00:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
welcome to circles off episode number 59. I'm rob pazola, joined by johnny from betstamp. What's up? 

00:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
me and rob have been around each other by the hip all week. It's nice to finally get to see you again. 

00:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Buddy, it is uh, yeah I've actually seen you way too much this week, but I will say I haven't talked to you about this yet. You don't even know that this is coming up, but I'm going to give you some serious props for your you Better, you Bet segment this week, your debut. Did you watch it? As an analyst, I caught the two-minute clip that the you Better, you bet twitter account posted, so not the full segment. However, nick costos, who we had on the super bowl special, did reach out to me and say johnny, true professional, what a segment. I'm not paraphrasing. He's like incredible stuff, very actionable info, well spoken. So congratulations. 

01:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I did tell us pazola story. At the end he asked me did you get, did you hear that? 

01:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I did not hear that part. 

01:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He said we got about 30 seconds left. What's your best rob pazola story? I'll let you listen on the pod. Okay, anyone who wants to hear you got to go listen sure I will. 

01:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Is it good? Is it gonna make me laugh? I mean, I'm not gonna be offended and want to punch you out like a Rangers fan, leaving game five or something like that it's nothing, it's nothing. 

01:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've tripped you about this before. It's funny, it's a good story. Um, yeah, so we, uh, we're at a gaming conference this week here in Toronto. So there's a couple of big gaming conferences which we got to kind of debunk here, but with, within the sports betting industry, a lot of times, you know a lot of different operators european sports books, asian sports books, and then you have the. The us and canadian brands will all kind of get together for one sort of big networking conference, can do business with the back-end odds providers or with, you know, the different sports betting affiliates. 

01:58
You may have some companies that are trying to pitch unique ideas and then, ultimately, there's a bunch of marketing companies who are you, you know, finding ways to. You know, within the gambling industry, it's like, okay, well, we may need a issue with. You know, this kind of ad is now being blocked within the space, so let's, how do we get around that? And same kind of deal with the payment processors. So, within Toronto this week, which I know Rob has the answer to, I'll let him tell the story. But there was two gaming conferences, all right, the Canadian Gaming Summit, and then there was the Sigma Americas Gaming Conference. Both of them took place on the same dates at the same location, about a 15-minute walk apart. Now, rob, why did this happen? 

02:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So this is. I have to preface this story by saying this is unconfirmed. I'm not a reporter, I didn't go seek out information to see if this was actually true or not, but I had mentioned this. Me and Johnny were walking the floor on Tuesday and Wednesday and we're like, wow, it's, you know, it's kind of dead here. And someone's like, well, that's another conference right across the street. Of course it's going to be dead and whatever. So I'm like what kind of idiot would schedule two gaming conferences in the same week? And the guy's like well, you see, the Sigma guy tried to buy out this CGS Canadian Gaming Summit conference and they couldn't reach some sort of deal. So the Sigma guy basically put on this conference out of spite is what he told me. I'm like, no, that can't be. He's like, no, seriously. He said I don't care if, if, I lose money on this I don't want the other conference to make money either. 

03:31
I'll tell you how big of a scum yeah, like it is, I actually respect the move if it really happened, yeah well, what? 

03:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
what they said was like this guy, this sigma conference is a massive conference in europe, right? So he's got like the juice. And he was like, okay, well, well, I'm doing the Toronto gaming conference this year, cause Ontario is a new, new emerging market, big market, canada regulating. And then these other guys like apparently they were just trying to scum them on the price, like they kept raising it. And he's like, all right, no worries, right across the street I'm booking the biggest venue I can, and now a lot of people are going to come to mine and you guys are making zero money off it. 

04:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I I heard well, I mean, from what we heard, this guy lost money on the conference and was fully willing to lose probably a lot of money on this, based on the amount of people there I would say is and the venue which is the inner care center on the canadian national exhibition grounds in toronto. Very nice venue, very nice conference um center it's typically where they do like the home show and stuff like that absolutely packed, I would say. To book that venue and the amount of people that were there probably took a substantial loss. But if he did it out of spite I do kind of respect the move. Um, it was. 

04:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It was interesting, though, like hold, up the gift bag that they give out at the conference. Usually it'll it'll have like, um, you know, I don't know if anyone's ever been to a conference or you've been in university or college you might get like a couple of samples. You know, some some cool, maybe a water bottle, a pen, a pad of paper, something like that. I grabbed this gift bag. I will. There was three things in there, ok, number one was a pack of mints. Absolutely delightful, I'll take a pack of mints any day. You know you stash in the pocket. 

05:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You absolutely delightful, I'll take a pack of mints any day. You know you stash in the pocket. You're talking a lot of people. It was great, actually for conference. This is a suggestion for everyone running a conference going forwards there should always be one of those little boxes of mints. It's great, you put in your blazer pocket. You're eating, you're drinking coffee over the course of day your breath stinks. Pop a couple mints. 

05:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Great idea, so you might be thinking oh, I'm, I'm going from you know worst like lowest ticket item up to biggest right. No, pack of mints, by far the best thing in there. Second thing in there a little card that says this is the payment method. If you want to test it out, scan this thing to donate 20 bucks to some cause. That was the second, the second thing in there. 

05:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Listen third thing in there. I will say like listen, I'll donate to a good cause every now and then. 

05:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But it wasn't even a relevant cause and I think it was like. You know, I don't know what it was, I actually didn't even really really know exactly what it was, but it's like okay, the second gift gift item is to ask is asking for a donation yeah this is the guy that was spiteful. 

06:02 - Zack Phillips (Other)
This is at his conference. Yeah, okay, and then the third. 

06:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And then the third thing was uh, just a business card of some, uh toronto high-end realtor to get if you want to buy a condo, the bag itself was listen, I have a million bags from these conferences. 

06:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I used to go to all sorts of these when I used to consult for some other gaming groups, so I have tons of them. The bag itself was a quality bag, so I'll give them that they probably put a little bit more into that actual bag than at other conferences, but yeah, the gift bag was lacking. I've been to Sigma conferences before. This was definitely a large downgrade and, in fact, like the thing that drove me crazy about this conference in particular is the setup of how the floor was designed. Typically, if you're gonna go watch a panel at a conference, typically it's in another room. It's curtained off. This is just in the middle of, like the so it was so loud you could you like you could not hear I. I could not imagine what it was like being up on that stage being part of a panel where literally everyone around you is doing something different, talking to a friend. It was just very it wasn't great. 

07:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I almost felt bad for some of the panelists actually, because like there'd be three people up there and then someone moderating discussion. There'll be like four people listening barely. But also I didn't feel bad for some of them. Some panels were like professional sports betting and then it's just like three totes yeah, like three totes who are like just selling packages for like 50 bucks. It is irritating, I. I actually, um, I didn't want, I didn't listen to any of the panels, I know. I just, you know, I walked by. I saw fat joe. Oh, fat joe, legendary legend. If you guys ever watched scary movie three fat joe legend, he was there somehow. I don't know. I think he was working on some crypto thing within the space. He's not as fat anymore I slimmed down. 

