00:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
welcome to circles off episode number 62 jason kelsey oh wow, 62. 

00:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't even. I don't have a rebuttal for that one. That's tough, do you think I actually knew that or did I look it up? You probably knew that. What was william nylander on the leaves before he switched his number 62 or 63 on the marlies, but he never actually came to the leafs with that. 

00:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know that's beyond my comprehension. 

00:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Jack looked at it real quick william nylander, toronto marlies, I can't yeah I'm off the top of my head like was he 62? 

00:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
62 I don't know what other athletes I can think of Wasn't. 

00:46 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Maxima Finnegan off. 

00:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, maybe he has one nasty goal, yeah. 

00:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Probably baseball Like. There's probably some famous baseball players with 62. 

00:55 - Zack Phillips (Other)
That's what I would say is probably the most common Johnny 62 with the Marlies. 

00:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Wow. William Nylander on the Toronto Marlies. 

01:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I tried. They're on the toronto marley. 

01:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I tried, I really tried to like show off some sports knowledge and I got one up so hard. Oh, I don't really know. I don't know if that's one up like no one has that jersey. It's nothing, it's just a minor league team. 

01:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, anyways what's up, bro? It feels like forever since we've recorded a podcast since we recorded two two weeks ago. 

01:23
Yeah, secrets out. I mean, we pre-taped with Chris Bennett, which was a great episode. Got a lot of good feedback. I actually listened to. I don't listen to a lot of our episodes. I don't like hearing my. I like my voice being heard. I don't like hearing my own voice, but I did listen to that while I was driving to chicago, because a lot of people were messaging me. They're like oh, this is like really really good interview and uh, turned out to be a really good one. However, it's gonna be a different episode today well received. 

01:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
By the way, that last episode thanks everyone for the feedback. If you haven't checked it out yet, please check out episode number 61. Chris bennett, director of trading for mlb and nfl, over at circa sports and um. It's pretty cool. It was pretty cool to talk to him and I'm glad everybody liked it. But yes, different episode this week. 

02:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Go on, rob this is going to be our first ever reaction video, I would call it. So I'm driving to chicago with my wife before before I get the commentary of like oh you know, pizzola's so poor he's got to drive to chicago, or whatever. Please recognize what airline travel is like in North America right now, especially Canada going to the US Absolute disaster. So Joey Kanish, who I know listens every week and who's going to make some sort of stupid comment about this, I drove to avoid that for one, but it gave me a lot of time on the road. I get to a rest stop, I'm stretching my legs and I check my phone and I got like no, no, exaggeration, we'll put. We'll put up the screenshots. I've got like four or five Twitter DMs of like Pizzola, you're never going to believe this, this podcast that dropped. You have to give this a listen. Can, instead of doing tweets that trigger us, can you do podcasts that trigger us? And I'm I'm getting all these messages. I'm like, what is this? I'm like, oh, ross Tucker podcast. 

03:09
I know Ross Tucker not well he probably would never remember me or anything, but when I used to work at the score back in the day, I was a producer for hardcore sports radio. We used to book a lot of football guests. Joe Fortenbaugh was a big one who worked for national football post at the time, and when we couldn't get joe fortinball we got ross tucker. So I had a lot of communications with ross tucker. I'm like, oh, what could ross have probably possibly said? That was like major issue. Here I read the episode description ross tucker had on simon hunter of the action network professional sports, better. Professional sports, better, simon hunter of the Network. 

03:44
I proceeded to listen to this podcast 24 minutes. We don't have to listen to the full 24 minutes and react here, because some of it's like divisional. You know team previews of this year. Almost drove my car off the road several times. My wife literally turns to me and says why are you breathing so hard? I'm like, are you listening to this? She's like, yeah, what's going on? I'm like, oh man. So today's episode is going to be devoted to reacting to this. Johnny has not seen this yet, so I've seen it. 

04:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've seen some clips. I'm not going to lie, but we're. But today, what we're going to do is is react to the full thing, which will be awesome. 

04:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So, by popular demand, to do is react to the full thing, which will be awesome. So, uh, by popular demand, episode 62. We're reacting to an episode from ross tucker's podcast with simon hunter hit it zach how many views this thing have? 

04:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
it's a good question. Check the views on this act. 

04:38 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
I'll pull it out it's the even money podcast with ross tucker and steve bezic actually pause even before we start, I'll pull it out Actually pause even before we start here yeah Vegas baby, baby Ross Tucker and Steve Fezzik as I was watching or listening to this. 

04:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I will say I've also watched it once since because I wanted to see Ross's reaction. But if Fezzik was here, I feel like this would have went very, very differently, this podcast Very differently. I'll get into that a little bit afterwards, but keep that in mind, because usually this is Ross. 

05:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We haven't even given the proper background. Basically, this guy on here, the guest on here, talks like a lot of big game about a bunch of stuff, and a lot of it really just doesn't make much sense. So what we're going to try to do is break it down, maybe try and comprehend potentially what's going on here. I don't know if we'll be able to do that in fact, I'm positive we will not be able to do that but we can share some thoughts and then just break it down. Now again not trying to call out any individuals or, like you know, make everyone anyone feel bad but I feel like this is a very good, entertaining segment and I think a lot of people could learn from basically breaking down bullshit when they hear it now and then potentially, uh, being able to replicate this and see other guys who might be lying through their teeth, um, and go at that. I mean, we can't even hear that. 

05:57
Cut this part out I don't know I'm a liar, but I mean listen, he did say, gets paid in sports memorabilia for a major syndicate. He's getting paid with this Rob Gronkowski ball, 17 units. And then the guy's like, here's his PSA graded Rob Gronkowski football. 

06:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I will say this Obviously we bet, we do. We're pretty successful in betting. I'm not going to say you know, I win on everything I do. I've had prolonged losing stretches. It not going to say you know, I went on everything I do, I've had prolonged losing stretches, it doesn't matter. I think in any profession where you dedicate a lot of time to your work and you're successful at it and someone misrepresents themselves in that profession, it's going to frustrate you. Like, if you're a doctor, for example, and then someone just comes in and tells you how to, like you know, operate on a patient who's like never done it before, you're going to say, buddy, the hell are you talking about? And this happens in every profession. So I think it's fine to get triggered by this stuff because, like we're passionate about it, I also don't want people to be misled. Like I hate that. That's what I hate the most when people are are misled and they don't know any better. 

07:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Wait, but didn't, didn't you lose your edge, and that's why you joined bet stamp that's apparently, apparently so. 

07:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I haven't posted a screenshot of last week either. It was another good one, so I have more, more ammunition in the bank for when people come after me. 

07:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
For what? For anyone who didn't see what we're talking about check out my guess yeah, check out rob's twitter. 

07:18
Someone, uh a couple people I guess, were calling him out and then someone got. They triggered him by saying hey, puzzle, is it true that you quit, that you started working at bet stand because you lost your edge in sports betting? And, um, rob, basically, uh, he basically, like you know, I just put that guy in the coffin, but I'll let you guys, I'll let you guys go, uh, check out the tweet, all right zach, hit it simon. 

07:41 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
What's up, man? How are you? 

07:43 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
good brother. Just I'm an anxious guy at this time of year. I'm just getting ready for football. All I can think about is about football, but you know it is. These are times of year. You're trying to kill the days, spend time with family and, you know, make up what you need to just as far as you're gonna disappear for about six months yeah, let's talk about that. 

07:58 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Okay. So we've talked about this before because you've been on the show before, but listen, we get new listeners all the time, new youtube viewers, and maybe they forget from a year ago because you're on about a year ago talking nfl win totals. So just give them your background, simon, and what you're doing now professionally, because I know it's not just media, you also are part of a syndicate, so just give them the rundown yeah, I started betting with syndicate about. 

08:27 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
I might be like you, buddy, having 10 years come pretty fast, but this will be and I'll be entering my 10th season betting professionally. So I started off as a runner for two years, worked my way up to be one of the lead guys in the group I work for betting nfl and that's what I specialize in. So there might be man, we bought a couple other syndicates over the last three years a hundred guys I work with now, but luckily, I'm still the only one that does nfl for my group. So it's a it's a high pressure job for us, as sure as a lot of people understand what they're wanting to work, but I love it and, um, yeah, I pretty much ventured into media. I mean, I think they legalized it in 2018, new jersey, and I moved back here, um, right around then from las vegas and basically, you know, started doing shows with chad millman, uh, who worked for the action network, and we started like he had a show called the favorites. I joined him and I would do maybe like a 15-minute hit just giving out picks and uh, yeah, it's kind of turned on. 

09:30
I would say really crazy how big everything's gotten in the media with sports betting since more states have come along. I'm sure you experienced it raw. So I kind of went from this shady backroom guy, uh, as a sports better to. You know ross can see me now. I'm clean shaved. I do media hits. Um, I try not to curse as much on twitter at people. I'm slowly getting better at it, but I'm still at my core. I'm always looking for the edge. I'm a sports better at my heart, so for me it never, never, doesn't matter how big I'll get in media. I always want to be sports betting and working for a syndicate. So it's been cool experiencing both worlds. 

10:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I've got so many questions just based on you saying that right there, lots of questions immediately pause, pause I don't know. 

10:09
By the way, up to date, he currently hasn't actually said anything, bananas, except for the part where he said he, his syndicate, bought up a few other syndicates but other than that he's actually currently hasn't well, he's just he's given his background, which is very important to under for the listener to understand the context of what someone does. So he, he was a runner for a few years, meaning that he was betting on behalf of other people at sportsbooks, getting money down for other people, essentially for those that don't know. And then he used that and eventually um worked into a higher position where he was, I guess, still betting but, but he was maybe giving out what the picks were supposed to be or whatever, betting mainly NFL. So that's the context we got so far. Definitely, when I'm listening to this the first time, the thing that stands out to me right away was the buying out of other syndicates, which we'll get into, If I'm interviewing him. 

11:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
my first question right off the bat is hey, so you mentioned, you bought a couple other syndicates. How would that possibly work? So hit the roll. 

11:07 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
So how does one betting syndicate buy other betting syndicate? 

11:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh man. 

11:12 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Ross value in doing so, like, how do we buy guys out? Yeah, like I, I guess. How does a syndicate buy other syndicates? 

11:21 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Uh, either, they want to step down like the guys who are running it. 

11:24 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
They, you know, they they're just like okay, so it's the guys who are running it don't want to be the ones, so they're basically selling you their, their clients, their clients. What clients work? 

11:40 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
under them which is like you want to like. If I have, say, five guys on my team that does nfl, it's the best. Like I'm all about adding more smart guys who are established, because there's just not that there's so many frauds out there. But it's really hard to be consistent, especially in nfl, and when I get a bunch of different guys telling me different information, it's the best because I don't know all the answers. I'll tell you right now, like I'm constantly learning. That's learning. That's been a huge advantage to me as a sports. Better, it's like every year I adapt to the league and COVID really magnified that. I mean we had a whole season of no fans. That was major adjustment. That was a big learning thing for me where I took me a little bit to catch up to it. 

12:19
So yeah, the betting, the buying of syndicates, actually is pretty rare but it does happen because guys just want to move on in life. You know, like the guy I work under, bob, I mean he might be 73 now. It's like how much longer is he going to still be doing this? But he's addicted, he loves, he doesn't even care about the money, he just loves the rush. So he's one of those guys where I can't sell him, selling our group. 

12:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Pause it for a second. So do we still have any idea what the buying of syndicates is? 

12:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, he didn't even mention this. 

12:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He said it's pretty rare Some guys want to get out of the business. But I've worked with groups. You can call the group a syndicate, you can call whatever you want. Right To me. I've seen guys just disappear, say I'm done, I'm retired. Sure, maybe they're runners you, they'll go on to work for someone else. Have you ever heard of of the buying, of buying out of another group? 

13:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
personally. No, I'm not saying it's impossible, I agree, but but like I don't really know what you would be buying other than maybe like, are you buying IP? 

13:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like are you buying their models or stuff like that, or accounts? 

13:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
People like a staff. 

13:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I guess I guess. 

13:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I guess, listen, it's possible. It's possible In this scenario. He obviously hasn't answered it. He also did say he recently bought a couple syndicates, so that would even be even more rare. Like you're buying two, three, okay, go ahead, keep, because I think he goes into a little bit more from the clip I saw go ahead. 

13:49 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Um, so let's talk about the syndicate for a second. 

13:52 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Okay, so there's a hundred people you work with, which means a hundred people that that buy in, that put their money in no, there's, there's about a hundred other guys do what I do, which is we, we make bets, we have clients and like we pull money together. 

