00:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
welcome to circles off episode number 69, the big 69 jared allen famous 69. Uh. David bakhtiari left tackle of the green bay packers. You know who tried to wear it Dennis Rodman. 

00:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Did he try? Yes, what about the NHL? 

00:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
NHL? I can't think of anyone. 

00:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Mlb was Bronson Arroyo I believe Doug the Thug Glatt wore number 69. Greg. 

00:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
McKegg wore 69. A very unfamous NHL-er, but if you're in the local Toronto market you would remember that. Traded for Zach Hyman, yes, but yep, this is a milestone episode. Was Dougie Glatt 69? 

00:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, take 69, it's hilarious yeah. 

00:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think that's it. So no NBA-ers. I mean I'm sure there's way more than that that I'm not forgetting about. 

01:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Bakhtiari is a legend for those beer chugs. 

01:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Bakhtiari is a legend. I'd like to see him back on the field at some point. Yeah, they need him. They need him in some capacity. 

01:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Are we ready for the guests? Can I rant on this Bill's first touchdown thing? 

01:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sure go for a rant and then we'll bring in our guests. 

01:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
for the rest, I was smiling ear to ear. I saw a video on Twitter For everyone who watched this past couple days ago, buffalo Bills First touchdown, reggie Gilliam I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly caught a screen out the backfield, slipped a tackle, ran into the end zone. A lot of people had first touchdown tickets on that. You could have got him at plus 10, 10 000, some some even better than that. But what I want to say is this video I saw made me smile so much because this is literally what gambling or like for fun, and this is the fun of gambling. 

01:56
So it was like some sort of college, maybe like a little frat house or like a college house somewhere in the us and um. It's like these kids, probably 21, 22 years old around there. They all bet reggie gilliam first touchdown. They got it at plus 7 000. So I presume was that was the draft kings number. So they're probably in a legal state. They bet on draft kings. Plus 7 000 didn't get the best number. Obviously they should have. They didn't care about that. They probably bet whatever. I'm estimating it probably like five dollars, which is completely fine. College kid bet five dollars on a first touchdown, reggie gilliam. They videotaped it when they're in the red zone and we've all been there. You see your guy on the screen, like, oh, because you have a big long shot, you just hope he's on the field in the red zone. That's really all you can ask. Yeah, exactly. So they're like, oh, my god, he there, I see him. I see him, he's on the screen, he catches it. It does not look like he's getting in the end zone. 

02:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It looks like he's going to get dusted three yards behind the line of scrimmage. 

02:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It looks like he's going to get dusted. They're all going nuts. He slips the tackle. They're like go, go, go. He runs into the end zone. They're jumping up and down. They're videotaping it and the reason I'm like I love that. So they probably won 350 bucks, 300 bucks, something like that, who knows, maybe 700 if someone bet a tenner. But what a cash. Because they will never forget that for the rest of their lives, like you will. They will be 50 years. There will be 80 years old talking to their grandkids or 50 years old talking to their kids about sports betting, and they will. They will never forget that they hit this random guy, reggie Gilliam, who no one probably will ever have heard of by that time. Yep, no one will remember and they'll be like we had them to hit the first touchdown and this is what happened. And they'll show that video and like it just legit. 

03:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That is what it's all about, man. That is so much fun. Yeah, it's the sense of community with sports betting, like win together, lose together. We've talked about this with content creators before, some that are able to to grow massive followings even though they consistently lose that picks. It's because people want to bet together and have those experiences, whether it is win or lose. Now, obviously the win is way better. Um it the bench at the bet stamp office. 

04:00
We've talked about the pinata picks that sports interaction does on on this podcast before. But we we won a big one with scotty scheffler, where everybody, like people who are not even golf fans, are now watching the final round on sunday live updates via telegram chat. People are going nuts. Scheffler hits an amazing shot out of the bunker on 18 and we're not even together, but you can feel the excitement that everyone is going through at that moment. Now, obviously, there's an added element. When everyone's together, you know everyone's slapping high fives. One guy you know probably gets punched in the nuts as a joke or something like that, as as friends like to do, or whatever. But yeah, it's, you know it's. It's amazing that type of experience. It doesn't really get better than that. There's one thing winning at sports betting, your own. Celebrating with a group of people who all cashed on the same bet it's, it's fantastic. 

04:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like I I used to do that with my buddies every every year on Thanksgiving we pick a like a first touchdown, score a long shot, and we all ride it together. Like I'll even remember, we hit some dumb ones they weren't even that long odds. Like we hit adrian peterson when he was on the lions. Like what a cash. Like, let's go, adrian peterson. No, not even a good bet, just a dumb. You know you're gonna lose money on it. 

05:11
I even remember one time we had titans tight end at the time, anthony firxer still plays right now but this was before he was even like getting any snaps and we had firxer for uh first touchdown and he didn't cash it, didn't even get it. I don't even think he got a catch in the game. But he was in the red zone and got a red zone target in the end zone. He didn't catch it, but he had a red zone target and we were going. Just that alone, I won't even forget. We were going so nuts. 

05:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, Now it's the it's definitely's actually getting uh kind of nuts now. But nfl betting is great. I'm glad to have football back. We have been listening to your requests, uh, for those who are in the bet stamp discord, uh, all the the advice, um, and you know, guest requests that you've had for circles off. Before we get into our guest here this week once again, this episode of circles off sponsored by the power rank sports betting newsletter valuable, concise and entertaining. Dr ed fang makes this his three goals with each correspondence, which mostly covers the nfl and college football. Ed is a personal friend of myself and Johnny's and he's a data scientist who has informed my betting with his work. Check out the newsletter at thepowerrankcom. 

06:31
Back onto the guest train this week, as we're going to welcome in a great tennis better, great soccer better someone who I don't know a whole lot about. So this should make for some interesting stories. Joey Isaacs now joins us on circle up, circles off. We are now joined by professional sports better, joey isaacs. That is an alias, we'll get into that. You can follow him on twitter at joey isaacs, j-o-e-y-i-s-a-k-s. Joey, thank you for joining circles off episode number 69. I'm thrilled to be here, guys. Thank you for joining circles off episode number 69. 

07:06 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I'm thrilled to be here, guys. Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed listening to you guys, especially that Simon Hunter one. That was epic. 

07:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We appreciate it, yeah, we appreciate the compliments that that episode did blow up and we you know we got a lot of good feedback on that one. 

07:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I think we should do more of those. Is that good content? 

07:26 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Amazing. I think it's the best and if I ever am coming off in this episode like remotely like that, please just roast me I don't think you will Imagine we had to do a roast of one of our own guests after the fact. 

07:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Who? 

07:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
would we have done it to Like? 

07:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
we're watching the interview we gave and then just roasting the answers. 

07:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That that would be pretty epic, yeah, we would be bad hosts, I take it no, I don't think that's gonna be the case, um, but I guess, honestly, first question for you, joey just uh, if you want to give like a brief overview background of yourself how you got like started embedding what you're betting right now, just uh, give us the works, like let's hear it yeah, this is like a like a first date, uh. 

08:09 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
So yeah, so I I started betting, like you know, like like everyone, like super young though, like probably like 10 years old, 11 years old like going like parlays and and then, uh, I kind of got into the whole poker boom and so I stopped betting sports and then played some college sports. So I didn't do it. And then after college I just started, you know, betting all the time and really loved it and I was like a complete square always you know parlays and all that. So I think that that's actually helped me, as I've gotten to where I am now, to understand, like what it's like to lose, what it's like to not know anything, and I think that's really helped me like form partnerships with these people who want to like learn and do that. And you know I can relate to everything that they're going through, because I have been like a losing player um years on on your end. 

09:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I have a very similar story to you. I mean, you've probably heard me talk about it before, but on your end, what? What was it that, like allowed you to switch from being a losing better to a winning better? Like, was there some sort of internal light bulb moment that you had, where it's like I can no longer do this, I have to do this instead? Or was it just something that developed over the course of many years? 

09:29 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Uh, it took a long time. Honestly, like I learned from just handing accounts for like, probably, like I started doing that when I was like 24, 25. So like 12 years ago, and and that's when I realized like that's, this is nothing like what I'm doing. I'm gonna just not bet myself and I'm just gonna, you know, kind of perfect the craft of like. Okay, how can I just get as many accounts as I can? And what type of business model works for me in terms of like? Should I be taking risks? Should I be taking a free roll? And you know cause I didn't have much money. 

10:06
So that was like what I was trying to do at that point and I think you know everyone has to learn for themselves. But like it was really easy 10, 12 years ago, like especially cause my friends were all young and betting sports. Now they don't. It's harder as like a 37 year old to get accounts, but I was like one of the only people at 24 who could actually like, who bet sports, who could like form of social sentence, like some of these people are just so socially awkward and not good at getting accounts and I kind of perfected a craft of like, coming off as like a idiot and I just accounts started rolling in and got it. 

10:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, it is a, it is a, it is a skill that's needed. I would say for sure. 

10:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How was the LA scene there? So were you always in LA? 

10:56 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
yeah, born and raised, I'm a unicorn. I'm like one of the only people, I think, that have lived in LA for now 37 years almost. 

11:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, good, good shit. So how was the? How was the scene there? I guess growing up like was it more. I mean LA, for those who don't know. Obviously in California is one of the few major States remaining that has not yet been, you know, given the green light on regulated gambling, so you won't have the likes of DraftKings, caesar and the rest, and so obviously you have to rely more on the offshore space or other partnerships. 

11:28 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah. So right now I am almost I would say like 80%, 85% PPH model, like I'm trying to get as many accounts and I'm trying to bet a lot of props and trying to fill in most. Most of the other straights are just to keep accounts going Like I've always felt like okay, every single person with PPH accounts have seen like what RAS account like bets look like. I want to like be different, I want to look different. So it depends on the prop and depends on the site. 