07:52 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, rob posted a photo and I saw a good response. Someone said he's not looking like fat joe, he's looking like festively plump joe, he did, he did lose weight. 

08:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, he was. He was like the. There's always like one of these uh nightlife attractions at these conferences, so fat joe was playing at uh rebel nightclub. 

08:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That was like the the post for anyone who lives in toronto, you could tell they didn't really understand the space of toronto so well they got fat joe at rebel nightclub. They're like this is the night, the nightlife scene here yeah, it was really like to leave. 

08:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, it didn't make a whole lot of sense, but with. 

08:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That being said, we did manage to meet with a lot of great partners, a lot of different sports books, and it's really cool to see, um, kind of what people are launching for ontario and, I'd say, for any sports bettors within canada, within ontario. We have a lot of great things coming in store. From a lot of these operas, we're gonna have a lot of competition, a lot of people trying some unique stuff. Um, you should want to talk about that one guy's idea, the irish guy. Yeah, yeah, give him some wait, we got it I don't know. 

08:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know what his brand is. 

08:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I think I remember it. Let me pull it up, because we got to give this guy some listen. We, I'll tell the full story and I'll be I'll be brutally honest yeah, that's, that's, that's the point of doing all right so we met this guy. 

09:03
He's from like he, he purchased a booth at this conference. He was way in the back. Um, we, we went up to him and he was trying to run a sports book. So he kind of flagged the stands like, hey, you know, can I like let you guys know about my sports book idea? We're like, yeah, for sure, what is it like? We're better as we, you know, we enjoy the space. 

09:20
Um, so he's planning to launch in ire, ireland, soon, and it's a sports book in which he will give back a lot of the profits to anybody who has lost money in that month from the sports book. So, for example I'll do a better job of explaining this when you bet on the sports book, if you are down a hundred bucks that month, then all of the sports books profits% of that he's going to take back and give back to all of his losing bettors by the same amount of proportion that they lost. So if I lost 100, rob lost 100, and Zach behind the counter here lost 200, then of all of the profits that the sports book made in that month, zach is going to get back 50%, I'm going to get 25% and Rob is going to get 25%. Does it make sense to everyone so far? Okay, so that is his goal and at first sight, the the. The answer is like hey, well, I mean, how, like it's already hard enough to make money, how are you going to get enough people where, like you can give back 50% of your gross gaming revenue and still be profitable? And it seems like you know a very foolish, foolish thing. 

10:24
But one thing that's pretty cool about it which he had mentioned was he is going to publish the sports books, basically chart and listen. Whether this works or not is to be seen. It's going to be a definitely definite long shot, but he's going to publish the sports books trading chart. So near the end of the month or near the end of the week, if you are down and you you stand to earn a percentage of money back from the sports books wins. 

10:49
You can now see where the sports book has specific liability and now you get to basically root on like a hundred different bets because you want to now. You want the sports book now to win so that you can get a percentage of that payout back. So, for example, if it's the end of the month and there's a major golf tournament, it's the last sunday of the month and the sportsbook sweating, you know, like a 200k or you know, depending on the sizes, let's say they're sweating like a two million dollar liability on tiger woods winning and he's in the final pairing. Now you've got a bet against tiger right, that might be a shitty example, because no one wants to eradicate Tiger, but you got a bet against whatever it might be, dj on the Live Golf Invitational. Now you can watch that without actually having placed any bet. You can now sweat another like six to 10 bets of the sports book's biggest liability, and for that reason I do think it was a cool concept. 

11:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's very I love the idea. It's unique no-transcript where there's 20% tax rate as well. You're taking a lot of your profits away. From that point of view. You'll obviously have marketing costs associated with it, so I wonder if it's sustainable to do it at that level. Potentially there could be something at a smaller scale where you give back a smaller percentage, but from a player perspective, I completely like there. You you now get into scenarios where you don't have to actually place a bet to have a sweat on the game, which is kind of fun, right. I mean, if you're down a lot, you're like ah, you know it's. It's a way to essentially bet without having to put up any more risk, um, which I think is really cool. So I wish him the best of luck in Ireland where he's going to the market. 

12:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I got the name just we got to give it a plug at least. So to be clear, by the way, we spoke to this guy. I will give my thoughts here is like I think this is going to take a lot of funding. So you know my best wishes in terms of you know, somewhere like Ontario or somewhere into the States. I would absolutely love to see this succeed and I'm wishing him all the best. The name of it is we the Bookie, so W-E-T-H-E Bookie. You can go to wethebookiecom this is his site here and check it out. If you are in Ireland. He is launching this this summer, so within the couple months hoping to be live in ireland I don't know how many irish listeners we have here, but check it out and try it out. Give him a shot. Um, we love to see like new companies trying to make a splash, especially when it's a unique idea that hasn't really been done before. 

13:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So all the best I think we have one irish youtube viewer who was trashing you when we first went live on no, no, no, no, he wasn't trash me, it was the guy who defended me. He eventually turned you he. He started by like I this, this was circles off on youtube. What a mistake. Used to love the audio. Now I can't stop watching johnny fidget. It would like you know, spin in his chair stuff like that. 

14:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So the guy who said that was from uk and then another guy from ireland said that he disagrees. He thinks johnny's a fine young chap lad, and he would love to get him a pint of guinness if he were ever in ireland, yeah whoever that guy is, I hope you're listening right now. First off, you're the man I appreciate the support and second off, try out we the bookie when this guy goes live and let us know how it is yes, I. 

14:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think that has potential to be a strong product if you can get it right. That was one of the highlights for me. One of the highlights, non-related to sports, was the casino company from Miami I believe it's XR Casino. I'm gonna look this up but this was essentially virtual reality and augmented reality casino, which is it's so cool. I play vr at home, um, every now and then, like I won't say that I'm playing vr every day, but, um, we have an oculus, I don't know what rift, whatever, whatever my wife bought most recently, uh, and I play it. So I'm used to like the vr component of it. 

15:05
But the whole notion of not having to really get up off of your couch and drive to the casino and be able to play at a table with your friends sitting next to you, interacting, like I turn to my right, I'd see my friend, it's pretty cool. Like we're able to do that in this day and age. The tech works really well. Like even the augmented reality stuff is cool where you can physically, you know, put on the glasses, walk around the table, place the bed at the roulette wheel. Like I was skeptical, like when we first approached that booth. I'm like there's no way this is gonna possibly be good. It was good it was good. 

15:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It was good, I will say. He rigged his demo to make every hand a big winner. I was playing around for a bit. I think I was up seven hundred thousand dollars. 

15:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was just betting, I won johnny's just clicking max bet over and over. 

15:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I was clicking max bet, I won like 12 in a row. I'm like, okay, this guy definitely set up this demo to just win every everyone. But, uh, good for him. Yeah, that was a cool company as well. I mean not sports betting space, but I think what you said is correct. You know, if you're able to actually connect it with friends who are in different regions or different locations, that's the value of it. So the ability to actually kind of play for fun. Um, I think his, his model here is like more of a b2b solution. So he's looking for casino partners who are looking to open up a vr casino, maybe have a land base, one where they could accept players and, you know, with some sort of license, I'm not sure the regulation around casino, but really cool, it was like a family-run thing too, which is even even better who was the company giving out the uh, the free beer that had the sign of like come enjoy a nice free beer at this bar or enjoy the boring conference, or something. 

16:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was the funniest sign yeah, you know. 

16:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What sucks, though, is um, we went for a few beers there, but I unfortunately don't even remember the company, so it just it didn't really work. 

16:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The advertising don't say we should. We should cut that just so that there's still free beer at the next conference. It was an amazing sign. 

16:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's a free beer over here. 

17:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Boring conference over there I actually did say that was very good. Uh, it was. 

17:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It was hopping to that area, but yeah, the fact that we don't remember who it is it was some payment processor that was for, like you know, crypto payments and but I I don't know they should have put like, um, like the sleeves on the beer, you know what I'm saying like, with, with branded sleeves of whatever they were doing yeah, it'd be just very easy to remember. 

17:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But a qr code, a qr code, what? There's lots of people with qr codes there. I'm, I'm old, I'm like I'm in my mid-30s. I haven't done the conference thing in a long time since I was like working jobs and stuff like that and um, there are qr codes everywhere now which is like, uh, the qr business codes and whatever. 

17:41
I'm not listen, I'm not like technologically impaired or something like that, but I'm I'm just very surprised that, even in the span of a few years, um, all the technological advancements that have been made at these conferences relative to what they used to be, so it is pretty cool. Wasn't the greatest conference I'd probably still go to like a larger Sigma event, probably in Malta or something like that. Um, I do enjoy the larger conferences like ice that they have in london every year, which is really really cool. Pretty much every operator is there, every affiliate. Um, you see all sorts of tech companies there as well. So I like that stuff. Um, I didn't get much out of the pan, in fact, I I walked away from the two panels that I watched after about 10 minutes because I was getting like angry I'll give people like uh, my strategy here with these conferences. 

18:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've been to a ton of these. When I was in university I went to a lot and, um, what I found is like largely the speakers on there are going to be like I don't know. I don't want to say straight trash, but rob's going to give an example later that that might, uh, that might fall under those uh, those terms. Listen, a lot of speakers are good, but it's not necessarily that the people up there are bad. It's really just the whole format of being speaking at a conference and with a moderator. It doesn't really allow you to give any good info. 

18:51
You have to be super politically correct. You have to make sure you're you're always like if anyone's asking you a tough question, you're always gonna be like well, you know, I can't really answer this. So it's kind of like. It's the equivalent, in my opinion, of an nhl player in the first intermission when they ask him like you know what's going on out there, like what's the strategy, and he's like you gotta get the pucks in deep keep moving the legs, keep moving our legs pucks in deep pucks on net and, uh, you know, just pucks to the goal and we're gonna pop one in, like that's literally the equivalent of the answers you're getting at these conferences. 

19:21
So what I typically find is, if you are going to go to a conference, find out who's going to be there ahead of time, reach out, book a bunch of meetings with people who are going to be there. So what I did was like my whole day for two days was booked up with meetings that I preset with your different partners cool companies, I want and then leave some time to maybe walk the floor. You might discover, you know, a new company or this cool VR thing you could check out. But outside of that, if you're going to a conference, just sitting down and like, expecting to like, uh, you know, take notes from these speakers, you know, probably just, you know, stay home and and watch YouTube, probably find more info there. 

19:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can't even find the the the panel I was looking for on the Sigma website right now. So I just wanted to like come prepared with I watch a responsible gaming pen hold up. 

20:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
By the way, also one thing is they change those panels up because whoever sponsors the conference, they usually add in like oh, you could also be on this panel to like plug your stuff, which is another reason why the panels are not as valuable. Like a guy might be a sponsor and then he wants to get on some sort of panel so he can plug his thing. That might have to do with it or might not have to do with it. So within that, you know you're saying can't find it. Like they switch these up. Whatever is listed on the site you're going to see different guys go in based on uh, who's got the fatter wallet right now? 

20:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah, okay, responsible gaming, best practices and standards for lottery and I gaming products. Um, here's what particularly upset me about this one is that, um, there was a representative there from draft kings who was the head of responsible gaming for draft kings, and there was the vice president of responsible gaming for fanduel on this panel. Um, it was, like you know, a lot of this was not value. I'm very sensitive to responsible gaming. I think I've discussed this before, but I suffered from problem gaming when I was younger. Um, I know friends around me who have suffered from problem gaming. I completely understand it, and I think that there's definitely a need for responsible gaming. 

21:11
What really got me here, though, was, like, I think, unintentional comments that were made along the lines of you know, 98, 99% of our people, our players were encouraging them to set deposit limits when they sign up things of that nature so they can't spiral out of control. But all these books run vip programs, and if you're talking about people who really need the responsible gaming component of it, it's kind of it's extremely hypocritical to run a vip program where you have a host who's constantly reaching out to a player to encourage them to bet more and offering them incentives to do so and then saying we care about responsible gaming. Now I get that this is where the sportsbooks are going to make the majority of their money is through VIPs. What was often said in the offshore space when I was working in the offshore space, was 10% of your players are going to provide you with 90% of your revenue, and that wasn't quite true for the brands I was working for, but it was close to that. 

22:12
You can't have an entire panel where you talk about how you care so much about the players and you want them to have great experiences and you want them to be engaged with the product over a long period of time and then run a VIP program where your intent is to um, I mean really let's call it out for what it is make as much money off possible, possible off of players you think, uh, can't afford to to drop that kind of money yeah I know, by saying like, oh, 99 of our players go through this like responsible gaming checks. 

22:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like those people would not even need that check, like most players don't need a responsible gaming check. It is the small percentage that do need it and they're like oh well, we're good enough. 99 compliance. It's not really apples to apples. 

22:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They're pretty much at zero percent compliance and don't get me wrong, like there, there are going to be vips out there that that understand that they're a vip, they understand that they're going to lose money and they're okay with that and they just want the best experience possible with whatever sports book or casino they're playing. They're like listen, I'm in this for fun, I got, I got 100k to drop this month. I'm comfortable losing it all, but I want to have the best experience that I possibly can. And there are. There are people like that and whatever. To each their own. If you can afford to lose that money, I'm not judging or whatever. But then there's the you know, the person who's going to make a large deposit, for example. That's not necessarily a vip out of the gate and they're going to be put into maybe like a potential vip program or somebody's going to start monitoring their play and then a host is going to reach out to them. Those are the types of people that can't necessarily afford to lose that, but because of their initial deposit and their initial wagering patterns, they're going to be put into that type of program. 

