00:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
welcome to circles off episode number 68. Very obvious 68 yarmir yager yes the legend also when I was growing up. This might outdate me, but zigman palfi ziggy palfrey was a 68 uh as well I mean again we're probably forgetting about like a million offensive linemen, right? That war 68. It's hard when you it's nothing. 

00:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No offensive lineman comes to mind I'm pretty sure was this guy 68 too current nhl, or mike hoffman? 

00:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
oh yeah, 68. Other than that, my knowledge outside of the nhl and nfl when it comes to numbers is not great. 

00:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So he was 66, I missed him, you missed him on yassiel puig, puig yeah, I thought it was 68, we were so obsessed with lemieux on that day because it was so easy yeah that we missed yassiel puig. 

01:04 - Zack Phillips (Other)
All right, I actually love yourself like when you go to these and you look cross sport, when you get into the range of basically I think it's 60 to high 70s, there's basically no nba players like none that wore any of those numbers ever ever. 

01:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Each league has like some sort of rules when it comes to jersey numbers. 

01:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know if there's anything specific to NBA where they can't. Can you wear six and above as your starting number in NBA? Wasn't it like the hands thing? Because then they go like foul 50. 

01:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you can't do like an. 

01:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, I don't know. 

01:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It was a thing when I was in like, so you couldn't wear six so, because the guy would be like foul 55 and you can do the thing, but he couldn't do 56. You have to go like five, six, right, right. 

01:50 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Check that out. 

01:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It might be a thing I don't even know if that's true or not. 

01:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I hope it is. It might just be a fallacy. 

01:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Completely unrelated and we will get into the Q a episode here. Did you guys watch the uh tim donahue scandal thing on netflix? I had already known most of the story but I did not but the appearance of the animals at the bar watching the game. 

02:13
When I talk about the animals, I'm talking about like the, the betting syndicate group that was very popular in the 80s for like news-based moves that now sell a bunch of pics of stuff that's already steamed hilarious. Like they're just in the background of of these philly godfather in the background just watching donahue game on the tv at like a bar. I don't know why I found it so funny. 

02:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I was just laughing every single time that happened I'm pretty sure that that the philly godfather thing is just like the fake. They're not actually selling. It's not the real guys from the animal crew. He just says that. 

02:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh yeah, I'm sure it's not like the original people. 

02:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that guy. 

02:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Philly Seal, Philly Penguin? 

02:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think that guy, tiger, sells picks right now. I don't know, I don't think he does, I don't. I highly doubt it, but I don't spank you. Respects him a lot and talks. 

03:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't think he sells picks. I heard him on. Yeah, I agree with you. I think those are just aliases, I don't know for sure, but anyways it was um interesting documentary I would recommend checking out, no matter what. The reason why is like it's impossible to decipher which of these guys is like really telling an honest story and which guy is lying. 

03:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So it adds like a little bit of uh an added okay, let me watch it and then we'll break it down on another one. Okay, interesting, it's an interesting doc Question and answer episode. All right, we asked to put up a tweet For future. If you're listening here, follow us on Twitter at Circles Off. You can hit the notifications on. All we do is use it as kind of like an RSS feed so you'll get a notification when a new episode's out, and occasionally we will post about topics that we do want to discuss. So it's a good way to just have a notification on for there and then, if you have a question, fire it. Just reply to the tweet and we'll make sure that we answer them. We typically answer every question that comes through, except if it's something that we can't answer, in which case we'll usually address it and say that we can't answer, in which case we'll usually address it and say, ah, we won't be answering this one. But for the most part, you can get anything answered on the air as long as it's able to be there, and we don't really skip any. So enjoy. 

04:12
This is it for this week. A couple categories here. The first question, though. We want to start with this one, Rob. This one was for Rob. What was going through your mind during that last minute of Monday Night Football in Seattle. 

04:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow, that was a what was going through my mind at that time. So it seemed like everything was happening in slow motion for me, because I actually couldn't believe what I was witnessing for a lot of that, the amount of clock that the Seahawks burned. Getting you know, I'm thinking okay, they're burning clock here because they're going to quickly run a play. If they don't convert this fourth down, then they still have three timeouts left. The game's not over. They might be able to force a stop, get the ball back. So I thought that's what they were thinking. And then they call a timeout. Russell Wilson calls a timeout with one second left on the play clock. So now they've burned all this clock. They don't really have an any other option but to kick a field goal or go for. It's not like they they weren't going to do that anyways, but the as soon as I saw the field goal kicker come on the field, I was I like I laughed randall mcmanus. 

05:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I actually does have a boot, though oh the the kick was far enough. 

05:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
For those that don't know like it was, a 64 yard attempt would have been the longest in nfl history. It was far enough. It missed wide. I would say that I don't know the actual answer. The teams would know more than me in terms of the probability of converting that it's in seattle historically a tougher place to kick. Conditions were not the most miserable um this week, but probably like a 20 hit rate, I would guess. 

05:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know, honestly, I think it might be higher than that. I think that my first thought was like people were underrating the, the actual chance of making the kick possibly so. 

05:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I saw, uh, I think it was espn's model had 27. I think deck prism was. Uh, I think david al said he had something like 25. I could be misquoting, I'm just trying to remember off the top of my head, but that's the range that people were giving overall. I mean, there's a few things to consider, right, obviously, when you do have a longer kick, higher percentage of it getting blocked because you're typically kicking the ball a little bit lower. So there is, you know, a lot that goes into it. But ultimately, you know, I couldn't help but laugh Like you know I, I, I couldn't help but laugh like I'm I. I just saw it happening in real time. I'm like it's very obvious to me that they should go forward here, like extremely obvious that they're going to go forward on fourth and five russell, wilson. You know all, all the people want to look at the final score and say broncos only scored 16 points. They moved the ball pretty well over the course of two fumbles at the one yard line. 

06:45
You know it was a lot of things that went against them, including some penalties. So I was laughing that was what was going through my head laughter. I was like, basically, nathaniel hackett is a moron, that's what I was thinking new head coach for the broncos. What I will say is I am glad that he actually came out after the fact and said we probably should have gone for it, because it's refreshing to see as much as you know that might not inspire. 

07:08
After the result, though, no, but like, imagine the next day, or like, even think about people. Yeah, like so many coaches in the league. The next day a reporter would ask them and either they'd flip out on the reporter and be like, oh, you want to coach the team, whatever this and that, or they would just stand behind their decision and he was like you know what, in hindsight, we made the wrong call. I don't even know if it was results based, like I don't think it was a results oriented thing. I think he's like in hindsight, you know, I would have done something differently, maybe not inspiring to a broncos fan, but personally as, like a neutral I I thought that was refreshing. Someone's admitting that you know what I made a mistake, but in real time, you know it was an epic blunder in my opinion. 

07:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, I think a lot of people like view that Peyton Manning clip where he's like timeout, timeout, timeout, timeout, timeout, whatever, and and like that was obviously Obviously they should have called timeout if they were planning to go for it. But if they weren't planning to go for it and just wanted to kick, then actually not calling timeout was a good play. So that was my only thoughts. I saw a lot of overreaction on Twitter Like why didn't you call timeout right away? Well, if he was planning to go for it, then they technically didn't make any mistakes. It was just a decision of whether to. Now for the teams. I've thought of this for, like, I've been thinking like this for the past like three seasons now, extreme underrated. So like having justin tucker and his contract, which is like extremely low, like I would, I would make kickers way higher paid, like I'd try to get the best kicker in the league. You see, guys just get cut left, right and center. 

08:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think rodrigo blanketship got cut today poor guy kind of reminds me of me, so I feel sorry. It looks like you, it looks a little bit like me, just because he wears glasses. That's, that's the only resemblance. But as a kicker that wears glasses, I feel for. I feel for the guy. But you're right, I mean, I do think that special teams is kind of a little bit underrated in this day and age. Um, ultimately, the espn model, which I don't think very highly of, actually had the field goal as the correct decision. 

09:12
Quotations, yeah most models had a five to ten percent uh wrong decision there, so it's not like it's. You know, there have been more egregious decisions in the history. 

09:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I would estimate based on, like just rough math in my head, that that was the wrong decision when you map it out. But I don't think it was that. I don't. I think it was pretty close and in terms of like what I'm saying here on the kicker being valuable, it's like you got to have a kicker that can hit from 65, just to actually put yourself in these situations where fourth and five, yeah, but what if it was like fourth and 11? Like you need a kicker who can hit that distance. 