11:58
And if you're trying to like be like a new you know new guy in PPH, like you should focus on probably like one prop or one site. If you can't beat like Gotham or Yopig right now with props, like you're just you're never going to beat anything. So I think that's a good way to start like find like the one prop that works for you and try to scale that up. And then you can do some like let's this year, like I've done a ton and I didn't in the past, but I've done a ton of head to head total bases in baseball, not just like the broken lines on like one bet Vegas, which I can call them out, but like that was so good for so long, and then Porter had to come on Twitter and just beg for it and then two days later they're just removed from the site. I don't know if you guys saw that, but I did. 

12:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I do have the summary, I guess. 

12:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I guess rob well I mean the porter's been a guest on on circles off before one of the earlier episodes, which was audio only. Um, probably in the first, somewhere in the 10 to 20 range. You can. You can check out the discussion that we've had with him, but I do really quickly just want to offer some clarity because this is a very nuanced, advanced discussion that we're having here and some people might hear some words like one bet vegas or yo pig or what gotham, and not have any idea what we're talking about. 

13:20
And these are just the terms for different paper heads. So most people who are betting and are acclimated to betting now, especially across the us, you're dealing with a lot of regulated sports books the draft kings, kings, the fan duel, so on and so forth Paperheads. Historically you'd meet up with somebody, you'd give them cash at the end of the week or they would give you cash, and these are just different types of paperheads. So there's literally dozens upon dozens, but just to offer some clarity there for anyone who might not be in tune with what's going on in the conversation. 

13:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But essentially just more sports books is what it comes down to and also like, as Rob mentioned, the different paper heads, similar to how, like DraftKings, fanduel and PointsBet all have different odds, they would all have slightly different odds. 

14:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Right, right. So so, joey, first. First, actually, let's start. I said I was going to get to this off the top. Joey Isaacs is an alias. Why an alias for yourself? For one and number two, how did you come up with the alias? 

14:20 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
So when I started giving accounts, I did it with a buddy who is the most scared of everything he will do on Telegram, a secret chat. It'll be disabled in two seconds, like this was before telegram. But like so he started going by joey. So I was like, well, if we're gonna share accounts, I gotta go by joey too. And and then I was like I made us a twitter account and then we've we've dissolved over the years. He was like he literally grew up on my street. He doesn't like sports, he doesn't like betting, but he just knew that like handing accounts off to sharps was like a way to make easy money. Uh, he never sweat a bet. He would just be the guy who would have, monday morning, look at every site, send a perfect excel sheet and be like all right, let's settle up it's a grinder. 

15:10
He's like making money, love that yeah and and we kind of like went our separate ways because he got he's, he. Now what he wants is like five accounts that are firing like 5 000 a game on straights, not moving lines, and just wants to deal with that stress-free. And I would rather have like as many accounts as I can firing small props and lower market and dealing with annoying bookies and being stiff and that stuff. But I don't have a wife and I mean I do have a wife but I don't have kids, so I don't have to worry about that annoying me yet. 

15:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, fair enough. I mean, obviously it's. It's all about how far you want to take it and how much you're willing to put in in terms of work. So, like hassle free is also going to mean less, less money for the most part, um, and that's not just with sports, but I feel like that's with everything you know you're always gonna have to deal with some sort of hassle any job, I will say that totally I will say I went to bet bash and I introduced myself as my real name without like realizing that no one knows me by Adam at all. 

16:16 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
And I'm like, hey, I'm Adam. They're like okay, cool. I'm like we follow each other on Twitter. They just blank stared. I'm like I'm Joey Isaacs. 

16:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
They're like, oh, hey, what's up sorry, do you give out your name now and stuff? Is that not a big deal to you anymore? Or you just? 

16:30 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
well, I've always I mean like I've always gone by my real name. It's just my twitter account is just joey isaacs and fair enough did you just make the name up any meaning towards it? 

16:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I guess that's curiosity more, but any meaning yeah, so he went by joey. 

16:46 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
So I just went by fake name generatorcom, typed in joey, got a last name and went from there. And I'm not like you know, I don't use Twitter like for anything other than like. I am literally addicted to it, I think yeah, I don't really try to like. You know I'm not posting plays. I'm not like sweating games, tweeting play by play like. I mostly just do it like because I like looking at people's tweets and I think there was like a point five years ago where you can really learn a lot Like you can absorb so much good information every day on Twitter. I think we've reached the point where it is like a chest pumping with like since legals, it's a chest pumping like dick, like sorry not to use that word, but like it's a chest pumping like dick, like sorry not to use that word, but like it's a dick swinging contest now and it's like nothing really um, educational as being and it's a lot of drama like this. 

17:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This tout's fighting with this, tout ras is fighting with this guy and like it's becoming a like a little bit exhausting yeah, I mean, I think you probably are at a level right now where it's hard to learn off twitter and stuff like that, but for the most part like for anyone new coming up like still a ton to learn the issue becomes more joey. What you're saying is like sorting through all the garbage and the mess out there, right, because you're you're gonna get pulled a hundred different ways and you're like, oh, this guy's winning. He posted the screenshot of that, he hit this touchdown bet. And then you know you don't really realize that that guy just had a lucky bet and whatever, and he's actually bust. 

18:13
And then you know there's other people who aren't posting plays who are winning the most. So I think, yeah, you could still learn a lot. Right now, even just, uh, beginning like as a true beginner, you could learn so much. There's no real like articles that come out in like the newspapers that are about betting you know what I mean or in the not newspapers anymore, but newspaper sites same kind of deal um, just nothing comes out anymore. So you really have to learn like kind of on twitter or, I guess, reddit or other forums, youtube, stuff like that. 

18:42 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Oh no, I mean, the washington post had that article like and every article is the exact same. It's line shop, it's. Yeah, let's do this. And I'm actually honestly like, I'll honestly like not a heat, like I tell these beginners like I don't think you need to worry so much about price, and I think I'm in the minority on this. Like, if you're betting $75, who cares if you're risking 92 or 94,? Like you, like the best. 

19:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's all relative, though. Right, like someone who's only risking that amount that that $2 like would mean something to them. I get it. There is the that argument about it. Like you know, we get this from a five dollar better all the time. Right, it's like, oh, I'm gonna save myself 20 cents. It's like, okay, but over the course of this many plays, you're actually going to save yourself a total of five dollars, which is your standard unit, so why not do it regardless? 

19:29 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
but I think what? What happens is that they pass on something like that, like that, because they find like, oh, my threshold is gone, it's a bad bet. And then they end up betting something different, because you know they're going to bet something like we're not just going to sit on our toes and not bet tonight. And then you know they bet something, assuming they have value, and well, because, oh, they heard that betting against the patriots is sharp. 

19:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
so they got plus seven and a half and they lose so for us, the the reason why it's so important at the smaller stakes, in my opinion, is because it's same with like regular like life. So if you have no money, you're broke college kid, you waste all your money spend. Any time you get a hundred bucks, you blow it on a chain or something like that. Anytime you get a thousand bucks, you you blow it on nice clothes. When you do eventually do have money, you're going to do the same thing you're going to blow it. 

20:17
So it's more like instilling the value at the smaller scale gives you the chance to grow. So if you're a five dollar better and you're like I can't bet, if you're a twenty dollar better and you're like I can't bet minus 112, I gotta look around and open up a new book and then have that in my arsenal so I could get a minus 09. That is now the same thing. That's going to help you actually instill that like you're going to start winning and then you can grow. If you're like, ah, it's only five cents, then eventually you're going to be like, ah, it's only 50 bucks, it's only 500. Or you may never get to that spot. 

20:47 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I just feel like if you're a $5, better you should be looking at trying to also get like wins. Like if you think like you should add in like minus 300, like minus, like you should add in, like stuff like that, I guess what you're like, what you're saying is like your bank account is $100. So you shouldn't be doing that. But like I'm a big fan of like find wins, like find. Like if you're really small, find just find wins. 

21:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You find. When, like, find, like, if you're really small, find, just find, wins you. I mean, listen, you could? It's just more along the lines of for us, it's like how are you, how do you, are you ever going to scale it if you don't have the correct principles in the, in the small scale? Right, you? You need to learn that in order to actually become someone who's going to make thousands or tens of thousands, hundreds of hundreds of thousands, if you're like, yeah, that you know what I mean, like just because, so I would look at this as, like, every person who wants to do this seriously is running like a business, right, they're running their own business. Now, whether your business is a business that makes 25 bucks a year and you're a dollar better, or whether your business is, you know, making 25 grand a year and you're a thousand dollar better, it's still the same. 

21:52 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, I think. My last point on this is I think people that are saying what you guys are saying forget how emotionally difficult it is for these people to lose. Like when they lose it sends them on tilt and then they bet something stupid. 

22:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, no, fair enough, I understand what you're saying, when you're saying like, bet a minus 300, you're not saying like just blindly bet that, but you're saying like try to find something that's more likely to win so you get a win under your belt. And then you're more motivated to like keep a winning record and stuff like that, as opposed to dunking everything on like plus a thousand parlays and then going down and going on tilt, trying to chase, go to the casino I. That's all very good points yeah, that's just my that's. 

22:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's what I feel, but yep, um, just backtracking really quickly, because you mentioned bet pash. That was, by the way, our our first ever interaction in person as well. You introduced yourself as adam. I was like, oh, okay, nice to meet you, or whatever. And then I was at another event the day later and I'm like, oh, I I heard Joey Isaacs is around here and some guy pointed you out. He's like, oh yeah, he's over there. I'm like, oh, I was like very confused. But anyways, this is a completely random story because that was our first interaction For these interviews. 