23:51
So for me, I I just I was steaming a little bit because I I just find it so hypocritical that you have all these people on one panel talking about how they're doing so much for the player to prevent them from going down these problem gaming paths, and there's hotlines you can call and so on and so forth and a lot of that stuff is good, but at its core, the real problem is taking advantage of the people who are going to drop a lot of money and allowing that to happen just because these are the people that are gonna be most profitable to them in the long run. Tough, I had to walk away. I was upset and there's no questions at these panels either, which is like what's going on here? At least somebody could have dropped a question, like when I was with Spanky at Betting America, where he just asked the Will Hill CEO at the time why they limit players One of the most uncomfortable situations of my entire lifetime being next to Spanky for that one. 

24:47
But yeah, like, at least let people ask questions at panels. What's the point? 

24:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, I mean again, there's no, there's not really much value in the panels and stuff like this, Like it's all corporate guys and they're not going to give any info and they're all just like you know. Uh, yeah, this is the answer and that's the politically correct answer. I'm just going to answer it and that's it. So you know, networking is cool. 

25:06
I did we did meet with a bunch of sports books and, like I said, all positive. 

25:11
I still feel like we got like a lot of value out of the conference just because we were able to connect with so many partners face-to-face. Another super underrated aspect of business, like last couple of years just being online. You know you can't really get someone's full perspective just by emailing them back and forth. When you even just talk for 15 minutes, 20 minutes, you kind of see where a person's at Like what do they want to do with this? Like are they the main thing I think the difference is is like you can see if someone's like passionate about what they're doing and or if they're just I'm here to collect my paycheck Agreed, I'm going to head out as soon as this is like as soon as the clock hits, whatever time is, my last hour, I'm out of here. I'll respond back Monday morning at 9 am. Or if they're the person who's like I actually want to build some cool stuff, and of course you're never going to be able to tell that that is somebody unless you actually can talk to them. 

26:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sometimes a talk to them, sometimes a phone call might not even do it justice, agreed, I think overall probably like a three out of ten type of conference, but we got value out of it. I'm being serious, like I'm sure there's the vast majority of people there. Me and johnny are pretty social. We talk to like a lot of people. That's just the way we are. There's there's definitely people there that got absolutely no value out of it. It's a shame that they put on two conferences at once. But if it was a spite, move, respect, respect, as ali g would have said back in the day on his show. But um, yeah, what else is going on this week? 

26:34 - Zack Phillips (Other)
A couple of things actually mostly related to golf. The LIV or the Live Golf Tour launched and it's on at the same time as the RBC Canadian Open and I feel like the PGA Tour is panicking a little bit, trying to get some exciting things going at their tournament. So the Canadian Open is pretty close to here. Are either of you guys going to head out there? I know Mark is at the event today. 

26:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, mark, who manages our website is, uh, is there today. I'll be there tomorrow, so this for anyone listening on delay I'll be there on the saturday of the event. 

27:06
Um, they're just in time to see maroon five perform after maroon five, not bad I actually have some really good tickets on the 18th uh, just off the 18th green, but um, I saw the score bets, um, so there's a. There's a lot that goes into this here. I'm very familiar with the course. I grew up in the area where saint george's is in toronto. My father was a caddy there for several years. He's actually working the tournament right now at the uh, what's called the rink, the 16th hole, which is they're trying to create like a party atmosphere. 

27:37
It's kind of cool yeah, he wanted to be part. Well, he quick, quick, tangent for a second here. Ever since my father found out that that it was going to be hosted at saint george, he'd been trying to get a job like a player facing job there. Now he knew right away that there's no driving range at saint george's golf course. There's one across the street. So he's been working for like months to try to be the shuttle driver to get the players to the range and back so that he could have like the time to talk to them and whatever. He didn't get that gig. He was a little bit distraught about it, but they let him pick whatever else he wanted. So now he's on the 16th green, which is the rink. He's going to try to keep the crowd a little bit order, orderly around there, but he'll get to see the players putt approach the green, whatever. He's pretty happy about that. He's sending me pictures like every five minutes, like he's going to listen to this or whatever. But like, like charlie hoffman's bag, like I don't like that. You know I watch golf and really I I don't care enough about charlie hoffman's bag, like I don't like that. You know I watch golf and really I don't care enough about Charlie Hoffman's bag to be getting a picture every five minutes. Or like a caddy with like some guy's name on the back, like Connors. It's like Corey Connors caddy. I'm like, okay, sure, whatever, but he's enjoying it. Now. He loves golf, though. He loves golf. My dad loves golf. My dad loves golf. 

28:57
The score bet has, like this, seating which I'm very puzzled by. But I will say, from a pure marketing perspective, this was a great move by them because it's getting picked up by PGA's Twitter feed. It's getting picked up by everybody, but essentially there is a crane which is hanging on. There's a crane on Islington Avenue in Toronto and basically up atop this crane there's a bar that's hanging, with seating all the way around it so that you can oversee the golf course. Great marketing tactic. I'm sure we're going to see this pick up like everywhere at some point or another. 

29:39
Who in the hell this is like a VIP score experience who in the hell wants to do this other than just to say that they possibly did it? Like half the seats are not even facing the golf course. Like, if you, there's people with their backs to the course that are looking across the street at, like, the park that's there, the dog park or whatever like. That's the first problem with this. The second this is a bar. I don't know if you guys been to bars before. I know that you obviously have, but when you drink you you have to take like you have to piss pretty regularly. And if you're stranded at the top of a crane, where are you like? Where are you going? 

30:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't understand the logistics for I don't know, like, if it's an hour thing, okay, I get it, but then it's also just like it's kind of shitty, like I mean it's not whatever, but there's probably shuttling guys up there, people up there just to be like, okay, I went up in the crane, they take a couple photos, slap it on the ig, get back down yeah, take photo of the dog park across the street, come back down or like you have to turn around over your shoulder and film it and whatever the facing the other way is hilarious. 

30:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
In theory I get, I, I get the concept of it. But like, put people, put, make it like a one line thing where everybody can like face the like. If you're riding a ride you know what I'm saying like anyone who's ridden like a drop tower or something like that before is you're facing outwards. You gotta face outwards to be able to see the golf. Like how mad would I be if I got hoisted up in the air and I ended up in the seat that I I have to like turn over my shoulders. I don't know how these people are locked in. I assume it's pretty much like a ride, but they got they got straps over the shoulders on the seats here it's like we're riding a roller coaster. 

31:17
It has to be fully safe and whatever. But great marketing tactic, we're talking about it. It's exactly what the score would want. I kind of like the innovation, don't get me wrong. Uh, the score. I worked for years ago. They're typically more of a safer company, I would say, but they're starting to push the envelope a bit. I like that, but, come on, hilarious, like if I'm I'm a diabetic, okay, this I don't know. Actually I don't understand the science of this, but when I start to drink, I have to piss, like every 20 minutes, 30 minutes. I actually would not be able to do this. It's upsetting to me. 