09:46
100 and like 25 is not high enough in terms of being able to hit that. I'm not saying that mcmanus would have been higher than that. I'm saying get a kicker that can hit that kick 50 of the time, which there is a few in the league that can, and then you're good. Like matt matt gay hit one of the ones at the end of the, at the end of the half, like absolutely bombed it. Like he has the leg to hit from like 65. Mcpherson has the leg to hit, tucker has a leg, maybe 10 kickers have the leg to do it, but yet they're not getting paid enough like let me look. 

10:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, look at, look at the. The browns game winner right 58 yarder kicker from lsu, rookie kicker who they drafted, plays a nice draw into the like. That's a kick. That kick was good from seven, I don't know what the actual distance was. 

10:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Justin Tucker this offseason signed a four-year $24 million contract extension. So four years, $24 million, which is actually just insane given how good he is and how consistent he's been, as well as has the ability to hit the long kick, and he only signed for 24 million over four years. It's like absolutely insane that that was how low and he's the highest paid kicker, but that position is valuable. Same deal with the punter like someone that can swing, field that that consistently and not shank punts like how many times. 

11:04
I don't know if you watched the Jets game, but the Jets punter was just absolutely brutal, even on the punts where, like he shanked a couple, which obviously cost him. But on top of that, even when they had a shot to like put him deep, he was like you'd pin him to like the 12-yard line and it was like that's got to be at like the five right, like a short punt, like that's got to be at the five. So anyways, that was our thoughts, I guess on the game We'll get into the next question. Went off the rails on that one. 

11:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
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12:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm done'm done retiring with my 100 against the spread record he stole that ad read from props and hops podcast I read the props and hops one instead of the circles off and didn't know that I had an additional tidbit about, and a fellow fan of craft I am in fairness. 

12:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
in fairness, I am a fan of craft beer, as you would know, and I'm also a fan of the old-fashioned, which I cut out what happened to you, Pizzola. Don't know. No. Seriously, though, highly recommend. Big fan of Ed Did his podcast this week as well. Went well, I mean, I like doing the interviews with him, I like chatting with him. 

13:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Nice, good stuff, good stuff, good stuff. Do you think there is a way of handicapping college football, nfl first quarter spreads and totals, or are these lines just straight derivatives from the game and the total? So I'll let you answer that first. 

13:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I will say, personally, I've never really gone down this path. I don't know why will say personally, I've never really gone down this path, I don't know why. So I do have a lot of accounts which are partner accounts, so accounts that other people I know will typically bet through. There's tons of derivatives that are bet in these accounts on a weekly basis, whether that's first quarter, first half, where the full game line is also not met into the account. So someone is finding an edge on this stuff. So just based off of that, I would say, yes, there is an edge to be had. 

13:56
I do think that sportsbooks for the most part, when they open up a line on these, they're just derivatives of the full game line. There's no one in house that's saying, oh, this team is more likely to outperform this other team in the first half relative to this. Then the market bets into it, then they can adjust their lines based off of that. But I do think that there's an opportunity there, like for anyone who's new to sports betting or wants to start modeling stuff. I've suggested this on the show before. I probably would never start with full game. I would probably look at either some second half stuff, quarter, uh, something that's um, maybe a little bit more beatable than the lines that everyone else is looking at, but just based off my experience and seeing people um profit off this for both nfl and college football, I'd say definitely that there is a um, uh, there is a way of handicapping these that are different than just, like you know, the full game derivative line well, like there's a lot of stuff that's different. 

14:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Right first quarter, rob mentioned I think you're wrenching us on the halftime show, like something. Like the lions are typically blowing games near the end, whatever. Whatever it might be, I think first quarter is definitely different than the first full game. Some teams receive the ball, some teams, uh, elect to um defer and then that's obviously something that plays into. It may not be factored in some lines, um. So, yeah, definitely ways to do it. I wouldn't say that, like if you have, there would be an, a way where you would have, let's say it's like bucks versus lions. You'd have like bucks first half lines, full game. Now it's not common, I wouldn't recommend doing that. For the most part it's like galaxy brain if you see people doing that on online. But there would be a way in which you would have, like under first quarter over full game, two separate bets. That can both be plus if you. 

15:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's a chance that that could happen for sure I remember, uh, the old baseball, one team first five, the other team full game. Those would always make me laugh. I can't believe that that's possibly an edge on both. I don't know Like just straight money line. 

15:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't know. 

15:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Is a bullpen that bad, that, like you're, you know, I don't know. 

15:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I used to see those back in the day. I'll just live bet at that Exactly. 

15:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like just wait for the bullpen to come into place and then live bet the game. 

15:56 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If that's the scenario, yeah, Anyways. Yeah, it's not likely, but there there's a chance at that. 

16:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so up next, teasers, a refresher and math discussion. Yes, thank you, we so math related questions. I will say that, um, at the hammer, we do have plus cv analytics on board with us. You will be doing a lot of math based topics, as will dan abrams, dr raz wsop on twitter, um, so I'll answer this short and sweet, but you can look forward to a lot of content on these types of topics in the future from both of those guys. 

16:32
In general, what you need to know about teasers in the first place is that books make a killing off of them. I've consulted for sports books before. I can tell you that the hold on teasers during NFL season for a recreational book is somewhere like 15 to 20 percent, mostly because people have no idea how to play teasers properly. I think you want to look into wong teasers. Um stanford wong wrote a book in the early 2000s that outlined what a wong teaser is. 

17:01
Some of the math has changed a little bit over time because of the distribution of points in the nfl, but most of it still applies. The problem is it's very difficult to find a place to bet plus EV math teasers nowadays. Either books have increased the VIG on it. They've changed rules to ties lose. So you know I can talk about the math, but essentially what you want to do, especially in the nfl, is look for games with lower totals and try to tease through both three and seven. So bringing a, a favorite down from like a seven and a half point favorite to one and a half, or the opposite way around, where you take a small underdog and you bring them up through three and seven. Three and seven are the most common um, you know the, the biggest key numbers in the nfl. So you're now just maximizing the value of your teaser by teasing through two key numbers. 

17:55
Common mistakes I see made are people who tease totals. Totals generally not the points that you're teasing through are generally not worth as much as sides. People who tease just like random numbers this happens with my friends all the time but like they'll take a 13 and a half point underdog and tease them to 19 and a half, it's like what are you doing? You know there's there's not many games that are going to land in that range of 14 to 19. So always try to tease through two key numbers. Always try to find the best price on teasers. For the most part. There are rare, rare, rare exceptions. But don't tease totals and try not to tease through zero. I would say is another important one People just like take a two-and-a-half point favorite, tease them to a three-and-a-half point dog. 

18:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You get a lot of dead numbers in that mix as well yeah, so you probably want to do plus two and a half up to um eight and a half, or plus one and a half up to seven and a half, exactly, and vice versa and vice versa that's like your most and and the low. 

18:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And then the reason I say lower the total, the better is. There's less variance in the game. Like, if you have, if you have a game of total 40 and a game with a total of 54 and both of the favorites are seven and a half point favorites, you're, you're better off teasing the 40 down because there's less variance in that game. Uh, overall it's not a huge difference, but it does matter. Man sucks losing a teaser. Teasers so annoying to lose like one. 

19:23
Has anyone ever placed a teaser where they don't think it's like an, a guarantee? 

19:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
yeah, that's another thing like how did I lose this one? 

19:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
when you place a teaser, you feel so good about your bet everyone always does and then afterwards they're like, ah, like, how did this team lose by 21? 

19:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
like this is the who invented the teaser. That guy who's a person is a genius I. 

19:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Whoever invented the teaser is a genius. But whoever named the teaser is the genius. It is actually like it's an ultimate tease. Anyone who places a teaser bet absolutely loves their bet. There's no one just firing off a teaser that's like ah, you know, I don't really feel good about. No, you place that teaser and you're just like you're already counting the money, like you cannot wait for the game to be over when you place that teaser bet. And then you realize in the long run, ain't such a good bet. 

20:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's actually so true, like whoever named that thing is a genius All right up. Next CLV related questions. Couple here how do you think social media, aka the Twitter release shows, have impacted closing line value and its value? 

20:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think that there's some fake closing line value out there now because there are just so many people backing one opinion that it's tough to get off of a number personally. So I think there is having an impact on certain games. I think it's almost as important nowadays to know why a line moved and who moved it, which group released it, so on and so forth, than it is um almost handicapping the game like there's. There's a lot of what I would call bad moves in the nfl nowadays where these numbers hang around. Um, with that said, I mean, if I use week one as just a one week example, there was a lot of plays against releases. So like right angle sport by the way, I'm not talking about specific people here in terms of like their ability to beat the nfl or be winning bettors, but you know, right angle sports released a jacksonville play early in the week last week got bet down to three two and a half market, came back on washington towards the end there. 

