very. I can pick up when someone is like acting a little differently, even if it's over, just like a telegram message or something like that. How about you? 

09:11 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, no, there's a. You know it's funny Cause you mentioned telegram. I always like people that have their their last scene on versus last scene recently on telegram. That's when I'm I tweeted out long, long ago but like I, I not that you know, I need to know your whereabouts all the time, but the the last thing of like you can see someone is being, you know, active, all like if you're in the business, you're going to be active every day, unless you know, like I'm on a vacation or something. 

09:39
If you have someone that either hasn't been seen you know in a while or has the you know the recently is always a little bit of an inquisitive for me. Uh, just as one like a small thing. Um, also, as you're saying, yes, the, how fast you're, you're responding how, how typical does it? How many different methods like is someone usually? You know you can know if someone's good, if they're able like full balance. You know, depending on the figure, like first, if you, if you're piecemealing together like I need you know 200 for me, or you know 500 from here, can I send you this? 

10:12
You know type of weird. That's always a little bit of a clue too. Um, I don't love either and this is what. If someone this is just this is maybe a little in the weeds someone's betting their own plays and like accounts they've given me or like the is like playing a little bit of casino, that's usually an issue like that's. Someone needs a little bit too much action at that point if they're having to bet their own stuff on top of the stuff we're already playing into the account it also just sucks for accounting and record keeping purposes. 

10:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, there's always like the guy like, oh, this one, this play wasn't mine, and then they figure out yeah, it was, it was their 100 parlay that they put in or whatever. Yeah, it's uh that that that also also really, really bothers me. But, um, it is football season and we had this come via email. You can always email us circles off at the hammer dot bet. You can also dms on twitter if you're not following us on twitter, or x, sorry, at circles off hq, please do. That really helps us grow our brand as well. But you can reach out to us at any time and kyle did. 

11:22
A couple months ago was the last time we did a Q&A and we didn't include it in the Q&A because we thought, hey, maybe we can turn this into a full episode or a longer piece of content at some point. But his email said it would be nice if you guys could go through your weekly schedules for football season, specifically when do you handicap? When do you bet? Do you set aside time for personal stuff? No-transcript. You've made it very well known that you have a day job as well, which somehow you got promoted recently. I don't know how that happens considering, you know, biden's economy. 

12:24
Yeah, I mean listen, if anyone knows where Knish works and they want to short the company, I would probably suggest that that's a decent idea right now, as he's working his way up the corporate ladder. But let's do this. Let's just do this exercise because I think it's interesting for people out there. So let's start with a Sunday, and Knish is predominantly a college football better, but he does bet other stuff as well. I'm predominantly an NFL better, so Sundays are pretty hectic for me. But Sunday morning, kanish, you're coming fresh off college football. Saturday NFL's on the horizon for you. What is your Sunday looking like? Is it NFL-focused for you, or is your Sunday looking like? Is it NFL focused for you, or are you waiting for those openers to come for college football games? Like, how quickly are you betting? Walk me through a Sunday during football season. 

13:16 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So, first thing, like it's funny because I used to during COVID, I would stay up, you know, very, very late. Now, you know, I've had a bit of a schedule change where I'm kind of going to bed earlier, waking up much earlier, um, but the I mean, I'm sorry, how recent was that change? 

13:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
because we called you on thanksgiving last year and you for a pick and you were within the last year. Yeah, no, I know unfortunately. 

13:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty recent because you know joey corporate had to even go back to the office and you know a few days a week. So yeah, it's. You know now I'm early morning, you know schmuck, but no, so Sunday usually starts out around I'm up around 730. The first thing I'll do is do like a complete like box score review, especially of the games that I might like if I'm going to bed. You know 10, 30, 11,. There's a number of games that finish after Check. You know 10, 30, 11. There's a number of games that finish after Check the scores, check the figures, check the boxes, like all the things to find out. Because you know I may not be doing like key origination but I want to be able to give informed college football opinion. So it's also checking where a lot of the lines closed the day before checking you know the box scores and that. And even now our partner on hit the books, uh, fan duel, our show partner there in some cases they'll have games up already. So like I'll give it. 

14:34
This sunday I woke up to a number of texts from people already looking to get down on some stuff. Um, so it might be me trying to even for first thing in the morning, fill, uh, you know, some smaller orders on that type of stuff, that would be. That's. That's a couple of the first couple hours. And I would say, you know, that's kind of like a, you know 8am to maybe 10am. Then I would say the next is, you know, if I'm going to try to like walk the dog, maybe take half hour, walk the dog, you know, do something to kind of try and like get a little bit of outside of off of the phone for off of the screen for a minute, and then it's really gearing into Circa opens at what would be around 130 Eastern this time. So for the most part, nfl is I might look before. 

15:22
Most of my NFL positions are either, you know, like, if I'm looking for maybe do I want to have like a quarter unit middle, I have unit middle or something that's most of my like I'll usually build a big position and middle some back on, like right before if I'm going to do something, just NFL centric, review the board from that like hour before NFL leads up, see, if I want to, you know, buy off any positions, take some, I'll shave some off, something like that. 

15:47
Then for the most part it's, I'll have red zone in the background, but I'm really prepping for that circa release and now you know that's usually 1.30 or 2 pm and then the number of other books follow within the hour or two after that. So I'll have red zone on, be kind of, you know, be checking that out, watching it. You know, casually, if there's a Lions game on might have, you know, a double screen up, have the Lions, have one thing. But most of the day kind of is then spent getting ready for the college football, like opening line week, and then getting whatever liquidity I can on that opener stuff to get in on Sunday and that takes me through what I would call the late afternoon and then I'll try and kind of like unplug past, I don't know, call it 6 o'clock once everybody and then you know enjoy like a Sunday night game or something. 

16:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So if the Lions have like a 1 pm local start Eastern, you might actually not catch most of your favorite team if you're reacting to those openers at that time. 

16:50 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
There's definitely like a good hour where I'll have to be like locked. I might have it on the TV but I can't be locked in on it. So it'll be something where I might go back and like I'll always have it recorded or something I'm like if it's of intrigue, like I miss something, I'll go back and watch. If not catch the highlights or something. But yeah, that's kind of the sacrifice you make or is. 

17:12
Also, I know a number of people like I don't know how much nfl live betting you know you do, but it also kind of takes away the the live betting opportunity I have from, uh, you know, a Sunday perspective of on NFL and I do so much like college Saturday is so hectic that it's I'm kind of I need a little bit of that like structured day, you know routine day on Sunday that I kind of know what I'm doing, as opposed to like being, you know, locked in just like, yeah, you know spring screen, jason, or live betting or any of that. So it's a little bit more structured Sunday, a little bit more chaotic Saturday. 

17:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right. Sunday for me is quite different because, and especially very different from what a recreational, better Sunday might look like. Like what my friends do on Sunday they're getting up early in the morning, they're turning on, you know, nfl Network, espn. They're getting ready to fire all the bets that they're going to fire for the week on. 