31:54 - Zack Phillips (Other)
It's all good, it's all good patrons will have the opportunity to secure skyline seat spots by visiting the score bets on course activations, including the bet mode putting challenge and the score bet members lounge. The seating structure hosts 22 people who will be harnessed into their seats, and the experience in the sky is 30 minutes, with additional time allotted for embarking and embarking and disembarking. 

32:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Food and beverage is included in the experience yeah, so that that's cool, like I get it. I like the idea. I don't know that no, that's cool. 

32:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's cool. 

32:30 - Zack Phillips (Other)
It's probably a lot of money also, oh yeah yeah, and you have to take part in these two other score events, on course on the ground to be able to even be allowed to do this. 

32:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's like you have to go through if it's a, if it's a putting, challenge me and you will get up there no problem or on you drain like 150 foot putt I drain 150 foot foot putt at a stag to win a foursome of golf at copper creek oh, that's great it was into a little cup on a hardwood floor thing was curving like crazy. I just rode that. I'd rolled the line on one of the things and sunk it. 

33:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'd like to, I'd like, I'd like to think it's because when we first moved into the bet stamp office we had the putting green. We did have a putting green. We had a putting green. We used to putt probably 20 to 30 minutes every day the. 

33:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The thing is this if something's there, you'll use it like when we, when we move the location of the ping pong table. It gets so much less use and, honestly, it's probably for the better it probably is. 

33:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We're way more productive without the ping pong table. I gotta move the gym. 

33:32
I gotta move a gym right next to my desk, so I will actually work out we couldn't, yeah I, I will say that a squat rack beside the desk it's kind of depressing that we don't play ping pong as much as we used to, though we had, like some big office rivalries, some epic matches. It was pretty funny, though, like you know you'd, you'd smash a ball and it just hit a guy working at his desk at some point, like it's on the back, or bounces off their screen or something mark used to be in the most unfortunate position. 

34:00 - Zack Phillips (Other)
It was legit two feet to the side of the table and he caught so many straights when I used to play mark. 

34:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, mark's desk was he was like one of the last employees we gave him like the spot that you know it's still a good spot, it's just you're gonna catch it. 

34:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You might catch a ping pong. 

34:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I used to tell him to hold this. 

34:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
One might, one might bounce and then hit you in the leg. It's nothing, no, no. Listen, it's a ping pong ball. I used to tell him to hold his coffee. One might bounce and then hit you in the leg. 

34:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's nothing, no, no listen, it's a ping pong ball. But I used to tell him to just hold your coffee when I'm there, because I don't want to smash a ball. It hits his coffee, it goes onto the desk. So he'd always be working like with one hand and holding a coffee. Double bounce in the cup. There's, yeah, there's that. I don't know anything about the. I didn't see the broadcast for the LIV tour but from what I got from my Twitter timeline, people were like pretty happy with the broadcast because, guess what, they show more golf. Like there's less montages, there's less commercial breaks. It was just shot after shot after shot. Seems to me like logically, are? 

35:01
they gonna like mic up the players and stuff. I don't know what they're gonna do I feel like that's the if we consume this golf, though. Are we bad people if I watch? If I watch the liv tour, am I a bad person? What do you think? 

35:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
why would you be a bad person? 

35:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Because, like I mean, the players are obviously bad now, as society is determined. 

35:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Have they or no? 

35:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I mean, there was a guy at a press conference asking Lee Westwood and Ian Poulter if that, if Putin held a golf tournament, would they play? That's the point it's gotten to now. 

35:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know, I don't care to discuss this stuff. 

35:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, neither do I. And listen, care to discuss this stuff. Yeah, neither do I. And listen. The question of morals is one thing. Man, you're talking about a guy in dustin johnson who's made like 75 million career earnings and then you're telling them you can get 175 million guaranteed. That's. 

35:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's a tough tough thing why are they calling this thing the saudi tour? Also, is that that's not even the name right, it's not, but it's they branded as that for a negative imagery I think so yes yes, yes yeah, like we got it. 

35:59 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, I mean okay so some things with the broadcast, and I think part of why it's being enjoyed is like it's just a more modern, refreshed feel of the broadcast. Rob's right. First of all, they show more golf, which you're here to watch golf. It's quicker, like the play is quicker because they do a shotgun start. And then the other thing I think I don't know how well it would appeal to you guys, but I I think for people like my generation at least the screen that comes up is just easy to read and it's clean. It's like it looks new, it looks modern. You can see all the players. Like they're showing 15 guys on the leaderboard rather than five in the corner and then rotating through all the guys that go through there. Like it shows everybody. It shows because they have the teams that they're playing on. Like it just looks a little more. Yeah, complete, I love golf. 

36:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I love playing golf. Like it's not very exciting to watch and it's like sometimes cool to watch the majors, but really what you're watching is like the final day, just you're. You're more interested in the competition, the actual production, pga not very good, so the ability to actually have a competitor come in at the very minimum. Listen, regardless of your thoughts on like oh, this is this competitor. Like, quite frankly, I'll just say like I like. If you think you're like a bad person or watching tv, like it is what it is, I'm not here to discuss that stuff right, I haven't seen it yet. 

37:16
I I plan to, uh, obviously check it out just to see the product. But ultimately, when another thing of competition comes in, what that's going to do is probably elevate the pga a little as well and to think that they could just own a monopoly, like I know the pga, like they don't. They don't pay their players as like employees. They're, like you know, general contractors of the, the pga and stuff like that, similar to how the ufc does it. And when stuff's like that, if more money's available elsewhere, people may take a shot. It's going to now be up to the pga to like reinvent it. 

37:47
I'm very familiar with how this happened in the ufc. Like ufc was the big dog league and then, like a few other leagues came in, like pfl, which is, they heard right now, like we will give a million dollars to whoever is the champ If they win. Like every year, each weight class one fighter gets a million dollars, which is very hard to do in the UFC unless you're top of the top of the rank and obviously PFL is lower competition. So they did lose a few guys from the UFC that went over to PFL, same thing with Bellator, and ultimately what it's going to be is the UFC was like okay. Ultimately, what it's going to be is the ufc was like okay, no worries, we lost those guys, we don't need them. Let's make our product bigger, let's figure out what we got to do. So, in terms of the pga, I think the deal is going to be like you know, okay, send out a couple of hateful emails where you're going to be like snarky towards the players, like that's going to do nothing, probably, but have a more negative image toward the pga, maybe make your product a bit better. 

