00:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
On this week's episode of Circles Off. We're going to preview the World Putting League event that I am personally playing in this week. Looking forward to it. Also, some TikTok reactions. There's a lot of content out there right now but we're not so in tune with what's going on on TikTok. A lot of people have been sending me a bunch of videos. We're going to react to those for the first time. All that and more on this week's circles off. Come on, let's go. Welcome to circles off, episode number 99, right here on the circles off youtube channel and part of the hammer betting network. 

00:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I am Rob Pizzola, joined by johnny from bet stamp what's going on 99 we got the great one, wayne g, certified legend, and the guy's also a great guy. 

00:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's the one that's going to obviously come to everybody's mind. You can't even say anyone else, but you actually can. Here's why there are some amazing 99s jj watt, jj watt. Aaron donald, those guys aren't even close. Warren sap war 90. Aaron judge 99. 

01:03 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
These guys aren't even close to Wayno Manny. 

01:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Ramirez wore 99. And, of course, taco Fall. 

01:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Taco Fall, taco Fall Wow. 

01:10 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Those guys aren't even close to Wayno. Also, I just got to throw out the best stat of all time, best fact ever. You pull this one out if Wayne Gretzky never scored a goal in the NHL he would still lead the nhl in points. 

01:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's, it's absurd. It's absurd. I've told this before, but my father used to tell me growing up, fantasy hockey. When they first started playing in like the 80s, they just took wayne gretzky out of the draft pool because, whoever drafted him just automatically won the pool for the first couple years. So like, no, no, no. This like, even if you did a snake style draft doesn't matter, right, like you had such a huge, monumental advantage if you took Wayne Gretzky. 

01:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Who was his brother Brent? 

01:50 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah. 

01:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Brent Gretzky. That's the biggest. That's the highest-scoring brother duo in NHL history. 

01:54 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, how many goals did his brother score, I think, maybe zero, no. 

01:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
One One. 

01:59 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
One goal Well. 

02:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, listen, that's a milestone, man Like I'm not going to mock somebody who scored in the NHL. 

02:05
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02:33
Big week coming up for me. We're recording this. On Monday. I'm flying out Tuesday morning. It's happening 7 am to Myrtle Beach. No direct flights from Toronto to Myrtle Beach. It's a little upsetting, but whatever it is what it is. Got my transfer Philadelphia because I will be participating in a World Putting League event on Thursday April 20th at the Hawaiian Rumble in North Myrtle beach. I got invited, as did Jeff Feinberg of the hammer betting network and a friend of the program. We had him on during the super bowl prop special on forward progress, andy Molitor and we are playing as a threesome together 10 41 AM tea time and for everyone listening by this incredible news for everyone listening as a threesome Together 10.41am Tea time, and For everyone listening by this incredible news For everyone listening World putting league. 

03:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You can bet on the world putting league. As we know, great news is there is going to be and we've heard when there's going to be a few Sports books In the space, not just one. There's going to be a few sports books that are all going to be posting odds for the World Putting League. We've got one that's an early market setter that's already posted up the odds. So, without reference, what we're going to do today is we're actually going to break down some of the odds that are on here and this episode, zach, when will this come out? 

04:02 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Tomorrow. We'll put it out as early as possible, so we'll try to get this out on wednesday, so you'll have a full day tuesday man oh, sorry, sorry, I'm gonna try to grind. 

04:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This zach is grinding hard watching nhl playoffs. 

04:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Editing podcast yeah, we will try to get this out on tuesday for everybody and then you'll have two days actually before rob tees off at a brisk 10, 45 am Eastern time on Thursday April 20th Thursday April 20th. So can't wait for that. We're going to break down some odds here. First starters, before I say anything, what is Rob Pizzola to miss the cut? I want everyone to take a guess. In your head, in your head right now, we'll give five seconds. Guess it. 

04:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now let's explain this really quickly 36 golfers 36 are in this tournament 36 putters six are amateurs. So you have 30 professionals who play on the world putting league. For anyone who watched the original stream that I did a couple months ago, there was a lot of people that watched that. A lot of people were interested. This field is supposed to be better than that field overall. You got better pro and listen, I'm not doing this like as excuses or whatever, but I've been told that this is a better field. So you got 30 pros, six amateurs, 36 in total play one round in the morning. The top 24 make the cut, so one third of the field. 

05:27
So I would have to bottom 12 yeah I would have to beat six pros to seven pros to make the cut and the rest of the amateurs, yes, okay. 

05:38 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So with that, with that in mind, gonna have everyone try to price that out in their mind Pozzola makes, slash, misses cut. And then, furthermore, we're going to price this one out as well the combo of the group Pozzola, mulliter, feinberg, to make the cut, slash, miss the cut. So now that everyone has the guesses in their head. 

06:00 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Wait, wait, wait. Should we get some info from Rob on some on some stuff before we tell them what the numbers, so that they can continue to build some stuff? Or should we just release it now and then get into the info? 

06:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
we could do it either way. Like I'm gonna be honest with you guys, I'm nervous as shit for this. Like this seemed like a great idea in principle in my head, but like as we get closer to the day, they're really like there is upside Because I could make the cut. Do I think I'm? 

06:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
going to make the cut. You could win the whole damn thing. 

06:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I could win the whole. I'm actually eligible for the grand prize as well, but we're doing a live watch along on Hammer HQ. I already know what's going to go down on that live watch along, like it's no secret that there's I'm going to. It's essentially going to be a Rob Pizzola roast. Let's call it out for what it is, which I'm fine with, but it's one of those things where it's like it's a professional tour but and the expectation is for me not to make the cut but it still feels like it will be a massive disappointment if I just go and play the one round. You know what I'm saying. 

07:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, no, you got to make the cut. 

07:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not like that's. I've put the pressure on myself. And when I say put the pressure on myself, I haven't practiced any putting yet. In fact, I've been going to like golf simulators for pretty much since my shoulders recovered and I turned the putting off, so I literally have not been putting. I just been trying to work on my actual golf game. I'm actually are you gonna play the course before I plan on it. So I'm flying in a day before andy molliter because I want an edge on andy molliter and I think the odds are reflecting that in the early going here. But is feinberg going with? 

07:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
so we'll give the three ball for the group. For those of you who don't know what a three ball is, basically it's who wins of the three and it's dead heat rules for a push and you can't like, yeah, that's it basically. Jeff Feinberg, favored, plus 150. Rob Pizzola plus 75. Andy Mulliter plus 200. Sportsbook taking a nice brisk vig, which is okay. 

08:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's going to happen on the World Putting League, that's for sure Happen on anything. 

08:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So Feinberg slight favorite over Pizzola, who is a slight favorite over Andy Muller. However, inside info just came through right now Muller will not be practicing the course. 

08:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know that. 

08:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I think he shoots up to a major dog after that. 

08:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Thursday is tee-off, 1041 AM. Me and Feinberg are flying in together, me and Jeff are flying in together and we'll be there Tuesday afternoon. Now I want to watch the Leafs play on Tuesday night, so I'm not putting on Tuesday night. So it's basically like am I going to putt during the day on Tuesday? I want to. I'd like to get out to the course, see what it's all about. 

08:44
You know, people were telling me that the second day I did the last live stream. The first day I did it solo. Right, I'm watching some of these guys miss like four foot putts. I'm like, bro, like you're a professional putter, you can't make a four foot putt. Then I'm going to the next night and I had another guy who's played on the tour with me and he's like, oh, you don't know the break. Like you're just watching, it looks like a four foot putt. But like every single one of the putts at this course has some sort of break and it's hard to read because they put in new turf and it's. I'm like, okay, you know what? Maybe that makes a little bit more sense. So I want to see this for myself Also. Laugh at me right now, but I don't want to risk my actual putter being lost. 

09:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're not bringing your putter. 

09:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm using, of course, the house putter and I really want to do it this way. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. That does not seem like a good move Now. 

09:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
now wait a second here. I just downgraded Andy Mulliter. I may make Jeff Feinberg minus 300 after this decision. 

09:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I'm going to give everyone all the information that they need. Jeff Feinberg is also not bringing his putter for the exact same reason. So me and Jeff have mutually agreed as pals to say you know what we're going to pack a carrier. He's bringing his own putter. He has not he has not told me for sure yet, but we've been discussing. He's like bring this for your putter. 

10:17
Imagine I actually thought of getting a custom made hammer putter but a monitor has not committed to whether or not he's going to or not, we don't know but he said he bought a new putter recently and it hasn't helped his game is what he told me. So he's like I don't know how much I would be hurt by a house putter. Here's why I actually like this. Okay, I watched the original roll putting league stream Live watch along and what I noticed at this course last time, Hawaiian Rumble is people get themselves into very awkward positions and they miss those putts all the time because they're standing and like they can barely. There's like a tree that they got to hit around. Whatever People get themselves into awkward positions, there's one putter on tour that hits both ways the ambidextrous lefty righty putter olivia prokopova. 

11:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
She's the favorite for the event technically does the guy with the shoe count as an ambidextrous, because he does hit side shoe and front shoe. 

11:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I guess we would I guess we could nico, who I believe has paired with me in the odds market and a huge favorite over me as well. 

11:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Anyways, a guy literally put putts with a metal plate attached to his shoe. Yep Is currently going off at minus 300 head to head over. 

11:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Rob, but this is so like this is my. I think the importance of knowing the course, like I don't want to make excuses, but I think the importance of knowing the course means a lot. Like we grew up in the same area for the most part. There's one mini golf course in our area that's open year round Putting edge, putting edge, glow in the dark. If you play that course enough, you start to know like the real secrets of every hole and I'll take like I wouldn't take you to school there because you know the same stuff as me. You want to go to putting edge for a practice round? I'm flying out tomorrow morning. 

12:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Let's go right now. It's after this podcast. I have so much to do. This guy doesn't even want to practice. Man Feinberg minus 300. 

12:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I've played golf actual golf with Feinberg before. He's a few strokes better than me and he's a good putter, so like. But anyways, the double-sided putter. I grew up. I played hockey left-handed. When I started golf I started golfing left-handed but after a while I got moved to righty and I played better righty so I stuck righty Baseball. I'm a switch hitter left right, so I can. I can do this. And if I go to a mini golf course, if I go to putting edge and I use a house putter, sometimes I will putt leftter, sometimes I will putt left, sometimes I will putt right. I think I do them both equally good and I think that's an advantage. Like there's a hole here that's got like a cave and these people are all right-handed putters and they're like jammed up against the like. They can't even. They can't even putt on that hole. Just turn around and putt the other way. I can do that at least, and I can do it with precision. So I don't think I'm at an inherent disadvantage with with that mallet disgustingly bad I'll get used to. 

13:11
I'll play a couple rounds. Maybe it's a big mistake. Okay, listen out this guy's gonna be like rory mackaroy, playing 81 holes at the masters and then you blow five over and miscut it could be a big mistake, but, honestly, when you're already like not a professional putter, what is the difference between using your actual putter and just a massive difference. 

13:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It cannot be come on yes, if I go to golf around. Yeah, okay, first off, I do you use a mallet putter or a blade putter? I use a blade. Okay, so you're using a blade putter. Yeah, you're going to another. I guess you could call that a blade putter. 

13:50 - Clip 1 (Caller)
It's a blade, yeah Piece of metal that's straight in either way. 

13:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, I use a mallet putter. Yeah, for me to switch to a blade putter. It's completely different. 

14:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The biggest thing for me. I can get used to it over a year. I'm not that good, but like it's gonna. It's gonna have a serious negative impact. The biggest challenge for me is that when you, when you actually golf and you hit the green, you get to go mark your ball and on on each of my balls I draw a line with a marker on it and I line up my putts right and I'm very good at being able to hit a putt straight on my line. I'm very confident in my ability to do that. Like I'm not the best putt reader in the world or whatever you know, my speed is not like tour level but like I can hit on a line where I start the ball, like that's where it's going to go. You're playing in these mini golf tournaments. You're using like a solid colored ball, no markings on them. They provide the ball. 

14:46 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Like it's completely different. This guy's going glow-in-the-dark ball and a house butter. It is a silver ball, right I? I believe it's silver. 

14:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I believe it's silver, but I'm just trying to give people the the entirety. I think me and jeff have an advantage flying in a day early because we have time, we have the option to play it. But like we might just go play actual golf is the problem. 

15:07 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like we might just get there and be like yeah, we're in myrtle beach to go for a regular round yeah, we're like, we're staying, like there's a peak die course right behind us. 

15:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Can't remember what it's called, but it's like you know, might as well play that. 

15:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, I'm gonna run through some of the odds here. Um, just, I'll go with the the pazola specials here. So we got obviously the three ball feinberg, pazola, mulleter. We've got the head-to-head nico, mano, aka, aka the shoot, the guy who putts with the plate on his shoe not only putts, he plays full golf rounds. 

15:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know, have you seen this before? That that's made up there. That plate on his foot is. 

15:44 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He changes it is a driver plate and he kicks for his drive. Yes, how far does it go? 

15:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
well, I don't know. I'm sure he's not playing like the the golden gold tees no, that's not right. 

15:53 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But he does play. That's not. No, that's not even a thing I did. I saw it on youtube. That can't be no way all right. Well, that guy's minus 300 over pizzola head to head rob plus 200. Um, honestly, here's the, here's the big one, and we got to get some more props up. I would love to see a prop, for example, pozzola, and you can call whatever you want. 

16:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Pozzola missed three footer, three foot putt, or there's no, uh, there's no foot measurement, so you'd have, like we'd have, to figure out, because there's no. 

16:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So even like pozzola quad bogey, Pozzola triple bogey that yes, we should have odds for all those Feinberg, feinberg birdie. Yeah, pozzola ace, I'd love to see. 

16:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
How much handle do you guys? Do you think they're actually going to? Do you think they want to open up a prop market of a thousand props? 

16:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How much this has to be this has to be the test tournament, right to see what the handle is, and then, if, if it is, they expand it like no, no, this is probably the last tournament. 

16:49 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Once rob misses, once they all miss the cut, rob literally goes like, yeah, you're coming back, buddy I'm telling you, I'm opening an account at this place so I can bet this, so that I have stuff during the stream. 

16:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I already connected the world putting league with pinnacle as well, so like they're gonna get odds up for next tournament as well, I would love that. 

17:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I would love that. Yeah, we also have uh, either. So any of pazola, feinberg or mulleter to make the cut, and that would be no minus 500. So it's basically minus five. They're pricing minus 500 for either of you three to be, so for you three to be in the bottom 12, each of you three honestly seems like a good bet I don't even know man. There's a guy that puts his shoe and he's minus 300 over you. That guy has I like I. That guy is also minus 300 to miss the cut. 

17:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm gonna pull that guy and he's minus 300 over you I'm gonna pull his previous score no listen. 

17:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
These odds, by the way, are no, in no way efficient. I'm looking at like. 

17:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh yeah. 

17:46 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This is just somebody Initial posted. These are going to get hammered into place, potentially by me when I fade Pizzola all over the place. 

17:52 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I'm going to do everything I can to get this up as early as possible somewhere, because in the first time that I did this wait is greg newport, the newport putter I. 

18:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't think greg newport is what is one of the good putters like. 

18:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Is he the scotty cameron newport putter? 

18:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know if he uses a new? I don't, I don't know. 

18:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Imagine he's that good of a putter that they named the Scotty Cameron Newport. 

18:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Greg Newport is solid, Like okay, I remember there was Olivia Prokopova who had a bad tournament last time around. There's Matt McCaslin. 

18:34 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's the favorite now. 

18:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
McCaslin is like consistent salt, like the par here is 36, two on every hole. Mccaslin was shooting like regular 31, 32. Newportport solid. Joey Gray Beal is my guy, the claw he's. He's my mentor. Like I'm, I'm going to try to meet up with Gray Beal. Yeah, he uses the claw grip. Yeah, the only one that uses a claw grip, and Gary Hester won the last tournament but I don't like. Gary Hester, purely because he's a Packers fan. 

19:02 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Pizzola is not in the outright odds. If you want to bet Pizzola to win a tournament, unfortunately you're going to have to just bet the field, as he's not listed currently. 

19:08 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Hey by the way, quick stat for you Greg Newport in 2016 shot a perfect 18 during a PPA tournament in Richmond Virginia. 

19:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He shot a perfect 18. 

19:18 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Only four pro putters have ever reached this goal. 

19:20 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Newport hit a perfect game. 

19:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You want to know who also hit a perfect game, jimmy. 

19:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fasola minus 1,000 miscut. 

19:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Do you remember who I roasted last time when I did the World Putting League? The one guy, yeah, tony Varnador. He is also one of the guys that was shot in 18. 

19:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's at an 18? Yes, he's at an 18 under. Yes, wow. 

19:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's one of the Course record, Course record. I mean honestly I don't get it, because that guy was putting like spin on his putts. I've never seen that before in my life. 

19:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
How hard is it to hit 18 in a row? Hole in ones, I mean. What course is it? 

19:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know, I don't know the rules. Okay, so Nico Manu at this course, because they do the Masters here every year. These have been his scores. Okay for the masters 36, 44 over par 38, 38, 37, 37, 36, 33. He's getting better over time. Like the trend is getting better, he's probably going to shoot in and around par Are you going to break par? 

20:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I don't think so. I played Tiger Woods pop stroke over in somewhere in Florida Like the pop stroke course. Yeah, I believe it was all par twos as well. Some par threes got like didn't hit a single three, got all twos and a couple hole in once. Okay, the slopes of the hole like it slopes it into the hole. 

20:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was gonna say I don't know about tiger woods, pop strokes it slopes it into the hole like it's not. It's not, it's not a comparable they set up this it's funny I'm saying this, but like they set up this course to be difficult, to be challenging. 

21:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like pin placements, put the water in. 

21:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, but like they changed the carpet out, like recently as well, they moved, they removed the rock from a certain spot. Like it's not this is, it's a prestigious event. Like they want to make it more challenging. 

21:23 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right, we got to get some more odds up. So I'm going to make some calls here, but I think we got to get odds on. What I'm looking to do, to be honest, is I would love for, I'd love for pazola to two things to happen. I would love for him to either make the cut, go on a run and it's an epic story or I'd love for him to come dead last, shoot like a 53 and mulitter beats him by one stroke on the last and he comes dead last. There's no insult to Pozzola, I'm just saying for entertainment purposes. My first choice I would root for is for him to make the cut and go on a run. 

21:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I'm going to tell you this If I'm like three over through three, I'm going to withdraw from the tournament. 

22:03
No, you're not definitely imagine I did oh my ankle, I can't participate anymore. The first hole is a straight putt. Okay, it's a straight, it's one of those that goes like it goes down the you know, but it's straight. I'm gonna be fucking shaking like as I'm over that putt. The amount of pressure to just hit a straight putt and you have a second chance because if it misses the hole you can bounce it off the back at like the angle to get it in. So you got like a double chance, but it's a straight putt. 

22:37
I'll know like a lot about myself on on that if, if I hit that putt, man, like the tension will be. Like you've golfed with me. Another friend in the office, mark here, who I grew up with, went to high school with. We golf a ton and we've played sports together. We've played on bowling teams together. We've done a lot of competitive stuff together. I'm the guy that you do not want, in the pressure situation, like if I'm up there and I need to make the spare to win us like the bowling tournament, the spare ain't happening, like I can tell you right now it's not. I am that guy. So, like pressure filled situation, I'm not able to like convince myself that it's like it's going to be okay. You know like I do not want to shoot a 40 here, but I think the likelihood of like I'm for a 40 seems not even that bad. 

23:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like you're projected to shoot way over four, way over 40. Yeah, 40 is four over. Yeah, I'm just trying to look at the. He's realizing now he's looking to shoot a 51. 

23:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, I'm looking. 

23:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm looking at everyone in this tournament and their round averages okay, you think Pozzolo will hit over like you think he'll have one hole where he shoots like a five triple or a quad. 

23:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If it is, it's going to be hole number 17, which is a hole in one or a high score. It's an easy hole in one if you hit it in the right spot, but it's one of those holes where, if you miss it, it's going to come all the way back down and further than your original putt. So you basically need the hole-in-one, because I remember commentating that one last time you get tons of hole-in-ones but you also get some fives and sixes by people who just lose it on that hole. Varnador Varnador did not have a great round when I commentated on it. I'm sorry, tony Varnador, your fellow Paisano and everything, but that wasn't the best round. 

24:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
By the way, if anyone here thinks we're chirping, we're not, it's all love. We're just trying to make some good, entertaining content here, promote the league. 

24:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And to Nick well, it says Nick Manu Is his name Nico Manu or Nick Manu, nico Manu, nico Manu, and his average score at this course is 37.85. Okay, nico. 

24:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Go beat Pizzola. I'm going to be betting you 37.85 average score. 

24:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Lowest score 33. Highest 44. He's played 27 rounds there. Like that's a huge advantage. That's 27, Like tournament rounds. On top of that, these guys fly in and practice. 

25:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
A couple days early. 

25:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's only the highest Stroke average. In this event. There's only one person that has a higher average Than 38. That's only one. So like honestly, when you put into that perspective To miss the cut minus 500, like I'm going to try as hard as humanly possible. 

25:32 - Zack Phillips (Other)
What do you think the projected cut is? 

25:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's a good what's the cut line? 

25:36 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Sorry, we didn't even. I'll tell you what I think it is. 

25:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, but what, yeah? What was it last year? 

25:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Uh, this is a better field so I gotta go. So I'm you tell me if this is fair, but I'll just take the round average of the top 24 golfers right and I'll use that as the cut line okay, yeah sure sure, 36 and a half. So this is our 36. Par is going to be the cut line yeah so, like, this is what I'm saying, right? What's the likelihood that I'm going to go in there and I'm going to shoot this course at par? 

26:13 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I think you can shoot par rob. I mean, I don't want to see you fucking shaking, just to put everything that's it okay, minus 500 Minus 500. 

26:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're not going to put everything. It's an implied probability of 83.3%. Yeah that you all don't make the cut. It's got to be higher than that. It has to be higher than that. 

26:36 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So you're saying minus 500 is a good bet. 

26:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean listen, I've already given out minus 700s, I've lost minus 600s. 

26:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The integrity of this league is shot already. Pazola's fading himself. What are you talking? 

26:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
about. By the way, if you don't think I'm betting everything I can on myself for this event, you don't know me. Yeah, this guy's Pete Rose, pete Rose, I mean, this is not what I can't bet myself in the legal markets. 

27:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, Jared Cozart over here. 

27:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, jared, legal markets. Okay, jared kosart over here. Yeah, jared kosart, for anyone who remembers that, yes, I, I mean, I, I want, I'm, I'm competitive, like I want to, I want to do well I want to do. 

27:12 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Well, I want one market. I I will only put a request for one market to be added. I just want a market of one of feinberg pizzola molitor, ace, ace no, no, that's, it's more favored for one of you guys, minus 2,000. 

27:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I want to say what's just you to get an ace, for one of us to get an ace? Oh man, I think it's going to be way harder for you guys Zach. Just to put into perspective One of us is going to ace the first hole, zach, just to put into perspective this is a prop currently up up total hole in ones. 

27:48 - Zack Phillips (Other)
All four rounds, all participants over under 247 and a half. All four rounds, yeah, yeah, but these guys are only playing in one and those other people are pros. And we just heard like I know. 

27:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
But I'm saying like they're gonna get hole in ones. 

27:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like even when you golf you, you hit a hole in one, like yeah some of these are, like, extremely hard to get a hole in one mini putt, not in regular, but there's three holes for sure that are number one is a straight putt. Number 17 if you get the ball to the right level, it just filters into the hole like it's a. It's a lag putt, basically. 

28:14 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So I I mean, yeah, I guess I guess I misjudged that. 

28:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm confident in that now, if you want just pazola to hit an ace, or even over one and a half aces. 

28:23 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Guys, if I do not hit and make an ace, I mean I don't know if I should be guaranteed. 

28:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I will be let's get a Pozzola makes ace. We need that line, we need Pozzola makes an ace and we need Pozzola under zero and a half. So over under half an ace and over under one and a half aces. 

28:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know half. So over under half an ace and over under one and a half aces. You know what the worst part is, though. Again, I think the most aceable hole, or at least one of them, is the first one. So if I do not ace that hole, it's gonna be in his head I'm gonna have. So much pressure I'm gonna have. I just don't want to be the guy. There was one person last time. It eludes me who it was. I don't want to be the guy who hits the ball off the course, like if you do that, it happened it happened last time, lost ball. 

29:10
I don't even know what the rules are in that situation, but that was what point of entry, point of exit, I don't know. I'm looking forward to this. I'm very happy they invited me. Thank you to the world putting league. Anyone who wants to check it out, world putting leaguecom, most importantly, go over to the Hammer HQ YouTube channel. The video is already up. All you got to do is set a notification. We're going live Thursday morning, producer Zach with Alex Moreto. Johnny's going to be a part of that stream. We're going to have some other people surprise guests that are going to be a part of that stream and we're going for a few hours at minimum. So set notifications, subscribe to the Hammer HQ and take it easy on me in the comments. 

29:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We're going to be dinking and dunking some live wagers on. We're going to be dunking some pre-games. I'll be on there, try to join, maybe 10 am or so, and give out some pre-match bets 10.15. 10.15. Start. Is that time to give a couple of pre-matchers? It starts 10 41. Yeah, so 10 15 am. Thursday on the 20th 10 15 am. Event starts 10 30. You can join me live on the hammer hq. I'll be giving out some of my uh darts little uh couple of dinks, couple of dunks I'll tell you the pro that I'm the pro that I'm rooting for. 

30:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not supposed to have like rooting interests, you know? Like I know who it is joey graybiel, the great graybiel and and I'm rooting against john ace ventura. Yeah, purely because the last time he said that jim carrey stole ace ventura from him and he said it so seriously that I could not tell if it was a joke or not, but that obviously didn't happen. Wait, how do you know? It didn't happen. I don't know for sure. But, like, like, let's, let's put logic together here. 

30:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Listen, he could have. I guess he could have. 

30:58 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I guess he could have. So you're saying there's a chance. 

31:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So you're saying there's a chance, but that's uh, that's my rooting interest. But I will say I'm a value guy. Okay, so I I can compare odds event to event. The odds on Olivia Prokopova for this tournament are like, in my opinion, the best value odds, considering where she was in the last tournament, Like she didn't have a great event, but she typically flies out earlier than the other people to practice the course and I think she's like a good putter, very good putter. So she's probably the best bet Outside from if you're going offshore. Bobby Pizza against. 