18:13
Sunday. By this point on Sunday when I wake up, like it's extremely unlikely I'm going to play a major market side or total on Sunday. And for those that don't know why, I mean candidly I don't really have an ego when it comes to betting the NFL. I do this to make money. I know that Pinnacle on Sunday mornings is taking quite a pop and I don't really need to bet into markets that I think are super efficient at that point. With that said, sometimes you get some breaking news on Sunday mornings and that's going to affect the point spread and if you can get down on that right away, that's worth it. But I don't want to bet into the largest limits of the week. So I'm usually up around 9 am on a Sunday, earlier in the year, first few weeks of the season it's probably earlier than that. Earlier in the year, first few weeks of the season it's probably earlier than that. As the year goes on, the grind becomes harder for me and it makes it more challenging for me to get up early in the morning. So maybe by end of season it's like 9.30, 10 o'clock because I'm like ah, you know, the alarm hits and it's like another week of getting up and most of that time I'm actually using to prep for content. I do the pizza buffet 11 to 12 on the Forward Progress YouTube channel every single week and I'm just making sure that I'm like up to date on what might've happened on Saturday night with line moves Sunday morning. Honestly, I'm a content guy on Sunday morning all the way up until 12 o'clock. I've chosen that for myself. I really enjoy it. Honestly, there's a pretty good group of people that joins me every Sunday morning. I like it. But I don't want to lie and be like I'm doing all this betting stuff on Sunday mornings because I'm not. 

19:55
Now, as soon as I log off of Pizza Buffet 12 to 1, I'm going ham on betting props top-down approach. So right now I'm using the BetStamp Pro tool that was in beta for a long time and now is going to be widely available. More details are coming on that in the next few weeks, but I'm just. I'm finding off-market numbers wherever I can. I'm trying to bet as much volume as I possibly can at that time and literally I'm going right up until game time, like till 1258. I give myself two minutes to run down in the basement and turn on red zone. That's like that's it. I don't eat lunch at that time. I I I eat lunch at the start of the one o'clock games, but one to to like four, four, 30 early games. 

20:44
That is pure enjoyment for me. That's where I say pure enjoyment. It's oftentimes not enjoyment if you if you've ever seen the witching hour on red zone, but I like to just watch the games as a fan, and this is like the biggest grief I get from other people. There's all these live betting edges that you can have, and you know life is short Might as well. Enjoy some of your time. I love watching the early slate NFL. Not even looking at live lines, not live trading, anything like that. On a couch at home in comfort, order a pizza, do whatever I'm going to do. That to me is the absolute best. Three to four hours of every single week, one to 4.30. 

21:32
Once the early games end depends on my mood of how those went, but things could go very differently for the late games. Usually I will head to my office upstairs and what I start to do is the exact same thing that Kanish does. Maybe on the Sunday morning I'll review all the box scores of the early games, just so that I'm like I kind of am prepped and understand what transpired in those early games, because when you're watching on red zone, you're only capable of watching so much. You get the key plays. You might not get the gist of the entire game. So I want to know what I'm talking about later on at night and I want to be as immersed in the league as possible. So I'll have red zone up on my TV. But I'm kind of distracted and I'm watching a lot of the. I'm reviewing the box scores from the early games and stuff like that. So that happens eight o'clock at night. 

22:28
I got my Sunday night football live watch along. I sit at my desk, I watch the game, people watch me watch the game, which sounds insane, honestly, like imagine when I was young. It's like, yeah, one day people are going to watch me watch an NFL game. But that's what happens. I roll through the openers as they come in. I don't bet them, but I give my opinions on them and these are purely based off of gut feel what I think numbers should be. I don't have any model numbers available to me, but that's it. That's my Sunday. It's pure NFL chaos from 9 am till midnight when that Sunday night game ends. As soon as that Sunday night game ends, I'm actually still so wired that I can't sleep right away. Sometimes I'll go for a run right afterwards, sometimes I'll just review some more box scores and stuff like that, but it is truly a 9 to 12, 15-hour day for me, from start to finish, with pretty much no break Chaos. 

23:32 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
That you know it's funny because you said that like I have to actively make a choice to like step away on that Saturday night now, away on that saturday night now, or or the same thing. Like there would be times where if I'm gonna, you know, I'm like I'm sweating these like pack 12 after dark, or, you know, rest in peace, pack 12 of like, and then it's, you know, it would be go to like one, two in the morning and, as you said, like you got action on these games. You bet you can't just like, oh well, now I'm relaxed and gonna go to bed. No, I'm, I'm fried, my, my phrase is frazzled. Like I need to go, like, yeah, I have a walk, and like you know, to drink like a cold water or something here, just to like calm down. 

24:13
So, yeah, that was uh. Like I usually will try and take like 30 minutes before I'm actually gonna like be planning to be, and I'll put on some like mindless, like HGTV food, not something that gets me out, cause I can't just go from like watching in, like sweating a game, to then like, oh well, you know I'm going to go. I never understood. It's like the people that fall asleep on airplanes are, like we told her, like the people that can just like boom, like fall, like you know, like, oh, I like my dad Like he puts his head back and he's sleeping. That ain't me so like I have to have like a real, like a wind down and a routine that if I'm watching games, I can't do it. 

24:53
Yep, little, uh property brothers, uh, maybe some yeah yeah, bobby, you know, yep, yeah, or uh, yeah, diners, drive-ins and dives. Give me a little guy for your hair. Yeah, babe, like I want, you know, like that's what I need to like, be like, oh all right, you know, I see somebody eating, like you know, an apple fritter with some you know creme brulee or something I'm like, oh well, now I'm relaxed, that's nice, and you know, comforting5,000. So, yeah, that's a little easier to take. You know, seeing somebody eating some comfort food. 

25:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know how you do that. Honestly, that gets me even more like I just get food cravings then and I want to go out and like hit a McDonald's drive-thru or something like that. 

25:36
I can't do that, I don't know. Yeah, it's just, it's tough for me to come down off of that day. You would figure like, oh, it's such a long day you'd be exhausted by then. I don't know, it doesn't, doesn't happen for me. So I'm usually up pretty late on on Sundays, but I try to make the time that I'm up valuable, like if I'm up the next another hour or two, like I said, I might go for a run exercise. If not and I'm still at my desk, I'm gonna make sure that I'm doing stuff to prep for the week for NFL. That's like just some without getting into too much detail, you know, starting to get things set up for the upcoming week. So I'm ready to go on Monday and Tuesday. 

26:16
From a betting perspective, if I wasn't in the position that I'm in now, which is frankly just like being a good better I probably would devote my Sunday nights to hitting the openers. I think there's a lot of value in doing that and just kind of waiting for things to pop up, get some of the early numbers out of the way. There's some pretty substantial moves on Sunday night on those openers in a lot of cases. So that's likely what I would do and I think that for a lot of people who are out there, um, that they don't really have like a process for NFL. I would encourage you to to probably bet on Sunday night for the upcoming week. 

26:54
I know some people are like, ah well, what happens? Injuries, this injuries that I mean. Sometimes injuries work in your favor, sometimes they work against you. Like it balances out in the long run. So that's my Sunday, uh, monday for you. Kanish, what's going on? I mean that I, you're going to work in the morning, are you? Are you how does? Is it a work from home day? How does, uh, how does that work out for you? 