21:44
Um, adam chnoff does his Simple Handicap Telegram group where he does some releases. There was some playback there. But ultimately, you are seeing, that doesn't necessarily create the. I'm trying to articulate this as best as possible, but like somebody may move a line too far, but it's not far enough for me to want to play back on it. You know what I'm getting at. 

22:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I think that's reasonable. I think that's reasonable. So you're saying like, after you're paying the vig, even if it moves a half point, you still like didn't have that as yeah, like, like, I'd be, like I don't agree with this move, but like do I really want the other side here? 

22:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think that that's happening in a few of these cases I'm not saying in the majority of them and that's why I want to like. I want to make it very clear that I'm still very much a believer in closing line value. I'm not suggesting that there's no value here or whatever. The dynamics of the market are changing a little bit, though, and I think it's important to realize that. So in some cases I will take the closing line of a game and I don't necessarily think it's the. You know, I'll just be like I don't know about this one. It was moved by a certain person, certain group, and although there wasn't buyback, that doesn't necessarily mean to me that that was the correct line. Very convoluted. This will evolve more and more over the course of the next couple years. Still, trust your clv for the most. If you don't get it on one specific game, you know, don't sweat it either. That's not huge, but yeah, it's like the evolution of the space. 

23:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right. So I agree with Rob for some of it. But also I will say like anyone in the world can bet that line back. So, like anyone in the entire world, there's no like hey, you can't bet this line back because this guy bet it. There's no like hey, you can't bet this line back because this guy bet it. Like they're not. 

23:45
If right angle first off, right angle sports has like a very proven track record of actually winning on these. Now, whether that's still good or not obviously every single year is a mystery. You never know what's going to happen in the future and the past performance is not a guarantee for future success. But they have won on these in the past. Right, the record's accurately documented. 

24:06
Ed is for like a trustworthy guy in terms of this. Like he's not deceiving the record he's releasing at regular numbers that are widely available. We tracked, we track it all on bet stamp as well. Like it is legit. I will say that. 

24:17
So what does this mean is like if he's releasing something and it moves three points on a college football total, you could say, oh, that's too much of a move. But then like put it back into place. Right, like someone's gonna put it back into place. The limits are not that high where it's like oh well, I would put it back into place, but I don't have 300, 000. Like you need two grand, five grand, ten grand max to put this back a half point and then another 10, another 10. There's groups blasting 20, 50, 100, 100, 100. Like it's gonna move back if it's an edge so I would say clv, by nature of how it is in efficient market theory, hypothesis, whatever you want to call it, it works. So there's possible inefficiencies over a short period. But like if adam turnoff is moving the lines and people are like, nah, fade them, these are not good. Then like fade them and then they'll come back. 

25:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I agree. I just think that it's only a matter of time. I think there's enough people that are in tune with who they need to be on. In terms of releases, nowadays it's obviously like immediate CLV. Why would someone not bet that right? Because you have the option of buying back on the other side if you want to, once the line moves Like you have lots of options once you obtain, make a quick like 200 bucks Exactly on an ARB or whatever you have. 

25:31
There's no sense in not making that bet, and because there's so many people that are going about that, I think it just kind of skews things and impacts things. 

25:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Hold up we have one more question. Sorry to cut you off, go ahead things. Um, I've talked. We have one more question, sorry to cut you off. It's similar to this does anyone find all these release shows as brutal as I do? Top totes, where you legit have four seconds to get the play in. Half the time I miss the number, it gets pulled. I'd rather fish for my own plays or do less popular openers than make it a race or tech battle. Not fun, and someone said this exactly. And also, if you get the number consistently at the legal shops, they will limit your account extremely fast. So I just let's. I should have probably read those at the same time, but anything else yeah, listen. 

26:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, okay, let's the release shows right. The release shows are done by turnoff. Is there anyone else doing release shows right now? Right angle sports, um and like yeah, I guess but like turnoff is running the release shows turnoffs adam. Adam turnoffs been a guest on circles off before anyone can check out that episode. 

26:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, you mean like who's giving the pics or who's running who's running the show? It would just be him yeah right. 

26:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so you got right angle sports. You have hitmen, you have Brad Powers. 

26:37
Yeah yeah exactly for Major League Baseball, right? So this question is, like you know, there's obviously value in the show because of exactly what I just said, right, like? You can make that bet and the market is going to move on every single one of these picks because you have so many people betting it at the same time. Obviously, whoever wrote this, they think the shows are bad, probably because they struggle to get the picks in in real time. This was your buddy, jim Vivian, was it? Jim? Really? Yes, okay, I don't know how I feel about these yet, because there's so much that goes into it. 

27:21
You have to think about it from the content creator perspective, right? Obviously, the content creator, in this case Adam, wants to get views. Do not blame him whatsoever. This is actually a great way. Wants to get views? No, don't, do not blame him whatsoever. This is actually a great way to ascertain views. 

27:32
Now, do these people stick around and consume other stuff on the platform or do they just f off afterwards because they want to get the pick? I don't know. Probably the latter, but um, I could see the frustration in everybody trying to bet something at once, and I can see the frustration in making what you deem to be a good bet and then getting limited because everybody's making that bet and you're kind of alerting a sports book to it. So I actually don't even know how I really feel about this, about these. Personally, I think it's important to be in tune with these in terms of, even if you miss it, knowing that that was the play, so you can understand why the market moved. 

28:09
I think that's valuable, but I, you know, in the long run I don't know if it's, if it's this is good or bad for the better. I really don't, because there is the. You are going to get into the situation now where sports books are just going to start pulling numbers right away, so it's going to be painful overall. Anyone who does bet that number has now already alerted the sportsbook that they are in tune with what's going on here Probably going to get limited. So I get the reason to do the content. I get why so many people consume it and bet it because they want to have a valuable bet right away. I don't know how I truly feel about it personally, and I'll speak openly here. I don't find it to be compelling content myself. Uh, I've talked to adam about this personally before, so I'm not saying anything that I haven't said directly to him. There's just not a whole lot of value other than here's the pick which I I don't know. 

29:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm gonna do my own release show on the hammer yeah, we could do that, ufc I'm gonna do it right, can we call it cappy hour? Cappy hour. We will do. I'm gonna do the hammer release show coming soon. We're gonna release absolute bangers that will win and that's the guarantee there, please stop. That's the guarantee. We will only release winning picks. Yeah, please stop please stop. 

29:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, here's what I will say. I. I think the idea is innovative and I will credit adam for that. It's a great idea, like, at least to try it out. It's great I. The backlash from like the sharp betting twitter community is always like hilarious to me of like, ah, you know whatever, because people just don't like when numbers move. 

29:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know, it's it what if there was a release show so good that there was no buybacks? Because, like you just said, if you want to buy back, just message directly. Oh, that would be amazing. 

30:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, buybacks, no buybacks yeah, I mean there's, it's obviously. It's a very like wordy question. I guess the real question is does anybody else find all these release shows as brutal as I do? Personally, I'm not a huge fan. That's just me doesn't mean that other people are not. Um, I think that that, based off the viewership, based off the amount of people that are betting in that time, people do find it to be compelling definitely, they definitely are valuable in some capacity. 

30:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like you could just you had the right accounts that weren't going to limit, like maybe a couple, of course. Like you could, just if you had the right accounts that weren't going to limit, like maybe a couple of PPH or something, you could just do that. Just our back. Like, watch that show, make a quick 200 bucks on your lunch break. Yeah, not that bad for some people. 

30:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, his point like I'd rather fish for my own plays or do less popular openers than make it a race or tech. I would agree with that. I think a lot of people would. But there's also the people that that you know are not like jim and don't want to hunt out and seek out edges on their own. They're just looking to be spoon fed. That's the reality of the situation. How many dms do I get on a weekly basis of? Where can I buy your pics package? Do you sell pics? Can you send me your pics or whatever? I'll pay you. It's like people want to be spoon fed at the end of the day. 

31:26 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Just give me the pick, just give me the pick. 

31:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So it's an innovative idea. I struggle because there's like, no, there's no real value in consuming the content after the fact, which I think is also important with content, where somebody can go back after the fact and gain something of value out of it. But there's obviously a huge market for it. So I mean that's really why this stuff gets done If there's a market for it, it will continue. If there's no market for it, it will not continue. 

31:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Hey guys, what is your opinion on buying back, say midweek, on heavy college football or NFL steam, for example, if not injury related and a group steams aside from minus two and a half to minus five and a half or six? 

32:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
can lines really be that off from the openers and is there value in buying back at a? 

32:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
certain point. More often than not there's no like real um, never buy back unless you feel that there's an edge on the other side as well. That's the only thing to say. So he's saying is there an edge on the other side? Yeah, I would say no. The limits open. So the limits are small for the first, for the minus two and a half. Then they get raised and then it's settled at six. If it's settled at six, that's the now efficient line. So you can't, you can't, just blindly say can they be that far off from the openers? The number is what the number is. So whatever it moved to, that's a new number. 

32:42
Forget about the opener, it doesn't even matter at all. It's relevant. That's old news. Even if it's, you're saying, not news related, I'll just go ahead and say this it's all news related. Right, it's all related on something. 

32:55
So when a line moves, it's never actually moving based on the news on air. It's moving because news came out and then someone bet it. So someone betting that line is, in theory, quote, unquote news. That's new information that came into the market. So if it moved from two and a half to six and there was no major injury, then that means there was something else and people betting. It is the same as an injury news. It's the exact same thing. It's the same amount of information. In fact, if a line moved that much without an injury news, I would even be more inclined to say that that's even more accurate than the one with the injury, because the injury is more unknown, um, and it's a lot more guessing than just a straight line move without it. So I wouldn't buy back just because of that. Now can you buy back in general 100. If there's something that that now, like, let's say, move from two and a half to six, then there was an injury and you think it's going to move back down to four, then you can buy that back. 

33:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think a lot of cases here I don't want to say a lot of cases I think there are definitely cases where numbers move too far because you do have, like, the steam chasing element to it, right. So you'll have somebody, for example, that may say I like this game up to minus three and a half. I'm going to bet it to three and a half. They quickly bet it in market and then people start to pile on because they want to be on the same side and it starts to move out a little bit too far. I don't think that that's like the rule. By any stretch of the imagination. I do think it happens. 

34:20
But I will say when I first started betting professionally, or at least semi-professionally, I was mostly focused on baseball at that time. Professionally, I was mostly focused on baseball. At that time there used to be a group who I referred to as Panama I'm sure other groups referred to them as whatever that was the location of who was running it at the time and they used to move the baseball market like absurd amount, like 40 to 50 cents, and it got to the point where we would just automatically play opposite to them every single time, every single time, because they would play. More people would jump on that. Those lines used to steam like an insane amount and I think it got to the point where they were probably winning and we were winning because there was enough of a spread in between where they were originally betting. 

35:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think that that happens much anymore but once you brought that line back, that now came back and oh I'd we would never be able to bring it back ever, because they would just bet more on it sure, but then okay, fair enough. So if they were, if they were betting more on the line with you, yeah, and they were losing at that point in the day, correct? Or you were losing at that point in the day, yeah, or both, or you were losing at that point in the day? 

35:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah or both. I honestly don't even know if it was still an edge for them at that point, more so of like an FU type of thing. 

35:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Eventually they're going to lose or win money on that and either you're going to stop bringing it back because you're realizing you're losing, or they're going to stop hammering the resistance Right. But in the long term the hypothesis works in a sense that it will just close efficiently. 

35:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sure, I'm just saying like there's always going to be some sort of exception, like from what I can tell from college football. Now, I personally believe it'd be an interesting hypothesis, but I think that if you were to play against all of the big steam moves over the course of the week, you would make money by just blindly doing that. 

36:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
For sure, everybody wants to be on the same side, if everyone did that for this year, then next year that wouldn't be a thing anymore. 

36:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Agreed, Eventually Mark will catch up. 

36:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yes, there's always exceptions in the short term and on a game-by-game basis or whatever. But if you had faded right angle sports, which people said this last year I'm gonna fade every rasmus. 

36:27 - Zack Phillips (Other)
You, you, you got you got smoked yeah it absolutely smoked last year now will that happen? 

36:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
this year maybe, but it also could just be variance, like there's. No, I wouldn't do anything like that blindly just to say like I think this is going to be it. 

36:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's not really a smart way to bet let me let me be clear, neither would I. I would not do that kind of stuff blindly. I want to be explicitly clear about that. This is just purely a hypothesis on my end based off of how much I see the college football games especially move now over the course of a week. But I do think that there's just like these one-off scenarios, like, for example, I think for years that the MLB closing line was not really truly indicative of the probability of the game, because everybody that would oppose that move would do it like right at post, like literally 15 minutes, 15 seconds before the game would go off, would not be reflected in the line, because there was no sense in like I would always get negative closing line value if I didn't do it that way, essentially which and then I would you know, I'd say like, well, I got to re-explore everything I do because I got negative closing line value. 

37:37
But it was just in reality because there's one market maker who controls the entire market. Now that doesn't happen in sports anymore. So let me make that explicitly clear. It doesn't really happen in any market. There's some that are bigger than others. But yeah, these, these games like there's, there's just these serious like, especially when you think about how content is taking over the space. Right like now, you actually have sharp bettors, like people who win giving out place publicly, and the inherent desire for most people is just to be on that same side, like there's so many people that just want to be on that same side, irrespective of what the number is yeah, when you gave out dalton schultz overs and then people went to that to go bet those. 

38:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Come on, remember this. Yeah, they that one. Did dalton schultz go over? I'm pretty sure he did. 

38:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, he actually might have late, late game I'm almost certain that he won yes on prime time this week, pre-game edition. I I I bet that into account that I didn't even check the. Uh, the, yeah, don't. Schultz had seven care, seven catches seven or 62 pazola is over four and a half no sweat winner, no sweat. Dalton schultz cash it, bang the bookies. 

38:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Listen, man in the library time that I pat myself on the back this week, but the prime time picks. No sweat. Dalton Schultz Cash it. Bang the bookies Listen. 

38:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Man in the library. This is going to be the second time that I pat myself on the back this week. But the primetime picks except for Seattle's second half money line, which I took a good price that had a shot. What did you take? I took plus 280 Seattle's second half money line. 

39:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fair enough. 

39:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's good. It was a good price, but aside from that, there was some you know that was. It was a quite a winning week on the primetime shows. I will be sure to never mention the ones where I go. Oh, and four, as I'm now in the content creation space and that's like you know, I have to do that. Standard practice, standard practice, I actually will when I go. 

39:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And four, I will mention it what's the difference between regression to the mean and the gambler's fallacy? Seems like they are the same thing, so I'll take this one. Um there, I'll just explain what both of them are. So regression to the mean is a simple concept. Basically says hey, if you um roll five dice rolls and three of them landed on number five, uh, eventually, if you roll a million dice rolls, it's not gonna. Half of them are not gonna to. Half of them are not going to over. Half of them are not going to land on five. It's going to be closer to the mean, which is going to be the, you know, the one in six chance there. 

39:53
So overall regression to the mean, very simple, what it's saying is if you roll one die, you're going to have a wide range of outcomes. If you roll a million dies, it will a million dice. It will likely end up being right beside the, the average of what it should be. So it does not mean that if you roll seven fives in a row, the next one is going to not be a five. It just means that the likelihood is the same as it always was. So that's regression to the mean, and the gambler's fallacy is more along the lines of that, which is the gambler's fallacy, is like hey, I just rolled, like it's like 17 reds in a row. It's due for a black. That is just incorrect. It's 17 reds in a row. The chances of the black are still 50-50 less to green space. So it doesn't really they're not actually the same thing. Gambler's fallacy is actually something that I guess they're probably opposites actually yeah, they're, they're. 

40:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's like a, I think the question. This person's confused, it's because it's a very similar concept. But yeah, they're, they're sort of opposites, sort of opposites gambler's fallacy. 

41:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is you thinking that it's going to be something else which is incorrect? Odds and regression to the mean is just is actually like a true thing, yeah gambler's fallacy like for those for those who go to casinos. 

41:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You see tons of gamblers, fallacy, right like 10 blacks just came up on roulette they put the historical numbers exactly. They have zero value exactly they had tight spots, literally, literally nothing. I'm the guy who, like, goes to look, I'm the opposite, right? I think that if it came up on the table, it's more likely to come up again because something's wrong with the table, right? Listen technically that could be true. It's not. It could be something wrong with the table yeah, we're all. 

41:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We're all humans running that thing. It's not like it's. You know, they could be just a floor shift in the floor, tectonic plates, and then now it's shipped in any, anyone who knows how I play roulette. 

41:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
By the way, I know the expected value on roulette. I completely get it. I'm born december 12th 12, 12. For my whole life I've been betting 12s. I'm gonna find the roulette table in the casino that's that has a 12 on the board recently. Plain and simple, because in my mind I believe that there's a like, a high likelihood that not high likelihood, but it's more likely than not I'm going to hit a 12 there. This is all like. 

42:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you're betting roulette, by the way, shop the tables. I'm serious, no, I'm serious, I'm very serious on this. Shop the tables. You know what they're doing in Vegas now. An absolute slap across the face, three green spaces. You've got. Absolute slap across the face, three green spaces. You gotta be kidding, not at. 

42:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Circa, not at Circa, I will say Circa, very fair, love that casino. Three to two blackjack, beautiful, I will say I also played roulette with was Chernoff, maybe Eric Eager, I don't know. Maybe the night is very blurry because the amount of drinks I was served, that's how long I was playing roulette for. But the my, my dealer at the table at roulette. She's like I spin double numbers all the time. Like what do you mean? You spin numbers, double numbers, all the time? She's like if I spin a number, she's like bet, bet that number again on the next thing. I'm like turn into my betting partner like this girl's crazy, like she's literally the first two spins are like 26, 26. I'm like oh my god, but I, I was in denial. I'm like no, this can't be real. Then he tips her a grand. 

43:18
I didn't bet it. I didn't bet it because I'm continuing with my strategy of loading up on 12 like absolute bomb on 12 and then like a few numbers around the 12, because I want to be able to stare at that wheel right and lock in on the 12 on that wheel and I want to know that if it, if the ball hits in that region, I'm gonna win something. I don't want to be cheering for random numbers all over the board. You know I'm saying how can you live like that just watching the wheel, watching it all bounce around? You have no idea, idea. I don't know how you live. I don't play much roulette, but you got to lock in on an area. By the way, this is not advice anyone should be taking. Well, I mean, you play however you want, but again, I know what I'm getting into when I'm playing casino games. Make it very clear, gamble responsibly, or whatever. I like to lock in on a thing. This girl, what's the max you'll lose at the chino? I would rather not say that. 

44:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I would rather not say that, um, the only time I play roulette is I'll walk by a table it's on the way out or on the way in, grab a hundo, just a hundo, and toss it on one number. But I do do shop the tables. The three green is actually a travesty. It's a slap in the face. You're doing that. At the Aria Three green, there's a zero, a double zero and an Aria space. Yeah, you got to be kidding me. 

44:37 - Zack Phillips (Other)
No, that's a joke, and then there's like a table. 

44:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It depends how much you're betting. I think all the $10 tables are like that and then if you go to like a 50 table, it's a two green. If you can find a one green space and I'm walking in or out of the hotel, you best believe I'm tossing a hundo. And you know what, rob, I didn't know this about you. You know what number I always put on as well 12. 

44:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, yep, for a different reason. So I will say this and we're going off tangent here but my um, you, the guy who was the best man at my wedding, steve. He's born November 11th, so he's an 11-11. I'm a 12-12. This is why we were degenerates growing up, because we could not help but go to the casino. The 11-12 split. We just load up on that spot and like root with each other on that spot and you know it is what it is Lost a lot of money, had a lot of fun in doing so. Know what I'm getting into again, bet responsibly, but there's something about just watching that ball bounce around like you. You've seen it before in the office, right like betting roulette against me. 

45:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're giving you terrible odds, but no better than you're getting in the casino. You're giving me favorite, your favorable odds compared to a casino Still in my favor though. Yeah, but I'd be happy to bet with friends and then know that that's coming back when Rob does a spin and I get the same odds on the way back, like as long as that's the thing we're basically betting at even odds. 

45:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
For those that don't know, we have a roulette wheel that's about the size of one of these laptops and every now and then Johnny gets the itch to. He'll come up to me and be like I want to do five spins down like 600 on like $10 spin. 

46:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, no, I've chased a couple. I've chased a couple. I chased a couple and then got in the hole, but I'm going to win it back but there is a regression to the mean gambler's foul, so I'm going to win it back. I'm due the due fact, not from that. There's different stuff, so yeah even like ping pong, we gamble on it. 

46:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The ping pong match where I played in my jacket was the big one for, like I'm better than rob at ping pong, so he always gets odds. 

46:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And then, once he was on the way out, he played in his jacket winter jacket like in a winter scarf on too. Yeah and he's like play in the winter jacket but I'm getting like insane odds and then he won that game and that's basically that's his whole winnings, pretty much I I think I got three to one for that game. 

46:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, I think it was more than three to one. I think I got three to one, which is a horrible bet on my. I had no like mobility. I had no mobility. I could not get anything to the side of the table. I felt like my jacket was gonna rip as I was reaching for stuff. I played I. That was the game of my life. He sandbagged that was one of the. That was one of the game of my life. You sandbagged that was one of the games of my life. 

47:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, Maybe you've covered this before, but I would like to know what your attitude is towards reverse line movement, or maybe so-called reverse line movement, and, relatedly, do you take into account what side the money is on and where it's coming from when you wager? 

47:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, no, I don't. So here's the thing about reverse line movement for me. I like to make my bets before the line moves because I like to obtain closing line value. I think that that's a principle that all betters should get in the mindset of when you are using reverse line movement. So you're saying, oh, you know, 80% of the public is on this, but the line is moving the other way. You're now betting into the market where the number has already moved, like your ability to obtain closing line value is significantly diminished because now you're waiting for people. You know you're basically waiting to piggyback other people's bets, and why this is a problem is, say, someone has moved a number from two and a half to three in the NFL. If they still found value in the three, they would move it to three and a half. They would continue betting it. They no longer find value in that three. That's why they've stopped betting at that point, and now you are basically picking up the scraps. You're basically getting in at a position that they don't want, just to be on the same side as that person. 

48:32
Reverse line movement is the biggest scam perpetrated to mankind in the last decade. I don't know where this started. I still don't know why people look at public numbers. When we were building out the hammer, we were consulting one of our SEO guys. He's basically like, guys, we need to have something about public bet percentages. I'm like, no, we're not going to have. He's like people are searching for public bet percentages like crazy. 

49:06
I'm like if we ever add public bet percentages to the hammer, we will include something in big bold at the top of the screen that says we find these to be completely useless. But we know that people are looking for them. So here you are and we'll give the reasons why we find them to be completely useless no more public bet percentages. No more reverse line movement. It doesn't matter what other people bet, just do your own thing, period. I mean, I've talked about this ad nauseum. I think that's the best I can explain it. But with reverse line movement, you are betting into a market that has already matured and you're paying a premium, essentially to be on the same side as someone else who got a better number. Don't do it. I think that's it, don. 

49:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I've answered this one before. I hate this question. No it goes against everything math related though. 

49:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I like to rant about reverse line. It actually makes me feel very good. 

50:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But it's such a fallacy man. 

50:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's the gambler's fallacy. You think that if you win 10 plays in a row or lose 10 plays in a row on reverse line movement, that there will be regression to the mean over time. 

50:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's a good question. Depends what the bet percentage is, or is it the gambler's fallacy? 

50:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Depends what the public bet percentage is. I don't know what the On games where the public bets exactly 72% to 74%. 

50:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
On games where the public bets exactly 72% to 74% Above 75% public bet percentage on points bet. I always bang the other side, always, always. 

50:36 - Zack Phillips (Other)
But here's the thing, galaxy brain, galaxy brain. 

50:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, let's get into it. No, wait, wait. 

50:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Before I have one more thing to say. I never understand the public bet percentage stuff because, again, there's a million sites that are feeding public bet percentages. Have you ever compared these sites to one another? They come up with so many like. There's so many widely different numbers. I'll go to one site. I'll see like 54 of people on the giants this week. I'll go to the other site it's like 32 on the giants. 

51:05
It's like what sports books, first of all, are they? Are these coming from? Second of all, you have no insight into what numbers were bet like. You know what sides are bad, but you don't know the numbers. You don't know if somebody's betting giants plus three and a half or plus two and a half or plus six like you have. I don't understand. Please stop seeking out this information. If. If one of your friends is like this, please air them, show them this video, make them listen. So maybe there's a chance that they can stop looking at useless stuff on a weekly basis and convincing themselves that it means something. You know, I had my buddies message me I took Seattle on Monday Night Football against Denver. Did you just tell my pick that? I ruined the chat. I didn't tell your Moneyline pick. I took Seattle first half. I had circa millions plus six and a half whatever. But I get a message from my friend Told everybody this was a trap line. 

52:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Everybody oh, did you see my-? 

52:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I gotta read what my message was. Read your message. 

52:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It actually was really funny when I read it. I sent a message just into our Hammer team chat. It was just like me mocking the way that it would be on Twitter, because everyone kind of types Write-ups like that. I just wrote and I go how TF, are we not smashing Denver tonight? They are going to win by 20. Literally, geno Smith is Starting in Seattle. He's trash Plus. Russell Wilson will never lose to his old team, denver d is going to get eight sacks. We gotta smash denver. And then I followed that up with right into the message space space. But then again this may be a trap game, bookmakers trapping us into betting denver. My official pick seattle plus 280. I wrote I wrote it like that for a joke. I did bet seattle, but also I wrote that for a joke because that's how, like I see people typing on twitter like denver's gonna win. It's an easy win, but then again might be a trap game. I think seattle's gonna win it, but anyways, jokes. 

53:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was uh, I was pretty fired up when that one every sharp better has like that one group chat that just really aggravates them and tilts them. I don't think this is me, I think a lot of the sharp betters out there will you know. Right now they're like yes, absolutely. I have that. One of my friends who are talking about football trap line got to take Seattle. Who's going to be betting Denver after the game. These guys are all celebrating and I'm like, guys, what about that trap line on Thursday night football where everyone was taking Buffalo and you all took the Rams? How about that trap line on Sunday where nobody wanted to bet Baltimore? You guys are all betting the Jets because the biggest liability for the sportsbook is Baltimore. People talk themselves into this stuff being real and then when it happens, they're like, yeah, like it was, but they never, ever focus on all the times where it doesn't happen. The public action doesn't mean shit. 

53:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, by the way, it means nothing on the public, bad percentages. I, I'm, I'm not. Everyone always asks me like, oh, so you think that data wouldn't be valuable to know what the sports books back end? Of course it's valuable, valuable. Like you, you plug into chris or pinnacle back in you're, you're, you're laughing, you're going to be able to print money off that. But what I'm saying is they don't give that out. They don't give out what lines were bet on at the time, like, so it'll be like 78 of the public is on this, but they never will attach a line or an average price to it, or what, when, where, where it was bet, what time was bet. 

54:26
Except, I did notice occasionally, if you check twitter, dave mason I'm not supposed to reference the book, but you could, you know, if you know, you know google, dave mason. On twitter, dave mason, he tweeted out and he's been tweeting out a few times some you'll normally do with, like either nfl or ufc. It'll tweet out like this percentage of the money on this person, average price, this, and he, he puts the price. So he'll be like then, then it's actually, it's still not like valuable, valuable, but it's like oh, at least I know that the he's he. I know what the book's position is, so I know that his traders managed himself into a position of nate diaz. He needs nate diaz at an average price of this. So if, if, if he needs nate diaz at an average price of call it whatever, I'll just make this up plus 680. 

55:12
Then, or, for example, the when it was hamzat versus nate diaz. Obviously the fight fell through, but I believe he was massive position on hamzat and his average price would have been something like maybe like sick, minus 680. So you know now that at least that book is like hey, this is our position, we're taking a massive position at Hamzat at minus 680. If you can then go out and bet Hamzat at minus 680, at least you know. Again, it's not a guarantee you're going to win, but at least you know. All right, I'm on the same side as the book. When you get these public and bet percentages, you don't know if you're on the same side of the book. 

55:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You don't know if you're on the same side of the book. You have zero clue. Agreed, I'm going to say this is not going to be the last time I talk about this, but it's very clear for me to explain why. So let's use the Rams and Bills Thursday night football game, one of the season, as an example. The public, most of the people, are betting the Bills. Fine, fair enough. That means that the sports book is getting the Rams at plus 110 because people are betting the bills minus 110 on the spread. Whatever the spread is two and a half two, whatever the sports book is getting plus 110. Now if you're looking at the public bet percentages and say, oh, the sports book is going to need the Rams to win tonight, you're not getting plus 110. You're going to go bet the Rams at minus 110. 

56:31
There's a very big difference between those two. This is why sports books win. Sports books have an edge because they charge a VIG. If you're going to be on the same side as the sports book, you're paying a VIG to be on the same side as the sports book. So please understand that. That is the why the fade, the public strategy is BS is commonly, you know. Over time it's just been perpetuated more and more, but you are paying minus one 10 to be on the same side as the book that is getting plus one 10. It's not apples to apples. Understand that. 

57:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fair enough. Up next. We've got a couple more questions. What time are we at here, zach Uh one hour. All right, we next. We got a couple more questions. What time we had here, zach uh one hour all right, we'll go through a few more here, okay, let's rip these off quick. Uh, is there a rhyme or reason to when numbers are released by books, nhl in particular? I mean, I don't think so. Just they release them when they, when they can yeah, like there's. 

57:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's some days where they'll release them at noon the day before the game. There's some days where they'll release them at noon the day before the game. There's some days where they don't even put on an overnight. 

57:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So what is the market setting book for NHL? Leave this one to you, Rob. 

57:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean there's all a book, pizza, pizza book. Honestly, I don't. I don't want to say that, but I mean sort of. I mean we, we bet out, we bet out everywhere. So it doesn't matter. Oh, here Doesn't matter here. General rule of thumb the higher the limits. That's probably the market setting book. 

57:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, you can figure that out for yourself, pizzabetag, it changes All right up. Next, what is the best way, if any, to utilize an odd screen available if you're not in the US or Canada and don't have access to any of those books on these screens? Okay, so I'll take that one. Good question. Wish I would have known where this guy is actually from. Can you pull it up his Twitter and see if he has it in his bio, maybe like UK based or something like that? So, first off, you could still use it for the sharp books in terms of like, getting the line of what the market line should be, and you can still compare your own lines against that. So that's number one way. 

58:25
But the second thing I would say is, probably, even if you have no books on that screen, via name of the book, you may have a crossing over odd set. That is, the provider that does it for one of your books. So it might be named wrong. But, for example, let's say you have a book that also uses like can be as their backend odds provider, then you're able to just go onto the bet stamp odd screen and it may be labeled there as bet rivers, which is the which also uses can be as their backend odds provider. But if that's the case and you have another book that uses can be, now you can just use those together, right. 

59:03
And you could be like assume it's the same thing, obviously, check it, make sure it lines up, there's no vig added or anything like that. But now you have to look at it at bet rivers and your books called something else. But that's kind of one. One thing I'd say is like check the odds sets, because a lot of them are repeated australia on aussie, okay, so I mean they have bet 365 so you have points bet you're there, uh, points bet odds will be slightly different. 

59:23
Um, you're there for bet 365, at least at a minimum, so that's one you could use, and then we will see what else. Um, if you want to message us certain books that you have access to, I can take a look and see. Um, if there's different odd sets, and then at least for bet stamp, we can add that in potentially. Uh, for you over there, mate? Um, he's laughing all right. Uh, where do you see sportsbooks going when the novelty of deposit and sign up bonuses wear off? 

59:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
um, I mean, that's challenging. I think if I put myself in a sportsbook shoes, I would probably try to come up with some sort of unique bet types. We've seen kind of same game parlays take over the space in the course of last one to two years. If I was a sports book uh, novelty of deposit signup bonuses wearing off I'd probably come up with some sort of unique feature and just market the shit out of that relative to other sports books and hope that people play with us. 

01:00:22 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Well like it's not going to be as effective for you guys but for the the recreational I know myself I go and just use. All this stuff is like FanDuel DraftKings books, very similar to that. They put out things where it's like cover the spread Bills, thursday night game max bet $50, minus $110, and the line, the more people bet it, it continues to move up by game time. 

01:00:47
It's like the bills plus 70.5 which is like that's just an easy way to get people to do it, where they continue to put those things out I will say for those um, for different markets, it's. 

01:01:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's different as well, like we're based in ontario, here there are no, there is no advertising of deposit and sign up bonuses. 

01:01:08
It's unable to they're unable to by law. So, um, there's not really been that novelty for people that are based here. Now, for some us states very different. You will watch tv. You'll only get like sign up, sign up, bonuses and offers like that. But I think eventually, um, obviously it's very copycat. You see a book, you know one book come out with same game parlays, then another one does points bet now has live same game parlays as well. So you're starting to see some differentiation in terms of features, specifically within the books. Um, that's where I see, you know, an opportunity potentially is if a book can build out a really nice feature, a really interesting bet type that can resonate with the public and just market the shit out of that. So I mean, that's that's what I would do if I was a sports book. I don't know that's where we're going to go, but that's what I see eventually happening. 