14:08
Like I just hit really big on the nba finals. I don't know as much I watch basketball, but I watch the sixers. That's as far as my nba knowledge goes, because I work in this group where, like okay, the guy I work with, he gave out the warriors early on, like I'm in that email, like again, it's funny that we still do aol email, but that's where the group is done and he'll just keep sending out different tiers. So we'll say, okay, tonight, golden state, their bets are tier one. That's like you want to bet pretty heavy on that. Other nights, like when I was on boston, he was like or the under, it was a tier three play, it was a lower play. So that's how I'm, like I give out those picks on my own show because I don't know stuff, like I don't know the nba, like that. But I know this guy, he's like me, he's putting 80 hour work into that stuff. 

14:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, there's so much to unravel here. 

14:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm getting really tilted okay first off, this is not a syndicate, it's just a standard tout service that's what I was about to say. 

15:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's got a bunch of clients. What? What syndicate has a bunch of clients? 

15:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
like he's saying. He's literally describing actually a tout service, down to the thing where he says tier one, two, three, play, that's just you know. Oh, hey, yeah, five unit big bomb banger, max bet, oh, this is a one unit, half, half wager. And then he goes on as far as to say and this is actually pretty comical- that he uses AOL Messenger. 

15:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, he didn't say that. 

15:33 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Listen, I'm going to defend Simon. 

15:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Hunter's reputation. I think they're using AOL email address, like it comes from an. 

15:39 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
AOL email. 

15:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, okay, sorry If someone out there is still using AOL Messenger, then there's a real problem. 

15:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's coming, so he's literally sending, basically he's getting an email. Yes, tip yes, tipster, yep, tout, that's what they call it in like the uk tipster and he's getting tips. So when he says I hit big on nba because a guy gave out the celtics, he's literally just he's part of a group, so I'm assuming he doesn't pay for it because he's part of some master tout service. So he's like I'm touting my nfl picks, I get your nba picks and you can get my nfl picks. 

16:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Crowdsourcing touting yes that's what it sounds like to me, that that's the first impression I got. So as soon as he mentions clients to me, okay. 

16:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
but if he just thinks that that is called like a syndicate, that's that's probably. You know what I mean. It's fair, because we don't own the term syndicate, like most people in the betting space would consider it something different, agreed. But in the event that he's just misusing the word or he has a different definition of the word, then he's actually fine. He just runs a tout service with a bunch of guys. 

16:36 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Hit it. No, it's a hundred guys. She's a mom with three kids. She's our cricket expert. Like this woman, you would never know. She looks like a hippie with her glasses. So yeah, man, it's all like people wouldn't even know she's your next door neighbor. You have no idea. This woman deals with hundreds of thousands of dollars All right. 

16:58 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
So I guess my question is let's say I want to be part of the syndicate, not from a knowledge standpoint but from a money standpoint, like I want to put money in. 

17:09 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
How does that? 

17:10 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
part of it work. 

17:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So you stop stop that right there. 

17:12
You see what his response was right away I say I want to put money in. He says so, you want to be a client. It's a tout service. Yeah, it's not. Because obviously, listen, there's people who reach out to me all the time and they're like, how can I get in on your bets? Like, can you just can I just give you a certain amount of money? And when you go bet it, you just like you add a little extra, bet a little extra for me. And I oftentimes I say, like you know, for some sports we're betting to our max, like we're we're bet. So there's no, there's actually no room to cut you in, because I'm working with other partners already divvying up a share. But he mentions it as a client. Like you, you want to get the plays, like you want to. It's essentially the nomenclature he's using. Using is around getting the picks for a fee rather than getting a part of the bet. 

18:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, he's like. You want the picks, you want to be a client, I will sell you a client. 

18:06 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I also just want to say too, this is about the fourth time I've watched this like the video, yeah. So if you're not watching the circles off and you don't normally watch, this might be a good one to watch, because I'll include this video in the actual youtube. But this is around the point where you can tell and rob even had talked to me about it prior to you can tell by ross tucker's like facial expressions and stuff that even he is kind of like what is going on yeah, that's what I felt. 

18:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, obviously, like I I actually haven't watched another one of of ross tucker's youtube video, so I don't know, like certain hosts have their style. Maybe some tune out, maybe some can listen, but like they're focusing on other things. But like you could tell off the bat immediately, when he mentioned the buying of other syndicates, like ross took note of that. He's's like I'm going to hit him on this one. I'm going to ask him another one as the interview goes on and we'll listen to it. I found like the follow-ups got less and less and maybe he was tuning it out more and more. I don't know if he maybe picked up on something of like a lot of this doesn't make sense, but a lot of this doesn't make sense. We'll keep. We'll keep going. 

19:14 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
They would vest you, like you would have to give your social, your driver's license and things like that, and you know they'd probably do a nice little background check on you See if you're working for other groups or see what you're up to, and then you'd pretty much you put on a waiting list and once you're approved they would add you to. You know, if you want to work on, if you wanted to get my plays, they would add you to the list if someone wanted to drop out. But I haven't lost a client in five years and I just doubled the price and they all read up. 

19:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's kind of like. I think it's one of the actually missed that part a couple times too. So now, now it's all clear I mean, it's somewhat. 

19:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's somewhat clear, because he still says that in order for you to buy his picks, you have to submit him a social and an id. Which why would he need that? Yeah, I mean there's, unless he's setting up accounts. But yeah, I wouldn't be doing that? 

20:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. There's lots of reasons you might want to listen the the nature of the business we deal with. If you got guys that can do a quick look up on a guy, you might want to make sure that they're not law enforcement for some reason if you're doing some sort of activities that. I'm not saying I've ever done this, but I'm just putting two and two together of why you'd want to do a background check on a person for the most part. But right away he says that he doubled his price for this year. 

20:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's but you said he hasn't lost a client in five years, that's, and he doubled price. Why doesn't he just have more? 

20:35 - Zack Phillips (Other)
clients. They talk about that, don't worry, go ahead. Not right here, I don't know, but they talk about it. Okay, let's go, let's hit it. 

20:42 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
You get in, you don't want to leave it and you know how it is no-transcript. I took a risk. I wanted more money and by the weekend, every person signed up for the upcoming 2022 season, so I'm in a good spot with that so do they only do nfl, or do they have to do everything, or they can pick and choose their sports pick and choose. So like I only take on 100 people, I wish I took on more, but they're a little old school. They don't want me to have a bigger list. What? 

21:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
for what? That's something I told him I wish I could take on more. 

21:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Why don't? 

21:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
you just take on more clients when you're just selling pigs or useless garbage they who? 

21:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not clear on who they is. So there's somebody above him. Big brother, they do not want Bob's. Yeah, he works for Bob. 

21:42 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Sorry, bob, thank you, he's 73. 

21:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Bob is 73. Works for Bob, so they is Bob and presumably someone else who's above him does not want him to have more, more clients. 

21:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If he to have more more clients. 

21:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If he's okay with a hundred, then he's okay with a thousand, but okay now now, now this is public and it's out there so we can talk about it. He said all this stuff under his own. If you didn't want somebody to have more clients, you're probably running an operation that's not kosher. But what do you mean? Like they're doing something where they don't want to cause a stir, dude, they're sending out nfl pics to 100 people. 

22:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't. I don't want to cause a stir. Dude, they're sending out NFL picks to a hundred people. I don't. I don't know what's going on there's no there's literally no reason for a hundred to be the max. A hundred can't be a reasonable max. 

22:24 - Zack Phillips (Other)
But I know what Rob's saying, though, too. Like tie in now the social security number and your ID Right? 

22:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You putting the pieces together here. 

22:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, the pieces together here. No, I literally have zero clue what's going. 

22:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have no clue either, but I'm trying to decipher here why you would need to do background checks on people. Then you're trying to keep the operation as small as possible and you're selling pics like either this is run by you know some gangsters or something who just don't want to. 

22:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, I don't even think it's that I don't, I don't even say I, I don't know, I don't know what's going on. I don't even think it's that, I don't even say that. 

22:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm trying to decipher just as much as everyone else. 

23:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
At this point in the video, what I think is happening is he has a tout list and he sells picks. 

23:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I think honestly that's it. Yeah, I think that's it. It's a bunch of made up stuff. 

23:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, I know definitely a guy, bob, 73 years old. But I just don't know if that guy maybe had started the tout service, then gave this guy clients or something maybe. But like in terms of like why you would want it, just to me it wouldn't make sense as to why you would cap it at 100 clients for a tout service if they're, if you're getting paid clients also, especially if every single client, if you're saying you, every single client is re-upping and everybody's doubling and there's people asking to get in. 

23:37
So, logically speaking, 100 people having your NFL pick is the same as 1 million people having your NFL pick. 

23:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Agreed, but so now what I'm saying to you. 

23:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If it's a valuable pick, it's not the same thing. 

23:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What I'm putting out there is why would you ever want to restrict the amount of people? It's just restricting the amount of money. Hopefully it doesn't make sense, though. That's why let's see why they don't want him to have more than 100. 

24:01 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Constantly because I want more money, like anyone else, of course, but I get it. These guys are old school. There's a way it's done so. They keep the clientele small and secure and there's a value to that. 

24:12 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
There's a value to that, but yeah. 

24:13 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
I would say the most you can have is 100 per sport. Football is easily our biggest sport. Nfl, college, those are the two biggest ones Internationally. Cricket, soccer, NBA, those are probably the biggest ones, but for here in America it definitely goes NFL, college football and then baseball is our biggest charge for selecting picks. So one thing you said earlier, you said it's a high-pressure job. 

24:42 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Talk about that. Talk about that. There's 100 people you work with. You're the only one who bets NFL. 

24:49 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Well, I got guys under me. They bet it, but they don't put up the list, they don't put up the plays when it all comes down to it, I'm the one that dictates what we're playing. That week Okay. 

25:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's got guys under him. He releases the plays that bet it, but they don't put out the list. So he's just got clients who he's literally releasing the picks to that are just going to bet it. 

25:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Listen everything I'm saying right now. Maybe, maybe that's true You're getting a real live reaction. I'm still very confused. I'm hoping, obviously, that within the next 10 minutes, but I think it's clear cut at this point. I mean, I don't even know what's going on. I'm using exact words. 

25:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm the only one I'm not the only one who bets NFL. 

25:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He says there's people under me that bet NFLfl, but they don't put out the list. Yeah, they just get the plays sent to them and they bet them. 

25:41 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Yes, maybe is what he's inferring. Yes, okay, through all this stuff with these guys, I'm not. There's certain weeks where, yeah, I'll take senior role. I'll be like no, like we're taking this dog here because I hate betting favorites. But if a guy gives me enough reasons, I'll take a favorite. No, there's just always such value in the dog and taking the money line. 

25:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, there isn't so pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. So he, you're telling me, he, this guy who, by the way, we can pull up his old videos of what he said on on some other stuff, I think. 

26:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think we might have covered. 

26:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is an absolute troll, though, because how is he saying that he's running the nfl plays? He's the big dog running nfl plays, hundreds of thousands of dollars, hundreds of people syndicate and then goes as far as to literally just say what he just said, which was I mean I can't quote it because it's just there's always value in betting the dog's money line and I hate betting the favorites. 

26:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I hate betting the favorites, but if you give me a reason to bet the favorite, I will, yeah, he said. 

26:35 - Zack Phillips (Other)
and on top of that too, he says sometimes I take the senior role and say, no, this is what we're betting on. 

26:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You picked up on something I didn't. What does that even mean? Sometimes I take the senior role Because he's saying, yeah, he did mention that. Sometimes he like kiboshes, other picks, and be like no, no, no, no, we're doing picks and be like no, no, no we're doing. 

26:57 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
I'm in the blender right now. Let's see if we can. I have no idea. Baseball is our biggest charge for like the rewind picks. 

27:02 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
So one of the things you said earlier you said it's a high pressure job. Yeah, talk about that. Talk about that. There's a hundred people you work with. You're the only one who bets nfl. 

27:12 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Well, I got guys under me that they bet it but they're not. They don't put up the list like they don't put out the plays. When it all comes down to I'm the one that dictates what we're playing that week. Again, I go through all this stuff with these guys. I'm not. There's certain weeks where, yeah, I'll take senior role. I'll be like no, like we're taking this dog here because I hate betting favorites. But if a guy gives me enough reasons, I'll take favorite. There's just always such value in the dog and taking the money lining on her dog. 

27:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I might have caught up on something here. I think what he's saying is members of the syndicate, aka his tout list. Can send him suggestions. You're saying like a guy under him is like what do you think of cowboys this week? 