27:14 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
so monday I work from home, uh, it's usually I start out and I'll try and get like as soon as I wake up. I've been trying to like just get out of bed and like go for a swim, go for like a row, do some type of physical activity, because that's when, like I'm my most yike, is like right, getting out of bed, like that's when I'm the most like, you know, have the most energy. I'm, you know, a little spazzed out just to be as a natural personality. So I need to get like so and not be trying not to look at my phone to see if I have like any emails, telegram, dms, any of that stuff to check, and then do something physical for to kind of get that out. 

28:00
Some responsibilities that I have for meetings, but also the moving for um, you know if I've got to be able to like there's some services that release on Monday, uh, that you know I'll be taking part in those releases. Um, watching the board too, you know just to kind of have a always have a screen up to see kind of what's moving. Do I know who's moving it and that um, and then that kind of, you know, usually I will always, I almost always end up at a casino or two on almost what would be a daily basis during the weekday. So that's usually. I will make my center, my run up around, like how my timing works when the workday ends. That type of thing we know, you know when a meeting on or something. So it'll be anywhere between 4 and usually 7 pm. Um, and obviously not. We have hit the book show on five at five, so I gotta do for you at like 5, 10, right, yeah? 

28:58
yeah, depending on yeah 50, you know 508. 

29:00
50, you know, for zach and brad, it's five, you know 508. 508 for zach and brad, it's five, you know 455. For us, you know me, it's a flexible, but so I gotta work my way around that run um and also make sure that like I, you know I've usually done, we don't do, I won't say you we don't do like pre-show meeting or any of that, but I'll come in with like making sure I know all but you know, like a little bit of review maybe. Maybe there's there was a game, big game I wasn't able to actually watch too much of. We'll watch like a highlights or something like that. And so the casino run for the kiosking or the counter will be either at four or at like 630. We've hit the books in between there. 

29:39
And that's not just college football, that's some of the other stuff, like right now, football. That's some of the other stuff like right now, like. I'll give you an example last week friday was um a like it was some last minute college football, some college football props, some wmba for the weekend, some motorsports, uh, for for for the weekend, and so it's not just like college football, I can't that like. There's other people that I'm working with that want their fill for their sports. So we'll have to go down. 

30:10
I usually try and do that in the first part of the evening and then get home and during a football season, like usually those night, I love the night games Cause I can just kind of like, as you're saying, with that, like I will just, especially on a Monday night, football or something I'll just get home at like seven to eat something and then just kind of take, casually, take in that as a fan where we're like the night games are one where, like I'm trying, especially those standalone, actually just enjoy the game and not be doing anything like too insane or going crazy with it or any of that, and enjoy. If you guys got, you know, if we got to watch along or something, I'll tune in for that on the the monday night halftime, just, uh, you know, maybe throw some trolling around or that or just see what's going on that. But um, that's kind of pretty much the the schedule again very routine orientated, like, where there's everything's pretty set in stone. I'm kind of bouncing thing the thing on a Monday. 

31:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is going to be a very weird year for me for Monday. So ordinarily every Monday in the past I would call it film day, where I actually go back and watch a lot of the Sunday games in full, especially ones where the box score might not have matched the final score. I do like to watch a lot of football and there are some people who are like, ah, you know, watching the games is a waste of time. I very much disagree with that. I think watching football, if you can, I mean for some people it can be a detriment. I think a lot of people can get like they develop biases and I think if you're more open-minded it's a little bit easier. But Monday typically would be a film day for me. It's not going to be this year. You can call me corporate pizza man this year as well. But I got a lot of work stuff on Mondays. I lead a standup for the Hammer on Monday mornings 9 am. Gotta make sure Zach producer Jason Moreto like these, gotta keep these guys in line, make sure they know what they're doing for the week. No one's messing around Got to have the same vision for everyone. So we run through that meeting. Then I basically have to drive downtown from my house, 45 minutes from my residential neighborhood, to our office in downtown Toronto, a couple blocks from the Rogers Center, and we got some new content that we're recording this year four circles off which we record on Mondays at noon, and one editor's got to go around and turn that, chop it up, turn it around in a day, get it out on Tuesday mornings. So we're recording that on noon. I'm very excited about that. I don't actually want to like other than just teasing that we're going to have some new content. I don't really want to spoil it, but I think it's going to be a big hit. I really do think that this is a gap in market that we're going to be servicing, so we've got to record that. Then I got to record Circles Off right afterwards which is going to be cut up by Zach, released on Thursday, but we're recording that on Mondays. That's a lot of recording in a day. 

33:10
In between those I do have other commitments. I have to film pinnacle educational videos. I have to film promotional stuff. I do like to watch Hit the Books at five. I hate to say it, but I actually do find the show very entertaining. I can't. I hate to say it, but I actually do find the show very entertaining. So that's in the schedule as well. 

33:28
I have a live watch along that I'm doing from the office here on Mondays, 8 to 12. That hour leading up to the live watch along, there's a lot of prep work. I'm betting a lot of top-down props. I'm getting ready to bet props that I'm gonna give out on the show as well. It's another chaotic day, so I'm gonna lose the film day this year, but at this point in life, I've obviously am doing a lot of content. I think that it's the best decision for me in terms of growing my net worth and value, because I think what we're doing is is very different and I want to lean into it. So Mondays are, it's absolute chaos. Once again, I don't know when when my meals are going to come on this day. 

34:13 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't think people realize and I did not realize this until I filled in for on you Better, you Better during the early days of you Better, you Better, like filled in as a guest host sometimes how much like three or four hours of content can take out of you Like it sounds like kind of ridiculous if you've never done it. It's like, oh, you're just talking sports. It's like not like you got to be locked. It's not this casual conversation where you could be like quiet for 30 minutes and then chime in or something or be, you know, a little disengaged around your place, like no, no, no, you've got to be locked in, like literally talking with, like bringing up points and bringing up dad and kind of racking your brain and engage for like hours on end, which is quite mentally draining. 

34:58
If you, if you've never done like I, would get off those you better, you bet shows and be like, oh my god, like I. But I just want to like lay on the couch right now like I'm smoked. Um, it's, yeah, it's, it's more than you'd think, not like. And again, if you're out there like you know, I don't know, working in uh, you know you're working on an oil rig or something you're probably like oh, these fucking, you know I don't know working in. You know you're working on an oil rig or something You're probably like oh, these fucking, you know two pussies. You know talking about how hard. 

35:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know talking about how hard talking sports is. 

35:26 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, like, oh, you know the white collar over here, but it is. I mean it's not for everybody. I could say that Like it's a hard. I mean that's why I respected, like Nick and Ken, for doing like four hours a day or that type of show. Every day is is a grind. 

35:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Last year when I did the Superbowl prop show, I did five hours straight live. Yeah, that that feels like 24 hours. Like you get to the halfway point and you're like I don't think I could do this half. How am I going to get out of doing the rest of this? It's challenging. I think part of it it depends on the person People who have never done content before. 

36:08
My desire is to create good content, right, and I think that there's some preparation that's involved in creating good content. I could show up any given week and do a circles off episode off the top of my head. Wouldn't be very good. I could go show up, do a forward progress one hour, you know, market breakdown of what's going on in the NFL. I could probably do it well, but there's ways to do it better and I think that I'm just very invested in doing content quote-unquote the right way. And when you do that, it does take a lot out of you because there's a lot of prep, the show itself, there's a lot of that. But my Tuesday becomes pretty easy, or a lot easier. I would say sunday. Monday back to back is is, you know, start to finish, go, go, go, go. Tuesday's easier what's your tuesday look like? 