31:40 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Jeff Feinberg and Andy Molitor I don't want to lose to Andy, I'll tell you right now my bets are going to be as follows Three ball winner and I'll give out some inside knowledge to everyone Rob's winning the three ball, molitor's out. He's not going to take it seriously. The guy's going to be absolutely yippity-yammered. After eight holes in. There's absolutely no way Molitoriter beats pizzolo. 

32:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Plus, from what I hear, he's already worse at golf than rob and jeff but he did send me a twitter dm of you know, like those long straight, we used to have one in the office like the putting mats he's practicing straight putts. 

32:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's nothing. That's nothing. 

32:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's just getting up to, not that if rob actually plays the course before and molliter doesn't play the course before sayonara I think wednesday night like we're probably gonna like me mulliter and jeff are gonna all be in town together, plus some people from the world putting league that have set up this event, who I've become friends with like we're probably gonna go out watch some nba playoffs, nhl playoffs, pop a few. Mulliter strikes me as a guy that might pop a few more than me. 

32:45 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yes, but he also strikes me as a guy who has a significantly more of a heavyweight than you and won't get hung over in the morning. 

32:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So what if I do? What if I just bring like a flask but I fill it with water and tell people, I'm drinking something else and they have to keep go shot for shot with me. You've never seen Charlielie mcdennis on. Uh, it's always sunny in philadelphia. Spoiler alert. But yeah, that's where I've got that idea from. Um, I could do that. Jeff doesn't strike me as a big drink like I. Jeff is um, like he drinks a lot during the chargers games but he drinks like a whole bottle of crown royal. 

33:18
I've been out with him. He gets mangled when the chargers like chargers jaguars. That guy probably was in an alcoholic coma. 

33:27 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
He's not going to be able to control his emotions on the course. Listen, if Jeff's got a four-footer to save a par and he misses that and he's got another four-footer, you know he's pumping that one too and he may even putt again. He's going to go off the rails. Pazola's calm, cool, collected. He's a safe and reserved kind of guy. He's a safe and reserved kind of putter. I've golfed with him. He might piss himself on a four footer but he's going to hit that on the way back. Either that or he's going to pick it up and say it's good, but he's going to do it. He's calm and he's composed. He's the only guy I know that tracks his strokes, gain, loss, putting already. So you got to think that he's going to probably send that over to Rufus beforehand and get a little model made. So I think in general Pizzola won in that three ball. It's currently mispriced. Pizzola got to be one, feinberg two and Mulliter at plus 200 has got to be an all-time sucker bet. 

34:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're basically getting Mulliter at even money. So let me throw this out there. No way, let me throw this out there. What price do you need where you auto bet, andy Molitor? 

34:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And you two are playing the course and he's not playing the course With everything you know, with all the info I currently have right now. We don't know if he's going to play, so he's coming in Wednesday night and you're going in Wednesday morning. 

34:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's coming in Wednesday. I think he said late afternoon. Okay, and when are you going in? I'm arriving Tuesday early afternoon. 

34:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
All right. So I would say, with that info given, so he's got to win the three ball plus 200. Obviously, it would be even throughout. Yeah, give me 700. 

35:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
700 and you'd fire auto bet 700 and I'll fire on Mulliter. So you think this is a bit badly mispriced. 

35:08 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, because he's not playing the course before. Honestly, it might even be higher than that. I'm starting to rethink the 700. Maybe you need an over plus a thousand. 

35:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You definitely can't get in as many rounds in that Like he might play it, but maybe me and Jeff play it two or three times. 

35:21 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
If you and jeff play it once and he plays at zero, then I would shift that number up. That's the assumption I'm going on right now. But there's a chance that he plays at one and you guys play at two but there's also a chance that we play at zero and he plays at one. 

35:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Knowing rob, he's not going to play at zero. I know it's honestly. Yeah, I will get out there once before I have to like. 

35:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Unless there's a weather delay or something, it's sunny every day. 

35:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, sunny every day, optimal temperatures every day. 

35:51 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'll do the american conversion but in fact, if you're, if you're betting right now and these numbers are still there, I would take feinberg plus 50 and rob pazola plus 75. 

36:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Wow wow, the ultimate slap in the face. Disrespect to Andy Mulligan. 

36:06 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It's not a disrespect to Andy. 

36:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's not playing the course, it's true. It's true it's going to be like 77 Fahrenheit, 25 Celsius every day, like same thing every day. There you go it should be a good event. 

36:16 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh, beautiful. Join in tune in Thursday morning. Obviously, you got to watch this event. Listen, guys. It's only about an hour and a half long in terms of the whole stream. Maybe two hours max, I don't know. No, no, no. 

36:26 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Longer but there will be that Rob and Feinberg could potentially be and Mahler could potentially be. Like hour, hour and a half yeah. 

36:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh sorry, you were assuming they would make the cut. 

36:38 - Zack Phillips (Other)
No, no, I'm saying the stream itself is going to be longer because we on the hammer are covering the rest like more golf, sorry we're gonna cover the rest but at a minimum, at a minimum. 

36:48 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Tune in for the two hours. You get my preview, give out some bets. You get moretto's bets, you get a few other surprise guests that are going to be coming in heavy betting on this event, and then on top of that, you're gonna get you're gonna watch rob pazola who's teeing off first uh, I have the, I have the threesomes but who? I'm saying who's teeing off? First of you, andy and jeff I actually don't. 

37:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's actually funny enough, seven o'clock tonight, monday night, there's like a rules zoom call. So I'm gonna be calling into it just to get like information. But that's probably one of the things I need to know okay interesting. So yeah, I would rather be the first to go. 

37:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Boom, give it to me first that's a disadvantage, but no, no, it's like penalty kicks in soccer man, whoever goes last, you get to see the line, the course yeah I I know, but it's the pressure I. 

37:39 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I have less pressure fair less pressure for me is an advantage. 

37:42 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Fair enough, all right. So, yeah, tune in. Uh, we, we get my bets, we get Moreto's bets, we get a couple of the people's bets. Everyone's going to fire in some bets. Some are going to be fading Rob, some are going to be backing Rob, which, again, based on the prices, who knows? I don't know where these lines are going to settle. 

38:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's obviously way more odds to come in the early. The first first group 10 30, the group before me, oh sorry, the group after me. They might. There might be some pace of play concerns. Who is it? No, I'm just saying, like you know. You know, on the at the masters they asked brooks kepka afterwards, like how was the pace of play? And patrick cantley was out before him, who's like? Notoriously a slow player. And he's like john. He's like john. Rom went to the washroom like seven times during our round and we were still held up like he's like. That's how slow it was. 

38:31 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
We put three amateurs together it's gonna be slower, but you know what? 

38:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I see what they did here already. It looks like there's more of a gap between the group after us. So I think they've accounted for that in the t times, because we're going off at 10 41, then the group after is 10 46, but the group after that's 10 49 so it looks like minus a thousand for pizzola's group to hold that pace of play yeah, but I, you know, I'm not. 

38:59
I'm not like a slow putter, no, but still. But. But when the pressure's on, I'm gonna want to make sure all right, see you all Thursday. 

39:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Uh, we've got something else for this week's episode. I'll let Rob bring it in here. 

39:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, so this weekend I made a tweet Lots of my tweets lead to conversations on this show, If you haven't figured it out already but specifically these this for you thing that that Twitter introduced a while back. It's very bad. I just want to see stuff that I'm following, but every once in a while my phone resets to this for you section and I pulled it up and I got a tiktok video that was posted to twitter and I made the mistake of watching this, and then I tweeted something along the lines of watching this, and then I tweeted something along the lines of I don't know, with each passing day we stray further from the Lord. I think that's exactly what I tweeted. 

39:53
By the way, I'm not a hardcore Catholic or anything anyways, but it's like that's just what came to mind, and Johnny has not seen this, but it really upset me and led to a conversation of like you know, why does this make you so angry? And this and that, and like Twitter debate per usual. First and foremost, I don't like when people misrepresent themselves. I think we've talked about this a million times before. Like sports betting industry is different from like the regular industry. Like if someone can't fix a car, for example, like you know that they can't fix a car right. If somebody says, oh yeah, I know I could, I could change a tire any day, and then you watch them change the tire, you can be like no, this guy obviously doesn't know how to change a tire. Fair enough, in the sports betting industry, because so many people lose in the long run, lots of people are not able to discern, like who's a winning better, who's a losing better, who's feeding them bullshit, who's not right. So that's why this kind of stuff triggers me. 

40:54
But I occasionally use TikTok because Amr betting network is a content business, so I like to see what's going on in the content space. Now, I'm not really in tune with a lot of the sports betting TikTok stuff, where I see most of that is just through Twitter, like that's where I get the most of it, and one of my passions on YouTube is watching reaction videos, something that I really like to do. So I, you know, I play the guitar, play guitar for my whole life. There's a big YouTuber out there named Steve Terryberry, canadian Ontario boy, that likes to watch different TikTok guitarists and like critique their play and stuff like that. I thought it would be interesting to have Zach put together a collection of videos which I have not seen, which Johnny has not seen, with the exception of one, and see what's going on in the sports betting TikTok space. 