38:36
Now it's time to probably say hey, all this old school stuff we were doing might not be working as well, because it seems like someone else might be picking up steam. Let's figure out how to make our thing better. And if they can now go ahead and take that ufc model and be like okay, we're gonna take our product, move it to the next level, it's no competition. Ufc is by far the best league. If you are not in the ufc, you are basically not even a, you're not even considered a top fighter. If you're the bellator champ, it's like oh well, it's bellator champ. Sure, he might be like top 10 in the ufc, but he's not very good. So if the pga can essentially make it where you know, dj wins his tournament and they're like, yeah, dj, he's trash, he's not even a good golfer, he's not even in the pga if they can build that kind of brand which they might be able to should be a good thing for them and could be good for the fans watching. 

39:22 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Well I just want to say too I I don't know if you've seen any of the comments out of the guys who are at the rbc canadian open, but they've been pushing that narrative themselves out of the pga. Rory has made some statements about like nobody's gonna watch that because look at the guys that are in it. They asked scotty scheffler and he's like yeah, the only guy that I noticed was missing this week was dj. 

39:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, like they're basically saying as of right now, right, but I mean there's obviously gonna be more guys going to like the shambo. I think's gonna go over like now say what you want about him. He hasn't been having the best year, but he's a pretty big name in the patrick reed as well, like not, I mean not superstar anymore, but Phil. 

39:57
Mickelson. He still has got fans. You know what I mean. One thing I will say actually is on the sponsors. Dj lost all of his sponsors. Are you sponsored by RBC? So everyone knows. He fully knew he was losing all his sponsors. It's not a surprise. He was like, oh, that sponsor is probably paying me like $2 million a year. $1 million a year. He's like I'm getting this much. 

40:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don a year one million a year. 

40:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's like I'm getting this much, like I don't need that sponsor anymore. Another thing, for he doesn't need a sponsor for the rest of his life. But what I'm saying is like, when you are tied to sponsors, you have to like not necessarily act a certain way, but you're like at any given time. If your money is tied to somebody else paying you as a sponsor, now your brand is tied, he may not be able to take certain risks that he might want to do with his brand. Um, and he definitely, you know, would like. 

40:40
For example, some of those guys it's like I know what the pga. So if you want to do like a youtube show and monetize your name and likeness and like, use the pga stuff or even while you're under contract with pga, like they get a cut of that right, and that's another thing. With djs, it's very that guy probably could build a really wicked personal brand, but under the PGA banner he may may be strapped in where you can't do that. Now, I don't know this for sure. But not having to deal with sponsors like a bank or, you know, a clothing brand, getting guaranteed money on his own, could potentially give him the chance to like maybe make, let's say, a youtube channel where he's like just himself, like you know, messing around on the golf course, hitting dingers, like drinking beers, like that. 

41:25
That can't be a thing. Like that's the stuff that I think guys like us want to watch. Like if dj had a show where he just walked, went in his golf cart, kind of messed around on the course, was like you know, I I messed that one up, let me hit another ball was like crushing beers with some stuff, like I'd probably watch that show. It could be a sick brand. You can't do that when you have sponsors. So whenever guys can be like oh, my sponsors are going to drop me, but I'm already covered on, like he knew that was going to happen, it doesn't come as a surprise. 

41:51 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, and the other thing too. I'm just kind of pulling up some stuff about the live golf. Like they're covering everything for these guys. You get guaranteed money and then every player in the tournament, no matter what you finish there's only 48 per tournament no matter what you finish, you make money um, even the worst players per weekend, their hotels, their travel, their food, their drinks like if they want to go out their family flights everything covered by the backers of the lfe, like it's all covered and I heard bryson once on a podcast talk about how, like the travel for pga wasn't very good. 

42:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So, uh, basically what he was saying is he's like a super health food nut so he doesn't like to order food on the road and stuff like that. So when he traveled the, they wouldn't like accommodate anything for him, so he basically just paid for all of his own stuff, which I think you have to pay for anyways, but he would. He would have to basically like get airbnbs with kitchens and stuff so he could, so he could have, like you know, go grocery shopping and cook his own food. Um, so little things like that. I think, at that level, where you know he's one of the best players on tour, I'm sure if, if sydney crosby was like hey, I need somewhere with the kitchen, like the penguins are accommodating that, whereas the PGA was like no deal, like to what To save a couple thousand bucks, I think little things like that probably add up and that may be, you know, one of many factors why Bryson's like ah, I'm going to go over to this other tour. 

43:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I mean stuff like this will force the PGA tour to change a lot of those as well. If they feel players are leaving for reasons I mean, obviously the money is the big one, but there's these other smaller reasons that contribute in decision making as well forces the pga tour to switch it. It's kind of good. 

43:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Competition is good yeah, the rbc sponsor on on uh, dustin johnson, by the way. Like, from rbc's point of view, like they're just a brand, right, so they need to make sure that they're in positive image and they're sponsoring a player. So if, at any point, that player does anything, it's just a business move. They have to drop that player. So what I would say is, like this shouldn't be a positive or negative press for rbc, like it's just something that has to happen. Is like, if they keep dj as a sponsor, now they are going to be under scrutiny by a certain amount of people, so from a business perspective, it no longer makes sense to pay that player, so they have to just drop them. They're not really doing anything wrong, they're not really doing anything right. It's just that's the business move that needs to happen at that time. What's hilarious, though, is they had all this signage up at the Canadian Open, obviously, given that, you know, are they the presenting sponsor? I believe so. So is you know? 

44:20 - Zack Phillips (Other)
are they the? 

44:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
presenting sponsor? I believe so so is. Is it the rbc canadian open again this year? Yeah, so rbc had a bunch of dustin johnson like murals, paintings, whatever, and when he signed with the live they had to rush and get all of those changed and like that was probably I don't know how much money you think that that would be like just to print those posters, put them up and stuff like that, like they're costing hundreds of thousands to like get that up on short notice, which is even, which is even funnier but the guy or woman who's responsible for doing that, aged probably five years, guaranteed in the one week, like the most, I can only what's the? 

44:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
what's the movie? Is it super bad? Where is the guy, the guys and, uh, they spill all the beer in the in the convenience store yeah he's just like he's got the mop. He's like fuck my life. 

45:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I can only imagine the exact same thing happening to the person who sees rb yeah, week before the rbc canadian open, he had all this signage already printed, all these dj commercials, stuff ready to go and they're like we're dropping this guy. Remove every trace of dj from every single artwork. This girl's probably looking at her thing like he's on 80 of our artwork, like we are. We are on short notice now rushing everything, yeah that's a letter of resignation moment that is a letter of resignation moment for me. 

45:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wanted to talk about one other thing which has really bothered me over the last couple of days. Anyone who follows me on Twitter probably saw me tweet about this Golden State Warriors Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals. Right now, game three happened in which, following the game, you have a bunch of players from the Warriors, particularly Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, who are going off on Boston fans. Never seen such disrespectful fans yelling F-bombs at us at the game. I can't even walk the streets of Boston without someone yelling F-you at me. Stuff like that it's. 