37:03 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
tuesday. So now tuesday's, uh, I'm, I'm in office tuesday mostly. Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, um, and that is, you know, because we were, we were out of office for, like, working from home for a long yucky years like, multiple like. It was about four years, um, and so when, oh like, it was about eight or nine, six, seven or eight months ago now, uh, we've been back to a hybrid schedule, um, and that is challenging. Uh, it's not not challenging from the aspect of it's like, but where I'm still having to, you know, answer messages and if people want to get in, you know, maybe, making sure we're, you know getting down for them along with, you know, in-person meetings and just the more socialization that comes with being, you know, in, you know a corporate environment and that, um, again, it's a, uh, like I said, a white collar job, so it's not like I, you know I got multiple screens at my desk, so it's not like they're, you know, can't maintain what's going on. 

38:09
Uh, beyond like, I think, if you're a like, if you work at a restaurant, or if you're a mechanic or something where you like, there's those jobs where you like you can't be on your phone or look at a computer for, you know six, seven, eight hours or more straight. 

38:25
You, you can never, you can never do this. Thankfully, I you know a position where I'm on you know my phone or the screen all the time anyway, um, but it's just, it's uh, it's a lot of interaction mixed with having to, you know, be checking your phone and then. So I'll usually, like sometimes I'll take my lunch hour and go on like a you know a kiosk or, uh, you know a run to get down almost every day after work, like when I'm getting leaving the office, uh, cause I work downtown, the casinos are downtown, so I'm stopping at one or two or three after work to get some fills then, and then usually getting home roughly you know six o'clock in that, getting a little bit to eat, and then you don't use your casino comps to get the steak and lobster at the casinos. 

39:17
Well, unfortunately there's a couple that I no longer get comps at, most of the. So if you're, you know I, I understand you know. If you're a, if you're a slot, a for a slot, ap guy, you know you be racking it up. You probably haven't paid for a meal in years. Unfortunately, the sports betting uh they, you know that the ap sports betting is not. They don't let you have to run the comps up too much. So no, unfortunately, I'm usually getting something there around six. I'll come home, go, take the dog for a long walk and then then kind of chill into the evening and if I have any, that's when I'm usually trying to get back to. People have gotten me. You wanted to like have a longer conversation during the day that I couldn't be just answered by a text or a DM or something like that. That's when I'll kind of go through all that and try and clear off anything that might take a phone call or that type of thing. 

40:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Got it my Tuesdays much more relaxed. This is the first time that I'm going to put together a number for the week, so first thing I'm going to do in the morning is I'm going to run my numbers on all the games for the upcoming NFL week. It's pretty late for some people and again, I would advise you to do this process earlier if you can. Our group doesn't really bet. The majority of our bets are Wednesday through Friday over the course of the week. Sometimes on Tuesday, if we think that a number number is gonna go and it's not gonna come back at a certain point, we'll bet it out on Tuesday as well. But first thing I'm gonna do Tuesday mornings is run. My model Now could be if you're out there, you might spend that time handicapping or whatever. For me it's a very mindless process. Click a button, numbers, get output. Then I'm gonna do a first pass through them and take a quick look and be like well you know what. This one obviously doesn't make sense. Something's going on there. Sometimes you gotta do some troubleshooting. But that's gonna be the numbers portion of the morning. 

41:12
10 am I have a weekly meeting with my betting group and that's where we all share our opinions with one another on the games. We kind of talk through, literally go rotation, number order, we talk it through. Sometimes one guy might be really adamant about something and the rest of the group is neutral. Sometimes people go head to head and they disagree and sometimes we'll actually bet against each other within the same group. It actually does happen every now and then. But we talk through the entire board and we come up with a game plan which is we're looking to bet this, this is the price we're going to get. Uh, we like this side, but it's not quite the price that we want right now. So let's set a line alert, uh, for the price that we would need to bet it, and we work through every single one of those and it's basically a plan of attack for the week and that's going to get. That's going to get messed up, uh, fairly quickly every single week because people bet into the Tuesday. Market lines move, but we like to have a general plan of attack. Uh, going through that, I'm also going to consume a ton of content on Tuesday, anything that was produced on Monday from anyone I respect or, honestly, even if I don't respect them. 

42:19
But they might have a good show, entertaining, might have some like random valuable tidbits in a podcast as well. I do consume a lot of that stuff just because it gives me something to do over the course of Tuesday afternoon. But for the most part Tuesday afternoon we're going to figure out if we want to bet something. We're going to monitor the market. There's a lot of substantial releases on Monday, tuesday Right Angle Sports, joey Toons, telegram Cleave, ta, hitman. You know all this stuff moves market in some way or another. So just kind of assembling all that information, figuring out why stuff moved. And that's really it for the Tuesdays. It's a nice relaxed day. Might play some Twilight Golf as well, if I can, until those winters come around and then that's off the table. But really just at my desk for as much as I can be at and then relax for the rest of the evening. 

43:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, it's funny, no, you, I, you that was a good mention, cause I will I do the same thing. I'm not really looking to consume content for picks per se, but there are some college football shows, uh, that I'll listen to exactly for the same thing, for for pieces of them, and get those in when I can, whether it be when I'm driving on the word or like if I have you know an hour where I'm just working on a spreadsheet or something, have the earbuds in and trying, you know, consume the content, then trying to figure out any other like information I can get for the week that comes from you know some other sources that that I could pick up on. I agree, it is kind of something that there's a few it's not a ton, but a few traditional pieces that I'll listen to. That keeps me as up on the happenings as possible. 

44:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Early on in the season. It's very important for me to do some sort of profiling, so to speak. When is this person going to typically be releasing plays? Are they typically on the same sides or totals? Do I agree with them or am I regularly opposed to them? All of that information, in my opinion, needs to be processed at the scale that I'm at, and if you're not doing that, you could probably still win, but I would believe that you're leaving money on the table, right? Yep, there are situations where I know with certainty that another respected better is going to be opposite me, so I could wait for them to bet into market. I could reach out to them directly and be like hey, listen, we like opposite sides of this game. Let's just take the midpoint price and we'll have a bet with one another Instead. A lot of that would happen on Tuesday afternoon, but then we get into Wednesday and that becomes like that's the media circus day for me. 

45:14 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Kanish media circus day for me, kanish, you know it's funny, because Wednesday is it's funny, like I would say a little bit more like your Tuesday, where you know a lot of the college football stuff is. It's heavily moving Monday and Tuesday. Then there's a bit of a lull sometime on that Wednesday, thursday, before, like you know, before the biggest syndicates come in on a Friday or a Saturday morning type of thing. So my Wednesday is typically a bit more relaxed. From a betting standpoint, I would say a lot of the positions that I'm getting down for people are filled by Wednesday evening. There'll be some adders, at least least FBS stuff, as it goes on. But for the most part it's pretty tied up by Wednesday and that's usually the day. 

46:10
If I have to be at a different you know I had a different location for work that Wednesday is the day. It's a day I schedule. You know a ton of meetings as well. If I need to meet with somebody for that week it's got the meeting. It's usually by my most meeting day. 