41:52 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Right, now All right. 

41:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Let's do it up, zach, before this even starts. Yeah, does TikTok automatically pick what this is going to be, or do you set it? 

42:03 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I don't know Because Zach does this. You can set it Okay. 

42:06 - Clip 1 (Caller)
No, this is gonna be, or do you set it I? 

42:06 - Zack Phillips (Other)
don't know, cause Zach does this. You can change, you can set it, okay. No, this is the opening screen, so this is like the very first frame. I don't know what the-. 

42:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What the thumbnail is. Oh, this isn't his thumbnail. 

42:12 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, this is so funny, but this is probably his thumbnail. 

42:14 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Reality is. This is probably his thumbnail. 

42:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Look how many tickets it. Yeah, you know, he saw this. 

42:22 - Clip 2 (Caller)
All right, hit it up free pick cash is yet again easy, easy money. If you're not following me, I'm the number one free pick guy on tiktok. I watch all the games and study all the players so you don't have to celtics coast into another easy win. I'm about to hit this four teamer in the nba and win another 10 racks. I want you to be a part of my vip, so I released a one week vip special. Right there, it's 97. I've got a huge ufc play going down tonight and I don't want you to miss out on this this is the one that I saw and I commented on. 

42:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So, first of all, 10 racks. By the way, when you win 10 racks but you start selling those plays for 97, he also says I'm the number one free pick guy. 

43:08
Get my thing for 97 dollars yeah, yeah, and on top of that it's a. It's the classic, like I watch the game. For if you're, you know, like everything wrong with that, everything. I know somebody who's consuming this is probably watching the games themselves, like, why do they need this guy? I'm watching the games so that you don't have to, it's like, but I want to watch the games. 

43:28 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like it's like it's yeah, but he does sell himself as like this is how you make money. Like you want this money. Like he does all this stuff that a coach should do. Like seriously, it's a go. He's like he, I just cashed all this money he's got the money right there. And that's important, right, he's got the money all right there. Then he's like I watch all the games and you're like this guy doesn't watch all the games. He's got every sport on the TV. 

43:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's got the screens, he's in tune with what's going. Like when people are like Rob, why do you get obsessed with this stuff? Like just leave the guy alone, leave these guys alone. It's like because they're very good salespeople, right, the average, as sad as it is, like the demographic of this circles off channel. The vast majority of you will watch a video like this and be able to say, okay, like this guy is obviously like he's not winning. He's not winning. Maybe he is, but like you can tell that you're being sold something a lot of people cannot the cash in the hand, the games. Which day was this from? Winner? You're gonna check if sixers money line minus 360 is actually even a good price. 

44:43 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Absolutely I don't know. This is April 15. Okay, so two days ago, hold up, I got it. Pull up that stamp now, yeah, I got it. Sixers ML. I'm going to guess it wasn't a horrible price. Pinnacle closed at minus 381. So you would have been negative ev there versus penny midpoint, but um, best available at least in my region, you could have picked up a minus 333 I, I can honestly guess what that book is, just by you saying that price yeah, that makes sense without even without even knowing. 

45:19
Let's see what else. Yeah, I mean like listen that that number was there, it was. There's no clV on that, on that bad boy. 

45:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, nobody who's watching this? Even on TikTok even knows what the hell CLV is. 

45:30 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So all right, zach let's, let's hit the next one. So next one, I believe, rob, you've seen, oh, I love these ones. 

45:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Oh wait a minute. This was another. This was the guy that I wrote. It wasn't even the other guy. I had seen that other one that we just did, but this is the guy that I, that I tweeted. This was the one that actually sent me like I was. 

45:51 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I was crying watching this let's see it, okay, so yeah. So rob's seen this. On, johnny, I guess you haven't. 

45:57 - Clip 3 (Caller)
I haven't seen this, no fellas, the mlb is in full swing, so you know I had to come up with an over-under system to make us some money. Let let's get it so for this method. What you're going to do is you're going to take the last five games for each team. Take the total number of runs in the last five games, add them up and divide them by five. So for today, we get 10.6 runs on average for the Padres games and 10 runs on average for the last five Mets games. Now the over-under for tonight is set at 7.5, so we're looking at the over For this system. You want both teams to average over what the total is set for tonight. Now you don't want to stop there. Eight out of 10 of those games went over 7.5. See, only two of those did not. So that's 80 percent hit rate. Lastly, add the two starting pitchers eras, we get 8.15 locking. 

46:54 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Let's get it back that's the greatest video of all time. That one is a stretch man. I would. I would do that if I was making a jokes video, like if I was trying to make fun of like a tiktok video and I was like this is how you beat mlb mr over under. It would literally be something like that. That ending part we have to we have to next. What you're gonna do is sum the two eras, divide by 3.14159 and you're in. 

47:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually didn't even see that ending part. You know that I don't know if the Twitter video I watched only had up until the pitchers, but we have to clip. Wherever he says like that, lock it in thing at the end because he does it with so much energy, it's got to be like around right when the starting pitchers start. 

47:41 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Wait, go down. 

47:54 - Clip 3 (Caller)
I want to see like how he says the starting pitchers. 

47:55 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Okay, I go from here if you can, please thank you okay. Eight out of ten of those games went over 7.5. Pause this eight out of ten games went over 7.5, but literally the one team scored over 7.5 in every game except those two no, he's saying. 

48:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He's saying that's the combined score in the games. So like on the left side, 12, 5, 9. 

48:09 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, so basically the Mets had won that game 7-zip then and the Padres won 5-2 or shorter. Is that what he's saying? 

48:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know what the hell you're saying. No, no, no, no, no. Is that the? 

48:18 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
combined runs, or just the Padres Combined runs? Yeah, combined runs yeah. 

48:22 - Zack Phillips (Other)
So he's saying in the last five games for the Padres. 

48:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
the combined runs this is such a bad strategy. Well, I mean, first of all, I thought that, like I thought, obviously anyone with a brain knows that pitchers matter in baseball, right? So, like this is not telling you anything at all, you need to know what the actual total in the game was, like the pregame. If you want to, that also doesn't matter, it doesn't make a difference, is like press play. I need, I need to hear this. This lock in. 

48:50 - Clip 3 (Caller)
I really want to see. Only two of those did not. So that's 80 percent hit rate he gets really. Lastly, add the two starting pitchers eras, we get 8.15 lock in. Let's get it, let's make some money, you know. Also he's got the two pitchers eras. 

49:04 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like you got the two pitchers ERA. He's like you want the two pitchers ERA To be over the total, but like the pitchers ERA Is per inning, so, or it's per nine, right, so like you don't pitch the whole nine. 

49:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Correct, so like Bullpen factors yeah. 

49:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You're basically projected For. Okay, you Darvish and Max Scherzer, those those are both pitchers that would pitch a little deeper, but like they're going to go seven on average, so basically like that doesn't even make sense Cause you'd have a two extra inning buffer on that. 

49:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Not to mention if he says that those two pitchers add to an 8.15 ERA. If the total is seven and a half, like over minus one, 35 or something like that, that's not even an edge, like it's basically the equivalent of an 8.15. 

49:47 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So there's so much wrong, he's got max scherzer as like a 6.25 era. 

49:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Go look at the guy's career era. But you, I can't even start with this one. Like I watched this, I was sitting in my car watching this and I was howling. But you can see, like you, you see our reaction to it, zach's reaction to it. That was phenomenal. But there, I, that was phenomenal, but there I can totally picture someone sitting back and being like you know what. This makes a lot of sense. Remember? You remember, like I don't know, six months ago we did the reaction to the NBA live betting strategy. This kind of reminds me of the reaction to that NBA live strategy, zach, if we could link that one below. But that guy was like kind of going on stuff like this, it's like, oh yeah, you know, you add this, you add that, and then game of runs and this and that this one was was jokes though big time. 

50:33 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Next one how many of these? 

50:37 - Zack Phillips (Other)
we got. There's a few. They're not that long, okay. Okay, guys, preface this one. I gotta just tell you right off the bat I fucking hate this kid Like I genuinely Actually despise this kid. Like I don't care If you find, if he finds this or whatever, and you got a beef To pick with me over this, you can find me. This kid is fucking 17 years old. He's never placed a bet In his life Other than with his buddies there's no way. And all these videos that he's filming is in his parents' car when they go into the grocery store or when they fucking run out while he's on vacation with them. There's no chance. This guy is the biggest fucking clown I have ever seen. I actually despise this kid. I actually hate this kid. 

51:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's a lot of hate brewing here in circles off headquarters. You guys are going to see this. 

51:19 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Here you go. 

51:22 - Clip 4 (Caller)
If you don't have that drive in you to get the better line of the sports book, to be the best in the gym and to take someone else's bitch, someone's going to take your bitch, all right. So you need to get in your Jeep, rubicon. You need to get to the fucking gym, all right, and then you need to start labbing, because I don't care that we just had five winning days in a row. Today is Sunday and we need to make it fucking six. Let's go, boys. 

51:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, so I will say I can totally understand why this might— I don't like giving hate to people in that way but, also like this guy's obviously a complete fuck. 

51:57 - Zack Phillips (Other)
But, dude, there's more of this guy. Our friend—I got to say, like some of these— the reason I found this kid is because of our friend, detective Chuck. Oh yes, Chuck. Goldberg. Big fan of Chuck Goldberg, by the way, Chuck is a legend but like Chuck, will just post this guy and just be like I can't believe I missed this. 

52:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Chuck is great in the way that he tears these. Listen. There are people that might find this not in good taste. I have nothing personally Like I have no issues with this kid in specific. 

52:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I have issues with Don't show them to your wife, though. 

52:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, you never know, I have issues with this entire space in general and this short form content like this, because, again, this is like this is very clearly very bad, like in the sense that it's someone, it's salesy right, it's marketing. Is this him again? 

53:00 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Okay, here I'll just play this other one for you guys. 

53:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay sorry, it's him. No, no go If you have a girlfriend, if you have a girlfriend. 

53:07 - Clip 4 (Caller)
If you have a girlfriend, consider yourself single, because I made $6,000 in the last two days from sports betting and you guys just don't want the smoke. Simply, it's as simple as that. Right, I'm in my brand new Jeep Rubicon, I pull up. I just made $6,000 sports betting. I got cash sitting in the passenger seat. What are you going to do? You're going to pull up in your little Honda Civic. It's just not even a contest. 

53:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Bro a Jeep Rubicon is not a flex, bro. That's not a flex. 

53:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
A Jeep Rubicon is not a flex. What is this? 

53:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
kid doing man, Listen, I'm not going to. Also, he's got a Brady. 

53:39 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Bucks jersey, which honestly says a lot about a person. I will say that that says a lot about a person to be rocking a brady buccaneers jersey. Wait, is that brady? Or or is that mike evans? Uh, I can't tell me everything's reversed. 

53:52 - Zack Phillips (Other)
It's a three. It's a three. It's a it's okay sorry, that's mike evans. 

53:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I cancel what I said first I thought this was like he's sitting I I thought first I thought he was sitting in the passenger seat recording it, but it's just mirrored because the wheel is in front of him as well but that's what I'm saying. 

54:06 - Zack Phillips (Other)
His mom ran into the grocery store. He hopped in the driver's seat to take this video. He saw her coming back and went oh shit, I don't want to get in trouble and ran over to the other side. This is the money that he bought off of amazon. The sitting in that passenger seat is. He does quick flashback see like there's. 

54:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
there's part of me that respects the hustle and the grind, but then it's just like there's so many people who are going to I'm pretty sure you could lease a Rubicon for like 330 a month. 

54:39
Like you know what happens in situations like this. Right Me, Johnny Zach, our audience, we watch and we're like, obviously this kid is like he's a kid. He's a kid, is the point right. But then there's like some 16 year old who watch, 16 year old who watches this and he's like this guy's got money in the passenger seat and he's got his own car and it's, it's dangerous that's what I'm saying. 

54:59 - Zack Phillips (Other)
That's why, like I hate, like I don't like this is because it's just like. This is so full like, like this is not. 

55:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, it's all fake the other guys. It's not even going out and renting your own Ferrari or anything. 

55:10 - Zack Phillips (Other)
It's like literally sitting in your parents' car the other guys are just giving out like shitty strategies or whatever, or being like, oh, like Johnny said, like it's a good tout way to do it. This kid is just like there's no way, Like come on. 

55:22 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know what I mean this is no he does have the Jeep Rubicon because it's like again and I'm not trying to like belittle people- no, no, no, I just mean, I don't care. 

55:29
Brand new. That car is quite literally like a $38,000 car. I don't know the price of a Jeep. No, I just looked up end of 20, beginning of 2023. Picks up an old, 2022 bro. He's getting this. This is expensive, say he made 6 000 like. I don't even think he he may not even be lying it's so it's possible to make six thousand dollars. Yeah, I guess it's just the way he's going about is hilarious, man. 

55:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's so funny, it is the best way I could put it is it's junior vegas, dave vibes he's like you're gonna pull up in your honda civic your girl's gone. 

56:06
Yeah, it's like you know, vegas dave showing up to the lakers game and putting uh, you know, buying two seats and the seat next to me puts his man purse down on it and that's it. They're like you're like, holy shit, man. You know it's like trying to flex hard, but people who watch that are just laughing at how big of an idiot this guy is that he bought a seat for his fucking purse. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying. It's it's like too hard of a flex. Got this jeep rubicon over here. 

56:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
I'm gonna start saying that people you got. Hey, listen, I know the mileage on his car is largely irrelevant, as my friend rump is all the one said in one of the most all-time twitter spaces of all time no one doesn't exist, no one. 

56:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, some people know exactly what you're talking about, but the majority don't. But that, that'll be a story we tell another day in full, because it's just really sad such a good story. 

56:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Oh wait, you got any more of this kid. I actually would like to watch a couple more. 

56:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, zach's gonna have a stroke. 

56:55 - Zack Phillips (Other)
We need a producer the problem with this kid is not just necessarily like these video, like those two videos, specifically like those I picked out because, like, again, like chuck tweeted those outs and so those were the ones that I found on twitter to be able to pull up here, and it was like okay, like these are kind of funny to bring up here, especially when he's talking about like, if you have a girlfriend, no, you don't. Like, that is like all right, this is kind of funny, but like it's more, you go through his page and it's just like there's other people who are probably getting into betting, who are like, oh, I gotta pay for this kid's shit. And because, because I told rob, it's like even says things that are just like so wrong, where, like the one he was like cashed big last night, won a ton of money, picked up keys to my new penthouse this morning thanks to it, and like even rob said he's like who's your real estate agent getting you? 

57:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah, fully furnished penthouse the next morning like but, but but there's. 

57:48 - Zack Phillips (Other)
There's inherent danger in that right, like yeah, but it's like all of his videos like that. That's why I have such a b for this, because it's like every video is like that and you can see kids commenting being like oh shit, like till this painful exactly so much, so much of sports betting for younger people, and I'm like like I experienced this too. 

58:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's aspirational, right, like it's the dream of being rich and the dream of being like money, not being an object, like just being able to do whatever you want. And when you watch stuff like that, there could be a part of your brains like that you know this guy's full of shit. But there's also the part of your brain that goes, ah, shit. But there's also the part of your brain that goes, ah, maybe he's not and maybe I should be betting and maybe I I can do this for myself, and it leads to all sorts of issues yeah, that's like more I'm. 

58:33 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yeah, I just don't want other people to like fall into that yeah, I think it's dangerous. 

58:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Is there a chance we'll be watching anything any good? 

58:39 - Zack Phillips (Other)
yes, there's one that's good and it's more like a constructional, like a constructive one, I think, like where it's more like a constructive one, I think, where it's probably a little premature for the person who posted it Got it, but maybe they're on the right track. 

58:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, I'm interested. 

58:52 - Zack Phillips (Other)
This one isn't as much like roast the guy. This is more just the message he's sending, and it came across. 

58:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, I'm interested in this one yeah. 

59:03 - Clip 5 (Caller)
Too many people are trying to get their rush off of sports betting. You're doing it wrong, guys. I'm telling you right now, if you are here to get your adrenaline going, if you're here to get your kicks, if you're here to get your blood pressure up, you're doing it wrong. What are you here for? 

59:17 - Zack Phillips (Other)
you're here to make money too many I just wanted to know, like, how you guys felt about the message. And well, I, first of all, I can't get over the I don't. 

59:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know I know what you did last summer. Music in the background, like who selected this? 

59:30 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
it's like the most ominous eerie this guy's in a hardware garage he's this bro, he's filming this from home depot a showroom home depot. No, I, I, I kind of agree with that. I mean, I, I preach that all the time. I don't gamble to have fun. I, I literally don't gamble at the casino because I just can't stand placing a bet and knowing that my bet is like, as soon as I put the chips on the table and put them down, my bet's worth like $2 less than 100. 

59:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Full screen this guy a little bit more, because I do you not think that this guy looks a little bit like Dave Portnoy? Or am I out to lunch? 

01:00:08 - Zack Phillips (Other)
I don't know A little bit. 

01:00:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Maybe it's to. Maybe when I first saw the image, I thought it was going to be Dave Portnoy's voice. I don't know why I thought that, and it caught me a little bit off guard at the beginning. Then, coupled with the music, I honestly didn't hear most of what he said what he said. 

01:00:25 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So hold up the reason I agree with this. And then I disagree, actually on this one with chuck in his tweet there where he says if you read his tweet up, it says couldn't be more wrong in my opinion. If someone wants to bet 20 on a game to have fun, who cares? Not everyone wants to be a professional gambler, pal. So here's where I actually disagree with chuck here and agree with this buddy is I've said it before gambling itself is actually not fun. 