46:17
I'm pretty impartial with sports. I hate Boston sports because I'm in Toronto. There's always been rivalries for years. Hate, hate Boston sports. The Golden State Warriors have somehow made it so that I'm rooting for the Boston Celtics in the finals, because I cannot think of a more unlikable thing than a team to come out and be like oh you know, we went on the road into a hostile environment and it was. It was too hostile. Like people were uttering coarse language at us, swear words during the game, like, like this is the first time in the history of sports that this has happened, or that it's an unacceptable like deal with it, I don't. I I get so infuriated by listening to the warriors players like it seems like the most entitled team on the planet. They just want to go in play a nice road game. Everyone shake hands out like that's not what this is. 

47:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's the nba finals it's way too soft right now. Also, like imagine how it was back in the day. It's probably 10 times worse when there wasn't like social media and stuff or more. And the funny part is in some sports right now also, like imagine how it was back in the day. It's probably 10 times worse when there wasn't like social media and stuff or more. 

47:25
And the funny part is in some sports right now, like ufc, like, guys go to brazil and fight brazilian fighters and they're like american and they will literally just talk so much shit about brazilians and about the crowd and then, like the crowd is literally chanting when they come in, like a in portuguese it's like um, I know what it is, I don't even know if it's a swear word, but I think it translates to like you're gonna die and they, they, they chant that in to all of the people, like the american fighters who are facing brazilians and they literally throw stuff at them as they're coming in. And then those guys have to fight and like if they win, they literally have to like get out of brazil. Yeah, like they're like we got it. Guys have to fight and like if they win, they literally have to like get out of Brazil. Yeah, like they're, like we got it. We have to get in security and get out of Brazil. 

48:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But like early nineties, like Bulls, knicks, stuff like that in the Eastern Conference Finals, first of all, the players on the court are trying to actually murder each other when they get in the paint. So that's the first thing Like now you can at least drive to the basket with the expectation that someone's not going to try to absolutely take your head off, like it was back in the day. But the crowds like were insane. And now, you know, some guy says F you to Draymond Green while he's running down the court and he's like oh, this is unacceptable. Like what is this? And don't tell me, don't tell me that this stuff does not happen at their home games either me, don't tell me that this stuff does not happen at their home games either. Like our is every golden state warriors fan a saint that has just been there? And like applauding the other team when they win and like it, it's a joke that's part of the game. 

48:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And mike milbury mad. Mike milbury once hopped the glass in a hockey game for the boston bruins, went into the crowd as well as with the whole team, took a guy, threw him down, took off that guy's shoe and started hitting him with his own shoe and he's got a versus commentary job in the us right now. That was the game back then. Yeah, it's completely different and and I think there was one with well, who, uh who attacked the guys at the basketball game? I don't want to, is it? Was it ron artest? 

49:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
it was uh that dead jump went into the crowd yeah, malice at the palace, yeah ron artest went into the crowd. 

49:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah yeah, yeah, like they literally world peace. At the time, ron artest went into the crowd. Yeah, meta world peace went into the crowd and started like legit scrapping guys, like that's how it was back in the day. That's like it's funny now to see people complaining about that. 

49:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But when you think about like all the things that I thought I've obviously been a sports fan my whole life. There's like, there's stuff that I find more ludicrous than somebody telling you to f off at a game, like world cup qualifiers. Okay, like the crazy, some of the crazy ones you'd have, like a team that goes to mexico or jamaica or something like that. They get a hotel and people just literally blare horns outside the hotel for the entire night. 

50:05
They literally do not let you get any sleep whatsoever. Like that to me I don't think it's crossing the line because it's for sport. You're trying to get an advantage in any way. But if you're going to call out something that's crossing the line, okay. Like we, we literally could not sleep because people were pulling fire alarms, blaring horns, loud music all night outside our hotel or you know, we literally could not take get our our flight. We could not catch our flight in time because people were blocking all the routes to the airport. Like that, that's next level gain, gain an edge, type of stuff. So we had to take a flight three hours later because we couldn't get to the airport on time. Like that, stuff is okay. 

50:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The fans don't even have a big impact now. 

50:48 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I got some stuff for you guys and I just want to hear your reactions on it. This is from the incident, so it started because the crowd at TD Garden was chanting F you, draymond, and then Klay Thompson had his statement. After he said we've played in front of rude fans before dropping f-bombs with children in the car in the crowd. Really classy, good job, boston. And this guy from boston replies on twitter. Those were the children yelling f-bombs, but you know okay, here's another thing that I'd look. 

51:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's funny. We live in a different day and age now. I've been going to sporting events since I was a kid. My dad would take me to events. I cannot recall a single event I ever went to where I didn't hear someone using profanity. And when I was in school, when I was nine years old, there'd be people that were swearing Like, it's not, like, this is the end of the world. These kids are going to hear this language at some point or another. It's a responsibility the parent to say like this is, you know, not acceptable to continuously use over and over and so on and so forth. You can't go about living your life just swearing and whatever. But it's a joke. It's actually a joke. 

51:52
And think about all the stuff that gets chanted at every it chanted at every single game, starting with the refs you suck, one, like, like. That's not a good message for children to tell the officials that they suck every year. It happens at every single game. Ref you suck, ref you suck. Happens at every single game. You get the bullshit chant over and over Like. This happens all the time. So it's a joke. It's honestly a joke and I'm definitely atop the list of least likable athletes right now be clay thompson and draymond green well done, rob. 

52:27 - Zack Phillips (Other)
You want to get a little more frustrated here? Draymond green's wife takes the instagram post game. She was not happy either and she says, and quote warriors fans would never my kids were at the game tonight hearing that mess. Very disgusting of you little Celtics fans, just shameful. 

52:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
People just complain too much. Now it's in everything. There's a story that this guy Brendan Schaub. He's a former UFC heavyweight fighter. 

52:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He was one of the guys that Marenzi back in the day told me that I bet against him. He told Schaub that I bet against him. He took it. He told shot. He told shop that I bet. Shop was a good guy though he took it very well, he was laughing it up great guy, brendan shaw, so shop does a lot of podcasts. 

53:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Now he told the story that I I absolutely died of laughter at. So his story was he went into brazil to fight a brazilian fighter I think it was maybe gabriel gonzaga, I'm not sure exactly if that's the fight but he went into brazil and he was facing like a hometown brazilian guy who was like a fan favorite there. And, uh, the, the area in brazil where they fight, there's like that's the main soccer area for one team and they're super, super serious about soccer. And there's like a rival team where, like, if you wear that rivals team jersey in that area, like you're in, you're in a little bit of danger, right. So it'd basically be like wearing a habs jersey to a leaf game, but at a significant, significant, you're right in brazil, yeah. 