46:24
So definitely a more lean on the corporate side of things day, but almost always still we'll have some daily stuff, whether it be, you know, wnba or you know if it's, depending on the season, uh, some other stuff outside of football. They're gonna go fill and get a piece of um after the day runs up, so, but wednesday's a little bit more relaxed um, but not, it's definitely not a. It's not quiet really during the myth. Yeah, I would say there's almost no day during the midst of football season where it's like, where it's like a summer day, you know, like I have a few weeks ago it might be like, yeah, you know, uh, uh, you know where saturday I might just be, you know laying outside for a few hours, you know, getting the sun. There's no day like that, like I, I'm going in with the consciousness, the consciousness that for like the next three months there really won't be a you know quote unquote chill, relaxed, all you know lounge day. 

47:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yep, I'm, I'm with you, like I. I literally put this in my account. Maybe we'll I'll actually share a picture of my calendar. We can insert this afterwards, zach. But I book out nine to 10 AM on Wednesday for exercise, zach, but I book out 9 to 10 am on Wednesday for exercise. Like I actually have to slot it into my calendar because if I don't I'll either sleep in or I will wake up and I will be like I got to get to something else right away and it won't happen. So I put that in there. 

47:50
But Wednesday I do forward progress, best bets, three o'clock in the afternoon. Soon as I'm done that show I record with Suma, which is a Thursday night football preview. Afternoon. Soon as I'm done that show, I record with Suma, which is a Thursday night football preview. Soon as I'm done that I record a show that goes on Mayo Media Network with with Pat Mayo and Cam Stewart, which is more of like an entertaining show. So the time goes by like that, but I do you better. You bet, or I'm planning to this year, on Wednesdays as well, I do Miami radio with Mark Hockman and Channing Crowder. So like between three and eight o'clock. 

48:21
It's all media and I have to use that gap before there usually like 10.30 to two o'clock, to do all my content prep and basically what I do is I set up literally a Word document and I make a case for every single team or total that I like and just bullet points so that when I'm doing my media I can quickly refer to them and I have my case built out like a lawyer would build out. So I go through my model, I try to understand why it spit out this number, why it's higher on this team than market, and I just fill all that stuff in and I spend a lot of time doing that. But I I really like the process, honestly, even though it's it's work. I'm at my desk, I just go through the games, but as part of that as well, I'm very cognizant of okay, I'm going to be doing a lot of media today and giving out a lot of picks. I have to bet this stuff before I do, yeah, and I do my best I honestly do to not move the screen, not hit the screen at all, try to bet stuff as quietly as possible. Nine times out of ten we're able to accomplish that. Sometimes it leaks and if it does, then I just don't give it out as a pick afterwards. I'm not like the guy that bets something at minus three, it moves to minus three and a half and then I go do all my content and give it out at minus three and a half. I don't do that. 

49:46
I place a lot of importance on giving people actionable information and bets bets that I would make at that time or have made at the exact numbers that are there. But that creates like two to three every day on every Wednesday is like again, I've used the word chaos a lot in this episode, but it is. It's like we got, we got to bet this stuff. Like I'm good, my partner's like what are you giving out as best bets on forward progress? We got to bet this. And I will say also, before it comes up in the comments of this episode I don't front run this stuff at all. 

50:22
Like I don't have someone waiting to click oh, rob's gonna give out this bet. They're gonna click it at pinnacle for what. That happens organically, which I'm honestly it's flattering that it does that someone, someone's willing to, just you know, hit pinnacle for 10K when I give out a play Great, I mean, everyone could bet with their own money. But I'm very, very I'm real when it comes to the betting stuff. So I try to get my fills for all the stuff I'm going to talk about that day and if we're ready to go on it, we go on it. Then I go into the rounds of media and then, like by 8 o'clock at night, I'm just you know you'll find me in a coma basically afterwards. 

51:06 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Do you find so this is kind of a psychology like do you find it, even when you've done something like had that type like a little difficult to unplug? Like if I've had a really busy day where it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Even when I get home, it's still like I kind of you still feel like you're a little bit in the ring and it's it's you can't just like flip that switch necessarily and it's like boom, like I might be a little burnt out but my mind's still going you know what I'm saying. Like physically I might be feeling drained, but up up in the up here the gears are still churning with a lot of like, you know, reviewing the segment, what do I got to do tomorrow? There's any other stuff that you know happen to go down, you know. 

51:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
so it's definitely a little hard to to gear down it's tough to turn it off, because when I'm doing my content like for progress, I'm hosting. But it doesn't matter what content I'm doing, I'm always paying attention. Like the biggest pet peeve of mine is the guy who's doing content and he's like searching something else on his computer. He's on his phone, you know, doing some sort of chat. I hate that, I hate watching that and I hate being on shows with people who do that. So I'm I'm paying attention. That creates a problem like especially Wednesdays you're doing, I'm doing content from three to eight. Basically I'm missing all the initial practice reports. 

52:30
Now, luckily, my partners are going to summarize all that for me in like a WhatsApp or Tele telegram chat, but I have to review that afterwards and guess what, like I might get. Wednesday during nfl season, we got a forward progress telegram chat all of our creators on forward progress. If I don't, if I'm offline, so to speak, for four or five hours, I'm gonna come back to like 200 messages in that group yeah so I'm now catching up. 

52:56
I'm watching tv with my wife at night and you know I'm on my phone like trying to go through. I'm trying to balance things as much as possible, but there's only limited time. I just I just don't like to multitask Like I. I think that when, when people multitask, they just don't do like, they do both things poorly at the end. 

53:16
I like to move on from one thing to another, but it doesn't. It doesn't end on wednesdays, uh, thursdays, uh. Is is easier again because by that point we would have bet a lot of stuff that I would have bet on on wednesday already. Thursday morning I do physio every week because, frankly, I mean, I'm like a 38 year old man and like a 60 year old's body, like my back is shot, I play like two rounds of golf, I can't move, like I need the physio every week. It's important to take care of your body. But then the rest of the day I basically have freedom, until the Thursday night football live watch. Along. That I do from my own home office. So between that I'm on the computer but I'm just kind of immersed in what's going on. Right, got an odd screen up in front of me seeing what's moving. What can I bet for? Thursday night football, all that stuff. I can work at my own pace, which is nice. 

54:09 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, and you know, because I was going to ask you this and it's good to just lead in as you brought it up this is where I could never be a true 20 all year round top down, better of what you said right there of like the guys. That to me that is not. It's funny because I used to, you know, back in the day and spanky used to, you know, sometimes we throw some, some barbs and stuff and like the idea that that was freedom from like not having to have a traditional job or anything, and it's like no, if you want, if you're a top down guy, most of the like, the actual like, that's all they do. Top down guys, you're in front of the screen like 8 to 12 hours a day, sometimes more, depending on the day, or if you have a. You know, usually, you know, uh, I remember haroot and drew, you know well, like one of they. You know they do almost like back and forth when they were first starting out, 12 hour shifts one guy do 12, the other guy do the other 12, and so that was never so. 