01:00:43
Nobody has ever and and people will lie to you and say that they have, but they haven't no one will ever lose a thousand bucks and then be like oh, I had fun. No, you didn't have fun, you had a shit time. You lost a thousand bucks. Your fun comes from the chance of winning a thousand and from winning a thousand. So, as I mentioned before, winning at gambling is super fun. Losing at gambling sucks. No one ever had fun doing that. If they said they had fun doing it, they lied, they didn't have fun. We've all been through the feeling Psychologically, literally your hard-earned money that you made you lost it. There's nothing fun or good about that. 

01:01:17
Now, with that being said, obviously you can play gambling and expect to lose money in the long run and use that as entertainment. I think that is something that is fine. But in like what he's saying here is like stop searching for a high off sports betting. Like, yeah, try to win your bets. It's like the fun, he's, it's. It seems a little bit weird, but it's actually kind of true. It's like the fun in sports betting is winning your bets. So if you try to win your bets, that's the fun of sports betting. 

01:01:47
The fun is not ah, fuck it, I'll throw this in, like I'm just going to throw away this money. That's literally not fun and it's not sustainable and it doesn't help you win in the long term. If you're actually trying to win your bets, trying to improve, trying to do something different every time, eventually you may not. You may never get to a point where you win, but at least when you did, you might lose 100 today, win 98. Tomorrow. Lose 100. The next day, win 98. And over the course of the year you lost a couple hundred bucks. But at least that is the fun part. Just dunking away money is not fun. 

01:02:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So this has been a constant debate on gambling Twitter for a long time, and I think a lot of the more recreational content creators say things along the lines of like just leave me alone. Like we're just trying to have some fun here. Like a lot of them, right, and I'm not I don't actually want to single people out, but like that's the constant rebuttal, right. It's like dude, what's your problem? Like we're just trying to have some fun, but there's no onus. Or like no taking responsibility for the fact that there's going to be people out there that don't receive that message and cannot receive that message. And especially when the content creator sells themselves as being a pro or winning or tracking bets on a platform that lets you literally delete your bets or move them into a subset of bets that don't count towards your record, right, like there's a lot of misleading stuff out there. I'm in agreement with you. 

01:03:22
I think where I disagree is that a lot of people might have some actual fun in the process of the bet playing out, but the final result of the loss is not fun. It's not entertaining. People are the common, you know, and, as someone who's gone through this in my life, the common thought at the end is like why did I just do that to myself? I just wasted this amount of time doing either handicapping. The game shouldn't have listened to this. It messes with your psyche a lot, right? So I think this is actually a good message for the average person, because there are people who can get the high of sports betting and not let it become a problem, but the vast majority are incapable. As sad as it sounds, it's very addictive. 

01:04:14
Yeah. 

01:04:15 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And you can get caught up in a really bad stance if you start just trying to gamble every day and then win back and chase and you don't have any strategy or self-discipline. It's why we always talk about gambling responsibly, like. The main thing that I tell people who are gambling is use it as something that is a fun thing. And that's where I agree with chuck is like, if you want to, you want to bet 20 bucks. Bet 20 bucks. Never bet more than you can actually afford. You should never be betting, starting off and just betting a grand on something. It's ridiculous, like for you to be betting a grand. You best have a like, you best have a hundred grand like and I'm not saying that at the higher levels, that's like the correct staking or anything like that. But just from a regular person who's coming in if you're betting a grand like, figure out your regular stuff first your, your food, your housing, your education, your job, all that shit first, like for sure. And even if you do have an edge, don't bet a grand, right. But then, when it comes to like the small stuff we said it before like you, your your movie ticket is 15 bucks, no one complains about that. But when you're betting on the maple leaves to win a playoff game tomorrow, yep, and you're line shopping. 

01:05:19
Your, your expected value, negative, is like a buck or two on a hundred dollar wager. 

01:05:23
So every time you could bet a hundred bucks and only be down a buck if you sim it across a multiple of games so realistically, like, the best way to have fun sports betting is to stay in the game longer and, yes, even though you may lose long term, it's fine. But if you're playing on like a pinnacle, for example, versus a another book that has twice the hold, that just saved you twice as much, like, as long as you're doing those things like and and he's right when he says like, stop searching for the high off betting like most people, if you look at the spot right now they're in. It's like all I play is like six dollar plays to hit a thousand, six dollar parlay to win a thousand. It's like the the negative ev on that six dollars is literally three dollars. So they're betting $6 and of that six, three is gone off the rip, whereas they could literally bet $100. And as long as they flat bet that regular, they'd only lose a buck every time. Yep, high review. 

01:06:16
In terms of expected value, like chasing the high and stuff like that just keeps you out of the game. And people are like oh, I'm only betting six bucks, whatever, it's only six bucks. I'm only betting six bucks, whatever, it's only six bucks, but you're just you're losing so much more. It's like don't stop doing that. 

01:06:26 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Yep. 

01:06:26 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah. 

01:06:27 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Just wanted to see where you guys are at on the try to bet. 

01:06:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
So when that's all I'm saying. 

01:06:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Try to bet to win, or try to bet knowing that you're going to have fun, but with a bet that can win like 30 second video with horrible background music in a horrible setting, but honestly I could do an hour episode on that one video alone, because I think there's a much broader discussion to be had about that one. 

01:06:53 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Okay, next, this one is I got you, bro. 

01:06:59 - Clip 1 (Caller)
I'll talk to you later. Hey, we just got some valuable information on a big play today. If you're going gonna win in this business, you gotta have context on the inside. This is directly from the sports books. I want you guys to slam and I mean slam the tampa bay race today. Hit us up after hit us in the dm, grab a package and start making money consistently betting on sports. Let's go. 

01:07:22 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
B-dub nation this is the kind of stuff that drives me fuck so, wait, I got a story about this guy. 

01:07:29 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
You know that you've seen this guy before. I talked to him over an instagram call years ago from the bet stamp account, because I was like, hey, you want to sell your picks on bet stamp. And he was like interested in partnering with us and selling his picks on bet stamp. And I called him and he's like, basically the whole thing he was asking me like okay, but I'm going to upload, I'm going to like pre-upload this record that I have of like being up 200 units. I'm like, no, just start fresh. And then like, go from there. He's like, well, what, if I'm down a little, people are not going to buy the package. I'm like, yeah, well then it is what it is. Like you got to be fair with it. 

01:07:59
And basically, like he started, I basically what happened was he never ended up selling his pick package because I wouldn't remove all of his losing plays and show it that he was up 200 units. And he's like, well, I'm never going to get any sales like that. And I'm like, well then, do you deserve the sales? And he was basically just a massive, massive like fraudster in terms of that was actually just trying to do that Big time losing better, definitely. In terms of that was actually just trying to do that big time losing better. Definitely does well on the pick sales, makes a lot of money. But yeah, I had a call with that guy like two years ago it was. It was discreet. I was disgusted after, like I was like, oh, come on, like you can't be doing this man Just like, post a real record. You're just trying to. You're literally just trying. You're telling me you want to do that. You're not even hiding it. 

01:08:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I would say that this is honestly one of the easiest ways to mislead, like inside information. But I'm not talking about like the Twitter bots that reply to you, like bet365, sit fix game and this and that Look how much money we won yesterday. But for anyone who pretends that they have access to information that others don't, it's pretty easy for someone to fall for that. Now, where this guy is clearly a dumb, better is he got off the phone with the sports books who are giving him the information. I'm going to tell you how it works. For those out there that don't understand why this makes no sense is if the sports books are the last to learn of the information. Right, bryce Young perfect example today. Right, bryce Young got bet from minus 200 to be the first overall pick to minus 1000 today. 

01:09:40
Why did the sports books move that? Because people bet it. The information circulates around bettors before it gets to the books. By the time it's gotten to the book, it's been priced into the market already. So if you're taking a phone call at a bar yeah, yeah, I got the information straight from the sports book it's like that's already priced into the. If you got it from the sports book, it's been priced in. If you got it from someone else, it's a different story. But again, the average person is unable to discern that. 

01:10:14 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
No, anyone but I'm telling you, like that guy specifically, like he's just willingly open to me, he, he does I'm pretty sure he does well on the pick sales, like he's one of the guys who's pretty big on instagram and I know he's paying for a lot of advertising and it's it's coming through for him and he's getting a lot of sales. But yeah, it's just sad, is what it is. It's a little sad and it's you know there's, it is what it is Well, this is my point, right. 

01:10:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like it's like where do you draw the line, right? Like people are like, oh, leave me alone, man, I'm just trying to build up my brand, I'm trying to build my following and whatever and whatever. And it's like, okay, but like that is going to come at the expense of others. Like, have some self-respect. Have some self-respect. You don't have to convince people that you are something that you're not in order to build your brand. Now, granted, it's a very easy way to build a brand. Look at the people who are the biggest out there, have the biggest followings in sports betting, on youtube. I'm not going to name names youtube, tiktok, instagram. The people with the biggest followings are not the best bettors, they're the best marketers, right, and that's sad. That's really sad. 