23:05
Joey, I do like to go in like not knowing everything about a person. I do like to go in like not knowing everything about a person but also doing like a little bit of research. So what I tend to do is reach out to mutual acquaintances of yours and see if there's like anything interesting I can ask you about. And I reached out to people that might be in your inner circle or know you and they said you got to ask Joey about his Baccarat story. You got to ask Joey about his Baccarat story in London. Apparently had like a huge score playing Baccarat or something. I actually don't even know if people are like if this is a coordinated effort to mislead me into like asking you a dumb question or not, but from what I understand, you have a great Baccarat story to tell. 

23:50 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah. So it's a long one and I'll try to keep it as short and sweet as I can. Basically, I went on like the biggest heater of my life, like in tennis betting. I know we wanted to talk tennis and a mutual friend was, I guess, tailing every single bet for a lot of money, like way more than I was betting at this time. He made a lot of money and so he wanted to like introduce himself and we started texting. We started texting day and night. 

24:20
We started, you know, doing accounts together a little like, and he wanted like 100,000 a bet kind of thing, like anything was on limits. And then we started having a lot of trouble, uh, getting accounts and keeping accounts, and he then goes. We need to go, uh, open up table games to get and lose and get high limits. So he goes. You need to go to malaysia tomorrow and find anyone there who will fly to las vegas sorry, fly to london with you and play baccarat with you. Know, I have an account with $6 million ready to go. So I was like this is ridiculous, I'm not doing that, but I'll go on Craigslist of you know Malaysia and find it. And I do. I find this guy, aaron Chong. He flies to London. We try to set him up with the accounts like the, the. 

25:11
You know all these casinos were rejecting him because he doesn't have any money to his name and you need to do what's called like a bank guarantee, where they email your, like they send a little one cent to your bank. The casino sends one cent just to verify funds. So it took about four or five weeks to get the writs to finally approve him for play. First couple days he plays, he doesn't do, he does a fine and then he's. He makes. You know, we bump up to like 100, 200 grand a hand and he makes the money into about 10 million. And then all of a sudden I was like, okay, let's stop because I'm 10, free roll. This is life-changing money for a 25 year old yeah my friend was like we're not stopping. 

25:52
He gets, he goes fly to london like you got to watch this and he ends up making 24 million but like from from what specifically like. 

26:01 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Are you able to say or no, is it? 

26:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
sorry, like my question is mostly around. Is he on a true heater or was there some sort of? 

26:09 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
complete luck. Okay, it's a complete luck game, which is what the whole like purpose was. And then the story like gets really weird because like to get, not to get like too cultural, but like if he executes a cash out, it goes to the third party, the guy who set all this up. And they, like malaysians, are like trained in their head to like not trust white people and they get cheated over like. And he was like I'm never gonna see a penny of this. You guys are gonna take me out of the deal when you get your money. And so he's like I need my percent paid in cash. And we were both like I can't pay this guy three million cash. I can't, I don't have. Our money is tied up and in this account. So it became like the biggest like shit show in the world. For months at a time, we're just like sitting with this money in the Ritz like account. Crazy stuff happened, but I it. It just became a shit show. Let's just say that. 

27:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So did it end up getting paid out? 

27:20 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
The it, it I got screwed out, I I got screwed, uh, for various reasons. There was like some legal effort and everything but like, and this whole thing ran deep. There are nfl players involved. Like it was like wow, it was a crazy story all right, so do you end? 

27:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
up getting any money from it, or you just get screwed on your percentage or what. What happened? 

27:36 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
or if you're able to say well, I will say this I went to a bank with a 2.5 million dollar cashier check and I've never been treated so well. They, they have like nine people waiting on you and I was just sweating because I was like I, this was like after legal battles and I was like I don't know if this is real, like this, this is like shady stuff happening every day. And they, they were like it's, they did everything to like authenticate this cashier's check and they were like it's real. And and that was like the greatest second of my life. And then, a few months later, everything hit the fan and I ended up not getting it. 

28:18
But, that's another story yeah. 

28:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I mean, it was a real story. I was not set up on this in any capacity, but that's really interesting because I mean it's outside of the sports betting realm, of course, but also just the amount of funds involved. And, yeah, I think, like the question that goes through my head as you tell it is always like, well, was there like some sort of advantage play? Because there was the Phil Ivey situation right where he got the casino to agree to using a certain deck of cards which was marked, cards which swung the I think background is usually like a 1% house edge, just over 1%, or something like that but swung things in his favor, obviously, knowing that some cards were marked and um, uh, I wondered if it was a similar scenario or not. 

29:05 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I mean, you don't have to comment on that but, no, I, I'll tell you in a second what ended up happening. 

29:10
But uh, there is like when you have high stakes, like if you're gonna buy in for 500,000, you can negotiate with the casino a percent back and that is. 

29:22
And if you can agree like to terms that are valuable to you, like I was reading a story I don't know if you know about this guy he would get the house to agree to like a five million buy-in dealer, uh, I think stays on soft 17, whatever the advantage one is, and all these things, and and it would be at 3 am. Only he would have and and uh, what he would basically be like hoping for is a dealer mistake, because that that pays out the player. So he would do all sorts of like crazy things, like hire a marching band, hire strippers to like distract the dealer and like try to get them to make one mistake through the play because that's gonna like change when you're getting 25 your losses back, like change it to like his advantage. And he made millions. But uh, what ended up happening with me is that it turns out that the bank that funded everything was like shady and didn't fund any any of it, so they were basically taking a free shot at the Ritz, and that's ended up with happening. 

30:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Got it. So the uh, the issue came with the funding Interesting. 

30:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yes, so did anyone get? I mean, I guess we can talk this off the air, but so you won the. You won the 24 mil. I think you said it was. Did anyone get that money? 

30:37 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, aaron, aaron got it, aaron got paid. 

30:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm still in touch with him. 

30:44 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
He's in New York right now. He got paid on the side and I don't know all how it was funded. Uh, I know that some NFL players were involved, that's in, they got scammed and that's kind of like. When I started learning about this, I was like I'm getting out. This is like a little. This is running like a little too shady and deep for me. 

31:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So Damn, that's crazy shit. So you mentioned off the off the top that this kind of started from just tennis betting, yeah, and going on like an absolute just run. So I guess if you want to talk more about that, you do. You are, you know, known as a really top tennis better. So just I guess, talk about that Like how did, how did that start? Were you originating, Were you moving? 

31:38 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Were you. How were you coming up with that, and are you still doing it? So, yeah, I did. I've done everything in tennis from originating based on mostly, uh, like qualitative, like, not not through models, like you know, just watching a lot of tennis and and and doing that and being like kind of connected into the you know the whole tennis world and I've done like attempted to court side and you know you learn a lot that way. Like you know, what is this Like? Finding the slow umpires, like this umpires always is notoriously known for, like changing the score slow. I'm going to go to his matches, things like that. You know, I've tried it all in tennis and, uh, I don't bet that much tennis anymore and my style is a lot different than haru's, who I know you mentioned, is like, would you go head to head? I would go head to head with him in a real tennis match. We actually played, uh, but he's actually really good for just starting a year or two ago, uh, so credit to him. 

32:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So to add more context talking about Haru Masayama, I guess we've had on the podcast earlier um in an earlier episode episode 12, if anyone wants to listen, he's a top tennis better as well. And then I guess, joey, so you, you, you played him in real tennis then yeah. Are you a tennis? 

32:48 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
player. I did played college tennis okay, so fair enough. 

32:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're, uh, obviously you know experience. Yeah, you mentioned haru just starting a couple years ago. That's cool. So you know, in a betting tennis match though, you're saying, yeah, would you go, would you go head-to-head or no? 

33:03 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
you know we're just. We're a lot different. Uh, he, he takes a lot more like underdogs and has a lot more market influence. He'll send me a play and he'll take someone plus 360 and it'll be plus 220 by the time. He sends it to me A lot of times. Honestly, no offense to him, but I will take the other side because I think he moves it too much. Wow, that's blatant disrespect. 

33:31
I tell him we were talking in the first round with. I tell him I was like like we were talking the first round, serena and and I was like this is ridiculous, because he was on the other side. I was like this is ridiculous. At this point I'm taking serena, uh. But you know, I look, I look for more, like right now like really informed favorites, and I probably have like maybe two, two, three bad tennis bets a week and that's it. So it's not a big part. 

33:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't think he would take offense to knowing that somebody plays back on the other side after the line has moved that much. Yeah, you're not getting the same bet as me and Johnny were talking about this on the last circles off. But when I first started betting baseball I probably opposed the best group in market on like two thirds of my place because they were moving the market. 50 cents on every single baseball game is creating value on the other side. 

34:19 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Totally and I think that's honestly like something that when you're learning, like when you're like starting I I made the mistake 10 years ago, like when I was hearing about like Ed and RAS and they would play a college basketball game. You know minusAS and they would play a college basketball game. You know minus three and I would play minus seven. Not knowing I'm like they must know, so you know, and I didn't realize, oh, I should be playing plus seven and I know people who do that and they they do really well and and it's not like a knock on them, it's just like this this weekend, when they released the rams first half under, like they moved it to two points or something gain an hour before kickoff. That's like ridiculous. So I know a lot of people that played the over 21, uh, right after. So if you know, especially if you know who's moving it, I think that's a big advantage. Like, like if, if you don't, then I think just blindly opposing it is a little harder. 

35:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually strongly agree with that. 

35:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, well, this is like the stuff that Porter has been talking about, and all the discords as well. 

35:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So yeah, I guess we might as well get your thoughts on that because it is pretty, um, I mean, it flows with the conversation here. But porter, I did look up the episode. He was our guest on episode 16. Uh, at mlbk's psychic on twitter and he ran to the show. Friend of the show. He recently tweeted the value neighbor is he your neighbor, like when you live very close to? 

35:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
me oh, you guys are just clogging up the rich neighborhoods in ritzy la. Where were you guys in orange county, or what? 

35:57 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
no, that, that's not la. I'm in. Uh, I'm actually. I was in santa monica and now I'm in studio city. He's in like west hollywood oh, the nice enjoy. 

36:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You guys probably see some celebs all the time then. 

36:08 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
No, uh, I actually do know a lot of celebrities from friends of friends and uh playing tennis with them, but you don't just see them on the street that often. 

36:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I believe joey is good friends with um, someone from one of your favorite shows ever, johnny, which is entourage who are you friends with? 

36:28 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I'm friends with jerry turtle, you know. We actually almost had our own sports betting podcast last year yeah, no, I'm uh, we, we discussed it. 

36:37 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Obviously that would have been huge, uh, cool stuff. Yeah, turtle from entourage jerry ferrara is his name. 

36:43 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, we're in, uh, we're in a group chat and we send our pics every week. And and then our, our third friend, our mutual friend, steven, uh, who, like created entourage, who I know, jerry, through him. He will like, at the end of the week, always say how'd you guys do? And jerry's like I lost and and it's like, but he tailed me on every play and that's what I'm saying he'll. He's the kind of guy who I'll be like, no offense, I love you, jerry. I'll send him a college football play. And last year he would say, oh, I took minus 10. I'm like, why sent you minus seven? 

37:13
and they win by like seven and I push and yep and I try to like explain to him don't do it like you're just, you're honestly better off taking plus 10, but is he so? 

37:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
is he a uh, a big time better like I mean not, not necessarily asking or anything like that. But is he? 

37:28 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
is he's really into it betting consistently, or I think he likes to bet nfl, uh, but he's, I think he's like 20 dollars got it. 

37:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What he says yeah, just a recreation we're not unit shaming or anything like that, it doesn't matter no, I was more talking like is he into betting like? Is he into sports betting like? Because? 

37:48 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
yeah, he loves I mean he's very knowledge, his props that he does, and that's what I kept telling him like and this is what I tell everyone. Like he'll send me props and like these I think these aren't sharp and and they win. And I'm like, do your thing. Like don't try to. You don't have to try to be like this sharp guy who's betting, like you know that it's. It takes, you know time to become like, like I know you do first touchdowns. That's like an art and I, if you don't know how to price them yourself, you're, you're just guessing, so just just guess. You know, don't try to look for value if you don't know how to price them yourself. 

38:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, fair enough. I mean, I like that, though, cause, even for guys who watch the NFL like you could find something on one specific market that you'll find and you'll be like, wow, I know this kind of thing, and then you just bet that one market, like you could do that and bet 20 bucks and you could, and you could win. You don't have to be like the biggest bet, like a random thing, even just like, um, like a small market, like a number of extra points or something, or like kicker points like, and something dumb, like no one's. No one is realistically betting like hundreds of thousands of dollars on kicker points, because you just can't get enough down on that. So, like it's possible that you could just find something and be like, yeah, like evan mcpherson's gonna go over for like these reasons and they're kicking much, and like all the stuff. 

39:04 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Like you, there's probably something there you can find yeah, like I, I had an account once I don't know who was even playing on it, but they would bet team to take the first penalty and first time out every single week and lose every week. But it made me so curious, like there has to be a way to beat this, because obviously they think they can and I don't think you need to be a genius to like to beat that, you need to be a genius to like to beat that. And so I tell like, I tell people like hey, focus on like the most random thing you know, bet it only and and go from there like you don't have to bet receptions yep, I'm taking denver broncos first time out blindly every game this season, until until they figure out how to how they can snap the ball before the until they fire until they fire their head coach. 

39:49 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That like the the amount, amount of burn timeout so far, those are egregious. 

39:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually wonder though to that point. I wonder if you could actually watch every NFL game and just actually chart how often they get the snap off right before the end of the play clock and stuff like that, and maybe there could be something there. 

40:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, it's not even about that. It's about is the coach dumb enough to take the timeout? 

40:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
right away. 

40:13 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And like they burned. Dude Denver was down in the game last week. They burned a timeout in the second half. They burned three timeouts in the third quarter. You can literally never burn it. You can never take a timeout in the third quarter ever in NFL. It's just the biggest. 

40:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You just can't ever take a third quarter timeout Take a delay again, Especially not on like the ones that kill me are like first and 10 timeout in the third. It's like just take the five yard penalty and run the same timeout. 

40:39 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I would take a timeout on third and one, that's it. 

40:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But also, just like you can't burn that timeout. Like you can't, you have to just run your play at third and one. If you're down in the game. The timeouts are so valuable, especially if you're down. So they were down three points, I think they were down nine, six, something like that, and they burned all three timeouts. And then on top of that, they had to delay a game on a kick that Brandon McManus actually made, but it didn't count, so they also had to punt instead of taking a field goal there. So, whatever the mismanagement I've seen through two weeks, obviously I watched both. I watched both those games fully. One was the primetime game, the other one was a bet, a game I had a big bet on. So I ended up watching both those games like fully and, um, yeah, like I'm, I'm taking broncos first time out it's no doubt you had them in the let's do it. 

41:26 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
You had them in the survivor right in survivor. 

41:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Um, I had. No, I did not have him in Survivor. I actually I'll come clean here. Circa Survivor, I was out both my entries. Week one, it is what it is. I had Cincinnati and San Fran week one. Cincinnati, in my opinion, was the Going into one o'clock, going into kickoff on Sunday was the highest EV play, given that it was the lowest percentage of the pool Part was the highest EV play, given that it was the lowest percentage of the pool Part of the reason why being the rule right, of course, but yeah, like, obviously Baltimore probably would have started off a bit like yeah, that's the most negative EV and that's the one major one. 

42:00
that was a no sweater Week. One was tough. What did you have? 

42:05 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I took Baltimore, week one of Circa. 

42:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Don't tell that to Brett Far 444. 

42:11 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
He might come knocking on your door. I don't think like I just I don't think I'm smart enough to like project ownership, project. You know, I just want to survive and I don't think like what we perceive is like, other than like the bills chiefs. Maybe there's one or two more teams like the rest of the teams could end up being decent. They could end up being not that good. So I don't think I need to save a team like Denver. No, I agree. 

42:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Saving teams is typically always doesn't work out Like it rarely ever works out to save a team for a specific week With the exception of this circuit contest, obviously, like you have to play the Thanksgiving. So I feel like just because of that, you kind of need to make some planning for Thanksgiving. But outside of that regular survival, you shouldn't be saving teams for like week 12. 

43:03 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I'm actually glad I did not know, that. 

43:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So you have to make a Christmas day and a Thanksgiving. So, if you like, for example, used all the six Thanksgiving teams. You're just out on Thanksgiving, yeah. 

43:16 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
No one has told me this rule, so I'm actually really glad. That's I I. No one has told me this rule, so I'm actually really glad. 

43:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The first. We did an entire episode on this, with the first point being you need to understand the rules and read through all the rules twice, and you're coming on like three episodes later. 

43:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Well, you're still good. You only pick two teams, so you're fine. 

43:33 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
You're fine, that's interesting. 

43:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, keep that in mind, and of mine. And then also christmas day is another one where you have to pick. There's a few more games on that day, I believe, but, um, interesting stuff, because, like those are, you're out, you're out. And it's not even about being out, like if you took let's say, you already used three of the favorites. It's like you got to take like a six point dog, like you might, you might as well, uh, call it quits at that. 

43:53
I think, though, joe, you mentioned like not projecting ownership. It's hard to do that, and obviously like you want to survive and just win the pool, but the way that the bet works that you're making is like the payout is unknown, right. So you know that there's a 6 million roughly $6.7 million prize pool, right, but you don't actually know what your prize pool is, and by taking stuff that is lesser owned, if you can basically chart that out, run a sim, which is what we do, you can basically chart that out, run a SIM, which is what we do you can improve your prize pool by a significant amount. So it's kind of like, if you take the main ownership team every week and do survive, you're winning like 200,000. So you're, you're betting to win that. Sure Of course no. 

44:34
No, I got it, but it's still hard to do that Right, so like if you're if you're then like taking lower ownership teams. You're you're at a shot where you're winning like six million um. 

44:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Increasing the prize pool is the same as like decreasing your odds so for me, I I personally always try to project ownership, but what I've noticed I've been in survivor pools for a long time um, we've we've kind of now reached critical mass on survivor grid. So there's a site out there called survivor grid that people consult for ownership and like for the ev and it's actually a solid site it's a great the site, don't get me wrong, it's really well put together it. 

45:08
You know it's projecting ownership. What the point spread is on each game calculates your ev on everything. The thing is it's now too popular where, like, everybody is using that, so now they'll see the highest EV play on there. And what I've noticed, especially to start this season, is that the projections that are publicly available don't come anywhere close to the ownership percentages. Johnny does his own like. Personally, I mean I'm going to have to start going that route as well. 

45:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But literally a waste. It's done after week one. 

45:37 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Like talk about an absolute waste of last, last week, I thought the smartest play would be the browns. Yep I know so yeah obviously broncos last last week. 

45:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's honestly really just dependent on um the pool size as well, because I I think I would think of this a lot differently if I was playing in survivor pool with like 100 people, like I would. I would completely change the strategy I'd use. I'd probably go the the chalk every week in the hundred person, no matter what just biggest favorite? Exactly like I would literally map it out and then just, uh, just pick biggest favorite every week. 

46:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah like you maximize the ev for the entire season by having the point spreads for the whole year and just picking. Yeah, I mean it. Listen, the end of the day, there's just so much luck involved in survivor anyways. And you know people, people, all that. 

46:26
You know there was the the twitter thread around the hammer survivor betting article this week which is like, oh, you know, you recommended the team that ended up being the most favored and it's like, okay, you know, week one I would give up all my losing entries to have baltimore. Like, plain and simple, at the end of the day, yeah, okay, I made a decent bet beforehand. I'm fine with that. It's the same argument with closing line value right where you know spanky would be of the opinion that, like, I'd rather lose the bet and and get the best of the number, I'd be like, no, like I would rather just win the bet and get the worst of the number. I mean, at the end of the day. I mean I wouldn't want to do that consistently over time, but like one week you end up with, baltimore in hindsight ends up being an amazing play in week one, even though they were that highly owned because of the fact that all the other favorites lost and anyways are you in the circle of millions as well. 