55:11
I I try, we worked this is years and years ago, but was like during college basketball started. I was on a little bit of a work from home period and I was like, all right, I'm gonna actually like try to do some like top and I you know for for when the screen was moving every morning for college basketball and I knew that wasn't for me, I I did it for a few weeks and I was like this is miserable, there's no way I could do this all day, every day, especially during the premium seasons, like I, I could not be so. I, I ever. I know people like, ah, yeah, yeah, steam chaser top down. I have a little bit of respect for that, almost in the same of like the content realm, of like people doing four or five hours of content is insane. Doing that every day to earn a living is I. I don't know how people do it. 

56:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's pros and cons to every approach. At this point in my betting career, I bet a more top down than I ever have in my life because I'm in ontario. We have a lot of sports books which we can bet into, um, which is nice. Um, you still have your offshore markets, pph as well, but there's lots of opportunity available. Um. I I like nba season last year. 

56:26
I don't bet the nba, but I could find literally 30 good bets that I could make in 15 minutes top down approach to NBA props and it could be at any time in the day. That's one of the advantages of top-down, by the way, as well. It's like I could just be at my desk for 20 minutes and I can rip a bunch of bets and I'm set and I can move on with the rest of the day and I have no fear of missing out at that point. Whereas if I'm originating, I'm kind of at my desk and I'm you know I'm I'm waiting for news and this and that I I see the allure to that method. I don't and this is just personal for me. I don't find it like challenging and that I like the idea of beating, I like the idea of handicapping and originating it and and putting an effort to beat a sport, um it's. It's harder to do than ever, in my opinion, because there's so much more money on the early markets nowadays, but that appeals to me. 

57:27
With that said, I mean I, I top down a bunch of NFL props, like Thursday at the hour before my live watch alongs Sunday night football, monday night football, thursday night football I'm top betting. I probably will end up with like I'm not exaggerating 30 to 40 player props in that time. And then I go on air and I give my actual opinions, stuff that I've run on my own model. But yeah, because I can't give those out on air, I can't be like, oh, just go ahead and play that, it doesn't work. But yeah, I cause I can't give those out on air, it can't be like, oh, just go play that, go, it doesn't work. But yeah, I don't know it's um, it, it. It's definitely more work than people let like it was. Very, these, these people were diminished for a long time. Right, ah, you're a steam chaser, this and that, and I get it, cause they're they're, you're piggybacking off of other people's work. But there is an art to it as well. 

58:20 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
There's definitely an art form to it and it's just a grind Like it's a. It's not a. What's that? Stupid saying A hard way to earn an easy living, or whatever you want to call it like that. I mean, yes, you can make some real good money doing it, but I agree with you from the standpoint of that was not ever appealing to me, of, like how I wanted to spend my day. 

58:47
Right now is probably the least amount of top-down that I've ever done. There's probably only even a little bit on Saturdays that I'll do, only even a little bit on Saturdays that I'll do. But some of that is it took a lot of years to find good people to help get their stuff. You know to move good stuff. So I have the confidence now where I'm moving for a lot of, you know, talented people, people that win, people that try, and we've built up relationships over the years where I you know I don't need to be, you know, during a lot of times during, you know, uh, when I was working from home like I would just have it up now, it kind of allowed me some additional freedom to not have to do that um to earn or feel, feel like I have to do that, to earn, you know additional sources or get in front of numbers or something like that. 

59:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's a little different. It's different, I will say. It has gotten me into sport. I haven't been an NBA fan since the Raptors won the NBA title, but I'm back into it now. College football man. I'm betting player props in college football. I'm turning on these random games like rooting for a rushing touchdown from the court. I'm it's fun, like it's it's fun to have, it's fun to win at sports betting, but it's also fun to like accumulate good positions and then be able to cheer for them. 

01:00:12 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
In my opinion, that that is not that's's very well put I hate to give you that credit but that there is a a a real like fun and joy and feeling like you're, I don't know, maybe like an ego boost of like accumulating good positions and feeding people to lines, or getting like there's something there where it's like, even even if the result on the on the back end maybe isn't going to be in your favor some days, and all that. But, like man, we got a great you know portfolio built today. Or, like man, I like crushed those lines this week. So, yeah, there's definitely an enjoyment to that, sometimes even more so than like I don't watch. This is where I'm like from. We're both football guys, you know. Like I, even though you watch a little bit more nfl, I watch a little bit more college. Are you, during football season, watching any other sport? 

01:01:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, I will occasionally watch a hockey game, but because I also bet, I bet hockey heavily, yeah, yep, um, and I, I want to be in tune with the sport, but no, it's always. Football is number one. Even though I bet more on hockey. Football is number one, even as that's going on, because I have such an obsession with the sport relative to hockey. 

01:01:28 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, no, I'm with you because I, even if I bet some move some NHL, as well move some other stuff. That's going on. Who's NHL are you moving? 

01:01:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Move some other stuff that's going on. Who's NHL are you moving? It can't be good. 

01:01:40 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Let's be real. Oh listen, it's good. I can't believe you don't know this. 

01:01:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm looking for some crossing partners for this year, so we might have to talk after. 

01:01:51 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I mean, people know my stance on college basketball. I'm not going to watch that stuff, i't. I don't really, you know, I'll tune in for some like I'm like what the you know, the kids call casual, with like nba playoffs. I, you know, watch a few games and that, if there's a maybe, if I, you know, I'll see what positions I have. If there's like a third period nhl, maybe I'll throw it on espn plus or something for. But that's, that's super rare, that's not to be like. Uh, you know the spanky take of like I don't, you know I don't want to like I just, to me the time is pretty limited in this type of year and I'm gonna spend it watching. You know, like the sport that I'm actually like, get the most enjoyment out of yeah, no, I'm with you, I think. 

01:02:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think it has something to do with age for sure, because when, like I look at um, I don't know, I'll just just use this as an example but like these book it guys, book it crew, I should say nowadays, right, like they have an obsession with all sports, like everything. Yeah, we're betting baseball, this and that, like they're going to. And when I was in my like early to mid twenties, so did I? Like, if you go back to my tweets when Twitter launched, I had, I hadn't. I don't feel that way anymore. Like I. 

01:02:58 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I just don't take. 

01:02:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Other things are more important to me in life than keeping up with every like. I used to watch sports center first thing every morning, every day, and I would probably watch it twice, even though it was the exact same show the second time around. Like I had that type of obsession. I don't now. I value other things and that's why I value my Friday mornings, because in NFL season Fridays are a very important day. But it's the final injury reports on Friday afternoon that I'm waiting to come out and those happen like mid -afternoon to early evening. But outside of that I have Friday mornings to honestly do nothing Could go golfing, could sleep in, could do whatever the hell I want to do. Sometimes I'll watch like a Netflix show that I want to catch up on or something, but Fridays to me is very lightweight. 

01:03:48
Afternoon chaos Again injury report coming in, boom, boom. You got to be quick. This involves like communication with my team If this guy's out, are we going on it at this price? There's a lot of, I guess, situations that we prepare for for the Friday injury reports and also nowadays, like the most minuscule player, that doesn't matter. I don't know if some people are just betting news in nfl that don't don't really. They'll, like numbers, move off of the most random players. 

01:04:23
Sometimes where I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna bet back the other side because, like, this cannot be a, this cannot be a meaningful impact, or the backup is like, I actually think the backup at this position might actually be better than the, the starting left guard that's out for one team or something like that. So, um, that's, that's a fun. Friday afternoon is fun. Processing information, having to react in real time. That's me and my elements. Uh, it's probably my favorite time of the week. So fridays for me is is just a really great day. And then friday night I can go out and get tanked because I got nothing to do on saturday anyways yeah, see. 