01:11:29
We appreciate the growth, like we appreciate everyone who supported us, honestly, the last three weeks, we had our biggest episode ever, which was a Q&A. The first part of our Q&A was our biggest episode ever. The interview with Barry Horse was one of our biggest interviews ever. We appreciate all the support that we get here because, honestly, we keep it real. Been very upfront From the beginning. I run a content company. Johnny owns Betstamp. 

01:11:58
We obviously want to make money we're not lying to people but we also want to do it in a way, transparent With what our motivations are and helping people, and we can do both. 

01:12:12
You don't have to be a complete, absolute piece of shit scumbag in order to make money. Now, granted, people like this are gonna make a ton and it's really sad because there's a lot of people who can't discern from that. And if he can go to bed at night and sleep knowing that people are gonna follow him and pour money into his picks that have absolutely no edge and will lose in the long run, then fine, this person is capable of doing that. But I think the onus is on everyone to spread the word about these people and educate your friends on what they should avoid. And, honestly, it is a plug for this podcast, but we've done 99 episodes. Some of them are just audio only, but we have covered this topic many times and if your friends don't understand or they don't believe you, oftentimes you can use a piece of media to justify your opinion and say just have a listen to this, have a listen to these guys, break it down, and I'm sure that that would help, but this is the type of stuff that really bothers me. 

01:13:17 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Yeah, and in in business, I think, uh, like, there's definitely ways to make, like, let's say, you have a follower, a follower base, or like you can monetize that follower base as a celebrity or an influencer and you can do it in a way where you just provide value to them and it's a win-win. And that's what we try to do at BetStamp as well. It's like you know, we are able to make money, but also we provide a great service to the community and the people who use the app and they're able to use that as either entertainment, track their picks, manage their bets, shop lines, whatever it is that someone may use the app for as multiple ways. It's like a win-win. They are happy to be on the app. And when it comes to like Business, where you're promising other people to be able to do stuff like make money, then it's a slippery slope. 

01:14:03
It's like this guy's whole thing, it's not. Oh, hey, I'm gonna give you entertainment value, I'm gonna give you something that you can use or a subscription to something and again, I'm just listing anything he might even he could even be like, yeah, I'm selling an alcohol brand, like the rock or something, or like any of these guys like they're giving value, like yeah, this is my alcohol brand, this is it. It's a good alcohol, that's a good tequila that I like, buy it. And people might buy it. Maybe it's a little bit overpriced but they're happy to drink that one because it's a good tequila that they like Rock's happy. He monetizes it's a win-win. 

01:14:32
This guy's basically saying you do this, you make a ton of money. You do this, you make a lot of money and literally you will not make a lot of money. So that, in my opinion, is like a big, big no-no. And if he were to be saying like making content of videos and stuff and be like this is how I cap the games and you can watch it with me and all this and like this how it is, maybe that's how you justify it to pay for his subscription. But like I don't know, that guy specifically is a little bit, he grinds my gears a lot because he specifically says in his thing like I want you to put a lot of money on this, I know it's even worse. 

01:15:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's bad enough that he knows that he's he's getting people to bet as much as they can on top, Irresponsibly. 

01:15:11 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
And they're not only going to lose the money that they paid him, but they're also going to lose a lot more from betting, which is crazy. 

01:15:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is dream land. Dream world Would never happen. But in a perfect world, as regulation happens across North America, if you want to operate in that market, state or province, you have to apply for a license. You that market, state or province, you have to apply for a license. You need to be granted a license from the regulators in that state or province gaming commission or whatever. I honestly think that the pick selling industry should have the exact same regulation. I think you should be required to be verified by an independent third-party tracking platform that has real-time odds in order to sell picks. It should be a requirement. It is honestly one of the most dangerous industries on the entire planet. 

01:16:00 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Like, think about it, like, obviously you have it's too much money to books for that to be a thing, though. 

01:16:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I mean, listen again, it's impractical. Perfect world, I get the money aspect, like. You don't have to tell me about the impracticality of it. Part of the reason that regulation is happening across North America is so that the governments can profit off of it. Right, it's okay. Instead of this money going offshore or being bet in the illegals underground space, let's control this space, let's, let's control this, let's supplement, you know, let's take the tax money, so on and so forth. So this wouldn't happen for the reasons that you mentioned. 

01:16:41
But really, like, and I understand, there are terrible, terrible, you know, industries out there. There's, arms dealing there's. You know, I didn't want to get into a lot of the shit that goes on in the world arms dealing there's. You know, I didn't want to get into a lot of the shit that goes on in the world, which sad. But this is right up there, like the, especially the messaging on this. Exactly like you said, it is right up there with some of the worst possible messages you can deliver. I'm, I'm, I. Honestly, if you think that's an exaggeration, that's fine. I strongly believe that because until you go through a situation in life where you have no money, you're completely in debt because you've been misled. I don't know that you're necessarily in a position to say that and I've gone through that luckily luckily at a very small scale because I was young, but it is miserable and messages like that are horrible. 

01:17:43 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Okay, next one, last one. This is the one I think could possibly have some constructive. 

01:17:50 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
The one before that was good when the guy's just like stop chasing me. All of this is good. Good when the guys just like stopped chasing. 

01:17:53 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
All of this is good, all of this is worth talking about. 

01:17:56 - Zack Phillips (Other)
Let's see this one, and then I got to run. 

01:17:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, last one here. I love this Genius sports betting strategy. I don't know where this is going to go, man, I don't know it's on a cent to me. Okay. 

01:18:07 - Clip 6 (Caller)
Okay. So I think I just had a genius idea. So I think I just had a genius idea. So, as you guys may or may not know, here at Cyclone Sports we have betting models for pretty much every major sport and it gives us kind of an edge on which games to bet on and which games to not bet on. So now, a really popular bet for baseball is will there be a run scored in the first inning? This bet may seem simple at the surface, but you get down to it and it's pretty much a 50-50 bet. But that's where this bad boy comes in. So, using first inning hitting stats and first inning pitching stats by starting pitchers this season, I have created a model that predicts if there will be a run scored in the first inning of the games. 

01:18:45
Now, I literally just finished this today. I've tested it or done anything to it. I have no clue if this is going to work at all, but I'll give you guys the picks just for the fuck of it. So here's the first slate of the games you guys can just read, pause it, read them. And then here's the later games. I mean, I guess we'll ride them together and see if it works. 

01:19:05 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
Let's go, okay, mad respects. 

01:19:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So I like this much better, right, because, like, obviously this is illustrating the process that he's come up with to come up with his plays, but specifically, like I don't know if this is going to win or not, I might, I would venture a guess that it's probably a no. But like this is not just me trying to shame anyone. It's hard to beat sports in general, and especially like your first time modeling something you haven't tested this. 

01:19:32 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
It won't work because he said he only used the first run, native from this year. 

01:19:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But other than that, Right, but he's giving you the ammunition, or like he's giving you all the info of like this is how I built it. And then he also specifically says like I haven't tested this, you know, I don't know if this is going to win or not. Probably could have left out the last message of like bet it with me and we'll see, but this is more along the lines of content that I think is generally acceptable. He's obviously trying to build up his own brand, people following him, but this is way more digestible than a lot of the other stuff that we've seen so far yeah, respect for that. 

01:20:10 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
That's a fine, perfectly fine video. I like that a lot. And then the fact that he says like I'll just, I'm just gonna give out the pics of this and like we'll see. It's like he's not selling you and again, I know money is just a portion of selling you because he is like if he does go on a heater now, he's gonna have a big following for it and there's dangers there and whatnot. But he's positioned and he's like listen, I built this thing, I put some work into this. Here. It is essentially. It's kind of like a thing of like oh, if you guys want to bet this, here you go, if you don't want, there you go, and there's nothing wrong with that I'd love to revisit this guy. 

01:20:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If we do this, like a few months down the road, I'd like to see some of the videos he posts after this, because that's the telling tale. Right, he goes on a heater, though, or if he goes cold, like if the model does terribly does he own it every day and be like you know? Here are the picks from the model. It's been horrible over the last month, but you know, do what you want with it, but I, honestly, I don't have any issues with that. I think that's like a good one minute video. Obviously, the guy's trying to take some sort of mathematical approach to betting sports. Will it work? Probably not, but he's being very open with the audience and saying like this is what I've done and I haven't tested it's. It's basically like do what you want with it, and that's not necessarily a sales pitch, like you don't know what the motivations are, but it's not. It's not too salesy, which I like. Uh, I think that's a good piece of content. Good one minute piece of content, honestly all right, we'll close on that. 

01:21:35 - Johnny Capo (Co-host)
This has been episode 99 of the circles off sports betting podcast here on the hammer betting network presented by pinnacle sportsbook. Sign up if you're in ontario. Um, and last reminder this thursday, last reminder this Thursday me, moreto, zach, special guests. We're going to watch live as Rob tries to make the cut and we're going to be smashing some bets and, by the way, we're going to be trying to win. We're not going to be trying to just like, oh, let's dunk around some money. We're going to be looking at what we really truly think we have an edge on and we're going to be firing some bets. See you guys, then.