47:18 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
No, I've had trouble, so this is my first time doing Survivor. I was in a Survivor League last year where everyone got 10 entries, so it's a lot different strategy, obviously, and that's where I'm kind of. I just did one entry this year. I've done the Circa Millions in the Super Contest before that. 

47:37
And I just don't enjoy it. And I have trouble with the proxy websites. They're like made by three-year-olds and they're like submitting things always hard, so I just it's more stress. I end up forgetting to submit my picks 90 of the time. So just doing one one survivor this year and I'll probably honestly, I'm having a lot of fun, so I'll probably end up doing like four to whatever the maximum is next year, just how you did in circa millions. My strategy would be different. 

48:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have three, three entries in circa millions, I think, seven and three, seven and three, six and four. Not bad, I think, right now. I'm actually not confident off the top of my head but that had a lot of green Bay this past week, which was nice, and Philly on monday night football, which was nice. 

48:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
so I was sweating the primetime games, but I'm a little below you. 

48:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think I have seven, three, six and four, five and five yeah, I think honestly I'm you know, if I get lucky and win a bunch of coin flips, it is. It is what it is. You know, I tried to avoid. Jacksonville was a free play this week. Uh, essentially in circa, because the line was plus three. In reality, uh, on the circa entry they were plus four. I tried to avoid it because my number was somewhere in between there, hoping that they would lose. I lost a free, basically a gimme, on everything. But uh, there's so much strategy that comes in the play. I hate the. I honestly hate the contest. At the end of the day, I, I literally I'll enter them because there's the chance of the big payout, right, but I, I hate the weekly process. Like I'm racking my head and I'm like what is the point of this? Like I could spend three minutes and that's what I did this past week. I just spent three minutes firing off random games. 

49:19 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, fair enough. So, uh, okay, back to back to uh. Joey here. Sorry to uh. 

49:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We asked him about the porter question about um, because poor, yeah, we. This has gone off the rails, but in a good way. I I like when it goes in different directions. But um porter was a guest on circles off before recently tweeted about the value of clv closing line value today not being equal to the value of closing line value five years ago and 10 years ago, and I know that you recently you kind of retweeted that and quote tweeted that on your Twitter. Do you echo that sentiment? First of all, I just want to know your opinion on CLV as a prop better, like, is it something that you're looking at on the regular? And then just your commentary on whether or not you think that the market nowadays is filled with, let's say, um, less respected or less, uh, people who should be less respected than it was five, 10 years ago. 

50:13 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Okay. So so the first comment uh, I think Porter was a little distraught about the FCS games Saturday and because I was texting him during it and uh, I think that's spurred his tweet and and I think we were just he was just saying to me I hope this isn't like share oversharing. He's gonna be like ah, what the hell? But he was basically like I can just figure out what plays are going to go in his accounts that are getting straights by just being on spank odds and seeing the screen light up, and he's like this is stupid. That was his kind of yeah, no shit, though. 

50:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, anyone could do that. Obviously I mean. 

50:58 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I could also see what like Rob's playing in hockey. 

51:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, anyone, but that's not different. Like is that really different than five years ago? Like, the biggest groups are always going to take the screen regardless. 

51:11 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Right. I mean, the thing about CLV is, like you know, in FCS, yeah, it's probably pretty stupid because, like you're not going to get like someone playing the opposite side against you. Like you like if you release, like a like if ed released, like mississippi like I know he's on like mississippi state under 55, let's say this week, if he released over 55 and it moved to 57, 58, someone that's smart is going to play the under right really quickly, probably too like fcs is just not going to happen. So, like I don't. I think that something like that and then like something like props yeah, like I've. 

51:48
Here's my thing with props and this is like goes back to one of the first things that I mentioned is that 80 of what I'm doing right now is pbh sites. So I guess the another small, small part of the pie is I've started to give props to groups because I want more, and I will notice that there's one group I give to and I will give them minus 110, minus 120, whatever it's, minus 170 in five minutes. In five minutes, if if I didn't do that and sometimes I don't do plays to them and I end up having more than if I did give it to them because I just feel like blasting my own accounts as much as I can and I'll end up with more than the 500 they get me. Uh, it doesn't move at all. So, in that regard, what is like? You know, I don't consider CLV important in that case, cause I know why it moved. 

52:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, fair enough. I mean, it's difficult with the props. We don't really need to. 

52:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but so like we've we've talked about this before, um, myself and Johnny it's come up in the last few weeks and there's been some listener questions about it when we did the Q and a as and I think in major markets at least, it's pretty efficient. Like you have a lot of people that are competing to get down big, big dollars and I do think that generally if a line moves too far in the wrong direction, there's going to be someone else out there that is going to hit it back the other way. Um, you know and listen that existence of uprights, right. 

53:24
So, like porter is being critical of adam churnoff, at the end of the day, he doesn't reference him by name, but he references him by the twitter followers and so on and so forth, and you know having a telegram chat and you should just reference him by name or they should have a conversation about it. But, regardless, churnoff will release a play in a in a telegram chat and there's 6 000 people in there that are going to go and bet that play now not. 

53:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
There's some people in there. 

53:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're going to wait and then fade it sure agreed there are but but regardless, the market is going to move instantaneously, probably going to move a point, sometimes more than a, sometimes less if it's around a key number, whatever, but it's going to move. Now, this is not like these aren't plays that are happening at 1259 PM Eastern on Sunday. These are. You know, there's a play that happened while we were recording today that came out. Now the whole market is if somebody wants to play back at that, they have all week to do that. And if someone does have value on the other side, then they're likely gonna do that. 

54:22
So, in my opinion, like to say that, oh, the closing line value is meaningless because there's people betting that, like he doesn't respect Chernoff, he thinks that he shouldn't have market influence, that's, I mean, whatever. That's his own prerogative, he's entitled to that opinion. But he can, he's entitled to that opinion. But to say that, okay, now he's just influencing the closing line, well, there's a lot of time for someone to bet it back. The only scenario I can personally see is if, you know, maybe it moves far enough, but somebody might say, ah, you know, there's like a little bit of value in the other side, but not enough. Where I'm interested in getting involved and, and maybe his early bet influenced the close, but I have to think that that's few and far between. 

55:01 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, like one thing that he has said to me and we've talked about a bunch that I think is one of like the smartest things. And we share plays, like we'll be like hey, it's very rare for props to be on, like everyone is on the same thing in the end of the day, like it's very rare that we're on the opposite side. I don't think that's like ever happened. We might have some slightly different plays, but like, end of the day, you're never on a different side of the same bet, at least in baseball. Uh, that's, that's where I do most of my stuff. But what I think he's saying is that, at least to me, when we've talked about this, is he thinks that people like Pat McAfee and like those people have market influence. And it's like and I don't really see that like I do think at least talking to someone at vandal, like I forgot who, but like he'll say something and 60 000 people play his play, which is insane. 

55:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But sure that might move that's not moving anything like well I mean it doesn't really move because vandal doesn't move on action. That's the issue really. 

56:02 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, and out of those 60,000 people that play it, probably a lot are under $1 or $2. Yeah, yeah. 

56:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And a lot of them have accounts that are profiled elsewhere, that are like we're not going to move this number because this person is not you know. 

56:17 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
The same thing with Jake Paul's new pod when they were giving out some stuff you know, I I know a lot of people were giving that guy uh crap, that marco guy. That video surfaced. I find him entertaining, I'm not gonna lie, which I listen to some of that the marco parlay guy oh, marco parlay, don't know I listened to it. People were giving him shit for the like. Uh, they one guy bought a point. 

56:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You watch this video I did not, but um, perhaps zach could pull it up. We can watch it live on air and critique it, maybe it will. 

56:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It might show up on a tweets segment let's do it now. 

56:57 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is a perfect, perfect chance. So he says like what's the video? Do you yeah? How long is the video? How long is it? It's like a minute or no, very short. Okay, let's watch it on air. 

57:06 - Social Clip 1  (Caller)
Chargers versus Chiefs Minus three and a half the Chiefs over under 54 and a hooker. 

57:14 - Social Clip 2 - Marco Piemonti (Caller)
This might be the most watched game of the year, and I mean that because who doesn't want to see Justin Herbert go against Patrick Mahomes in a divisional matchup? I think this game should get blasted on the over. I think this game should get blasted on the over. I think there'll be 60 points, 70 points scored. But that also makes me think should I take the under? Do these teams know each other now? 

57:33 - Social Clip 1  (Caller)
Like. Is that a trap? You mind on telling us who you like in this game? 

57:36 - Social Clip 2 - Marco Piemonti (Caller)
I think I'm leaning currently at getting an adjusted line at plus seven for the chargers. I really liked the chiefs this weekend. 

57:45 - Social Clip 1  (Caller)
I, like it, bought down to three. You like the Chiefs, get yourself some field goal value at that half point. 

57:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And I do like the. 

57:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Chiefs, right, they did middle it, they middled it, the guys middled it on that. Who got the touchdown? 

58:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Josh Palmer, by the way though that video is hysterical Because it has all of the gambling trop. Though that video is hysterical because it has all of, like, the gambling tropes right, it's like I love the over. Does that mean I should take the under? 

58:10
You know, I write that to us every week, so in our BetStamp telegram every week yeah, johnny just kind of writes like a pure, like square description of why he likes a game, and he always does stuff like that where it's like, oh, everything's pointing to this one side, you got to go the other way, type of thing. But the field goal value comment is the best. I love the Chiefs so much this week that I'm going to buy a half point, which is hilarious. Get that field goal value. 

58:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What did they win? By Three or four? They won by exactly three. 

58:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No three because 27-24. 

58:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Three on that Palmermer touchdown touchdown and yeah the backdoor cover by herbie with the with the broken ribs or whatever. Yeah, no, so crazy. Yeah, that's funny. That's the ultimate. Um, that's the ultimate rookie move is to be like yep, this game is every, this game is for sure going over. Like, how is the total not 60? It doesn't make sense, which makes me think I'm unloading on the under lock it in official pick on. Yeah, like that's literally like what people used to do, that that's so common. But so so sorry, joey, we're cutting you off here. What was your, your thoughts on this? 

59:17 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
you like this, so you're saying you kind of enjoy this I enjoy it because they're not guys who are trying to sell you something that they're not they. They're two guys who like to bet football and one of the guys has a lot of money you know where the money came from, is not betting and I don't think he tries to pretend that and he's just entertaining. He's good energy, he's. You know, he's not trying to come off as this guy who's in the lab and all these things and crunching numbers. It's fun, it's, it's refreshing almost. 

59:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean that's fair enough. I appreciate that as well. 

59:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's obviously a market for this type of content, right? Like we look at what gets consumed in the space, lots of stuff that's more casual, like this gets consumed. Um, for me it's yeah, it's just a matter of whether the hosts are are representing themselves as experts or not, and I think that's where you know, I think of myself when I was in my early twenties right, I was buying tout packages. I was scrolling through Twitter. If I saw someone was like on a five game win streak, I'd be tailing their bets Like you don't know any better. When you're not educated in sports betting, you just don't know. So you might come across some sort of piece of content where you're like, oh yeah, like I'm like, especially if somebody's passing themselves off as an expert, you're like, oh yeah, I'm tailing this person or not. But if you see more casual content where it's like, okay, this guy's talking like me and my buddies talk, you know he doesn't really know anything, then I think it. It mitigates a lot of the damage that can be caused by by producing that content. 

01:00:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But do people still tell those those picks? I believe they do. I believe they do they do because they want the sense of community right, yeah, and that's what we're talking off the bat. 

01:00:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Exactly, they want to cheer with a group of people or they want to cheer against. You know it's. 

01:00:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's why Trent's so big man, like book it Trent. That guy's like honestly I've talked to him multiple times that guy's actually hilarious Like his content is so funny when he's doing like the the key, like the bam it's, so it's literally hilarious. Like I don't see how obviously he's not like he's not gambling with an edge right now or anything like that. Although he is improving. I've seen like I hear some of the stuff he says now and I'm like, okay, he's like he's learning a little, he's learning a little now, but, um, either way, it's like way, it's like it's fun and he's not marketing himself as like I mean I guess he does say like pet the house, pet the farm, mortgage everything, but he's he is joking, like you can tell he's joking obviously you know, he I've actually like you know, one of the first days that he he had like no followers this time, or not many, and and and they introduced this like book at hq, like social media, and I I replied this is the worst business idea I've ever heard. 

01:01:46 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
And and he didn't. I stand by that in some regards, like his business went on, yeah you're right, you're right, joey. 

01:01:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like I'm sorry to cut your off, cut you off, but like book it is trent, like there's no product anymore, it's just trent that. That is what book. So like the business idea was actually not a great one, but Trent has developed himself as a huge creator. 

01:02:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
His initial business was an app where you could post like TikTok videos for sports betting and it would just be on its own app and stuff like that. And then they had like all this sweat games, yeah, but it wasn't actually like built well and obviously like building a separate app platform for something like social media is very, extremely difficult, right. So I don't think that worked. I don't even think they push the app anymore now. They're just like a content co, the surgical stream and his thing, which which does, uh, does pretty, pretty big numbies yeah, I mean, the guy has more followers than drafting sportsbook, I think that's on twitter on tiktok's even bigger yeah and so like, and if you notice, like anyone who's in his like little community who like, does these? 

01:02:51 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
they start using the same like verbiage as he does like oh, this team stole my coins and this, and he is like they just follow what he says. He is like, honestly, the guy is so smart, I have so much respect for him, like, and I was like I've messaged him like dude, I like talk crap, but like you're you, you, you win, you, you are, you made it. I guess like, but is he like a sharp gambler? No, but he, he's a content creator and that needs to be like a distinction in in so many ways, like when, when we grew up I'm not you know there was no content creators, but now it's like, why even bother to try to be a better, just be a content creator. 

01:03:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I somewhat agree with that. Actually, I agree with that in a lot of ways. Like people are always asking me like, oh, rob, how do I, you know, how do I become a sharp better? I want to do this, I want to do that, and it's like, why Like you so many other ways that you can leverage the joey? Have you seen luke's? 

01:03:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
locks. Is that on your guys? Yeah, have you seen on the locks yet or no? 

01:03:50 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
yeah, I saw him. I saw him eat the pepper okay, good. 

01:03:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
What are your thoughts so far on the show? 

01:03:57 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I enjoy the guy's good. I mean, like that's the thing is like it's almost like to be a content creator, is like to be someone who, like, is trying to get accounts, like you're trying to like convince these people that you are this like I don't want to use the word like scam, but like you're trying to convince them, like to be in your cult and like it's probably way harder than like so a guy, jake paul, and like logan paul, obviously, like I'm a big fan to both of them and what they've done and like what I say is like it's no, it's not a mistake. 

01:04:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like also, those guys had to eat shit for a bit before they actually came up, and so did trent, by the way. So trent, I like he followed us early on when he was starting book. It was around the same time we launched bet stamp and obviously, like um you know we're still running the app and doing quite well but in terms of like, his stuff obviously shifted to the content. He was posting that content and, for those who don't know, trent was posting that same content and I don't mean to like this is not an insult trend. If you're watching, it's like trent was eating shit for fucking a year. 

01:05:03
He sucked for a year. Nobody got no followers. He's posting the exact same content he's posting now with like three team parlays, whatever trying to do little sticks posting his plays videos. He didn't take off. They had live moods on um book it and she grew. The following ended up leaving and then Trent was like all right, well, like he used to call himself like ceo, like book it ceo, be like it's yeah, I think that was even his very portnoyish. 

01:05:27
I think that was like his twitter as well, right. And then he switched it to book it with trent and he became like he stepped down as ceo and he just started doing content instead of live moods, and he's like probably a hundred times bigger than her now, not in terms of following, but in terms of like actual poll, right now she's done well for herself too, like she's amassed a very large following. 

01:05:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
She got connected with the volume with colin cower. She did well too. Of course, you know the thing I truly respect about trent, and a lot of people will just rag on that type of content now obviously we've discussed as a nauseam. There's a large market for that type of content. Trent, to me, does not misrepresent himself in any way. He he films videos about him losing bets and being like you know he'll, he'll go, oh and five in a nut. He literally got reverse swept on a money line parlay this week of all favorites. He picked five NFL favorites and they all lost. 

01:06:20
Lots of people would run and hide from that or like people would attack them and they would be like they'd get on the defensive. He just owns it. He's like, yeah, like you know whatever, like it was a horrible day. I'm not. I'm not great and and I I it's very refreshing to see someone take the path of just being real with, with the audience Like he. 

01:06:39
He's I don't want to use the word degenerate because I I don't know trent well enough to say that but he obviously enjoys betting. He obviously is not good at it. He's obviously owning all of that and he's now monetizing through content and I think that's great on I. I think good for him because he could have gone down the path of like doing the infomercials like you know, uh, vegas day, vegas davis of like the cabo airport now when you land land in Mexico you see the biggest advertisement for this guy everywhere could have went down that path and instead he's just like no, I'm just going to put out real content and I genuinely respect that. I know there's people that will disagree with me and everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I think when you produce entertaining content in that fashion, I think it's great. 

01:07:24 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I think this is great for sports betting, I completely agree. And if you're 20, if you're 24, you want to be like a sense of that community and like just tailing them for like 10, like with the boys and those things, like that's what they say, like and it's fun for them and like some of them are going to take, you know, like like any small sample. Like you're going to have one outlier who probably loses too much and chases and does those things, but he would do the same thing if he was following you or following me or following anyone. And at the end of the day, like they especially with COVID like it is like taking away so much sense of community, to like be in that little bucket community, like these kids love it and like you see the videos of him, like at stadiums being recognized, like the guy is like a branding genius, like david vegas dave's a branding genius but but he does it in a different way, which I I completely disrespect, like obviously I respect. 

01:08:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh, you're saying you disrespect vegas davis making a killing. 

01:08:24
Let's be real here. Yes, he, he, but he's. He knows he is intentionally misleading people like. He is a scam artist through and through. He knows what he's doing. He knows he's scamming people and he is. He is content to make his money that way, which I'm sure there were people there's a lot of people out there that if they could be in vegas dave's shoes, they would do the exact same thing. I'm personally not one of those people. So I, you know I can't, but he's just a like, he's a piece of garbage human being to do what he's doing, whereas, like anyone who wants to compare trent to that, there's not even a comparison. It's like. You know that's. One person is is just trying to produce entertaining content and doing it in a way to build a sense of community and not misrepresenting himself. The other is flat out just running a fucking scheme where you know he's preying on people who don't know any better Time out for a sec. 

01:09:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you guys haven't checked out Luke's locks, actually check it out. This is not supposed to be a mineral advertisement. It is one of the funniest shows. Basically, what it is is um, it's luke's locks, he's got a locker and um, the way it works is luke, our guy. 

01:09:28
He makes a pick every monday and thursday for the primetime football games on thursday and monday football. He puts something at stake every week. Week one it was if I lose this, I gotta mow the the lawn. At the office there's a big lawn, so he's gonna waste his time going out mowing the lawn. He won the pick. So if he wins the pick, he gets some cash and he doesn't have to do his challenge. Week two he bet that if he lost it to wax his leg. He lost his pick, got a full leg wax like full, full start. Incredible content. Go watch the videos. Funny. We set third pick. He did. 