01:05:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
So friday, friday I try and take it because that's a call before the storm where my saturday is going to be a hectic mess. So if I, you know, usually after uh, you know I work from home friday again so don't have to be up and around, so I'll usually during the day, you know, get whatever work commitments I need to, you know, finish up for the week done, um, and then we'll have like kind of an earlier. Uh, you know I could fill run kiosk, casino run, and then you actually I schedule like a massage or something for for friday afternoon or that I might do like a float tank. 

01:05:34
I don't know if you ever get ever heard of those where like you're doing that, yeah, yeah, do something where I'm kind of trying uh, I. 

01:05:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I get it. I know what a float tank is, but immediately when you mentioned it, I thought of one of those like circus tanks where, like you're, I would throw a ball at like the target the dunk tank. That's what my first thought was, because I I usually think of you as like a clown or something like that. But yeah, I'm glad that's where it went to. 

01:06:00 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
We've actually had, you know, like those have come into work for where the thing, where, like, oh, we can dunk the director If you hate him. You spend 20 bucks on balls and doing that. But yeah, the float tank would recommend, if you like, you know, if you're kind of relaxed, do something relaxing and then try and, uh, I don't know, I might go see, uh, my niece's nephew or something, or just, uh, do something a little bit outside of the realm on, uh, you know, friday afternoon, friday evening, and that, um, for Saturday starts. 

01:06:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay. So I do want to hear about your Saturday, because mine is very open. So Saturday I tend to be hungover in the morning. I sleep in a little bit. I get up before college games start 11 to 12. I'm betting again some top-down player props, not really doing much. The only other thing I have in my calendar for Saturdays is submit my circa millions in survivor picks by 4 pm to my guy, vegas Matty footballcontestcom, if you need a proxy. But outside of that it's just like a very leisurely day for me. If my wife wants to do something with her friends, that's great because I can watch some college football in the afternoon. If not, okay, maybe we're going to do some errands around the house or we're going to go to the farmer's market or whatever the hell. Uh, you know, married couples with no kids do, uh you know, a nice, nice trip to home depot or something like that. But I got nothing going on. I imagine yours is just like completely opposite of that yeah, no, it's, it's so. 

01:07:29 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
It's usually first thing uh, wake up and try again. I'll try and do something physical just to get it out before you know, get out some of the, and I'm usually you wake up and you get that instant like my body always knows, like your mind and body know, like it's Saturday, so I'm on, like you know probably how you feel Sunday, more of like you're, I mean, like you get out of bed, it's like your eyes are like wide open, it's like, oh yeah, I got it like from, especially in the routine, like that day you do it so many weeks in a row. It's almost like, uh, subconsciously your body knows like, oh, I gotta be, I gotta be on it today, um, and so again, try and we'll do something physical first thing, then right around, we'll call it eight, I get the. Usually there's that mid-morning where you'll start seeing like that different than the NFL where there's still some action on Sunday mornings, but it's more like you're talking pennies of moves, like a few you know, like where something might move five or 10 cents, as again, which takes a tremendous amount of money in college football. You'll say I mean, I'll use the Indiana FIU game last week as an example, that moved like three, three and a half four points Saturday of day. So you'll see those type of moves on a Saturday which you would never see in the NFL. 

01:08:47
Which has to be like am I getting down in this position? Am I watching the screen in that I bet some FCS. Those lines on the FCS game don't usually get widely populated until Saturday. So then it's a mad scramble for because I do move FCS for a number of guys of trying to get like full positions on some of those games. Am I going to? Is Joey Puppetmaster going to try and manipulate some lines in some certain ways of going a certain way? Which side do we want to be able to get down? Also, if they have like there's crossovers right now, some might be adding two positions and then also looking at trying to look at college props as much as I can during the day. So there's really a mad scramble of and it's almost like that's where there's. 

01:09:37
No, I like to be routine orientated and a lot of the other days have very specific Saturday that kind of goes out the window where I'm just trying to grab positions as I can and help and fill stuff. And what time do I got. Sometimes I'll go down first thing in the morning like wake up, but a lot of times you don't know exactly when some of this stuff is going to drop or going to move in that, so got to be a little dynamic in terms of um. I'll give you an example. There's a few saturdays where there's been lines, like in the past, that have just been absolute hammers and I just got to grab. I just got to grab the bag and run and run out the door and almost drop everything that I'm doing. 

01:10:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You got to grab the duffel bag full of 5K to give to all the runners. 

01:10:23 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, the Simon Hunter bag full, stash full, and just got to go and get down what I can on that and that usually lasts. Also do some like once noon actually starts, then it's a little bit, you know like I. Then I'm monitoring the games If I want to, you know, cause I'll bet some second half too. There's. You know some that. So it's usually then locked in from noon until what I would say the last set of games kickoff of. 

01:10:54
Like I try and be, I try and give myself that once like the seven, eight o'clock slate kicks off, I. That's when I got to kind of like take a step back and just kind of like watch, like I'm not going to do as much of the live trading on the second half or any of that for that Cause I got it. I'm already like running on E. Like it's funny, me and Powers were doing the halftime and that was around 5, 5. We were going to do the noon game this week but we did it for the 3.30 game, so that was around 5 o'clock, nighttime, miami and Florida. 

01:11:25
Yeah, we were already starting. You could just tell the overall energy level for both of us was a lot lower than it normally is, because by 7, 8 o'clock then'm like I'm running on e so I gotta start, peel it back and then I'm just gonna like casually watch maybe a night game or two on saturday um, and do a little review of of kind of what you know, maybe some earlier stuff for kind of what win um, and then do the full review sunday morning. But yeah, saturday Saturday is Saturday's is is nuts um, what are you? I wanted to ask you. So figures is is kind of a you know a common thing in the industry for you do do you do your own for the week? Do you do every other, any other pieces? Kind of when do you do? 

01:12:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
them. I don't, um, I don't do figures at all, so I have, um, two things that go on. So I work with a betting partner based in Chicago and he handles all of the figures for our own betting. Anything that we bet he logs immediately using a software that he developed himself. Everything is automated there. If the bet wins or loses, it's automatically pulled in. We know figures off that, accounts that I don't use and I give out to maybe some mutual friends of ours as an example. They would just do the figures for me. So thank God, because figures are a nut People don't understand when you have hundreds of accounts doing Monday figures can literally take the whole day for some people. 

01:12:56
And then, like we said, off the top, you have other people betting into the accounts, maybe 50, 50 split with nightmare. So thank god I do not have to do that because I'm already jam-packed. As it is, trying to balance the content with the betting, I I don't turn off like as much as I might say oh yeah, I have Friday mornings so available to me or whatever. No, no, no, like the, the phone is there, it's always buzzing, there's. I'm not ever, ever turned off. 

01:13:22
If I'm on the golf course I have to check it after every hole. You know I get the. You know the tunes alert, like you know play coming in 10 minutes and I'm like all right, like mad scramble, what's this guy gonna release, and like that happens so regularly. So never turned off. Um, but you know what's interesting actually I, through this whole thing, like neither me or you really does much live. You mentioned the second halves. I do like some nfl second halves, but it's just piggybacking off someone else. Um, I think it's just like once those games start, I've I've worked like so much that I just need to watch the game, man. 