27:51
Oh, you know what I think it is. You know how, like tout groups, okay, the cowboys this week. Oh, you know what I think it is. You know, like tout groups, okay, you know tout groups. Sometimes they'll have like different touts that way, like, oh, they could be like, oh, this guy's hot this week, check out this guy. So they probably have the animals. You know, I have a few different touts. 

28:04
Yeah, the animal crew yeah, the farm they probably have a few, a few different touts and then so he's the head tout for nfl, he's calling the shots for nfl, he releases the plays to the client list. But other people could obviously be like give me the chargers this week and it'll be like no, they're a favorite. 

28:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Next, I give it. I'll occasionally take a favorite if you give me a good reason to it's like yeah how about like? The line is three and it should be four and a half. That's a good reason to take the favorite. 

28:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No like if I don't, okay, okay, keep going, keep going. This is great, it's actually pretty good. 

28:39 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
It's the losing streaks. Everyone's going to lose, of course, as a pro. I'm used to that, I know that, but I feel like the thing, what I'm so great at is, it's never more than two weeks, and especially during the NFL season. I've never had back-to-back like really bad losing weeks. 

28:54 - Zack Phillips (Other)
He also did just say Never more than two weeks. Never more than two weeks. I've never had two weeks. No, he said, he never had back-to-back bad losing weeks, so like he probably lost a couple of units. 

29:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Nothing bad, go ahead. 

29:07 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
But it does happen Like I've had losing months. I mean last year I had a really bad October, which was very rare for me Stop. 

29:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I had a really bad October, which is very rare for me. Stop, Please stop right now. I've never had back-to-back bad losing weeks followed by about 10 seconds later. Last year, I had a really bad October. 

29:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And preceded by it's never more than two weeks. 

29:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now I will say October 2021, there were at least five sundays. If there were only four sundays, this story is actually impossible technically. What he's saying is possible. You might have had like a really bad first, third and fifth week. Okay, listen, it checks out, it checks out so listen, I mean it is possible, can, can't call a full BS on that. Did you actually go back and look. I got the calendar up right in front of me, october 2021. I knew this was coming. I knew that part was coming Nice, okay, go ahead. 

30:05 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
But luckily, november, december, the playoffs were incredible for me, so that stuff's like that's what it's all about. But when you're in the thick of it, like you're in the middle of this football season and you're losing and it's cold here in new jersey, man, the air it smells terrible, the food tastes awful, your life is just terrible. But then once I start winning again, it kind of brings it back. But I think that's you need to be that kind of way to make it in this business. You kind of you can't be like oh, it's all good, I'll get it back. No, you need to kind of suffer and be like, instead of putting 80 hours in this week, I'm putting 85. 

30:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, it's Fred investing. 

30:36 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Please Trying to get this locked down. So for me it's again the money's awesome, but it's definitely about the feeling of being right on a Tuesday for a game on a Sunday is the coolest feeling in the world, like sometimes the lines will open and I'll know literally on a Monday, like that's a trap. The whole public's going to be betting this one side and I will all week will be betting consistently on the other number and I'll just keep getting good value and the sports books will never know it's me, cause I'm such a small. 

31:03
I'm done with bets at a time. They won't know that I'm taking advantage of it. 

31:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No we got to rewind that there's. There's actually way too. Oh man, something sent me for like we didn't pause it quick enough, man, we didn't. 

31:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I was like I can't even remember now, because it's the losing streaks. Okay, rewind it we. Oh my god man. Ah, he's literally said that he keeps betting slowly but but surely against the public and he keeps getting good value. But that would literally just mean he keeps getting bad value. He keeps betting, yeah, but gains the number number Like if it's still available, and he's keep getting better number every time that he's getting bad value on his previous ones. 

31:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, agreed, but they'll never know it's him. But they'll never know it's him. Oh, you know what he said. It was something about, oh, the 85 hours a week. 

32:00
Okay, first of all, if anyone thinks that they're like when you're in a slump if you put in like an extra four or five hours the next week, it's going to change things, ain't going to change things. There's there's working hard. Listen, you can work hard and make money by working hard, and I don't think anyone who bets on sports would say that they don't work hard. But this is not something where it's like oh rough stretch, going to get up a couple hours earlier, going to grind a little bit harder. 

32:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What is he doing in those five extra hours? 

32:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Why is he not? 

32:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
doing that every week, then that's that much more profitable. 

32:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't get it, man, I don't get it. But the public betting stuff, that's how you already know that this is I mean, for lack of a better term like mickey mouse operation, because you would never, ever, ever see someone who seriously bets the nfl at a high level, who would even care about what other people are betting, at least from a public perspective. You'd care about what other people are betting because you want to time your bets always and that's important because you're always looking for the best to get the best of the number. But like the whole notion of a trap of the books put we had chris bennett on last week okay, the whole notion of a trap line. The guy's like yeah, some days I just come in. I'm like yeah, I just literally just say this is the number, what? 

33:24
like that and he's posting nfl lines for one of the three market makers literally one of the market makers is saying, yeah, you know, sometimes they come in and it's like, yeah, you know, I think that one's off, we're gonna move it a little bit and and whatever. Like the whole notion that odds makers put out trap lines. I don't know where this started. I don't know how it's continued. I don't know how people still bet into this stuff. I mean, I, every content publication puts stuff out there in regards of the, the public betting percentages, so I can, I can see why nobody knows that it's nonsense, but for those watching it is absolutely nonsense. 

34:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So hold up though the part. The part that he says about, uh, that he keeps betting a little bit at a time throughout the week is also hilarious, because he's probably getting like, if he has to bet, how much are you betting? That you have to bet a little bit at a time. 

34:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let's be realistic okay, first and foremost and here's another thing that we know from experience right, most of the soft recreational books, the non-market makers they're really only moving their lines based off of the market makers. For the most part, we can't say that with absolute certainty. Obviously some smaller book might take a big bet, move their number, balance, action, whatever, but for the most part a lot of these books are just looking at circa las vegas bet chris, pinnacle, and they're shading the lines based off of their clientele and whenever one of those books moves, they're going to move their number as well well, they also just take it from the like it's not draft kings actually moving lines their odds provider sb tech, they're what have like UK base, US base, and then they just like trade it and assume it. 

35:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And if they take a big bet on another SB Tech platform and then technically I guess they could use that as well. But yes, for the most part 100%. 

35:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So the point I'm getting at here is that, especially again, if we go back to the chris bennett interview last week, people like please check it out. It was, you know, really interesting stuff. But he debunked the myth of the 50 50 action on games, says don't most of the games we don't have 50, 50 action, we're not trying to get 50, 50 action. And when I you know a lot of people think that the book's trying to balance the action so that they're guaranteed money, no, no matter what side comes in. And he's like no, we don't do that. 