01:10:02
If he loses, yes, to eat a ghost pepper, did it? Obviously we take side bets on the stuff as well. Myself I was in a side bet like will he cry when he loses? He has to eat a ghost pepper, did it? Obviously we take side bets on the stuff as well. Um, myself, I was in a side bet like will he cry? When he got the wax didn't cry, I cashed out on that. Um also, you know some some other stuff we had. And then, um, for his recent pick monday, he risked if he loses he's gonna get his ear pierced. Is he going too far right now for this low in the show, for this? 

01:10:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
like luke, sweet two man settle down buddy like the earpiece like thank god he won. 

01:10:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like he, he risked it on an eagle's bet too. It wasn't like they were two and a half point favorites. It wasn't like he was betting this on like a minus a thousand the the funny thing about it is we. 

01:10:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
We filmed demos to this prior to the season, so we ran like a. They never saw the airwaves. But we saw, uh, pre-season luke's locks right, and he was doing stuff like okay, like I'm gonna risk my headphones right, which is valuable to him because he's always wearing his headphones. He he had a flight that week and he couldn't take his headphones with him because he lost the pick and he was miserable or whatever. Then you know one one of the episodes is like I'm gonna risk. He put his coffee cup in there. He's like I won't drink coffee for this week, which he's reliant on coffee as well. So, like those are those. But now it's like week two of the season, I'm gonna. He's walking around the office like yeah, I know, if he hates the toronto maple leafs, yeah, you know, I think I'm gonna do like if I lose this week, I'm gonna get a maple leafs tattoo or what I'm like what are? You doing? 

01:11:23
yeah, I'm like, but it's week three you're gonna have to up you up this every week. So we're gonna we're gonna try to scale it back a little bit and and, by the way, it should be noted for those out there, like anyone who wants to think like, oh, they're forcing this guy to do this, he's the one recommending all these things. We're trying to scale it back and being like luke no, it's so. We had to talk him out of some stuff. 

01:11:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We'll eventually do that one that we talked him out of. If he still wants to do it, If he's pushing for it, we'll do it, but this show is actually going to be huge. Luke is a character the funniest guy. Everyone who watches it loves this show. Check it out. You can find it on the BetStamp Instagram and the BetStamp TikTok or on BetStamp Twitter HammerHQ. At the hammer hq on twitter give it a follow um hilarious. We gotta plug it like that actually is the funniest show we have right now. 

01:12:12 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
It's, it's, it's great, it's a minute my freshman dorm there was a kid who needed money to pay for his education and he would do anything for five bucks. And every week everyone was trying to come up with new things to do and we'd all pitch in five bucks and you would do it and it got by like week four. It was just too insane. We were like this is let's just all give him five bucks. 

01:12:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like like we don't actually want to see you do this stuff anymore. 

01:12:37 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Like just have the five dollars, yeah uh he chugged a bottle of soy sauce this big and then he mixed it with like nacho cheese sauce and it was like he was in the bathroom for like a day or two straight. We were like this is messed up, this. This guy made 25 dollars to literally like gets and then he ate live goldfish. It was like okay, this is like animal cruelty. 

01:12:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like it was bad uh, I had, so that's. I knew someone who did a very similar bet to eat a live goldfish for 500 bucks, and they ended up getting a tapeworm from it. Yeah, this guy got sick too, Lost like 30 pounds, had to get hospitalized for 500 bucks. I was not a part of that bet. Nobody accused me of anything. I heard this. This was a fellow coworker of mine when I was back at the score who told the story to everybody. But just in case. 

01:13:22
I don't want to get like people coming out. Yeah, it's gross, like it's actually disgusting. Yeah, for for nothing. This guy's like a software developer who's making like 150k a year and then it takes like a 500 bet to eat a goldfish yeah that's ridiculous. 

01:13:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, joey, we're gonna close off here. Thanks so much for the time. Uh, it's it's been. Uh, it's been a while. It's a longer episode. Thank you very much. We appreciate you coming on. Our closing question is one that we ask to every guest, and the question is if you could go back just five measly years. You mentioned you're 37. So when you're 32 years old and talk to that, sorry, 36. So if you could go back to the 31 year old version of yourself, what piece of advice would you give them? 

01:14:03 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Are we talking life or? 

01:14:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
betting either or or or both. Whatever you want to provide, drop some knowledge so 31. 

01:14:11 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I've met my wife around that time. So I have to say I would say to myself, you should marry her, in case she decides to listen. There's no way she listens to the end though, but maybe her dad will. So I would say lock, put a ring on it, uh. And then you know, honestly, like man, it's so hard five years is a long time like you don't realize it. 

01:14:33
Like you know, we had never heard of like I hate to like be nostalgic, but like you never know what's gonna come, like coronavirus came, I guess. Like I guess I'll tie in betting. Like you know, uncertainty is going to create like the biggest opportunities for you. So, like you know, just learn every day, uh, to become like a, you know, smarter. Listen to everyone and, uh, you know, just do your best. 

01:14:58
You know, like, in terms of like end of MLB season, like there's going to be great opportunities with like crazy lineups in the last. Uh, you know, weeks like this guy's usually bats eighth and he's going to bat first, you know like go rush and click over 0.5 bases minus 120 when it's. You know that's what's set when he usually bats eighth or ninth. So, like uncertainty is going to create, you know good opportunities in life and good opportunities in betting, and I guess the last thing I will say is I think at 31,. I thought, oh, I want to be betting forever. You know this is great. And I think at 36, I can't wait to get out. So I will announce this to you guys If I do win Circus Survivor, I'm out Michael Jordan style 6 million and I'm done. Never going to place a bet again in my life. 

01:15:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, but if you're picking the chalk every week you're going to split with like 400 people. So I mean you're not going to be able to get out on that. 

01:15:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How much do you have to win to get out in Circa Survivor? 

01:15:58 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
6 million. I thought you know I'm going to sue my proxy because he told me if I win I get $6 million. 

01:16:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, technically, if you're the solo winner, you get $6 million. 

01:16:09 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I just assumed that everyone who wins gets $6 million. I thought they're crushing it over there at Circa. Everyone talks about how great it is and I can't believe how nice this pool is. 

01:16:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They did have an overlay in the Circa millions, but you're not in that contest. 

01:16:24 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, I'm not in that contest. 

01:16:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, not in that, next year maybe but if you win the circa millions, you do actually win the prize, correct, but? But like there's a surprise, but anyways so how much? 

01:16:34 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
how much would it take to get out? Yeah I think if I split it, maybe, but I don't know how much it would be after taxes. If it's like one four, I'm probably not out okay, you seem. 

01:16:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
you seem like a perfect guy to ask. Also, the billion dollar flip. If you got the you listened to previous episodes, obviously, here. So if you had a flip of a coin, fair coin, for a billion dollars, if you win or lose, or zero when it, when it's a billion, lose it zero, what's your bio Like? How much are you accepting to buy out there then? 

01:17:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
A billion 1 billion with a B. Yeah, a billion 1 billion with a. 

01:17:04 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
B yeah, how much would it cost me to not? And I can, I can, I can choose a number and I can say okay for for this much money, I forego the opportunity to flip a coin for a billion. 

01:17:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So obviously 500 million, zero EV. 

01:17:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, 500 million is the EV, but I would take. 

01:17:23 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I would take 80 million 80 million, 80. 

01:17:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So I would take 80 million 80 million. 

01:17:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So here's my thing. I bet I could get you down to 10. 

01:17:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, no Time out for a second here, Joey. So you would take 80 million. What's your lowest possible amount that you're taking? 

01:17:36 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, I think 80 million is about-. 

01:17:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So you're not taking 79 million. 

01:17:40 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I don't know. I'd have to think about it. You know, here's the thing. This is funny because a really rich person asked me recently how much money do you consider, is he? It was a completely serious question too. He goes how much money do you consider someone who's rich? And I said and then obviously it's different in la than everywhere else. And I said because he said, and I said I think someone who has five to 10 million, and he goes. 

01:18:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I wasn't even thinking over a hundred, so I see like I would think of it, in terms of not the actual dollar amount but the percentile. But what can you buy? 

01:18:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
with 5 million. That what? How is your life different with 5 million versus, like, just grinding out a paycheck? It's not that much different. 

01:18:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It is different because, like someone riding out a paycheck, I'm so sorry, sorry, I'm not talking about grinding out a paycheck. 

01:18:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm talking about Joey specifically. So, like you right now, you're not grinding out a paycheck, but you're grinding edges. You obviously have money. You have enough money that you're not and again, maybe I'm generalizing here but enough money where you're. You're definitely not struggling for your meals. You're not worried about hey, if I have kids, I'm not gonna be able to put them through school, stuff like that. So how is your life different if you get an extra 5 million versus what you have now? And by the way, I'm very clear when I say this like, if you have no money and you are struggling to pay rent, then like 1 million, that to 1 million is the biggest jump you're going to have, for sure, but from you to an additional five, is that a big jump in your life, you think? 

01:19:15 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, I mean I would. Just I would try to get as much real estate as I can and just live the exact same life. 

01:19:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
but so there you go. So you're still living the same life, but so it's. 

01:19:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
you just have an investment opportunity that you wouldn't have had with less essentially. 

01:19:24 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, but like fair enough, but like when you're saying you're talking, you're talking about, you're talking about circus survivor. 

01:19:31 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah, exactly. I mean like here's the thing here's the thing is like if I can't make money I can't retire with. With winning circus survivor 3 million split Right. 

01:19:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'd have to find a way to invest that and have some like cashflow, I guess, or something like that. 

01:19:46 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
But but if I can't figure, if I can't figure out like a way to make money, then then yeah, I'd have to do something for money again, like I would think, like you know, maybe I do like content or something like you know, like you don't have to like, just do like the 24 7 betting thing. If I, if I got offered the billion dollar flip. 