01:13:59
I just need to watch the game. 

01:14:01 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Because, as you're saying, you can't. Well, first off, on the figure, like I had to, honestly I used to do all my own for everybody, for every, and honestly, like I would call it, maybe a year or two, I just had to start outsourcing to like for guys that, like guys I'm moving for and I'd be like man, like I'm, like I need you to start keeping the fifth. I hate to be, I hate to be like most people are good with it and that are guys like just and a lot of the stuff I can get like a, you know, a weekly report or any of that for the guys that I'm working with and that. But yeah, I used to do personal figures for every account and it's just, I couldn't, as you're saying, that it was so much, it was a lot of my Sunday night, it was bleeding into Monday that I just couldn't, couldn't take, you know, couldn't handle anymore. So I kind of outsource most of that. 

01:14:56
But I know for a lot of people that's part of the grind and, as you said, it's almost like there's two kinds. It's funny because there's like rarely is someone an originator and a frequent live better, or a mover or a top-down guy and a frequent. Live better Only if you're Steve Fezzik. 

01:15:18
You're leaving money on the table, kanish, you're not doing. Apparently he's. Yeah, he's working 28 hour days apparently I don't know, the guy doesn't go to sleep I don't know many people that like. I knew some people that specifically do live. Yeah, but rarely is it like someone that does live and does a lot of origination or a lot of top down, like it's almost you only have so much mental capacity. 

01:15:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think if I was like 25 and single you know no girl I would do everything, probably because I it, but I don't know. To each their own, listen. I mean, everyone has their own betting style. I really enjoy what I do. I don't enjoy it when I lose. I'll be very, very frank about that. The Sundays where, like, the early slate does not go your way, do not talk to me for the next three hours. I don't want that is one of the most challenging things I have to do. Kanish, yeah Is when you have like a piss poor Sunday. This is me specifically. And then I got to go on air on Sunday night at eight o'clock and relive these games all over again, like it's just that is the most challenging. It's not the losing, it's the losing, but then having to relive the losing again. But that is really my only complaint about the week. I know it's really busy, but once it kicks into gear, fuck. I love football season man. 

01:16:46 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I agree, I'm with you. I'm trying to structure this question where it doesn't sound arrogant and aloof. It doesn't sound arrogant and aloof Before I had had a lot of fiscal success with betting. Did you find that that changed how much you cared about the swings or you? You just generally like we're able to unplug from the results Cause that I would say in the, especially in the last few years where I've been fortunate enough to be in a, you know, a comfortable position in that financially it's allowed me to be less neurotic with with the down, and again, I don't like to lose p. 

01:17:40
You know I'm saying especially if I know, but if I know the stuff is good in general and it's going to win long term, a losing day or a losing week does not get to me like it once did because it used to really bother me. Um, and I would be. You know some people that have known me for years. I used to. I was not afraid to let people know if their stuff was not up to par or that I didn't think they were putting in enough effort. Is that where do you stand? 

01:18:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
on that. I think it's the manner in which I. So, if I'm being real here, there's probably two or three times a year where I will really say to myself out loud like why do I do this? Like it's usually on a day where you know you have four 1 o'clock games, big bets, and they just all lose and they've all lost in the most devastating fashion. And the NFL is weird in that it's just like I obviously have had sweat free, many sweat free wins in my life, but it it feels like there never is like I I can't describe it like you're you could take a team minus three and they go. They're up 24, nothing at the half and in my head I'm talking about. 

01:18:53
I'm thinking about all the ways I can possibly lose this bet, because I've bet the NFL a million times before. It's painful, so no, I'll be honest. Like I still struggle with the losing days, no matter what, it's hard and again, because my job, and like my betting business, is tied to this, it makes it challenging. 

01:19:19 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yep, no, I'm with you. I think that's part of the reason, especially that I never wanted this to be my only source of income come uh was the the fact that I don't know if I would have been able to handle like the mental side of it as either could my dog uh the mental side of it as as well if I didn't have that like initial, you know, like kind of that I would call it like the safety income, where maybe the financial like aspect of having a salary now doesn't uh impact my life so much. But for a lot of years, having that security one allowed me to take more risk with, like the bankroll and to just it kind of had that. Like you know, if I had a bad week it was like, well, I still, I still got a paycheck coming in. It's not, it wasn't that everything, all or nothing. 

01:20:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's. It's that. That's part of it too. Um, it's definitely different when you're not earning anything else and betting is your livelihood, which it is. Um, now, like you know, I I'm not betting outside of my means or whatever, but you, you have a terrible NFL Sunday that hurts no matter what, and there's, I think part of it too is that there's just so many weeks in the season Like there's 18 regular season weeks and you know you lose a couple in a row and you're like, what the like, what the hell am I doing here? Like I've wasted so much of the season already? Um, I don't know. I don't know that I will ever get over that. Some people are better with it. Some people is like they, they move on, and my process doesn't ever really change. It's just like okay, we're on to the next week, but I might be in a bad mood to start the week. 

01:21:07 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Let's just put it that way yep, I agree, I mean it's again losing sucks, no matter what it is, but I found myself to be able to detach from it a little bit more as the years have went on, where it used to really claw at me If we'd had it, especially if, like I know, this is a good session of you know where. Just being able to detach from the results a little bit, I think has been healthier in general, not just from a. It almost like gives you a little bit more clarity to just on the, your overall general perception on and be able to recap something where I get adopted, like on the books, when we have it like like we're, you know the CRCLV where you know I was looking, then we didn't have a losing week. 

01:21:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like do you know if I I saw powers in week one like he was declaring losses in the first quarter. 

01:21:57 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
I don't say right, like he's still BP. He sweats it harder than I thought he did. When we were jumping on the live show on Saturday, I seen him in the first the Zach. I was talking to Zach. I was like it looks like he's been in the sauna for two hours. He's like his hat's halfway off. These guys are like his hair's wet. I was like what's wrong with this guy? So, yeah, I think bp has not reached this point yet. That's that. But I, I love him for it because yeah, he, uh, he's, he's, uh, he is all in, yeah all right, uh, thank you to kyle for the show suggestion. 

01:22:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, hopefully people liked it out there. You can always leave so show suggestions down in the comments below. And if it sucked, kyle, yeah, it's all on him well, well, yeah, that's right. 

01:22:37 - Joey Knish (Co-host)
Yeah, people don't like the episode. 

01:22:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, have his email address. I don't know what we I guess we could just subscribe him to like a bunch of spam or something like that Ever do that to your friends back in the day? I certainly have. I certainly have. People have done that to me before. A lot guys out there. I had a good laugh once they found out what my email address was. But smash that like button down below. Thank you to everyone. We're over 10K subs here on Circles Off. Don't stop there, though. We have lofty goals. We want as many subs as possible. If you're not subbed here on Circles Off, make sure you do so. Check out our college football division of the hammer. Hit the books with Uncle K, joey Knish, get them to 5K subs. They're almost there as well. Forward Progress our NFL division. We're starting up this week. Tons of great content. Make sure you're subbed there as well. Thank everyone who tuned in. This has been Circles Off, episode number 170. Peace out you.