35:47
So now, knowing that and having consulted for sports books myself, and knowing that they do the same thing, the public action doesn't mean anything. They don't care the number, the public's not going to move the number anyways. So like, if he's waiting for the public to take like, it's not going to move the number anyways. So like, if he's waiting for the public to take a like, it's not going to happen. There's not an influential, an influential bet has to come in for the most part for the number to move. The public betting means nothing. You know what I'm saying? 

36:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
this guy's literally going to rewind the action rewind it because I actually got to hear what he says about getting a little bit amount down in time. So the sports book will never know it's him way to make it in this business. 

36:25 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
You kind of you can't be like oh it's all good, I'll get it back. No, you need to kind of suffer and be like, instead of putting 80 hours in this week, I'm putting 85 hey, guess what? 

36:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I always put 85 sleeping, always put 90 if it's valuable. 

36:36 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
So for me it's um again, the money's awesome, but it's definitely about the feeling of being right on a tuesday for a game on a sunday is the coolest feeling on the close, close, close. 

36:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Sometimes it lands. Okay, the only way you could actually in theory be right on tuesday for a game on a sunday is if you achieve market closing line value correct and I'll be all end of discussion. If you want to argue, we could do it at another time for anyone but that's, that's it yep next sometimes the lines will open and I'll know, literally on a Monday, like that's a trap. 

37:05 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
The whole public's going to be betting this one side and I will all week, will be betting consistently on the other number and I'll just keep getting good value and the sports books will never know it's me. 

37:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay by nature. What he's saying right now is a contradiction. The value becomes. The value comes in the form of beating the closing line. And whether you want to say, oh, closing line value is not that indicator, at the very end of the day you do have value because you can arb out pregame at a higher limit and then just make your profit in expected value there. So if you have something that is minus six and then that game closes minus 10, you have value on that Tons of value. 

37:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You have tons of value because you can arb it out. You can value on tons of value. You have tons of value. 

37:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You can actually arbiter, you can calculate exactly how much value and in, and some books as well, you could actually cash out your bet for a higher value than you actually place the bet for sure and that would even be with a vig exactly so in this scenario, what he's saying is the game will open. 

37:55
Uh, call it eagles minus six versus the cowboys, all right, maybe not this year, but eagles minus six versus the cowboys. And what he's saying is everyone's going to be on the eagles, that's going to be a trap game. The public's going to keep coming in on the eagles, so I'm going to bet the other side slowly. So that means he's going to bet minus. He's gonna bet cowboys plus six. Okay, eagles move minus seven. He's like I'm getting great value, now that's plus seven. So now his plus six underwater plus seven, neutral goes seven and a half. Even better value his plus seven and a half now neutral, plus seven, underwater, plus six. See ya, he keeps going up. And then he's like now I just have great value bets. And they're all such small amounts that the sports book will never know it's me, never know, it's you what. They will gladly take your action, of course, on the plus six when they're closing, minus nine the sportsbook's never gonna know it's him, because they're never gonna find out your account. 

38:53
It's gonna be so far in the red. They're gonna look, they're gonna know it's you because they're gonna give you an offer for the vip program. 

38:59 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Keep going such little bets at a time. They won't know that I'm taking advantage of them. So that, to me, is why I love doing what I do. 

39:07 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
I love athletic greens, simon. When you're in those bad moments, the air doesn't taste good or whatever. Get some athletic greens. 75 high-quality vitamins, minerals, whole food source superfoods, probiotics and adaptogens. Simon, you don't look, no offense. You don't look like a guy that eats a lot of vegetables, and I don't mean that from your physique, I just don't picture you eating a lot of vegetables. So let's talk turkey. Okay, I got one more question though. Yes, please. So how do you, how do they let you do media and why do they let you do great, incredible question talk about the plays that you like. Is there a negative there? Or I guess they've already made those plays by the time you say? 

39:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
oh, this is the clip I've seen now this definitely that they already made the plays. 

39:53 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
And this isn't my real name, which is another reason I'm allowed to get away and do this. Who? 

39:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
cares. The biggest thing is yeah, well, who cares matter if it's his real name? 

40:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
no, no, especially when you're putting your old face out there. It's completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's his real name or not. No, especially when you're putting your old face out there. It's completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter. If you have pull, you have pull. If you're going to say something publicly, who cares? 

40:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
if it's your real name. Yeah, I mean at this point that might as well be his real name. It's the same thing. 

40:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I could go on the Matchbook podcast this year as Bob Rizzola and start giving out plays. They're still gonna move it while I'm talking about them in real time, like there's no way around it, if you like, who cares? If it's not your real name, it's completely irrelevant. 

40:32 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Anyways, keep going I pay for all of it. Like what last year that mac jones going fifth overall and trey going third. I got some really good info about that draft thing and the guy told me straight up if you give this out on your show, you've got to give me 10% of whatever you win on that. Again, I'm already paying a vig and a juice every time I make a bet. Now you're paying more. So I don't do it. Often, honestly, During the season I'll give out big plays. Those are my own personal plays. But if I get a tip of this other group really liked what was a really big one for me, oh, the final week of the year I had a group that loved the Jaguars. I think they might have been catching eight at home against the Colts, Catching like 14. 

41:13
I gave that on the show. I had to pay a big fee on that. 

41:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So that's one of those where it's like there's. 

41:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh yeah, we missed too much. Go ahead, okay. 

41:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
First of all, if he's going to give out another group stuff, there's a high likelihood that if that group is a successful group, well, he said it already moved at the beginning. 

41:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, so ross asked him. Then he said he's like well, what? Why did I do? They already bet? 

41:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
he's like yeah, they already bet it right, but um, so there's two options here right, no value. 

41:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
On the after move agreed but it didn't even move. He's not, it's either. 

41:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It moved and there's no long, there's no value because they would have kept betting it at that number or it didn't move, in which case either they have like a really great operation where they can keep things under wraps highly unlikely at this point, the amount of backend PPH access, but we can get into that another day or it didn't move and there's no real value. So like that's, that's just like it's just bad. 

42:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I mean, I also don't really understand, how he said like okay, so he's going to give 10%, 10 of his bet. I was fixated on that too. No, no, well, how and I'm not trying to amount, shame, because I hate that but how much are you betting that you're given 20, like like I gotta calculate the odds. Okay, rob, talk, I'm gonna calculate the odds on if he's betting a minus 10 and he gives out 20 but he said 10 he said 10, 10, 10, 10. 

42:43
What's he betting minus 200? Yeah, that's what I out 20%, but he said 10. He said 10%, 10%, 10%. What's he betting Minus 200? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 

42:48 - Zack Phillips (Other)
No, he doesn't bet favorites. Well, that's true. 

42:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, no, he occasionally bets favorites, okay. But in this scenario, if you're giving out 10% of your bet on a free roll, essentially so now if you lose you're on the hook for it. But if it wins, like you're giving out that 10% of the win, you're betting a way higher VIG than what the original bet is. So it's very possible you don't even have an edge at that number. Now, if it's info-based, like Mac Jones, trey, lance, okay, sure there might be an argument where somebody says I know this is Info-based that actually does happen, and then you do, typically, would share a slice of the bet. 

43:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Correct, but what he said is, though, is like if you give this out on your show, it would have nothing to do with giving it out on the show. It would have more to do with, like, if I'm giving you the info-. 

43:34 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, somebody messages me and says hey, you know my bet with them 100. It's the way it is, in some ways like this part, I know, like not completely, but in some ways it's like he's paying a tout service for picks to give out, to turn around and give it. 

43:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I I don't know that he says another group. I don't know what his definition of another group is. This is what causes like so much complexity in this situation, because if I say another group, me personally Johnny says another group. These are people that we've had on this podcast before Guys like Harood and Drew, for example, like guys that we know are serious bettors, that when we get information from them it's good info and they're telling us to bet it at current market number. Whatever. That to me is another group. It's not somebody who's selling picks to a hundred percent. You know a client list of a hundred to me. I'm not calling that another group. So that's where the complexity comes in for me all right, let's replay back here and see. 

44:39 - Zack Phillips (Other)
We see what he says here, okay of the jaguars. 

44:42 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
I think they might even catch an eight at home against the colts. I gave that on the show. I had to pay a big fee on that. So that's one of those where it's like there's an agreement with these groups and if I'm going to give out their stuff, of course I'll always pay it back, just because I think any gambler knows it's. It's kind of a karma-based business like you need good karma, literally not even a bad karma business. 

45:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Pause, pause, pause. Honestly, I think it's actually the inverse. 

45:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think the bigger a scumbag you are, the further you get ahead in the gambling business. I'll tell you how big of a scumbag I am. Most of the serious people I know they may be good people at heart, but ruthless in the gambling business. Let's put it that way. Let's just say if karma was a real thing, most of my inner circle they wouldn't be. 

45:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Would be bust. Yeah, they would be under a bridge, I'll break this down quick, so in terms of, like giving away a percentage of your bet. Now, I don't really know exactly what he's saying. As pretty much as with this whole interview, I have no idea what's going on. It's a lot of deciphering. So he says if someone gives him a tip, which Jags plus eight, whatever, as Rob mentioned, he said they're plus 14. 

45:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm pretty sure I'm going to look it up. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter. 

45:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Let's just say he gives it out Jags plus eight. Let's say, gives it out jags plus eight and he had jags plus eight. So if he's betting jags plus eight, if he needs to tip 10 to the guy if he wins the bet and not if he loses the bet, there's literally zero chances profitable. Because now, instead of betting minus 110, instead of laying 110 to win 100, he's laying 110 to win 90, so just to give up 10 of the winnings. So now he's laying, like a you know, minus 123, 25. So he can, you can't win on that. That's just dumb. You're never going to win with that. However, he's not clear. If he just is saying if someone sends me a pick, then I send them back 10% of my bet volume, like they get a 10% cut, win or loss, then I actually suppose that that is fine, like there's no, I wouldn't. That wouldn't be crazy. So, um, up to interpretation, but I I have no idea what he's saying. 

46:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think this whole interview is up to interpretation. I will say, like listen, this is not. I'm not the best interviewer in the world, definitely not I. I really wish that I could be in Ross Tucker's chair for this one Just asking questions. 

47:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What did he say at the end, though? What we were laughing at right at the end? 

47:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. Rewind this a little. 

47:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
There's been too much there's been too much. 

47:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
that's happened, that's been. 

47:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We had to stop as every five seconds with all the content is jam packed in here. 

47:20 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Final week of the year I had a group that loved the jaguars. I think they might have been catching eight at home against the colts. I gave that on the show. I had to pay a big fee on that, so that's one of those where it's like he probably pays an agreement with these groups, some sort of stuff. Of course I'll always pay it back, just because I think any gambler knows it's. 

47:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's kind of a karma based business. Like you, need good karma to make it in this business literally not even at all a karma based business, literally a relationship business. 

47:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, which, if that, if he means that it's fair, you definitely have to have good relationships, but it's pretty much a numbers game and a statistical based business, but also like if, if another group came to you and said, like we like the jags, plus 14 against the colts final week of the season, what happens if you're like I also like the jags, and then you go out and give them it's? 

48:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
an honor system. It's an honor system like you shouldn't be doing that technically, but the way I see it is like, what type of fee is he paying? Like, do you, do I pay you like? So if you're telling me like I, like the jags, I pay you a grand, I'm never going to be positive if I have to pay you a grand. But if I give you a percentage which is illegal, by the way, but if whatever something happened, then maybe I guess like yeah, I'm not diluting my winnings and not my losses. But it seems here like if someone gives him a pick and he gives it on the show he's got to pay them. 

48:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
A lump sum is what it appears and obviously, quite obviously, you cannot win if you're doing that. You know what happens with the best football bettors when someone else gives them a pick, they don't care because they're already a great football better. Like seriously, I can't tell. I can tell you the amount of times in a weekly basis where you know I know that opinions of other sharp bettors are opposite of mine. They'll give me a pick. I'd be like, okay, that's great, they're going to go hit the market on this later on in the week. I'll bet the opposite side, like most football bettors don't even care about that stuff. I just want to call that out. 

49:24
I'm not saying that you can't value other people's opinions, because you do. There's certain people you don't like. If I notice I'm on the opposite side of X person every single week regularly, that's going to be a cause for concern for me because I know that person wins at betting the NFL. But occasionally if someone else is on the opposite side or they say I really like this game but personally I don't like the game, there's not many pros that are going out to bet that because somebody else told them to just want to put that out there. 