01:20:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm flipping the coin. If I win, sunset sailing. If I lose, I'm gonna be a speaker at high schools about how I had a chance to win a billion dollars and I flipped the coin what if I'm gonna be a? Speaker for like gamblers and not for like a gambling. 

01:20:19 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Uh hotline here's, here's a number. At what? Because I I say this about really rich people if you have a certain amount of money, I think you have the like not the ability, but like the responsibility to change the world. A billion dollars, you have life changing, like world changing money, like, whether it's, you know, climate change or whatever, like, at what number are you a world changer? Basically, yeah, I know that's what I said as well. Oh, you said number, are you a world changer, basically? 

01:20:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, no, that's what I said as well. Oh, you said 80 mil is a world changer. 

01:20:50 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I think at 80 million you're a world changer 80 mil. 

01:20:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're barely buying a mansion yacht and a jet. No the world. No, I'm kidding. That was just a joke 80 million 80 million You're making. 

01:21:02 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
you're making like four or 5 million a year by interest. 

01:21:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's true. Yeah, no, fair enough. Obviously 80, you can do some serious damage on the investment front, so I agree with that. I mean, yeah, I still don't actually know what I would take. I feel like it changes every day. 

01:21:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So, like, my number changes depending on whether or not my wife knows that I have this opportunity available to me, Because if I said no, like I'm not taking 10 million, she would just stab me on the spot and be like, yeah, I'll take the 10 million you can, you know, whatever, like forget this guy. So, like my, my personal risk tolerance is much higher. So I take, you know, a larger amount, but and I assume that you're in a position, obviously being a married man, where you know if it's you versus I don't I don't want to make assumptions, Actually I shouldn't make assumptions, but yeah, there's, there's more to it than just myself as well, which complicates the matter even more. 

01:21:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, fair enough. I mean, I guess it's nice to not be married, this is. 

01:21:59 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
This is an individual thing. Like it's like you got to tell your wife like I'm making this choice, like yeah, but like yeah, I guess I guess you're right. 

01:22:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like it is kind of it's kind of like what, how do you, how do you feel, zach? Like isn't it kind of nice to not be married? You don't have to like, you don't have to like run a decision through like another person, like that I'm actually being serious here like it's kind of like I didn't, I don't realize it because I've never been married. I'm a little younger than you, but it's crazy, I think. 

01:22:26 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
I think here here's some here's life, some life advice, right. 

01:22:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Be careful your father-in-law might be might listen to the end of this. 

01:22:34 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
He's my number one fan. Now you find someone. You find someone that you're going to have the same decision as yeah. Fair enough. 

01:22:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's some knowledge. I didn't. 

01:22:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I didn't find that person. 

01:22:46 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
If you, if you're going to, if you're going to disagree about like the things, like that, it's just maybe not going to be as smooth as that's what I'm going to transition to I'm going to transition to a relationship expert. 

01:23:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
My father-in-law does not listen does not listen to this show, so I did not find that person. That's not to say I'm not happily married I am but definitely there are some disagreements on the monetary front on several occasions. 

01:23:15 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Several, so he thinks that the fake name is the funniest thing in the world and he has a wedding present because I tweeted the night I proposed to my wife Big announcement coming up later tonight. Stay tuned Twitter fam. And he got the tweet framed. It's sitting in our hand. I'll show you. And he put it in his gift. 

01:23:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's unreal, yeah, that's actually a pretty great gift Like. It's more like of a sentimental value thing. I'm a big fan of those gifts. Oh, big announcement. One quote, tweet, tweet, one like oh, you got it early, you got it early wow 29 you screenshot early that's hilarious. 

01:23:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That is a good one good on him okay, we'll wrap up here. Joey, thanks so much for your time. It was a pleasure to get a chance to meet you. We never met before. It's awesome, awesome chatting with you. Thank you very much for the time. Uh, and then me personally, I don't have twitter. I do have a burner. I do have a burner. I I keep it fully anonymous. What do you? 

01:24:14 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
uh. So I was gonna say what do you do when you go to the bathroom? 

01:24:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
no, no, no, listen, listen, I'm not saying I don't read twitter, I just have a very uh yeah, so I mean I guess I'll get into it. Like people have asked me this for so long Like why don't you have Twitter? Like I don't post on social media. I I hate posting. I have an Instagram as well. I do not. I have not posted in maybe like five years. I do not want to post, I hate posting and other people knowing about my stuff and like what I'm doing. Um, it has nothing to do with the fact that like I don't like I don't have the time for it, I don't have this. Like I don't want to deal with like comments on my posts and like it's fine If I want to like reach out to someone. Obviously, like that is where it's a little bit of a stunt like to be able to fire a Twitter message or something like that. I do it through a burner. Now that we have the BetStamp account, if I need to, can we talk? 

01:25:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
on whatever I mean. Anyone can follow Johnny on LinkedIn at any time as well. He's big on his LinkedIn account. 

01:25:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, here's another thing. No, no, I'm not going to be big on LinkedIn, just like we obviously do have the business like a lot of people looking for jobs, stuff like that. I went to business school, worked like I've been since. Man, you know how many messages I get on LinkedIn. It's actually insane, like I least, like really, yeah, like I have it uh, certified, so like I don't read all the messages, it like it sends me a message request and I have to like accept them, but I'm at least minimum get like 15 messages a day on linkedin from like rob, do you have linkedin? 

01:25:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
uh, I do, yeah, I, I listen now, like my linkedin is. 

01:25:38
Has become a disaster zone of recruit like recruiters, right whether they're recruiting me, like want to recruit me to do other stuff, or whether they want to recruit people to bet stamps. So it's not the most useful piece of social media for me, because I find every time I log into LinkedIn, I spend just half an hour filtering out the fluff. But I, I'm, I'm on, I'm on every social. It's just a matter of whether or not I use it regularly or not, and I'm I'm a Twitter addict. 

01:26:06 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
The more. 

01:26:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I am on Tik TOK yeah. 

01:26:10 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Oh my gosh. 

01:26:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The more you put yourself out there, the easier it is to grow and get opportunities. 

01:26:14
I will say that, like not having a Twitter, like obviously I could elipse probably a small following, even just from this podcast like our podcast account has a couple thousand followers, but it's just like Rob Rob has gotten so many opportunities from just being big on Twitter and for him being able to raise his thoughts and other people you know, essentially being like, yeah, this guy's a cool guy or this guy's winning better, this guy has all this stuff and, um, obviously, like I don't get that kind of uh opportunity just not being on Twitter, but like I'm okay to offset, like I can't, I can't have everything, everything and I really just don't want to put the time into running like a full-on good social media, so I've honestly just too much stuff going on to be able to up. It almost is a full-time job. Think about what you do with your twitter, man. Like you got to keep that active almost on the daily at a minimum, like retweeting, quote tweeting, sending messages, responding like well, it is the amount of consumption on social media day. 

01:27:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I, if I checked, like my, my phone analytics or whatever, there's lots of apps that tell you how long you spend on each app. I don't even want to look at my Twitter because, then I'll start adding up the amount I spend over a week a month a year. I am very like that's my habit. I pick up my phone, the first thing I do is unlock it and I open Twitter and refresh and I mean that's just my natural first behavior. 

01:27:28 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
You have. If you're I mean if you're betting you have to like. You almost need Twitter because of the like, beat writers and the injury. 

01:27:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, notifications. 

01:27:38 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Yeah. 

01:27:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Just notice for sure. And that's. 

01:27:40 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
That's the thing. I created a Twitter for like a few days of just those, and I got bored and I was like I'm going back on mine, uh but, yeah, no, I mean, you need Twitter and as as addicting as it is, but I do have like one rule I do sleep my phone in like a complete. My phone is in a completely separate area than where I sleep that's not a bad idea, because I I tech. 

01:28:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I am on my phone in bed pretty regularly and then I have trouble falling asleep, so I might actually take that up, try it. 

01:28:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If I had like someone, if I had someone to manage my social media, then I would get on social media If I had like someone to manage it for me. 

01:28:14 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
but I'm sure I'm so far. Do you realize, if you said that in the episode you will get at least 20 messages on LinkedIn from people to do it? 

01:28:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Zach, you're going to have to cut that out. 

01:28:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, if someone will manage my social for me in a sense of like keep it. I mean honestly, like I'd love to have a. This is completely unpractical. People are going to be like, wow, this kid's delusional. But if I'd like someone just like full-time videographer, follow me around all day, everything. I did photos whatever, whatever. 

01:28:51
And then they manage the social like a, like a straight up celebrity, like a logan paul type guy, then yeah, I'd love to get social like you manage it, make it, so you make it. I'll keep it in like, yeah, I'd love, I'd love that like hire a full-time videographer and just document my whole life. But I'm not to that point yet no videographer, let's bet I say over. 

01:29:03 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Under 17 messages get sent to you. 

01:29:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll say over well, for what from just this clip going out like I don't know just? 

01:29:11 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
this clip. I think you will get over 17 requests to do your twitter for people to manage my twitter. 

01:29:17 - Social Clip 1  (Caller)
Okay, yes, all right, we will see if you want to, if you want to contact me. 

01:29:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You can contact me on linkedin. You can contact me on this, or you can contact me on the circles off Twitter account. Dm. That one Cause, that one I have access to on my phone. 

01:29:32 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
If it's under 17, do I have to do anything? 

01:29:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let's do like drinks at bed bash three or something like that. 

01:29:38 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Okay. 

01:29:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Sure, I mean, it isn't all all you can drink event, but like you're done, done deal. 

01:29:46 - Joey Isaks (Guest)
Okay, I was going to. I was going to get a tattoo. 

01:29:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So thank you to Joey Isaacs, thank you to our producer, zach Phillips. Thank you, johnny. This has been a monumental episode, number 69 of circles off. Please, if you're watching on YouTube, hit that subscribe button, hit that like button. Same thing on every other podcast platform Spotify, apple music.