01:02:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fair enough. Um, I, I'd agree with that from a large perspective. We will see how it shakes out. Um, all right, I have a profitable angle. I'm shooting at a certain book. What's the best way to keep it, uh, going the longest, other than throwing in some big bomb, banger parlays and using multiple different accounts? 

01:02:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
so we might have differing opinions on this. All right, go ahead. I would say that in some cases people overrate keeping it going the longest, like if you have a profitable angle at a certain book, you can do things to try to keep yourself under the radar, but sometimes it's not going to work. I would say just exploit that edge as much as you possibly can. Keep on banging. Just just bang it. Try to make as much money as you can, rather than like really trying to do it in a sophisticated way that you know hides, you know it basically covers you from whatever the book might like. You got an edge, bang the edge. That that's sort of where I've gotten to. 

01:03:03
At one point in life I was the complete opposite. I'd be like oh you know, like I can pass post on these horse races like they don't. They don't know that daylight savings time happened in great britain already. So like I know the outcomes of the horse races gonna fly under the radar here, I'm gonna make some like two dollar bets, five dollar bets. Don't want to win too much in hindsight. No, smash it, go it, go for it. Go for the big win if you have an edge. 

01:03:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, my comment was going to be make sure that, depending on what the book is, you don't want to get stiff, so you don't want to run up an account too much, fair enough. 

01:03:39
The next question is actually which bookies have the worst reputation for stiffing you? So that's, I will answer the first question first. But just because that's in there and I purposely put them back to back if it's a pph account, just reasonably think of the amount of money that you can take off the guy and then don't don't try to go to more than that, because otherwise you're going to get stiff and then you get zero. So now you're risking your profits. So let's say you're going to make five grand, you're risking that five to win an extra 15 plus the bet. It may not be a profitable angle anymore. So that's what I'd say. But in terms of, like how to keep it alive longer, uh, or anything like that, I would say like don't tell anyone. 

01:04:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, that's the big, that's the biggest one as soon as you start letting people know as much as I'd love to let, as much as I'd love for people to let me know whenever there's exploits available, as much as I'd love to let, as much as I'd love for people to let me know whenever there's exploits available. As soon as you tell a person and you're like hey, johnny, like keep it to yourself. Eh, just me, and you are going to be the only guys that know about it. Johnny, the scumbag that he is, no, I don't do this though. 

01:04:39
He actually doesn't, but he you know, wink, wink, you know I'll tell you how big of a scumbag. 

01:04:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But johnny's gonna go to julian and zach mark. Leach all the guys at his office zach up his unit size. So I don't know that's a weapon right now. 

01:04:57 - Zack Phillips (Other)
It's gonna be like guys I just got a text from a buddy asking what am I betting nfl this weekend? 

01:05:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
so wow, wow, yeah. For those on the call phil, those listening in the pod zach, can we say your unit size or no? 

01:05:09 - Zack Phillips (Other)
sure, yeah, I don't care, like what's the matter, but, by the way, one dollar, one dollar better. 

01:05:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This guy started out. He's responsible gaming all right. He is a sharp. He is as sharp as they come for a guy who's only been betting for a couple months. Obviously, um, producing this podcast hopefully has helped, asking a bunch of questions around the office. Happily to announce, zach 20 X is unit size from day one. He's hammering, he's firing $20 bets and I feel like it's going to have a good season. And raise that up even further. We go, we grow sustainably. That's the way to do it. To the guy red Panda sports, I think we do like you Respect. Friend of the podcast, friend of the show, friend of BetStamp. All love Called me out a couple podcasts ago saying Johnny said that all you got to do is grind out bonuses and hit the best lines and you can make money. 

01:05:59
I would say it would be impossible to do what I said on that episode and not make money off the year. It would be nearly impossible. So, yes, I'll double down on that Bonuses, bet the best line available. I'll have to do zero work. You bet everything on Sunday right before NFL. You will win money in the season, guaranteed that is. It would be very, very, very unlikely to lose money doing that over the course of the year, zach's proven it. He's grinded it out again small scale. Does this scale up? Are you going to be able to make 150 grand doing this? No, definitely not. Are you going to be able to make three grand? Potentially. Are you able to make 500 bucks? Absolutely so. That was my uh, my rebuttal there. So, uh, yeah, don't tell anyone the edge, I definitely don't do that. Um, no, no, johnny doesn't actually do that. 

01:06:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And, for the record, zach, like his buddies, are now messaging him for nfl picks and he's going to respond saying, like I have to, I have to consult the public, bet percentages and the reverse line movement and I'll get back to you, because we know that those are the most important factors when handicapping the nfl. 

01:07:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Of course, um, okay, next which? 

01:07:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
bookies have the worst reputation, that's that's Honestly. 

01:07:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Pph is going to stiff the most. 

01:07:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean I would get into specifics, but I don't want to walk to my car later and get a crowbar in the kneecaps Like that's not what I'm looking for, but yes. 

01:07:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Do you have any offshore? Is that stiff that you want to note I? 

01:07:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
mean I think it's important to note, if you're betting offshore, that the likelihood of not getting paid is much higher than a regulated book, just so you guys know the legal books also do scummy things and stiff. 

01:07:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's not. There's zero honor in the game. If something's an incorrect line or whatever they're stiffing, they're voiding it and there's nothing you can do about it. So it doesn't matter if it's a main book or a PPH or whatever. They're all gonna stiff you for for certain things. So you just got to be careful on that. But yes, is someone just going to is like draft king's going to stiff you because you hit a parlay for 100 grand? No, you have recourse. 

01:07:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you're betting with a legal book, you can complain to a regulatory board. 

01:07:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You there's, but not really. For some stuff, like if they just cite a incorrect line on the lab that there's nothing you could do of course not I mean, that's just that, that, or like they're like hey, this, this line was incorrect, or this thing, like they could again they're gonna reference their terms of service. 

01:08:14
They literally could do whatever they want, even if the line was like hey, they had a point different than mark and they forgot to move and whatever. They literally still say hey, yeah, I, I, this was an incorrect line and you don't really have recourse. Yep, so just an fyi. All books are kind of a little bit shady in some stuff, sure, but this is like a half percent 0.1 chance here we're not talking about like the regular norm with the pph. 

01:08:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's challenging because you're dealing with an agent usually, so you have like a double chance right where, like, your agent could be a complete scumbag. He can be, you know, losing money himself and just saying, hey, the guys aren't paying me, I can't pay you. There's just so much I'd say, definitely in order of trustworthiness legal offshore PPH. I don't know if anyone would really argue that. 

01:09:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fair enough. I think we got one more here and then rob's got to apologize to man of the library. 

01:09:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe, not maybe yes, well, I don't want to. 

01:09:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't want um both him and and zaubert launching lawsuits at the same time okay that would be class action like everyone's gonna lump in together, yeah when you get start, when you guys started creating content, has it been somewhat of a distraction for your own performance in sports betting, or have you found it to be more helpful instead? Um, I'll start. I don't really create content, I just do this one podcast, so, um, that's it. We record it. It takes like an hour and a half a week and, um, it's a lot of fun. It definitely hasn't impacted anything and it's a lot of fun, it definitely hasn't impacted anything. 

01:09:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So not on me. But, rob, go ahead. Okay, I'm not one to like mince words or lie about anything. Definitely, content, creating content takes time. Period, that's less time that can be devoted to other things. So now I have to make a conscious choice of where am I going to spend less time. Is that gonna be on entertainment? Yes, so I haven't golfed. Where am I going to spend less time? Is that going to be on entertainment? Yes, so I haven't golfed since. I've been to Vegas, right, so we're talking about a couple of weeks now. That's unheard of for me, but that's been the case. Not golfing. Haven't popped up in the Xbox in a while now, so that's kind of where I'm choosing to spend my time. 

01:10:28
At the end of the day, I don't think my betting has suffered because I'm still putting the same amount of time into it, but there may be, there may come a point where I'm not able to do that. 

01:10:33
So it's. It's just really a matter of managing resources, uh, and for me, the more content I do, the less other things I can do, because there's just only so much time in a day and you can't do two things at once. With that said, a lot of what I do for betting overlaps into the content space. So it's like double service, right, like when I'm researching a game or running a model number on a game or whatever betting a game, I'm in tune with what's going on in the market. That helps me from a content perspective and being able to talk about it. So there's a lot of overlap between the two, which helps. But yeah, as you take on more things, naturally you just have less time to do others. I'd like to think it's not a distraction, but I mean, I got I got a lot of things going on that are not just betting anymore. 