49:52 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
Fair enough all right, hit it, build a good relationship. So I I've never gotten out of play where I didn't pay that person for that information or paid back. You know the people that helped me out in other ways. Again, it's we. There's so much to get into. Obviously you don't have time for but a lot of my pay is in memorabilia, like if I kill it in a bet, instead of tipping me cash, a guy will tip me in a tom brady rookie card, so awesome tip him in a rob gronk. 

50:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you know what that guy could do is he could tip you in cash, in cash, and you can. If you can really want to get the Tom Brady rookie card with the cash, cash is much more valuable Because you can do whatever you want with the cash. 

50:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know why. I don't know. 

50:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't get it. Actually, this part made me actually laugh a lot. 

50:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is literally the equivalent of saying basically. It's the equivalent of saying this yeah, I work a full-time job, I make a lot of money, but there's so much to get into because, uh, I don't get paid in uh canadian, I get paid in uh us dollars. It's literally the equivalent. Yeah yeah, so much to get into man, because they pay me in uh in euros. 

50:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's like if I, if I, if I said you know, johnny, I really like this team this week and they win, and I came into the office and you're like Rob, I'm going to get your groceries for this week you can charge. Instead of charging your car at home on your own power, you could charge in my garage. 

51:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like I owe you 20 bucks but I'm going to get you a lunch. 

51:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, exactly Equivalent, same thing I don't understand this at all. I mean, if he's a big fan of memorabilia, I guess I get it. I I don't. I don't know man, I really don't know. It's pretty funny man. It was this actually I. I wish I could have, um, I wish I could watch this live. I wish I could have actually done like a live reaction there's a lot left, no, or is? 

51:43 - Zack Phillips (Other)
done. There's a little bit more. 

51:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Most of it's like uh. The rest is like uh. 

51:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Futures before, like for wind, total picks by the way, and he's giving those out for free. We should watch this. 

51:53 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
And they've a bunch of them have already moved Any references that they've already a lot of trading of goods for picks, so there's a lot that does go into it, but I always, I always balance out whatever I owe to someone, if I give out a plug I trade my pokemon cards all right so? 

52:10 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
so what are some of the here we are, you know early mid-july, what are some of the season win totals? 

52:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
these are just kind of liking right. Hold up, hold up. I want to see his picks. Okay, you want to go into them so we can go. 

52:22 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
We're going to break down his picks I'm going to be one of the few people all year that's going to be pounding this team, but I love the Jaguars coming into this team. 

52:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Literally not one of the few people. I'm looking at a team that literally entire market is steamed over. 

52:32 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
They're already going from the worst coaching hire in football to Doug Peterson and knows how to run a really good offense. 

52:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't want to listen to Jackson. 

52:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm sorry, I can't go through this again. 

52:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm sorry. 

52:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I said I, I actually agree with a couple things that he said in these picks things, but it's irrelevant because the numbers have moved so significantly on two of his win totals that it's like you would be insane to bet it now. 

52:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Actually, you'd be an insane person to bet we got to make some circles off bets between me and you. 

53:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'd love to fire some bets. 

53:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, but I'm saying we got to fire some bets between me and you and then keep a scoreboard, For example. A thing would be like we just fire off a wager on if we think the picks he gives out on the show are going to be a net winner or a net loser. 

53:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's interesting. 

53:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And then we just fire them off. We can even keep him on a board. 

53:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We could do whatever we could do, whatever, um, this was, that was. I mean, it's very entertaining you. If you want to listen to the pics, you can listen this has been episode 61 62 but um yeah there's so much there's. There's a lot of background. I think we covered this before. I think we did a segment on simon hunter on this podcast before. We're 62 episodes deep now. I don't remember what we did. 

53:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We did the one about him giving out the thing where he said he only buys the half point on his biggest bets, but not if he's gonna bet a thousand ten grand. Sorry, I've said if it's gonna be a ten grand, of course he's gonna buy a half point. Yeah bang, ten grand, of course, grand Of course, your biggest edge. 

54:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're going to bet the most money. He also did a segment which the duffel bag. 

54:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The duffel bag, the duffel bag. 

54:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He gives his runners 5K. That's him In duffel bags. Yeah, no way, that's him. Yeah. Yeah, I think we aired that clip. 

54:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, we literally have to have him on the show. There's no other way. We have to have him on and let him rebuttal all the points we make and then let's see if we can get some actual clear understanding on like. 

54:30 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I'm literally in the process of messaging him right now. 

54:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Producer Zach, please message him and see if we 

54:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
can actually get him on the show If not at least Chad Millman at the Action Network as well, because, like Chad puts this guy on it, I this guy on it. I have no problems with chad millman personally, I know whatever, but someone, someone has to explain this to me, because there was way too much going on here. That was just like it was. 

54:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Actually it was too much. I still don't know what's going on. I wish I just watched the clips, because I thought that I'm like I don't really know what's going on because I just got I'm watching only the clips, but the full not really painting a clearer picture. 

55:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What this actually really reminds me of is if I went up to one of my friends, like a close friend of mine that, let's say, bets on sports, understands betting, and I said to them, hey, like 9 am, I told him in the morning, 5 pm, today you're doing an interview and you got to pretend that you're you run like Today you're doing an interview and you've got to pretend that you're a pro bettor. This is how I would expect them to answer questions. There's no clarity on anything. It's just a bunch of rambling. By the way, I don't use my real name for the podcast either. That's how my betting partners allow me to do circles off and give away information. I don't use my real name. My real name is Pepino Cocuzzo. 

55:56 - Simon Hunter Clip (Guest)
All right. 

55:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, I mean, how long we've been running this sack? An hour too long, too long. 

56:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Time to wrap it up. We got some good stuff coming up over the rest of the summer. Obviously, as we get into football season here, we'll be bringing on some more football guests and we're going to do some um strategy as well. Uh, getting into survivor picks, which a lot of people are into how to fill out those weekly um picks contests as well for the stale lines pools. Got a lot of good stuff coming up. Um, if you enjoyed this episode, please thumbs up on youtube or rate and review five stars wherever you're listening to it. Please also hit that subscribe bell. Is it a bell? 

56:36 - Zack Phillips (Other)
now it's a button. There's a button, but there's a bell for notifications. Thank you, zach. 

56:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All right, but this has been episode number 62, jason kelsey of circles off signing off. 

56:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
As I always say, ride the wave or get out of the water.