53:46
So he said he was broke at the time and, uh, he's like two, I guess, powerful brazilian guys I forget what he called maybe like gangsters or something and they went. They came to him with an offer which was they? They went to his like hotel room where he was staying and they brought a jersey of the rival team that like would would piss everyone off, and they made him an offer with a translator. They're like okay, if you knock out gonzaga if you be, if you beat him, then like, after the fight, before you do the interview, put this rival team jersey on and we'll give you 80 grand. And he was like, oh, 80 grand, like I'm in. So this, how much stones he had at time. They he said they locked. They locked the 80 grand in the safe in his hotel room and they knew the password. They're like okay, here's the jersey. If you do it at the end, then when you come back here we'll call you and tell you the password to the safe and you keep the 80 grand. And they're like it's only if you like win and put the jersey on will you keep the 80 grand. 

54:41
Then he told the story. He was so hyped up because he wasn't making much and he was like desperate for 80 grand. He wasn't even scared at all and then, basically, like he ended up he was winning. He was like a minus 300 in that fight. He won the first round and then got knocked out in the second. Literally, said he. It was the darkest days of his life when he got knocked out. He was in so much like he's just detrimented, lost, didn't get his win bonus, went back to his hotel. 

55:07
Those two gangsters came back he took the money out of this they took the money out of the safe they left and they're like, sorry man, they're like you can keep the jersey. And then he kept the jersey, said he still has it, his dad framed and put in his basement or something like that. But that's when I heard that story I laughed so hard and the best part about it was like the stones he must have had. Like it would have been sick to see that like put on the like everyone would have been throwing stuff out and whatever. He would have to just kind of get out of there. But that was that's like a, a true thing of like sport and culture, and like stones. Now nowadays it's like oh, the crowd swore at me like but but listen, obviously there's gonna. 

55:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There can be a point where a crowd gets out of line. You know, like you don't want to see people assaulting people. Or you know, if you do bring your kid to a game as an example, you don't want someone like yelling, like lacing profanities directly at you with your kid at the game. Like I've been in a very uncomfortable situation before at a blue jays game where I had john ferguson jr, who used to be the gm of the maple leafs, sitting in front of me a couple rows and notoriously was a very bad gm, and he's got his kid next to him at the ball game and people are letting him know how bad of a job he did in toronto, like that's you know, and at least there were fans that were smart enough to turn around and be like, listen, the guy's here with his kid, leave him alone, like you know. So there's stuff like that. 

56:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He wasn't even GM at the time. He wasn't. 

56:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This was the years afterwards, right, and you don't want to see stuff like that happen. At least there's people, that people in place, hopefully. And you know, I guess the fear for some people is that if you keep pushing the envelope, you get to a point where somebody's going to cross the line in some capacity, and I kind of understand that a little bit. But as far as we've been, like as far back as I've been watching sports your playoff game on the road, it's a hostile environment. There's a lot of people there that are drinking, they're cheering for their team. They take it very seriously. Um in in like a win. 

57:03
For some of these fans is like a life-changing moment. Uh, maybe not necessarily for celtics, for or boston sports fans, who've won a lot recently, but you can see why people would be so amped in a scenario like this. Now, no one's assaulting someone, no one's really going over the line. In my opinion, it's just like and, by the way, the last thing we can kind of end on this if you're one of the warriors who is saying something like this after a game three, what do you think is possibly going to happen in game four? Like, what is, what is your end goal here. Do you think all the fans are going to show up and everyone's going to be quiet? And it's going to be. It's going to happen at a way more drastic scale, way more drastic scale. Like you're right actually I didn't even think of that like it's going to get up, it's going to get nuts for game four well if they end up. 

57:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I mean, this may not age well, but what I'm going to say is, like, at the end of the day, this is like the passion that makes going to sporting events fun. 

58:00
Now, I'm not necessarily condoning for, like you know, yelling at kids and stuff like that and and whatnot, but as soon as we like like you see it at maple leafs games like the lower bowl is is a lot of suits, as people claim, you know, it's a lot of like businessmen who can afford the ticket to just go there. They might sit down, do some business. They won't even stand up and clap for a goal. Like when the stadium becomes that, that's when your, your team, actually like, it becomes so much less fun to go to a game. And if the teams could actually realize this, it's like you're. The part of the allure of being a fan is the ability to like go to a game and fire it up and like have, have fun with your friends and stuff like that To bring a broom into the arena, or just like any, just anything and stuff like that. 

58:40
And to bring a broom into the arena, yeah, or just like anything, just like you know, obviously you can't be hurting anyone and you need to be careful with it. But as soon as the stadium becomes like full of suits who don't enjoy the game, that also makes it less fun to be a fan watching from home and the whole, like sports is literally built by the fans. We got to realize that, Like, the actual athletes playing the game are worth nothing If not for the fans who want to pay to watch and who want to actually get into it. So I think in general, like to complain about the culture of certain arenas. Now, you know being careful here. 

59:10
To just like I still don't agree with, you know, swearing at kids and stuff like that but, to complain about the culture of the arena is like come on, man, that's what's paying your salary, like jaymond green's making you know multiple tens of millions per year because of those fans that are willing to actually come to the game and get that passionate about it. 

59:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So calm it down. I'm sure there's stuff that actually happens, that crosses the line and like I'm not supporting that in any way. Like this this happens at every you know stadium. 

59:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
These guys never played call of duty, modern warfare 2 and got into the room after you've faced another team. You've never. If you, if you've never played that and I have some people who are listening will know what I'm talking about. But until you've played that, you don't know rivalry within within sports I've on a less relatable scale. 

59:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I did play call of duty back in the day, but now I play sniper elite and um. You know, when you wear the headphones you got to have thick skin at the end of the day, buddy, in modern warfare 2 they didn't. 

01:00:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You weren't able. Like right now, if you play call of duty, they mute the mics in games so you can't actually talk to the other team and like chirp them. In modern warfare 2, this, uh, just go look up some youtube videos and and you'll see like you'll see what it was. But this is that. 

01:00:19 - Zack Phillips (Other)
That is like you don't even know rivalry unless you've played that yeah, it makes you really quick-witted too, because especially now the game ends and you have 30 seconds in the lobby with the other team before it goes into the new one. So you go in there and just it's like 12 people just screaming and then it's done and then you go back to just your team. 

01:00:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
see, that's interesting to me, depending on the type of shooting game you're playing. 

01:00:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Listen, they had to ban it because there's a lot of, like you know, words that can't really be used, right being said, but like the sniper elite lobby during, like the in-between games. 

01:00:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's more of a you know camaraderie type of thing, like you'll shit talk somebody else on the other team, but it's not in disrespect and or or whatever in the games. Most of the most of the, the, the shit topping, shit talking that happens is amongst teammates, because you can only hear your own team the whole time and you always got like one guy on your team that's weighing you down and that guy just takes like the epic, like brunt of of the, the team loss. You're always looking for someone to blame in those games. That's not yourself 100, and you know it is what it is. But anyways, we'll see, uh, what happens in the rest of this series. I assume it will be loud, I assume there will be more f-bombs, there will be another fu draymond chat, uh chant at some point. Um, but it is what it is. That's pro sports and I hate hearing athletes complain about stuff that's just been happening for the entire duration of time. 

01:01:48
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