01:11:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So you know it's what it is. Fair enough, all right. And then, lastly, before we close off this week's episode, we got a couple of questions here. When do you want to apologize to the man at the library? Will you have man at the library on as a guest to settle this beef? Why is Rob Pizzola slandering and harassing people after being shown proof that they were wrong? When is the public apology coming? And then the last one why is Rob Pizzola such a scumbag? 

01:11:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, that was just me, of course it was you didn't tell you how big of a scumbag I am. Um, okay, man of the library, we did this segment on tweets that trigger us last week. It was more so meant to be. I was triggered more so because of chris felica. Um, I'll, I'll talk about. We're not going to have man of the library on as a guest to settle this beef. That's, let me make that be, pretty fun? 

01:12:06
no, it could be, but, like you know, you did a twitter spaces kind of coming at me now. I would have given that opportunity at some point. I actually even considered it. 

01:12:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But based on what he's saying the spaces. 

01:12:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I didn't listen to it, but this guy came at me hard in spaces. 

01:12:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What'd he say? 

01:12:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
no I don't know well here's, I'm gonna be explicitly clear about something. You can mock me for this or whatever. It doesn't. I don't like negativity in my life. So when somebody comes at me on twitter, I'll probably give them one response if it keeps going into something, I'm just gonna mute that person. And if someone else jumps into that thread, I'm just gonna mute that person. 

01:12:48
I honestly had no idea what was going on this week with man of the library. The only reason I did is because so many people dm'd me about like hey, this guy's going off about you, this guy's doing this. I got a dm from, uh like a bunch of crazy dms, from some tulips guy or whatever. I was just like going off on me. I responded to him a couple times and then I was like okay, I'm just this is going to be our last ever interaction. I told that guy that he just like kind of kept venting or whatever, but I mute most of these people. The amount of people I have muted is in the four figures, not an exaggeration. I do that just don't want to hear people with negativity who are going to be putting me down or so on and so forth. I don't need that in my life with man of the library. Specifically, I reference deleted tweets. He did have deleted tweets in the past. Those tweets were deleted from one of his timelines and moved to one of the other timelines. So anyone that doesn't know anything about this person and went and saw that he deleted UFC picks would have no idea that they were moved to another timeline. So for that sure I will apologize, because those picks did appear in another timeline that was accessible by like 150 people rather than the full list. 

01:14:01
My whole point still applies for Chris Felica. Guy is essentially promoting someone who thinks that sporting events are fixed and rigged and has in the past made selections based off of fights being fixed to favor someone of a certain race or so on and so forth. None of that changes. I'll stand behind that completely, but sure I will say the deleted tweets were then posted somewhere else. They do exist somewhere on the internet. That is fine. 

01:14:31
Ultimately, this feels like a large excuse to me for man of the library not to track on bet stamp, which I think if you you know anyone who's reputable out there or wants to build a name for themselves and create a reputation, should do that. So I would hope that he comes back to track on bet stamp if he doesn't. He doesn't, but seemed to me like an easy way to get out of tracking on bet stamp just to create this type of beef. I've said my piece, don't really want to talk about it one more anymore. I can go on with more and more stuff in terms of but we don't even need to get there there you go. 

01:15:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Rob pazola is public apology. There you have it while we're at it. He was wrong. 

01:15:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
While we're at it matt zalbert, it's been about a year since you requested this apology. 

01:15:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I did treat you like garbage I clipped that for the board I did. 

01:15:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Come on I did treat you like garbage. In hindsight, I regret some of the tweets that I made towards you does not change the fact that you do post numbers that don't exist anywhere in the world. Does not change the fact that, honestly, like no one was was reading your articles or whatever. None of that changes. However, I could have been more graceful. Would rather not see your legal team come after me at some point. Don't really want any legal action here. Those ones are completely done. 

01:16:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Clip that for the board, please, Zach. That is an all-time clip. 

01:16:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My existing beef right now is not with zalbert. It's not really with man of the library, even though you know his following thinks that that's where the beef is. Whatever they can keep spewing out into you know the air drawing attention to my timeline. I'm fine with it. You just keep going after it forever and ever. I picked up so many followers this week from this is great. I'm just like my. My net worth is going up thanks to this, so you can continue with that network. Is his network? Uh, sweat investor. Haven't really thought about him in a long time. That beef is like somewhat squashed. Uh, for, for a little bit. My existing beef right now is with warren sharp I gotta tell you, this guy yesterday okay. 

01:16:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How many people have threatened legal action on Raw from Twitter? This is insane, literally. Man of the Library, zybert and Warren Sharp have all threatened legal action against this guy. 

01:17:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let me clarify Warren Sharp. Technically, warren sharp did not threaten anything. Someone from warren sharp's posse called me did not, was not a lawyer, was not anything. They just said to me in words like listen, not saying we're threatening legal action or anything like that, but if, if the picks don't come down like like we're going to, so you're not saying he's going to break your legs? 

01:17:29
Yeah, we're going to have to do something. We're going to have to take, you know, some. I'm like okay, you know I get it, whatever. One of my biggest regrets of the last year was taking those picks out of BetStamp. Like, honestly, I just didn't want it to be a thing where, like I had to drag you and Julian in and like it was going to be my like okay, rob, like why the hell? Like we have to deal with this now because of you. I regret that big time. 

01:17:54
But this Monday morning this guy releases three plays at 9.27 am. Okay, small limits, whatever, I don't really care about that. You can release plays whenever you want to. I just don't put much stock into that. But 9 27 am, the three plays that came out all had already steamed at 9 12 am, 15 minutes prior. 

01:18:19
This guy is such a scumbag that he's front running the plays and then giving out the plays at the numbers that he played that are no longer available to you. Please Do not buy this person's picks. Do not take their advice. It is so incredibly frustrating to me that there's hundreds of blue check marks promoting this person's guide every year, sending traffic to his website, that now a bunch of people are going to go to that website, they're going to see falsified records and they're going to go and buy a picks package from Warren Sharp where they're not even going to be able to get real numbers. Like, at least wait until you release the like. If you want to, if you want to be like, wait till you release the play and then bet it yourself. Or if you're going to bet it yourself, fine, don't give clients a fake number. If you move a line, a total from 49 to 51, it's moved by the time you send out your email with this is what to bet. 51 is the number. It's not 49 anymore. You can't track against 49 for your client releases Drives me insane. So, zalbert, you're good, man of the library, you're good Sweat investor, you're good. Who else have I had beef with on this show? They're all good right now. 

01:19:38
Warren Sharp, public enemy number one Absolute bullshit. I don't get frustrated too often. Well, that's not true. I get frustrated all the time. I hate that stuff. I hate it. Space needs to be cleaned up. Do not believe bullshit and, honestly, never, ever give money to a guy If you're getting an email of plays and you're going to bet those plays and you're saying, like none of these numbers exist and you actually go back into line history and say these numbers never existed at any time. After then, don't like make it public, start letting people know that this guy is scamming you, because this is a full-fledged scam, plain and simple. My piece is done. We gotta get sharky waters nation on the podcast. You know, somebody messaged me this week and they're like I absolutely hate that you introduced me to this guy on circles off because I can't stop watching his videos and I get so mad. 

01:20:34
That's what the one guy said he's like I literally try to stop watching his videos, but I can't and I get so angry good, let's get him on the pot sharky water's nation is an entertainer. 

01:20:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know, gotta get on sharky water's nation and honestly I gotta, I gotta get trent on the pod, oh yeah we'll get. 

01:20:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We'll get trent, trent, no problem. Sharky water's nation to me like what he's doing. Sorry, like you know, he's posting a lot of trend. He's posting a lot of stuff that doesn't matter, right In sports betting. We know that he's in a different breed where he actually believes everything that he's saying. Yeah, sharky Waters, sharky Waters. Like he believes in what he's doing, he believes in his process and that what he's doing will actually make other people money. I think that there's actually good intent there. 

01:21:26
That we can talk. You know we can agree to disagree with Warren sharp. There is no good intent. He's literally he is like a low life scum of the earth what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's betting his place before he gives them to his clients. He's giving his clients the numbers that he already played which no longer exists. He knows exactly what he's doing and that's where I have an issue with it. Sharky waters okay, he's probably doing some harm to people because a lot of people take that as gospel and but in his heart he is good, he's well intended, right. That to me is the difference between create like people, like that. But I wouldn't mind getting sharky waters on trent for sure. You know we got a lot. We got a long list of people in in the, in the um, the, the bets name discord, the david bote guy we need, oh yeah, jimmy. 

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